The PS5 should play PS1 through PS5. I truly believe this will be the final generation of physical media consoles. The best thing they could do is put out a console that plays ALL PlayStation games.
I think PS6 will be the last sony console to use physical media and will include ps1-ps5 backward compatibility. Theres no way PS6 wont be powerful enough to emulate ps3 games looool. But still theres possibility that ps5 will be the last to use disc
The problem is, I'd be far more willing to shell out for the higher tier subscription if they had the native emulation rather than the streaming; my internet is passable but inconsistent, and I have no interest in paying a bunch of extra money for a service that's just going to disappoint and frustrate me because I don't have access to cutting-edge high-speed internet. Unless and until high-speed internet is universal, these game streaming services are going to continue to be a problem; they're essentially building an entire service on top of an infrastructure that simply doesn't exist yet for the majority of people, and it frustrates me that these companies can't seem to comprehend that simple fact.
My internet is top notch and the game still feel and play like shit imo.. you can just tell its a stream not to mention anytime I go smoke or eat a snack I'm booted off and hopefully I saved before I go through the 5 minute load up process again.... streams are garbage imo again, I just don't mess with them at all and I always watch how a company handles their business in situations like this
@@goodcitizen7064 For real i have really good internet toom PS now is unplayable and looks very compressed and gross, Shockingly Stadia works a lot better lol.
In a heartbeat...MGS4 alone would have me subscribing. I keep hoping Sony will make a deal with Konami to make a MGS4 remaster or, even better, a remake for the PS5...but in the meantime it would be awesome to replay the PS3 version on my PS5. I have the 2nd gen backwards compatible PS3 fat that came with MGS4 but I put it away when I bought the PS4 slim bundled with Uncharted 4...just as I put away my PS4 Pro when I got the PS5 day one. The real issue is the lack of available PS5s...Sony is not financially incentivized to maximize sales because the PS5s are sold as quick as they are produced. If it wasn't for the shortage, PS5 sales would be setting massive sales records however Sony would still have PS5s available for sale therefore Sony would be incentivized to increase sales even more....such as PS3 native backwards compatibility, etc.
Microsoft, probably unintentionally, made back compat easier by always having similar architecture between generations. Sony is kinda all over the place in terms of that, my guess.
Microsoft had to invest a lot of money to enable back compat on the Xbone. They were losing the generation and I think they saw back compat as a viable way to claw back a bit of market and honestly I think it worked. Xbox didn't overtake Sony last gen, but they did actually gain traction eventually so it could have been much worse than it ended up being.
It's already been said but yeah... Xbox has mostly been a modified PC running a stripped down version of Windows--it started off that way and that's how it is now--but the Xbox 360 was a totally different architecture. On the other hand, the PlayStation was kind of its own thing until it settled on basically a PC architecture with the PS4, but PSX/PS2/PS3 were totally different. And yet, they are emulating the PSX/PS2 just fine apparently, but are still failing to do the PS3. Something just is not adding up.
@@frankvandermerwe1487 I think what people have said is true about that game it's a really good game but it's not a really good god of war game. The original five or six God of war games were amazing and had a very particular style and flavor. Everybody understands that they went in a different direction with the new one but it's a very different direction and it's very different than the rest of the series.
I love how Microsoft handles backwards compatibility and lots of the games go on sales for $5 or less and it’s nice to play most of your favorite games on one console
They went the inefficient way, they're spending a looot more on buying licenses to modify games to get them to 60 fps or have better textures and AA. What should have been done was to make an emulator that just works with any disc or rom that's used for past games. I'd rather the freedom to play any of my games rather than a few that don't look and perform the way they did back then while having many of my games not work at all.
and then you would run the company into the ground.......Some people have a hard time grasping that the "retro gaming market" is nowhere near as big as they would like to think that it is....They also don't really care about a bunch of hoarders who have their walls full of games
PS5 needs to play everything. It would perfectly encapsulate the entire history and would be a footnote for this console. I don’t know if we’ll see physical media continue past this generation. I was a hardcore physical media fan but the pure convenience of digital is undeniable. Sony needs to make the dive and unlock the history of PlayStation and use that in the all out war that’s going to come with Xbox and rapidly growing and really nice deal that is Game Pass.
Sony doesn't really need to... Playstation will outsell Xbox regardless. People point to the Xbox 360/PS3 as an exception, but PS3 still outsold the Xbox 360 eventually even though the Ps3 released one year later. Playstations brand recognition and market dominance is insurmountable over the short term (next decade). Where Microsoft might be able to make some ground is with revenue. Sony might struggle to attract customers to the higher PS Plus tiers unless they are more aggressive with their offerings. So even though hardware sales might be like 25/75 in Sonys favor, revenue might be closer to 60/40 in Sonys favor since Game Pass is so popular
@@thecookj454 But the thing is the vast majority of people don't really care about playing games from past playstation consoles on their ps5. I know you people heavily care about it but it's not really a thing casuals care about. They care about having new experiences on consoles. That's what gaming should be about tbh it should be about always looking at the past. That's what gaming has always been about.
No excuses the Xbox Series S can run Ps1,Ps2, and Psp so Microsoft already plays more Playstation games than Playstation. The Steam Deck can run SOME Ps3 games via emulation so Sony's excuses are straight BS.
Yes I'd invest in full backwards compatibility in order to strengthen Playstation as an ecosystem. The paradigm has shifted away from just being a console into subscriptions, software and services. If I'm going to pay a premium for a Playstation subscription I want native access to all generations of their content.
Sony has always been stubborn about addressing the ps5 backwards compatibility issue and they have decided to create a paywall for their customers to have access to that feature which is free on Xbox .
@@bartcunningham5640 gamers are WEIRD it shouldn't make you personally offended that someone else is into a diff console! imagine having your identity so tied to ps5 or xbox
Personally I prefer remasters, collections, and remakes over cloud based gaming. Although this is something, it’s definitely not ideal. Sony definitely could enable disc based enhanced backwards compatibility with PS1 ~ PS3 in addition to more compatible PS4 games. Really though this is a profit driven decision. Of course they’d paywall backwards compatibility with this tier system. It’s all money and profit driven. If we want things to change we need to voice our opinions regularly to PS about this. Don’t buy into the higher tier PS+. It’s only then PS will get the message and actually do something about it.
True, thou PS1 will never be able to be "Native Disk" supported on account CD disk are not readable on 4K players. ( This was even point out in the Video) This is also why some early Xbox Duke titles haven't been Ported either ( since they were on CD) And Early PS2 games were also on CD
@@xxnike0629xx Only a few "High-end" 4K player still support CD ( and they branded as Audiophiles players), while the other don't. And even good amount of BluRay players don't allow CD support. ( Look for 4K players that say they can read SACD) It's sad that Native CD support been dropped for the past 7 years and we have to either use Audio Rips or Streaming apps to play music on our Consoles/PCs Edit: Also, even if the Player in the PS5 get modded to read CD, it would only support the output of Sound and not Video so we wouldn't be able to see the Game, only hear the sound.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven just now i was looking at different models of Blu-ray players, and every one i found can also play CDs (even the budget models i looked at can play CDs) I don’t know if it something to do with where i live
because is the same as digital media they use disc that was never fully burned to their DISC I know I place an PS4 game ( forgot the name ) into an DISC DRIVE with 4k disc support Windows Do you want to format this Disc/USB im sure is an rewritable disc why would it shows up with 24GB of space by windows
The problem with the highest tier of the new service is doing streaming for PS3 shows how little they care about trying to push that tier, and I think can give you a hint up front on how little they care about support their retro games & lack of vita games as well. I'm still really interested to see this catalogue as I just get this feeling it's going to be full of a lot of filler titles & less quality.
But then again if interest in older games was so low why bother with even having these tiers? I would genuinely like to find out how much interest people have in retro games, I think the figure would be reasonably high among Nintendo fans. I personally still love playing old games as many still hold up well and are a welcome break from current gaming and I still love discovering new retro titles I’ve never played before but feel I might be a minority as most people have this “move on to the next thing” way of looking at games. Maybe I’m just the sentimental type. 🤣
PS3 was always gonna be streaming only. Thats the reason for Sony having custom server blade made from 8 PS3's, the games run from actual PS3 hardware(no emulation at all)
All they need is an external PS1,2,3,4,etc DVD/BR drive that can connect to usb. Then have an application on the PS5 system to read the data and play the software.
That rare moment when you get to watch Spawn wave in the morning instead of in the late evening. 😅 Not enthusiastic about the lack of backwards compatibility since we've been having trouble finding PS3s to play our older games. :/ I just want to play games from my childhood.
In Romania you can get them as cheap as 20 bucks with controller and everything in working condition =) (alright fine most of them are dirty but when you have an ifixit toolkit it's not a realy big problem)
@@Ionic0 Well, I'd wait on that since PC parts are still pretty damn expensive, and RPCS3 doesn't run the best on lower end hardware. Getting a gaming laptop is cheaper atm but still expensive as a one time purchase.
I feel like they should really consider it given how much they're charging. And I hope their existing PS2 emulation gets improved. I tried Harvest Moon a while back and it was way too dark.
Answering to your question at the end... "No, I wouldn't". Microsoft was in a different situation as to Sony when MS decided to invest more heavily on retro compatibility. Microsoft had to find a way to stop losing X360 owners from migrating to the new PS4 (rather than going to the Xone), therefore they invested heavily on this.
And now that Xbox got that goodwill back, they've given up on BC. They announced a few months ago that they won't be adding any more legacy games to the BC library.
@@fattiger6957 Well, I wouldn't go that far. In fairness, they have already added to the BC all the most important games and a lot of the not-that-relevant ones... in other words, there are not that many other games to be added to the BC anyways.
Microsoft always had intentions of bringing 360 compatibility to the Xbox One. It was one of the initial design goals from the beginning, even though it wasn't implemented at launch. Xbox One was an entirely different architecture from the 360, implementing an emulator for all of that content was never going to be trivial to implement and impossible to try and shoehorn in after the fact.
Ummm...no it's not the same price. Gamepass is 9.99 for either pc or Xbox with games day one. Then there's ultimate at 14.99 which is Xbox & PC game pass, Xbox gold, ea play. Sony has an additional tier which they put demos behind a 17 or 18 dollar pay wall. Then you can't play ps3 as a downloaded game. Sure it's 700+ games but it's behind a higher price. Where game pass is one tier if we say ultimate is the base version and the pc or Xbox only version of GP is a cheaper option if you don't have one or the other.
@@CanforCanadainsfirst oh ffs, let's not pretend any of these mega corps give a flying fuck about artistic integrity, the sanctity of the medium, or the consumer in general (outside of extracting as much money from them as possible). Like every publicly traded corporation, they care only about profits, because the shareholders care only about profits. MS only made gamepass because they were struggling and had to get creative. It was a genius move, but it was made for the express purpose of making money, and gaining back mindshare. The manufacturer of your most favorite plastic box doesn't give a shit about you. They can't even deliver a functioning product on launch with an infinite money cheat lol. Kids and your corporate pandering, sheesh, were fucking doomed, man.
@@TheKronpowkid88 Well then you set your self up for disappointment then. It was already confirmed that you weren't getting a Gamepass competitor with things like day one releases so you have no one to blame but yourself
Sony should’ve stuck with the PS3 Cell Processor because now you can’t play a lot of games from the PS3 on the PS5. If Sony truly wants backwards compatibility they’ll need 1-4 years to truly bring it back. The problem is that the PS3 Cell Processor is way too complicated and it’s completely different from the PS4 and PS5. Sony still has the source code of the PS3 Cell Processor so it’s still possible.
Bingo, that’s why the Xbox is capable of emulating a ton of old games their chips for the most part still use the same hardware. Sony on the other hand always changes for some reason, except for these last 2 generations, that’s why the ps5 can run ps4 games so easily
One day all of this wont even matter. Your grandkids will be adults, youll be pushin a walker as you walk and they wont even know what a Playstation is.
Honestly the best thing you can do if you want to experience past generation games again is just to save your games and hardware. Don’t sell them or give them away because companies aren’t required to provide backwards compatibility nor do they ever rerelease its full catalogue of games.
I still keep all my old PlayStations and other consoles. It’s fun to plug them in every now and then, but I worry that the hardware will fail me as it gets older. I hope Sony make a backwards compatible PS5, so I can play all my old games on one system.
That's all well and good for now, but that's not going to be an option the further away you get from those original consoles. There's going to come a point where games will just be lost to history because the older hardware either won't be available or will become too expensive to maintain or harder to find. Entire libraries and with it the heritage of the medium will inevitably be lost to history. Imagine not being able to read a book, listen to a song or watch a movie because it came out decades ago. That's insane. It would rob future generations of the opportunity they deserve to experience the history of an artistic medium for themselves, and it's no different and no less important for video games.
@@fattiger6957 That's why they're highly sought after on Ebay. I saw one unopened CECH-A01XX fat PS3 model going for 1.6k, so that should tell you how valuable these babies really are. Though, realistically speaking, most of these backwards compatible models are going for 300-400 USD on average. The aforementioned listing was probably the most expensive I found.
