$600 GIMBAL VS $200,000 HOLLYWOOD STEADICAM B-ROLL
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In this video we compare the $600 #ZhiyunCrane2S to my buddy Russ' $200,000 Steadicam rig to see how they stack up.
I'm curious to know what you guys think! Which one did you like better, tell me in the comments below.
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Who made it to the duck sound?? Also, what are your thoughts? Genuinely interested to hear what you think of all the comparisons.
Obviously that guys video looked better but the stability really wasn't much different considering the price difference haha
Beyond all the equipment used, and the cost - it's remarkable, and tells a lot of what a solo filmmaker can pull off now with tools such as AF and the Crane 2S. As a solo filmmaker versus a team of three, to see the difference in the end result as minimal as it was... It's inspiring and exciting!
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Thoughts... The steadicam is - of course - better. BUT I expected to see more difference in the movement and stuff. The biggest difference in the video is the dynamic range different in the cameras.
Agreed, apart from the obvious difference in image quality, the crane did a great job.
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I feel like hollywood cameramen are stronger than the actors
yeah you can see cameraman names always in credit section
@@firstsoldier4257 do the credits have something to do with their strength?
It doesn’t hurt to be in strong physical shape to operate that gigantic steadicam rig lol
Because they Are!
@@firstsoldier4257 lmao everybody has to be in the credit section what do you mean
Honestly, I can't tell enough of a difference with stabilization. I get distracted by the how the Red has a more dynamic depth of field and its focusing range is just different and because those are the most noticeable differences my mind has a hard time seeing any difference with the actual motion/stabilization. Rad video
Well, the red had a nd filter installed, so it allowed to be much more open that he was with his dslr I think. It would have been great if the f/t-stop were identified in the footage. More open, the autofocus would have had to work harder to keep up !
Marc nailed it. Some of the focal lengths and aperture were wildly different, such as the wide shot with the red at 26mm equiv and the Sony shooting all the way out at 16mm with a zoom, also the same happening at 135mm f/1.9 equiv vs 135mm f/5.6. Even with the smaller sensor, the RED benefits massively from the fast primes in term of DOF and FOV distortion. Also the REDs footage seems to be very well color graded compared to the Sony, but that might just be a result of Sony having crappy colors lol
Fully agree. I’m really impressed with the relatively cheap gear nowadays, I’m excited to see what the coming 10 years will bring for us enthousiasts!!
@@mochouinard yes, actual t and f stops would make this a much more educational test. Plus, many of the super 35 v full frame focal lengths could have been matched with the 2 zoom lenses used.
The focus pulling on the Steadicam is human error, ultimately in a professional shoot this would not have been acceptable and shot again
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We should all take a second and step back to appreciate how good it is to be a film maker in 2020.
Never before in film history have tools, visual quality, distribution channels and creative outlets been so easy to access for the independent, non commercial user. All of this was once relegated to mega buck production studios full of teams of people and gear. TH-cam, personal NLE software, small cinema cameras, gimbals, drones are allowing the creative minds of the common enthusiast / small shop to develop true cinematic levels of production quality. Personally, I'm excited to see what story tellers will do with these tools. Hats off to at least one thing good about being in 2020.
Carry on creative people and continue to make your content for the world to see. We will be watching!
@Yavor Kapitanov It's more of an observation of the industry as a whole.
Various film tools have been around for a while, but until recent the cost entry was high. Producing high value content that competes with production houses is now within reach of the smaller shops and independent film makers.
It really is a good time to be into film making. Cheers!
Definitely agree with you I’m using a canon eos rebel t2i with a moza air gimbal and I’m taking really good shots as practice pretty soon I’ll be filming a web series so stay tuned
Fax!!!
I agree , its a exciting time for filmakers , we were waiting for gimbals since the age of mini dv !
Love you comment! It’s so well composed!
I don't think the comparison was silly at all. I always love seeing how lower end gears stacks up to upper tier gear. Fantastic video!
The Crane2S is amazing! But the extra weight & steady cam gives the image a more organic movement. It just depends on what tool you need for the project! Great vid bro
It was really cool to see the difference. There’s time I want the steadicam look and another time that I want the gimbal.
@@thechrishau I wonder what the result would be with a drone, but it would probably be un unfair comparison because the lenses are obviously quite different and a professional drone would cause a tornado in that forest.
You can't mount a RED or Arri on a crane.
