Tang Soo Do vs Kenpo: STRIKES | ART OF ONE DOJO
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- Tang Soo Do Vs Kenpo!
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This is the second of a three episode collaboration with Sensei Ichi, of T.O. Westlake Karate in Thousand Oaks, California. These are a friendly comparison between our systems in an exploration of similarities and differences. This isn't a debate, and there is no "whose system is better". This is two arts coming together to share.
You can find Part 1 Here: • Tang Soo Do VS Kenpo :...
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Oh you got jokes now! I like it. Thank you D for your feedback and analysis, this was a great video. I can't wait for everyone to see episode 3 next Monday at 11am pst. !!
“Best of All, Worst of None” - Master Ken
It's fascinating seeing or hearing about the two arts, side by side. I come from a Kajukenbo based dojo who's main art(s) is Jujitsu and Judo. Our striking system is based off both boxing and kickboxing. At one point, when I needed to train closer to my job, I briefly attended another Kajukenbo based dojo, under the same Professor's ownership, except the main art there was...Tang Soo Do. While there, we would do the traditional Karate kicks, but actually favored boxing/kickboxing related punches. It was cool - we would punch a bag 1000 times with boxing combos, dodge tennis balls, learn to bob and weave, but would end every night with a traditional "kata", with the old school linear punches. It's neat seeing arts work in harmony(the basis of Kajukenbo), like this. The "Ka" in Kaju actually honors Tang Soo Do(Korean Karate, basically), while the "Ken" represented Kenpo/Kempo in the form of Kara Ho Kempo(Chinese), and is the dominant style in Kajukenbo. Again, why this video was neat for me to watch. I also find the different styles of Kenpo/Kempo fascinating. I had the opportunity to train in Okinawan Kempo for a week. A couple of the self defense techniques that I learned, I would never use, but there were some...even though I train Kaju...I would add to my practice regimen for sure. There is a lot of pressure point focus(Kyusho) in the Okinawan style. In Kaju, we utilize a lot of hammer fists and back hands similar to what you explained with American Kenpo. Our first "Punch Counter" actually parries the extended arm, while simultaneously striking the bicep with an inward hammer fist. No one thinks to strike an arm(doesn't look cool, I guess), but you are essentially taking out the weapon. Then back hand to the carotid artery, return with a palm strike to the other side of the neck, then gable grip that hand, and lean your weight the side - pulling the attacker down to a knee on belly position - Oh, and check your back!. I love my Jujitsu, but Kempo is just too much fun to learn.
I was going to say no one is going to read all of this, but then I read all of this. Lol It was a great read!!! Im a certified 2nd degree Black Belt under the student of a 1st generation Black Belt of the American Kenpo system's founder Sr. Grandmaster Ed Parker. Even though I am an American Kenpo practitioner, I'm open to learning about other martial arts. Espessially self-defense arts like the one you practice; the system of Kajukenbo!! That is a crazy good system that is extremely effective. I know this because I have had to defend myself on several occasions fortunately and UNfortunately, and I can see the many similarities between Kenpo Karate and Kajukenbo and can tell what would work for me in actual combat. I have huge respect for your system of Karate and thank you for sharing.
Respectfully,
Sensei Alan R. Love
2nd Degree Black Belt
American Kenpo Karate (Parker lineage)
Instructor: Grandmaster Dennis Tosten (9th degree Black Belt ((American Kenpo)) 10th Dan Black Belt ((Chinese Kenpo))).
@@shozinryu4 I was pretty long winded there. It doesn't always feel like much as you're typing, sometimes, but then you go back to proof read, and you think to yourself - WHOA...Did I really just type all of that?! Ha! Thanks for your reply and comment brother👊
IN the mid 80s when I took "Kenpo" we had an actual hook and upper cut. Which seems to be in line with Ed Parker's additions of "boxing."
The hook and uppercut are very much a part of Kenpo's striking system indeed!
@@ArtofOneDojo I do feel somewhat cheated in my Kenpo training. I was about to go for my blue belt test when we moved away. (Belts in this dojo were white, orange, green, blue, purple, brown, black) We were taught all sorts of strikes, kicks and take downs. We did A LOT of sparing. But I was only ever taught three katas. Form 1 and 2 and the "finger kata."
When I go through Kenpo material today, I see ALL sorts of forms and techniques with interesting names like 'Evading the Storm' and "Swinging Pendulum."