I bought an Xbox Series X specifically because I could play a library of old games I missed - notably Final Fantasy XIII which still has the best version to date on the Xbox. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would love to revisit the library of games they missed from previous generations. For people between both consoles, that kind of addition is a feature and makes customers feel safe investing in your ecosystem.
FF13 trilogy is one of my reasons to turn on my PS3, it’s soooo stupid they’re locked on PS3 while on Xbox people can play them through 360 to Series with various enhancement and boost Want to buy them on Xbox but my saves also locked on PS3 “PS3 emulation is hard”, “different architecture” and so on are stupid fanboy talk defending Sony It's 90nm CPU-GPU from 2006 while we now have 7nm Zen 2-RDNA 2 APU I have classic FF7 on PS3, the only way I can play it on newer system is to repurchase PS4 version or through Now subscription Where’s the logic in that when people can do it for free on jail broken PS4 Sony already announced that they're remastering TLOU for PS5, it's their business model to make us buy their games multiple times I have PC and I play a lot of Xcom, like it so much I went back to play DOS version of Xcom Never have OG Xbox as I grew up with PS but now I have a few of OG games With MS unified store, unified API, backward compatibility etc, like you I feel save investing in MS ecosystem Most people don’t realize that backward compatibility commitment also about our current purchases, whether if we can play it on next gen console for free or we’re forced to buy remastered/director’s cut edition/upgrade fee etc
They’ve been steadily increasing revenue, fanbase, subscribers, gaming market place… what exactly is downhill other then their inability to emulate ps3
@@WVRLORD They are losing a lot of Japanese dev support though. A lot of them aren't willing to put their games on their system any more. A lot of times those games are going on Switch and PC, especially for Visual Novel companies and some JRPG companies as well as for smaller Western Indie devs because Sony is such a pain in the ass to work with. I honestly think Jim Ryan is slowly putting the Playstation brand into the ground although it obviously won't completely crash as it's too big. They make clearly anti-consumer moves since he is at the top. I honestly have the feeling Jim Ryan doesn't care about video games at all. The only thing he cares about is huge AAA games that make him as much money as possible, but not about the actual art of videos games. Playstation just turned into a US brand instead of a Japanese brand unfortunately and while I still enjoy playing on my PS5, I don't like that a at all since a lot of the quirky Japanese games are leaving the system behind and that's where my main interest in gaming lies since last gen. The whole "for the players" has become a ridiculous parody on themselves as they don't give two fucks about their players. I would say that the only reason why PS is doing so overwhelmingly good compared to Microsoft is because Microsoft dug their own grave at the beginning of last gen and they still haven't fully recovered from that. And as far as increased revenue goes, It's gaming in general that has a revenue boost each year, that's not a Sony only thing and certainly hasn't had anything to do with Jim Ryan. Jim Ryan is like Don Mattrick but not as bad/incompetent. They will without a doubt keep doing well this gen, but I am honestly somewhat worried for next gens.
@@marty8370 There are plenty of Japanese devs who don't release any or some types games any more on Playstation that used to release everything Playstation and release them on Switch instead. That's not nonsense, those are facts. Half of the Japanese visual novel releases don't come to Playstation any more like they did a couple of years ago. The same goes for some smaller indie companies here in the West because they don't want to deal with Sony's prices and draconian process of putting games on their systems. Switch has way more indies compared to Sony on their system and that only started to happen the last couple of years. Granted, there is a lot of crap on there, but still. You can look up the indies who are pissed at Sony on how they handle things. I'm sure Spawn Wave did videos on that before when it was news. They are still doing great as far as AAA western titles go, but unfortunately they are not as great as they were the last 2 gens as far as more niche Japanese and indie games go and it sucks. They are losing the Japanese market and I honestly think it's by design with them axing Japan Studios and things like that. As far as the emulation thing goes, I would love for them to have a go at it since there are plenty of PS3 games I would love to play, but it is what it is.
Unless Sony lets us play our physical copies of PS1,2,3-games on PS5, they should AT LEAST follow Microsoft's example by letting us download PS1,2,3-games by verifying our physical discs. SW you rock!
Sony has gotten complacent, and complacency is the driving force for mistakes. Not adding or even considering legacy content without fan feedback is one of them.
There is some demand in the hardcore gaming audience, but that makes up only about 2% of the overall market. Your average person who owns a console just doesn't care that much about playing older games.
Streaming games is so laggy, and the PS4 and PS5 already have super high built in input delay compared to gaming on the Xbox and especially PC. While eventually it will improve, nothing beats native gaming. Sony technologically not tapping into all their past is just stupid when they absolutely can. Jim Ryan is the Scrooge of Gaming.
It doesn’t matter why they did it. They’re more than capable of pulling it off. PS3 games can be emulated on x86 on very similar hardware with very few issues. And Sony’s gaming division is the second-most valuable company in the industry. They only didn’t do it because they wanted to take the easy way out. There’s no excuse. Doesn’t help that PS Now streaming is horrible, so many of these games will be borderline unplayable…
This. If they made an actual Emulator and let us play our Library we own they just couldnt sell us those Games again. Thats why its nit made. Doesnt make much Sense for Sony to invest in Millions over Millions in PS3 Servers but not in an Emulator because its to expensive. Also, they can sell us Remakes more easily. Those are the two Reasons.
I have never liked Xbox but I have been seriously looking at getting an Xbox One X or Series X just for the backwards compatibility. Though I would need to pick up a huge Xbox 360 library on the cheap..
@@theamazingmikelee9857 buy the games from an nearly game shop for cheap Yes Gotten 2 games for £2.50 £1.50 for both games it would cost me £25.00 for them
Microsoft has since said that they want as many Activision Blizzard games on Game Pass as possible. They previously identified technical and licensing limitations to doing more back-compat. The ActiBlizz purchase is likely reducing some of those licensing restrictions, and creating opportunity for the back-compat team. There are hundreds of OG Xbox and 360 games owned by ActiBlizz. So I bet the backwards compatibility team is busily working away on those, in anticipation of that purchase going through!
@@marty8370 It's not a done deal, but I bet Microsoft believes that when the dust settles the deal will go through, and as a consequence they're likely investing resources in improving the back-compat of Activision titles.
@@marty8370 My closing statement in my post was "So I bet the backwards compatibility team is busily working away on those, in anticipation of that purchase going through!" For sure the deal might not go through. My bet is the back-compat team is working hard at the task, in the expectation that the deal goes, through. If it doesn't, then that work may go to waste.
It really is a shame most of these companies (refering to Sony and Nintendo mostly) don't care about game preservation in the slightest... yeah sure it will cost a bit more to get them all run natively, but I feel their should at least be an option for consumers, if not, at least get together with some devs and creat some sort of preservation for their past consoles games, especially those that haven't even recieved a port outside of the said past Consoles.
Sony couldn't even make their own Emulator for the playstation classic, there's NO way they'd make their own PS3 emulator. They could make THE BEST PS3 emulator, hands down, but they choose not to for some reason.
People like you who are willing to give more money to Sony for playing PS classic games through the cloud to force people for buying more consoles and you are the main part of the problem.
The way Sony made the PS3 backwards compatible to the PS2 when it first launched was by literally putting a PS2 inside of the PS3, that's why the system was so bulky and why it was so expensive to manufacture, the PS3 Slim decided to remove that feature entirely in order to cut costs and make the console more affordable to compete with the 360
Yet they made a PS2 emulator when that happened and it was decent, not great but very impressive at the time With a modded PS3 slim you have a nice PS2 library
@@TheyWantMeGone69 remember PS2 Classics? All the games on that section were emulated, so after the PS3 got jailbroken, hackers found a way to made the emulator works with other games, the way to do this depends if you're using Hen or CFW and most games need a specific config file to work properly Other games straight up won't work or have framedrops and graphical glitches sadly, so not every game will be playable
They really dropped the ball with PS3 and completely forgetting the Vita. To have all PlayStation systems games playable on PS5 and downloadable would have been a fantastic announcement. But they ruined it by locking it behind a subscription and keeping PS3 stream only. But to be fair it's at least a step in the right direction with backwards compatibility.
I feel like the Vita will be added eventually. It's not the best look to announce your shutting down the store then immediately put everything in a subscription service. They'll probably wait a year or so for people to forget then roll it out. I expect something similar from Nintendo.
And how do you expect them to make Vita games work without taking the time to convert them ala Gravity Rush Remastered and Tearaway Unfolded? Vita games are very touch screen and rear touch pad heavy. Some games like Uncharted have points where you _literally cannot progress_ without using the Vita features like the camera. The PSP is just buttons and that's why it can be included. Yes it's too bad Vita wasn't included but there's really no feasible way to do so. As for the PS3 part they'd need an emulator which I'm not holding my breath they'll do. And we don't know for sure yet those games will be locked behind a subscription. Wait until it releases.
@@dapperfan44 Bro there are Nintendo ds games and gba games on the ps5 aka Megaman Zero/Zx Legacy Collection and the Azure Striker Gunvolt games there’s no excuse since the ds line used touch screens
@@hattoripool1533 Those are 2D sidescrollers fam. They don't need touch controls. And again, back to my initial point. Are those the _direct DS ports_ or are they conversions? Thank you.
At this point, I'd be happier with a hardware addon to accommodate older hardware similar to the polymega. Go ahead and throw a high price tag on it, I'll pay it.
I would invest in making a Playstation 3 emulator for the PS5. The reason would be two fold. The main reason would be for game streaming as it would simplify logistics as you would be able to stream games for all platforms with one line of hardware. As it is now, without that emulation, Sony has to maintain two sets of servers, one set to stream Playstation 3 games and another for PS4 & PS5 games. With the development of an emulator, you only need one piece of server hardware. The second reason would be because I could see the emulator being monetized for those players who prefer playing their physical game collections. I think there would be a sufficient number of people who would pay for an emulator to play their physical collection of Playstation, Playstation2, & Playstation 3 games on their Playstation 5's.
Nobody would wanna pay to simply be able to put their disc into the console. I for one wouldn't, especially since every PS emulator on PC can read PS discs. If not, just ISO dump the disc and you've digitize your library, free of charge.
even then look at nintendo attempts at emulation. using emulation meant that the wii could have a good retro libary with out needing to remake everything from sratch and it made for much low effort releases likethe mario all stars release
When a console reaches the end of it's lifespan (i.e. when it stops being manufactured) the manufacturer should at minimum open source their development tools for the console if not release an emulator for it, so at least the community can take ownership of it. Even if sony doesn't care enough to invest resources into developing and maintaining a PS3 emulator, there will always be people in the community that absolutely care enough about it to put their own free time into projects like RPCS3. There are probably developers who would port/develop/maintain a version of RPCS3 for PS5 if only Sony would let them
You fail to realize that the console crowd is not smart enough to use rpcs3. Its a fact that the console crowd is often low iq, and often poor. And dont bother wasting energy thinking sony will do it for them.
Corporations should also forgo all profit and intellectual property. Any other requests? Lol y’all crack me up. These corporations spend BILLIONS and you think they’ll give this shit away for free.
Even after years of Xbox one having full bc only 16% of the total game time on Gamepass is spent playing 360 and Xbox games. It's not that Sony can't do it, it's just that they don't see it as being worth the hassle.
Why should they?.... Sony need to concentrate on newer consoles and games and after spending billions just in rnd you demand they should open source their ip... Jesus some of you people need to stop thinking that your owed everything in life..... Just go and get a dirt cheap os3 and even cheaper games that cost pennies mostly but no you want everything free.
If u still can’t see that greed is the main reason behind Sony not really allowing a legit backwards compatibility feature on there console. Then u need a reality check. Making there console backwards compatible is far from the issue. Hint the ps4 being able to play games like manhunt, Max Payne, gta SA, and vice city.
The sensible thing is emulation, but ngl between the Gran Tarismo stuff and the pricing with HFW Sony is acting more and more like another EA or Ubisoft
Ya thats what happens when you fanboy over a console because the other one did a poor job at selling itself and everyone getting mad about it without taking the time to think about it.
They dropped the ball with this one. My decision whether to upgrade to the premium tier or stay with the basic ps plus was contingent on whether or not ps3 titles would be available natively (and I doubt I’m the only one).
That fact that Sony doesn't take advantage of their old gen games is amazingly stupid. On my PS3 I bought a lot of PS1 games (digital), I would love to be able to play my *entire* PS library on PS4/PS5. Why not? People can emulate anything, and makes emulators for anything, I can literally play Switch, GameBoy, Sega, etc, etc, etc on my computer. There is no reason why Sony can't emulate their old games and make their entire game library available on PS store
The true best scenario when it comes to backwards compatibility on PS5 would be for them to include system level emulation solutions for PS1, PS2, and PS3 games. That way, we could buy old games digitally, but it would also enable the games to run from original discs, with no downloads needed. Just like all PS3 consoles can play most PS1 discs. But, playing PS1 discs is impossible to implement on PS4 and PS5, since both consoles can't read any type of CD or CD-ROM.
