Quick RNAV Approach Tutorial - FS2020 - TBM 930
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- This is short but informative video on how to shoot a RNAV Approach in the TBM930. Check timestamps for quick navigation! I'm still unsure about what is wrong with the GP (Glide Path) but found a way to correct it! Hopefully it will work the first time for you! Let me know if you have any questions!
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Intro - 0:00
Cockpit Setup - 0:40
Important Approach Info - 2:28
Crusin! - 3:43
Activating Approach Mode - 5:30
Approach Issues!? - 6:20
Intercepting the GP - 9:03
Landing - 11:22
Thanks for watching! Hope this helps! Fly Safe!
Look at the plate, the glide path intercept was at the final approach fix JAKOR at 1600
That’s why the pink diamond wasn’t coming in at the IAF earlier on. The game wasn’t being finicky. It was dead accurate.
Also, if you wanted to fly the approach correctly, you need to cross SILKY at or above 3000 MSL not 2700.
Other than that, great video.
Excellent format with clear concise explanations. Really appreciate your time and effort to produce and share these tutorials. Thank you so much.
You're very welcome!
It's actually a good thing the rnav didn't work first time around as this has taught us more than you initially intended.
At the end of the day it's double the tutorial you set out to create....
Nemysis Retro Gaming well said!
Agree
Is it not something to do with the glidepath activating only after passing the last waypoint ? Struggling myself with this at the moment but your video helped a lot, thanks very much.
Been looking for exactly this all weekend, best vid by far, thanks!
One thing to note is on the approach plate, when the altitude has a line under it such as 4000 at FLOZY, that's the minimum altitude you can be at that fix. For SILKY, you don't want to be lower than 3000 and so on. If the plate has 2 numbers on top of each other such as 8000 on top of 6000 with a line above 8000 and a line below 6000, that means you have to be between those 2 altitudes.
From some of the tuts I have watched, many said you can't capture GS, until 2000 feet, and that is where you captured it. Great video though. I learned something new Thanks !!
I really enjoy your videos. They are very informative for those of us that have spent all of our time VFR and wanted something new to learn. Great job and keep up the good work!!
Thank you for the thoughtful comment! Let me know if there is anything else that you'd like to see or learn!
Thanks Diggy for this tutorial and the ILS one, great stuff, liked and dropped you a Sub. keep up the great work.
Thank you! Let me know if there is anything else you'd like to see!
Clear and concise with a typical problem in MS FS2020 RNAV and, if I recall correctly, even the ILS approaches.
Thanks Diggy. Awesome job!!!
Thank you! I learned something today.
Nice quick tutorial! I have similar issues with RNAV at most MSFS airports. Hopefully one day it will be fixed...
Thanks for the RNAV tutorial. I like your style easy to understand despite the issues with the current release, keep them coming ;)
Thank you! I'm a real pilot but I remember when I played my first sim and I couldn't find any help that was simple and easy to understand! I'm here to make the sim world easy for everyone and hopefully spark some interest to become a real pilot! I still have no idea why I didn't intercept the GP from the start, but I was able to get back to it and I figured that I'd post it anyone to show how to fix it for anyone else who might have the same problem!
If you have any thoughts on what you'd like to see next, please let me know! I do a lot of steaming and use VATSIM so might post a full length flight but in the meantime I'm looking for some more tutorials to post!
@@DiggyPowell How about a healthy engine start and what to do if you have a hot/cold start?
@@bray8949 I have a video of a cold start and flight planning in the TBM! Let me know if there's more you'd like to see!
Did you try to capture the GP at the FAF or earlier?. Looks like you were trying to intercept glide path at IF or earlier. You set up to intercept at the faf only. And do not ever dip below the published altitudes as they are their to protect you from obstacles. Other than that good video.
Hey, what's the FAF btw?
@@thirdbluesbrother32 FAF is the Final Approach Fix. It's the WP on an approach, and the one which you would intercept vertical guidance, such as the glide path for rnav, LPV, V-DEV, or Glide Slope on an ILS appr.
@@Chase1399Aviation thanks!
it amazes me how all these guys, seem to figure things out on the fly and avoid a catastrophe! When I try something out for the first time, the worst case scenarios occur such as the "bouncing plane" phenomena when plane slams into the terrain.
