Can I just say how crazy it is that Hololive’s big drama is spoiling an off collab or Subway jokes, while Nijisanji’s tamest moment is a graduation announcement.
The offcollab wasn’t even spoiled really, nerissa and shiori were already doing off collabs when she said it. Think it’s the “in Japan” part she shared which hadn’t been shared which isn’t a big deal. People being mad for people who aren’t mad themselves.
and im getting annoyed with khyo saying it doesnt mean shit yet puts in the thumbnail. however, it does makes me feel grateful that this is considered news for hololive while nijisanji is killing itself
@akira8393 Khyo wasn't the one who said it didn't mean shit like you claimed. It was at 2:07 where he referred to what Kronii said verbatim in the comment she made at the clip at the last paragraph saying "this is not a big deal and so I will happily move on from."
@@Arashi257 they're incredibly mid. If you have any kind of American sandwich shop in your area, it's gonna be more or less the same as that shop: over processed lunch meats on a loaf of bread and a smattering of random veggies of somewhat questionable freshness.
People that keep bringing up weird bits like her blended sandwiches have NOTHING and I do mean nothing going on in their lives. It's been more than a year time to move on, she's had surgery two or three times since then , had her wisdom teeth removed and all sorts of other odd things but that's what they lean into. I did my best to forget and no someone has to bring it up again
@@munkeefinkelbeen5395 So basically you're saying that if I ever get the chance, I should just make my own subs? Then again, I always did like eating foods that I prepare myself.
I feel like that’s a same kind of joke as every time a new oversea member debuts and gets called speaking Japanese better than miko which she laughs about it and that’s all. Guess it’s just a personal issue where Kronii obviously don’t appreciate it
Kronii: No problem, literally haven't thought about that for like a year Kiara: People want drama for the sake of drama Bonni: I honestly thought he'd already graduated. It's been a good while since I saw him collab with anyone. Good on him tho, hope to see more of him in the future.
Bonbon must be experience like what happened to Mika. That's why he didn't stream for a long time while focus on his other irl job (from Selen's story back then) due to tax debt from niji.
@@akira8393 what happened with Kiara was such a nothing burger. Shiori and Nerissa have been doing off collabs since what last week? People are just being weird who don't understand social cues who scream "spoilers". What a bunch of weirdos
Kiara is known to be "the voice" of EN members. Sometimes she just can't shut up from saying things that can lead to drama. Nothing wrong with it, but it's a habit that she has imo. Whether or not she intended to try to inform us indirectly or saying it unintentionally, she just can't help her self sometimes. Like if you know that saying something gonna cause a lil bit drama, don't talk about it geez...
Which is a shame while I didn't watch ID much, what I saw of him he seemed like a chill guy with a really nice voice. Did something specific cause that?
@@LukasJampen The death of the ID branch pretty much (aka when Niji merged them with the EN branch). Literally every single one of them started leaving back to back even before shit started to get bad in the public eye. They no longer had the support they used to have, their OG managers were replaced with shitty new ones and they were basically left to fend for themselves. I'm surprised they didn't leave sooner, though most of had already pretty abandoned their accounts and was focusing on their in real jobs or just made a whole new account to go indie/went back to their past lives.
@@LukasJampen Lack of funding and management probably, after the merge the ID branch died, those who know what gonna happened already left, the ones are left is dying a slow death. ID branch is abandoned, before it was the better branch out of all Niji branch, now there is no funding, no events, no sponsors, no merch sale or new outfits/models and no managers while Niji still taking a massive cut. Going independent would be no different, actually it would be better
And Selen said Bonbon was busy doing irl job despite their lack of collab, and to connect with Mika's story suddenly it all make sense now, he and the rest ID talents probably busy earn money to pay up that debt trap from niji
@@b0t123 She’d have to be looking in some extremely niche places, I know that I, at the very least, haven’t seen any mention of subway for months, even on /vt/, before she mentioned it on stream.
For her direct fanbase? Yes. For the wider Hololive fanbase, most likely. But outside of Hololive, chances are if you know only one thing about Kronii, it's the "Blended Subway Sandwich". You may not be able to pick her out of a line up. You probably can just BARELY recognize her voice (if she's not gagging, like in one of the clips). But if you know the name "Kronii", it's almost certainly because of Subway. And it's the people coming in from outside the direct fanbase, looking for a way "in" with the old fans ("Hey, I know this about Kronii!"), who are continuing to bring up Subway.
@@billcolgate2851 Even more than that, they've been regularly graduating groups from ID over time for about a year now. Bonbon has basically just been sticking it out to occasionally do apex tournaments or play with Sonny and then go back to his alt.
Yeah it's weird. Like is it such a big deal being spoiled that Hololive Advent is in Japan? Like Cover is a Japanese company, of course they were going to show up in Japan eventually...
Might've been avoidable if Kiara had just ignored the initial comments but meh, it's not hurting anyone. We all knew that's where they are, except for the super new ppl
Yeah. Zero "spoilers". Even if it was, personally I don't see how that spoils the actual entertainment a person gets from the stream (if/when there is one) and the streamers themselves. That's me tho. But, in the bug picture it doesn't matter because you'll always find people who get their panties in a bunch for any little thing. Oh, a Vtuber took a picture _next_ to another streamer, or a streamer of the opposite sex. A Vtuber model uses colors that kind of, maybe, sort of, looks like a certain county flag's colors (by random coincidence) if you squint your eyes. A new Vtuber model reveals too much ...or covers up too much. The new direction a Vtuber is taking their music is "unacceptable". Or even _MENTIONING_ another Vtuber. ...There'll always be a group of people who can't stand another person's individuality, go figure.
Oh my gosh. I know I don't appreciate or support the kurosanji company but there are a handful of talents that still hold my heart. Bonnivier was one of them, I hope he has a good time after graduation !
@@roadrobin3516 I'm honestly surprised ppl did know since I was there for the Twitter Space and their follow up off-collabs. Guess I wasn't paying attention. lol
The only time Kiara mentioned Japan in that clip was when she was literally reading someone's comment in chat and even IF (keyword: if) she'd managed to "spoil" something, who caaaares it's not even remotely a big deal
It's not like it was a big announcement or anything. The streams were even title off collab so they would obviously either have to be at one of their places or japan.
I'm starting to think that Kiara has a certain group in her fanbase who just like to make drama out of everything. She's been at the center of a fair few smaller dramas and nothingburgers, but when you look at what she's actually said and done it doesn't seem all that weird. So my working theory is that some of her "fans" just like to stir up drama where there isn't any
@@HyattHyatt3179it's been like this since forever. For some reason still unknown to this day, Kiara has a more or less large group of haters that make drama out of everything she does and says, and no one knows why specifically her...
@@Grande_Vtr Calli has a similar issue, only difference is that Calli doesn't give a damn about it, and sometimes even mocks people that tries to cancel her
The guy going after Ame and hate lolis has promoted real sex with children. If he is friends with Capcom lol they probably might want to cut ties with him.
Just found out his YT channel. There was a reply of him saying that he emailed cover corp and frankly said that he will not get sued by cover corp. he also said that he is a monster? Well indeed as he would chose to sleep with a 17 year old girl.
The Smash bros fandom has the highest amount of pedifiles like him. It's one of the main reasons they were dropped from Evo by Sony. Along with Melee being difficult to set up for staff.
@@Arashi257 most times these people crying the loudest about fictional things being vile are guilty of doing vile real things in the real world. It's incredibly common to find out they get arrested or offed later one. there used to be a few twitter accounts I followed because they were really bad and had harassed people from my community so I just wanted to keep a check on them. Both of them got take out back like ol'yella apparently by people they crossed doing the thing they claimed others were doing in fictional settings.
'Two ladies staying together in jp' is an unforgivable spoiler by Kiara. We were all operating under the assumption that they were 7 dudes in an old Bhutanese soviet bunker. Immersion ruined, my disappointment is immeasurable and etc
kronii thought the meme would die down? bruh she's talking about the fanbase that still throw around Fox = cat memes, and god knows how long ago that is.
maybe i wrong but i think she tried to pull what fauna did when she draw the boundries between her and the fans, however the problem with this is kroni basically the one who bring the subway topic first so she just faced hers own consequences
It's pretty stupid for a streamer to rant after a period of silence like, are they expecting the fans to read their mind that she's not happy about it? Streamers create their own fuse about a topic that they don't enjoy 'till it snap, they rant, and the audience never realized they were mad about it. Easy solution: Talk about it as soon as you feel uncomfortable with it. Treat your audience like children, tell them to police other people who mention that thing and they will happily follow. On another topic, Fubuki's Fox = Cat is not a dead meme. Fubuki is one of the streamers who wear their memes like a badge of honor, she make cat videos and cat memes every now and then.