And the PS3 is a vastly different system than what the PS5 happens to be, so it won’t be an easy process, but it would still be doable for the PS5 to emulate PS3.
its been tested as working the cd. All dvd and bluray players play cds also. They just didnt renew any licenses for audio cd playback. If they wanted to they could reactivate it for ps1 playback
@@siloPIRATE just wait until we get custom firmware for ps5. Unlocking the PS2 and ps1 emulator they use on there, running the discs straight from ps5 then.
I would definitely have sony invest in emulation for the PS3.. No Doubt. That is a whole generation of games a lot of gamers these days have never heard of. Sony you are disgracing the PS3. Get on it. The PS3 deserves more respect.
They aren't disgracing the ps3. When the servers shut down on ps5 your ps3 games on ps5 will stop working because they are being emulated and not being played off of the disc. That's disgracing the ps3 imo. Sony leaving the ps3 games to be played on the ps3 is more pro game preservation.
You are telling us the corporate answer, here is the real answer, companies hate backwards compatible because that means you buy less new games. Thats it, forget about having it from this gen and forward, sony probably regrets ever puting it on the ps2 and making people expect it every generation
It can probably play ps3 games, especially if they had their own software team working on it. (With the behind the scenes documentation etc) however the sales of the PS4 suggest the majority of people aren’t that bothered about backwards compat, which is a shame but I get the business behind it.
Not exactly. Sales has nothing to do with whether people aren’t bothered by backwards compatibility. Some people just want to play new games, some people still have a PS3, and some people even go as far to mod their PS3s. The disappointing thing about what Sony is doing is that their doing a half-ass job with their new service because they’re afraid of taking a risk. They don’t have faith that their customers will subscribe to the new service if they spend their money to go all out so they’re taking the “safe” route or you can say they’re thinking “short term”.
It absolutely could do PS3 emulation. RPCS3 isn’t GPU-intensive. It’s more about the CPU having many cores to compile PPUs and shaders, but that’s because of circumventing copyright. Sony however could just provide pre-compiled caches and it would run smoothly.
If they were to remaster the Infamous, Killzone, Metal Gear, Resistance, and God of War games that are stuck on the PS3 and release them on the PS5; I would be ok with not having native PS3 emulation on PS5.
From what I was able to grasp from Cerny’s presentation, the PS5 *can* theoretically play PSOne to PS2 and PS4 games without a hitch but PS3 games would be a problem due to how PS3 games were designed for the Cell architecture. All that said, I think if they really wanted to, they could create like a separate box that houses the PS1 - PS3 architecture that connects via usb similar to the psvr box. It would be nice to throw on a classic while waiting for next gen games to drop.
@@crazedlunatic43 Even if they could, it would push the PS5 well past $1000+. It would also result in a some PS3 games working 100%, some at less, or not at all. If even some of the best PS3 emulators have trouble emulating ALL the PS3 games on a PC with a pretty decent CPU, imagine on the “downgraded” custom Zen 2 chip on the PS5. And that custom CPU is what’s holding it back. They had AMD make a custom processor to cut costs because had they just left it as is, we again run into the $1000+ price point. From a business standpoint, it wouldn’t be worth the $1000+ it would cost imo. If I can’t play ALL Ps3 games just as well if I were to buy a PS3 console, then it’s not worth it.
@@lrod312 Fair enough. Cell was massively complex compared to anything that came before and after it (Note: The PS2’s EmotionEngine processor serves as a precursor to Cell, which was also equally complicated in it’s own right). Even to this very day, modern CPUs will definitely struggle trying to emulate the way that the PS3 handles software that were designed for it’s strengths in mind.
I really wish that people would try to develop a more structured narrative around reasons towards why it's purposeful, as opposed to complaining about the choices that Sony has made directly, then, building nonsensical narratives around "it should be possible so they should do it because it would be nice". Especially when you can still purchase the original hardware and software, and still enjoy those titles. As an enthusiast of BC myself, this is the most plausible option. Jim Ryan made a comment about backwards compatibility in June 2017: "When we've dabbled with backwards compatibility, I can say it is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used that much." He's correct. As often as people seek to have it, it rests as a subscription feature for enthusiasts because the average consumer doesn't care enough. Additionally, it's not a free engagement on Sony's behalf so when charged for that design philosophy, people will uproar because they will say that it's not something that they should pay for and that should just "be there" without acknowledging the work necessary to put it there, only for people to complain. Ultimately, the people complaining are going to choose to subscribe to the Premium tier or not. Support preservation by developing your own methods of collection for software and stop placing faith in companies to revert to older game design philosophy just because "it was nice".
Honestly rspc3 is amazing recommended it to anyone wanting to play ps3 games the controller support Is one to one no need to configure the controller just use your standard ps4 controller wired or Bluetooth it's just that easy
@@filipmartinez1162 You can get away with an i5-9600k for most games to run at 60, but it honestly comes down to the games themselves. Some games can never run at 60, even with the strongest CPU (RPCS3 isn't GPU dependent, it's all CPU). I have an i5 myself and games like the Sly Collection, Ratchet Collection, Dawn of the Dragon, they all play at 60 no problem. But games like the Jak collection aren't optimized on the emulator, so the game dips to around 40 or even 35 at some points. But that's only because the game itself is difficult to emulate in general. With an i9 you won't see those dips nearly as much, but it's more expensive, haha. I have an i9 and I can play the Uncharted games at a relatively okay fps, around 30-45 with optimized settings, which works perfectly for me. All up to what you want to play!
I have over 200 physical PS3 games, no way am I paying extra to play them on my PS5. I'll just pick up a few spare PS3 consoles to store away for the future.
I would imagine if Sony charged even up to $50 to download a software emulator for PS5, so it could allow players to play these old game discs on the new hardware... I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
7:00 If Sony is making these PS3 small form factor processors/motherboards you'd think it would be possible to make a small USB PS3 device that kinda looks like a breakout box or small external HDD. That you can just plug into the back of your PS4 or PS5 externally to allow you to insert PS3 games into your current system (or even a PC) and play your physical PS3 games.
honestly i have my doubts , this is how i see this petty stupid stiuation , Microsoft is the Brains of the gaming indusrty , Sony is the middle finger of the gaming industry , and nintendo is more God , knows what he hells nintendo is even doing???
I love my classic games but in all honesty if PS5 did have backwards compatibility I would literally play each old game I wanted to play for like a hour each for the nostalgia trip and never look back on them again until another 10 years
If I was in charge. I would definitely have everything gear towards total backwards compatibility. If not, only just for a courtesy but to also show loyalty to my customers who keep buying the upgraded systems. I've got a question for you. Have you made a video on games that were made for the PS4 platform that do not work on PS5 and why? If not I'd really like to see that video. Thanks a bunch!
If I am not wrong, when Ken Kutaragi was in charge, he did ensure total backwards compatibility on the PS2 and PS3. But it greatly push up the price for the PS3 and Sony was selling them at a loss in which Sony considered as a big failure. After that, Ken Kutaragi had to step down, and Sony tried to cut out all the backwards compatibility hardware to cut down the production cost. There is no backwards compatibility on the PlayStation ever since.
Why doesn’t anyone talk about PS2/PSP/PSOns/Vita compatibility? We all get the PS3 narrative but a PS5 should have NO problem running PS2 games that we can pop in
We got electric cars, super intelligent AI Robots, and the Metaverse. Also there’s emulation on PC they just don’t want to have backwards compatibility they will stay behind while Xbox and Nintendo progress.
The Nintendo part I don't agree with I mean they did it right with the Wii and Wii U but not so much with Switch. Xbox does it right, right from the start since the X360.
Theoretically, I would have given the choices day one, of the standard PS5 as is, and a more expensive Pro model with the Cell and Emotion Engine for those who cared about BC, ensuring that the discs can be used and read and that everybody can access their digital PS3 Library. it would probably be cheaper in the long run than Emulation plus licencing on a per-game basis and would run into less overall issues. I miss the old days of Sony's and Nintendo's methods. Microsoft's current methods just can't compare, it's a massive step back in comparison and the fact that there's still games out there that hasn't been made compatible with the XBOX One and Series X/S just proves that. mandating a first time online connection to fetch those files even when using a disc doesn't help my opinion either. They're all really emphasising the "Backwards" in Backwards Compatibility.
It's not really viable to use native backwards compatibility because it would balloon the price for hardware the user may never use. Emulation allows for the games to be preserved through digital distribution, and potentially use the higher hardware specs for better performance. Of course, publishers will need to give a license for the game to be sold on the store, so if they don't want to sell the game it won't be available. Luckily, all the notable Xbox and Xbox 360 games are either backwards compatible, remastered, or have been rereleased for the newer Xbox systems, so there isn't much to complain about. Also, at least some internet requirements nowadays shouldn't be a problem. All the people complaining about this have internet access, and only know about it by testing everything with the internet off. Why make a huge fuss about a complete non-issue?
I like your idea however given the shortage, many of those PS3 backwards compatible PS5 Pros would have probably been sold to gamers who wouldn't even make use of the backwards compatibility...as they would have just bought it to have a PS5. Not criticizing your idea because I like it...at least some of us would have had a chance to buy one. As it is, we have 3 PS5s in our household...one of which for sure would have been your theoretical Pro had it been available.
I agree. The ps2 had near perfect backwards compatibility with PS1 games. The early ps3 fat models also had backwards compatibility with PS1 and ps2. I don’t understand why Sony can’t just do what was already a fixed problem back in the 2000s when it comes to playing older titles. I mean, is it still that expensive to develop chips from 15, 20, 25+ years ago? And if it did increase the price of the ps5, that’s fine. Just release it as the “pro” model. For those that really want to play there old titles, I’m sure an extra hundred dollars would be fine. And for the others, primarily the younger people who only want to play newer titles, they can just buy the cheaper base model. Then everyone wins :) I miss old Sony....
That would massively increase the price of the console. Not only would it have more components, but Sony would have to start manufacturing the Cell and Emotion Engine again. Producing chips isn't like flipping a light switch. It would cost Sony tens of millions of dollars for a feature that not that many people would take advantage of.
@@fattiger6957 the Pro model would be limited in comparison anyways, like the Digital Edition PS5. Even if I thought about the emulation route, some games would be lost in limbo still. Getting licences would be costly and I wouldn't be able to cater to everybody's tastes, and I don't like the idea of that, especially as somebody who doesn't really play the big mainstream games, it's really tiring seeing those smaller devs getting stiffed like that. Microsoft's method means I couldn't play Phantasy Star Universe on XBOX One when I wanted for example, because they couldn't get the licence. Eternal Sonata? Nope. There's still a lot of games they're missing and I don't think they're all simply down to licensing or technical, it just might be that they just don't want to go after what's essentially a niche among a niche.
We make electronic circuits smaller and smaller these days. They could if they wished to shrink the components needed for "backwards compatibility" and create a system that plays all game media from ps1 to pc physical discs. Folks would buy it.
The biggest issue I'm having with playing PS3 games is that my PS3 is actually having some of the smaller capacitors die on me and I don't have a good enough station to replace those capacitors (if you know someone who does have the ability to help me find these I would be grateful, thank you). So having a newer console that has the option to allow you to play said games would be great. I have multiple ways to play PS2 and PS1 games, but for PS3, you are truly limited to either a console that is almost 20 years old, or you do PS now (soon PS Plus) and at that point all the games you already owned are not something you own since you have to rent the service to play games you physically have. So to me, it's just a double dip on people and hate the fact I'm trying to play games I enjoy and physically own, but need to pay for a service for a game I own and I console I bought that Sony does not want to help me preserve the titles I bought.
@@jonathansoko1085 That's exactly it, if there isn't a ton of money to be made they're not interested. I do kinda hope that they release collections of these old games from PS3 though. I'd much rather have a physical edition of something then try to do the streaming method. And Sony gets money up front I'd say everyone wins.
I'm assuming your talking about the capacitors on the original full backwards ps3. If it is that case I would suggest let it go due to those systems being do damn unreliable. It's problems with the capacitors one day, then issues with the RSX chip the next and so on. Not worth it to keep around considering the PCXS2 is pretty solid if you want to play Ps2 games. Pretty much selling all my PS2 game collection as of this moment since most the games I own for it made the HD jump.
I've always been a playstation guy for year's since ps1 and i've been seeing microsoft with how they been doing the backwards compatibility (not so much now) cause first it was just getting the games working on xbox one then 4k upgrades with one x and now 60fps with the fps boost on series x. Man i'm jealous 😓 (not really but man it sure is cool)
Remastering would be more cost effective. Alternatively, it would be interesting if they partnered with someone to manufacture hardware for the PS3 and sell as a “legacy system”.
@@Extreme2SwaggerHD I also got a good condition second hand ps3. But not sure for how long the trophy will be supported on the system as it is getting very old and I still have many games to complete.
they run lol but non without bug and not flawlessly that's what you doesn't understand . if they put out half baked emulation people will complain even more gtfo
They said in the ps5 trailer back in 2020 they would be able to buy any game from ps1-ps5 and play it yet here we are can do that and have to relay on ps plus and u need really good internet connection
They could just run it on PS3 native 720p if the architecture is really that hard to emulate over. But Sony will be ridiculed because PS5 is about 4k gaming so that will be a win/lose or win/win depending who you're talking to.
