Sea Power - The Missile Trap

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  • @prollins6443
    @prollins6443 หลายเดือนก่อน +408

    Jingles, you need to teach 'Weapons tight' to Flambass. He likes to start the match "weapons free" and is surprised when his ships instantly start to launch everything at everyone!

    • @Julius_Hardware
      @Julius_Hardware หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      That's how Jingles played Cold Waters. Total panic!

    • @marknelson2073
      @marknelson2073 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      To be fair to Flambass he set the Air Defence status to “weapon’s free” and then harpoons and tomahawks were launched. 😂

    • @21babydew
      @21babydew หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      @@marknelson2073 yea air defense status is bugged. it controls every weapon

    • @samsadowitz1724
      @samsadowitz1724 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Flambass's fleet definitely saw torpedo boats, and they are coming from all directions (everywhere). 😂

    • @gunslingerluckytankijunky
      @gunslingerluckytankijunky หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@Julius_Hardware anyone who hasn't played cold waters that way hasn't done a hard mission. anyone would slam the panic button the minute the AI saturates the water with torpedos.

  • @thornefroemming7796
    @thornefroemming7796 หลายเดือนก่อน +335

    I was a Navy GMM and worked on the Terrier system on USS Sterett (CG-31), USS MacDonough (DDG-39) and USS King (DDG-41). The callout is "Birds Away" followed by the track number. This not only lets everyone on the net know that you fired, but also which hostile you are firing at.

    • @gilraine1225
      @gilraine1225 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      my dad was a FC on the King.

    • @thornefroemming7796
      @thornefroemming7796 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@gilraine1225 What years? I was on King 1985 - 1989.

    • @gilraine1225
      @gilraine1225 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thornefroemming7796 82-86 i think

    • @gilraine1225
      @gilraine1225 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thornefroemming7796 82-86 i think

    • @Vinemaple
      @Vinemaple หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I notice the voice acting has a different line for the harpoons: "Bulldog away." Is that for surface-to-surface?

  • @shrikes45
    @shrikes45 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

    As requested: I think that your ships are using the correct NATO Brevity code for friendly SAMs: "Bird"; "Birds Away". "Fox 1" is an air-to-air semi-active homing missile. "Vampire" is a hostile anti-ship missile.The launch of a friendly anti-ship missile is "Bruiser"

    • @ijsthee2000
      @ijsthee2000 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      If i may, according to the Multiservice tactical brevity code list on Wikipedia, Bruiser means "Friendly air-launched anti-ship missile" and Bulldog means "Friendly surface/submarine-launched anti-ship missile"

    • @shrikes45
      @shrikes45 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@ijsthee2000 Thank you. I stand corrected. =)

  • @piritskenyer
    @piritskenyer หลายเดือนก่อน +230

    "What is that? Oh, probably a civilian airliner."
    *USS Vincennes going to general quarters noises*

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Sadly several careers were ended because of that fiasco....

    • @HK-er7wf
      @HK-er7wf หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@Tank50us what careers? The captain and the CIC crew got medals after the tour

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@HK-er7wf From what I understand the Captain, XO, and TAO were either dismissed or black listed from promotions. For the captain that was a done deal, he was screwed no matter what he did. He could've ordered them to hold fire... at which point he'd be reprimanded for not engaging a possible threat to the ship (a captains first responsibility is to their ship), and obviously he got reprimanded for engaging not just because he shot down a civilian airliner, but because he disobeyed his main order and chased the boghammers into Iranian Waters.

    • @HK-er7wf
      @HK-er7wf หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@Tank50us the aircraft wasn't a threat though, aegis data showed the contact was climbing, it was purely confirmation bias and the captain was acting like a cowboy all tour. Don't know about promotions but they certainly got medals and the US didn't even apologize
      Imagine if it was Iran shooting down a US airliner

    • @jacobpfeifertrains1998
      @jacobpfeifertrains1998 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@Tank50us it was deemed justified. The captain even waited till the very last second to shoot

  • @NotTheCIA1961
    @NotTheCIA1961 หลายเดือนก่อน +142

    lol, Mk 1 Eyeball is tagged as a visual sensor. I love it.

    • @CommodoreRayne.IMP.C-1824
      @CommodoreRayne.IMP.C-1824 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Where abouts did you see that? Timestamp?

    • @patyomkin666
      @patyomkin666 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@CommodoreRayne.IMP.C-1824 19:08. Full context from 17:30 ish

    • @Vinemaple
      @Vinemaple หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It's a classic military joke, older than NSN numbers

  • @waynelaut7830
    @waynelaut7830 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    Two things first I bet your helicopter pilot was glad he wore the brown pants when the phoenix was coming in and secondly that was a master class in explanation of how naval operations work I hope you do many more like this. 👍

  • @aron_99
    @aron_99 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

    Jingles! Been here for 11 years and your Sea Power videos are my favourite youtube series to watch . There's something you bring to this game with your Navy background, keep them coming, much appreciated!

    • @LordOfCinder85
      @LordOfCinder85 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think he should do a collab with Jive Turkey. In my opinion, him and Jingles are the two most interesting Sea Power streamers.

