Great video. I am learning Kenpo, and to help you out, yes it does hurt girls, and because in kenpo we do strike each other, many of us girls/women wear guards.
Thank you so much! Yeeeouch, im sorry, but thank you for the info from the female perspective. I will relay that back to my female student whom asked the question.
Yes, the woman in our classes wore protection as well. A GOOD Kenpo school will make solid contact on each other when we do self defense techniques. A lot of poor Kenpo schools will do the light slapping, but woman often take the same conditioning as the men do.
i found you through Dans Channel. I'm a shotokan Shodan and its really interesting comparing and contrasting how the different styles do the same things. looking forward to the last part of your shotokan series.
I'm very glad you found me! It is very interesting indeed, seeing how other arts do the same but different technique. Talk about same but different... Shotokan's basics are so similar but different it was hard to make the adjustment, I think the lower blocks, snapping kicks and no head snap was the hardest to get used to. Thank you so much, I can't wait for you to see it. Comes out tomorrow at 11am, pst. I'll see you in the comment section, I'm anxious to hear your feedback on our Shotokan basics.
This video is awesome and I do want to comment on another thing I've noticed while doing this. We technically could do more of these because not only is there a difference in some of our kicks, but I noticed a lot of those differences are coming from how we deliver and how we categorize them. For example, Sensei, with the side kick I said we had two and you said you had many more. I think there is a difference in how we categorize them. We have slide up side kicks, cross behind side kicks, pull drag side kicks, flying side kicks, twist through side kicks, etc...but we treat them as one kick since the same mechanics apply and the same part of the foot makes contact. We will teach the variations as maneuvers, and we teach those separately as they can be applied to most kicks. So it seems as if we categorize them different, what you would consider having 10 kicks and us only having 2, it's more like our 2 kicks can use 5 different maneuvers and equal the same 10 count, if that makes any sense at all. The main kicks I went over are what we teach beginners in the first Kicking Set, which is a small kata that teaches how we use these 4 basic kicks but traveling with different foot maneuvers. Overall, we learn the same amount of kicks as TSD/TKD. If you were to look at belt requirements for a Kenpo school, there are like 5 or more kicks taught at each belt level. We have the jump spinning stuff, the crescents, the axe kicks, all of that...but we don't implement all of it into our defense. We teach them to learn how to use them and to be familiar with them (if they are used against us), but you won't find a jump spinning inside crescent kick inside any of our katas or self defense techniques. We learn/teach them all, but categorize a core group that are signature and consistent throughout our curriculum Overall this was a really fun project to work on, and I'm just pointing out that I'm learning more with this than just the differences in our basics, but also how we even approach the concepts to begin with. We could almost do more of these later based on stances and foot maneuvers :D
Ahhh that makes sense. Alright , alright fine, you guys have lots of kicks too! I would like to learn one of your Kata's one day, would you teach me please?? Yes this was a very fun project, the best part other than working with you Dan is the conversation and buzz this is stirring in the online martial arts community. I'm learning so many new things, new people and great stories. Thank you for giving me this opportunity sir!
I’m a year late to this series. But that’s OK. I’m a Kenpo student (Tracy’s- because that’s what I could find). I’d rather be a Tang Soo Do student. But the flexibility needed to do well isn’t something I currently possess. Though the Kenpo and yoga I’m doing helps. Once I get close to being able to do some white belt flexibility techniques I was shown I’ll be studying Tang Soo Do. My reasoning is a bit silly. But years ago we did a training exercise with Korean Marines. Of course we had to fight them- in a friendly way. When we were done one of their guys told me if I knew Tang Soo Do I’d be the toughest American there’s ever been. I may be old now, but those words still ring in my ears 😆
I've watched both of your vids now - good job. I'd really like to see a continuation of this co-op, demonstrating the intermediate and advanced techniques. You did a good job covering basics, but there's so much more to both arts that would be a cool compare / contrast series. Its also interesting to see how both of your styles differ from mine - we have a lot of similarities but some noticeable differences in execution, theory and tactics. For example how Dan's Kenpo does their step behind side kick - we teach this to intermediate kids when they begin doing board breaking. The first version we teach is a stepping across or stepping in front - like our other kicks. Our "stepping across" kicks begin in a back stance, the back foot is brought forward with the foot pointed 90 degrees to the front foot, which keeps the shoulders back, and the heel should be even with or just ahead of the big toe on the front foot. The knee is then chambered for the kick - be it front, side, round, hook, or