This is what the world needs. The martial arts community having a cooperative conversation - addressing differences as rich elements that can be learned from and incorporated. Fantastic!
Love seeing the positive comparison of these two arts exploring the similarities and differences without bashing one art or the other. Looking forward to the rest of this series
From what I have learned in Kyokushin Karate, I like to view blocks as strikes to the limb(s) that attack us. Or as an opportunity to stick, and engage a sweep or takedown or simply an interception. Some people view a block as a waste of energy but I have found that a good block with conditioned forearms definitely makes the opposition recalculate their attack plan which then opens opportunities for offense. Just my thoughts. Thanks for sharing 🙏
Oh you got jokes on my red vines aye... That's it , we're fighting! Great video sir! Thank you so much for your insight, it's always so wild to see how similar and yet different our styles really are. I like how it gets to the point of same, same, same and then we each have our 3 or 4 different blocks that are unique to our own styles. Really cool stuff.
@@ArtofOneDojo more of a Chinese proverb that I also heard on Street Fighter Assassins Fist. But thanks for reminding me that Jesse also says this. Hey you won't happen to be planning something with him would ya? Because that's be awesome as well!
Nice video guys! Awesome to have complementary insights on how to do these seemingly basic moves. Two different perspectives, different arts, different methodologies...yet the same, common results. Looking forward to seeing the next collaboration! 😊👍
I'm digging this series. I know I've tossed a couple of joke comments your way that caught your attention, but my main art is Tang Soo Do. I would have liked to have taken up American Kenpo, but in my small Michigan town, the only martial arts for a long time were Tang Soo Do or Tae Kwon Do (a school has recently opened BJJ). The flowing style of American Kenpo striking is fantastic. The longer I've studied my art, the more I've learned that these blocks aren't just blocks. Especially when placed in the context of kata bunkai. You learn that these blocks might be a strike of some kind, a joint lock, or even a throw. You really learn to appreciate karate as a standing martial art that way.
Had the exact same challenge moving from California to Michigan trying to find an Ed Parker Kenpo school. Trying krav maga now. Not quite the same but some similar efficiencies.
Palmetto NDN that makes sense. I see a lot of similar economies of motion - which is why I chose Krav. They seem to focus more on gross motor skills though, so they are not as precise/ sophisticated in their techniques. That has advantages and disadvantages that I’ve seen so far. Overall I would say it’s still a very effective style.
Great video! Can't wait to see the videos talking about the punches and kicks. And I subscribed to sensei ichi's channel and turned on notifications :)
very good description on "shifting" for blocks in Tang soo Do. That is where you get all of your power. Ahhh memories and feels. I took Tang Soo Do years ago. I was almost a black belt. I want to take Karate again, but there are no more Tang Soo Doo schools in my Area. My friends teach Tae Kwon Do at their church. Hey do a video on differences between Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do. There are many differences people don't realize. Especially with the kicks.
Such a cool video guys! Soooo geeking out right now! What a great sharing of insights, into the art of these two martial forms. The style I have been training and teaching in, is very similar to Tang Soo Do system. In addition, we also have elements of Kenpo Karate as well it seems. That shield technique of both arms being used (lead hand low set, rear hand high set positions), we have multiple applications for this. Wow just wow... just want to get in a plane and doing a year long training tour! Now that is an idea!
That's awesome! I love hearing this and I love hearing that people are finding similarities in both of our systems in their arts. If you ever go on tour in South Florida, let me know! :D
I basically have training in both kenpo and TSD. I traditionally learned the TSD way of doing them. However, from watching your video, over the years I have transitioned to blocking much more like you do in AK. Why? They are faster and more applicable to using in a real situation. The TSD blocks are slow and that hip chamber is a bad habit to have. Also, take the upward block. HIs arm moves straight up. You start the block with a rising fist and rotate the elbow to complete the block. That is much more powerful. I learned that way from shotokan. Also, TSD has no "answering the phone" type of block which is a very important one. When I grade technique, I look for how will it work in sparring, but even more important, how will it work in a real fight.
This is American TSD, which really seems to have lost touch with actual combat. Much of what this guy demonstrates is wrong accordng to the teachings of the Moo Duk Kwan, the original form of Tang Soo Do. The fist t the ear (terrible idea), the way he does teh high block, and various other aspects, are just bad.
Good video. I've trained under many Tang Soo Do organizations though out my time. I've never seen American Tang Soo Do before though, so even seeing the differences from the other version of TSD is fascinating. In all the TSD schools I've been in we the blocking arm never goes past or at least far past mid line (as in the I/O and O/I blocks demonstrated). The hip movement is there, but there is definitely variability in amount and emphasis through out the ones I've trained in.
Both are very interesting. Clear overlaps plus the added possibilities by learning the differences. Nicely done! I was told that the term used for the blocks (age uke, soto uke, shuto uke, etc) comes from the word “ukeru” which roughly translates to receive. You are receiving an attack and the technique itself can either stop the attack, deflect it or be used as an attack on its own. In situations when the block is being used as a strike the sets often represent the actual interception of the technique by seizing the opponent with the hand that sets and striking with the one that blocks. This has to do with the differences in the range of combat of old karate which was in general closer to a grappling range than what we generally see in karate nowadays.
This was very cool and interesting. I’ve studied TSD for 4 years, and I see the variation in how American TSD differs from the traditional art. It was good to see the applications too.
Yeah, it seems different, but similar. In regards to this video, the first few forms (Katas/Hyungs/whatever you want to call it) taught you from the get go how to move with the blocks, as well as transitioning into strikes. Good memories, I studied TSD when I was younger, but broke my ankle a week before my black belt test...and being a kid going into middle school, I quickly lost interest waiting for my ankle to heal. 🤷♂️😑
The way our school does the Twirling wings we use reinforced blocks for the first move. However, and maybe I just missed it, but I didn't hear you respond to Sensei Ichi's wrist snap, or rotational torque, but maybe I just missed it. Great Episode Looking forward to more, and will be heading over to see the other video Sensei Ichi's channel.
Although blocks can be used as strikes, the proper definition of a kenpo block: force against force, against a weapon in flight, without the intent to cause injury. Parry: force against force, against a weapon in flight, without the intent to cause injury, using riding motion. Also, the vertical outward block in kenpo is a block. Not as strong as the extended, but can still be used to block. Great videos! Looking forward to the strikes and kicks.