    • @Corsair37
      @Corsair37 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LordOfCinder85 Their commentary would play nicely off each other and be hilarious :)
      Also, in one of his videos Jive Turkey credits Jingles with kickstarting his followers, by watching one of his videos (or twitch streams).

    • @Vinemaple
      @Vinemaple หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, Jingles is definitely not sucking at this game, and it's surprisingly refreshing, lol

  • @firestarteronyoutube5542
    @firestarteronyoutube5542 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    33:56 he just said it haha!
    "Birds away" is "I've just lobbed a SAM" at someone.

  • @wstavis3135
    @wstavis3135 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    Jingles, the Iranians reverse engineered the AIM-54 and produced a homegrown version called the Fakour-90. Arming their remaining Tomcats isn't a problem for them. Their current problem is spare parts.

    • @CallioNyx
      @CallioNyx หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's kinda funny they basically named it 'fakk u!'

    • @kisaragi_san1378
      @kisaragi_san1378 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Fakour-90 only was ready for mass production in 2011.

    • @kilianortmann9979
      @kilianortmann9979 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And before that, they put a modified version of the HAWK Surface to Air missile on the glove pylons, at least for trials.

  • @Therod911
    @Therod911 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    I got to say, I love these longer video's of a slower paced war game. The extra information on various military subjects is great.

    • @camsfishingaddiction
      @camsfishingaddiction หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I seriously redcommend his cold waters videos. They’re so good, ive watched them multiple times. Alot of classic jingles moments aswell.
      Wish he would go back to it, been trying to spam it for years

    • @Therod911
      @Therod911 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@camsfishingaddiction I fully agree. I loved those videos and it got me playing Cold Waters myself as well.

    • @camsfishingaddiction
      @camsfishingaddiction หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Therod911 we can dream😪

  • @Seth90
    @Seth90 หลายเดือนก่อน +181

    actually, the AIM-54 in the game should be the earliest A-variant of the missile. Meaning it's not really a true active-radar homing missile (yet).
    The launching aircraft still had to guide the missile for most of its flight, only in the terminal phase (the last 10 - 15 seconds or so before impact) the missile would switch to its own seeker and track the target independently. If the launching aircraft losses target lock at any point before that, the missile would go dumb and never hit anything.
    This only changed with later versions of the missile!

    • @reinbeers5322
      @reinbeers5322 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      That was still true for later models and even the AMRAAM, their onboard radar cannot track a target from their maximum range away.

    • @Seth90
      @Seth90 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@reinbeers5322 Obviously, the smaller seeker in a missile has a far shorter range compared to the radar in the nose of an aircraft, but that wasn't what I was talking about! The difference is in what happen if the launching aircraft loses their target lock. Modern Fox-3 missiles (as well as later variant of the Phoenix) would switch to their own seeker, continuing on to the enemy's last known position and lock-on to whatever ends up in their line of sight. However, the early AIM-54A requires the command from the Tomcat to "go pitbull". Without this signal, the missile's own radar won't turn on and no handover will take place, leaving the missile on a ballistic trajectory until it falls out of the sky (or potentially self-destruct, not sure on that one).

  • @Darknamja
    @Darknamja หลายเดือนก่อน +240

    Those aren't CH-47 Chinooks. Those are CH-46 Sea Knights. 😉

    • @obinator9065
      @obinator9065 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      stop lying regen

    • @Focusonbehind
      @Focusonbehind หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Exactly. Wolfpack was also wrong about that.

    • @crazywarriorscatfan9061
      @crazywarriorscatfan9061 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@Focusonbehind Well, didn't Wolf call it a CH-46 Chinook haha

    • @Pincer88
      @Pincer88 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Ah well, sailors thinking: if it quacks like a duck and broadly looks like one, it must be a duck. Potato, potaato. 🤭

    • @jcorbett9620
      @jcorbett9620 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Uncle Jingles keeping up his famous and well-known tradition of miss-identifying everthing he sees. Ships, tanks, planes... all fair game. At least he didn't (miss) identify them as 747s! lol

  • @mortonssaltytears4496
    @mortonssaltytears4496 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    The term for baiting aircraft into a SAM ring to engage them, is known as the SAMBUSH. Also, “Birds away” is the typical comm brevity used with NATO. when friendly SAMs are being launched.

    • @theAessaya
      @theAessaya หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The funny part is the ship's radio operator said the phrase at least _twice,_ and once immediately after Jingles talked about it and said "write it in the comments" :D
      Oh Jingles, never change.

  • @vollelektrolysierer5773
    @vollelektrolysierer5773 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Game: "Birds away!
    Jingles: "I wonder what the brevity code is for a Surface-to-air-missile"
    Game: " *Birds away!* "
    Jingles: "It might be Fox-1".
    We love you, Jingles.

  • @adammullarkey4996
    @adammullarkey4996 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    8:20 Don't overestimate SAMs, Jingles. Ask the Coventry how well it's 40nm Sea Darts worked on the 25th May 1982. Admittedly that was more the limitations of the radar than the missile, but the point stands.

    • @Ushio01
      @Ushio01 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't compare the garbage the UK uses with US weapons!
      The RN losses in the Falklands were an embarrasment and shows the problem of nationalism in weapons procurement instead of buying the best which are US weapons.