Super good presentation
Normally, autopilots only like to capture the glide slope from below. Your initial approach altitude must be established as indicated on the approach plate for the IAF (initial approach fix). The initial approach fix will have you beneath the glide slope.
I don’t know if it’s fully modeled correctly in MSFS, but RNAV approaches normally use the VNAV function, not the APR function.
A couple things: This is not a glideslope. This is a glidepath generated by the Garmin FMS. Big difference. The video maker flies it like an ILS approach (way below minimums with the autopilot on) but it is not the same thing.
You are also wrong about the VNAV comment. Older planes without integrated approach navigation in their FMS may use VNAV, but nowadays many of them couple the APR function to the FMS glidepath.
@@graytaylor353 I would agree with you if we were talking about an actual aircraft with real Garmin systems. However, we are discussing a flight simulation and an RNAV / autopilot system several steps below reality. My comments pertained to the simulation.
thanks bro , very helpful
very astute and informative. great work!
Johnny Cakez thank you! Let me know what else you’d like to see!
@@DiggyPowell I'd like some breakdowns similar to your first video of the more complex planes - flight planning > cold start procedures >using autopilot etc.
@@johnnycakez2750 For sure! If you'd like any specific aircraft, let me know! I'll do a manual flight planning video here soon!
Probably should start learning these and take a break from stressing on ILS, although I will say I watched your video on how to do a ILS landing and it seems to make MORE SENSE than the others ive seen so I shall give it a shot.
I believe you would not be capturing the glidepath outside of the FAF at Jakor. The Glideslope indictor was pegged as you were way above the 1600 FAF intercept altitude and miles away from FAF.
I have watched many tutorials so far but yours are the best. Short, focus on the subject, understandabe, easy to follow. Based on your videos I'm able to fly a full route with the TBM from cold&dark to full stop, use ILS and RNAV. It is a big deal to me, because I fly in VR and it is a bit harder to control the plane. Please create more tutorials :) And Thank You!
So great to hear that my videos are helping. When I first started playing flight sims I wasn't able to understand the lingo and the tutorials because I wasn't a real pilot. These videos are made for younger/newer sim pilots to be short and simple. Let me know what else you'd like to see!
@@DiggyPowell Ok, could you please explain in a video how VFR / VOR to VOR navigation works? When I fly a VOR route I only get turning points but no live ATC, I just arrive to the airport but no glidepath or something, no ATC to guide. When I play IFR there is everything I need (speed, flight level, atc). I just use the built-in departure/arrival options in the game, and when I choose VFR there are no other options like transition or something. So how could I generate a VFR flight path to have detailed arrival and like IFR? I hope you understand what is my question :)
Yeah correct me if I'm wrong but on the approach plate the "lightning bolt" @ 1600 ft was the indication that the radio signal wouldn't intercept until then, so that's why the diamond didn't move until JAKOR.
Yeah reviewing my charts you were to be at or above 4,000, 3,000 and then 1,600 because the plate has the line below the altitude. If the line was above that means at or below. Just some basics for next time. I went to fltplan.com and got the general chart .pdf for free and it had a 19 page document on how to read charts and plates.
Good job dude thanks.
I find this game fascinating, I have learned more IFR technology in this game, I personally prefer to use ILS with LOC and GS as a opposed to RNAV and a GP as sometimes the sim bugs out and uses a different approach profile for some reason but otherwise this game is fun to play, im not a real pilot but just like learning about planes in my spare time
A little buggy at launch, but overall a good experience. The systems they are trying to simulate are pretty complex in the real world, where they have dedicated resources just for that function (ILS, GPS, engine management, etc. all have their own dedicated processors and antennas on a real airplane) so trying to emulate all of those on a single resource source that isn't specifically made to do it is pretty impressive. Until they tune it up, though, it's a good time for novice pilots/simmers to learn how the procedures work by doing things manually and hands on before you just sit back and let the computer do it for you. It'll make you better in the long run when you have a better understanding of what is actually happening in front of you.