twist kicks. Back kicks are executed with a step behind or as a turning kick. AS you advance, that "step across" translates into a skip or slide - same basic motion but done quickly vs a methodical step. We also typically show all the base kicks to beginners and have them develop them as they advance - we don't have a segmented syllabus so that you learn X, Y, and Z techniques at this belt level, A, B, and C at that and so forth. It's something that I think would make it easier for students to learn without feeling overwhelmed but I'm not in charge, so... It is also interesting to me that you call back leg kicks "spinning" kicks, we call back leg kicks "reverse" kicks like how we would with a reverse punch. For us, a spinning kick entails at least a 180 degree turn typically toward the back - ie a spinning back kick or spinning hook kick. A spinning round for us would be a 360 degree spin - something that looks cool, and is fun, but is wholly impractical. We do have a "stepping across spinning back kick" - it's a mouth full but is not that hard to execute. It begins with the same "step across" that I detailed earlier, then employs a turn or spin so that the front leg becomes the back leg, kicks, then typically you either recoil back or continue the momentum around - depending on if we're kicking air or a physical target. Same basic principle for our spinning vertical (crescent) kick, which other TKD schools call a tornado kick. We would also just call a "wheel kick" a variation of a hook kick. I noticed you guys touched a little on jumping kicks - but since you didn't get into detail I'm assuming that you teach jumping kicks either as advanced techniques, or as an add on but not part of your core set. We get our students airborne (or try) starting at white belt. Most don't get good at them until 7th or 6th kup, which for us is about a blue belt. I miss the days of being a teenager and able to get air. My knees, back, and hips all have chronic pain unrelated to martial arts, so I don't do a lot of jumping these days. I really hope you guys consider covering your more advanced techniques, as I think it would be a great continuation of your long distance partnership! I enjoyed both of you gentlemen's videos in this series. Looking forward to seeing how you guys did in the Shotokan tournament too!
Wow that was a mouth full! Thank you so much for contributing to the conversation in such a rich and full statement. I know the ongoing debate of spinning vs. turning is still not settled. I would really like to get a debate/conversation going about that one of these days. What style are you training in? We do have our white belt beginners do 1 jumping kick (flying side kick) then the next rank (yellow) the have 3 jump kicks. From there on the skies the limit. Thank you for your warm wishes on the Shotokan tournament, that video will air tomorrow at 11am pst. I'm wrapping up the editing as we speak!
Out of the kicks shared by Mr Dan, I would say I favour the back kick. In our art we call it simply that. Turn with your back towards the opponent and unless fire and fury. Our heel is higher that the toe position and also we don’t look over our shoulder. Foot work, technique and timing means you will always hit your target. We don’t use the word spinning at all. Just turning kicks (chest turning towards opponent) or reverse turning kick - e.g.: spinning heel kick, spinning roundhouse.
I've never been kicked down there, but I do know it would hurt if I got kicked there, one time I was going to fast down a hill and went over a dirt mound and landed really hard on the seat (I actually bent the bike seat on impact) and it hurt a lot, so yeah it would really hurt to get kicked down there ladys.
I'm a tae kwon do practitioner,I love all styles though.just to let y'all know,relaxed fit jeans,will allow you to throw head kicks with ease .great videos by the way!
@@brucehillbillybarthalow3786 That's EXACTLY what I do when I'm buying new pants! I'll throw snapping front and round kicks in the dressing room to make sure I'm able to! Great comment!
Kinda of like I demonstrate it 4:50? Back kicks in Kenpo are with the toes pointed to the floor. That's how I delivered it in this video. It may be harder to see on camera but that's how I back kick and you can clearly see it at 4:50
@@ArtofOneDojo Yes sir! Was unsure why the parallel/perpendicular kick variance was brought up as differing in that kick comparison. Looks perpendicular to me.
What I do not understand: Tang Soo Do has strong influences from Karate. In Karate you do Mawashi Geri aka Round(-house) kick with the ball of the foot as impact area, so you have to pull up your toes. Why does Tang Soo Do do it with the span of the foot? You can kick much harder with the ball of the foot. If you kick as hard with the span as impact area, you hurt your foot.
Great video again guys. Sensei Ichi got jokes! Haha still trying to get over Slap Happy Dan. That visual aid is a crack up. Very happy with this sharing of your arts, it’s been a pleasure to witness. Kicking strikes are an essential part of most non weapon based martial arts systems. The difficulty in choosing hand vs foot strikes, is the conundrum of reach vs stability to one’s stance. How efficient the technique is being applied, would also be a key factor in timing and catching the opponent. It appears to me that both forms express certain training behaviours in class and perhaps a more practical bent when potentially applying a strike in the real world.