  • @jamesscott6917
    @jamesscott6917 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This game, like Harpoon did, might give the Navy some interesting “red team” ideas or scenarios that they haven’t thought of.

  • @Goalieat40
    @Goalieat40 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Currently serving Naval Electronic Sensor Operator with RCN.
    Birds is friendly surface to air.
    APP 7 Nato Brevity is the unclass PUB with all the codewords

  • @michaelbrashears8293
    @michaelbrashears8293 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    Hope we get some more Sea Power videos!!!

  • @gyrene_asea4133
    @gyrene_asea4133 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Ha! That was my squadron pictured @1:22 , the CH-46 of HMM-262 with designation ET, Echo Tango. And yes, we caught a lot of grief because of the damn movie "E.T., phone home"! We were 1st Marine Brigade at Kaneohe, HI and ended up on Tarawa for her first West-Pac Deployment. The squadron was the last front-line user of the Phrog before transitioning to the Osprey. Now operating out of Okinawa.

    • @donniemontoya9300
      @donniemontoya9300 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Before my time, but I was stationed MCAS Kaneohe Bay for 5 years just recently, HSM-37 operating MH-60R. That's the most beautiful flight line in the world and I miss it. We still have Osprey squadrons holding it down though HMH-463, and HMLA-367 have since been decommissioned. Even USS Tarawa has since been sunk as part of RIMPAC Sinkex.

    • @gyrene_asea4133
      @gyrene_asea4133 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@donniemontoya9300 Yep, old fart here. But, I do remember the helo flight line (was once used for PBYs and other amphibs) and the pure drama of the mountains at the lagoon. What a place! HMLA-367 supplied the N model Hueys and Cobras out of California (Pendelton?) for our deployments in the '70s. We never deployed with HMH-463 in our Composite Squadron that I recall.

    • @jamesray4999
      @jamesray4999 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My dad was with 262 from 1980 to 83. I loved living on base at MCAS Kanaohe. I have a lot of good memories of that time.

  • @KeyserDK
    @KeyserDK หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I loved and enjoyed your Cold Waters series, so really hope this turns into a new series, one can always hope.
    Say hello to the cats

  • @TerrorMango
    @TerrorMango หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jingles asking for the US brevity code and in the meanwhile you just hear "Birds away" constantly :D
    Never change Jingles!

  • @greenerion
    @greenerion หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    @The Mighty Jingles, the brevity code word for surface to air missile being launched is actually what the AI says in the game...birds away. Same goes for Surface to surface, the AI gets it right : Bulldogs away". When in doubt, just pull up good old APP-7 XD

  • @telecleez
    @telecleez หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    The Grumman F-14 Tomcat was designed as an air-to-air fighter and interceptor, but it was also capable of carrying a variety of air-to-ground ordnance (Though I think most of this was in the mid to late 80's or 90's):
    Mk-80 series GP bombs: The F-14 was cleared to carry all modern American general purpose bombs in this series.
    Mk-20 Rockeye cluster bomb: The F-14 was cleared to carry this cluster bomb.
    5” Zuni folding-fin aircraft rocket (FFAR): The F-14 was cleared to carry this rocket.
    Guided bomb unit (GBU) versions of the Mk-80 series bombs: The F-14 was cleared to carry some laser guided versions of these bombs.
    CBU cluster bombs: The F-14 could carry these cluster bombs.
    Also the Iranian's actually converted some SAM missiles that they have (they're kind of like HAWK SAM missiles) to take the place of the AIM-54.

    • @setesh1294
      @setesh1294 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The F-14Ds in the opening years of the GWOT carried JDAMs and Paveways as well as the Lantirn TGP.

    • @IO-hh2fz
      @IO-hh2fz หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Grumman also fit checked Harpoon missiles and iirc even did some flight testing with a captive carry (inert) missile. The USN wasn't interested however (they had enough A-6's and S-3's for Harpoon slinging) so it never went anywhere.

    • @Whiskey-Teaz
      @Whiskey-Teaz หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      the Paveway Series was only present on the F-14B and F-14D series, the F-14A which Iran has, didn't have them
      And the Converted HAWK missiles used are the Fakour 90 (bassically a Phoenix with massive acceleration) and the Sedjil, (Imagine a SARH Phoenix) they also utilise the Yasser Rocket, basically a M117 750lb Bomb fitted with a HAWK Missile motor

    • @jagx234
      @jagx234 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Bombcats!

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Whiskey-Teaz F-14As could and did use the GBUs during the GWOT as they (and the Bs/Ds) had the range to hit the targets that the Hornets couldn't. The "Alley Cats" are probably more accurately dubbed F-14ir since they've made so many changes to the frames they have left that they barely resemble the F-14 any more.

  • @BsKB1000
    @BsKB1000 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    YEAAAAAAHHHH A bonus Sunday JINGLES video!
    Loving my day already! Hope you have a good weekend, Mighty Old Man!

  • @VekhGaming
    @VekhGaming หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Guess we found another game where Rear Admiral Jingles is not crap.
    Lets see if that changes in the full game.

