Real Thunderbird F-16 Pilot SHOCKED by First Virtual Reality Dogfight | DCS
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I think it’s right shift -P for the pilot to show 🤷🏾🙏🏾
I'm putting my request here, so it's easy to see, I would love to see more matches, contemporary opposition airframes obviously... one question though, is it possible to do PvP in that simulation? Or is there too much opportunity for lag to ruin the experience?
Great. Enjoyed it... Keep it up with DCS. Simply the best!
You're not that old, so why are you permanently grounded? You should still be in the military flying jets.
I have been noticing many young people go on youtube telling people, they no longer fly, but they are still young people. I don't get it, and I am confused by that. 🤷♀
@@TwstedTV do you understand the requirements to be a pilot? if you did youd get it...
When an actual pilot is forgetting hes not in a real jet, you know its good. Hes even doing anti G strain breathing just out of pure muscle memory.
Yeah that floored me. He didn’t even realize he did it.
I couldn't tell if it was the game hint that the virtual pilot was going to experience G-strain or it was him with his training kicking in.
@@orlock20 It probably is, his vision in game starts to greyscale so his mind just kicks right into it! super cool to see.
Yeah I was about to say that. 😂
@@Jeremiah-f8hsame. That completely sold the experience for me. I wish I could see his reaction when he played it back and realized what he did. His body was just trying to stay alive, the way it was trained to do.
You can tell he’s is super immersed!
At 1:34 , 6:31 , 8:06 and several other points he actually uses high G breathing technique!
I’m sure force of habit when your sensory system is registering the situation as “real” .
It was cool to see his reflexes kick during those moments out of habit.
I just commented something of this effect good catch friend
thats so funny
😂yea I noticed.
I knew he would do the high G breathing, but when he actually did I was delighted.
The biggest thing I noticed when I first started in VR in 2016 was how you didn't need the zoom anymore, since the FOV is correct in the cockpit. In 2D everything outside the cockpit is like twice as far for some reason. You will also noticed in AAR you have depth perception now, like when you were talking about how you had a feel with the water now. Love how your instincts are kicking in, you are tightening up and want to start to do the hics in a pull, lol. I remember when Casmo first tried VR in a F-18 and when he went to look behind him he tried to grab the canopy handle.
yes! The FOV feels so much more natural good call
Not _'for some reason'_ but for obvious geometry. The screen does not occupy all of your field of view, so you have to choose a balance between viewing angle and object angular size. You can calculate exact FOV setting to get real-scale angular sizes with any online FOV calculator based on your screen diagonal and distance to it.
@@ShadeAKAhayateK, nerd. Charisma; zero.
@@rocketassistedgoat1079 Damn.
@@rocketassistedgoat1079 its ok hes smarter than you are 😂. Your feels got hurt 😮. Let go of your ego..EGO... have a better day
I love it how he’s instinctively doing a ‘hicks’ then he remembers it’s a sim, no real g-forces 😂
Muscle memory 💪
I have the Quest 3 also. The first time I went into DCS after I got it running, I jumped into a cold F/A 18. Was absolutely BLOWN AWAY. First thing I did was REACH OUT WITH MY HAND and try to flip a switch. Seconding thing I did was call myself a "Dumba**"
One tip I'd give you. Get the USB C cable to connect your headset to your computer. It will help extend your flight time by mitigating your battery draw (It won't keep it charged, but it will slow down the draw on it because you're not on WIFI so it doesn't have to broadcast, and it will TRY to provide some power back into the headset), and a direct connection is MUCH faster than a wireless WIFI connection
If you have a power delivery capable port, it should completely charge it.
Yeah and Virtual Desktop I feel does a better job than link
I got a wifi6e router in the same room. Stable 2401mbps wireles
it usually does charge mine at the same time when i plug it into my pc, i think your wire just needs enough power to keep it charged while its playing
6:07 you can enable the pilot model by pressing Shift + P (may need to press a few times)
VR really takes it to an entirely different level. I got into it like 6 years ago and I haven't played a sim on a monitor since. And the crazy part is that VR is still improving significantly all the time. Soon, hand tracking will be so good that interacting with the cockpit will feel totally natural. It's a fun time to be alive.
thats it i can only imagine 10 years from now!!