Thank you. I got jokes for days my dude, you don't even know. I figured everyone needed the visual to help them get through their day. It's all in good fun, love Dan and very thankful for his participation in this series! I think kicks definitely have their place in self defense, but.... They are a tricky beasty. If they're done at the wrong time, the wrong way, they could become ones biggest failure. At the same time, they are extremely useful to cover distance, keep people at a distance and to give people a very simple, surprising kiss goodnight.
We all need a good Ally McBeal visual to get us through our day!! I love it when you are sparring and you deliver a kick to the head, then your opponent has that look on their face.... they be like “did you just kick me?” Your mouth guard smile says it all!
@@SenseiIchi Exactly. You guys put more emphasis on the kicks so you're more likely to execute a good high snapping kick in a real situation. We CAN do the high kicks and sometimes do, but we emphasis bringing them down instead, disrupting their stance and balance as well.
It's true that high kicking is often impractical and risky in self defense situations. I would still train them regularly though, and strive to get a good speed, flexibility and power even when kicking high. The reason is that in order to have good, powerful, fluid and controlled kicks, you need to be able to kick beyond the yardstick, so to say. If a waist height kick is already the maximum you can possibly do, the reality is half of the time, even that one will be stiff, weak, slow or will fail in some way. Your stance or angle will often be compromised, you might be tired, hurt, whatever. Also, if you're able to kick high, your kicks can be unpredictable. You can adjust the height, angle or trajectory mid-technique, because you're not already at your absolute physical limit when you're doing it. Like going higher with the knee, but chopping the kick down to the ribs for devastating power. Another great thing: delaying the impact for a split second. Fire off the kick, let the opponent flinch or do some compensation motion, see where the opening is and then rip it. You can only do that if you have enough strength and control.
As a kenpo blackbelt, I gotta day, MOST kenpo folks don’t kick very well. Korean systems have gorgeous kicks, but i prefer to implement the techniques from indochinese kickboxing systems.
It happens, what they lack in the kicks they make up for in the hands. On behalf of a Korean art, thank you. What do you like about the indochinese kick boxing kicks?
Well then you should already know than, as a Kenpo Black Belt ( 2 words not one) Kicking is not at the top of our list due to the nature of our system. In Kenpo we use hands, elbows, knees, and fingers for self-defense purposes. This is why our kicks don't look as good. Its simply because we don't use them all the time like they do in systems that are focused on kicking like, Taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, Hapkido etc.
Kenpo is 70% hands that’s why and designed for street altercations. Tae kwon doe is 70% kicks and designed for sport Although its great to be balanced I would never trade high skilled hand techniques for kicks . I never lost to a Korean stylist in all style tournaments were also groun was legal shot . Their hand skills are usually very poor and once you angle off their highly telegraphic kick it’s pretty much over for them.
I am taking tangsoodo I studied taekwondo as a kid I'm a red belt I'm studying forms and there all different so my question I guess does each school or different lineage change movements seem like my form are heavy with hip movements
Yes of course. Even in certain Asian provinces the dialect is different in languages. Just like it is in the USA. People have accents and different ways of speech, just like in the martial arts world everyone interprets their own style differently to a certain degree. All depends on the school owner.
I studied Tang soo do under Chung Il Kim. We learned a reverse 45 kick that was called bi chaghi. The kick is ideally used for groin shot but also can be used to the stomach.
@@kevingonzalez3673 I would say 60 hands and 40 kicks is pretty accurate in sparring and self defense, but that's if you're specifying kicks. We have a ton of emphasis on foot work, stances, and maneuvers, so I would say lower body vs upper body is closer to 50/50. But in terms of strikes, I would agree more or less with the 40 kicks and 60 hands.
Thank you Sensei Ichi and also Sensei Dan, both of your kicks from Tang Soo Do and American Kenpo Karate respectively, are intriguing and interesting. Some of the kicks, from both of your respective curriculums, are the same or similar to those we utilise in our Kyokushin Karate. While others differ. Obviously the theory or philosophical approach, differs in regards to those who created our respective arts. Nevertheless I have learned from both of you, kicking techniques I was not aware of, which I want to try and incorporate, into my own arsenal, especially when it comes to self defense situations. With all due respect to both of you, I only throw high kicks to simeone's head, or chest, when I can set it up, disguise it and ensure that it will not be predicted, telegraphed, intercepted and so forth. So according to your perspective Sensei Ichi, I will kick high if the opportunity to do so, presents itself. On the other hand I too take the cautious approach from Sensei Dan, that if a high kick is done stupidly, without strategic prudence, then you can clearly be unbalanced and thrown to the ground, or grabbed and slammed on the ground. Thank you both for making these videos collaborations and comparisons between both of your martial arts styles, Osu! 🥋👊✌👍😊🤛🇦🇺Juan.