  • @darthvadersith514
    @darthvadersith514 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Actually Jingles, those are CH-46 Sea Knights, not CH-47 Chinooks. There are several ways you can tell the difference visually. The main two are that the Chinook is bigger and that the Chinook had 4 sets of landing gear while the Sea Knight had only 3. Confusing the two is a common mistake.
    Excellent video! Hope to see more of this game!

    • @jagx234
      @jagx234 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Chinook green or black, Sea Knight gray(extremely limited number of green ones with a white stripe for HMX-1, not something fleet folks would see)

    • @jamesray4999
      @jamesray4999 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jagx234They used to all be green. Then they went to a grey/green camo scheme, then to low vis grey.

  • @urbypilot2136
    @urbypilot2136 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The USS Belleau Wood and her escorts were the US Navy’s representatives during the 50th Anniversary of the Lyet landings. She and her group were parked off shore for more than a week leading up to thecelebrations. Her Marine Corp compliment and Sea Bees came ashore to our small seaside town and did some civic-military activities. I was a HS student back then, and seeing all those harware left me in awe. And that entire week whenever I went to the beach her form was silhoeutted on the horizon. She was a majestic sight as she performed air ops with her Chinooks.

    • @gyrene_asea4133
      @gyrene_asea4133 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Birds were 'Sea Knights', CH-46 of the Marines and Navy. U.S. Army flew CH-47 Chinooks w/4 sets of landing wheels and just bigger. If Philippines Air Units had Chinooks, no reason they couldn't have cycled in to land and take off from an LHA, which had pretty big flight decks.

  • @terry58501
    @terry58501 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I was on USS Belleau Wood (LHA-3) for my first WestPac from Jan-Jun '89. It's just as well you didn't mention her 5'50 guns. I deployed with her a few times but never once had any destroyers or frigates as escort. Luckily during my cruise the Soviets took pity on our plight and sent one of their destroyers to escort us. That destroyer ensured our safety further by launching her helicopter to overfly our flight deck. This action may or may not have resulted in numerous rude gestures and commentary from the crew and embarked troops on the Belleau Wood. Cobras were launched that day. Later on in the cruise the Soviets were kind enough to check in on us by sending out a Bear bomber to overfly us. Harriers escorted that one.

  • @theAessaya
    @theAessaya หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    "I'm reasonably sure it's not an Airbus" -- never ceases to amuse me :D

    • @javidson7534
      @javidson7534 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
      Some navies seem to have trouble telling the difference.

  • @mpersad
    @mpersad หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I was only just thinking how much I loved the Sunday bonus videos and then...POW! Went onto TH-cam and there you were! Huzzah!

  • @luked7525
    @luked7525 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    4:30
    A quick correction: The AV8B Harrier II was generally analogous (With admittedly notable differences) to the Sea Harriers of the Royal Navy, with many similar upgrades and a resultant increase in capability. They could use Fox 3 missiles due to their APG-65 radars. (I believe first AV8Bs were built without radars, but all eventually had them retrofitted in around the same time the Sea harriers got their AIM-120 capability)
    I believe the harriers that you are thinking about are the AV8A/C Harriers, which are essentially American versions of the Gr.3 I am not sure of the AV8B is in the game, but all the harriers I have seen used so far have been AV8As.
    The AV8B reached IOC in 1985, so it would be available during the time frame of this scenario.

    • @MrGtubedude
      @MrGtubedude หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yea I noticed that too.

  • @genjator
    @genjator หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I was listening to Red Storm Rising when I watched your videos of this and it gave me a much better visualization of what was going on in the books during the naval fights. And made me more excited to see more videos on this game!

  • @tremendousbaguette9680
    @tremendousbaguette9680 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I really enjoyed Jane's Fleet Command, back in the days, but I see the game has no choice but to keep some fundamentals like insta Borg-spotting (once one unit spots something, everybody on the map knows about it but in all justice, it applies to us players as well) and instant battle damage assessment. Dangerous Waters was I suppose closer from actual experience, but perhaps you'd want to tell us.

    • @Corsair37
      @Corsair37 หลายเดือนก่อน

      NTDS is your friend.

  • @Rh0dan1970
    @Rh0dan1970 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Did the Reuben James not star in a Clancy book? A British captain having a good laugh at the name?

    • @Tankbuster0524
      @Tankbuster0524 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Sure did; in arguably the best of Clancy’s works, Red Storm Rising ;)

    • @rcrawford42
      @rcrawford42 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      "Isn't it a kind of sandwich?"

    • @DamnYankee-rg8pg
      @DamnYankee-rg8pg หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Reuben James also made an appearance in "The Hunt for Red October".

    • @firestarteronyoutube5542
      @firestarteronyoutube5542 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I've been going round seeing whether RSR ships are in the book!
      USS Pharris is also in game too!

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@DamnYankee-rg8pg what's funny about that is that HFRO and RSR both take place before the Reuben James was even launched XD

  • @kholdanstaalstorm6881
    @kholdanstaalstorm6881 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is so squarely in Jingles corner, slow paced with sudden bursts of action and a lot of stuff to talk about.
    Perfection!