@@cry9438 meanwhile while we talk about this kroni branch+mate bijou need to deal with all the memes and jokes hers community made up (candy feet,salty dandruff and more)
The joke is more than 18 months old. If unfunny people still think that's funny, then it's fine to tell them to stop, and if jerks wanna keep doing it to piss of Kronii, then that's an easy target to put on their back. Kronii isn't one to take shit from people, and if her community doesn't comply to her demands she'll let the faithfull ones murk the black sheeps. She is ruthless
I recall seeing someone say that Bobon had never streamed for a long while, except when supporting Selen in her endeavors. I guess soon he can go all out in his future endeavors, including assisting in hers.
*sees the kiara stuff* what the f.... WHAT ARE THIS PEOPLE ON? Now im questioning if the last couple of offcollabs really happened or were just a fever dream inside my head.
I think she comes off as too serious in the comment at least to my limited thoughts but having the same joke repeated constantly with no updates could make improvisation and talking on stream much harder to get through so I understand putting a halt
I've been hearing about all of Advent being in Japan for several days now, well before Kiara's stream. Nerrisa and Shiori did an off-collab Twitter space before Kiara's stream as well so we already knew those two were staying in the same place. During that TS it didn't take much effort to conclude they were streaming from a hotel room. Heck, that chat comment Kiara read on stream even proves at least some fans already knew they were in Japan.
Yeah thing is people wanna randomly attach Kiara to spoiling things even though those same people probably already knew it was going on because they are active followers of the talents. It’s a weird thing to blame a talent for spoilers especially if things like looking at their schedules was a 100% confirmation of it all
Looking at the actual clip, seems like a couple members were being sarcastically facetious about her spoiling when she didnt really know if they were in another country or not. (I certainly didn’t have a clue either, I thought Nerissa went to Shiori’s actual home.) 😅
When I saw the announcement in Bahasa I was questioning: "Wait, there's someone other than Hana of the ID branch still in Niji?", cause I knew it couldn't be Hana Macchia
@@kanzaki2672 She won't ever fall, because the reason why I said it couldn't be her in the first place, is because she is just ID Millie when it comes to defending Niji
What are you talking about? The only reason she hasn't graduate yet is because she doesn't want any ID members feel alone. She will graduate the last bc she feel the responsibility as the first member of nijiID. Please don't spread baseless rumors about her.
@@st0rmy66Hana is foreigners. She is not Indonesian citizen. It's alright if she didn't live Indonesia anymore. Also, I think people have right to live wherever they want as long as they follow the rule.
I was wondering what the drama was with Kiara and saw she mentioned Japan. Now that I know all I can say is... that's it? It feels like people just look for any excuse to be mad at Wawa. The only one who gets that worse is Calli.
Yeah random fans attach way too much weight to Kiara’s words like those same fans definitely already knew that the advent girls are in Japan and are using Kiara fumbling over her words a bit to justify their assumption. People have a weird type of confirmation bias towards Kiara that they don’t apply to most other EN girls
Kiara didn't know anything, she got everything from chat it soundlike so entirely a none event. Regardless the collabing would have made it obvious anyway that they had to be physically close
I get Kronii is upset but she could've responded way better. She's acting like a Diva who wants to control the environment of her fandom. Yes point out what makes you upset, but telling people they aren't real fans is a douche move. You're online, have fun with it or respectfully talk about not doing it on the stream.
Whoa... Has it been that long? Last I heard about the Subway joke was the Pico Park collab, I still remember she was eating Meatball Marinara because that day I bought myself one as well because of her.
@@TheKenchanx oh right... Now I remembered, I missed the blender stream and watches the VOD in the background while working, but it has really been a year since I've last heard about it
The problem with kronii is memes people remember just happen or are forced since she leaned into it so hard at the time. Just like one off sound clips follow the JP girls she probably will never fully escape the memories she carved into everyone's mind.
Sadly for Kronii, when some kind of thing happens to you or you do a thing that is meme able, that stuff's gonna follow you for the rest of your days. while it'll be less and less it will never go away. Honestly the best is to ignore it and not address it, since addressing it will flare it up and it will recycle itself again. This is the way the internet goes once somethings stuck to your persona it will stay that way forever. (luckily her subway thing is quite a mild and nondamaging thing to follow her, so she's gonna be okay)
so true, the best option is you either accep it and make it in to your brand or just plain ignore it so people will die down and never dig it again, if you against it and address it, it will just make it more and more bigger problem instead, honestly i hove kroni can endure it instead addressing it
No, you can address it, just only do it once and then move on. It’s fine to set boundaries for stale memes and jokes (see bottom-left memes for Kiara). The people that actually care about the streamer will listen and adhere to their wishes. The internet can do whatever tf it wants at that point.
@@RobeezyLoudenProud Sometimes people are too sensitive about silly things! I just don't understand, honestly! Public figures should be able to deal with it in a better way.
Everybody’s different. I feel like some people forget that way too easily. That being said, a content creator should know the mental and emotional risks that comes with their job though.
I think the kronii subway thing is just good comedy, that's why people still check out the clip, good comedy can have a long life, even if the person depicted in it is already tired of it the audience might not be
@@saysalla if you think jokes about someone is considered harassment or "bullying" or "signs of being an unloyal supporter" youre gonna HATE how comedians are nowadays.
I really don’t think Kronii should have been a vtuber. She’s so like i don’t know, it’s crazy she got accepted. She doesn’t create good vibes, she’s just there for herself and it’s so selfish.
Cry about it, when you expose yourself to the internet you expose yourself to these kind of endless memes. She gets paid for it, I don't feel sorry for her at all.
I don't get why the subway memes trigger Kronii so much. It's clearly not a dead meme if that many people still enjoy using it, and it's just about benign as a meme could be. Is there some, like, sexual connotation associated with it that she dislikes? Is she just on the rag?
Have you never done something, and then a year or two later it is embarrassing to look back on? That is probably happening here. I wouldn't even be that surprised if she privates the original vod in the near future.
I mean as a person who doesn't watch her beside random clips or the monopoly collabs with the boys before they "left", all I knew her for was the inhumane ways of eating the subway and for something about her removing some ribs, which to me is crazy just thinking about it.
Bonnivier Pranaja was one of the many Nijisanji ID vtuber I've watched during COVID. His gaming skill and charisma is amazing. Kinda sad seeing him graduating without having a graduation stream, but I guess it's a given since he hasn't been streaming for a long time too. Dude's probably busy and I wish him success in his future endeavours. Good luck, Mr. Fisherman!
@@Darkstormsun9865 Thats not dead..people always bring back old memes every now and then, they're just temporarily forgotten until they're brought up again.
I expected Bobon to graduate. He's been streaming on an alt account recently with some other ID talents. Hopefully he has all the success in the world.
I completely understand and agree with Kronii. Leave it to the internet to take something funny and run it into the ground until it not only stops being funny, but becomes downright annoying...
If your going twist someones joke that's meant to be a playful jab into "your defining me as this waah😫" that's some wild mental gymnastics despite the level of fans views and Donks you get and the support your company gives you get thicker skin
@@blinkyy4594 Looks like we found the unintelligent clown who keeps parroting a boring, unfunny joke. Did you get upset after being called out? Get thicker skin.
The thing is though without government involvement, the Internet isn't gonna forget your memes, jokes, funny antics. Remember Ugandan Knuckles? It's still alive somewhere
Kind of a weird thing to make specific mention of. Not really sure I agree that people are making it her Kronii's "whole" brand. Vtubers do a lot of weird shit that gets stuck in the zeitgeist, for her one of those things is subway blending. She did it as a joke, and it was effective as a joke; and if it's "not a big deal" why single it out specifically and say it makes you uncomfortable? Either it is a big deal and it does, or it's not and it doesn't. Again just a weird thing to have to address.
I love watching Kronii but the way she addressed that is so strange. Every vtuber stream is full of npc comments spamming the same memes over and over and she wants to forcibly erase one of them that she made herself? I completely understand "wanting to not make it her identity" and personally disliking it but it's literally bringing her more audience AND 🤑🤑🤑 through clips and npc comments referencing it every now and then doesn't make it her entire identity even if it's cringe as hell to see
Exactly. It's the internet. The internet is going to do its thing regardless of whether Kronii or anybody else likes it or not. I could see if she was facing legitimate issues like harassment (like what Watson is currently experiencing) but she complaining about a meme that, like you said, she created. It goes to show just how out of touch with reality she and a large portion of her fanbase who blindly agree with everything she says really are.