I also feel like all the gimbals like crane or moza air where camera is the highest point are much less stable even if we'll compare it with gimbals where camera is positioned at lower point, like Ronin, we almost always see that while panning. I think that's because of center of mass position but have to do some calculations to talk about that confidently. But anyway for now I know I wouldn't get anything like these one-hand held gimbals instead of my Ronin 1 :)
true, but.... is that little bit more organic movement worth 300x the money?
mmmmmmmmm. not sure!
"It's a ridiculous comparison, but lets do it anyways" At least the honesty & transparency is there!! Thumbs up for that alone!
Of course man. I’m here to have fun - plus the results were legit super interesting
@@thechrishau Of course, the most important thing! but the real question is, when you copping that steadicam set up lmao.
I think it's a legitimate comparison in the sense that consumers now have something that was only previously available to professionals, at an extreme price. Sure, its a much smaller form factor, but it's a worthwhile comparison considering the tech has trickled down and is now more affordable. It's chasing that the pros have been using, and it's worthwhile seeing how far it's come. Obviously, if you compare price and features, it's going to be a ridiculous comparison, but the core focus here is the image stabilization... that's the entire purpose behind the Steadicam.
It was very interesting actually and not ridiculous!
99% of us can't afford that steadicam and don't need it. And for 99% of us there's not enough gained in output quality to justify such huge investment! You get amazing quality for the money with Crane. I actually had to look at the text to tell them apart.
He was wrong though. The comparison was done and the cheaper side held up great compared to $200,000.
Russ looks 25 and he’s been shooting for 20 years… 😂😂
I thought the exact same thing
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Great comparison. It was actually the cinema camera that was losing focus at times
Well they were manual focus pulling
@ and normally you have a person who is seperatly in charge of pulling the focus remotely
@ So they did a shite job?
@@daftbence it's not easy job.... In outdoor light even harder.... It takes a few attempts... And I suppose they must be in haste not to lose daylight because they might not have wanted to bring the whole equipment the next day again
@@daftbence yes, if they did IT multiple times yes. He also had markers on his remote i think.
I just can’t believe that thing cost 200,000, but the Crane was legit. Smaller setup, but I use the Crane M2, and so far I’ve been satisfied with the overall performance
Man its such a deal for it. My buddy just bought the stedicam that was used for broke back mountain and it was obo 70k just for the stedicam. That's before stands and carts and shiz
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I'm using the crane m2 too, but sometimes it's PF mode is stupid :(
Honestly, I can't tell when the gimbal went over the obstacle
The thing I found really noticeable was how the operators moved. With the $600 gimbal the operator looked very tense like they were trying to do half the work the gimbal was supposed to do. With the Steadycam, Russ looked much more relaxed, letting the rig just do its thing especially noticeable in the moving around objects shot.
This has probably also something to do with the fact that the youtuber guy may be very good, but the other afaik is a god tier operator
Historically steadycam operators had much much less support from computers so they have learned really really smooth movement style. The modern computer assisted systems seem to be able to generate superb results even with less skilled operator.
200,000 Canadian = $3.50 US for those who don’t know.
350k USD THANK YOU
@@classicdufferin8739 he just forget to add "k"
@@Anxsh651 no no
It's actually 3.5 dollars
So cheap man
@@Anxsh651 nah I think he meant 3.50. Super cheap no?
😂😂 are you sure about that
Focus puller was slacking
Ok, you convinced me of Russ' steadicam over the Crane2. Where's the link in the description?
Chris, I think your a straight up boss with that gimbal! You've definitely got the walk down to a science. You almost didn't see any z axis movement in your shots. Very nice.
This video just made me appreciate being a dslr shooter even more lol. We still get alot for these low prices.
a lot*
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I’m actually pleasantly surprised on the results. That crane really handles itself. I see there’s not winner or loser option here. This test showed that these gimbals can definitely compete. I love my Moza Air 2!
SUPER fun. And THANK YOU for the footwork lessons - priceless value. Ah, a Steadicam is the stuff of art and dreams, but you did a wonderful job with the small gimbal. So helpful to watch.
Crazy that the Zhiyun is holding up against the steadi cam, I feel like they're both great, like he said there's a time and place for both 👌
Great video Chris! It was really eye opening to see just how well the Crane 2S performed. To an untrained eye, they looked super similar. It was also cool to see a long lens being flown on it. I never thought to used anything other than a wider lens on my gimbal. Thanks!
That was SO SICK!! The red is such a beast, but the Sony can keep up, just imagine where both will be in another 5-10 years!