If you notice, all striking arts are tied to funakoshi from Japan and China somewhere. I’m a 2 Dan in ITF style TKD. Founder of TKD learned from him. All of the moves are similar just teaching methods are different. Even Chuck Norris calls tang so do the taekwondo system. My barber is in the mudokwon hall of fame and good friend to Chuck Norris says the same thing.
Uh oh red vines vs twizzlers it's on now! lol Ichi (first off it'd be awesome if you had "Zato" in front of your name hehehe) whoa the "X" block I haven't seen those since the first dojo I was in 20 + years ago in my early teens which was Taekwondo based. I'm not sure if my style teaches those and the reinforced blocks. Dan your universal block is similar to our Chudan Uchiuke Gedan Barai= Middle (inside to outside) and lower block together. Only we use it in the front of our body as opposed to the side.
That's awesome, so it's cool to see even more similarities that Kyokushin has with our arts too. You having a connection with Tang Soo Do makes a lot of sense, since Shotokan is a root in both your lineages.
Do you use open hand or closed hand techniques me personally I study HTF taekwondo and I use a lot of open hand techniques ? With the caveat that I'll break some fingers if not done properly so they train me to use close hand but I prefer open hand.
I use both, but I do like a lot of open hand techniques. Palm heels to the sides of the jaw or bridge of the nose can be powerful and effective strikes.
Both styles of blocks are amazing! I like the ones that strike back at the strike the most! Also, Red vines can be cool and Twizzlers can be cool, but i like that licorice! Both real and fake!
What people need to also understand is that (Especially today) even within the same art, there can be so many differences and varieties since there is little regulating what people can and will do.
On the knife hand block the Sensei Ichi showed, it would have been wiser to tighten his fingers together. Sensei Ichi really needs to be more aware of his knife hand. The right hand was tight at times, but the left was always loose. Otherwise, inertia will cause the fingers to come together on contact and it will cause pain. I have been seeing this a lot in martial art videos. It shows how little a knife hand is used in sparring. When wearing sparring gear people usually don't use their knife hand. Mr. Dan had a good tight knife hand. I'd also like to point out that the open hand portions of Mr. Dan's blocks could easily blend into a softer style grab. I really like the redirect in the upper x block too. It makes a lot of sense because if your opponent/sparring partner has a stick, momentum will carry the stick to your head.
I do apologise in advance I got my black belt in goju Ryu over 27 years ago and now have returned back to martial arts at the age of 46 what is the difference between American Tang soo do and English or European Tang soo do.
This is an excellent question, Sensei Ichi may be more informed to answer this one as Tang Soo Do is his specialty. I will let you know you asked this. @senseiichi
Actually, if you cut and paste this question and put it as a comment on his video on blocks, he can probably answer you faster that way. Here is the link to his video: th-cam.com/video/Jmdx4b39gSI/w-d-xo.html
@@yosafatsurya1082 Soo Bahk Do is Tang Soo Do - the Moo Duk Kwan founder renamed his art from Tang Soo Do to Soo Bahk Do because it is a more Korean name, and they are claiming more Korean heritage than Chinese - it has more to do with nationalism than the actual art practiced. Moo Duk Kwan has had three names for the art they practice - Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwon Do, and Soo Bahk Do - the MDK was important in the early founding days of Tae Kwon Do but politics caused the founder to pull back from TKD and stick to doing what they always did, and it was not long after that they began calling their art Soo Bahk Do rather than Tang Soo Do. There are still Tae Kwon Do schools which claim a Moo Duk Kwan lineage. There may be minor tweaks between the styles - but the core is the same. They're not teaching a drastically different art.
I would really appreciate it if you can do one for the difference and similarity between Aikido and Aikijujutsu since there is a lot of confusion online
@Limau Purut There is still more to that and it's that over simplification that people get so many facts wrong. Aikido has a lot more overly circular moves that are not featured in Aikijujutsu and does not have many of pinning techniques Aikijujutsu has. Depending on what line of Aikido one follows, they may have some strikes (atemi) but generally favors parrying as to not meet force to force. Aikijujutsu also is not just a harder version of Aikido sine it has many interesting use of Aiki and other moves that are just gone from Aikido. So many people tend to think it's just a violent form of Aikido and don't see that there is much more to that
TSD definitely looks better, with more exaggerated movements and set up. However, I personally believe the more compact movements are much more applicable to reality in a self defense environment. I practice Okinawa Kempo Karate, believing in the root forms. I agree with the other comment that everyone wants to put their own spin on things; everything really. I am glad that it was pointed out that in reality there would not be time for perfect set up of technique.
Sensei Ichi is half Japanese, and it's not too uncommon for a lot of TSD schools to call themselves Karate and use the word "Sensei". He chooses to use it for his background.
i did Korean tang so do for 2 years in high school i recall doing the low black while in a bow stance i told the hand should come down low enough to protect your groin. all so recall one step sparring drills i would say in my opinion its closer to shotokan karate
Tang Soo do was explained to me as way of the China hand. HELLO ! ALL martial arts and sciences are related differing only in mechanics and terminology. Oss and respect for sweet karma 🐅🐉🙏🏾🙏 💪🏾
albero maldonado Next year, in Tokyo - Karate will be making its Olympic debut. Long long overdue... As far as which styles are concerned, can’t help you there - sorry bud.
The olympics will allow 2 competitions for Karate...Kumite and Kata. The Kumite appears to be open division, most likely to a wide variety of arts. If there is a limit to the arts then I haven't found it. The Kata portion, according to wikipedia, is limited to Gōjū-ryū, Shitō-ryū, Shotokan and Wadō-ryū. Those are the katas that are allowed and this has apparently caused some criticism.
Does Kenpo karate work? I remember in UFC 1 there was a Kenpo guy who beat up....I didn't see much of his Kenpo stuff, it just looked like generic fighting.
I have a real question. Since many MMA pro's come from traditional martial arts, why don't we see any of these blocks in competitive MMA? I've used these blocks in real life and they work, so why don't we see it in competitive MMA? I find that these blocks to break the opponents balance for a counter attack, or to let them know that my defense is my offense.
MyTwoCents this is a great question. In my opinion , we don’t see many traditional blocks in MMA because MMA is not traditional. The purpose of modern day MMA is not to show self defense , it is to put two top tier athletes against each other . MMA is not real life or death. It’s a sport. A lot of these techniques are taught to do a couple then counter and get out the situation. That’s not mma . A simple three step technique that isn’t legal in mma. An agressor come over the top to head grab you. Rising block, followed by a throat strike, then a round kick to the outside of the knee. Then gtfo.
