Tied up some of these rigs and I'm liking them. Can't wait to try them. Kite fishing isn't used as much up here in NC mainly because our structure is very isolated. We don't have the bottom you guys have. Everything is slow trolling for the most part. We will anchor close to shore and kite fish or balloon fish in the fall when the pogies are running the beach. Just my wife and I so we don't slow troll as much. We never get tail whipped and we never get cut offs kite or balloon fishing. On the slow troll we do and it's hard to learn up here. The pros are very tight lipped on their rigging so it's all trial and error. Some run flouro some don't. Some run a double flouro to short wire. Some use long wire. If we run short wire 3 feet or less we get cut offs. If we run longer wire we get smaller fish or no fish. All of the areas with structure are hammered with slow trollers so can't really kite fish them. We run 15 or 20lb pink ande on our rslow troll rigs. We've been using sev nstrand in 40 or 60lb. We e had the 40 cut. Kite fishing it's #5 wire 5 feet to a swivel at both ends. Two 6 inch wires to one swivel and two number 4 trebles. Never loose fish on that rig. Not as stealthy as the rig you show. Have you ever heard of guys using a double flouro to a short titanium wire rig? Brant McMullan from Oifc does this. Curious how he builds his rigs. On OIFC TV an episode called Venice kings he vaguely talks about it as next level kingfishing tricks. We would love to stick to the kite but up here in NC ya pretty much hav to slow troll. We've learned tons from your videos and really enjoy them!! Larry
Titanium would not be a good option for a stinger rig under the skin. It’s not as stiff as regular wire. If you want to use titanium as a stinger you would want to tie it directly to the eye of the lead hook and embed the stinger with the wire outside the skin
Alll you need now is heat shrink wrap over the sleeve and the sleeve won’t go anywhere , also to pull on hook or swivel to take out any possible slippage/slack ....and it will make a nice low profile that looks and feels amazing
question: in your opinion, if I just continue to feed the tag in through the overhand knot after going through the eye of hook will that hold? in other words, instead of crimp after going back through, maybe just go back through 2 or 3 times. tying a few rigs for the fallbrawl and have no crimps or mini crimper! will find a pair like yours hopefully. hope you're catching lots of fish! thanks for the great videos!
Many guys do the method you are talking about and it holds just fine. The strength comes from the over hand knot not the crimp. The crimp is just a clean way to finish it and trim your tag end so it doesn’t end up in a hand. Painful!
titanium wire they are very very good to get lots of Kingfish strikes, I'm talking about 88Lb + kingfish but they have a bad week points with kingfish 1st strike on life bait 1st they will stretch and slip the tie 2nd they will break at the crimp tip next to the hook btw I'm using Knot2Kinky titanium wire 55LB
The crimp is really only for appearance and to conceal the tag end of the titanium so it doesn't end up in a finger. Very painful! Just be sure not to crimp to hard as that can damage the wire. But all the strength is in the knot. Your crimp will slide if you are using too large of a crimp. We use a #1 crimp on 40 pound titanium. I would not go any larger than #2 on 55 lb. If you can fit the 55lb in a #1 crimp use that instead.
If some right it makes a super strong leader, and it should never be slipping if you are tying it correctly and also testing it before you use it..... I love my titanium leaders....
On a fish like that you are far better off with straight mono in the 50 to 80 pound range than wire. However the largest meatfish I’ve landed on 40 pound titanium is probably an 82 pound wahoo. We have caught plenty of big sharks on titanium too
Question I can never seem to get answered from the pros. On the kite with this rig are you using a trailing hook/ free hanginging stinger? Doesn't seem that the hook up to bite ratio would be very high on kings with only the j hook. I may be dead wrong . How many fish hit but leave you with half a bait? I love this rig but scared to use it in tournaments. Up here in Carolina it's two trebles. I want to like the single 6/0 big gun just worried about cut baits no hook up in your aments I would love to hear your thoughts/ experience/ advice.
No stinger. There are some guys that fish a stinger out of the kite but most of the top teams do not. Better presentation without the stinger. If they cut the bait in half a lot of the time if you free spool your line and let the other half drift naturally they will roll back on it and you’re tight on the second shot.
@@fishbluewater I'm going for it. I'm going to run this rig this year. I definitely like the single hook rig. We mostly run pogies up here in NC. Love your videos! Thanks for responding!
@@fishbluewater lots of folks are running the seven strand titanium here now. Looks like they are sneezing the hooks same as with the non titanium seven strand. With the single strand titanium and loop,seems like the hook is more free. I think I like that better than sneeling the hook for a kite/ vertical presentation. We run regular seven strand with two number 4 hooks slow trolling even with double pogie rigs. My husband prefers the kite and balloons. We e done pretty good with it. Seems like we only get cut offs slow trolling. We thought that was happening because we were using short wire. We went back to 5 ft wire. First fish was hooked in back and he had the wire wrapped in his beak teeth only inches from mono. With the kite or balloon our hook ups have always been in the mouth and solid.
@@cristilaye5912 you won’t be disappointed. If it’s a really big bait like a Speedo down here or a giant runner they will throw an extra stinger in it but gogs get a single hook for sure
Tied up some of these rigs and I'm liking them. Can't wait to try them. Kite fishing isn't used as much up here in NC mainly because our structure is very isolated. We don't have the bottom you guys have. Everything is slow trolling for the most part.