Thanks. Great job.
thanks nice vide and presentation as others have said. I was about to ask you for a Rnav when you dropped one in, and the reason is just what happens to you happens to me, sometimes works and sometimes not, but i liked you fix to get it to work. I like RNav as you can fly into some very interesting place at altitude , Queenstown in NZ as a nice example and hundreds of others, One again thanks and the sound was great as well.
Peter Buhler RNAV is a great option for not only assisting you get into those tricky placers or bad weather but is offered at also every airport!
I just did Queenstown yesterday or the day before. I did it IFR under VFR conditions. Lucky it was VFR too, ATC tried to fly me right into the side of a mountain on approach to RWY 5 (I think it was 5, the approach that brings you in across the lake and you make that dog right just before touchdown). Beautiful (and a little tricky) Queenstown was. 👍
James Hall always double check your flight route and follow arrivals into the approach If there is terrain near by. In take atc is really bad at the moment
@@DiggyPowell I do always chose an approach that brings me around and lines me up with the correct runway, but what I DIDN'T do and WILL do from now on, is take a look at the VFR maps to see all the altitudes of the surrounding terrain. 👌👍 If it would've been cloudy, nighttime, or both, I'd be a grease spot on the side of that mountain. 😄🤣😂
doe the vnv (vertical nav) have any functionality modeled?
I'm not sure if it's all working consistently in msfs. Only yesterday I was trying to do a LOC landing with B350 and the diamond column wouldn't appear at all. So although I kept following approach published minima, my GP announciator remained white and it never established the glide path. I had to land it by hand
According to the approach plate you intercept the glide path at 1600 ft and you were above 1600 which the diamond showed you.
In FS2020 I sometimes get a missed RNAV approach where APR mode does not capture the GS and it seems to occur if ATC assigns an approach altitude above 2500ft. I wonder if, in this video the pilot needs to reset the altimeter at the beginning?
Awesome. Very helpful. Thanks
love flying this plane. how did you program reverse throttle. what yoke do you use. i have the logitech pro yoke and someone told me to program the Z key. thank you
I found in XPlane, sometimes RNAV wouldn't kick in on GPath until the FAF. Depended on the airport, sometimes, as well, or quirks thereof. It would rarely be the fault of the plane
if it didn't. And ILS sometimes engages a bit early, if done right, and you're not too high and too far out from final (or too wide of an angle). But performance can vary widely due to all sorts of factors,
including how sound the nav. data you're using in whichever sim you're running, is.
Glad to see you having trouble also with the AP approach. If the real world AP worked as well as MFSF, we would have a lot of dead pilots....
Amazing Video and short easy explanations! GREAT! But one question, do the airport need to support the ils?
No, airports don't have to support ILS. Most commercial airports and airliners use ILS, but most general aviation pilots and smaller airports use RNAV.
Hi ! Does anybody had problem getting the sim freezed using the TBM when scrolling down the flight plan on the MFD ? Thanks ! I appreciate your help how this can be fixed. I had two flight lost due to this.
I thought it was just me having issues with this. It works about half the time and was driving me nuts because I kept thinking I was doing something wrong.
That's exactly why I made this video! I was expecting it to work first time with no issues but I was able to follow the plate until it worked!
Ditto! Did the same at another field and the GP wouldn’t capture. Not sure if it captures at a certain distance but a possible bug.
gracias muy bueno el tuto!!
When I try to land rnav plane keeps landing along the runway,not on the runway. Does anyone know what am I doing wrong?
Could your speed have been to high? If you notice on your speed bar there is a purple target range. You didn't pick up the glide slope until your speed fell into the purple zone.
Great video thank you. Is 85 the best glide speed? In the DA40 below 80 gets you stalling in approach. What do you think?
73Kts its best glide for a DA40 in real life, at least the versions I fly. The stall speed is in the mid 50s with approach flaps. As for FS2020, I'm not too sure
@@DiggyPowell Seems to be a stall bug in MSFS. Faster landings than I'm used to.
Thanks for the video. But.... where do you get those approach plates? I try on Skyvector, but I cannot find anything.....