@@JokerPoker5RP Agreed, I have both and TV that supports HDMI 2.1, it's been disappointing on the titles so far that can hit that magic 120fps in 4K...
If the system required you to download or stream an old game for play then it's not backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility is you inserting your old disc onto the disc drive of the modern system and it'll just work. That's backwards compatibility. This is just Sony offering select retro titles through a live service so to re-introduced modern gamers to their back catalog.
Sony really needs to give us true PS2 & PS3 playback on the PS5. At this point I want Xbox to outsell PS5 just so Sony can give us true Backwards Compatibility as a way to compete with Microsoft.
Xbox won't sell more units than PS and they're concerned about that. If you want true BackCompat from Sony then y'all gotta speak out. Plus Jim doesn't like old games he's only using em to boost PS+, I honestly don't think Sony will ever truly do it!
people don't care about that ! just buy an old ps3 for god sake . ps3 used to run ps2 and ps1 and they find that people was barely using the feature . they should focus on AAA 4k 60 games buy old console if you wanna plays them
I'm not sure why people seem to think it'd cost millions of dollars to design a PS3 emulator. They already have the exact designs of both the Cell processor and the PS5 system and talented developers. I'm not suggesting it'd be a nothing exercise to undertake, but we're really not talking a multi-million dollar investment to make an emulator. They'd have to invest money into testing individual games, but the emulator itself really shouldn't be a big deal.
It will cost them millions of money to make a ps3 emulator. It doesn't matter if they have talented developers or not. They've got talented developers to make new triple AAA games not to make really sofisticated technological achievement , like making ps3 games on ps5 games work. And Sony most likely don't have a model of the cell processor with them anymore.
Honestly that's one of the reasons why I got an Xbox One X years ago. I have a decent library of 360 and OG Xbox games that aren't stuck on their original hardware.
Short-term is not a great decision to Invest the money (even though They are asking for money to stream the games). Long-term absolutely as it increases the value of the system. I Also think sony should Care about their legacy. It should be a crime that masterpieces such as infamous 2, resistance 3 and MGS 4 are locked in a device that is no longer for sale. I have a series X because I adore the first rdr and what MS did to that game is nothing less than amazing. I still have a ps3 60 GB (partial emulation as I live on Europe) to play those games but when It dies I cant Simply go to a store and get a new One. All the games I have Will become paperweights and If Sony asks the consumer for 80 euros per new release They should Care about the value that those games have to us.
I don't have any ps1-ps3 titles in my library. I want hydrothunder (a port, not an emulation), arcade battllezone (port), etc. Many great games are in the dustbin of history.
You make a great point and asked an excellent question that no one really seems to be answering. It’s simple, from a business standpoint driven by profits, no it’s not worth investing millions of dollars to have BC for PS3 on PS5. It’s a huge financial loss and we’re the minority so most won’t care. However, I still think it should be done, if MS is willing to invest and lose millions for the goodwill of the consumer so should Sony. It’s unbelievable to me that companies that make 100’s of millions can’t seem to fathom losing a bit for the betterment of the industry and for the consumer as a whole. Unfortunately it’s mostly greed, that holds all progress back.
I have to agree with you for the most part. However, the revenue between Sony and Microsoft is so huge that the loss may do more harm toward Sony than Microsoft. Remember that Sony is more than Playstation, it have a TV, Film, Camera, Music and Life insurance division etc. The Playstation division is making the most but is also the one holding up the entire business. I doubt all that money they make stay in the PS division and is send back to their main HQ and is divide back to all their division.
Why would any business invest in a project at a "huge financial loss" for a small group of people? That is not corporate greed, that is just how any normal business operates. If that is a selling point for you, by all means jump on the Xbox. What holds progress back is allocating resources to satisfy a small number of people who want to play games that already exists on a system 10+ years old.
Microsoft can take the risk. Sony can't not. Microsoft does only Software. Sony has so many other divisions that bleeds them and that's what nobody is understanding. If Sony only had PlayStation I think they would risk it.
@@jayceh1031 I have a series x and enjoy the BC it provides immensely. Like I said it’s not the best for profit however the goodwill of consumer can go a long way. For example this was the first generation I bought an Xbox and it was due to the things they were doing that were proconsumer even at the expense of their profits such as GamePass.
When I bought the highest tier I thought I would be able to finally play the OG PS3 games that I never got a chance to play but my internet is so bad I cannot stream. One of the reasons I believe Xbox is better than PS at making consoles, they actually let their fans play their games without having to buy a new version
Few things to note, while the og ps3 played ps1/2 games it didn't play every game and a lot of them it didn't play well. The CD thing is that PS1 discs are a bit different mainly it's anti piracy tricks aka the wobble in the disc that not every CD drive can read and many pal games had libcrypt protection which also can't be read. As for if it's worth it then yes, true the initial investment would be huge but as progres would be made the upkeep cost would shrink where you would only need a few devs working on it plus then you have an emulator that's simple to port to the next generation without the need to start from scratch. For example ePSXe needed many years and a team to get where it is now because it started from nothing. Duckstation was made in roughly two years by one guy because by this point the ps1 is well understood.
The 20gb and 60gb PS3 played PS2 games PERFECTLY.......We know that for a FACT because those 2 models specifically had PS2 guts inside The PS3.....The only one that didn't play PS2 games well was the 80gb model that played PS2 games through emulation and, was only about 65% BC and Sony was not happy with how well the emulator worked... ALL sold versions of the PS3 played PS1 games period, it didn't matter if it had PS2 guts or PS2 emulation, they ALL played PS1 games.....The slim PS3 played PS1 games.....
@@lutherheggs451 Just because the og PS3 had ps2 guts doesn't guarantee perfect emulation there's always the software to run it all, it only had the GS and EE parts for every other part they had to use software emulation. Same thing was with the PS2 it's early models had ps1 guts in it despite that there are handful ps1 games that won't run at all on a ps2 and more that had issues. As for ps1 games on ps3 yes every model playes them but poorly, best example from memory is Spyro 3 just run around the first hub and watch the frame rate drop something that never happened on the ps1.
Even tho I really want to play the ps3 on ps5. I think it’s not reasonable to spend millions on it. However, I believe for some titles bring them back in a collection or a remaster basically a rerelease . Motor storm, mgs4, infamous
Exactly all this stuff they own that was exclusive to the PS3 should be putting collections and either remastered or whatever. They own Blue hole now, those guys could easily turn various collected games and no collection pretty easily I bet. Easy money for Sony and it would find a brand new audience and please the hardcore who still want these games.
I mean why not do it if you can easily make back what you spent? How many more people would buy PS5s or pay in to PS Plus if PS3 downloads where a thing? Not to mention individual purchases millions who missed out on PS3 would make. Charge for a game at $10+ a pop and they would easily pay off the development cost of a emulator.
@@captaindestruction9332 Unfortunately at that point they may as well just release these as a full-on physical release or even a digital release with slightly better graphics and or frame rate etc.
would be great, still disappointed that some of my favorite PS3 games are still missing on PSnow like 3d dot game heros and motorstorm pacific rift amongst others
As someone who has made it a personal mission to rescue, repair, and restore as many backwards compatible PS3s as I can.... I can say definitively yes it would be a good thing if they made it possible to just put a PS3 disc into a PS5 and play it. After working on many BC PS3s I can tell you they are definitely not going to last forever. Even with tons of cooling upgrades, de-lid mods, fan replacements, power supply swaps, and so on; they still have a finite shelf life due to how hot they run. More options for game preservation and enjoyment is always better than less.
Has anyone ever thought that charging separately for the "legacy" tier is a way for SONY to gauge how much interest there truly is in investing money/time in PS3 emulation and then actually SELL the "stable" titles digitally?
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The PS5 should play PS1 through PS5. I truly believe this will be the final generation of physical media consoles. The best thing they could do is put out a console that plays ALL PlayStation games.
I think PS6 will be the last sony console to use physical media and will include ps1-ps5 backward compatibility. Theres no way PS6 wont be powerful enough to emulate ps3 games looool. But still theres possibility that ps5 will be the last to use disc
I think ps6 will still use discs, maybe by the ps7 they’ll get rid of them
I hope the PS6 still uses discs. Include a digital version again, sure. But still have a version that can play discs.
I didn’t consider this and I don’t think Sony did either but it’s a fantastic point
It just doesnt work like that
The problem is, I'd be far more willing to shell out for the higher tier subscription if they had the native emulation rather than the streaming; my internet is passable but inconsistent, and I have no interest in paying a bunch of extra money for a service that's just going to disappoint and frustrate me because I don't have access to cutting-edge high-speed internet.
Unless and until high-speed internet is universal, these game streaming services are going to continue to be a problem; they're essentially building an entire service on top of an infrastructure that simply doesn't exist yet for the majority of people, and it frustrates me that these companies can't seem to comprehend that simple fact.
It's not great even with 100mb internet.
My internet is top notch and the game still feel and play like shit imo.. you can just tell its a stream not to mention anytime I go smoke or eat a snack I'm booted off and hopefully I saved before I go through the 5 minute load up process again.... streams are garbage imo again, I just don't mess with them at all and I always watch how a company handles their business in situations like this
Jim Ryan is a top tier 🤡
@@goodcitizen7064 For real i have really good internet toom PS now is unplayable and looks very compressed and gross, Shockingly Stadia works a lot better lol.
In a heartbeat...MGS4 alone would have me subscribing.
I keep hoping Sony will make a deal with Konami to make a MGS4 remaster or, even better, a remake for the PS5...but in the meantime it would be awesome to replay the PS3 version on my PS5.
I have the 2nd gen backwards compatible PS3 fat that came with MGS4 but I put it away when I bought the PS4 slim bundled with Uncharted 4...just as I put away my PS4 Pro when I got the PS5 day one.
The real issue is the lack of available PS5s...Sony is not financially incentivized to maximize sales because the PS5s are sold as quick as they are produced.
If it wasn't for the shortage, PS5 sales would be setting massive sales records however Sony would still have PS5s available for sale therefore Sony would be incentivized to increase sales even more....such as PS3 native backwards compatibility, etc.
Microsoft, probably unintentionally, made back compat easier by always having similar architecture between generations. Sony is kinda all over the place in terms of that, my guess.
Thats not true as Cell is Power PC just like what the 360 CPU is Power PC nothing like X86
Especially with the ps3, that thing has haunted Sony ever since it released
@@marty8370 Xbox 360 is Power pc but is a pretty standard CPU. Cell is from other planet because of those SPUs.
Microsoft had to invest a lot of money to enable back compat on the Xbone. They were losing the generation and I think they saw back compat as a viable way to claw back a bit of market and honestly I think it worked. Xbox didn't overtake Sony last gen, but they did actually gain traction eventually so it could have been much worse than it ended up being.
It's already been said but yeah... Xbox has mostly been a modified PC running a stripped down version of Windows--it started off that way and that's how it is now--but the Xbox 360 was a totally different architecture. On the other hand, the PlayStation was kind of its own thing until it settled on basically a PC architecture with the PS4, but PSX/PS2/PS3 were totally different. And yet, they are emulating the PSX/PS2 just fine apparently, but are still failing to do the PS3. Something just is not adding up.
Jim Ryan needs the ghost of gaming, future, present and past to visit him tonight!
YES!!! 😁
lol that one caught me off guard bro
I AGREE
It must happen now
So Crash as the ghost of PS past, Ratchet as ghost of present and a massive dollar symbol as ghost of gaming future.
Some of my fave games are on PS3. Shame on Sony for abandoning these games
like all the good god of war games
And lollipop chainsaw
@@dusty_reaper96 Saying Sony abandoned the ps3 is misleading and you people know it, o and the best God of war game is GOW 2018. Shame
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I think what people have said is true about that game it's a really good game but it's not a really good god of war game.
The original five or six God of war games were amazing and had a very particular style and flavor.
Everybody understands that they went in a different direction with the new one but it's a very different direction and it's very different than the rest of the series.
You know why? It isnt profitable for them to give you backwards compatibility. It does nothing for them
Sony never ceases to disappoint me with this subject
well unlike nintendo at least you have ps1 ps2 ps4 and psp games working on ps5
@@PAIN007NAGATO I have PS1, PS2 and PSP games working on my Xbox Series X... BEFORE Sony did...
@@PAIN007NAGATO yeah via psnow and Nintendo just has the switch online emulation which needs a lot of work
@@gundambassexe31 well 99% of ps4 games are working on ps5 thats like thousand of games
@@PAIN007NAGATO good luck with trying to find a PS5 in local stores lol 😓😬😬
I love how Microsoft handles backwards compatibility and lots of the games go on sales for $5 or less and it’s nice to play most of your favorite games on one console
Unfortunately none of my favorite games are really on any Xbox console.