Interesting Video. No disrespect, but I don't really believe in becoming proficient in Blocks. In my opinion, it is better to either Evade the Attack, or Intercept it ;)
After watching this video I realized my art does not have any ‘blocks’ per se. our reaction to any attack is always predicated on re-direction from an oblique angle, combined with arm rotation, waist rotation and sinking to disrupt upon contact.
While it's nice to see similarities and differences between different arts, you need to clarify that Tang Soo Do is a karate based Korean martial art. American Tang Soo Do is essentially American Karate founded by Chuck Norris.
16:13 "I wouldn't suggest hitting the elbow or above..." Well, it is certainly not wise to hit above the elbow. But hitting the elbow itself... Very effective! No matter if you hit it from the inside or the outside. But if you hit it from the outside: be careful, or you might break your partners elbow. Out of my own experience I can tell you that a) it works and b) it is wuite painful.
Both Tang Soo Do and Kenpo both share the same principles in the Chinese aspect, but the only difference is that one has more Korean principles while the other Japanese, but unlike Kenpo the stances are different than Tang Soo Do and the techniques but overall, they share alot in common.
It's a blurred definition. Technically, it's not original Okinawan Karate. But then again, neither is Japanese Karate. They all blend and form other systems. Karate is from Okinawa and when it went to Japan, some of the systems merged and new forms arrived (such as Shotokan, which is formed from Okinawan Shorin Ryu and Shorei Ryu). Japanese Karate made it's way to Korea and new systems stemmed from that. Tang Soo Do formed greatly from Shotokan so you can consider it another generation of Karate. Is it technically Okinawan pure Karate? No. But these days with everything mixed it is often called "Korean Karate" because it has a lot of the same roots and characteristics.
Never knew Jonah Hill is actually a 5th Degree Kenpo Practitioner. Maybe that's why he got so easy alternating his weight figure through each movie character of his
Lol he was waiting to see how long it would be before someone asked this, he gets it so the time. He's half Japanese and Sensei just means teacher so he chose to use that instead.
American Tang Soo Do is very different from actual Tang Soo Do (purple and orange aren't even Tang Soo Do ranks, also almost all the techniques are different)
If you mean the young guy who's been training for 30 years and co owns and runs a school with his Father and earned a 7th degree then yes that's him. In Tang Soo Do, Grandmaster is a title applied to 7th dan or above.
You should have a question mark at the end of this as it's a question. You can still have some exclamation marks too if you want to highlight the energy of the question, but still, you're missing the question marks.
Son gets bullied in school so mother sends him to martial arts class, after a few years of spending money he still gets bullied Clever mother sends a bullied son to a friend or uncle where he teaches him a couple of knock out blows the clever mother then finds herself in the principles office from a complaint by the bullies mother that clever mums son knocked the him out.
You seem like you've had some personal bad experiences with martial arts. Are you ok? I will agree that there are a LOT of bad schools out there all about the money, but that's not every school. There are some really good schools out there if you know what to look for. I recommend checking out one of my earlier videos "What is a McDojo?". I'm sorry if you have had a negative experience. If I may ask, have you trained before and what art what is?
@@ArtofOneDojo ok yes I have had bad experiences, I learned karate all through my teen years and was still loosing in street situations, only now that I'm a lot older i realized is that you don't wait for them to punch you, you punch them straight away, once you do that they back off.
@@nicholaslucas6014 You are correct, you don't wait. But sometimes they punch before you can punch first. Sometimes you get hit, sometimes you can move in a way to lessen the hit, sometimes you can stop it. It's all about understanding timing and how the body moves. There is more to fighting than just throwing a knockout punch.
I'm sorry. Both of you seem like very nice people. And I don't want either of you to get punched in the face. Which is why I'm saying all of these blocks will get you punched in the face. Please don't confuse this for trolling. If I opened the newspaper tomorrow and saw "The Guy From Art of One Dojo and Also That Tang Soo Do Guy Got Punched In The Face", it would upset me and I'd feel bad. So please, don't use those blocks. Please don't incorporate motions that go far away from your body, outside of where the guy is punching (your face). Keep a high guard with your chin down and your hands up that involves minimal movement instead of large, sweeping motions or linear strikes that require pinpoint precision. Don't let the bullies win.
There are different schools of thought when it comes to blocking and different methods. You can stop a punch or attack before it enters your body zone or you can let it get in and shield up, as you suggest. The large sweeping motions are used in specific situations, they do NOT require pinpoint precision, quite the opposite actually, and can lead into tactics that disrupt an opponent's balance or ability to swing again. Most of the blocks shown by Sensei Ichi and myself have a wide blocking area, typically from wrist to elbow. That's not pin point precision, it's a built in margin for error. Your guard as you suggest works fine, but I will also tell you from experience so do ours. I use these blocks ALL THE TIME in sparring and I'm usually able to deflect 80-90%. For the remainder that get through I try to position out of the way or do what I have to in order to lessen the impact of the strike. I have used a few of these in real life too so I assure you if you know what you are doing, they can work.
I think the issue is with the word block, in Japan when the martial arts were introduced into the school systems the word block became attached to the movements. I am a Tang Soo Do guy of 19 years, if you take the word used for "block" which is mahkee in Korean and give it a better definition you get counter. With that in mind you may counter a punch with an inside block by first perrying the punch with one hand, then grabbing the punch with the other hand, and pulling them in to hit them in the jaw with your inside block. Hopefully that made some since, but in short, the issue is not with the movements but with the idea behind them, if you wouldn't use it in a sparring match as a block is not a block.