  • @wastelander89
    @wastelander89 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love this game and your video on it. I really hope to see more sea power on your channel. Plus with u having naval experience it brings a lot more to the videos. I really enjoyed the knowledge you have and commentary on the video. Thanks for talking about rhe aim 54. I had no idea they couldn't fire. Untill they had vision on target. 19:31

  • @bLock_c1pher_Gaming
    @bLock_c1pher_Gaming หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    man i feel like a bucket of nails when i read the comments and the conversation is outta my level of undestanding, so here's my response, Have a great Sunday Jingles, take care man. :)

  • @charliecussans7638
    @charliecussans7638 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Two things:
    Those are AV-8A Harriers, not AV-8B Harriers, comparable to RAF Harrier GR.1/3s.
    Also, the Pheonix proved to be devastatingly effective in Iranian service.

  • @dustinshadle732
    @dustinshadle732 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In 12 years, I think this is the best Sunday surprise video. I love seeing you excited enough to put in a Sunday video, but this is a video that showcases things from my lifetime, so it tends to keep more interest. Always a pleasure, Sir.

  • @goranhenriksson6468
    @goranhenriksson6468 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Shout out to you Jingles, forwarding greetings from Claus Kellerman, who told some funny stories where you was the star 😂

    • @Keklord_
      @Keklord_ หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Isn't that the russian bias rage guy?

    • @goranhenriksson6468
      @goranhenriksson6468 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @ Correct. Canadian fellow, who is very funny when he comment on different games in WoT. His mind wanders all over the place 😊

  • @ferallion3546
    @ferallion3546 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hope you’ll do more SP vids.
    I was a GMG (gunnersmate guns) back in the early 90’s.
    I wish I could help you out with the the launch command for GMMs (GM missiles).
    On our end we would receive the command “batteries release, batteries release.”

  • @pinkyandbrain123
    @pinkyandbrain123 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Tom Clancy / Red Storm Rising: „what the hell is a Reuben James?“

    • @der7tezwerg921
      @der7tezwerg921 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Not your Mom-In-Law. That's for shure. ;)

    • @mathiasfischbach4843
      @mathiasfischbach4843 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Well, at least they didn't name the ship after their nasty mother in law.

    • @pinkyandbrain123
      @pinkyandbrain123 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      HMS Battleaxe 😊

    • @mrbrand4720
      @mrbrand4720 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Love that book .

    • @hobo3813
      @hobo3813 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great book

  • @teddywoods6463
    @teddywoods6463 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jingles!! I seem to remember that the reason you needed eyeballs on before launching, was that they couldn’t guarantee target ids like they can today. And after the Korean Air shoot down, nobody wanted the headlines to read US Navy shoots down civilian airliner.

  • @kdog3908
    @kdog3908 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I don't know if the game simulates it but dropping your helos to the deck was your best move. Air to air missile seekers, unless it is designed to pick out targets in surface clutter, will have a hard time getting a solid return off something flying that low. While the 'C' variant of the Phoenix was much improved in this regard, I think the 'A' used in the scenario would have a much harder time of it.

  • @Deltarious
    @Deltarious หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hi Jingles: About active radar homing missiles, most of them are not 'fire and forget'. Once the missile leaves the rail it needs instructions on where to go from the launch platform, when it reaches a pre-determined distance from the target (on some missiles like the AIM-54 this is programable) the missile will switch on it's seeker head and look for the target. This is called going 'pitbull' and at this point the missile is now self guiding and you can forget about it. This usually happens at a range of *arround* 10 nautical miles.
    Because this is the internet I need to put in the caveat that this is not true of all systems and *espetially* not of modern ones as things are changing a lot

  • @hornet8364
    @hornet8364 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Reuben James? at least its not named after someone's mother in law
    Red Storm Rising was the best clancy book btw

  • @Uzzah78
    @Uzzah78 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jingles, been listening to you for years and years now. Feels like they made this game specifically for your commentary and thoughts. I've enjoyed every single one of your videos on this game so far and look forward to more.

  • @Havok135
    @Havok135 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    They literally brought a knife to a gun fight at the end lol...
    Guess the guy giving the orders was like "wtf ever, send it all....."

  • @matthewwadwell6100
    @matthewwadwell6100 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wait up - the end summary page also had two F4 Phantoms listed as destroyed!

    • @argh1989
      @argh1989 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah I was wondering the same. Did I miss them being detected, identified and engaged? /Edit: I searched through the transcript, there is at least no mention of Phantoms other than when he briefly talked about Iran having both and how he'd prefer to encounter F-14s in this scenario.

  • @richarddyson4380
    @richarddyson4380 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had the privilege to serve for a couple of weeks on the USS Belleau Wood providing ATC liaison. Great ship, great crew and the 31st MEU were BLOODY impressive! As an Air Force chappie, I came away with new-found respect for Navy personnel and their capabilities. BZ and thank you for your service.

  • @TrickiVicBB71
    @TrickiVicBB71 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was an awesome showcase of SeaPower. Great bonus video today. Thank you Jingles

  • @kylehaggard7348
    @kylehaggard7348 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Jingles talking about Sea Power vs anything wargaming is night and day

  • @poundingthepavementUSA
    @poundingthepavementUSA หลายเดือนก่อน

    bro keep doing these, cold waters was your best series and im loving this so much.