To me this ain't about what art is better than other art. It's more like what the art has to offer. BTW I love kicks I have do kyokushin, Kempo, Western kickboxing, Muay Thai and kickboxing styles. These video confused me cuase when I was green belt in Kempo. we do kicking high kicks. But outside the dojo we don't risk high kicks like people do in Okinawan karate, which are risky with high kicks in self defense .. But I done them right, if you use good timing and speed/Power. I'm not familiar with tang so do. But i was a brown belt in Tkd, I know TSD is heavily on bunkai. More than TKD..
I think Kenpo offers kicks above the waist, but as Dan stated " they mainly kick below the waist for practical application. Yes kicks done correctly are very very effective.
That’s right with the ranges are available the higher kicks do well as the movie ‘Perfect Weapon’ showed as done by the kenpo master demonstrated in the fight seens. However, most of the time, personally experienced, y’all just don’t get the space needed and close combat techniques are paramount to kicking techniques. Take out the legs fight ends.
TSD has phenomenal kicks, and definitely has a leg up on Kenpo (see what I did there?) Their kicks snap better and have more versatility, however, I would put a solid Kenpo front kick, side kick, or back kick up against the power of a TSD version. Those basics kicks in Kenpo are VERY solid and have a ton of power, if anything I feel they could at least stand toe to toe (see what I did again?).
Back in the day when I competed tournaments included groin kicks so when facing a kicking stylist who kicked high …. We’ll let’s just say we shut them down. Coming from a Kung fu back ground I was more hand oriented and kicks were back up not the other way around . If you can kick anywhere that’s fine but not at the sake of poor hand skills .
There's no better way. A kick is a kick and a punch is a punch the only difference is mechanics of motion. Korea and Northern China are mountainous. The people tend to be taller and since it snows there the people wore foot covering boots etc for equestrian and SD reasons as well as terrain and weather. Mountains make powerful legs so North kickers and the shorter Southerners favored low kicks and more hands and its warmer. There's exceptions to almost every rule but if you say TSD kicks are better maybe for kicking a man off a horse yes. Even though kempo jutsu people fly also but we favor pragmatic technique over the risky techniques like trying to kick me high and I knock you down and mount you or sweep you and stomp you. WHAT works for you might not work for me. Physiology age weight build height opponent etc etc. I've seen kickers beaten badly by boxers, wrestlers JJ and Aikido and MMA men. I've seen kenpo men beaten by grapplers and even a Street fighter and a boxer. Kempo WASN'T defeated the dude doing it was. TSD wasn't defeated the dude doing it was. I'm built for kempo jutsu and even in old age her science is still sound and Effective because I AM. OSU and respect for NO FREAKING BETTER STYLES only better men. 🐅 🐉
Both these styles are similar to each other, go watch k1 CHAMPIONSHIPS OR bellator or strikeforce or invicta or anywere they have different striking arts face eachother you will find muay thai is the king of striking arts
Great video. I am learning Kenpo, and to help you out, yes it does hurt girls, and because in kenpo we do strike each other, many of us girls/women wear guards.
Thank you so much! Yeeeouch, im sorry, but thank you for the info from the female perspective. I will relay that back to my female student whom asked the question.
Yes, the woman in our classes wore protection as well. A GOOD Kenpo school will make solid contact on each other when we do self defense techniques. A lot of poor Kenpo schools will do the light slapping, but woman often take the same conditioning as the men do.
i found you through Dans Channel. I'm a shotokan Shodan and its really interesting comparing and contrasting how the different styles do the same things. looking forward to the last part of your shotokan series.
I'm very glad you found me! It is very interesting indeed, seeing how other arts do the same but different technique.
Talk about same but different... Shotokan's basics are so similar but different it was hard to make the adjustment, I think the lower blocks, snapping kicks and no head snap was the hardest to get used to.
Thank you so much, I can't wait for you to see it. Comes out tomorrow at 11am, pst. I'll see you in the comment section, I'm anxious to hear your feedback on our Shotokan basics.
Dan is a good kenpo fighter and you are a good tang soo do fighter
Thank you. That is very kind of you to say.
This video is awesome and I do want to comment on another thing I've noticed while doing this. We technically could do more of these because not only is there a difference in some of our kicks, but I noticed a lot of those differences are coming from how we deliver and how we categorize them.
For example, Sensei, with the side kick I said we had two and you said you had many more. I think there is a difference in how we categorize them. We have slide up side kicks, cross behind side kicks, pull drag side kicks, flying side kicks, twist through side kicks, etc...but we treat them as one kick since the same mechanics apply and the same part of the foot makes contact. We will teach the variations as maneuvers, and we teach those separately as they can be applied to most kicks.