Vtol vr is probably the best for cockpit interaction we currently have.
@@paro2210 Agreed. I started with VTOL to get familiar with the basics before moving over to DCS. That's what got me thinking about the hand tracking. It'll get there and probably sooner than we think.
@@angryginger791 if DCS can get to that, with the detail it has, the immersion will be insane.
My buddy Scott always made fun of me for accidentally g straining when I got into VR. I'm glad I'm not the only one that had to get used to not doing that.
What do/did you drive?
Not fair on Scott's part, honestly. You might be able to tell him you're not in the plane when asked, but that jar of meat on top of your neck doesn't know you're not in a plane fighting for your life once you have another reality strapped to your eyes
@@MAXIMUMF You're dense enough to think that only fighter jets can pull 9 G's. Not so cute. Instead of making a friend you just run around the internet trying to call people out without knowing that you too, can experience the thrill of getting into an aircraft that's aerobatic without ever signing up for the Air Force.
6:30 damn, I didn't think you'd end up actually G straining LOL
yeah I want to try to integrate that into my videos to remind people of that whole different dimension, can't fully replicate it (YET LOL) but it's such a factor that I would feel weird not expressing it.
@@MaxAfterburnerusaTry active belts like TensionR or the upcoming TensionR Pro from PTActuator. It adds compression adding to the G effect.
They just need to sell centrifuges commercially.
It's easy to forget that IRL, dogfighting is as much a physical fight as it is about tactics and technology. In the sim, we are only really limited by the aircraft's capabilities, so every pilot has the same limits. In the real world, you could have the better aircraft but end up getting shot down because the other pilot had better fitness and G training.
@@strikkflypilot927imagine the belts fail and crush you to death yikes
I noticed a difference when you tried this in VR. Sounds like your military training crept out more in this one for sure. A testament to how immersive VR in DCS is.
RIGHT SHIFT +P to show pilot model for that extra immersion =p
been waiting for your VR vid!
not for F16
Stoked to see you trying VR. If you have the computing power, hard to beat the experience.
Definitely! good call
I am a bit behind on computing power. Only a 7 chip with a nvida 970 and only 16 megs of memory. I do have a couple of terabit ssds. I probably need to upgrade. I had the first gen oculus
@@MaxAfterburnerusa You should try to find a "Saitek X65" ( don't confuse with a X56) It has a force sensing joystick akin to the f-16 and can be modified to have a little bit of flex to suit the feel you had in your original aircraft.
VR is incredible. Our $20 million dollar full motion simulators are mostly obsolete with a $400 headset.
Thank God they aren’t legal, ha ha
I wouldn’t say obsolete, the motion simulators give a very different feel even to VR but I see your point it’s definitely making it easier and cheaper to train people
@@RuralProgressive IMO, VR is >90% of the way to a full motion sim. It's better for immersion, but worse for interacting with physical controls. I'd personally go for a real cockpit trainer for learning buttons and systems and VR for learning to fly the plane itself. It's that good...IMO.
As an aviation fanatic this was absolutely precious watching him have this much fun. He was so into it!
Really amazing how we get to see a real pilot play a game. Respect.
I can tell it's realistic AF, since you involuntarily started to G strain a few times from just visual cues.
Its just so good how you tell the details cuz u lived this. Like when you said "look at the whispies that means he has some actual energy" I woulda just never thought of that. Great senses man.
There's something about watching a VR feed of a trained fighter pilot that makes DCS look a thousand times more intense. The pro sim streamers are great to watch but this was on another level.
Glad to hear!
I liked how you prepare the breath as if you were actually pulling a G-force.
muscle memory.
Yeah I heard that too 😆
You know it's good when the fighter pilot does his hick technique
When I was watching your videos before I always thought "when will this guy go VR". Finally. Haha.
Max! My son (22) has been bugging to get this setup. The addiction is real. Didn’t think this would take the edge off… judging by your reaction it might?! Still think about and miss it daily. Why doesn’t everyone? Cheers
Been waiting a long time for you to take the plunge into VR. You can't go back now!