@@ArtofOneDojo I have to disagree on the grounds that--and I know you've heard this before, and I'm sure you're sick of hearing it--this theory absolutely does not work in MMA. When I evaluate my training, I always ask myself "How would this work against the best in the world?" and adjust my approach accordingly. Life is too fragile and too precious to assume my assailant will take it easy on me. I use this example a lot: If you watch boxing or MMA, people get punished brutally for tiny infractions. Their hands slip for a second, their shoulders sag when they punch, their chin rises slightly. And boom. Knockout. The margin of error is microscopic even when you're doing everything right. Yet when I see various forms of TMA, they don't even seem to consider these incredibly crucial things, often arguing "we just don't do it that way". They drop their hands, stick out their chins, and all but beg to get KOed, as if American Kempo or Tang Soo Do have a magical way to circumvent the basics. But the reality is that the second or two it takes to throw a wide block--as opposed to a tight one--is a relatively large and unforgiving window. Effective blocks rely on tiny movements that require minimal adjustments to your existing guard. Wide, sweeping blocks designed to microtarget specific strikes are infinitely harder to land because not only are they slower, but the point of contact has to coincide perfectly; otherwise, the rest of the motion is just wasted energy. That's not a personal preference; that's basic....everything. And this is why I worry. I'm not trying to be a condescending douche. Really, I'm not. But if these techniques regularly work in your sparring, then it raises questions to me about your specific training methodology. Maybe we can put this discussion to productive use, though. Have you considered making a video about your sparring methods at your dojo? I think that could be both fun viewing and an opportunity to broaden this discussion....if you don't mind interacting with asses like me. 😏
@@LAVATORR I agree with many of your points, smaller moves work better in the context of an MMA fight or such. Even in MMA and Muay Thai, they practice blocks, and head caging that often involve large movements and you see these used in fights. But also let's go outside the cage and remember that there are things like pushes, grabs, hair pulls, attempted chokes. And inward or outward block absolutely can knock away someone's hand that's grabbing your shirt. The Inward and Outward Parry traps are one of my favorite, and I have had it work in real life. Some dude tried to sucker punch me and I sidestepped and did the parry combination and was able to trap his arm. I anchored my elbows and settled into my stance and he jutted forward off balance. I delivered an inward elbow to his ribs but I didn't blast him but rather gave him a firm push to let him know what could have happened. Thankfully, he backed off after that. I agree with you that action is usually faster than reaction, but part if it is also being able to read the other person and pick up signs of them telegraphing what they're going to do. My school closed a few years ago when my instructor moved out of state but I do go to another local school that often holds open sparring sessions for people of any style. So I fight people with less experience and a lot of people with more. I win some and I lose some, but one of my strengths is the defense and I'm usually able to block, evade or divert about 70-80% of what is thrown at me. The rest either lands with a solid strike and they were better than me and in those cases I try to do what I can to lessen the strike. That inward Kenpo block saved me from a knockout once. I was sparring a dude several years ago who was younger than me and trained longer and he had some absolutely WICKED kicks, most of them would land. He came in at me with a nasty spinning hook kick and thankfully he telegraphed it because I was able to stop it with a double inward block. Stopped the kick dead, he stumbled forward out of balance and I even rocked backward from the force. Had that connected and it would have been lights out. (he caught me at a later date with the same kick, I was able to clip it but not stop the entire thing and he shattered one of my back molars) I agree with much of what your saying, but I think it's inaccurate to say these can't work. It's all about knowing WHEN they apply and also knowing how to read the other person and be able to anticipate.
This is what the world needs. The martial arts community having a cooperative conversation - addressing differences as rich elements that can be learned from and incorporated. Fantastic!
sparring is the best way to cooperate to find each other's weakpoints.
Love seeing the positive comparison of these two arts exploring the similarities and differences without bashing one art or the other. Looking forward to the rest of this series
interesting . i think its cool to see the similarity's in different arts .
It's refreshing to see senseis from different styles working together. Can't wait to see the other videos.
Here because Sensei Ichi sent me, stayed because of the awesomeness and wonderful collaboration.
From what I have learned in Kyokushin Karate, I like to view blocks as strikes to the limb(s) that attack us. Or as an opportunity to stick, and engage a sweep or takedown or simply an interception. Some people view a block as a waste of energy but I have found that a good block with conditioned forearms definitely makes the opposition recalculate their attack plan which then opens opportunities for offense. Just my thoughts. Thanks for sharing 🙏
So true
I've use block before for haymakers and kicks. I like dissecting forms and bunkai..
Oh you got jokes on my red vines aye... That's it , we're fighting!
Great video sir! Thank you so much for your insight, it's always so wild to see how similar and yet different our styles really are. I like how it gets to the point of same, same, same and then we each have our 3 or 4 different blocks that are unique to our own styles. Really cool stuff.
They are many path to the top of the mountain but the view is always the same.
Is that Jesse Enkamp quote you're breaking out now? :D
@@ArtofOneDojo more of a Chinese proverb that I also heard on Street Fighter Assassins Fist. But thanks for reminding me that Jesse also says this. Hey you won't happen to be planning something with him would ya? Because that's be awesome as well!
Nice video guys! Awesome to have complementary insights on how to do these seemingly basic moves. Two different perspectives, different arts, different methodologies...yet the same, common results. Looking forward to seeing the next collaboration! 😊👍
I'm digging this series.
I know I've tossed a couple of joke comments your way that caught your attention, but my main art is Tang Soo Do. I would have liked to have taken up American Kenpo, but in my small Michigan town, the only martial arts for a long time were Tang Soo Do or Tae Kwon Do (a school has recently opened BJJ). The flowing style of American Kenpo striking is fantastic.
The longer I've studied my art, the more I've learned that these blocks aren't just blocks. Especially when placed in the context of kata bunkai. You learn that these blocks might be a strike of some kind, a joint lock, or even a throw. You really learn to appreciate karate as a standing martial art that way.
These kind of videos make all if us martial artists better by seeing different ideas of technique. Great video
I love this.
My first martial art was American Kenpo from the Revere Kenpo Karate Academy.
I'm trying to find a similar style where I currently live.
Had the exact same challenge moving from California to Michigan trying to find an Ed Parker Kenpo school. Trying krav maga now. Not quite the same but some similar efficiencies.
@@TWN321 One of the Israeli soldiers that contributed heavily to Krav Maga was an Ed Parker student.
Palmetto NDN that makes sense. I see a lot of similar economies of motion - which is why I chose Krav. They seem to focus more on gross motor skills though, so they are not as precise/ sophisticated in their techniques. That has advantages and disadvantages that I’ve seen so far. Overall I would say it’s still a very effective style.
Even though I'm not a kenpo stylist I'd like to see comparisons of American kenpo vs Chinese kara-ho kempo, Kajukenbo and Cerio kenpo.
In kajukenbo. We dont block. Our blocks are like strikes. We try to break the attacking limb
Great video! Can't wait to see the videos talking about the punches and kicks. And I subscribed to sensei ichi's channel and turned on notifications :)
Mastered Ultra Instinct Eli
As did I!
very good description on "shifting" for blocks in Tang soo Do. That is where you get all of your power. Ahhh memories and feels. I took Tang Soo Do years ago. I was almost a black belt. I want to take Karate again, but there are no more Tang Soo Doo schools in my Area. My friends teach Tae Kwon Do at their church. Hey do a video on differences between Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do. There are many differences people don't realize. Especially with the kicks.