And the discs work also.
I just bought Metal Gear Rising a few days ago for my series X and im loving it
It’s amazing
They went the inefficient way, they're spending a looot more on buying licenses to modify games to get them to 60 fps or have better textures and AA. What should have been done was to make an emulator that just works with any disc or rom that's used for past games. I'd rather the freedom to play any of my games rather than a few that don't look and perform the way they did back then while having many of my games not work at all.
Since the retro gaming market is pretty big on its own, I'd definitely consider investing in backwards compatibility if I was running Sony.
They will never do it.
Yeah but they dont get the money from old disc sales.
I’d like that because I missed the ps3 generation and I would like to play some games from the ps3
How big is it exactly vs the overall number of players?
and then you would run the company into the ground.......Some people have a hard time grasping that the "retro gaming market" is nowhere near as big as they would like to think that it is....They also don't really care about a bunch of hoarders who have their walls full of games
I just want to play my old PS3, 2 and 1 games in my PS5. It would be so good to have just one console to play everything.
PS5 needs to play everything. It would perfectly encapsulate the entire history and would be a footnote for this console. I don’t know if we’ll see physical media continue past this generation. I was a hardcore physical media fan but the pure convenience of digital is undeniable. Sony needs to make the dive and unlock the history of PlayStation and use that in the all out war that’s going to come with Xbox and rapidly growing and really nice deal that is Game Pass.
I like physical media too but your right digital is so convenient.
Convinent yet vulnerable
Sony doesn't really need to... Playstation will outsell Xbox regardless. People point to the Xbox 360/PS3 as an exception, but PS3 still outsold the Xbox 360 eventually even though the Ps3 released one year later. Playstations brand recognition and market dominance is insurmountable over the short term (next decade).
Where Microsoft might be able to make some ground is with revenue. Sony might struggle to attract customers to the higher PS Plus tiers unless they are more aggressive with their offerings. So even though hardware sales might be like 25/75 in Sonys favor, revenue might be closer to 60/40 in Sonys favor since Game Pass is so popular
@@zaidabraham7310 The point is if the ps5 could play all ps games it would be the best console of all time no debate but it can't...
@@thecookj454 But the thing is the vast majority of people don't really care about playing games from past playstation consoles on their ps5. I know you people heavily care about it but it's not really a thing casuals care about. They care about having new experiences on consoles. That's what gaming should be about tbh it should be about always looking at the past. That's what gaming has always been about.
No excuses the Xbox Series S can run Ps1,Ps2, and Psp so Microsoft already plays more Playstation games than Playstation. The Steam Deck can run SOME Ps3 games via emulation so Sony's excuses are straight BS.
Yes I'd invest in full backwards compatibility in order to strengthen Playstation as an ecosystem.
The paradigm has shifted away from just being a console into subscriptions, software and services.
If I'm going to pay a premium for a Playstation subscription I want native access to all generations of their content.
Bruh you dont get it its all about money not qualty and all major corporates are like that
Sony has always been stubborn about addressing the ps5 backwards compatibility issue and they have decided to create a paywall for their customers to have access to that feature which is free on Xbox .
Then you should run out immediately and buy an Xbox so you can play crappy old Xbox games. I will keep my PS5 and play awesome new games!
@@bartcunningham5640 gamers are WEIRD it shouldn't make you personally offended that someone else is into a diff console! imagine having your identity so tied to ps5 or xbox
Personally I prefer remasters, collections, and remakes over cloud based gaming. Although this is something, it’s definitely not ideal.
Sony definitely could enable disc based enhanced backwards compatibility with PS1 ~ PS3 in addition to more compatible PS4 games.
Really though this is a profit driven decision. Of course they’d paywall backwards compatibility with this tier system.
It’s all money and profit driven. If we want things to change we need to voice our opinions regularly to PS about this. Don’t buy into the higher tier PS+. It’s only then PS will get the message and actually do something about it.
True, thou PS1 will never be able to be "Native Disk" supported on account CD disk are not readable on 4K players. ( This was even point out in the Video)
This is also why some early Xbox Duke titles haven't been Ported either ( since they were on CD)
And Early PS2 games were also on CD
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven I thought 4K players could read CD, DVD, BluRay, and 4K BluRay discs.
@@xxnike0629xx Only a few "High-end" 4K player still support CD ( and they branded as Audiophiles players), while the other don't. And even good amount of BluRay players don't allow CD support.
( Look for 4K players that say they can read SACD)
It's sad that Native CD support been dropped for the past 7 years and we have to either use Audio Rips or Streaming apps to play music on our Consoles/PCs
Edit: Also, even if the Player in the PS5 get modded to read CD, it would only support the output of Sound and not Video so we wouldn't be able to see the Game, only hear the sound.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven The Xbox Series X and Xbox One can read CDs
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven just now i was looking at different models of Blu-ray players, and every one i found can also play CDs (even the budget models i looked at can play CDs)
I don’t know if it something to do with where i live
Physical media will never go away I trust physical more than digital..
because is the same as digital media
they use disc that was never fully burned to their DISC
I know I place an PS4 game ( forgot the name ) into an DISC DRIVE with 4k disc support
Windows
Do you want to format this Disc/USB
im sure is an rewritable disc why would it shows up with
24GB of space by windows
The problem with the highest tier of the new service is doing streaming for PS3 shows how little they care about trying to push that tier, and I think can give you a hint up front on how little they care about support their retro games & lack of vita games as well. I'm still really interested to see this catalogue as I just get this feeling it's going to be full of a lot of filler titles & less quality.
But then again if interest in older games was so low why bother with even having these tiers? I would genuinely like to find out how much interest people have in retro games, I think the figure would be reasonably high among Nintendo fans.
I personally still love playing old games as many still hold up well and are a welcome break from current gaming and I still love discovering new retro titles I’ve never played before but feel I might be a minority as most people have this “move on to the next thing” way of looking at games.
Maybe I’m just the sentimental type. 🤣
PS3 was always gonna be streaming only. Thats the reason for Sony having custom server blade made from 8 PS3's, the games run from actual PS3 hardware(no emulation at all)
All they need is an external PS1,2,3,4,etc DVD/BR drive that can connect to usb. Then have an application on the PS5 system to read the data and play the software.
That rare moment when you get to watch Spawn wave in the morning instead of in the late evening. 😅
Not enthusiastic about the lack of backwards compatibility since we've been having trouble finding PS3s to play our older games. :/ I just want to play games from my childhood.
In Romania you can get them as cheap as 20 bucks with controller and everything in working condition =) (alright fine most of them are dirty but when you have an ifixit toolkit it's not a realy big problem)
honestly you're better off building a decent gaming rig. far more options and customization.
@@Ionic0 no 😒
@@Snotboxrocked156 Yo comment is so funny 😭
@@Ionic0 Well, I'd wait on that since PC parts are still pretty damn expensive, and RPCS3 doesn't run the best on lower end hardware. Getting a gaming laptop is cheaper atm but still expensive as a one time purchase.
I feel like they should really consider it given how much they're charging. And I hope their existing PS2 emulation gets improved. I tried Harvest Moon a while back and it was way too dark.
Yeah harvesting human organs and selling them was too dark for me too.
Answering to your question at the end... "No, I wouldn't". Microsoft was in a different situation as to Sony when MS decided to invest more heavily on retro compatibility.
Microsoft had to find a way to stop losing X360 owners from migrating to the new PS4 (rather than going to the Xone), therefore they invested heavily on this.
And now that Xbox got that goodwill back, they've given up on BC. They announced a few months ago that they won't be adding any more legacy games to the BC library.
@@fattiger6957 Well, I wouldn't go that far. In fairness, they have already added to the BC all the most important games and a lot of the not-that-relevant ones... in other words, there are not that many other games to be added to the BC anyways.
@@slickrat also one issue with official preservation is licencing making it not work out when there are no hardware challenges
@@fattiger6957 big difference between giving up and running out of available titles.
Microsoft always had intentions of bringing 360 compatibility to the Xbox One. It was one of the initial design goals from the beginning, even though it wasn't implemented at launch. Xbox One was an entirely different architecture from the 360, implementing an emulator for all of that content was never going to be trivial to implement and impossible to try and shoehorn in after the fact.
My PS3 will stick around forever because of this reason. My R&C collection, my Infamous collection, and plenty more will always be readily available.
So much so that I have 2 PS3s. I have a launch model and a slim.
@@jamesduran3804 I have 2 as well. With one that plays PS2 games but it got the yellow light of death and I don't know where to go to get it fixed.
@@TheNearsightedGamer same here. You just have look local. I got mine fixed but I live in a big city.
I was stoked about sony having a gamepass competitor unfortunately its not even in the same class really sucks
@@seanmcgonigle1182 greedy sony, least xbox cares about its gamers... sony just wants money for there repeated games LOL
@@seanmcgonigle1182 lol liked your own comment that says it all
Ummm...no it's not the same price. Gamepass is 9.99 for either pc or Xbox with games day one. Then there's ultimate at 14.99 which is Xbox & PC game pass, Xbox gold, ea play. Sony has an additional tier which they put demos behind a 17 or 18 dollar pay wall. Then you can't play ps3 as a downloaded game. Sure it's 700+ games but it's behind a higher price. Where game pass is one tier if we say ultimate is the base version and the pc or Xbox only version of GP is a cheaper option if you don't have one or the other.
@@CanforCanadainsfirst oh ffs, let's not pretend any of these mega corps give a flying fuck about artistic integrity, the sanctity of the medium, or the consumer in general (outside of extracting as much money from them as possible). Like every publicly traded corporation, they care only about profits, because the shareholders care only about profits. MS only made gamepass because they were struggling and had to get creative. It was a genius move, but it was made for the express purpose of making money, and gaining back mindshare. The manufacturer of your most favorite plastic box doesn't give a shit about you. They can't even deliver a functioning product on launch with an infinite money cheat lol. Kids and your corporate pandering, sheesh, were fucking doomed, man.
@@TheKronpowkid88 Well then you set your self up for disappointment then. It was already confirmed that you weren't getting a Gamepass competitor with things like day one releases so you have no one to blame but yourself
Sony should’ve stuck with the PS3 Cell Processor because now you can’t play a lot of games from the PS3 on the PS5. If Sony truly wants backwards compatibility they’ll need 1-4 years to truly bring it back. The problem is that the PS3 Cell Processor is way too complicated and it’s completely different from the PS4 and PS5. Sony still has the source code of the PS3 Cell Processor so it’s still possible.
Bingo, that’s why the Xbox is capable of emulating a ton of old games their chips for the most part still use the same hardware. Sony on the other hand always changes for some reason, except for these last 2 generations, that’s why the ps5 can run ps4 games so easily
One day all of this wont even matter. Your grandkids will be adults, youll be pushin a walker as you walk and they wont even know what a Playstation is.
Exactly
Honestly the best thing you can do if you want to experience past generation games again is just to save your games and hardware. Don’t sell them or give them away because companies aren’t required to provide backwards compatibility nor do they ever rerelease its full catalogue of games.
I still keep all my old PlayStations and other consoles. It’s fun to plug them in every now and then, but I worry that the hardware will fail me as it gets older. I hope Sony make a backwards compatible PS5, so I can play all my old games on one system.
Consoles don't last forever.
That's all well and good for now, but that's not going to be an option the further away you get from those original consoles. There's going to come a point where games will just be lost to history because the older hardware either won't be available or will become too expensive to maintain or harder to find. Entire libraries and with it the heritage of the medium will inevitably be lost to history. Imagine not being able to read a book, listen to a song or watch a movie because it came out decades ago. That's insane. It would rob future generations of the opportunity they deserve to experience the history of an artistic medium for themselves, and it's no different and no less important for video games.
@@fattiger6957 That's why they're highly sought after on Ebay. I saw one unopened CECH-A01XX fat PS3 model going for 1.6k, so that should tell you how valuable these babies really are. Though, realistically speaking, most of these backwards compatible models are going for 300-400 USD on average. The aforementioned listing was probably the most expensive I found.
I bought an Xbox Series X specifically because I could play a library of old games I missed - notably Final Fantasy XIII which still has the best version to date on the Xbox. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would love to revisit the library of games they missed from previous generations. For people between both consoles, that kind of addition is a feature and makes customers feel safe investing in your ecosystem.