Wow!! Kronii has a certain way of speaking but in this situation she came of really bad. She sounded like a grade A witch. There is better ways to do this. Ina is a great example of how to do it.
Bro Kronii's worst problem right now is people bringing up an old joke? What kind of first world problem is this, lmao? People over in Niji are burning on a sinking ship, having tax problems, have health issues. She's over here upset about a sandwich joke I can't even.
and people are dying of starvation somewhere so why make a big deal of a company having a awful working environment? and you are upset about someone else getting upset about a sanwich joke.
@@BioMatic2 True which makes her complaint even funnier. How much lower should we go? I mean, you're just proving my point of her complaint being stupid even more. I purposely chose a comparison of people in a similiar position (Vtubers) as her who have it worse. The stuff you're talking about isnt even necessary to mention as its common sense that more horrific things are happening. I wanted to make the comparison fair, though, and used people in a position similar to her.
I'm not someone who watches Kronii streams, but given some of the comments down here I suspect one of two things. One, she's overblowing how frequent the joke is coming up. Or two she's not done anything on that level of memorable since then.
Her appeal was her voice and her "ribbon." The former eventually stops being a novelty and she does her damndest to hide the latter. So, indeed, there's nothing.
I mean, maybe she shouldn't have blended the subway sandwiches in the first place? Honestly, it's just such a memorably revolting thing to do that it's going to stick with you basically forever, and she should have known that. Kinda like the spider cooking thing, only Hachima ran with that one, but if she didn't encourage it, people would continue to reference what she did, because it was just that outlandish. No one else has eaten a spider on Hololive, and no one else blended subway sandwitches. She did it for the shock value, and now she's stuck with it. Tons of people end up the same way, many times against their wishes, like, let's take a really old one, The Star Wars Kid. He didn't want that video released to the public, but it was, and he got stuck with it.
Yeah, it feels a bit petty to think someone is malicious for beating a dead horse or getting upset over people engaging with content you made yourself. I think it would be better overall to just keep ignoring it instead of making a statement that tries to retroactively claim that "the joke was never funny! didn't you get the memo?". Like yeah I'm not slapping my knee and wheezing when someone calls Fubuki a cat but it's clear that a lot of people just aren't daily watchers and will then resort to the common denominator to communicate somehow. Someone else mentioned that when Irys had her debut there were some attempts to make IRS jokes, but it never caught on at all since she completely stonewalled it. I'm just a filthy clip watcher so I don't really care either way at the end of the day.
It doesn't help that Kronii only has maybe one or two other slightly interesting memes in her community that stand out, so of course people are gonna harp on the one actually interesting thing for so long.
@@XT873 I believe this is due to Kronii being upset the entire stream. With people reacting weirdly with the lack of booba in her new outfit. Compound this with people sending her supas talking about "forgetting timezones," mentioning the subway saga unprompted, which leads me to believe that this is her indirect way of saying she regrets doing that stream. What really broke the camel's back though is chat saying in a really sardonic way that she's "pretty sassy today" which if one understands social cues, would only make the person in question even more upset especially coming from strangers such as chat.
Well obviously Kroni doesnt like people making the joke anymore so two options a) not saying anything and hope it does away b) say something an hope people listen. She tried a it did not work now she tries b.... I think this will take care of about 90% of people making the joke that probably just did not know how she felt about it and also makes it easy to identify the remaining 10% that dont give a shit so that she can not give a shit about them also.
I do have to say that I'm sorry Kroni, but that's now how it works. This whole situation reminds me of the whole debacle with Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris hated for the longest time the Chuck Norris jokes and did took some legal action against some sites. It was until the expendables that he finally came down to accept it as part of him. One does not control the meme, the meme is controlled by the fans and addressing it doesn't stop people from using it, but makes it worse.
It's interesting how money changes people's opinion on things. I'm sure kronii wasn't this angry about the dead old stale subway jokes when she made bank by streaming herself blending sandwiches and drinking them. She wasn't this hostile to the other hololive talents who made subway jokes at her either because collabing with them is worth more than some stupid paypig to her.
The fans already knew because of Advents schedules and all of them taking breaks/traveling. Pretty much the chat already knew but because Kiara talked a little bit about it they just think she confirmed it. It’s really dumb that people think she spoiled anything
Unfortunately for Kronii, her attempt to act funny and grab attention of viewers now is stuck to her image. There's no more "boundaries" about will be said after you share it with thousands of viewers.
@ManWithFace changing opinions is fine. Demanding boundaries after giving so much freedom and talking crap to grab and hold an audience and giving content for fans to develop parasocial relationships is counterintuitive. It's not a matter of being incomprehensible, it's just common sense with "celebrities". Also, you're one month late on your reply, mate.
Didn’t realise he was into esports (then again I only saw one of his streams and that was he day after day Coco graduated) I guess that’s why he got on well with Selen? I wonder if he would get on with Dokibird too?
I’m kind of glad bonbon is released from the shackles! It would be amazing to see them reconnect with doki or mishi! I know those three played games together a few times and always enjoyed him!
kroni bringing attention to subway sandwich might make it worse. Also where is she ego surfing cause I don't recall anyone mentioning subway thing in a long time
But she addressed that though. She said that the people who she actually cared about would realise that she didn't like it and stop, and that she didn't care about the ones who'd do it just for the sake of being annoying and just wanted her actual fans to know that she'd like them to stop. And surely if you actually care about someone you'd stop being an annoying little sh*t to them when they asked you to stop and were clearly genuinely bothered, right? Otherwise you probably didn't care all that much
@@HyattHyatt3179 What did she address? That it bothers her but she doesn't care anyway but enough to actually mentioning it - ban people over it? Sure, you don't care about someone if you don't treat her like a snowflake over a bit of banter, considering she brought that upon herself. Isn't that being a little shit?🤔
one of my fav Niji iD gamers Om Bobon going to grad not realy suprised cus he already showing how he not realy enjoying time after selen gone, but obviously the reason why he's on another job.. so now there's only 5 Remaining Member from Niji Id, Hana, Rai, Layla, Nagisa, Etna. realy end of era..
It’s funny that’s what she doesn’t like anymore lol. I guess it really is just because it’s played out. I do think she could’ve told people to knock it off without getting just a bit dramatic, but like, that’s kronii I do think the fans do need to let some jokes die after awhile. Just like Towa, the whole angel thing was kinda cute at first and then she’s like “uh sure okay…” when they just keep going.
Actually, now thinking about what Michi said about her past workplace, I think it sort of makes sense why Niji ID graduations have been happening en masse, specifically talking about the debt trap. Michi said she was lucky with it, but perhaps that's why a lot of Niji ID talents have been dropping out of the company, because it wasn't just a 1 person thing, but incompetence over dealing with an entire branch of livers.
Ohh poor Kronii, it's called a community meme and every streamer has one. Well the ones that actually see there community as more than open wallets do anyway, some community memes have been ongoing since 2012 for fuck sake.
Just because some vtubers have no spine doesn't mean kronii isn't allowed to stand up for herself and set boundaries. Jokes are jokes when their funny but years of constant bullying and sexual harassment is going way too far.
She really does see her "community" as nothing more than a resource pit to extract from. The fact people still give money to such arrogant, unlikeable b***hes who berate their fans for something as petty as jokes THEY CREATED is a testament to just how screwed our society is today.
@@saysalla since when blending subway becoming running joke is a sexual harassments? by that logic wouldn't Ame's groundpounding your mom is also counted as one too?
so being a "kroni" and a "part of the community" is something to strive for? and she uses that as leverage to control their behavior? i dont really care about these perceived boundaries. Shes been gettin an attitude tellin someone in chat that they were a pre pubescent boy and to get out for mentioning "holy booba" about her new outfit. THis is why the jp ones are better or newer streamers that havent gotten an attitude like Nerissa
Exactly. Maybe it's just me, but she sounded more like she was telling her paypigs how they had to act in order to have the privilege to watch her than she did somebody who was just "setting boundaries". Kiara and Calli did it much better.
I mean idk why it would even be a "surprise" if they were in Japan. The 3 members of Advent NOT ALREADY IN JAPAN all taking a break at the same time and 2 of them having off-collabs for an entire week?
Kiara may have slipped up with not knowing they hadn’t said that yet but the people mad about it should stop pretending they’re perfect. The other girls themselves don’t seem mad at all themselves so don’t be mad for people who aren’t mad. Not like “in Japan” is specific anyways. Plus I’m sure cover knows how to keep their talents safe at the office and wherever they use for temp lodgings, not like they can’t afford somewhere with security if that’s the issue.