Hey Chris thanks for the great video! I definitely feel like i notice the wayyy better tonality of the RED as well as the superior flare control of those Ultra primes over the Sony. I'm not experienced enough to know if its the stabilisation or the lens, but the RED footage feels less jarring to watch, but the Crane performed surprisingly well too. Vortex mode on the Crane was a clear winner though, especially since the Steadicam went off centre quite a fair bit.
Should’ve worn a muscle shirt to make it a more even comparison
I was wondering if sleeves are banned if you work in stabilisation.
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I’m EXTREMELY impressed with the crane! Love this video, it was super eye opening to me, mainly a still photographer, who has no gimbal experience at all
Glad to watch this comparative analysis. I REALLY want the Zhiyun Crane 2 S even MORE now
Great video, thanks for sharing. I did try a 'Flycam' setup with a Canon XF200 a couple of years ago but with 2 blown discs in my lower back I couldn't handle it. What amazes me is the weight these Steadicam operators manage to throw around like they weigh nothing. Take my hat off to ALL Steadicam operators, you guys ROCK!
That gimbal was really impressive. The RED had a better lens and that's what made the biggest difference in my eye, not the stabilization. Really cool comparison. There were times where I actually liked the gimbal shot better. ( Vortex ).
You can actually see that the A7rIII performs just as good with the gimbal as the pro camera. The pro camera obviously looks better but the looks of that amount of megapixels aren't needed depending on what your needing to film. Great comparison. We should all know with proof that you do not need $200,000 to film something good.
The reason operators and companies use the expensive equipment has everything to do with control. Having more control over your gear so it allows you to do exactly what you need it to do saves more time and money in the long run. As was said in the video even, he was worried that having to rely on auto focus and exposure might affect the outcome of the shot, and he got lucky that it didn't do much. In controlled set environment, if you don't have the tools for the job that guarantee your shot to come out, you are forced a retake, therefor requiring everybody on set to redo everything (which might be a little or might be a lot). And everybody is paid to be there, so the more times you have to redo something from a technical error, the cost adds up, and they'd be hating themselves for not spending the extra budget on the right gear for the job.
I always love how you end your video. Also even through I don't know that much about gimbals, I definitely can see how some who is just starting could benefit from the cheeper gimbal.
that was so cool seeing him pin point where the box was in the video. so cool seeing people that are experts in their art of profession. so cool how he knows it all and sees things we never would!
This video was awesome! They are both great tools but I was more surprised by the crane 2S's performance whereas I expected the steadicam to be frickin awesome!
Damn Umbrella Academy and The Boys! Two of my favorite series. This guy is the sh***! Loved the gimbal comparisons!
Great ending! Actually laughed out loud. Thanks Chris! You won me back and love seeing you actually be you.
as a gimbal user myself, I would like to give a simple tip. Always try to walk towards your direction. If you can avoid walking backwards or sideways much better. IT would be great If you can plan your track before walking. Muscle memory on your wrist will eventually get used to when you turn the gimbal handle together with the position of your body. Its like dancing Swing. :)
I feel like they both do an amazing job for sure. I think the main difference I noticed is that with the 200k setup, your eyes barely move around the screen because the subject is in the same spot and the movement is flawless. With the crane, you can see that it doesn't keep up in that aspect but still provides really smooth shots
A lot of training might help with the crane, too. I mean they say you need 3 years of relentless daily training with a steadicam until you can call yourself a steadicam operator. And probably some more years of training until you're *really* good. Keeping the subject in the exact same spot and capturing this flawless motion is a result of this guy's 20 years of experience with the steadicam.
@@heikosale1027 But some of this is just physics. Bigger mass with the Steadicam means it absorbs a lot more movement than you can with a Gimbal.
@@edherdman9973 Of course, but my point was: did the gimbal operator have the same training as the steadicam operator? If someone just bought the expensive steadicam with no training, the result would be absolute shite. Some more training with the gimbal might help getting better results, too.
as a layperson, the orbital shot is the only one where I had a clear preference (for the steadicam ofc)
Loved how nicely it managed to give smooth footage with 50mm and above 🔥 can’t wait to have one 🔥🔥
really love this comparison! seeing how "more affordable" option not always worse, and like what you say "the right tools for the right jobs"
Man I'd love to be able to work with a steady cam one day! So sick!
As far as the stabilization goes, the Crane did a fantastically comparable job in everything except horizontal rotation (rotation about the y axis) which was only very slightly jerky. I think I'll definitely be able to comfortably stay in the less than $1000 range for stabilizers.