Thus far, the fighting stance you have presented in this video is the only stance I recognize from what I was taught. When I compare yours to say, Tatum's; I don't recognize what I know as Kenpo. :(
Nice video! Showing the differences between different techniques, comparasion and contrast, really helps people to hone their techniques. Awesome to see your channel do comparative collaborations between different martial arts. Makes for a very interesting channel with awesome subject matter. Great job guys! 👍
Love this series.
We do have elbow and back fist strikes in TSD.
Ameridote. That channel is funny.
I’m loving the crossover series. Great content. Very well explained. Please keep it up. 👍🏼
Thank you for this series, where we see comparative styles, techniques, and strategies -- without judging the merits. Jesse Encampe and JKA's Naka Sensei have been doing this for quite some time. Keep up the good work!
Great vid fella’s, really enjoyed Ep2. Love the fact that there are jokes now. It highlights the level of trust and respect you both have for each other. Also, it demonstrates what I would consider, as your go to teaching styles in class.
You both should be congratulated for your efforts to the wider community as a whole.
Kicking next episode?! Bring that on!
“Always re-stomp the groin.”-Master Ken
I love your videos! Keep up the great work!
So apparently you can either ask a puzzling question, or you can just make them wait, and then use the vertical spear hand to poke them in the eyes :D. You forgot to mention the horizontal heel palm is great for snapping arm joints, aka the Elbow. Also, jokes on you! I went to his channel and watched the video for this YESTERDAY! All in all another great video, I am a little sad to think that the last comparison video is happening next week, same Battime, same Batchannel. I am looking forward to any other team ups you do in the future especially with Sensei Ichi, that dude is a riot!
awe thanks buddy, I try.
Traditional Okinawan Karate is a mix of both
Can't wait for part 3
Great series, enjoying it, good work!
nice ! lets see part 3 .
The strikes of both these styles are amazing!
That vertical fist or Sun fist as we call it in Kung fu, was nice to see!
Excellent constructive, as well as educational, comparative, collaboration between you Sensei Dan of American Kenpo Karate, along with Sensei Ichi of Tang Soo Do.
Many of your strikes from both of your respective styles, are similar, while others somewhat different, to those in our Kyokushin Karate style. However while similar in execution, with minor different techniques variations, our 'Bunkai' or application of those techniques differ somewhat, given that we target different areas or regions of the body.
Overall the Chinese martial arts influence in our arts, are clearly evident, since regardless of Okinawan, Korean or Japanese martial arts styles, many take elements of Chinese Kung Fu styles. So no doubt things such as stances, basic strikes such as fists and kicks, have been taken from an initial source, then over time expanded, modified and tailor suited to our style, strategy and personal, philosophical objectives.
Once again an excellent job done by both of you. Eagerly looking forward to your next segment and collaboration. Greetings as always from Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺😊👍✌,Osu! Juan.
Master Ken must be watching from the back!
Isn't master Ken ALWAYS watching?
I always called the inverted palm strike and rechamber grab move "Rolling the dice" or "Throwing Craps" (again dice reference). And my father studied Kusho Ryu Kenpo Jujitsu and later on joined me with IKCA many years later. We both believe "We have DNA Evidence/bodily remains of the guy" reference to scratching or ripping.
I'm a black belt in Tang Soo Do and am studying Kenpo so I feel I can answer your closing question to Sensei (though in TSD he should be either a Kyo Sa or a Sa Bom Nim) Ichi. The backfist is one of the cornerstones of Tang Soo Do IMO. It's almost in every suggested attack combination on the Moo Duk Kwan handbooks. I'd say it's the most used closed fist technique after the Reverse Punch. It's called a Cap Kwon Kong Kyuk in Korean.
Tang Soo Do also uses a lot of Elbow strikes. They're seen in some of the Self Defense techniques (Ho Sin Sul), a few of the One Step Sparring exercises (Il Soo Sik Daeryun) and for example, the Chil Sung Sa Ro form has a LOT of Elbow strikes (many others have them as well, but this one stands out).
Like your videos.
Keep posting.
Tearing off a paper towel? Ugh! FLAWLESS VICTORY!
Cool sir 👍
That was a great video. I am grateful for your clear, to the point, and quality content. I would love to learn Kenpo from you. Do you have an online course? Do you do online lessons? Please let me know how I can contact you.
also, does tang soo do preform hand & punching combinations?