What an awesome & cool freaking video, was fun just watching along with you during the fights with your commentating.
It's funny to see your left-hand action. You've been there.
You can see your legs if you toggle show pilot. New feature in last patch i believe.
okay sweeeeet thx
Indeed. I felt it was more impersive with legs.
R shift + P
Since the last patch? It’s been there longer than you think.
Technically its not Zuck you're thanking, its Palmer Lucky, as FB bought his VR company Oculus and that was how FB got into the VR headset game! Now that he's left Facebook, Palmer actually runs a defense company called Anduril, that is trying to compete with the major military contractors!
Either way, that visor is a walmart toy compared to Proxima. Can't wait until the true VR innovators finally release full FOV 16mpx visors. Will never leave the house lol..
@@super266the tech is there but what PC is supposed to power the graphics?
@@popajedilive3631 Simple: a CERN supercomputer with three hundred RTX4090 cards. No biggie.
btw, the knob for the brightness of the JHMCs is functional in DCS world. If you turn that up you should have a working helmet mounted display for locking enemies and those high off boresight shots..
For sure! JHMCS is so beautiful. I think I was just so distracted with how awesome VR is to remember to turn it on LOL
@@MaxAfterburnerusajust remember you can set which eye it renders in under the special settings. You may prefer to change the eye if your left-dominant, or you can run with both eyes.
You’ll also need to be cognisant of what eye your VR is recording if y you start running with it :)
SUPER awesome seeing your first time reaction to the VR. I felt the same way, but without the memories like you. Truly incredible.
I would strongly encourage you to check out Falcon 4 BMS. Falcon 4 is THE original F-16 Viper simulation from a couple decades ago. After Microprose "ended," a dev leaked the source code to modders. Thus, the BMS team has kept the sim up and improved it. It now even has VR. It is considered as or even MORE accurate than DCS, which only models the F-16C Block 50 (52? idr)
The thing IT has over DCS is that it has just about every variant of the F-16, ever, in full fidelity with clickable cockpits. It now also has a WIP F-15C. It has numerous other planes to fly as well, but they're all directly based on the F-16s and are not their own thing. But the F-16 variants and now the F-15C are fucking AWESOME.
And Falcon 4 is only like 5 bucks on Steam. Then BMS is 100% free. Pretty much Must Have. The graphics aren't DCS quality, but you really don't notice unless you're specifically "looking for pretty." But not when you're actually simply playing.
The campaign engine is renown as THE BEST flight sim campaign engine ever. Not yet matched. It is live and continuous and dynamic and you can jump into any fragged flight at any point. And frag your own missions. Even control an entire squad, or just let the AI deal with planning and ops.
Now you need to get the Bigscreen beyond. And be truly blown away.
This was awesome! Loved seeing your enjoyment with VR! 😁
Thanks for checking it out!!
Now you just need the buttkicker and Winwing Force sensing stick and you’ll really feel right at home!
Finally!!! I can't play without VR by years!
Yeah its so true VR is so distracting sometimes im flying and there is a sunset and im just like wow that's so pretty and i get blown up and it scares me so bad cause i forgot i wasn't in friendly airspace i really do love free flying sometimes
Dudes do immersed that at 1:30 he's g-breathing
1:33 did u just do a breathing exercise to not black out in the game 😂
old habits never die
Imagine being shocked at something we all been tryin to tell ya the whole key time. VR is a far superior experience lol Keep it up Max!
hahaha I heeaaaar you! Thanks man!
Everyone thinks their PC is beefy until they try VR...
Right!? Then VR serves you some Humble pie 😂
mine did well with link 64gb 3080 i9 13900k
With computer and gaming platforms becoming more advanced each year, games and simulation programs like DCS are more realistic than ever imagined by most people. At this point the only thing missing from the DCS experience is actually feeling the G’s, speed and motion that you have when actually flying. There are full motion gaming rigs that move full circle in any direction that can make DCS even more realistic but you still don’t feel the force of gravity or speed when you’re flying. If someone could accurately replicate that feeling and experience it would make DCS absolutely insane.
What impressed me was how you keep eyeballs on target. Lose sight lose the fight. Always true
That has to be weird not feeling the G's simultaneously. That has to play into how you would react versus the simulation telling you what the average pilot could take.