  • @jesuschristhomeslice9492
    @jesuschristhomeslice9492 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    In the US Navy, when we launch Tomahawks, we call them greyhounds

    • @ROFLtheWAFL
      @ROFLtheWAFL หลายเดือนก่อน

      The game seems to call out the launches by target type. Missiles firing against air targets are called out "Birds away", against surface targets as "Bulldog away", and against land targets as "Greyhound away". And I know it's target type, because you can use an SM-2 against all three and it'll get called differently depending on the target.

  • @TheGamerUnknown
    @TheGamerUnknown หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loving these Sea Power videos. Your insight into the naval stuff is very interesting. :)

  • @EricDKaufman
    @EricDKaufman หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Yes!!!! Jingles playing Sea Power!!!
    the Phoenix is a great missile. But has a 0-3 record. Plus the two that just made jingles landings in the Arabian Gulf, that is 0-5.

    • @r.gilman4261
      @r.gilman4261 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I'm guessing you are not counting the Iranian usage of AIM-54...a lot more Iranina aces in the F14 than U.S. ones.

  • @aleksanderdomanski222
    @aleksanderdomanski222 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Actually, Jingles... As I understand, those failed missile launches were Sparrows not Phoenixes. (AMRAMs were introduced somewere in late 80's/early 90's). They (Sparrows) were not so good due to two factors. #1. pilots were kinda triggerhappy. They usually shoot Sparrows in situations where chances of hitting target were slim. Yea, they had a "lock" but often angles, speeds, g-forces were so bad that missile was simply unable to follow the target. #2. There also was another, bigger issue. Homing missile is very complex device. With lots of very precise mechanical and electrical components. It is designed to withstand lots of "abuse" (g-forces, vibrstions etc.) but over the time that adds up. Planes that carry those missile do lots of crazy stuff. In fact couple of shaky landings could do a thing. So, quite often those misslies were damaged after some time and even in perfect conditions were failing to work properly.
    Fun fact : today we aware of that so each missile has each one "mileage" (i don't know proper word), how many flight hours it takes before it become unreliable. After that it needs to be refurbished. Or scrapped. There is a practice that misslies near that mark are taken off flight inventory and given to ground to air defences where it is used as part of NASSAMS project.

  • @Chrinik
    @Chrinik หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nah, while the Phoenix is actively guided, you still have to guide them into within 8nm for the seeker to be able to track

  • @weztankersley2293
    @weztankersley2293 หลายเดือนก่อน

    appreciate you talking your way through this scenario. very helpful. Thanks!

  • @AlanBowyer-g2u
    @AlanBowyer-g2u หลายเดือนก่อน

    Finally Jingles I've been waiting all week for this video, great job very enjoyable please keep them coming

  • @Scoobydcs
    @Scoobydcs หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    900 knots is hauling arse, no matter what altitude

  • @stefanavic6630
    @stefanavic6630 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Too late I know, but with regards to -
    "I can't use the Helo RADAR because the Tomcats will then pick up those Helos"
    - I don't think it matters, the Tomcat radar is picking you up anyway (they do get a lock), and I'm not sure that an Iranian Tomcat/AIM-54 combo could use an enemy radar signal for a firing solution. You may as well have the helo radars turned on during the heat.
    I'm up to criticism of this, please be nice.

  • @AR-hi1hy
    @AR-hi1hy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    YESSSS I've been hoping for more of this! Thanks Gnome Overlord!

  • @blinky297
    @blinky297 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd love to sea more of this. Fascinating game and you always do such a good job of educating as you go.

  • @HuatZai888
    @HuatZai888 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Finally more Sea Power content !!

  • @mikedignum1868
    @mikedignum1868 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Bought it last week. looking forward to the designers adding the Royal Navy/Royal Air Force.

  • @nomadgaming-o7r
    @nomadgaming-o7r หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    must say watching anything with jingles comentary makes us all happy

  • @jannickreinhold4620
    @jannickreinhold4620 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am not usually one to write a comment on TH-cam vids but I just love your Sea Power Videos. So this is for the algorithm and here is hoping for many more of these.
    Would also love to see you creating your own scenario with the mission editor

  • @TrueCanad1an
    @TrueCanad1an หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jingles you better buy both those SH-2F chopper crews a bar worth of drinks.

  • @masterskilhollow
    @masterskilhollow หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "Actually, Jingles" the F-14 was never upgraded to carry the AMRAAM in service, so it would have been slinging AIM-7 Sparrows at targets they got close enough to identify.

    • @Tank50us
      @Tank50us หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      One was, and it was used to test the AMRAAM. The equipment used for the 'upgrade' was made available to the fleet, but the USN never had it deployed

    • @masterskilhollow
      @masterskilhollow หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Tank50us Right, the testing unit. I probably should have specified that I meant the fleet wasn't upgraded to carry AMRAAM, not that no Tomcat ever did.

  • @MJBrown2010
    @MJBrown2010 หลายเดือนก่อน

    More of these videos Jingles, enjoy your insight and information you share.

  • @lhiannonshee
    @lhiannonshee หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this! Would really love for you to do more Sea Power vids, Jingles.