FF13 trilogy is one of my reasons to turn on my PS3, it’s soooo stupid they’re locked on PS3 while on Xbox people can play them through 360 to Series with various enhancement and boost
Want to buy them on Xbox but my saves also locked on PS3
“PS3 emulation is hard”, “different architecture” and so on are stupid fanboy talk defending Sony
It's 90nm CPU-GPU from 2006 while we now have 7nm Zen 2-RDNA 2 APU
I have classic FF7 on PS3, the only way I can play it on newer system is to repurchase PS4 version or through Now subscription
Where’s the logic in that when people can do it for free on jail broken PS4
Sony already announced that they're remastering TLOU for PS5, it's their business model to make us buy their games multiple times
I have PC and I play a lot of Xcom, like it so much I went back to play DOS version of Xcom
Never have OG Xbox as I grew up with PS but now I have a few of OG games
With MS unified store, unified API, backward compatibility etc, like you I feel save investing in MS ecosystem
Most people don’t realize that backward compatibility commitment also about our current purchases, whether if we can play it on next gen console for free or we’re forced to buy remastered/director’s cut edition/upgrade fee etc
The fact is this. Sonny does not want us to play older games on the PS5. PERIOD. Sony wants us to buy new games and spend MORE $$$
Since jim ryan took over sony been going downhill. They earn millions but can't dedicate a team to emulation
They’ve been steadily increasing revenue, fanbase, subscribers, gaming market place… what exactly is downhill other then their inability to emulate ps3
@@WVRLORD I think he means downhill for the consumers and uphill for Sony and the greedy Stockholders.
@@WVRLORD
They are losing a lot of Japanese dev support though. A lot of them aren't willing to put their games on their system any more.
A lot of times those games are going on Switch and PC, especially for Visual Novel companies and some JRPG companies as well as for smaller Western Indie devs because Sony is such a pain in the ass to work with.
I honestly think Jim Ryan is slowly putting the Playstation brand into the ground although it obviously won't completely crash as it's too big.
They make clearly anti-consumer moves since he is at the top. I honestly have the feeling Jim Ryan doesn't care about video games at all. The only thing he cares about is huge AAA games that make him as much money as possible, but not about the actual art of videos games.
Playstation just turned into a US brand instead of a Japanese brand unfortunately and while I still enjoy playing on my PS5, I don't like that a at all since a lot of the quirky Japanese games are leaving the system behind and that's where my main interest in gaming lies since last gen. The whole "for the players" has become a ridiculous parody on themselves as they don't give two fucks about their players.
I would say that the only reason why PS is doing so overwhelmingly good compared to Microsoft is because Microsoft dug their own grave at the beginning of last gen and they still haven't fully recovered from that. And as far as increased revenue goes, It's gaming in general that has a revenue boost each year, that's not a Sony only thing and certainly hasn't had anything to do with Jim Ryan. Jim Ryan is like Don Mattrick but not as bad/incompetent.
They will without a doubt keep doing well this gen, but I am honestly somewhat worried for next gens.
Nonsense
@@marty8370
There are plenty of Japanese devs who don't release any or some types games any more on Playstation that used to release everything Playstation and release them on Switch instead. That's not nonsense, those are facts. Half of the Japanese visual novel releases don't come to Playstation any more like they did a couple of years ago.
The same goes for some smaller indie companies here in the West because they don't want to deal with Sony's prices and draconian process of putting games on their systems.
Switch has way more indies compared to Sony on their system and that only started to happen the last couple of years. Granted, there is a lot of crap on there, but still.
You can look up the indies who are pissed at Sony on how they handle things. I'm sure Spawn Wave did videos on that before when it was news.
They are still doing great as far as AAA western titles go, but unfortunately they are not as great as they were the last 2 gens as far as more niche Japanese and indie games go and it sucks. They are losing the Japanese market and I honestly think it's by design with them axing Japan Studios and things like that.
As far as the emulation thing goes, I would love for them to have a go at it since there are plenty of PS3 games I would love to play, but it is what it is.
Unless Sony lets us play our physical copies of PS1,2,3-games on PS5, they should AT LEAST follow Microsoft's example by letting us download PS1,2,3-games by verifying our physical discs.
SW you rock!
Sony has gotten complacent, and complacency is the driving force for mistakes. Not adding or even considering legacy content without fan feedback is one of them.
They are far too cozy under Jim Ryan, although to be fair, this started at the latter half of last gen too.
@@Tyler_W good point
There is so much demand for PS3 games that it shocks me they haven’t come up with en emulation solution on the PS5.
Is there really
@@BitchChill well, rpcs3 is very popular and receives updates everyday so...
There is some demand in the hardcore gaming audience, but that makes up only about 2% of the overall market. Your average person who owns a console just doesn't care that much about playing older games.
@@fattiger6957 2% of billions of dollars is a lot of dollars.
A little upscaling would help immensely for PS3 games.
Streaming games is so laggy, and the PS4 and PS5 already have super high built in input delay compared to gaming on the Xbox and especially PC. While eventually it will improve, nothing beats native gaming.
Sony technologically not tapping into all their past is just stupid when they absolutely can. Jim Ryan is the Scrooge of Gaming.
It doesn’t matter why they did it. They’re more than capable of pulling it off. PS3 games can be emulated on x86 on very similar hardware with very few issues. And Sony’s gaming division is the second-most valuable company in the industry. They only didn’t do it because they wanted to take the easy way out. There’s no excuse. Doesn’t help that PS Now streaming is horrible, so many of these games will be borderline unplayable…
This. If they made an actual Emulator and let us play our Library we own they just couldnt sell us those Games again. Thats why its nit made. Doesnt make much Sense for Sony to invest in Millions over Millions in PS3 Servers but not in an Emulator because its to expensive.
Also, they can sell us Remakes more easily.
Those are the two Reasons.
Why I bought an Series X.
Why?Trashbox sucks
@@marty8370 cringe.
I have never liked Xbox but I have been seriously looking at getting an Xbox One X or Series X just for the backwards compatibility. Though I would need to pick up a huge Xbox 360 library on the cheap..
@@theamazingmikelee9857 buy the games from an nearly game shop for cheap
Yes Gotten 2 games for £2.50
£1.50 for both games
it would cost me £25.00 for them
I play my PS3 games in my PS3. If I can’t get the trophies anymore, oh well.
Microsoft has since said that they want as many Activision Blizzard games on Game Pass as possible. They previously identified technical and licensing limitations to doing more back-compat. The ActiBlizz purchase is likely reducing some of those licensing restrictions, and creating opportunity for the back-compat team. There are hundreds of OG Xbox and 360 games owned by ActiBlizz. So I bet the backwards compatibility team is busily working away on those, in anticipation of that purchase going through!
I hope Microsoft is able to make True Crime BC and get the license for the Scarface game again.
That deal is not a done deal. Good look with that
@@marty8370 It's not a done deal, but I bet Microsoft believes that when the dust settles the deal will go through, and as a consequence they're likely investing resources in improving the back-compat of Activision titles.
@@ScrapKing73 Nothing to do with back compatible or licensing. Deal may not get passed. End of
@@marty8370 My closing statement in my post was "So I bet the backwards compatibility team is busily working away on those, in anticipation of that purchase going through!"
For sure the deal might not go through. My bet is the back-compat team is working hard at the task, in the expectation that the deal goes, through. If it doesn't, then that work may go to waste.
I remember when being able to listen to a music CD on your console was a big deal. Now we can't do it at all :(
I didn’t even know you can’t do it now but at the same time, who uses CDs on console now a days
@@eddi3401 or CDs period. Everything is either downloaded or pirated
@@hwanniggles187 I still buy physical from time to time but mostly digital
The Xbox series x can play 💿 cds
@@ezyclapz1221 I didn’t know that either, that’s my main console but I can’t remember the last time I’ve used a CD 😅
My first console was the PS1 when I was 6 and I've owned every playstation except the 5 because I bought a Series X. I'm happy with my decision.
I read that in Hank's voice.
I tried RPCS3 recently and worked better than I thought. It might be the best way to preserve PS3 games...
It really is a shame most of these companies (refering to Sony and Nintendo mostly) don't care about game preservation in the slightest... yeah sure it will cost a bit more to get them all run natively, but I feel their should at least be an option for consumers, if not, at least get together with some devs and creat some sort of preservation for their past consoles games, especially those that haven't even recieved a port outside of the said past Consoles.
Sony couldn't even make their own Emulator for the playstation classic, there's NO way they'd make their own PS3 emulator. They could make THE BEST PS3 emulator, hands down, but they choose not to for some reason.
The reason is forcing people subscribing to PS Plus to play all PS classic games through the Cloud.
That would awesome to play all generation PlayStation games on PS5, I would definitely be willing to pay more for a system if they offered that.
People like you who are willing to give more money to Sony for playing PS classic games through the cloud to force people for buying more consoles and you are the main part of the problem.
The way Sony made the PS3 backwards compatible to the PS2 when it first launched was by literally putting a PS2 inside of the PS3, that's why the system was so bulky and why it was so expensive to manufacture, the PS3 Slim decided to remove that feature entirely in order to cut costs and make the console more affordable to compete with the 360
Yet they made a PS2 emulator when that happened and it was decent, not great but very impressive at the time
With a modded PS3 slim you have a nice PS2 library
@@speed3414 nice
@@speed3414 Where was the PS2 emulator? I had PS3 slim once.
@@TheyWantMeGone69 remember PS2 Classics? All the games on that section were emulated, so after the PS3 got jailbroken, hackers found a way to made the emulator works with other games, the way to do this depends if you're using Hen or CFW and most games need a specific config file to work properly
Other games straight up won't work or have framedrops and graphical glitches sadly, so not every game will be playable
@@speed3414 Ohhh
They really dropped the ball with PS3 and completely forgetting the Vita. To have all PlayStation systems games playable on PS5 and downloadable would have been a fantastic announcement. But they ruined it by locking it behind a subscription and keeping PS3 stream only. But to be fair it's at least a step in the right direction with backwards compatibility.
I feel like the Vita will be added eventually. It's not the best look to announce your shutting down the store then immediately put everything in a subscription service. They'll probably wait a year or so for people to forget then roll it out. I expect something similar from Nintendo.
And how do you expect them to make Vita games work without taking the time to convert them ala Gravity Rush Remastered and Tearaway Unfolded? Vita games are very touch screen and rear touch pad heavy. Some games like Uncharted have points where you _literally cannot progress_ without using the Vita features like the camera. The PSP is just buttons and that's why it can be included.
Yes it's too bad Vita wasn't included but there's really no feasible way to do so.
As for the PS3 part they'd need an emulator which I'm not holding my breath they'll do.
And we don't know for sure yet those games will be locked behind a subscription. Wait until it releases.
@@dapperfan44 Bro there are Nintendo ds games and gba games on the ps5 aka Megaman Zero/Zx Legacy Collection and the Azure Striker Gunvolt games there’s no excuse since the ds line used touch screens
@@hattoripool1533 Those are 2D sidescrollers fam. They don't need touch controls. And again, back to my initial point. Are those the _direct DS ports_ or are they conversions? Thank you.
@@dapperfan44 Not all of them are. a lot of games that got PSTV compatibility can easily be played with little to no touch input
At this point, I'd be happier with a hardware addon to accommodate older hardware similar to the polymega. Go ahead and throw a high price tag on it, I'll pay it.
I would invest in making a Playstation 3 emulator for the PS5. The reason would be two fold. The main reason would be for game streaming as it would simplify logistics as you would be able to stream games for all platforms with one line of hardware. As it is now, without that emulation, Sony has to maintain two sets of servers, one set to stream Playstation 3 games and another for PS4 & PS5 games. With the development of an emulator, you only need one piece of server hardware.
The second reason would be because I could see the emulator being monetized for those players who prefer playing their physical game collections. I think there would be a sufficient number of people who would pay for an emulator to play their physical collection of Playstation, Playstation2, & Playstation 3 games on their Playstation 5's.
Nobody would wanna pay to simply be able to put their disc into the console. I for one wouldn't, especially since every PS emulator on PC can read PS discs. If not, just ISO dump the disc and you've digitize your library, free of charge.
even then look at nintendo attempts at emulation. using emulation meant that the wii could have a good retro libary with out needing to remake everything from sratch and it made for much low effort releases likethe mario all stars release
When a console reaches the end of it's lifespan (i.e. when it stops being manufactured) the manufacturer should at minimum open source their development tools for the console if not release an emulator for it, so at least the community can take ownership of it. Even if sony doesn't care enough to invest resources into developing and maintaining a PS3 emulator, there will always be people in the community that absolutely care enough about it to put their own free time into projects like RPCS3. There are probably developers who would port/develop/maintain a version of RPCS3 for PS5 if only Sony would let them
You fail to realize that the console crowd is not smart enough to use rpcs3. Its a fact that the console crowd is often low iq, and often poor. And dont bother wasting energy thinking sony will do it for them.
Corporations should also forgo all profit and intellectual property. Any other requests? Lol y’all crack me up. These corporations spend BILLIONS and you think they’ll give this shit away for free.
Even after years of Xbox one having full bc only 16% of the total game time on Gamepass is spent playing 360 and Xbox games.
It's not that Sony can't do it, it's just that they don't see it as being worth the hassle.
Why should they?.... Sony need to concentrate on newer consoles and games and after spending billions just in rnd you demand they should open source their ip... Jesus some of you people need to stop thinking that your owed everything in life..... Just go and get a dirt cheap os3 and even cheaper games that cost pennies mostly but no you want everything free.
If microsoft can do it Sony can too but they are just greedy no wonder they work with rockstar games both are two sides of tge same coin
If u still can’t see that greed is the main reason behind Sony not really allowing a legit backwards compatibility feature on there console. Then u need a reality check. Making there console backwards compatible is far from the issue. Hint the ps4 being able to play games like manhunt, Max Payne, gta SA, and vice city.