I mean, it's understandable on why she's tired of the hole subway meme. But I wouldn't find it annoying if it was brought up. I don't believe that people who do use those kinds of memes are trying to be negative with them. However,she said her peace and hope things don't get worse from here.
As much as I hate it, its true. I'm still seeing the joke of "I liked it when they appeared and said its _ing time" meme format from morbius and it should've died a LONG time ago.
Is this joke seriously still so prevalent that it was worth actively addressing? I can understand Ina bringing up the "Ina's back" thing and wanting to put a stop to it because half the comments she was receiving were just that nonstop. I had no idea Kronii's subway was prevalent to anywhere near the same degree.
it's because her approach to streaming don't really make iconic moments: subway, blended subway, her randomly occurring coomerbait appeal. Though i suppose she now has this where 2 streams in a row she blew up at chat unprompted.
Heh, well... there are always some new fans, that are watching old videos and then mentioning things from them in chat. This joke maybe dead for Kronii, but for some people it is a fresh experience... sad, that it makes her uncomfortable, but it barelly will stop
Kronii needs to get over it. She did something stupid,, most people have forgotten about it as well. Just ignore the message or delete it. Doesn't help her attitude has dive bombed.
On one hand, I'm happy Bonni is finally free from hell. On the other hand, I'm still seething with rage remembering how stupid Niji was merging ID to EN and firing ID's manager. So many programs already planned fwent down the drain just becauss someone doesn't want their ego got bruised any further.
I love Bobon, but he had practically no viewers and no support from the company. He was probably only still going because his living situation was so bad and this was supposed to be his biggest chance to do what he loves. Like, even while working for "the biggest vtuber company in the world" he was describing his life like he was working part-time to support his whole family. I really wish this had been the opportunity he was probably expecting, and I hope he finds a path in life that allows him to live comfortably.
About the Kronii thing, I unsubscribed a very long time ago, but something tells me it's a combination of older clips still having traction and the community still rehashing that old and stale joke (just like a blended Subway) being a sign there isn't much else worth noting going on with her these days. Usually memes and clips get replaced with newer stuff unless the channel isn't really generating anything new anymore. (But again, I unsubbed a very long time ago, so what do I know.)
Couldn't have said it better myself. She should strive to bury this dated joke with amazing streams / achievements rather than asking her fans to cool it.
Bibu was the one that said she going to stream as much as she can first year before her and the Advent girls need to start joining everyone else in doing projects I think one of the reasons FuwaMocco moved to Japan was so the extra Studio time won't cut into the flow of their daily show and they dont need to do the 2x-4x flight to Japan every year like Gura and Bae(who have since moved to Japan) have to do Its also probably why they want a Studio and Office in the U.S. for the EN girls that way their down time from jet lag and 12 hour studio days 6 days a Week for a month isnt 2-3 months recovery(Yes,I mean Gura doing Ads,special apperances and PR for Japan stuff as Hololive unofficial Mascott)
Personally I think Kronii overreacted with the whole 'Not part of the community ' thing but I can agree that it is a long dead meme & trying to make it her brand, especially when she's just getting irritated by it, is cringe. Better to keep the dead memes in the more private spaces. I don't think it is wrong to personally still enjoy the subway meme.
Can I just say how crazy it is that Hololive’s big drama is spoiling an off collab or Subway jokes, while Nijisanji’s tamest moment is a graduation announcement.
Nijisanji’s worst: *Literally life and death situations.*
Exactly my thoughts.
The offcollab wasn’t even spoiled really, nerissa and shiori were already doing off collabs when she said it. Think it’s the “in Japan” part she shared which hadn’t been shared which isn’t a big deal. People being mad for people who aren’t mad themselves.
Lol yeah most Holo drama is usually just fan related
@@zg3342 It was all pretty obvious. Nerissa, Shiori, and Biboo even joked about how “well” they were hiding it on stream yesterday
I love how Hololive's drama is like oh no, a baby sneezed vs Niji, a whole country's on fire!
and im getting annoyed with khyo saying it doesnt mean shit yet puts in the thumbnail. however, it does makes me feel grateful that this is considered news for hololive while nijisanji is killing itself
@akira8393 Khyo wasn't the one who said it didn't mean shit like you claimed. It was at 2:07 where he referred to what Kronii said verbatim in the comment she made at the clip at the last paragraph saying "this is not a big deal and so I will happily move on from."
@@akira8393 he probably add it to compare dramas between hololive's and nijisanji's
@@zoinksscoob6523That's the point, Hololive's drama is so negligible (literally) compared to what's currently and still happening in Niji.
coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb type situation
I genuinely forgot about the sandwiches. I repressed that super hard.
I repressed hard the second the blended sandwich stream ended. Kronii suffered for us, and I thought that was enough
Ngl, it made me wanna try Subway sandwiches, but unfortunately we don't have those here.
@@Arashi257 they're incredibly mid. If you have any kind of American sandwich shop in your area, it's gonna be more or less the same as that shop: over processed lunch meats on a loaf of bread and a smattering of random veggies of somewhat questionable freshness.
People that keep bringing up weird bits like her blended sandwiches have NOTHING and I do mean nothing going on in their lives. It's been more than a year time to move on, she's had surgery two or three times since then , had her wisdom teeth removed and all sorts of other odd things but that's what they lean into.
I did my best to forget and no someone has to bring it up again
@@munkeefinkelbeen5395 So basically you're saying that if I ever get the chance, I should just make my own subs?
Then again, I always did like eating foods that I prepare myself.
im surprised that joke is still alive, seeing how she had not referenced it in any way for over a year.
People will always find it a way. They don't understand how to let stuff die.
Its pretty damn iconic. Up until that point subway was a pretty regular thing for me and I wasnt able to eat for like months after that
TH-cam chat is behind on the memes.
I feel like that’s a same kind of joke as every time a new oversea member debuts and gets called speaking Japanese better than miko which she laughs about it and that’s all.
Guess it’s just a personal issue where Kronii obviously don’t appreciate it
Subway was brought up in the content warning collab a month ago, not specifically about that stream tho
Kronii: No problem, literally haven't thought about that for like a year
Kiara: People want drama for the sake of drama
Bonni: I honestly thought he'd already graduated. It's been a good while since I saw him collab with anyone. Good on him tho, hope to see more of him in the future.
the only time i remember was from idol showdown. for kiara, i dunno honestly what she was expecting
He is active on his "indie" account.
Bonbon must be experience like what happened to Mika. That's why he didn't stream for a long time while focus on his other irl job (from Selen's story back then) due to tax debt from niji.
@@akira8393 what happened with Kiara was such a nothing burger. Shiori and Nerissa have been doing off collabs since what last week? People are just being weird who don't understand social cues who scream "spoilers". What a bunch of weirdos
Kiara is known to be "the voice" of EN members. Sometimes she just can't shut up from saying things that can lead to drama. Nothing wrong with it, but it's a habit that she has imo. Whether or not she intended to try to inform us indirectly or saying it unintentionally, she just can't help her self sometimes.
Like if you know that saying something gonna cause a lil bit drama, don't talk about it geez...
Technically bonni's ch. is quite dead before the selen thing ever happened, so i'm not suprised he's graduating.
Which is a shame while I didn't watch ID much, what I saw of him he seemed like a chill guy with a really nice voice. Did something specific cause that?
I hear he’s been active on his PL but I don’t know what it is.
@@LukasJampen The death of the ID branch pretty much (aka when Niji merged them with the EN branch). Literally every single one of them started leaving back to back even before shit started to get bad in the public eye. They no longer had the support they used to have, their OG managers were replaced with shitty new ones and they were basically left to fend for themselves. I'm surprised they didn't leave sooner, though most of had already pretty abandoned their accounts and was focusing on their in real jobs or just made a whole new account to go indie/went back to their past lives.
@@LukasJampen Lack of funding and management probably, after the merge the ID branch died, those who know what gonna happened already left, the ones are left is dying a slow death. ID branch is abandoned, before it was the better branch out of all Niji branch, now there is no funding, no events, no sponsors, no merch sale or new outfits/models and no managers while Niji still taking a massive cut. Going independent would be no different, actually it would be better
And Selen said Bonbon was busy doing irl job despite their lack of collab, and to connect with Mika's story suddenly it all make sense now, he and the rest ID talents probably busy earn money to pay up that debt trap from niji
Being a lurker for Hololive stuff, I honestly thought the Subway thing was just a one-time moment that just fizzled for a few weeks.
@@AlexBarbu im [retty sure ina was more associate with her glorious back.