So it seems as if we categorize them different, what you would consider having 10 kicks and us only having 2, it's more like our 2 kicks can use 5 different maneuvers and equal the same 10 count, if that makes any sense at all.
The main kicks I went over are what we teach beginners in the first Kicking Set, which is a small kata that teaches how we use these 4 basic kicks but traveling with different foot maneuvers.
Overall, we learn the same amount of kicks as TSD/TKD. If you were to look at belt requirements for a Kenpo school, there are like 5 or more kicks taught at each belt level. We have the jump spinning stuff, the crescents, the axe kicks, all of that...but we don't implement all of it into our defense. We teach them to learn how to use them and to be familiar with them (if they are used against us), but you won't find a jump spinning inside crescent kick inside any of our katas or self defense techniques.
We learn/teach them all, but categorize a core group that are signature and consistent throughout our curriculum
Overall this was a really fun project to work on, and I'm just pointing out that I'm learning more with this than just the differences in our basics, but also how we even approach the concepts to begin with. We could almost do more of these later based on stances and foot maneuvers :D
Ahhh that makes sense. Alright , alright fine, you guys have lots of kicks too!
I would like to learn one of your Kata's one day, would you teach me please??
Yes this was a very fun project, the best part other than working with you Dan is the conversation and buzz this is stirring in the online martial arts community. I'm learning so many new things, new people and great stories. Thank you for giving me this opportunity sir!
I can teach you an American Kenpo Kata
I’m a year late to this series. But that’s OK. I’m a Kenpo student (Tracy’s- because that’s what I could find). I’d rather be a Tang Soo Do student. But the flexibility needed to do well isn’t something I currently possess. Though the Kenpo and yoga I’m doing helps. Once I get close to being able to do some white belt flexibility techniques I was shown I’ll be studying Tang Soo Do.
My reasoning is a bit silly. But years ago we did a training exercise with Korean Marines. Of course we had to fight them- in a friendly way. When we were done one of their guys told me if I knew Tang Soo Do I’d be the toughest American there’s ever been. I may be old now, but those words still ring in my ears 😆
Hie white belt Zak?
our Martial Art we use kempo as well as tkd so we got a great arsenal of kicks.
That is a great combo of kicks!
I like both styles of kicking I want to study Tang soo do I want to know some of best schools in nyc for that style I also want to study kenpo too
I've watched both of your vids now - good job. I'd really like to see a continuation of this co-op, demonstrating the intermediate and advanced techniques. You did a good job covering basics, but there's so much more to both arts that would be a cool compare / contrast series.
Its also interesting to see how both of your styles differ from mine - we have a lot of similarities but some noticeable differences in execution, theory and tactics. For example how Dan's Kenpo does their step behind side kick - we teach this to intermediate kids when they begin doing board breaking. The first version we teach is a stepping across or stepping in front - like our other kicks. Our "stepping across" kicks begin in a back stance, the back foot is brought forward with the foot pointed 90 degrees to the front foot, which keeps the shoulders back, and the heel should be even with or just ahead of the big toe on the front foot. The knee is then chambered for the kick - be it front, side, round, hook, or twist kicks. Back kicks are executed with a step behind or as a turning kick. AS you advance, that "step across" translates into a skip or slide - same basic motion but done quickly vs a methodical step.
We also typically show all the base kicks to beginners and have them develop them as they advance - we don't have a segmented syllabus so that you learn X, Y, and Z techniques at this belt level, A, B, and C at that and so forth. It's something that I think would make it easier for students to learn without feeling overwhelmed but I'm not in charge, so...
It is also interesting to me that you call back leg kicks "spinning" kicks, we call back leg kicks "reverse" kicks like how we would with a reverse punch. For us, a spinning kick entails at least a 180 degree turn typically toward the back - ie a spinning back kick or spinning hook kick. A spinning round for us would be a 360 degree spin - something that looks cool, and is fun, but is wholly impractical. We do have a "stepping across spinning back kick" - it's a mouth full but is not that hard to execute. It begins with the same "step across" that I detailed earlier, then employs a turn or spin so that the front leg becomes the back leg, kicks, then typically you either recoil back or continue the momentum around - depending on if we're kicking air or a physical target. Same basic principle for our spinning vertical (crescent) kick, which other TKD schools call a tornado kick. We would also just call a "wheel kick" a variation of a hook kick.