The sensible thing is emulation, but ngl between the Gran Tarismo stuff and the pricing with HFW Sony is acting more and more like another EA or Ubisoft
Ya thats what happens when you fanboy over a console because the other one did a poor job at selling itself and everyone getting mad about it without taking the time to think about it.
On top of barely trying to keep their console in stock
Drama queening much?
@@rp71284 yeah that too, though to be fair I don’t think they WANT their console to be out of stock
They dropped the ball with this one. My decision whether to upgrade to the premium tier or stay with the basic ps plus was contingent on whether or not ps3 titles would be available natively (and I doubt I’m the only one).
That fact that Sony doesn't take advantage of their old gen games is amazingly stupid. On my PS3 I bought a lot of PS1 games (digital), I would love to be able to play my *entire* PS library on PS4/PS5. Why not? People can emulate anything, and makes emulators for anything, I can literally play Switch, GameBoy, Sega, etc, etc, etc on my computer. There is no reason why Sony can't emulate their old games and make their entire game library available on PS store
The true best scenario when it comes to backwards compatibility on PS5 would be for them to include system level emulation solutions for PS1, PS2, and PS3 games. That way, we could buy old games digitally, but it would also enable the games to run from original discs, with no downloads needed. Just like all PS3 consoles can play most PS1 discs. But, playing PS1 discs is impossible to implement on PS4 and PS5, since both consoles can't read any type of CD or CD-ROM.
And the PS3 is a vastly different system than what the PS5 happens to be, so it won’t be an easy process, but it would still be doable for the PS5 to emulate PS3.
its been tested as working the cd. All dvd and bluray players play cds also. They just didnt renew any licenses for audio cd playback. If they wanted to they could reactivate it for ps1 playback
Really? I would love to see this, I'm gonna look it up.
This is what I read/have been saying. A Blu Ray drive will play a DVD and a CD with no trouble. You have to tell it not to
@@siloPIRATE just wait until we get custom firmware for ps5.
Unlocking the PS2 and ps1 emulator they use on there, running the discs straight from ps5 then.
I would definitely have sony invest in emulation for the PS3.. No Doubt. That is a whole generation of games a lot of gamers these days have never heard of. Sony you are disgracing the PS3. Get on it. The PS3 deserves more respect.
They aren't disgracing the ps3. When the servers shut down on ps5 your ps3 games on ps5 will stop working because they are being emulated and not being played off of the disc. That's disgracing the ps3 imo. Sony leaving the ps3 games to be played on the ps3 is more pro game preservation.
You are telling us the corporate answer, here is the real answer, companies hate backwards compatible because that means you buy less new games. Thats it, forget about having it from this gen and forward, sony probably regrets ever puting it on the ps2 and making people expect it every generation
It can probably play ps3 games, especially if they had their own software team working on it. (With the behind the scenes documentation etc) however the sales of the PS4 suggest the majority of people aren’t that bothered about backwards compat, which is a shame but I get the business behind it.
Not exactly. Sales has nothing to do with whether people aren’t bothered by backwards compatibility. Some people just want to play new games, some people still have a PS3, and some people even go as far to mod their PS3s. The disappointing thing about what Sony is doing is that their doing a half-ass job with their new service because they’re afraid of taking a risk. They don’t have faith that their customers will subscribe to the new service if they spend their money to go all out so they’re taking the “safe” route or you can say they’re thinking “short term”.
It absolutely could do PS3 emulation.
RPCS3 isn’t GPU-intensive.
It’s more about the CPU having many cores to compile PPUs and shaders, but that’s because of circumventing copyright.
Sony however could just provide pre-compiled caches and it would run smoothly.
If they were to remaster the Infamous, Killzone, Metal Gear, Resistance, and God of War games that are stuck on the PS3 and release them on the PS5; I would be ok with not having native PS3 emulation on PS5.
From what I was able to grasp from Cerny’s presentation, the PS5 *can* theoretically play PSOne to PS2 and PS4 games without a hitch but PS3 games would be a problem due to how PS3 games were designed for the Cell architecture. All that said, I think if they really wanted to, they could create like a separate box that houses the PS1 - PS3 architecture that connects via usb similar to the psvr box. It would be nice to throw on a classic while waiting for next gen games to drop.
Sony did have a patent for that
@@overbdrake02 did Jim Ryan dismiss that patent?
Sony has the the full documentation on how their PS3 works, and if they wanted to, they could get it working on their latest PS5 system.
@@crazedlunatic43 Even if they could, it would push the PS5 well past $1000+. It would also result in a some PS3 games working 100%, some at less, or not at all. If even some of the best PS3 emulators have trouble emulating ALL the PS3 games on a PC with a pretty decent CPU, imagine on the “downgraded” custom Zen 2 chip on the PS5. And that custom CPU is what’s holding it back. They had AMD make a custom processor to cut costs because had they just left it as is, we again run into the $1000+ price point. From a business standpoint, it wouldn’t be worth the $1000+ it would cost imo. If I can’t play ALL Ps3 games just as well if I were to buy a PS3 console, then it’s not worth it.
@@lrod312 Fair enough. Cell was massively complex compared to anything that came before and after it (Note: The PS2’s EmotionEngine processor serves as a precursor to Cell, which was also equally complicated in it’s own right). Even to this very day, modern CPUs will definitely struggle trying to emulate the way that the PS3 handles software that were designed for it’s strengths in mind.
I really wish that people would try to develop a more structured narrative around reasons towards why it's purposeful, as opposed to complaining about the choices that Sony has made directly, then, building nonsensical narratives around "it should be possible so they should do it because it would be nice".
Especially when you can still purchase the original hardware and software, and still enjoy those titles. As an enthusiast of BC myself, this is the most plausible option. Jim Ryan made a comment about backwards compatibility in June 2017:
"When we've dabbled with backwards compatibility, I can say it is one of those features that is much requested, but not actually used that much."
He's correct. As often as people seek to have it, it rests as a subscription feature for enthusiasts because the average consumer doesn't care enough. Additionally, it's not a free engagement on Sony's behalf so when charged for that design philosophy, people will uproar because they will say that it's not something that they should pay for and that should just "be there" without acknowledging the work necessary to put it there, only for people to complain.
Ultimately, the people complaining are going to choose to subscribe to the Premium tier or not. Support preservation by developing your own methods of collection for software and stop placing faith in companies to revert to older game design philosophy just because "it was nice".
Honestly rspc3 is amazing recommended it to anyone wanting to play ps3 games the controller support Is one to one no need to configure the controller just use your standard ps4 controller wired or Bluetooth it's just that easy
yep, playing motorstorm pacific rift at 60 Fps, is a dream come true, one sony wont make happen
Still needs a ton of work but it’s getting there
@@Ionic0 What specs do I need to play PS3 games at 60fps more or less?
@@filipmartinez1162 You can get away with an i5-9600k for most games to run at 60, but it honestly comes down to the games themselves. Some games can never run at 60, even with the strongest CPU (RPCS3 isn't GPU dependent, it's all CPU). I have an i5 myself and games like the Sly Collection, Ratchet Collection, Dawn of the Dragon, they all play at 60 no problem. But games like the Jak collection aren't optimized on the emulator, so the game dips to around 40 or even 35 at some points. But that's only because the game itself is difficult to emulate in general. With an i9 you won't see those dips nearly as much, but it's more expensive, haha. I have an i9 and I can play the Uncharted games at a relatively okay fps, around 30-45 with optimized settings, which works perfectly for me. All up to what you want to play!
I agree rpcs3 has been awesome for my nostalgia fix
I have over 200 physical PS3 games, no way am I paying extra to play them on my PS5. I'll just pick up a few spare PS3 consoles to store away for the future.
Sony needs to get off there ass and develop a PS3 emulator that can also offer an FPS boost like Microsoft's!
They need more help than an emulator
Microsoft has an browser that may allow access to other people cloud services for cheaper than PSN
I would imagine if Sony charged even up to $50 to download a software emulator for PS5, so it could allow players to play these old game discs on the new hardware... I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
7:00 If Sony is making these PS3 small form factor processors/motherboards you'd think it would be possible to make a small USB PS3 device that kinda looks like a breakout box or small external HDD. That you can just plug into the back of your PS4 or PS5 externally to allow you to insert PS3 games into your current system (or even a PC) and play your physical PS3 games.
honestly i have my doubts , this is how i see this petty stupid stiuation , Microsoft is the Brains of the gaming indusrty , Sony is the middle finger of the gaming industry , and nintendo is more God , knows what he hells nintendo is even doing???
I love my classic games but in all honesty if PS5 did have backwards compatibility I would literally play each old game I wanted to play for like a hour each for the nostalgia trip and never look back on them again until another 10 years
If I was in charge. I would definitely have everything gear towards total backwards compatibility. If not, only just for a courtesy but to also show loyalty to my customers who keep buying the upgraded systems. I've got a question for you. Have you made a video on games that were made for the PS4 platform that do not work on PS5 and why? If not I'd really like to see that video. Thanks a bunch!
If I am not wrong, when Ken Kutaragi was in charge, he did ensure total backwards compatibility on the PS2 and PS3. But it greatly push up the price for the PS3 and Sony was selling them at a loss in which Sony considered as a big failure. After that, Ken Kutaragi had to step down, and Sony tried to cut out all the backwards compatibility hardware to cut down the production cost. There is no backwards compatibility on the PlayStation ever since.
Still have my entire PlayStation catalog in physical media. I refuse to subscribe to a service to play games I already own. This is anti consumer
Why doesn’t anyone talk about PS2/PSP/PSOns/Vita compatibility? We all get the PS3 narrative but a PS5 should have NO problem running PS2 games that we can pop in
95% of vita games require touch input
@@ThaexakaMavro I just want uncharted vita game. That’s about it. I’m sure it doesn’t need the touch controls.
Could you imagine a ps3 mini with 1080P 60fps at $199... I would throw my money day one!
We got electric cars, super intelligent AI Robots, and the Metaverse. Also there’s emulation on PC they just don’t want to have backwards compatibility they will stay behind while Xbox and Nintendo progress.
The Nintendo part I don't agree with I mean they did it right with the Wii and Wii U but not so much with Switch. Xbox does it right, right from the start since the X360.
Nintendo? Progress? I don’t know if I’d go that far lol
Meanwhile nintendo will Sue you if you even try to Emulate their games Or have had backwards compatibility Which they've dumped on multiple times
@@SuperSaiyanBroku that’s true didn’t think about that. They it least consider older titles it’s like PlayStation only cares about the future
@@J0kerHecz true
My ten year old computer can run a ps2 emulator, but non of the engineers at Sony can figure it out?
They want people to pay for ps plus
Theoretically, I would have given the choices day one, of the standard PS5 as is, and a more expensive Pro model with the Cell and Emotion Engine for those who cared about BC, ensuring that the discs can be used and read and that everybody can access their digital PS3 Library. it would probably be cheaper in the long run than Emulation plus licencing on a per-game basis and would run into less overall issues.
I miss the old days of Sony's and Nintendo's methods. Microsoft's current methods just can't compare, it's a massive step back in comparison and the fact that there's still games out there that hasn't been made compatible with the XBOX One and Series X/S just proves that. mandating a first time online connection to fetch those files even when using a disc doesn't help my opinion either. They're all really emphasising the "Backwards" in Backwards Compatibility.
It's not really viable to use native backwards compatibility because it would balloon the price for hardware the user may never use. Emulation allows for the games to be preserved through digital distribution, and potentially use the higher hardware specs for better performance. Of course, publishers will need to give a license for the game to be sold on the store, so if they don't want to sell the game it won't be available. Luckily, all the notable Xbox and Xbox 360 games are either backwards compatible, remastered, or have been rereleased for the newer Xbox systems, so there isn't much to complain about.
Also, at least some internet requirements nowadays shouldn't be a problem. All the people complaining about this have internet access, and only know about it by testing everything with the internet off. Why make a huge fuss about a complete non-issue?
I like your idea however given the shortage, many of those PS3 backwards compatible PS5 Pros would have probably been sold to gamers who wouldn't even make use of the backwards compatibility...as they would have just bought it to have a PS5.
Not criticizing your idea because I like it...at least some of us would have had a chance to buy one.
As it is, we have 3 PS5s in our household...one of which for sure would have been your theoretical Pro had it been available.
I agree. The ps2 had near perfect backwards compatibility with PS1 games. The early ps3 fat models also had backwards compatibility with PS1 and ps2. I don’t understand why Sony can’t just do what was already a fixed problem back in the 2000s when it comes to playing older titles. I mean, is it still that expensive to develop chips from 15, 20, 25+ years ago? And if it did increase the price of the ps5, that’s fine. Just release it as the “pro” model. For those that really want to play there old titles, I’m sure an extra hundred dollars would be fine. And for the others, primarily the younger people who only want to play newer titles, they can just buy the cheaper base model. Then everyone wins :)
I miss old Sony....