Check out my Flight Planning video!
ok now i know why i like ils approach better
The game is fine. The GP can’t be captured until JAKOR. Look closely at approach plate
This is nice when auto pilot works, lol, like 90% of my flights so far these past few days it doesn't, ether it goes straight north completely ignoring autopilot or keeps trying to send me across ocean when i load into the game. i finally realized that it seems to be when you select an arrival/departure on main menu with a GPS navigation that it messes AP all up. but if you just load into game from a parking space or whatever and not select any arrival destination,, then plug it into the system once you power on the aircraft it works just fine, haven't had it bug out once doing this method. I really hope that upcoming patch resolves the main menu setup messing up the AP in game.
I haven't had any issues with the autopilot besides catching the GP during the RNAV. To fix that I just intercepted the GP at the final approach fix.
My flight plans don't load if I start with a custom approach. I tried this very approach to KMCO and I had a blank flight plan.
@@fuguf1sh If you go into the PROC (procedures) menu, then you can choose the approach you want, then click load and activate.
I watched your ILS tutorial and followed along and got it to work. I tried RNAV with a random flight I was on with no destination, and could not get the glideslope to work. I'm pretty sure it was bugged. I made sure alt hold mode was off, everything was off except approach mode, autopilot, and yaw damper. I entered in the runway and rnav approach I wanted while in flight and it did fly the route correctly with approach mode as far as heading, but I couldn't get it to take control of the altitude. I pitched the attitude to get it to intercept the glideslope, but it just kept wanting to pitch up like it was on altitude hold mode or FLC mode. I double checked that those were off and eventually just had to turn autopilot off and land manually. It was a terrible landing, I landed like 3000-4000 feet from the start of the runway at KLAX. I had to brake because some guy pulled onto the runway in his 747 in front of me and I would have hit him otherwise.
Sounds like quite the mess and a good time to practice go arounds! Maybe I’m reading incorrectly but it’s sounds like you were trying to fight
the auto pilot with the yoke. If you watched, I used vertical speed mode to get me down to a specific altitude and I held that altitude until it capture the glide path! You actually want alt hold mode on while your intercepting the GP/GS, assuming the slope is above your current altitude
@Diggy Powell The green dot was at the bottom of the altitude indicator so I think I was above where it wanted me to be. I tried to go lower and AP was fighting me trying to go higher even though ALT, VS, and FLC were all off. I tried VS mode, but it was going to take too long. I should have gone around, but I actually entered the approach way points at 3300 feet as opposed to the 3700 feet you were supposed to enter at, but the green dot was still at the bottom of the altitude indicator.
@@penndiehl5172 I'm trying to get across that if you're on autopilot, do not touch the yoke! Use the autopilot features to get you down to your desired altitude. The issue you're having was not your fault though. The RNAV is messed up at the moment unfortunatly.
I don't know how you managed to start in the air and enter an approach - and it showed on up the flight plan and on the vfr map. I just can't load the approach....nothing happens. Is this a bug?
I don't recommend starting in the air, a lot happens at once. Check out my flight planning video for more info on how to load into the FMS/MFD.
Can you tell me why my i lost oil pressure while flying a tbm 930 from kden to kgjt, all was fine 1/2 way thru flight plan and then my engine started dying
Your fuel tank mixture was on manual and you need to set it to automatic unless you want to switch it from left to right every 10 minutes.
You must come into the glide slope from below! If you're above the glide slope, of course the diamond will be down at the bottom.
the reason the glide slope indicator was so far down was you were above glide slope. it was working as intended
No dude, it's a bug... He already was at 2,700ft, you really think a RNAV fix would be so close to the ground, even though he didn't even reach the IAF/IF?
@@LeetKrew090 Well 3000 was the alt for the waypoint. The GS is only the last part from the last WP to the ground. At least this is how it's with ILS. So maybe it worked like intended here. - But is there a way to let the AP tune the altitude to the WPs? I know how to do in a A320 (alt managed mode), but do we have something like this here?
But still a great Tutorial as I never used RNAV and now I don't know why I always used ILS, as it it way more complicated.
@@cmdrsabre In case of an Rnav Approach, it's called the Glidepath, instead of Glideslope in ILS terms. Normally though, the GP should be shown as 'being too low' i.e the Diamond should be at the top. And as you get to your Initial fix, it should slowly come down and capute the GP.