@@AlexBarbushe probably ego surfs a lot on very niche places on the internet
@@b0t123 She’d have to be looking in some extremely niche places, I know that I, at the very least, haven’t seen any mention of subway for months, even on /vt/, before she mentioned it on stream.
I wasn't even aware of the Subway jokes.
For her direct fanbase? Yes. For the wider Hololive fanbase, most likely. But outside of Hololive, chances are if you know only one thing about Kronii, it's the "Blended Subway Sandwich". You may not be able to pick her out of a line up. You probably can just BARELY recognize her voice (if she's not gagging, like in one of the clips). But if you know the name "Kronii", it's almost certainly because of Subway.
And it's the people coming in from outside the direct fanbase, looking for a way "in" with the old fans ("Hey, I know this about Kronii!"), who are continuing to bring up Subway.
*Looks at thumbnail*
*Sees "Nijisanji Grad-*
😶
They have a queue. Livers who want to graduate must wait so their graduations can be staggered in one month intervals.
See you in thirty days
@@billcolgate2851 see you in 60-ish days for another
so they going independent or fleeing to vshojo
@@billcolgate2851how many have graduated thus far? I haven't been keeping track after the whole Selen thing
@@billcolgate2851 Even more than that, they've been regularly graduating groups from ID over time for about a year now. Bonbon has basically just been sticking it out to occasionally do apex tournaments or play with Sonny and then go back to his alt.
You honestly can tell those ppl who think a Collab was 'spoiled' don't have their own life and live by others.
Yeah it's weird. Like is it such a big deal being spoiled that Hololive Advent is in Japan? Like Cover is a Japanese company, of course they were going to show up in Japan eventually...
i mean.. we already had a few shiori nerissa off collabs, and had one with biboo in off collab, so what exactly was it she is spoiling?
Might've been avoidable if Kiara had just ignored the initial comments but meh, it's not hurting anyone. We all knew that's where they are, except for the super new ppl
Yeah. Zero "spoilers". Even if it was, personally I don't see how that spoils the actual entertainment a person gets from the stream (if/when there is one) and the streamers themselves.
That's me tho.
But, in the bug picture it doesn't matter because you'll always find people who get their panties in a bunch for any little thing.
Oh, a Vtuber took a picture _next_ to another streamer, or a streamer of the opposite sex. A Vtuber model uses colors that kind of, maybe, sort of, looks like a certain county flag's colors (by random coincidence) if you squint your eyes. A new Vtuber model reveals too much ...or covers up too much. The new direction a Vtuber is taking their music is "unacceptable". Or even _MENTIONING_ another Vtuber.
...There'll always be a group of people who can't stand another person's individuality, go figure.
@@Roshi_710 And Advent's anniversary is coming up. They're probably working on 3D
Oh my gosh. I know I don't appreciate or support the kurosanji company but there are a handful of talents that still hold my heart. Bonnivier was one of them, I hope he has a good time after graduation !
He seemed like a chill dude with an awesome voice from the clips I saw of him. ID really got shafted by Niji.
I haven't checked his Twitter PL but he apparently already using it, and his termiation date is only a week away at this point so I doubt Niji cares
he's been streaming on his PL for a bit now.
bruh, that's the type of spoilers i will take anyday over a graduation notice from vtubers that I watch.
The thing is people already knew they were there anyway so it didn’t even matter.
@@roadrobin3516 I'm honestly surprised ppl did know since I was there for the Twitter Space and their follow up off-collabs.
Guess I wasn't paying attention. lol
The only time Kiara mentioned Japan in that clip was when she was literally reading someone's comment in chat and even IF (keyword: if) she'd managed to "spoil" something, who caaaares it's not even remotely a big deal
It's not like it was a big announcement or anything. The streams were even title off collab so they would obviously either have to be at one of their places or japan.
I'm starting to think that Kiara has a certain group in her fanbase who just like to make drama out of everything. She's been at the center of a fair few smaller dramas and nothingburgers, but when you look at what she's actually said and done it doesn't seem all that weird. So my working theory is that some of her "fans" just like to stir up drama where there isn't any
@@HyattHyatt3179it's been like this since forever. For some reason still unknown to this day, Kiara has a more or less large group of haters that make drama out of everything she does and says, and no one knows why specifically her...
In the off collab, they even joked how it was a terribly kept secret.
@@Grande_Vtr Calli has a similar issue, only difference is that Calli doesn't give a damn about it, and sometimes even mocks people that tries to cancel her
The guy going after Ame and hate lolis has promoted real sex with children. If he is friends with Capcom lol they probably might want to cut ties with him.
Jesus, if anyone deserves cancellation, it is him 100%.
Just found out his YT channel. There was a reply of him saying that he emailed cover corp and frankly said that he will not get sued by cover corp. he also said that he is a monster? Well indeed as he would chose to sleep with a 17 year old girl.
Wait aren't those just rumors? The guy who used to play Smash bros? Was there an update that said he promoted sexual activity with minors?
The Smash bros fandom has the highest amount of pedifiles like him. It's one of the main reasons they were dropped from Evo by Sony.
Along with Melee being difficult to set up for staff.
@@Arashi257 most times these people crying the loudest about fictional things being vile are guilty of doing vile real things in the real world.
It's incredibly common to find out they get arrested or offed later one.
there used to be a few twitter accounts I followed because they were really bad and had harassed people from my community so I just wanted to keep a check on them.
Both of them got take out back like ol'yella apparently by people they crossed doing the thing they claimed others were doing in fictional settings.
'Two ladies staying together in jp' is an unforgivable spoiler by Kiara. We were all operating under the assumption that they were 7 dudes in an old Bhutanese soviet bunker. Immersion ruined, my disappointment is immeasurable and etc
honestly i was thinking they were hiking ion the himalayas, my day is officially ruined.
I thought they were two sea monsters that have been recently discovered and the government is trying to capture both for science.
kronii thought the meme would die down? bruh she's talking about the fanbase that still throw around Fox = cat memes, and god knows how long ago that is.
maybe i wrong but i think she tried to pull what fauna did when she draw the boundries between her and the fans, however the problem with this is kroni basically the one who bring the subway topic first so she just faced hers own consequences
Doesn't matter if she brings it up or not. People needs to respect boundaries. @@rakadean39
It's pretty stupid for a streamer to rant after a period of silence like, are they expecting the fans to read their mind that she's not happy about it?
Streamers create their own fuse about a topic that they don't enjoy 'till it snap, they rant, and the audience never realized they were mad about it.
Easy solution: Talk about it as soon as you feel uncomfortable with it. Treat your audience like children, tell them to police other people who mention that thing and they will happily follow.
On another topic, Fubuki's Fox = Cat is not a dead meme. Fubuki is one of the streamers who wear their memes like a badge of honor, she make cat videos and cat memes every now and then.
@@cry9438 meanwhile while we talk about this kroni branch+mate bijou need to deal with all the memes and jokes hers community made up (candy feet,salty dandruff and more)
The joke is more than 18 months old. If unfunny people still think that's funny, then it's fine to tell them to stop, and if jerks wanna keep doing it to piss of Kronii, then that's an easy target to put on their back. Kronii isn't one to take shit from people, and if her community doesn't comply to her demands she'll let the faithfull ones murk the black sheeps. She is ruthless
Nothing burger.
Nothing burger.
And... Another day in Hyper Hell.
What a contrast.
Nothing sub?
@@tommyliu7020 (it's a nothing smoothie now)
@@tommyliu7020 Nub Sub?
@@michaelhall736 for setting boundaries? For claiming that she's "lashing out" comparing her to a Niji Liver?
@@michaelhall736 well yeah I am going to respect her wishes and not say that in her chat.
I recall seeing someone say that Bobon had never streamed for a long while, except when supporting Selen in her endeavors. I guess soon he can go all out in his future endeavors, including assisting in hers.
I'mma be honest, I thought he had already left, as in part of the graduation wave
I didn't know he was still with niji
He must be experience something like what happened to Mika, probably the whole ID branch talent.
*sees the kiara stuff*
what the f.... WHAT ARE THIS PEOPLE ON? Now im questioning if the last couple of offcollabs really happened or were just a fever dream inside my head.
please niji dont screw up Bonni's taxes
If they did that to Mika, I fear that they've done my boy Bonnie dirty as well...
@@j1ggl3phy63 *Mika and Mysta
They're gonna, and they'll do it on purpose too.
@@clarehidalgo this is getting out of hand now there's 3 of them.
It's like a singer who dislikes his/her biggest success. Unfortunately for Kronii, that stream was her most iconic non-collab thing.