I noticed you guys touched a little on jumping kicks - but since you didn't get into detail I'm assuming that you teach jumping kicks either as advanced techniques, or as an add on but not part of your core set. We get our students airborne (or try) starting at white belt. Most don't get good at them until 7th or 6th kup, which for us is about a blue belt. I miss the days of being a teenager and able to get air. My knees, back, and hips all have chronic pain unrelated to martial arts, so I don't do a lot of jumping these days.
I really hope you guys consider covering your more advanced techniques, as I think it would be a great continuation of your long distance partnership! I enjoyed both of you gentlemen's videos in this series. Looking forward to seeing how you guys did in the Shotokan tournament too!
Wow that was a mouth full! Thank you so much for contributing to the conversation in such a rich and full statement.
I know the ongoing debate of spinning vs. turning is still not settled. I would really like to get a debate/conversation going about that one of these days.
What style are you training in?
We do have our white belt beginners do 1 jumping kick (flying side kick) then the next rank (yellow) the have 3 jump kicks. From there on the skies the limit.
Thank you for your warm wishes on the Shotokan tournament, that video will air tomorrow at 11am pst. I'm wrapping up the editing as we speak!
Which one of these kicks do you favor the most?
Is hook kick also in American Tang Soo Do?
My Favorite tobi-ushiro(turning back kick) and Mawashi Geri(side kick)
barrettokarate is there a big difference between America tang soo do and Korean tang soo do?
Got love old chicken kick we also have few kicks sensei dan didn't talk about like wheel kick, axe kick and stomp kick.
Out of the kicks shared by Mr Dan, I would say I favour the back kick. In our art we call it simply that. Turn with your back towards the opponent and unless fire and fury. Our heel is higher that the toe position and also we don’t look over our shoulder. Foot work, technique and timing means you will always hit your target. We don’t use the word spinning at all. Just turning kicks (chest turning towards opponent) or reverse turning kick - e.g.: spinning heel kick, spinning roundhouse.
I've never been kicked down there, but I do know it would hurt if I got kicked there, one time I was going to fast down a hill and went over a dirt mound and landed really hard on the seat (I actually bent the bike seat on impact) and it hurt a lot, so yeah it would really hurt to get kicked down there ladys.
wow I'm sorry that happened to you, but I'm thankful you're here to report that piece of scientific information to our female martial artists on here.
HXC Straight Edge Flex @ 3:50 i love yalls channel! Love from Dallas Texas! Respect!
You best believe it buddy! I was stoked swatch brought back the watch, thanks for noticing and thank you for watching!
I'm a tae kwon do practitioner,I love all styles though.just to let y'all know,relaxed fit jeans,will allow you to throw head kicks with ease .great videos by the way!
hahahah yes!! Also those jeans that bill wallace reps, that century makes.
@@SenseiIchi actually go into fitting room put on pants and throw a couple high kicks then do a split. then you found your pants works for all .
@@brucehillbillybarthalow3786 hahahah im doing that, for surreeeee next time!
@@brucehillbillybarthalow3786 That's EXACTLY what I do when I'm buying new pants! I'll throw snapping front and round kicks in the dressing room to make sure I'm able to! Great comment!
5:59 agreed, in Kenpo, back kicks are "supposed" to have your toes *perpendicular* to the ground. Perhaps was a misrepresented kick in demonstration.
Could have been. I bet Dan kicks a little different every time at bat.
Kinda of like I demonstrate it 4:50? Back kicks in Kenpo are with the toes pointed to the floor. That's how I delivered it in this video. It may be harder to see on camera but that's how I back kick and you can clearly see it at 4:50
@@ArtofOneDojo Yes sir! Was unsure why the parallel/perpendicular kick variance was brought up as differing in that kick comparison. Looks perpendicular to me.
Also is how I perform my back kicks and spinning back kicks! Love the video also guys, btw.
What I do not understand: Tang Soo Do has strong influences from Karate. In Karate you do Mawashi Geri aka Round(-house) kick with the ball of the foot as impact area, so you have to pull up your toes. Why does Tang Soo Do do it with the span of the foot? You can kick much harder with the ball of the foot. If you kick as hard with the span as impact area, you hurt your foot.
Great video again guys. Sensei Ichi got jokes! Haha still trying to get over Slap Happy Dan. That visual aid is a crack up. Very happy with this sharing of your arts, it’s been a pleasure to witness.
Kicking strikes are an essential part of most non weapon based martial arts systems. The difficulty in choosing hand vs foot strikes, is the conundrum of reach vs stability to one’s stance.
How efficient the technique is being applied, would also be a key factor in timing and catching the opponent.
It appears to me that both forms express certain training behaviours in class and perhaps a more practical bent when potentially applying a strike in the real world.
Thank you. I got jokes for days my dude, you don't even know. I figured everyone needed the visual to help them get through their day. It's all in good fun, love Dan and very thankful for his participation in this series!