  • @ShredderJR
    @ShredderJR หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very excited to see another sea power video from you, hope we get more soon

  • @onenote6619
    @onenote6619 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Another way to trick long-range missiles is to dive and force the missile to lose altitude (also energy). Then, once the motor burns out, you rapidly climb and hope that the rocket doesn't have enough grunt left to keep up.

  • @KyleTwarog-g8w
    @KyleTwarog-g8w 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the video.
    One point on the radar horizon.
    It is proportional to the altitude of the radar, but it is not linear.
    Assuming an ideal radar and whatnot, you can model the radar range as being the radio LOS range. (Yes, your radioman days shall haunt you yet again!)
    At 5 ft thats ~6 miles on a small boat. At 50ft ~13 miles. At 500 ft ~35 miles. At 5000 ft ~103 miles. Nevermind signal intensity loss is also nonlinear.
    With that in mind, having your helos at anything but skimming altitude in a contested air environment doesn't gain you much in terms of early warning to the task force vs the radial position of the helos themselves.

  • @IMCDundee
    @IMCDundee หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jingles... a helo miss ID?? never... you must be new here... (we love ya, never change!)

  • @Mike91975
    @Mike91975 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Jingles I have "re-written" this question in my head to a few times to try and make it sound less judgmental towards you and mean no malice (and failed) but why the hell do you need pay roll staff on the boat?

    • @The_MightyJingles
      @The_MightyJingles  หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      It's a fair question. The crew are entitled to all kinds of payments depending on where the ship is and what it's doing. Dock in a foreign port and the crew are entitled to Living Overseas Allowance for every day the ship's alongside. Take on stores while alongside and someone has to pay the Chandler's Agent for organising the stores. The crew need local currency to spend while ashore, the mail arrives and has to be sorted by Messdeck, official mail needs to be processed and filed correctly so the relevant officers and senior rates get to see everything they need to. The list goes on. There's a LOT of administration that needs to be done on a warship.

    • @Mike91975
      @Mike91975 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@The_MightyJingles Oh ok, I was just thinking any sort of pay rate changes could be calculate from logs but there a lot is more than the term "payroll" would suggest. Cheers for the reply.

    • @Corsair37
      @Corsair37 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@The_MightyJingles to add to Jingle's explanation, at least in the US Navy, you also have to settle travel claims for newly reporting crewmembers, as well as provide check cashing (when that was a thing), money orders (owned by the Disbursing Officer but sold by the Postal Clerk in the USN), putting cash in ATMs (for ships that had it, they were relatively new when I did my Disbursing Officer tour and my ship was too small to have any), etc, etc.
      As Jingle's said, there's a lot of admin that goes on, even on a small ship. I was on a Perry class, and I had one disbursing clerk, one postal clerk, and the ship's office (run by the XO, not me) had 3 (IIRC) yeoman, the ones who do all the personnel records updates, pulbish ship's instructions, the Plan of the Day, write up awards, etc.

    • @mrbloodhound009
      @mrbloodhound009 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You genuinely put in effort to phrase the question without judgement and the best you could come up with was "why the hell do you need pay roll staff on the boat?" How about "what does payroll staff do during deployment?" or literally anything besides "whats the point of your job?"

  • @SolarFlareGaming
    @SolarFlareGaming หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love all the facts and information that Jingles drops in any of his movies. Always learn something new!

  • @montro2220
    @montro2220 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Our long and hard shifts in the Salt Mines have been rewarded with a bonus Sea Power video on Sunday!
    What is that Jingles? You expect 5 more "bonus" shifts as compensation? Sir, yes sir!

  • @statemonster
    @statemonster หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really love watching you play this game, it reminds me of when you played Cold Waters all those years ago. Just wanted that to be known, thanks Jingles

  • @javidson7534
    @javidson7534 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "The Phoenix missile system had no success because it never shot anything down"
    Not the case. In naval terms, it's a fleet in being. The fact that it exists severely limits the enemy's tactical options, hamstrings its strategic actions, and even requires a whole military industrial complex to find ways of dealing with it. The best way to win a cold war is by creating strategic circumstances in which your adversary is unable to sustain an economy capable of dealing with your military threat.
    This is a part of that. The USSR was vulnerable to such weapons, and unable to come up with effective counters while still feeding its citizens.
    I mean, also Phoenixes accounted for loads of shootdowns in the Iran-Iraq war, but that's beside the point.

  • @NFS_Challenger54
    @NFS_Challenger54 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm a simple man. I see an 80's naval game on Jingles' channel, I watch it. Again, with great honors from the great Empire State, New York, Jingles.

  • @dtploeg1000
    @dtploeg1000 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    15:48 nitpicking here but active homing missiles aren't entirely fire and forget. The modern ones like AIM-120D might be as I think they can guide on data link from an e-2 or something.
    But the Phoenix needs tracking data from the launching tomcat until they get in range for their own onboard radars. Tho you don't need to actively lock on to the target tho and use TWs

    • @Corsair37
      @Corsair37 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep. The power of the F-14 and it's AWG-9 was the ability to track 24 contacts simultaneously and engage up to six with Phoenix, a pretty impressive feat when the turkey debuted in the 70s.
      Interesting side not - I read somewhere once, years ago, that the F-14 with a full load of 6 Phoenix missiles was too heavy to land safely on the carrier in a one-engine configuration, so they usually only carried 4. The F-14B and D with improved engines might have overcome that limitation.