I wonder how a dogfight against a world class acrobatic pilot would go say against “Rob Holland”? I bet he would pull off maneuvers those Jets aren’t supposed to do. It would be an interesting experiment.
I struggle to play DCS without VR, so much more immersion being "inside" the cockpit.
For sure, it's awesome. I just need to find a better way to screen capture so I can get the whole screen
@@MaxAfterburnerusa Go to options and under the VR tab. Uncheck enable HMD Mask and under VR Mirror Options check Use DCS System Resolution. Mirror Eye Source RIGHT EYE and Check Crop to Rectangle. Now it will look just like a regular screen. You can see one of mine and see how it looks.
@@MaxAfterburnerusa I' can show you how, It's easy. I also record the radios and all sound within the video.
@@cobyalonHow do you record the whole screen?
@@MaxAfterburnerusa If you're running Meta Quest Air Link, you can use the included Oculus Mirror. If you're running SteamVR, you can use the included SteamVR View. To get best results it's recommended to run the mirrored image at as high a resolution you can (fullscreen, either on main or separate monitor). For a more stabilized image, some video editors include stabilizers that work well with VR.
When you fish gasp from a G pull I know it's gotta be reverie. Nice not to feel like a tube of toothpaste being steam rolled every time you perform a tight maneuver, lol. Now your a NGAD drone pilot lol.
Sir, I would like to ask you some questions about aerial refueling:
1. For aerial refueling, should I display the speed as CAS or TAS?
When I was under the belly of the KC-135, I always felt inexplicably nervous because it was difficult for me to focus on speed control while also controlling the plane's ascent and descent.
Do you have any experience in attention allocation that you can offer to DCS beginners?
I guess the most immersive breaking thing is there isn't a body flying the plane.
Thanks for making us witness the how it is to feel or at least see how it is to be in the cockpit.
Time to collab with Mover and others to enjoy more with multiplay all using VR.
6:19 : Your muscle memory was good enough to breathe in and bear down (like child birth) as if you were pulling real G's when it greyed out.
If you thought this was cool then you should try vtol vr. It’s a full fidelity vr sim. You can actually put your hand up to the switches and flick them yourself it’s awesome. It’s not as advanced as dcs graphics and realism wise but the fact that it has a fully modeled cockpit is awesome and definitely worth a try. I have 250 hrs in it so I have definitely enjoyed it
I think an interesting idea would be to record a multiplayer server run. Would get to see real time fighter pilot decisions
yeah first time i put my vr on, I felt like I was actually in the jet. It is amazing every time I fly now. I could NEVER go back to a monitor again.
You were even G breathing at times, realistic.
My wife makes fun of me in the kitchen whenever I’m taking off in a 777 and calling out the V speeds and Rotation 😂
“I’m not your copilot!”
😆 that’s funny
What u need is a Motion Seat! :) I bought one 4 Years ago for Simracing... now 4 years later i can handle a f18 and f16 but lost my racingskills... what i want to say. DCS is absolut brilliant and catches me! And hell yes, Virtual Reality is the big thing!
From 'Wow' to focus back to 'Wow' again in 2sec 🤣
5:10....Go Vertical..!!!! Roll....!!! Find him...!!
DCS in VR is amazing - AI Mig29 has some UFO powers though and doesn't lose speed in the turn the same as you
I did UPT 30
Years ago but I’ve heard they are now using VR to train and get the folks solo on a T6 after 4 hours which is crazy.. I think it’s called UPT 2.0 but I’ll still remember fondly the days of my T37/8 IP beating me over the head
Heck yeah! 37 Driver here as well. Cheers!
you know hes immersed when you catch him G strain breathing LMAOO
there is no turning back now :) Got to say I am glad i am not the only that strains in vr , there is nothing like it.
Not to mention that thrustmaster just released a new F-16 throttle!
It was very interesting, especially seeing how your body automatically reacted to what you were seeing even though you weren't feeling actual g's... Apparently all that training is still well imprinted)
Bro, you should have joined the army after leaving Air Force, and went into SF for that adrenaline rush)
Let's see a mid air refuel and take off and landing.