2 years later, this was still fascinating. I was riveted. I bought a gimbal, received it DOA no op and returned it, never got another, and lately I've been wanting one again. This was amazing to watch.
I got hooked on your video's. Really love how you tell the story!
Me knowing nothing about cameras and still watching it be like : hmmm that's interesting
I feel like I’ve seen your comment on other camera videos lmao
There was a lot of out-of-focus moments during the shooting with the Red, even with a separate guy doing the remote focus-pulls. I was also surprised how well the small Crane gimbal stacked up to the pro Steadicam. Great video and worth watching! 🙂
I totally agree
Yeah... 10:26 the autofocus did better during the whole scene 🤔
The steadicam best shines when it comes to panning, like how at 7:14 he's not staying center frame. But frankly, for the most part they're generally surprisingly similar.
This was a great way to hype up the steady cam op. Absolutely a beast!!
There's NO WAY! to see a difference... ABSOLUTELY Can't. The CRANE actually did better in one of the first tracking shots.
Ehhh... there's a big difference, but it's with the camera and lenses. The RED is producing a significantly better image. But if he had done this test with a better camera/lens setup... like for example a Blackmagic 6k and half-decent cinema prime lenses (like Rokinon), I think he would have ended up with a nearly indistinguishable final product, especially considering the cost differences.
It's still hard to imagine the cost differences here.
Personally, I feel like Zhiyun was rotating too fast while the Steadicam was smoother but Zhiyun was definitely performing incredibly well for stabilizing.
This was so epic! Thanks man. Thinking about getting this gimbal after I buy the A7S3!!
Love these comparison videos! I shoot with my iPhone all the time and enjoy saying "It's not about the gear, but what's in between the ears;)" Thanx again so much for sharing as I enjoy learning the more technical aspects of shooting:))
You can really tell the difference on the turns. Steadicams are just more organic and responsive. But the crane 2s really pulled something great. Now let's see when DJI comes out with the Ronin S2. Finally a good competitor for DJI's ronin s line.
I'm looking forward for next generation of DJI RONIN 4D. That might be the best balance for small budgets.
The only difference I noticed was the camera quality!
Worked with Russ and his crew on a shoot in Ireland, back in 2018. Brilliant fun!
Wow.. great content! thank you for sharing such valuable information!
Rather focusing on stabilization is was more peeping on image quality difference 😅
That asmr pitch made me hit the like button
I love the way the video is showed, I enjoyed it a lot. Both gimbals are impressive and on top of that is to know how to use the gimbal properly to get fantastic stabilize shots. I am still having the crane V2 and looking forward to upgrade it.
Chris, your gimbal technique is truly great. You can tell how much time you've spent working on it. Most gimbal users are not this smooth at ALL. You may not put Russ out of work, but your technique is outstanding.
Honestly, with some more training on the crane, you can make these moves look exactly the same. But you cant put a fully rigged Alexa LF With some lovely Cooke Anamorphics on that little gimbal. Thats the main reason for that sick steadicam rig: Weight, Bro, Weight!
The difference of image quality Sony/Red is obvious… for the rest the difference in stabilization quality does not justify the difference in price for 99% of the projects, imho
It's a Sony consumer mirrorless camera compared to a cinema red camera. Would make more sense to compare to Sony's Venice camera or even their FX9
It's just heavy so more hard to stabilize but it's crazy what you can do on the relatively cheap
It justifies when we're talking about movies
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Yeah... if he had used a better camera/lens setup, like a Blackmagic 6k with decent cinema prime lenses, this test would be shockingly close.
The pro rig offers a lot of flexibility that you're just not going to get with a gimbal, and that's really what major productions are paying for, but like you said, for 99% of projects the price difference just can't be justified.
i know that planning and executing videos like this is a huge undertaking but these collab videos that take the "high vs. low" approach are SOOOOOO interesting.
Good info. Thanks for doing this comparison.
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Throw on a little warp stabilizer on the gimbal shots for the microvibrations and boom stable as the steadicam.
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Back in the eighties I was a cameraman using the Arriflex BL 2. I’m now retired. I was amazed at how the Crane performed. Makes me want buy one.
6:41 he uses hands as an clap board that is dope man 😂❤️
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Really cool video! The Steadicam definitely has the most natural look and feel. It killed it when doing the wrap around shots, the gimbal was too robotic. However the vortex shot was definitely won by the gimbal. Much more of a niche shot, but still interesting.
I just love the focus
Super interesting! Thanks for sharing!