7:05 that's some serious power! Keep up the grear videos!
:D
got to have the snap! I had an instructor say "If I can't hear a snap, you're doing it wrong."
That's right! I've trained in American Ninjitsu and Karate and was told the same!
Such a cool video guys! Soooo geeking out right now! What a great sharing of insights, into the art of these two martial forms.
The style I have been training and teaching in, is very similar to Tang Soo Do system. In addition, we also have elements of Kenpo Karate as well it seems.
That shield technique of both arms being used (lead hand low set, rear hand high set positions), we have multiple applications for this.
Wow just wow... just want to get in a plane and doing a year long training tour! Now that is an idea!
That's awesome! I love hearing this and I love hearing that people are finding similarities in both of our systems in their arts. If you ever go on tour in South Florida, let me know! :D
I basically have training in both kenpo and TSD. I traditionally learned the TSD way of doing them. However, from watching your video, over the years I have transitioned to blocking much more like you do in AK. Why? They are faster and more applicable to using in a real situation. The TSD blocks are slow and that hip chamber is a bad habit to have. Also, take the upward block. HIs arm moves straight up. You start the block with a rising fist and rotate the elbow to complete the block. That is much more powerful. I learned that way from shotokan. Also, TSD has no "answering the phone" type of block which is a very important one. When I grade technique, I look for how will it work in sparring, but even more important, how will it work in a real fight.
This is American TSD, which really seems to have lost touch with actual combat. Much of what this guy demonstrates is wrong accordng to the teachings of the Moo Duk Kwan, the original form of Tang Soo Do. The fist t the ear (terrible idea), the way he does teh high block, and various other aspects, are just bad.
Good video. I've trained under many Tang Soo Do organizations though out my time. I've never seen American Tang Soo Do before though, so even seeing the differences from the other version of TSD is fascinating. In all the TSD schools I've been in we the blocking arm never goes past or at least far past mid line (as in the I/O and O/I blocks demonstrated). The hip movement is there, but there is definitely variability in amount and emphasis through out the ones I've trained in.
Both are very interesting. Clear overlaps plus the added possibilities by learning the differences. Nicely done!
I was told that the term used for the blocks (age uke, soto uke, shuto uke, etc) comes from the word “ukeru” which roughly translates to receive. You are receiving an attack and the technique itself can either stop the attack, deflect it or be used as an attack on its own. In situations when the block is being used as a strike the sets often represent the actual interception of the technique by seizing the opponent with the hand that sets and striking with the one that blocks. This has to do with the differences in the range of combat of old karate which was in general closer to a grappling range than what we generally see in karate nowadays.
This was very cool and interesting. I’ve studied TSD for 4 years, and I see the variation in how American TSD differs from the traditional art. It was good to see the applications too.
Yeah, it seems different, but similar. In regards to this video, the first few forms (Katas/Hyungs/whatever you want to call it) taught you from the get go how to move with the blocks, as well as transitioning into strikes. Good memories, I studied TSD when I was younger, but broke my ankle a week before my black belt test...and being a kid going into middle school, I quickly lost interest waiting for my ankle to heal. 🤷♂️😑
The way our school does the Twirling wings we use reinforced blocks for the first move. However, and maybe I just missed it, but I didn't hear you respond to Sensei Ichi's wrist snap, or rotational torque, but maybe I just missed it. Great Episode Looking forward to more, and will be heading over to see the other video Sensei Ichi's channel.
Hi sensei! Hey I was wondering if you could do one on Capoeira? There's a couple of Capoeira schools in Oakland C.A.
Tang soo do or Kenpo?for self defense and complete martial arts?pros and cons...Thank you
The reinforced high block is also in shotokan, as well as hop ki do.
In northern shaolin as well, it's the 5th basic technique we learn, but we learn together with a punch.
Very nice video. I do like seeing how different styles look compared to each other.
I agree that what most people call a block is actually a strike.
thats how i was taught in shotokan.
Although blocks can be used as strikes, the proper definition of a kenpo block: force against force, against a weapon in flight, without the intent to cause injury. Parry: force against force, against a weapon in flight, without the intent to cause injury, using riding motion.
Also, the vertical outward block in kenpo is a block. Not as strong as the extended, but can still be used to block. Great videos! Looking forward to the strikes and kicks.
Remember in tang soo do the will is in the waist. Love thos video!!
If you did a comparison between traditional TKD like early ITF and TangSoo that would be nice to see.
The "universal block" is also found in American Tang Soo Do. We generally just use it when sparring or practicing kick defenses.
Can you make a video on how a black belt test is like in Japan because some american people go to japan for there black belt test
I like this I was thinking of doing something like this just didn't know how it would look . Very cool I like it alot.
Interesting comparison. Pretty cool guys, keep it up :)
If you notice, all striking arts are tied to funakoshi from Japan and China somewhere. I’m a 2 Dan in ITF style TKD. Founder of TKD learned from him. All of the moves are similar just teaching methods are different. Even Chuck Norris calls tang so do the taekwondo system. My barber is in the mudokwon hall of fame and good friend to Chuck Norris says the same thing.
Tang Soo Do is a great art!
I think there's 3 maybe 4 different styles in tang soo do. I'm in soo duk bak style TSD.
moo duk kwan here :)
Uh oh red vines vs twizzlers it's on now! lol
Ichi (first off it'd be awesome if you had "Zato" in front of your name hehehe) whoa the "X" block I haven't seen those since the first dojo I was in 20 + years ago in my early teens which was Taekwondo based. I'm not sure if my style teaches those and the reinforced blocks.
Dan your universal block is similar to our Chudan Uchiuke Gedan Barai= Middle (inside to outside) and lower block together. Only we use it in the front of our body as opposed to the side.
That's awesome, so it's cool to see even more similarities that Kyokushin has with our arts too. You having a connection with Tang Soo Do makes a lot of sense, since Shotokan is a root in both your lineages.
Do you use open hand or closed hand techniques me personally I study HTF taekwondo and I use a lot of open hand techniques ? With the caveat that I'll break some fingers if not done properly so they train me to use close hand but I prefer open hand.