I think she comes off as too serious in the comment at least to my limited thoughts but having the same joke repeated constantly with no updates could make improvisation and talking on stream much harder to get through so I understand putting a halt
@@ronaldreaganhater6982 It happens... so it's better acepting it in good terms than trying to avoid
Not gonna lie, the situation with Kronii is peak first world problems.
Who is first world in this situation, Kronii or the fandom? Or both?
@@astuteanansi4935 Both
we have war, we have natural disasters, we have hunger problem, and they choose out dated food joke and make it into problem bruh i cant
It's vtubers, any internet figure even is all first world problems. The luxury to make money on such a platform alone.
Meanwhile, Niji is in the middle of it's North Korea arc 💀
I've been hearing about all of Advent being in Japan for several days now, well before Kiara's stream. Nerrisa and Shiori did an off-collab Twitter space before Kiara's stream as well so we already knew those two were staying in the same place. During that TS it didn't take much effort to conclude they were streaming from a hotel room. Heck, that chat comment Kiara read on stream even proves at least some fans already knew they were in Japan.
Yeah thing is people wanna randomly attach Kiara to spoiling things even though those same people probably already knew it was going on because they are active followers of the talents. It’s a weird thing to blame a talent for spoilers especially if things like looking at their schedules was a 100% confirmation of it all
Looking at the actual clip, seems like a couple members were being sarcastically facetious about her spoiling when she didnt really know if they were in another country or not. (I certainly didn’t have a clue either, I thought Nerissa went to Shiori’s actual home.) 😅
Me: finds a vid talking about Hololive
Also me: I would not be surprised right now
When I saw the announcement in Bahasa I was questioning: "Wait, there's someone other than Hana of the ID branch still in Niji?", cause I knew it couldn't be Hana Macchia
She's the last pillar; once she goes, everyone else will follow suit.
@@kanzaki2672 She won't ever fall, because the reason why I said it couldn't be her in the first place, is because she is just ID Millie when it comes to defending Niji
Honestly i'm not even sure if she still in indo. Probably moved to Japan (i don't follow her)
What are you talking about? The only reason she hasn't graduate yet is because she doesn't want any ID members feel alone. She will graduate the last bc she feel the responsibility as the first member of nijiID. Please don't spread baseless rumors about her.
@@st0rmy66Hana is foreigners. She is not Indonesian citizen. It's alright if she didn't live Indonesia anymore. Also, I think people have right to live wherever they want as long as they follow the rule.
I was wondering what the drama was with Kiara and saw she mentioned Japan. Now that I know all I can say is... that's it?
It feels like people just look for any excuse to be mad at Wawa. The only one who gets that worse is Calli.
Yeah random fans attach way too much weight to Kiara’s words like those same fans definitely already knew that the advent girls are in Japan and are using Kiara fumbling over her words a bit to justify their assumption. People have a weird type of confirmation bias towards Kiara that they don’t apply to most other EN girls
they just over trusting in wawa word its become curse for her instead@@niconojuegos
Kiara didn't know anything, she got everything from chat it soundlike so entirely a none event. Regardless the collabing would have made it obvious anyway that they had to be physically close
Kiara didn’t do anything wrong
Not matter of wrong or right really….
She literally didn't do anything
@@Grande_Vtr I know I already seen the actual post myself
I get Kronii is upset but she could've responded way better. She's acting like a Diva who wants to control the environment of her fandom. Yes point out what makes you upset, but telling people they aren't real fans is a douche move. You're online, have fun with it or respectfully talk about not doing it on the stream.
I had forgotten about the Subway sandwich thing and I’m quite happy to continue to forget.
Same, I’m happy as well
And even if I still remember, I am happy that I never mention it
Honestly, I like to remember, giggle, and not mention it and move on.
ok aint holo fan nor know anything abt the idols
BUT CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THIS SUBWAY JOKE IS SO THAT I BECOME KRONII FAN
@@Stan_Raikantopini411 I’d rather not, you can be a Kronii fan without knowing it
@@leonmystique9372 but like.. what do some ppl mean by the subway joke
what did she do to the subway
Whoa... Has it been that long? Last I heard about the Subway joke was the Pico Park collab, I still remember she was eating Meatball Marinara because that day I bought myself one as well because of her.
That was the start of it, actually. Then she did the blended sandwiches.
@@TheKenchanx oh right... Now I remembered, I missed the blender stream and watches the VOD in the background while working, but it has really been a year since I've last heard about it
The problem with kronii is memes people remember just happen or are forced since she leaned into it so hard at the time. Just like one off sound clips follow the JP girls she probably will never fully escape the memories she carved into everyone's mind.
Ironic in this, she do it by self. It is not a random things. She shared this for memes and now she got a "tax")
Sadly for Kronii, when some kind of thing happens to you or you do a thing that is meme able, that stuff's gonna follow you for the rest of your days. while it'll be less and less it will never go away. Honestly the best is to ignore it and not address it, since addressing it will flare it up and it will recycle itself again. This is the way the internet goes once somethings stuck to your persona it will stay that way forever. (luckily her subway thing is quite a mild and nondamaging thing to follow her, so she's gonna be okay)
so true, the best option is you either accep it and make it in to your brand or just plain ignore it so people will die down and never dig it again, if you against it and address it, it will just make it more and more bigger problem instead, honestly i hove kroni can endure it instead addressing it
No, you can address it, just only do it once and then move on. It’s fine to set boundaries for stale memes and jokes (see bottom-left memes for Kiara). The people that actually care about the streamer will listen and adhere to their wishes. The internet can do whatever tf it wants at that point.
@@RobeezyLoudenProud Sometimes people are too sensitive about silly things! I just don't understand, honestly! Public figures should be able to deal with it in a better way.
Everybody’s different. I feel like some people forget that way too easily. That being said, a content creator should know the mental and emotional risks that comes with their job though.
I think the kronii subway thing is just good comedy, that's why people still check out the clip, good comedy can have a long life, even if the person depicted in it is already tired of it the audience might not be
Nope kronii herself said if you still like the subway stuff in 2024 you're not a real fan
@@saysalla it's an opinion on comedy, not about who the "true" fans are, get a life
@@louiemontinola9688 Don't mind them. They legitimately think that jokes someone doesn't like is "harassment".
@@saysalla if you think jokes about someone is considered harassment or "bullying" or "signs of being an unloyal supporter" youre gonna HATE how comedians are nowadays.
I really don’t think Kronii should have been a vtuber.
She’s so like i don’t know, it’s crazy she got accepted. She doesn’t create good vibes, she’s just there for herself and it’s so selfish.
Cry about it, when you expose yourself to the internet you expose yourself to these kind of endless memes.
She gets paid for it, I don't feel sorry for her at all.
i mean, we shouldnt feel bad for her considering shes the one taking money from her viewers and she'll still find a way to complain.
It's been so long about the subway that i forgot about it
I don't get why the subway memes trigger Kronii so much. It's clearly not a dead meme if that many people still enjoy using it, and it's just about benign as a meme could be. Is there some, like, sexual connotation associated with it that she dislikes? Is she just on the rag?
Have you never done something, and then a year or two later it is embarrassing to look back on?
That is probably happening here. I wouldn't even be that surprised if she privates the original vod in the near future.
@@anewfuture sure, but if I deliberately recorded it for content, I'd be happy my meme stuck around that long
@@anewfuture Maybe she shouldn't have done it in the first place.
I mean as a person who doesn't watch her beside random clips or the monopoly collabs with the boys before they "left", all I knew her for was the inhumane ways of eating the subway and for something about her removing some ribs, which to me is crazy just thinking about it.
Bonnivier Pranaja was one of the many Nijisanji ID vtuber I've watched during COVID. His gaming skill and charisma is amazing. Kinda sad seeing him graduating without having a graduation stream, but I guess it's a given since he hasn't been streaming for a long time too. Dude's probably busy and I wish him success in his future endeavours. Good luck, Mr. Fisherman!
Memes never really die. They may get old, but they don't die.
they do tho, lots of 2010s memes arent seen
@@Darkstormsun9865 Thats not dead..people always bring back old memes every now and then, they're just temporarily forgotten until they're brought up again.
kronii with all due respect doing something that dumb will always haunt you.
Even more now 🤦♂️
I expected Bobon to graduate. He's been streaming on an alt account recently with some other ID talents. Hopefully he has all the success in the world.
I haven't realized it's been over a year since the Subway joke started. Damn I feel old
I completely understand and agree with Kronii.
Leave it to the internet to take something funny and run it into the ground until it not only stops being funny, but becomes downright annoying...