I think kicks definitely have their place in self defense, but.... They are a tricky beasty. If they're done at the wrong time, the wrong way, they could become ones biggest failure. At the same time, they are extremely useful to cover distance, keep people at a distance and to give people a very simple, surprising kiss goodnight.
We all need a good Ally McBeal visual to get us through our day!!
I love it when you are sparring and you deliver a kick to the head, then your opponent has that look on their face.... they be like “did you just kick me?”
Your mouth guard smile says it all!
@@SenseiIchi Exactly. You guys put more emphasis on the kicks so you're more likely to execute a good high snapping kick in a real situation. We CAN do the high kicks and sometimes do, but we emphasis bringing them down instead, disrupting their stance and balance as well.
Great video Sensei
Thank you!
It's true that high kicking is often impractical and risky in self defense situations. I would still train them regularly though, and strive to get a good speed, flexibility and power even when kicking high. The reason is that in order to have good, powerful, fluid and controlled kicks, you need to be able to kick beyond the yardstick, so to say. If a waist height kick is already the maximum you can possibly do, the reality is half of the time, even that one will be stiff, weak, slow or will fail in some way. Your stance or angle will often be compromised, you might be tired, hurt, whatever. Also, if you're able to kick high, your kicks can be unpredictable. You can adjust the height, angle or trajectory mid-technique, because you're not already at your absolute physical limit when you're doing it. Like going higher with the knee, but chopping the kick down to the ribs for devastating power. Another great thing: delaying the impact for a split second. Fire off the kick, let the opponent flinch or do some compensation motion, see where the opening is and then rip it. You can only do that if you have enough strength and control.
As a kenpo blackbelt, I gotta day, MOST kenpo folks don’t kick very well. Korean systems have gorgeous kicks, but i prefer to implement the techniques from indochinese kickboxing systems.
It happens, what they lack in the kicks they make up for in the hands. On behalf of a Korean art, thank you. What do you like about the indochinese kick boxing kicks?
Sensei Ichi that is true, about the hands. To answer your question, I love the power they generate in their roundhouse, and I love that jabbing “teep”
Well then you should already know than, as a Kenpo Black Belt ( 2 words not one) Kicking is not at the top of our list due to the nature of our system. In Kenpo we use hands, elbows, knees, and fingers for self-defense purposes. This is why our kicks don't look as good. Its simply because we don't use them all the time like they do in systems that are focused on kicking like, Taekwondo, Tang Soo Do, Hapkido etc.
Kenpo is 70% hands that’s why and designed for street altercations. Tae kwon doe is 70% kicks and designed for sport Although its great to be balanced I would never trade high skilled hand techniques for kicks . I never lost to a Korean stylist in all style tournaments were also groun was legal shot . Their hand skills are usually very poor and once you angle off their highly telegraphic kick it’s pretty much over for them.
I am taking tangsoodo I studied taekwondo as a kid I'm a red belt I'm studying forms and there all different so my question I guess does each school or different lineage change movements seem like my form are heavy with hip movements
Yes of course. Even in certain Asian provinces the dialect is different in languages. Just like it is in the USA. People have accents and different ways of speech, just like in the martial arts world everyone interprets their own style differently to a certain degree. All depends on the school owner.
What about bichagi in Tang soo do? Or is that the scoop kick you are referring to?
I do not understand what you mean...
I studied Tang soo do under Chung Il Kim. We learned a reverse 45 kick that was called bi chaghi. The kick is ideally used for groin shot but also can be used to the stomach.
What is the percent of kicks used in AK compared to hand strikes? When I used to take it, it was 40 kicks 60 hand strike with kicks stomach or lower.
I'm not sure about that, you'd have to ask @artofonedojo
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Wish I could be more help, sorry.
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@@kevingonzalez3673 I would say 60 hands and 40 kicks is pretty accurate in sparring and self defense, but that's if you're specifying kicks. We have a ton of emphasis on foot work, stances, and maneuvers, so I would say lower body vs upper body is closer to 50/50. But in terms of strikes, I would agree more or less with the 40 kicks and 60 hands.
Kicking is powerful, but risky. You kick over my waist though and you are 100% getting floored, haha.
Thank you Sensei Ichi and also Sensei Dan, both of your kicks from Tang Soo Do and American Kenpo Karate respectively, are intriguing and interesting. Some of the kicks, from both of your respective curriculums, are the same or similar to those we utilise in our Kyokushin Karate. While others differ.