That would massively increase the price of the console. Not only would it have more components, but Sony would have to start manufacturing the Cell and Emotion Engine again. Producing chips isn't like flipping a light switch. It would cost Sony tens of millions of dollars for a feature that not that many people would take advantage of.
@@fattiger6957 the Pro model would be limited in comparison anyways, like the Digital Edition PS5.
Even if I thought about the emulation route, some games would be lost in limbo still. Getting licences would be costly and I wouldn't be able to cater to everybody's tastes, and I don't like the idea of that, especially as somebody who doesn't really play the big mainstream games, it's really tiring seeing those smaller devs getting stiffed like that. Microsoft's method means I couldn't play Phantasy Star Universe on XBOX One when I wanted for example, because they couldn't get the licence. Eternal Sonata? Nope. There's still a lot of games they're missing and I don't think they're all simply down to licensing or technical, it just might be that they just don't want to go after what's essentially a niche among a niche.
We make electronic circuits smaller and smaller these days. They could if they wished to shrink the components needed for "backwards compatibility" and create a system that plays all game media from ps1 to pc physical discs. Folks would buy it.
The biggest issue I'm having with playing PS3 games is that my PS3 is actually having some of the smaller capacitors die on me and I don't have a good enough station to replace those capacitors (if you know someone who does have the ability to help me find these I would be grateful, thank you). So having a newer console that has the option to allow you to play said games would be great. I have multiple ways to play PS2 and PS1 games, but for PS3, you are truly limited to either a console that is almost 20 years old, or you do PS now (soon PS Plus) and at that point all the games you already owned are not something you own since you have to rent the service to play games you physically have. So to me, it's just a double dip on people and hate the fact I'm trying to play games I enjoy and physically own, but need to pay for a service for a game I own and I console I bought that Sony does not want to help me preserve the titles I bought.
But sony says you dont need or want it. So you wont be getting what you want. Sony cant monetize backwards compatibility, give up dude.
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That's exactly it, if there isn't a ton of money to be made they're not interested.
I do kinda hope that they release collections of these old games from PS3 though.
I'd much rather have a physical edition of something then try to do the streaming method.
And Sony gets money up front I'd say everyone wins.
I'm assuming your talking about the capacitors on the original full backwards ps3. If it is that case I would suggest let it go due to those systems being do damn unreliable. It's problems with the capacitors one day, then issues with the RSX chip the next and so on. Not worth it to keep around considering the PCXS2 is pretty solid if you want to play Ps2 games. Pretty much selling all my PS2 game collection as of this moment since most the games I own for it made the HD jump.
What about a show called BrawnWave, where you show off your Dragon Ball Workout Regimen?
I've always been a playstation guy for year's since ps1 and i've been seeing microsoft with how they been doing the backwards compatibility (not so much now) cause first it was just getting the games working on xbox one then 4k upgrades with one x and now 60fps with the fps boost on series x. Man i'm jealous 😓 (not really but man it sure is cool)
Who are these people with unscratched ps1 discs?
Remastering would be more cost effective. Alternatively, it would be interesting if they partnered with someone to manufacture hardware for the PS3 and sell as a “legacy system”.
Legacy PS3 system would be an awesome move by Sony.
@@shivanshsharma6163 I don't think they need to do that. Its not necessary imo. Just buy a second hand ps3. I've got a second hand fat ps3.
@@Extreme2SwaggerHD I also got a good condition second hand ps3. But not sure for how long the trophy will be supported on the system as it is getting very old and I still have many games to complete.
@@shivanshsharma6163 I think that the trophies will never stop getting supported.
I'm glad i'm on PC i don't have to worry about backwards compatibility.
The Steam deck can run most ps3 games well via emulation, Sony is just being lazy and greedy, similar to Nintendo and Switch online.
they run lol but non without bug and not flawlessly that's what you doesn't understand . if they put out half baked emulation people will complain even more gtfo
They said in the ps5 trailer back in 2020 they would be able to buy any game from ps1-ps5 and play it yet here we are can do that and have to relay on ps plus and u need really good internet connection
They could just run it on PS3 native 720p if the architecture is really that hard to emulate over. But Sony will be ridiculed because PS5 is about 4k gaming so that will be a win/lose or win/win depending who you're talking to.
Yup so it's not worth it especially if only half the systems have disc drives
Ah yes, the famous 4K 120 FPS of new gen consoles.... So far there is maybe a handful games that have achieved that on both systems.
@@JokerPoker5RP Agreed, I have both and TV that supports HDMI 2.1, it's been disappointing on the titles so far that can hit that magic 120fps in 4K...
@@SuperSaiyanBroku Its called this magical thing called _downloads_
@@JokerPoker5RP It does seem like with FSR out then we’ll get that on both PS5 and Series X/S, it just won’t be for a while yet.
If the system required you to download or stream an old game for play then it's not backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility is you inserting your old disc onto the disc drive of the modern system and it'll just work. That's backwards compatibility. This is just Sony offering select retro titles through a live service so to re-introduced modern gamers to their back catalog.
yup
Sony really needs to give us true PS2 & PS3 playback on the PS5. At this point I want Xbox to outsell PS5 just so Sony can give us true Backwards Compatibility as a way to compete with Microsoft.
Bruhhh
Xbox won't sell more units than PS and they're concerned about that. If you want true BackCompat from Sony then y'all gotta speak out. Plus Jim doesn't like old games he's only using em to boost PS+, I honestly don't think Sony will ever truly do it!
people don't care about that ! just buy an old ps3 for god sake . ps3 used to run ps2 and ps1 and they find that people was barely using the feature . they should focus on AAA 4k 60 games buy old console if you wanna plays them
I'm not sure why people seem to think it'd cost millions of dollars to design a PS3 emulator. They already have the exact designs of both the Cell processor and the PS5 system and talented developers. I'm not suggesting it'd be a nothing exercise to undertake, but we're really not talking a multi-million dollar investment to make an emulator. They'd have to invest money into testing individual games, but the emulator itself really shouldn't be a big deal.
It will cost them millions of money to make a ps3 emulator. It doesn't matter if they have talented developers or not. They've got talented developers to make new triple AAA games not to make really sofisticated technological achievement , like making ps3 games on ps5 games work. And Sony most likely don't have a model of the cell processor with them anymore.
@@Extreme2SwaggerHD I don’t agree with any of that. I’m quite confident they do have many of them and the designs and it would not cost millions
Sony giving customers what they want is like Nintendo refusing to sue everyone.. Never gonna happen.
Depends on what is available. If there are notable PS1/2/P games then I would buy the higher tier.
Honestly that's one of the reasons why I got an Xbox One X years ago. I have a decent library of 360 and OG Xbox games that aren't stuck on their original hardware.
Short-term is not a great decision to Invest the money (even though They are asking for money to stream the games).
Long-term absolutely as it increases the value of the system. I Also think sony should Care about their legacy. It should be a crime that masterpieces such as infamous 2, resistance 3 and MGS 4 are locked in a device that is no longer for sale. I have a series X because I adore the first rdr and what MS did to that game is nothing less than amazing.
I still have a ps3 60 GB (partial emulation as I live on Europe) to play those games but when It dies I cant Simply go to a store and get a new One. All the games I have Will become paperweights and If Sony asks the consumer for 80 euros per new release They should Care about the value that those games have to us.
I don't have any ps1-ps3 titles in my library. I want hydrothunder (a port, not an emulation), arcade battllezone (port), etc. Many great games are in the dustbin of history.
You make a great point and asked an excellent question that no one really seems to be answering.
It’s simple, from a business standpoint driven by profits, no it’s not worth investing millions of dollars to have BC for PS3 on PS5. It’s a huge financial loss and we’re the minority so most won’t care. However, I still think it should be done, if MS is willing to invest and lose millions for the goodwill of the consumer so should Sony. It’s unbelievable to me that companies that make 100’s of millions can’t seem to fathom losing a bit for the betterment of the industry and for the consumer as a whole. Unfortunately it’s mostly greed, that holds all progress back.
I have to agree with you for the most part. However, the revenue between Sony and Microsoft is so huge that the loss may do more harm toward Sony than Microsoft. Remember that Sony is more than Playstation, it have a TV, Film, Camera, Music and Life insurance division etc. The Playstation division is making the most but is also the one holding up the entire business. I doubt all that money they make stay in the PS division and is send back to their main HQ and is divide back to all their division.
Why would any business invest in a project at a "huge financial loss" for a small group of people? That is not corporate greed, that is just how any normal business operates. If that is a selling point for you, by all means jump on the Xbox. What holds progress back is allocating resources to satisfy a small number of people who want to play games that already exists on a system 10+ years old.
og xbox was x86 based 360 was power pc and xbox one was x86 so way easier for them to make it retro compatible
Microsoft can take the risk. Sony can't not. Microsoft does only Software. Sony has so many other divisions that bleeds them and that's what nobody is understanding. If Sony only had PlayStation I think they would risk it.
@@jayceh1031 I have a series x and enjoy the BC it provides immensely. Like I said it’s not the best for profit however the goodwill of consumer can go a long way. For example this was the first generation I bought an Xbox and it was due to the things they were doing that were proconsumer even at the expense of their profits such as GamePass.
I mean also they took away the backwards compatibility for disc on PS3 to make it cheaper
When I bought the highest tier I thought I would be able to finally play the OG PS3 games that I never got a chance to play but my internet is so bad I cannot stream. One of the reasons I believe Xbox is better than PS at making consoles, they actually let their fans play their games without having to buy a new version
Few things to note, while the og ps3 played ps1/2 games it didn't play every game and a lot of them it didn't play well.
The CD thing is that PS1 discs are a bit different mainly it's anti piracy tricks aka the wobble in the disc that not every CD drive can read and many pal games had libcrypt protection which also can't be read.
As for if it's worth it then yes, true the initial investment would be huge but as progres would be made the upkeep cost would shrink where you would only need a few devs working on it plus then you have an emulator that's simple to port to the next generation without the need to start from scratch.
For example ePSXe needed many years and a team to get where it is now because it started from nothing.
Duckstation was made in roughly two years by one guy because by this point the ps1 is well understood.
The 20gb and 60gb PS3 played PS2 games PERFECTLY.......We know that for a FACT because those 2 models specifically had PS2 guts inside The PS3.....The only one that didn't play PS2 games well was the 80gb model that played PS2 games through emulation and, was only about 65% BC and Sony was not happy with how well the emulator worked...
ALL sold versions of the PS3 played PS1 games period, it didn't matter if it had PS2 guts or PS2 emulation, they ALL played PS1 games.....The slim PS3 played PS1 games.....
@@lutherheggs451 Just because the og PS3 had ps2 guts doesn't guarantee perfect emulation there's always the software to run it all, it only had the GS and EE parts for every other part they had to use software emulation.
Same thing was with the PS2 it's early models had ps1 guts in it despite that there are handful ps1 games that won't run at all on a ps2 and more that had issues.
As for ps1 games on ps3 yes every model playes them but poorly, best example from memory is Spyro 3 just run around the first hub and watch the frame rate drop something that never happened on the ps1.
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Even tho I really want to play the ps3 on ps5. I think it’s not reasonable to spend millions on it. However, I believe for some titles bring them back in a collection or a remaster basically a rerelease . Motor storm, mgs4, infamous
Exactly all this stuff they own that was exclusive to the PS3 should be putting collections and either remastered or whatever.
They own Blue hole now, those guys could easily turn various collected games and no collection pretty easily I bet.
Easy money for Sony and it would find a brand new audience and please the hardcore who still want these games.
I mean why not do it if you can easily make back what you spent? How many more people would buy PS5s or pay in to PS Plus if PS3 downloads where a thing? Not to mention individual purchases millions who missed out on PS3 would make. Charge for a game at $10+ a pop and they would easily pay off the development cost of a emulator.
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Unfortunately at that point they may as well just release these as a full-on physical release or even a digital release with slightly better graphics and or frame rate etc.
I can sum it up into two words, corporate greed.
would be great, still disappointed that some of my favorite PS3 games are still missing on PSnow like 3d dot game heros and motorstorm pacific rift amongst others
As someone who has made it a personal mission to rescue, repair, and restore as many backwards compatible PS3s as I can.... I can say definitively yes it would be a good thing if they made it possible to just put a PS3 disc into a PS5 and play it. After working on many BC PS3s I can tell you they are definitely not going to last forever. Even with tons of cooling upgrades, de-lid mods, fan replacements, power supply swaps, and so on; they still have a finite shelf life due to how hot they run.
More options for game preservation and enjoyment is always better than less.
The PS3 will live on through RPCS3. Sony just doesn’t care enough. Licenses will also make a good chunk of the library never playable
I have 5 PS3's but I dread the day when the last one dies and my PS3 collection dies with it. RPCS3 is our only hope...
Has anyone ever thought that charging separately for the "legacy" tier is a way for SONY to gauge how much interest there truly is in investing money/time in PS3 emulation and then actually SELL the "stable" titles digitally?
I think thats just wishfull thinking lol