  • @argyle1812
    @argyle1812 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the Sea Power content. I just bought it yesterday and ive been really enjoying it

  • @VincentNajger1
    @VincentNajger1 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    12:28 Very nice explosions. Games are definitely getting to levels of true realism, and I started gaming on a C-64, so I've watched the entire evolution process over the last 4 decades. Even this will look clunky in another 20 years. I remember watching Babylon 5 and thinking 'one day we'll have games that look as amazing as this show and it'll be rendered in real time too!'. That only took 10 to 15 years (and yes, Babylon 5 was amazing for the time and 'space' visuals of any kind was veeery very rare indeed. Modern Sci-Fi nerds are spoilt rotten).

  • @Edawgpilot
    @Edawgpilot หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Jingles my friend, as someone from the upper left corner of the USA, it’s pronounced “shuh-nuck” . Please don’t get the shotgun!

    • @Phordless_Cone
      @Phordless_Cone หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Shithooks!

    • @augiehicks4588
      @augiehicks4588 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      It’s also not even a Chinook lol, it’s a CH-46

    • @setesh1294
      @setesh1294 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Phordless_Cone They may be shithooks but by God are they still gorgeous.

    • @schiefer1103
      @schiefer1103 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@Phordless_ConeAs a german: Bananenhelikopter!

    • @nk_3332
      @nk_3332 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Aktually, it's pronounced Sea Knight.

  • @TallulahSoie
    @TallulahSoie 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I found Jingles praising the Tomcat AI amusing. It made the correct countermeasures to evade then got baited into range of weapons they knew would kill them from half a dozen surface threats.

  • @flashfreze
    @flashfreze หลายเดือนก่อน

    Philly mentioned just made my day. Knew an old E-Div chief who was on her, makes custom Dolphins now.

  • @gyrene_asea4133
    @gyrene_asea4133 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The LHA-3 came out from San Diego about 1 month before we deployed out on the Tarawa. We landed aboard the Belleau Wood and did coordinated operations on her with a short battalion of grunts and amphib units for about a week in the live fire area of Kahoolawe. This worked up LHA crew and familiarized us wingers with operations. The Tarawa was the first deployment of a new class of Amphibious Assault ship that had a floodable well to launch directly vessels like LVMs (?), very big ramped landing craft. The only thing that my generation of Marines was familiar with until then were the old LPH's like the Tripoli and the Okinawa. The 'Trip ship' was my first West Pac iirc. The Tarawa was magic compared to the LPHs.

  • @tomriley5790
    @tomriley5790 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The USMC did have a AV-8B+ variant which also had an air to air radar (IIRC the same one as on the F-18C/D) and could fire AMRAAM.

    • @travistolbert2647
      @travistolbert2647 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If I remember correctly the radar for the Harrier B+ came because the C and D Hornets received radar upgrades and the Harriers received the old Hornet radars.

  • @isaacwest
    @isaacwest หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i wouldn't say an F-14 is surprisingly well suited for airborne early warning.
    it's rather that iran has F all else available. what country that has acces to airborne early warning planes that carries a compliment of several officers, some of which do the exact same job, goes "you know what, lets just give all that responsibility to a 2 seater jet with one dude in charge of keeping the thing in the air and pointed in the right direction, whilst the other guy handles, well, everything else."

  • @Dennys854
    @Dennys854 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would have been funny if the Iranians had a 2nd pair of F-14's at slow cruise with no EMCON backing the first pair, although expensive in AIM 54's could keep the helos surface skimming for longer, but the distance trap worked.

  • @m00nm00n
    @m00nm00n หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Wish the "dynamic" campaign could come to the game soon. Sadly that one will probably take a long time to arrive.

    • @Corsair37
      @Corsair37 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Q2 2025 is the target date for the dynamic campaign, last I heard.

  • @lenny6281
    @lenny6281 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i love these videos, please keep 'em coming!

  • @darkcenturion5735
    @darkcenturion5735 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Been waiting for more jingles sea power for soo long!

  • @grandlethal9046
    @grandlethal9046 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Its like watching a documentary listening to this guy! He knows his stuff

  • @simroach
    @simroach หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you very much for the Sunday bonus video.

  • @gathdragon7630
    @gathdragon7630 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love this series, great for listening to while I do chores in the kitchen

  • @Excedrine
    @Excedrine หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Note the mission score: 1,000%. Bravo Zulu, Rear Admiral! o7

  • @ivanstepanovic1327
    @ivanstepanovic1327 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    F-14 usually had AIM-54, AIM-9 and AIM-7 Sparrow. Only the last versions had AIM-120 AMRAAM. Iranian pilots had a lot of success with AIM-54, way more than Americans.
    Modern day fighters can actually pick up Phoenix on radar and engage it with their own air-to-air missiles due to its size. That is why, among other things, AIM-54 was discontinued.

    • @travistolbert2647
      @travistolbert2647 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The Delta Tomcats never carried the AIM-120s outside of the VX test and evaluation squadrons.