I use both, but I do like a lot of open hand techniques. Palm heels to the sides of the jaw or bridge of the nose can be powerful and effective strikes.
Gotta love when they throw those haymaker punches and expose everything
Both styles of blocks are amazing!
I like the ones that strike back at the strike the most!
Also, Red vines can be cool and Twizzlers can be cool, but i like that licorice!
Both real and fake!
What people need to also understand is that (Especially today) even within the same art, there can be so many differences and varieties since there is little regulating what people can and will do.
On the knife hand block the Sensei Ichi showed, it would have been wiser to tighten his fingers together. Sensei Ichi really needs to be more aware of his knife hand. The right hand was tight at times, but the left was always loose. Otherwise, inertia will cause the fingers to come together on contact and it will cause pain. I have been seeing this a lot in martial art videos. It shows how little a knife hand is used in sparring. When wearing sparring gear people usually don't use their knife hand. Mr. Dan had a good tight knife hand. I'd also like to point out that the open hand portions of Mr. Dan's blocks could easily blend into a softer style grab. I really like the redirect in the upper x block too. It makes a lot of sense because if your opponent/sparring partner has a stick, momentum will carry the stick to your head.
I do apologise in advance I got my black belt in goju Ryu over 27 years ago and now have returned back to martial arts at the age of 46 what is the difference between American Tang soo do and English or European Tang soo do.
This is an excellent question, Sensei Ichi may be more informed to answer this one as Tang Soo Do is his specialty. I will let you know you asked this. @senseiichi
Actually, if you cut and paste this question and put it as a comment on his video on blocks, he can probably answer you faster that way. Here is the link to his video: th-cam.com/video/Jmdx4b39gSI/w-d-xo.html
Sweet comparisons! Mr. Parker would approve of the evolution of the art. I foresee changes coming to American Kempo.
How cool, tang soo do was my first art 9-11 Kenpo my 3rd 18-20
Mr. Dan. Please make a video about SOO BAHK DO MOO DUK KWAN 🌿👊🌿 Thank you!!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Wow is that martial art?
Like Chun Kuk Do found by Chuck Norris?
I would like to. Perhaps it could be a future collaboration :) There are many arts I want to cover.
@@yosafatsurya1082 Soo Bahk Do is Tang Soo Do - the Moo Duk Kwan founder renamed his art from Tang Soo Do to Soo Bahk Do because it is a more Korean name, and they are claiming more Korean heritage than Chinese - it has more to do with nationalism than the actual art practiced. Moo Duk Kwan has had three names for the art they practice - Tang Soo Do, Tae Kwon Do, and Soo Bahk Do - the MDK was important in the early founding days of Tae Kwon Do but politics caused the founder to pull back from TKD and stick to doing what they always did, and it was not long after that they began calling their art Soo Bahk Do rather than Tang Soo Do. There are still Tae Kwon Do schools which claim a Moo Duk Kwan lineage. There may be minor tweaks between the styles - but the core is the same. They're not teaching a drastically different art.
I would really appreciate it if you can do one for the difference and similarity between Aikido and Aikijujutsu since there is a lot of confusion online
@Limau Purut There is still more to that and it's that over simplification that people get so many facts wrong. Aikido has a lot more overly circular moves that are not featured in Aikijujutsu and does not have many of pinning techniques Aikijujutsu has. Depending on what line of Aikido one follows, they may have some strikes (atemi) but generally favors parrying as to not meet force to force. Aikijujutsu also is not just a harder version of Aikido sine it has many interesting use of Aiki and other moves that are just gone from Aikido. So many people tend to think it's just a violent form of Aikido and don't see that there is much more to that
TSD definitely looks better, with more exaggerated movements and set up. However, I personally believe the more compact movements are much more applicable to reality in a self defense environment. I practice Okinawa Kempo Karate, believing in the root forms. I agree with the other comment that everyone wants to put their own spin on things; everything really. I am glad that it was pointed out that in reality there would not be time for perfect set up of technique.
Original style of Tang Soo Do is much more direct and efficient, very close in fact to Okinawan styles.
I’m curious, TSD is a Korean art but you use the Japanese title of sensei?
Sensei Ichi is half Japanese, and it's not too uncommon for a lot of TSD schools to call themselves Karate and use the word "Sensei". He chooses to use it for his background.
Art of One Dojo thank you sir.
I would like if you do an analysis of the Cobra Kai fight escenes specially Jonny ´s and Daniel´s
Could be a possibility. Currently I'm working on "What kind of Karate is in Cobra Kai" Part 3 :D
@@ArtofOneDojo I ´´d love that too Thanks,
Awesome skill
Tang Soo Do blocks are similar to what I am learning in Okinawan Karate
Great job guys
We need a tang soo do video with johnny lawrence as a guest as well 😀
i did Korean tang so do for 2 years in high school i recall doing the low black while in a bow stance i told the hand should come down low enough to protect your groin. all so recall one step sparring drills i would say in my opinion its closer to shotokan karate
That would make a lot of sense, Shotokan is a big part of Tang Soo do's foundation.
I’m going to learn tang soo do some day
Tang Soo do was explained to me as way of the China hand. HELLO ! ALL martial arts and sciences are related differing only in mechanics and terminology. Oss and respect for sweet karma 🐅🐉🙏🏾🙏 💪🏾
Can you tell us what type of karate styles are allowed in the Olympics
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Next year, in Tokyo - Karate will be making its Olympic debut. Long long overdue...
As far as which styles are concerned, can’t help you there - sorry bud.
The olympics will allow 2 competitions for Karate...Kumite and Kata. The Kumite appears to be open division, most likely to a wide variety of arts. If there is a limit to the arts then I haven't found it.
The Kata portion, according to wikipedia, is limited to Gōjū-ryū, Shitō-ryū, Shotokan and Wadō-ryū. Those are the katas that are allowed and this has apparently caused some criticism.
@@ArtofOneDojo You mentioned styles, not katas.
@@Meatisfood Right, as in it is limited to Katas from those Styles. They are only accepting Katas from Gōjū-ryū, Shitō-ryū, Shotokan and Wadō-ryū.
@@ArtofOneDojo Karate seems so shattered. In style wise.
Does Kenpo karate work? I remember in UFC 1 there was a Kenpo guy who beat up....I didn't see much of his Kenpo stuff, it just looked like generic fighting.
@Rob Koch I have reason to believe that you are correct
The great Moses Powell was my teacher's pal, .Aaron Banks.