While they probably don't teach the "stab with the rib" move in american kenpo. I'm pretty sure I remember Fred vilari teaching something like that once 😅
Hey Mr. Dan, I don't remember which video/comments it was in, but I rented The Perfect Weapon at your recommendation and it was Great!
Hey Awesome! It may be a cheesy 90's movie but it's a lot of fun, and it's the best Kenpo represented film I've come across. I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
We have a hammer fist in shotokan but that's more of a C Step or front stomp followed by a hammer down strike.
We do similar in Kenpo, but because the c step, and the hammer fist are both their own movement, they can be combined or used on their own without the other.
Can you make video that shows a timeline of martial arts from the first to the latest art
That would be A VERY long video. But perhaps that could be a later series once I've done more research.
Raising falling kick please.
Please!!! Can you make a video about Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan???? Thank you in advance!!!
Nice, Ameradote'
Ya suppose and plus when they are truly mastered they can be effective it was just my opinion ,Because I practiced traditional karate and I really found Muay Thai better well I did practice Muay Thai a lot longer so ya I agree @art of one dojo
And that's fine, Muay Thai is an awesome and very effective art. Just a bunch of ideas out there and different people will find different things that work for them.
Art of one dojo could u possibly do a video on Muay Thai maybe I just think it’s a very popular art and people might like it.
Have you ever thought of doing a video on Chun kuk do/the chuck norris system?
Yes, definitely a consideration. There is a LOOONG list of arts we're trying to cover :)
Awesome ! I ask because the tae kwon do schools in my area (all but one) are a hybrid of the CNS and taw kwon do (associated with ufaf). I myself was a student many years ago and made it to red belt, 2 or 3 stripes away from black. I stopped because i didnt appreciate martial arts as much back then as i do now and have been thinking of going back and atarting again and taking boxing on the side. I know plenty about CNS myself, but its just bee really cool to see you do a vid on it as you always have really valuable input. Thanks!
Does tang soo do, do hooks & round punches?
Sensei Ichi can probably answer this one better than I can. Check out his half of the video, he gives a lot of great feedback!
How do you keep yoir fingers from getting hurt on the spearhand?
There are drills to make the fingers stronger (like fingertip pushups) Also, personally speaking I like soft targets, such as eyes and throat. For body shots like I mentioned in the video I would go more for under the ribs, If your fingers are strong then you can dig in there a little bit. Groin shots are good too. I personally wouldn't spear the chest or a hard target, but some people are fine with doing so.
@@ArtofOneDojo good point. Im too fat right now to do finger tip push ups anyway. I got away from TMA and mainly focused on boxing n kickboxing over the past 20 years before letting myself go. I love your input. Thank you.
@@ArtofOneDojo Here is a legit question. Is American Kenpo or any of the various forms of Kenpo that you speak about really considered TMA. Or are the American arts that have evolved from TMA. Sort of like MMA. At its roots MMA is various TMA, but the system is. Modern American. Or even BJJ. Even that is a martial art that os derived from TMA I would assume. Or perhaps Judo. Judo is not really that old. Older than BJJ but evolved from an older style. Anyway, what is your thaought?
If pushups are hard then a good place way to build up is to either start from your knees and push up with your knees making contact to the floor, so you have a bit of a "hinge". Or alternatively leaning against a wall and pushing away. Doing either of those for a while will build up the ability to start doing them in regular form :)
@@ArtofOneDojo Good options sir.
u guys didn't mention the Cloud Punch - jumping (stance switch) straight punch from rear stance to lead stance :P
Cloud Punch? That's definitely not a Kenpo technique.
@@ArtofOneDojo yep there's even a Cloud Kick. And MVP in Bellator once won a fight with a Cloud Knee. Its a jumping stance switch.
Who was your master?
Pat Johnson?.... The Karate Kid referee?!?
Yep! He's a Tang Soo do master. He choreographed the Karate Kid, Ninja Turtles, Mortal Kombat, and other films.
The only targets that any newbie should learn are eyes, nose throat, period. Kill smash destroy
Ameridote, if done right, no can defend!