Hey Chris was Steadyshot turned on or off?
Honestly, I think the biggest difference in this comparison is the color grading and framing skill difference.
As far as smoothness, the two are quite close with the Steadicam obviously having now options but not being particularly smoother.
Focus pull wise, the Sony seemed to almost do better at keeping focus on the subject BUT the manual focus pulls of the Steadicam looked better, despite being less precise.
Framing: the Red affords more direct control but the operator's experience over yours is obvious. Not to say you're bad by any means; just not as good.
Color grading: whether your *fault* on not making the two look equal or a demonstration of the limits of Sony's 8-bit 4:2:0 and limited data rates it's hard for me to tell. Either way, advantage goes to the Steadicam.
I had wondered how they were doing the focusing. I assumed it must have been autofocus until the end when you saw them.
I remember hearing a program on NPR about the people who were focusing the big cameras in the days of film. They didn't have a screen to look at, but they had to stay there with the camera and turn the dial on the lens, being able to know exactly how far away something was from the camera.
It's awesome to see it put together.
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The red looks way better but I think it is because of the lenses and the framing way more than the gimbal
The blacks on the Sony footage were full of grading artifacts, it's so obvious at the breakup points between the midtones and shadows/blacks. It reminded me of when i was trying to push the sLog footage out of an A7rIII and A7III, i couldn't push the gradation past a certain point before the artifacts would show up. It was so bad that even the footage out of an 5D MkIV (either 1080p All-I or 4K DCI which weren't even shot in Log) were so much manageable in post compared to the Sony's counterparts.
Honestly, a single guy + one thing that I could afford VS something that costs like a house + needs a team for the operation. For my humble viewer perspective the Sony camera with the gimbal kicked the big boy butt
Wonderful comparison, I totally agree with your opinion about the gimbal as entry pass for a enthusiast into filmmaking.
Shout out from the East Coast! That was sweet, thanks for the comparison :)
The only difference here is that the RED camera produced a more cinematic image, aside from that, the Gimbal was just as stable as the Steadicam. Do the same test with the Crane s3 with a red camera and see if anyone woud be able to tell the difference
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Nice comparison! Crazy how close it can look for such a fraction of the price 🤑
I loved this comparison, awesome video!
Being honest, I believe your video got better Chris, things are more in focus!
Wooow 200,000 😅
Great video
The end of these big cinema rigs is soon !
The companies are challenging Hollywood gears now
it's getting close indeed! :) But the big stuff will always be around, the tech in the RED / ARRI is so complex and advanced however it takes a very dialled in eye to really tell.
Not really
I think steadicams will be around a while yet. Gimbals are all very well, but they can’t fly the heavy camera set ups and they also don’t give the operator complete control of the shot.
(25 years steadicam op)
I'm thoroughly impressed by the Zhiyun, I'm not sure if it's because of lens distortion, rolling shutter or a mix of the two but the stabiliser just flows better with your eyes. There's like some tearing with the A7R
I really think that the crane performs amazingly well. In terms of camera movement it keeps up with the steadicam nicelly.Super cool video.
Anyone noticed Chris didn't use Nd filters there, or the footage would have been much much better with a7r3 on crane 2s
Price difference: $199400
Result difference: 0
Really impressed with the Crane 2s. It still had those moments where it had slight jerks. Overall though pretty impressive given the price point.
Amazing! Thanks for sharing.
There is a big difference in what you can do with the image as well... you dont fly bigger cameras because they are bigger, you do it because of the quiilty and what they can do... compare the image at 10:45 as and example, the sony camera is looking like its a cartoon in the hair, or 10:57 its just terrible
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@@ValiantCashewnuts-gp4mo why would you? I mean does it matter?
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Critical - There is almost no difference in image quality, and for me Sony looks better / sharper.
@@Indimenticabil ok Mr expert 👍🏻you want me to send you files from each camera?
Wow loved it. I don’t have a clue of all that photography and stuff but it seems to be really cool!
Entertaining and informative video! It’s fun to watch the difference between inexpensive and expensive equipment. Would like to see a smartphone with a mobile gimbal versus a high end camera on a steadicam or gimbal🙌
big thanks man, im not getting into doing a small mini series and need some tools this looks like a great starting point.
I appreciate this initiation, nice and helpful video
Legit surprised how well the crane 2s held up.
This video concept was ridiculous. I love it .
good work beautiful cameras
When you guys were doing the first test, i was like:
Damn, this would be perfect, in Yellowstone