If your going twist someones joke that's meant to be a playful jab into "your defining me as this waah😫" that's some wild mental gymnastics despite the level of fans views and Donks you get and the support your company gives you get thicker skin
@@blinkyy4594 Looks like we found the unintelligent clown who keeps parroting a boring, unfunny joke. Did you get upset after being called out? Get thicker skin.
JDON has overstayed its welcome for me, probably after the first week.
The thing is though without government involvement, the Internet isn't gonna forget your memes, jokes, funny antics. Remember Ugandan Knuckles? It's still alive somewhere
@@BeyondDaXand I'm still enjoy the little guy every now and then
Kind of a weird thing to make specific mention of. Not really sure I agree that people are making it her Kronii's "whole" brand. Vtubers do a lot of weird shit that gets stuck in the zeitgeist, for her one of those things is subway blending. She did it as a joke, and it was effective as a joke; and if it's "not a big deal" why single it out specifically and say it makes you uncomfortable? Either it is a big deal and it does, or it's not and it doesn't. Again just a weird thing to have to address.
I love watching Kronii but the way she addressed that is so strange. Every vtuber stream is full of npc comments spamming the same memes over and over and she wants to forcibly erase one of them that she made herself? I completely understand "wanting to not make it her identity" and personally disliking it but it's literally bringing her more audience AND 🤑🤑🤑 through clips and npc comments referencing it every now and then doesn't make it her entire identity even if it's cringe as hell to see
Exactly. It's the internet. The internet is going to do its thing regardless of whether Kronii or anybody else likes it or not. I could see if she was facing legitimate issues like harassment (like what Watson is currently experiencing) but she complaining about a meme that, like you said, she created. It goes to show just how out of touch with reality she and a large portion of her fanbase who blindly agree with everything she says really are.
Well, maybe she shouldn't have brought it up in the first place if she didn't want people referencing it.
Wow!! Kronii has a certain way of speaking but in this situation she came of really bad. She sounded like a grade A witch. There is better ways to do this. Ina is a great example of how to do it.
facts
Dont care if kroni is upset about a dead meme. Addressing it will do nothing. The internet is gonna internet, get a thicker skin.
Bro Kronii's worst problem right now is people bringing up an old joke? What kind of first world problem is this, lmao? People over in Niji are burning on a sinking ship, having tax problems, have health issues. She's over here upset about a sandwich joke I can't even.
and people are dying of starvation somewhere so why make a big deal of a company having a awful working environment? and you are upset about someone else getting upset about a sanwich joke.
@@BioMatic2 True which makes her complaint even funnier. How much lower should we go? I mean, you're just proving my point of her complaint being stupid even more.
I purposely chose a comparison of people in a similiar position (Vtubers) as her who have it worse. The stuff you're talking about isnt even necessary to mention as its common sense that more horrific things are happening. I wanted to make the comparison fair, though, and used people in a position similar to her.
Online streaming entities will never be entitled enough to modulate the key of any conversation whether it be insults or otherwise.
I'm not someone who watches Kronii streams, but given some of the comments down here I suspect one of two things. One, she's overblowing how frequent the joke is coming up. Or two she's not done anything on that level of memorable since then.
what else are kroni fans supposed to talk about? her stream is about as eventful as a desert
Her appeal was her voice and her "ribbon." The former eventually stops being a novelty and she does her damndest to hide the latter.
So, indeed, there's nothing.
I mean, maybe she shouldn't have blended the subway sandwiches in the first place? Honestly, it's just such a memorably revolting thing to do that it's going to stick with you basically forever, and she should have known that. Kinda like the spider cooking thing, only Hachima ran with that one, but if she didn't encourage it, people would continue to reference what she did, because it was just that outlandish. No one else has eaten a spider on Hololive, and no one else blended subway sandwitches. She did it for the shock value, and now she's stuck with it. Tons of people end up the same way, many times against their wishes, like, let's take a really old one, The Star Wars Kid. He didn't want that video released to the public, but it was, and he got stuck with it.
Yeah, it feels a bit petty to think someone is malicious for beating a dead horse or getting upset over people engaging with content you made yourself. I think it would be better overall to just keep ignoring it instead of making a statement that tries to retroactively claim that "the joke was never funny! didn't you get the memo?". Like yeah I'm not slapping my knee and wheezing when someone calls Fubuki a cat but it's clear that a lot of people just aren't daily watchers and will then resort to the common denominator to communicate somehow. Someone else mentioned that when Irys had her debut there were some attempts to make IRS jokes, but it never caught on at all since she completely stonewalled it. I'm just a filthy clip watcher so I don't really care either way at the end of the day.
It doesn't help that Kronii only has maybe one or two other slightly interesting memes in her community that stand out, so of course people are gonna harp on the one actually interesting thing for so long.
@@XT873 I believe this is due to Kronii being upset the entire stream. With people reacting weirdly with the lack of booba in her new outfit.
Compound this with people sending her supas talking about "forgetting timezones," mentioning the subway saga unprompted, which leads me to believe that this is her indirect way of saying she regrets doing that stream.
What really broke the camel's back though is chat saying in a really sardonic way that she's "pretty sassy today" which if one understands social cues, would only make the person in question even more upset especially coming from strangers such as chat.
Yeah what Kronii did was so unbelievably unique and iconic that it unfortunately got stuck with her
Well obviously Kroni doesnt like people making the joke anymore so two options a) not saying anything and hope it does away b) say something an hope people listen. She tried a it did not work now she tries b....
I think this will take care of about 90% of people making the joke that probably just did not know how she felt about it and also makes it easy to identify the remaining 10% that dont give a shit so that she can not give a shit about them also.
I had no idea there was a Subway joke going in Kronii's community. I thought it was going to be about the "big bow" joke.
The last time i recall a subway joke was the recent SNOT collab, but it was really more of a "GuMei gag" about the tuna subs.
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I do have to say that I'm sorry Kroni, but that's now how it works. This whole situation reminds me of the whole debacle with Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris hated for the longest time the Chuck Norris jokes and did took some legal action against some sites. It was until the expendables that he finally came down to accept it as part of him. One does not control the meme, the meme is controlled by the fans and addressing it doesn't stop people from using it, but makes it worse.
It's interesting how money changes people's opinion on things. I'm sure kronii wasn't this angry about the dead old stale subway jokes when she made bank by streaming herself blending sandwiches and drinking them. She wasn't this hostile to the other hololive talents who made subway jokes at her either because collabing with them is worth more than some stupid paypig to her.
Kronii doesn't really have the ability to stop people doing what they think is funny.
Yes she does. She will order her mods to ban or time out people.
You forget that Kronii has mods to ban people if they make that subway meme joke
@@jaredvilla4642 How classy. 😎 Didn't you underestimate the size of the internet a little bit? 😉
@@jaredvilla4642 You forgot the size of the internet and the Streisand effect.😊
I'm surprised the Subway joke was even still a thing. I'd totally forgot it happened
how did Kiara spoil things when it seemed like she was learning the news from the chat LOL how the fuck did chat know then?
The fans already knew because of Advents schedules and all of them taking breaks/traveling. Pretty much the chat already knew but because Kiara talked a little bit about it they just think she confirmed it. It’s really dumb that people think she spoiled anything
@@niconojuegos Seems like another case of Kiara antis nitpicking.
@@JustinT2 pretty much!
I didn't even know the joke was still a thing
Had not realized how few hololive clips ive gotten lately. Been overrun by phase connect in my recommended so have lot of catching up to do.
Oh no Niji lost another member?
What a shame, heck we still hadnt forgotten lol.
🎊 oh no... not another member, curse you nijisanji
They destroyed the Id branch a long time ago.
I am not sure if any of them actively stream.
@@secret7246 there's that one girl who still does i forgot the name but she's still there
@@akira8393 hanna machia.
Unfortunately for Kronii, her attempt to act funny and grab attention of viewers now is stuck to her image. There's no more "boundaries" about will be said after you share it with thousands of viewers.
@ManWithFace changing opinions is fine. Demanding boundaries after giving so much freedom and talking crap to grab and hold an audience and giving content for fans to develop parasocial relationships is counterintuitive. It's not a matter of being incomprehensible, it's just common sense with "celebrities".
Also, you're one month late on your reply, mate.
@ManWithFace Because at this point, no one cares anymore... I certainly don't.