The AP normally tunes in the Altitudes automatically for the Rnav Approach (or in General you can put in altitudes in your Garmin3000 in this case and VNAV should follow those) but VNAV is broken/Inop at the moment :|
@@LeetKrew090 seems to be fixed with yesterday update. diamond is now correct but GP will still trigger automatic altitude with the last WP, before that you still have to tune this manually, AP ignores my FMS settings for this.
so the plane will adjust the altitude on rnav as long as it hits the glidepath. what happened to me on a flight, the plane was not losing altitude so i turned off ap and landed manually. i will have to try this again.
You have to follow the specific approach plate and sometimes load in the altitudes manually for it to follow. Otherwise, manually use the AP to get you down to the Final Approach Fix (FAF) published altitude. Once crossing the FAF at the correct altitude and approach mode is armed then you should intercept the glide path. Good luck!
What do you think about ground effect in this game? Every plane seems "easy" to land compared to XPlane11
I'm not sure how ground effect is modeled in fs2020 but I can definitely feel more of a float when coming into land!
Are ILS and RNAV the only ways that you can land with autopilot in this game? Or are there other types of autopilot landing systems?
There are many different ones! The two I recommended are the ILS and if they don’t have that the RNAV(GPS). The other approaches I’ll list aren’t as precise and or don’t have vertical guidance: LOC only, RNAV(RNP), VOR DME, etc!
@@DiggyPowell Do all or the vast majority of airports (say ones with concrete or bituminous runways) support RNAV? It seems ILS may only be at the larger airports?
@@penndiehl5172 The majority of airports will support RNAV. ILS is usually only at the larger of airports with heavy traffic or large aircraft.
Nice video. Where did you get the RNAV chart?
Skyvector.com - Check out my flight planning video
Thank you.
Great video, you fixed the audio, too. Nice!
Thank you!
A year later and the sim is still cranky flying RNAV approaches on the 930 and probably other aircraft too.
if you are doing a longer flight, when do you activate and load approach.
Let's suppose you are halfway to your destination and you want to load an approach. You only want to load. Not activate. You don't want to cancel the current route. But, if you very close to your destination and you're ready to get on the approach. That would be an appropriate time to load and activate. Don't forget you can always load first then activate later in the Flight Plan section of the MFD. Hope this helps!
Why are you not using VNAV during the approach? I’ve used in earlier sims and seem to work in conjunction with APR mode.
I can't get it to work in fs2020! let me know if you can.
From what I’m getting it’s not working properly. I hope it’s in the next update. I should be a fixable issue after all it works well in FS9
What is your hardware ?
Trying to understand the FMS, it seems you have the start fix at 34ft so the next fix at 3000, i believe the fms will try to average the climb from the first fix to the next fix but wont reach 3000, hence the glide path was below, but you managed to intercept it in the second fix.
That's my best guess on how it worked. Am i right?
Mauricio Moura the last fix is the closest one to the airport. You should be able to capture the glide slope at the first or second fix. There is currently a bug at the moment! My advice is to make sure you get down the the last approach fix alt before you reach the fix
@@DiggyPowell Thanks for the reply. Indeed there is a bug. i can confirm. Tried RNAV in a few flights and was only able to capture at the last fix, all others the GS is below.
This'll probably sound confusing, but I pushed a random button by mistake the other day and it activated these waypoints, these gate like waypoints that guided me to landing and told me either "too fast" or "too slow", would you happen to know anything about that?
No idea how you did that! Was that in the TBM?
@@DiggyPowell It was a plane, I know that much xD
@@cryo9shadow91 It's an assistance setting of some kind - game setting rather than a plane one. but can't remember where what it is. It's useful for practicing hand flown ones tho.
Soon as i'm done installing the update, I'll go look and see where it was :)
It's under Options >> Assistance >> Nav Aids : "Landing Path"
There might be a way to toggle in game during flight, but you can turn it off in settings.
You are wrong saying it's ok to decend below 3000 ft prior to SILKY. The chart says 3000 is your lowest safe altitude so you are no longer IFR protected if you drop below that altitude at that point.
This video was posted before the bugs were fixed regarding RNAV/GPS approaches. It would only capture "at or below" FAF posted altitude and the purpose of the video is to help newer simmers who aren't real pilots, intercept the glide path when it wasn't working properly.
how do you start in the air can you show us how to do that thank you
pito_ _253 just place a waypoint!