I’ve thought about getting a good VR and doing this. It has to be such an insane and realistic experience. Imagine have these toys as a kid? Better, we have them when we’re 40.
Nice to see the reaction of a real fighter pilot 🙂
Started with a Lenovo Explorer, moved to the Reverb G2 powered by a 4090 and
over the years, i got ~500h in the F-14. Now having the F-4 ... it's a time consuming
hobby 🙄
God forbid we get into a war but we'll have some great candidate pilots. Just draft from DCS.
Now you need a buttkicker setup, really seal the deal in immersion!!!
This. It will allow him the missing *feel* of the jet he keep talking about (e.g. not realizing when getting slow).
What made you want to try VR ? I'm so happy you enjoy it and your reaction is so fun :D
I love the experience of VR for sim games, and I encourage people to try it. It's 100% worth it
been flying the F14 for about 4yrs now in VR. That thing is awesome along with the F18 and Apache
There is a checkbox setting to make you be used to the G forces automatically instead of the pilot “getting used to it” over time. Its in the special menu or something like that.
You should try flying FPV drones. The feeling is close to the same I’ve heard. The creator of one of the most famous online stores was a F-15 pilot.
Fantastic clip
Thanks for sharing
Regards
Dave from Scotland
At first I was like, “what’s he bugging out about?” Then i remembered he normally used ir track. I’ve only played this in VR and I agree it’s very immersive. I’m saving up for the flight motion rig by Yaw 3
It is immersive!
I was waiting for you to try this.
It’s so Beautiful watching Him react so Naturally
Incredible Vibe
Wonderful how far games have come
This is awesome that you found this! I can not fly 2D anymore! WAIT until you try some of the higher end headsets, its unbelievable!
F-16 was banking above me today. Still bad ass after all these years. My great uncle designed the missle guidance sysyem for GD. They made a few delta wing variants but they weren't seriously considered I guess.
Maine?
@@djstatyk1540 San Antonio
I want to see you go from this to the WW1 planes in VR
Connect it using a data cable and that will cure any choppiness while using the VR, otherwise you are relying on a LAN signal from the headset which can be pretty unreliable for this kind of use.
It's very shaky and choppy is that just what we are seeing or do you see it that way also? I would make me a nervous wreck.
VR is unbelievable for flight simulators! So happy to see in one finally ❤
Choppy help: Make sure whatever app you're streaming to the headset from like natives quest app or virtual desktop(VD is the best) is set to the fps your game is actually putting out.
65 and i want one great way to feel young again and keep the brain active😊
i have seen seats that tilt to simulate motion lol that's gotta be the icing on the cake
Actually... Palmer Luckey is the person to thank for the VR renaissance... If it wasn't for the Oculus Rift CV1, that thing you wore on your head would be inexistant...
Now fly the Tomcat or Phantom in VR, and get your mind REALLY blown
Same with racing sims. One you have raced in VR, there's no going back to 2D.
He is even doing the high g breathing, I wonder if he even realised...
Finally he got vr. Not let him get that moza ffb base!
At 1:30 listen to him breathe 😂. It's part of training. I love it. He uses his training even in a game.
I amazed at the skill level these guys have to be at to fly these planes.
A pilot should take a big deep breath, holding the air in their glottis, which is located in the throat, before the G-onset or acceleration occurs and then they begin the "air exchange." The air exchange is the quick release of air that should occur every three seconds.
Proper set up VR in flight sim or race sim is an experience you will never forget.
Mine was pretty choppy at first too when I first played VR. Bought a long USB C cable and play wired to my PC and it works much better.
Breathing like he’s in the jet. You know DCS is legit.
I kind of feel like whoever set this up for him did a small injustice by not letting him start the jet, takeoff, all of that stuff....giving him some time to take it all in and be amazed.
Good call! Will do that soon. I wish I had haptic feedback so I could click stuff with my hands
Glad to see you finally going VR. I see it has your brain convinced.
Wow, your just getting in to VR?! Once you go VR, you can never go back!
I tried flying against 2 mig 29s last night in my F18. I got one with an AIM 120 and the other was very much like this 😂