Obviously the theory or philosophical approach, differs in regards to those who created our respective arts. Nevertheless I have learned from both of you, kicking techniques I was not aware of, which I want to try and incorporate, into my own arsenal, especially when it comes to self defense situations. With all due respect to both of you, I only throw high kicks to simeone's head, or chest, when I can set it up, disguise it and ensure that it will not be predicted, telegraphed, intercepted and so forth. So according to your perspective Sensei Ichi, I will kick high if the opportunity to do so, presents itself. On the other hand I too take the cautious approach from Sensei Dan, that if a high kick is done stupidly, without strategic prudence, then you can clearly be unbalanced and thrown to the ground, or grabbed and slammed on the ground. Thank you both for making these videos collaborations and comparisons between both of your martial arts styles, Osu! 🥋👊✌👍😊🤛🇦🇺Juan.
Hey i'll keep making em if you keep watching, thanks for your input Juan!
@@SenseiIchi awesome Sensei Ichi looking forward to your future videos, tutorials and also teachings in general, of the art of Tang Soo Do, Osu!🥋✌👍
To me this ain't about what art is better than other art. It's more like what the art has to offer. BTW I love kicks I have do kyokushin, Kempo, Western kickboxing, Muay Thai and kickboxing styles. These video confused me cuase when I was green belt in Kempo. we do kicking high kicks. But outside the dojo we don't risk high kicks like people do in Okinawan karate, which are risky with high kicks in self defense .. But I done them right, if you use good timing and speed/Power.
I'm not familiar with tang so do. But i was a brown belt in Tkd, I know TSD is heavily on bunkai. More than TKD..
Tang so do is basically the father of tkd its literally korean karate its shotokan with more kicks
I think Kenpo offers kicks above the waist, but as Dan stated " they mainly kick below the waist for practical application. Yes kicks done correctly are very very effective.
That’s right with the ranges are available the higher kicks do well as the movie ‘Perfect Weapon’ showed as done by the kenpo master demonstrated in the fight seens. However, most of the time, personally experienced, y’all just don’t get the space needed and close combat techniques are paramount to kicking techniques. Take out the legs fight ends.
TBH Tang Soo Do has better kicks.
Why thank you, I wont tell dan you said that...
Well that is their focus. Id hope their kicks are better. Hey bjj has better ground work than shotokan. Go figure
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TSD has phenomenal kicks, and definitely has a leg up on Kenpo (see what I did there?) Their kicks snap better and have more versatility, however, I would put a solid Kenpo front kick, side kick, or back kick up against the power of a TSD version. Those basics kicks in Kenpo are VERY solid and have a ton of power, if anything I feel they could at least stand toe to toe (see what I did again?).
Back in the day when I competed tournaments included groin kicks so when facing a kicking stylist who kicked high …. We’ll let’s just say we shut them down. Coming from a Kung fu back ground I was more hand oriented and kicks were back up not the other way around . If you can kick anywhere that’s fine but not at the sake of poor hand skills .
Have been kicked between the legs no serious pain but we are not all equal there
There's no better way. A kick is a kick and a punch is a punch the only difference is mechanics of motion. Korea and Northern China are mountainous. The people tend to be taller and since it snows there the people wore foot covering boots etc for equestrian and SD reasons as well as terrain and weather. Mountains make powerful legs so North kickers and the shorter Southerners favored low kicks and more hands and its warmer. There's exceptions to almost every rule but if you say TSD kicks are better maybe for kicking a man off a horse yes. Even though kempo jutsu people fly also but we favor pragmatic technique over the risky techniques like trying to kick me high and I knock you down and mount you or sweep you and stomp you. WHAT works for you might not work for me. Physiology age weight build height opponent etc etc. I've seen kickers beaten badly by boxers, wrestlers JJ and Aikido and MMA men. I've seen kenpo men beaten by grapplers and even a Street fighter and a boxer. Kempo WASN'T defeated the dude doing it was. TSD wasn't defeated the dude doing it was. I'm built for kempo jutsu and even in old age her science is still sound and Effective because I AM. OSU and respect for NO FREAKING BETTER STYLES only better men. 🐅 🐉
Wow that was magnificent, thank you for your insight. You should look into writing a book with all that knowledge.
Spinning and turning kicks are different in execution and power.
That is a very accurate statement.
Yes it hurts! Been kicked there, and YOUCH! Definitely not a pleasant experience.
I train tang shoo doo and i know tang shoo doo kicking is hard
Nice, where do you train at?
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Are you wearing sunglasses inside ?
Both these styles are similar to each other, go watch k1 CHAMPIONSHIPS OR bellator or strikeforce or invicta or anywere they have different striking arts face eachother you will find muay thai is the king of striking arts
They are. I will do that, thank you.