I haven't had much luck with ATC, i was doing a test flight from cape may new jersey to atlantic city and ATC from ACY kept telling me to go 015 degrees at i think 3000 feet, and i kept asking for next vector and it just kept telling me keep going 015, i ended up half way up the state before i gave up. i think it was going to send me to the north pole. AP issues and ATP issues pretty annoying but i do hope Microsoft fixes these issues soon.
I would suggest not using in-game ATC at the moment. Not only is it not realistic but it makes you do wild things!
Excelente.
I think the Inertial Separator is not working and therefor a placebo at this point because the sim is not modeling engine damage from debris and I don't think it models ice accumulation inside the engine either. I've done nearly all my takeoffs, landings, and even flown through icing conditions many times with the Inertial Separator off and nothing unusual happened.
I Can Has KPop the IS does not have any damage modeled but it does have a large effect on engine performance. Cruise at 99% TRQ then turn on the IS and watch the TRQ drop around 20%
Your video has potential, and I thank you for making it, however you do it a little too fast, and for some of us beginners, we are thirsty for tutorials that are a little more friendly, a little slower, and please zoom in more so that we can see what you are pressing, don’t take me wrong, I really appreciate your video, It just needs a little more finesse, in advance thank you!
Thank you! This is the feedback I need! Thanks for putting it in a positive way as well!
Agreed. Maybe doing it a bit slower for those that want to try for the first time :)
So if RNAV works with glide slope as long as you leave it on GPS? Man, I've been mostly trying to find airports with ILS to capture the GS because I thought RNAV was just azimuth. So what's the difference between say ILS 7L and GS/Loc 7L?
There is no such thing as GS/Loc approach (this would just be an ILS), you may be thinking of ILS/Loc approach which basically just means you can do an ILS approach or localizer approach (no vertical guidance). Usually a localizer is chosen over an ILS because the glide slope radio is broken. For RNAV there will be a glide path as long as it is an LPV (localizer performance with vertical guidance) or an LNAV/VNAV approach. You can see in the minimums on an approach plate if it has it. If you do an RNAV approach that is only LNAV then you will have no vertical guidance and have to manually calculate the descent rate (GS/2 and add a 0 is the rule of thumb). Also quick note, glide path is for RNAV and glide slope is for ILS (not significant but might as well mention it lol). Hope this helps and sorry for the essay!
@@larrydingus2967 What's the difference between ILS and LOC then? Some airports have both listed, but the freqs are usually the same.
@@ZorinInc the ILS system consists of a localizer signal and a glide slope signal (both the same frequency). A LOC approach is simply the ILS approach but without the glideslope (it may be broken or the plane may not have a glideslope receiver) so you only get lateral guidance and no vertical guidance. Both use the same radio, just one has a glideslope and one doesn't. Its separated because an ILS is a precision approach but a localizer approach is a non-precision appraoch.
@@larrydingus2967 Thanks, that makes sense. Funny thing is, I was a Navy AT on F-18's, so I can tell you everything about COM's and RADALT. ILS and INS were AE's systems. They probably all should've been AT systems. 😆😂🤣
@@ZorinInc yeah I mean its pretty much all just radios, but it makes your job easier not having to worry about more things 😂 and thanks for your service 🇺🇲
How did you manage to pull out the approach chart ?
Martin Paley skyvector.com is how view all the info I need while playing!
@@DiggyPowell But I saw you have it in-game @2:43
Martin Paley PROC (procedure button) to load the approach and flight plan to look at the current plan!
@@martinpaley9314 He just overlaid it in the video. You can't actually pull it up in-game. Just use a second monitor/laptop/phone etc! :)
In my opinion the game doing ILS approach instead of selected RNAV approach, thats why the glidepath(slope) capturing on so low level
That Daher usually catches around 1600 feet for me. Also the rnav is hit or miss. I use ILS LOC in that plane
The Formula Fitness ILS is working the best at the moment. If you follow the approach plate, you usually capture the glide path at the final approach fix
Diggy Powell yup I literally did an ILS approach into KJFK onto 04L. Pretty dope flying over the Hudson right into the runway !
The Formula Fitness nice work! Let me know what else you’d like to see?
How do you know which transition to choose?