Cool sir 👍
I would like to see a video about bajiquan
I have a real question. Since many MMA pro's come from traditional martial arts, why don't we see any of these blocks in competitive MMA?
I've used these blocks in real life and they work, so why don't we see it in competitive MMA? I find that these blocks to break the opponents balance for a counter attack, or to let them know that my defense is my offense.
MyTwoCents this is a great question. In my opinion , we don’t see many traditional blocks in MMA because MMA is not traditional. The purpose of modern day MMA is not to show self defense , it is to put two top tier athletes against each other . MMA is not real life or death. It’s a sport.
A lot of these techniques are taught to do a couple then counter and get out the situation. That’s not mma .
A simple three step technique that isn’t legal in mma. An agressor come over the top to head grab you. Rising block, followed by a throat strike, then a round kick to the outside of the knee. Then gtfo.
This is one of the best answers to this question I have seen. Thank you for this :)
Art of One Dojo no worries , great job on the video . Check out my channel of you have a chance . Our style is American Tae Kwon Do.
Interesting Video. No disrespect, but I don't really believe in becoming proficient in Blocks. In my opinion, it is better to either Evade the Attack, or Intercept it ;)
The best block is to not be there correct, but blocking as actually served me well in real life and in sparring.
Sudo knife hands are used in intermediate taekwondo as well go ju ryu .
I note both are similar but not quite the same as Shotokan/Shotokai. I expected Tang So Do to be closer and it was not. Tx
After watching this video I realized my art does not have any ‘blocks’ per se. our reaction to any attack is always predicated on re-direction from an oblique angle, combined with arm rotation, waist rotation and sinking to disrupt upon contact.
That's pretty interesting! What art do you study?
@@ArtofOneDojo It's a variation of Yang Style Tai Chi.
While it's nice to see similarities and differences between different arts, you need to clarify that Tang Soo Do is a karate based Korean martial art. American Tang Soo Do is essentially American Karate founded by Chuck Norris.
Kenpo Karate has nothing to do with Chuck the truck, who kicked the Sun into existence.
@Rob Koch I do have a problem....I think you missed the bong both times it came around.... Take a valum relax.
That's called Chun kuk do right?
My style also use the same blocking techniques
You'd have to know more about the creation of these styles to know why each move comes from each culture or instructor. Certain signatures etc.
Again Sensei pls do Shotokan!
I absolutely am doing one on Shotokan but a few others are on the way out first. We are working on it :)
@@ArtofOneDojo thank you so much can't wait for it. Keep it up I love your channel. You are wel grounded and all your explanations make true sense
Interesting
very good
16:13 "I wouldn't suggest hitting the elbow or above..." Well, it is certainly not wise to hit above the elbow. But hitting the elbow itself... Very effective! No matter if you hit it from the inside or the outside. But if you hit it from the outside: be careful, or you might break your partners elbow. Out of my own experience I can tell you that a) it works and b) it is wuite painful.
Kenpo guy here !!
Yes Kenpo is much better like I mentioned before. More thought out and techniques much better.
Sensi Ichikawa great great great great great grandson
Both Tang Soo Do and Kenpo both share the same principles in the Chinese aspect, but the only difference is that one has more Korean principles while the other Japanese, but unlike Kenpo the stances are different than Tang Soo Do and the techniques but overall, they share alot in common.
Good
And this stuff is for this planet, planet earth?
Tang Soo Do is Karate?
It's a blurred definition. Technically, it's not original Okinawan Karate. But then again, neither is Japanese Karate. They all blend and form other systems. Karate is from Okinawa and when it went to Japan, some of the systems merged and new forms arrived (such as Shotokan, which is formed from Okinawan Shorin Ryu and Shorei Ryu). Japanese Karate made it's way to Korea and new systems stemmed from that. Tang Soo Do formed greatly from Shotokan so you can consider it another generation of Karate. Is it technically Okinawan pure Karate? No. But these days with everything mixed it is often called "Korean Karate" because it has a lot of the same roots and characteristics.
@@ArtofOneDojo How about Taekwondo? I feel katas are a bit similar.
Even fuzzier but sometimes people will also consider that Korean Karate as well. There are similarities and differences.
Never knew Jonah Hill is actually a 5th Degree Kenpo Practitioner.
Maybe that's why he got so easy alternating his weight figure through each movie character of his
PSH...I WISH I had Jonah Hill money....although I bet he wishes he had this power ;)
Ha.. what do I know!?
A Martial Artist with fine taste of humor;
Awesome!
10:16
I guess I could be wrong, I see most KENPO advanced black belts have BIG TRUCK Tire BELLIES JUTTING OUT.
Why are you called sensi instead of sabonim if you teach tang soo do..?
Lol he was waiting to see how long it would be before someone asked this, he gets it so the time. He's half Japanese and Sensei just means teacher so he chose to use that instead.
Blocking is ok but getting out of the way of the kick is a much better defensive move .
Both combined is even better. Getting out of the way and if you can block you can redirect their leg which compromises their balance momentarily.
cross block people come from Palama Gym
American Tang Soo Do is very different from actual Tang Soo Do (purple and orange aren't even Tang Soo Do ranks, also almost all the techniques are different)
yin and yang (TANG SOO DO ) hard ,(KENPO) fluidity.
reinforced blocks come from Shaolin Taji
Isn't that the really young guy who got his black belt and his grandmaster title from his daddy?
If you mean the young guy who's been training for 30 years and co owns and runs a school with his Father and earned a 7th degree then yes that's him. In Tang Soo Do, Grandmaster is a title applied to 7th dan or above.
@@ArtofOneDojo th-cam.com/video/5K_6IiVwvzo/w-d-xo.html
WHY DO ALL KENPO GUYS HAVE BIG GUTS!!
You should have a question mark at the end of this as it's a question. You can still have some exclamation marks too if you want to highlight the energy of the question, but still, you're missing the question marks.
No disrespect but it seems like you stopped on your blocks have went in both Arts
I'm not clear on what you're saying. We stopped on our blocks have went?
Son gets bullied in school so mother sends him to martial arts class, after a few years of spending money he still gets bullied Clever mother sends a bullied son to a friend or uncle where he teaches him a couple of knock out blows the clever mother then finds herself in the principles office from a complaint by the bullies mother that clever mums son knocked the him out.