We will anchor close to shore and kite fish or balloon fish in the fall when the pogies are running the beach. Just my wife and I so we don't slow troll as much. We never get tail whipped and we never get cut offs kite or balloon fishing. On the slow troll we do and it's hard to learn up here. The pros are very tight lipped on their rigging so it's all trial and error. Some run flouro some don't. Some run a double flouro to short wire. Some use long wire. If we run short wire 3 feet or less we get cut offs. If we run longer wire we get smaller fish or no fish.
All of the areas with structure are hammered with slow trollers so can't really kite fish them.
We run 15 or 20lb pink ande on our rslow troll rigs. We've been using sev nstrand in 40 or 60lb. We e had the 40 cut.
Kite fishing it's #5 wire 5 feet to a swivel at both ends. Two 6 inch wires to one swivel and two number 4 trebles. Never loose fish on that rig. Not as stealthy as the rig you show.
Have you ever heard of guys using a double flouro to a short titanium wire rig?
Brant McMullan from Oifc does this. Curious how he builds his rigs. On OIFC TV an episode called Venice kings he vaguely talks about it as next level kingfishing tricks.
We would love to stick to the kite but up here in NC ya pretty much hav to slow troll.
We've learned tons from your videos and really enjoy them!!
Larry
Great video! Can you do a video of how to make a stinger rig using the titanium? Thanks
Titanium would not be a good option for a stinger rig under the skin. It’s not as stiff as regular wire. If you want to use titanium as a stinger you would want to tie it directly to the eye of the lead hook and embed the stinger with the wire outside the skin
Alll you need now is heat shrink wrap over the sleeve and the sleeve won’t go anywhere , also to pull on hook or swivel to take out any possible slippage/slack ....and it will make a nice low profile that looks and feels amazing
Heat shrink would definitely finish it off nice but these rigs are pretty time consuming to make as they are. Gotta draw the line somewhere! Lol
@@fishbluewater haha
great video mr. bunn!
question: in your opinion, if I just continue to feed the tag in through the overhand knot after going through the eye of hook will that hold? in other words, instead of crimp after going back through, maybe just go back through 2 or 3 times. tying a few rigs for the fallbrawl and have no crimps or mini crimper! will find a pair like yours hopefully. hope you're catching lots of fish! thanks for the great videos!
Many guys do the method you are talking about and it holds just fine. The strength comes from the over hand knot not the crimp. The crimp is just a clean way to finish it and trim your tag end so it doesn’t end up in a hand. Painful!
titanium wire they are very very good to get lots of Kingfish strikes, I'm talking about 88Lb + kingfish
but they have a bad week points with kingfish 1st strike on life bait
1st they will stretch and slip the tie
2nd they will break at the crimp tip next to the hook
btw I'm using Knot2Kinky titanium wire 55LB
The crimp is really only for appearance and to conceal the tag end of the titanium so it doesn't end up in a finger. Very painful! Just be sure not to crimp to hard as that can damage the wire. But all the strength is in the knot. Your crimp will slide if you are using too large of a crimp. We use a #1 crimp on 40 pound titanium. I would not go any larger than #2 on 55 lb. If you can fit the 55lb in a #1 crimp use that instead.
If some right it makes a super strong leader, and it should never be slipping if you are tying it correctly and also testing it before you use it..... I love my titanium leaders....
What’s the heaviest fish you’ve pulled up with this rig? I’ve had 45# titanium knots break on 50# yellow fin tuna
On a fish like that you are far better off with straight mono in the 50 to 80 pound range than wire. However the largest meatfish I’ve landed on 40 pound titanium is probably an 82 pound wahoo. We have caught plenty of big sharks on titanium too
Question I can never seem to get answered from the pros.
On the kite with this rig are you using a trailing hook/ free hanginging stinger?
Doesn't seem that the hook up to bite ratio would be very high on kings with only the j hook. I may be dead wrong .
How many fish hit but leave you with half a bait?
I love this rig but scared to use it in tournaments. Up here in Carolina it's two trebles.
I want to like the single 6/0 big gun just worried about cut baits no hook up in your aments
I would love to hear your thoughts/ experience/ advice.
No stinger. There are some guys that fish a stinger out of the kite but most of the top teams do not. Better presentation without the stinger. If they cut the bait in half a lot of the time if you free spool your line and let the other half drift naturally they will roll back on it and you’re tight on the second shot.
@@fishbluewater I'm going for it. I'm going to run this rig this year. I definitely like the single hook rig. We mostly run pogies up here in NC. Love your videos! Thanks for responding!
@@fishbluewater lots of folks are running the seven strand titanium here now. Looks like they are sneezing the hooks same as with the non titanium seven strand. With the single strand titanium and loop,seems like the hook is more free. I think I like that better than sneeling the hook for a kite/ vertical presentation. We run regular seven strand with two number 4 hooks slow trolling even with double pogie rigs. My husband prefers the kite and balloons. We e done pretty good with it. Seems like we only get cut offs slow trolling. We thought that was happening because we were using short wire. We went back to 5 ft wire. First fish was hooked in back and he had the wire wrapped in his beak teeth only inches from mono. With the kite or balloon our hook ups have always been in the mouth and solid.
@@cristilaye5912 you won’t be disappointed. If it’s a really big bait like a Speedo down here or a giant runner they will throw an extra stinger in it but gogs get a single hook for sure
Thanks for the tutorial
Where’s the stinger???????
We have a separate video on how to make a wire stinger and a very cool way to disguise it in a bait. Check it out!