An instructor in tang soo do is not called sensei . Sensei is Japanese. Tang soo do is Korean
Sensei Ichi is part Japanese and he chooses to use the term Sensei. It's also common for Tang Soo Do schools in America to use Karate terms as it's considered Korean Karate. I've seen a lot of Dojangs refer to themselves as Dojos, Karate, and Sensei's.
Kenpo is more advanced. We have had these conversations before. Did you see your video by chance?
Kenpo strikes is base on power and speed. Circular and straight motion. Than borrows a heavy component from boxing as well. Tang Soo Do is no different than karate and tae kwon do striking methods. A lot of it is linear!!!! Kenpoist aim is too strike with the full acceleration of the body itself. That's what separate it from Tang Soo Do, or any other systems.
I wouldn't want to do ippon kumite with someone whose spearhand could do the same rhing that lorena bobbitt did. Ouchhhh!!!!
SHISHKABOB!!!!!
#Ameridote ;-)
@2:00. Why why practice a punch that you are saying is not practical ? ? ? ? Modernize the Punch system
Uhhh- TSD is 🇰🇷: Y Sensei is 🇯🇵?!
He chooses to go by Sensei because his heritage is half Japanese. A lot of TSD schools will use Japanese terminology, it's not uncommon.
@@ArtofOneDojo not very traditional, gomen nasai- 👁ve schooled w/ 🇨🇳, 🇰🇷, 🇯🇵, & only use appropriate terminology specific to that national Art ☯
@@fredricclack7137 It doesn't have to be traditional. Each school has the right to decide what terms they use and how they teach. As long as their teaching is good, what does it matter?
@@ArtofOneDojo Tru- just "raised" traditionally; IF 👎 McDojoistic ☯
The winner will always be Gracie Jiujitsu
Ehhh.....
Lol don't ridgehand the head...
A ridgehand to the nose can be quite effective.
Why this ichi man talking like express train...oh wht a speed
I got $10 on Goju-ryu to take both.
:P
@@ArtofOneDojo BTW. I missed the LOL at the end of that. I took some Kenpo when I was young, I enjoyed it.
Wtf is kenpo?
You haven't heard of Kenpo? There are all sorts of variations of it, many date back to Chinese roots. American Kenpo is a system developed by Ed Parker in the 50s/60s as a system of self defense.
Michael, you are rather fortunate that Mr Daniel has already done a three part series on this, I encourage you to check it out. th-cam.com/video/fk_RkZortw8/w-d-xo.html
It's the male counterpart to barbiepo.😂🤡🐯 nah seriously it translates to Fist law. Chaun fa and it's the Bubishi of Karate do and jutsu. I won't tell you what the Bubishi is it'll make you feel better if you look it up.🐯
Muay Thai would beat the two of them together no offense. Like come on I love this channel but the second strike he left he’s chin completely exposed if I did that strike in a fight I would get knocked out. Like it’s my opinion but I really think a high level Muay Thai would beat both of them .There great for self defense if someone doesn’t no how to fight
Ha, you got Ameradote'd uoos!
Well, i practiced soo bahk do(very similar to tang soo do) for 2 and a half year... Was pretty far from an expert... When i started boxing, with footwork alone i frustrated guys with 12 times mlre experience than me... When i went to sanda(imagine something similar to muay thai but add judo throws) my kicks were formidable, and my footwork was still way beyond the footwork of guys with years of experience...
These were simple break down of mechanics and a quick basics explanation, not a full speed, full application demo in sparring.
Its interesting.... Self defense isn't about fancy this or locking that...usually, it's a suckered situation ya get caught in. It's time to hurt people and go home. My point is sparring can teach distance fundamentals and being hit, but 8 times out of 10 a kick in the nuts, rake in the eye or a throat shot. Not many want more. And the ones that do ya give it to them. Just sayin.
@@davidballard4550 True, but sometimes in order to be good enough to LAND those eye or throat shots, you have to practice strikes like the above. Actually those are exactly the inserts I'm referring to. Also important to point out that half the time a nut shot won't end a fight immediately. With adrenaline running there is a good chance a person might not feel it or be aware of it until after the fight. That's happened to me in sparring, getting a shot and not really feeling the pain set in until a minute or two later. Not always instant. Why not learn all different ways of striking and then stick to the few basics that work well for each individual person?
Boxing is superior
In what way? Maybe in jabs, crosses, and uppercuts, but boxing doesn't have half of the strikes that other martial arts systems have.