Didn’t realise he was into esports (then again I only saw one of his streams and that was he day after day Coco graduated) I guess that’s why he got on well with Selen? I wonder if he would get on with Dokibird too?
hardly
I’m kind of glad bonbon is released from the shackles! It would be amazing to see them reconnect with doki or mishi! I know those three played games together a few times and always enjoyed him!
kroni bringing attention to subway sandwich might make it worse. Also where is she ego surfing cause I don't recall anyone mentioning subway thing in a long time
Everyone knows the best way to get someone to stop teasing you about something is to let them know how much it bothers you.
Yeah, It's really uncomfortable to interact with things you don't like,
But she addressed that though. She said that the people who she actually cared about would realise that she didn't like it and stop, and that she didn't care about the ones who'd do it just for the sake of being annoying and just wanted her actual fans to know that she'd like them to stop.
And surely if you actually care about someone you'd stop being an annoying little sh*t to them when they asked you to stop and were clearly genuinely bothered, right? Otherwise you probably didn't care all that much
@@HyattHyatt3179 What did she address? That it bothers her but she doesn't care anyway but enough to actually mentioning it - ban people over it? Sure, you don't care about someone if you don't treat her like a snowflake over a bit of banter, considering she brought that upon herself. Isn't that being a little shit?🤔
one of my fav Niji iD gamers Om Bobon going to grad not realy suprised cus he already showing how he not realy enjoying time after selen gone, but obviously the reason why he's on another job.. so now there's only 5 Remaining Member from Niji Id, Hana, Rai, Layla, Nagisa, Etna.
realy end of era..
jokes are jokes, people will remember the subways thing in a few years, laught and move on. why make it so problematic?
Tbh i forgot about the subway meme completely. And I was there when she started it
"joke"? "brand"? "meme"? Nah bro,that was a thing that happened. Literally just something she did.
It’s funny that’s what she doesn’t like anymore lol. I guess it really is just because it’s played out.
I do think she could’ve told people to knock it off without getting just a bit dramatic, but like, that’s kronii
I do think the fans do need to let some jokes die after awhile. Just like Towa, the whole angel thing was kinda cute at first and then she’s like “uh sure okay…” when they just keep going.
smh. You know, Kronii does make it real hard to like sometimes. maybe she should put herself into situations like that anymore.
Actually, now thinking about what Michi said about her past workplace, I think it sort of makes sense why Niji ID graduations have been happening en masse, specifically talking about the debt trap. Michi said she was lucky with it, but perhaps that's why a lot of Niji ID talents have been dropping out of the company, because it wasn't just a 1 person thing, but incompetence over dealing with an entire branch of livers.
Ohh poor Kronii, it's called a community meme and every streamer has one. Well the ones that actually see there community as more than open wallets do anyway, some community memes have been ongoing since 2012 for fuck sake.
Just because some vtubers have no spine doesn't mean kronii isn't allowed to stand up for herself and set boundaries. Jokes are jokes when their funny but years of constant bullying and sexual harassment is going way too far.
She really does see her "community" as nothing more than a resource pit to extract from. The fact people still give money to such arrogant, unlikeable b***hes who berate their fans for something as petty as jokes THEY CREATED is a testament to just how screwed our society is today.
@@saysalla since when blending subway becoming running joke is a sexual harassments? by that logic wouldn't Ame's groundpounding your mom is also counted as one too?
god damn it kronii why did she had to bring subway up? i did forgot about it
so being a "kroni" and a "part of the community" is something to strive for? and she uses that as leverage to control their behavior? i dont really care about these perceived boundaries. Shes been gettin an attitude tellin someone in chat that they were a pre pubescent boy and to get out for mentioning "holy booba" about her new outfit. THis is why the jp ones are better or newer streamers that havent gotten an attitude like Nerissa
Exactly. Maybe it's just me, but she sounded more like she was telling her paypigs how they had to act in order to have the privilege to watch her than she did somebody who was just "setting boundaries". Kiara and Calli did it much better.
Some people just love drama.
tbh, I'd forgotten about the whole subway thing
I mean idk why it would even be a "surprise" if they were in Japan. The 3 members of Advent NOT ALREADY IN JAPAN all taking a break at the same time and 2 of them having off-collabs for an entire week?
Just another Tuesday in vtuber community
But its Wednesday
Doesn't Kronii have a subway sandwich on the desk in her room background? Oh, but don't mention it 🙄
i dont think telling people to stop memeing you is going to stop them
Kiara may have slipped up with not knowing they hadn’t said that yet but the people mad about it should stop pretending they’re perfect.
The other girls themselves don’t seem mad at all themselves so don’t be mad for people who aren’t mad.
Not like “in Japan” is specific anyways.
Plus I’m sure cover knows how to keep their talents safe at the office and wherever they use for temp lodgings, not like they can’t afford somewhere with security if that’s the issue.
I mean, it's understandable on why she's tired of the hole subway meme.
But I wouldn't find it annoying if it was brought up.
I don't believe that people who do use those kinds of memes are trying to be negative with them.
However,she said her peace and hope things don't get worse from here.
The joke only dies when the fan base says it dies
As much as I hate it, its true. I'm still seeing the joke of "I liked it when they appeared and said its _ing time" meme format from morbius and it should've died a LONG time ago.
Not 100% true, Kiara told us KFP she did not appreciate the bottom left jokes and it is practically gone from her streams
@@darthjc4 finally someone with a brain and who doesn't go apeshit on me for making a comment
@@gillettedave people still make them though not just on her streams. Same is gonna happen with kronii...the jokes dies when fans are tired of them.
Very shitty fanbase then.
Kroni is never gonna live that down.
She did what she did. You can't control other people. If they want to joke about it, they will. Mentioning it will make it worse.
Is this joke seriously still so prevalent that it was worth actively addressing? I can understand Ina bringing up the "Ina's back" thing and wanting to put a stop to it because half the comments she was receiving were just that nonstop. I had no idea Kronii's subway was prevalent to anywhere near the same degree.
it's because her approach to streaming don't really make iconic moments: subway, blended subway, her randomly occurring coomerbait appeal. Though i suppose she now has this where 2 streams in a row she blew up at chat unprompted.
Heh, well... there are always some new fans, that are watching old videos and then mentioning things from them in chat. This joke maybe dead for Kronii, but for some people it is a fresh experience... sad, that it makes her uncomfortable, but it barelly will stop
Unfortunately this is the internet... like I'm sure pewdiepie would want nothing more than for people to stop making jokes about him and bridges.
and to be honest people respectfully did stop making jokes about it
Kronii needs to get over it. She did something stupid,, most people have forgotten about it as well. Just ignore the message or delete it. Doesn't help her attitude has dive bombed.
Kronii: Thinks a joke would die after a few months.
Internet: 'First time?'
On one hand, I'm happy Bonni is finally free from hell.
On the other hand, I'm still seething with rage remembering how stupid Niji was merging ID to EN and firing ID's manager. So many programs already planned fwent down the drain just becauss someone doesn't want their ego got bruised any further.
Not with EN, with JP
I love Bobon, but he had practically no viewers and no support from the company. He was probably only still going because his living situation was so bad and this was supposed to be his biggest chance to do what he loves. Like, even while working for "the biggest vtuber company in the world" he was describing his life like he was working part-time to support his whole family. I really wish this had been the opportunity he was probably expecting, and I hope he finds a path in life that allows him to live comfortably.
About the Kronii thing, I unsubscribed a very long time ago, but something tells me it's a combination of older clips still having traction and the community still rehashing that old and stale joke (just like a blended Subway) being a sign there isn't much else worth noting going on with her these days.
Usually memes and clips get replaced with newer stuff unless the channel isn't really generating anything new anymore. (But again, I unsubbed a very long time ago, so what do I know.)
Couldn't have said it better myself.
She should strive to bury this dated joke with amazing streams / achievements rather than asking her fans to cool it.
Bibu was the one that said she going to stream as much as she can first year before her and the Advent girls need to start joining everyone else in doing projects
I think one of the reasons FuwaMocco moved to Japan was so the extra Studio time won't cut into the flow of their daily show and they dont need to do the 2x-4x flight to Japan every year like Gura and Bae(who have since moved to Japan) have to do
Its also probably why they want a Studio and Office in the U.S. for the EN girls that way their down time from jet lag and 12 hour studio days 6 days a Week for a month isnt 2-3 months recovery(Yes,I mean Gura doing Ads,special apperances and PR for Japan stuff as Hololive unofficial Mascott)
Jesus, who made that horrible mouth rig animation for subway girl
Personally I think Kronii overreacted with the whole 'Not part of the community ' thing but I can agree that it is a long dead meme & trying to make it her brand, especially when she's just getting irritated by it, is cringe. Better to keep the dead memes in the more private spaces. I don't think it is wrong to personally still enjoy the subway meme.