Really just prior knowledge beforehand. Or just choose the one that makes the most sense for your intended flight route!
I'm not a pilot, but it seems to me that the plane wouldn't descend automatically unless you activate VNV.
VNAV is inoperative on the TBM 930 in this game.
last notch of flaps is always at or around 500AGL
i think it was good it didn't work because it teaches us what to do and watch out for. so i am new to rnav, unlike ILS, i see you did not have to dial a localizer. am i correct?
You are correct. ILS is all frequency based while all other approaches are GPS based
Can you do a go around procedure?
For sure, are you be referring to a missed approach for an ILS?
Remember, GS is a narrow vertically oriented radio beam.
keys displaying the approach plate please?
It was done during video editing haha. It is not a part of the game. You'll have to pull it up on a second monitor or phone.
So I guess fly VNV to IAF then hit APPR?
Why would one choose ILS over RNAV?
ILS is ground based navigation so it can be more accurate, while RNAV is GPS. In real life, I always take the ILS if the airport has one, otherwise I’ll take the RNAV
This is the first video of yours I've watched. Liked and Subscribed.
I really like your calm, concise manner of explaining. There's another guy that explains things well but man he talks like he works with kids all day. "Tippy top," and "teensy weensy," type words - and with a touch of the kind of voice people sometimes use with children. It shouldn't bother me but it does and that distracts from learning lol.
So thanks for talking like an adult.
Haha! My goal here is to help aspiring pilots and simmers learn the basics in a simple way. I am a private pilot and working on my instrument rating IRL. I'm not here to share the exact nitty-gritty of every complex task. I'm trying to make it simple and easy to understand.
You most likely activated vectors to final instead of the full approach thus vnav only activating at 1600 ft
That not really an option in FS2020 at the moment.
Dude, your frame-rate looked brutal, was that just the video or were you like getting 20 FPS lol. hope not but looked like 15-20FPS
Sometime it'll just drop when landing in ultra settings while recording.
is it just my pc or did your sim run absolutely horrible when you recorded this? it is stuttering insanely bad at what appears to be very low framerate.
The video shouldn't be stuttering but I recorded this first month of release date when FPS issues were very bad
Im not certain you actually did anything wrong! Ive just checked the Jepp APPR plate and the FAF (Final approach fix) is at JAKOR @1600'. From there its a standard 3 degree glide to the minimums. So, 1600' for glide intercept was correct. Dont forget its not, technically, a glideslope. Theres no ground based equipment. Nice video though
I was hoping to intercept the glide path before the final approach fix but it all worked out in the end by manually following the plate until it captured the GP. I did say Glide Path for most of the video but might have slipped into saying glide slope later on.
@@DiggyPowell Yeh, Im pretty certain that the FAS starts inside the FAF i.e. the lateral and verticle guidance part of the APPR. Prior to the FAF you will decend normally, but can obviously use a 3 degree flight path angle, to get you to the FAF. The APPR will then take you down to the threshold. One way to be certain of this would be to fly at 3000' with the approach armed and then try it again at say 1000' and see what the outcome is. The Jeppesen charts are a great help if you can get hold of them too ;)
Nicholas Birt thanks!
VNV and get it earlier it would make it work
Fs2020 is the most expensive beta I've ever been part of
Haha true, work in progress!
so you don't play Star Citizen?
Rnav sucks in this simulator right now lol. Also flaps and gear must be set before hitting your rnav fix.
Wanna do this in the Airbus?
An ILS approach would make more sense in the A320! An ILS is the only "Precision Approach" and all the airliners have LOC buttons specifically for the ILS Localizer. But if you'd like to see that I'm happy to do so. I'm more of a Boeing guy though ;)
@@DiggyPowell I know the ILS approach in the airbus. But I want to fly into places that lack the ILS infrastructure.
For example I have been practicing the approach into Cuzco Peru (Machu Pichu). It is a very beautiful approach through a valley in the Andies. This airport only has RNAV and VORDME available.
I also would normally prefer Boeing as it is the American company out of the two... but that planes instruments have been very buggy for me.
@@inadaizz Gotcha! I'll see what I can do! I'll be over on twitch later and might test it out first there if you'd like to stop by.