You seem like you've had some personal bad experiences with martial arts. Are you ok? I will agree that there are a LOT of bad schools out there all about the money, but that's not every school. There are some really good schools out there if you know what to look for. I recommend checking out one of my earlier videos "What is a McDojo?".
I'm sorry if you have had a negative experience. If I may ask, have you trained before and what art what is?
@@ArtofOneDojo ok yes I have had bad experiences, I learned karate all through my teen years and was still loosing in street situations, only now that I'm a lot older i realized is that you don't wait for them to punch you, you punch them straight away, once you do that they back off.
@@nicholaslucas6014 You are correct, you don't wait. But sometimes they punch before you can punch first. Sometimes you get hit, sometimes you can move in a way to lessen the hit, sometimes you can stop it. It's all about understanding timing and how the body moves. There is more to fighting than just throwing a knockout punch.
Tang soo do is about 75% shotokan
la realidad no es asi en la defensa personal ... aún no veo gente defendiendose asi o comopitiendo
I'm sorry. Both of you seem like very nice people. And I don't want either of you to get punched in the face. Which is why I'm saying all of these blocks will get you punched in the face.
Please don't confuse this for trolling. If I opened the newspaper tomorrow and saw "The Guy From Art of One Dojo and Also That Tang Soo Do Guy Got Punched In The Face", it would upset me and I'd feel bad. So please, don't use those blocks. Please don't incorporate motions that go far away from your body, outside of where the guy is punching (your face). Keep a high guard with your chin down and your hands up that involves minimal movement instead of large, sweeping motions or linear strikes that require pinpoint precision.
Don't let the bullies win.
There are different schools of thought when it comes to blocking and different methods. You can stop a punch or attack before it enters your body zone or you can let it get in and shield up, as you suggest. The large sweeping motions are used in specific situations, they do NOT require pinpoint precision, quite the opposite actually, and can lead into tactics that disrupt an opponent's balance or ability to swing again. Most of the blocks shown by Sensei Ichi and myself have a wide blocking area, typically from wrist to elbow. That's not pin point precision, it's a built in margin for error. Your guard as you suggest works fine, but I will also tell you from experience so do ours. I use these blocks ALL THE TIME in sparring and I'm usually able to deflect 80-90%. For the remainder that get through I try to position out of the way or do what I have to in order to lessen the impact of the strike. I have used a few of these in real life too so I assure you if you know what you are doing, they can work.
I think the issue is with the word block, in Japan when the martial arts were introduced into the school systems the word block became attached to the movements. I am a Tang Soo Do guy of 19 years, if you take the word used for "block" which is mahkee in Korean and give it a better definition you get counter. With that in mind you may counter a punch with an inside block by first perrying the punch with one hand, then grabbing the punch with the other hand, and pulling them in to hit them in the jaw with your inside block. Hopefully that made some since, but in short, the issue is not with the movements but with the idea behind them, if you wouldn't use it in a sparring match as a block is not a block.
@@ArtofOneDojo
I have to disagree on the grounds that--and I know you've heard this before, and I'm sure you're sick of hearing it--this theory absolutely does not work in MMA. When I evaluate my training, I always ask myself "How would this work against the best in the world?" and adjust my approach accordingly. Life is too fragile and too precious to assume my assailant will take it easy on me.
I use this example a lot: If you watch boxing or MMA, people get punished brutally for tiny infractions. Their hands slip for a second, their shoulders sag when they punch, their chin rises slightly. And boom. Knockout. The margin of error is microscopic even when you're doing everything right.
Yet when I see various forms of TMA, they don't even seem to consider these incredibly crucial things, often arguing "we just don't do it that way". They drop their hands, stick out their chins, and all but beg to get KOed, as if American Kempo or Tang Soo Do have a magical way to circumvent the basics. But the reality is that the second or two it takes to throw a wide block--as opposed to a tight one--is a relatively large and unforgiving window.
Effective blocks rely on tiny movements that require minimal adjustments to your existing guard. Wide, sweeping blocks designed to microtarget specific strikes are infinitely harder to land because not only are they slower, but the point of contact has to coincide perfectly; otherwise, the rest of the motion is just wasted energy. That's not a personal preference; that's basic....everything.
And this is why I worry. I'm not trying to be a condescending douche. Really, I'm not. But if these techniques regularly work in your sparring, then it raises questions to me about your specific training methodology.
Maybe we can put this discussion to productive use, though. Have you considered making a video about your sparring methods at your dojo? I think that could be both fun viewing and an opportunity to broaden this discussion....if you don't mind interacting with asses like me. 😏
@@LAVATORR I agree with many of your points, smaller moves work better in the context of an MMA fight or such. Even in MMA and Muay Thai, they practice blocks, and head caging that often involve large movements and you see these used in fights.
But also let's go outside the cage and remember that there are things like pushes, grabs, hair pulls, attempted chokes. And inward or outward block absolutely can knock away someone's hand that's grabbing your shirt. The Inward and Outward Parry traps are one of my favorite, and I have had it work in real life. Some dude tried to sucker punch me and I sidestepped and did the parry combination and was able to trap his arm. I anchored my elbows and settled into my stance and he jutted forward off balance. I delivered an inward elbow to his ribs but I didn't blast him but rather gave him a firm push to let him know what could have happened. Thankfully, he backed off after that.
I agree with you that action is usually faster than reaction, but part if it is also being able to read the other person and pick up signs of them telegraphing what they're going to do. My school closed a few years ago when my instructor moved out of state but I do go to another local school that often holds open sparring sessions for people of any style. So I fight people with less experience and a lot of people with more. I win some and I lose some, but one of my strengths is the defense and I'm usually able to block, evade or divert about 70-80% of what is thrown at me. The rest either lands with a solid strike and they were better than me and in those cases I try to do what I can to lessen the strike. That inward Kenpo block saved me from a knockout once. I was sparring a dude several years ago who was younger than me and trained longer and he had some absolutely WICKED kicks, most of them would land. He came in at me with a nasty spinning hook kick and thankfully he telegraphed it because I was able to stop it with a double inward block. Stopped the kick dead, he stumbled forward out of balance and I even rocked backward from the force. Had that connected and it would have been lights out. (he caught me at a later date with the same kick, I was able to clip it but not stop the entire thing and he shattered one of my back molars)
I agree with much of what your saying, but I think it's inaccurate to say these can't work. It's all about knowing WHEN they apply and also knowing how to read the other person and be able to anticipate.
So just a gedan barai
Really?!?
Really!
Show it in the fight if you think it is working.