@@DiggyPowell Link Twitch plez and I will follow.
Looked for it on your YT page. /* I am comp sci student too =D */
It still doesnt work .
Try to get down to the FAF and it should work but I haven't tested it in a while.
The glide path doesn't get tuned on an RNAV. It's all GPS magic. I am also not sure why the GP was below you. When you went down to 1600 you caught it. I also didn't see APPR show up on the PFD anywhere near the HSI. IRL, the GPS goes into approach mode 2.0 NM from the FAF and APPR appears letting you know the sensitivity has increased.. If that doesn't happen, then you can't shoot the GPS approach. That's nothing you did, but I'm guessing that didn't get programmed into the sim.
Also, I uploaded a localizer approach to minumums video just now. ASOS said 9 miles vis but it turned out to be a mile. Pretty cool how the weather changed in 15 minutes in the game from a passing rain shower.
The RNAV approach definitely has a few bugs to work out in the sim but I appreciate all of the info!
@@DiggyPowell This sim has so many bugs The Orkin Man won't even play it.
But my view is that if you want to play the sim for strictly realism then FS2020 is not for you. I’m enjoying the realism as much as possible but I’m enjoying helping the people who’d rather play it more as a game rather than a true to life simulation!
@@DiggyPowell Me too. It has faults but it is still good at what it does. Even full motion sims we train in at Flight Safety and other training centers aren't perfect and have flaws.
When the glide slope indicator is below, that means you are too high bro. Its working fine
I understand that and as you saw, I followed the approach plate perfectly. There is no GS on a RNAV approach but rather Glide Path - GPS aided. Even through I intercepted the GP at the final approach fix, I should have seen the GP indicating correctly before the final approach fix.
well...seems RNAV is a bit buggy...so as in life...
ILS is a better option at the moment!
You totally fooled me with pulling up that approach plate. At first I thought there was something about FS2020 that I didn't know about. I finally realized it was a video edit.
Wouldn't it be cool if you could do that for real in FS2020? There's no reason they couldn't. They could just get the plate from skyvector.com, flightaware.com, or airnav.com and show it just like you did. That would be very useful.
Wayne, I have Navigraph Charts and you can pull the plates up and it will show your plane ON the the plate as a moving map.
Freaking crappy RNAV throughout on FS2020 sucks big hairy beanbags. Especially after an hour plus flight.
At least ILS works, but not all airports have ILS.
Never Never Ever descend below the stated altitude to intercept the glidepath if you have to do that something is wrong. Go missed approach consult the approach plate confirm the data on the FMS agrees with the plate! The Plate always wins.
Prior to Commencing approach review approach plate and confirm with FMS data is in agreement during the approach briefing.
Your advice to say go down to 2700 feet if totally wrong and bad advice, real pilots may watch your technique and think it is acceptable it is not.
It Dangerous.
Thanks for the input! I fully understand the procedures, my goal with these tutorials is to help newer people get an idea of how these different things work. I was testing the RNAV approach on multiple different airports and runways but I noticed the GP is bugged until the final approach fix. My goal with the 2700ft was to test if the GP would appear above me at my first fix. It is still bugged at this moment in time. I did say that you should be at the altitude stated in the plate but I dropped for demonstration purposes.
Diggy Powell what you say does Not matter it is your actions that people remember! Suggestion learn how to properly fly the various types of approaches. Practice them then record a video when you have mastered and perfected the skills and understanding of flying the approach.
There are bugs in FS2020 that still need to be worked out, but creating your own procedures to over come the problem is not a responsible thing to do. Because there many wannabe real pilots that want to learn to fly and do it correctly. As good as your videos are sending the wrong information is bad.
@@DiggyPowell I agree with @TheFalconJetDriver, you gave incorrect instruction. I am guessing you are not a real IFR rated pilot. The approach plates are not for personal interpretation. You actually violated the approach a number of areas. You should not even have descended below 4,000 ft until passing FLOZY. Then you are only allowed to descend to 3000 ft until SILKY. The altitude restrictions are there for safety reasons. The GP being buggy is not an acceptable excuse for you to misguide people.
your framerate needs work
Agent Cooper this video I was made 4 patches ago. Frames are much better now and running ultra everything while recording isn’t easy on the GPU