Mixing Coaching Stock at Chadwick Model Railway | 160.
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So good I watched it twice!
Dedication indeed.
You didn’t fall asleep first time did you? Regards Charlie
I saw a Southern 4-CEP in the BR Blue/grey livery that had been in some sort of accident. The original green paint was showing up underneath the dents.
The correct name for the blood and custard livery is 'crimson lake and cream'. A journalist made up the 'carmine and cream' name and the error has been widely spread.
What an interesting fact mate. Crimson lake and cream, I shall try and remember that one. Regards Charlie
I do this constantly I watch videos and look at images of tourist trains and special trains running now and mix and match. Most railways now have to work with what they have to hand and whats in operational condition. Good and insightful video.
Great comment Matt. It’s great to have you on-board. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway thanks Charlie definitely ended up with a new subscriber mate
I live in Virginia, USA & have US trains; however, I find your presentation of British railroads fascinating & well done. Thank you.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Phil, even from across the pond. Regards Charlie
I'm also in Virginia Smithfield VA USA to be exact
I grew up near Crewe and although I was never a trainspotter I did like trains and used to watch them go past the village all the time, I never used to like mixed carriages though, and as this was the 70s and 80s it was a common occurrence, unlike today I would say (not that I know - lived abroad for 20 years). But anyway, nice video with the usual creativity and fascination.
Thanks Chris, I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting even though you live abroad.
Regards Charlie
I always look forward to your videos and owe you a huge debt for the concept of projects extending beyond life expectancy. As a result I have disposed of a Land Rover and a Morris 1000 Traveller!
That’s great stuff David. You can always waste some of the cash on model trains!
What you call crimson we call Tuscan red. In the US they didn’t use a large contrasting color. Our buffet car we call a dinner. We also have a RPO right behind the engine set. RPO is railroad post office. I don’t know how much of the mail is carried by rail any more. I have gotten most of my passenger cars on eBay, but have bought some but in sell.
Yet another great video. Charlie, you are always interesting.
Two great nations separated by a common language Ken. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway So true! Do want ride the trains in the UK. There’s something g about the feel of the car as you are moving along.
In a way, coaching stock is every bit as interesting as the locomotive pulling the train. This video is a nice simple introduction into how we can add a much greater depth to model railways without having to be expert exhibition standard scratch builders in order to set the scene. I do get that a good number of modellers out there are a bit OCD on everything having to be neat and match nicely, but that kind of spoils a model railway because the real thing was a mixed hotch potch! Carefully selecting the mix of coaches in a train can allow a layout to really tell its own story. For example a nice readily put together 3 coach train formed thus of models quite easily bought at reasonable cost second hand, lets analyse it...Bachmann 3F in BR Early Crest, Hornby Stanier corridor brake third in BR Maroon, Bachmann P1 panelled Corridor Composite in Crimson/Cream, Bachmann Porthole brake third in Crimson/Cream. The first thing that stands out with this service is the mix of liveries, both pre-1956 and post 1956, so its safe to say its after 1956, but the old panelled coach and higher emphasis on crimson and cream stock along with the early crest locomotive tells us its closer to 1956. This is also backed up by there being no Mk1 stock, which was still being built to replace these older vehicles. The next thing it tells us is that everything is of LMS origin, and that tender engine on a short corridor stock train tells us it is a longer distance service on a lesser used route. We can narrow that down a bit further too...the engine is an old Midland Railway design, so that puts us on a quiet backwoods route of the former Midland Railway portion of the LMS in the latter part of the 1950s. Why this particular engine and coaches? I have a photo of exactly this train standing at Redditch station in May of 1958 on a Birmingham New Street to Evesham service, albeit a Saturday extra so the train was shorter than normal to reflect the lower traffic and a normally freight engine was in use in place of the more usual 4P 2-6-4 tank...but still a quiet backwoods route on the former Midland in the latter part of the 1950s. The normal weekday service version on this very same route would simply add a Stanier Corridor Third and at higher traffic times such as the morning and evening rush or summer services a second Composite would be in the formation. You can do this sort of thing for a large portion of the whole BR network. Just by choosing carefully the engine and mix of coaches, you can very well describe a fairly specific place and time.
Such an excellent in-depth comment Simon. Many thanks. Charlie
The train in the 1974 film, Murder on the 0rient Express consists of only 4 coaches. A baggage car, dining car, sleeping car and a Pullman coach, so you can get away with really short express trains if you're copying something from the TV or movies.
An interesting point, however the television might not be the ideal trend to follow! Regards Charlie
The original Orient Express was way shorter than the VSOE one. A more realistic early consist would be something like the LSModels two piece set in teak, with a total of 5 carriages
Afternoon Charlie. Hope you and all your family are well 😀 Very interesting and well out together 👍🏻 My favourite year of train spotting was the 70s just getting to the end of colourful coaching stock especially on holiday specials at BTM on a Friday night Saturday morning stop over before heading south west lol 😆 I can remember the 08 marshalling stock on and off differently trains depending on their destination 🤣 Cheers Stevie 👍🏻
Thanks Stevie, great memories from perhaps simpler times. Regards Charlie
Anothewr great video Charlie ... and it just so happened my daughter brought me some railway magazines today from some one she cleans for and there was a leaflet called "British Railways Titled Train Formations 1950 - 1965 " .. John
A great starting point. Surely it’s an omen. Regards Charlie
Non-rotating tender wheels. Charlie, I think you've discovered a here-to-for unknown track cleaning method!
I always loved the old English corridor passenger cars. The staple of all black & white English mystery & drama films. Thanks for the tour.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video Frank. Yes all British murder mysteries seem to take place on corridor train carriages. Regards Charlie
I have just restarted Model Railway, but now in N gauge as we have downsized. I want to say how much I enjoy watching your videos.
Thanks KST, that’s very kind of you. Regards Charlie
Another great video very grateful for the use of my local club layout for running full length trains this was most informative
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it OR.
Regards Charlie
Total non-sequitur : Kadee metal couplers are the best. Plastic couplers are inferior and give me trouble.
Greetings from Colorado. Home of the world's highest cog railway.
Thanks Dave, and I hope you enjoy the video too. Regards Charlie
Love your Videos, they teach me so much in all aspects of the Hobby. I am new to this Hobby and have absolutely nil knowledge about trains, the era's etc etc, other than some are the ''chuff chuff'' type and the others are ''Dee Der Dee Ders''.... 2nd Class Brake Coach ? Well as a First Class paying customer I would be outraged that the Vermin in 2nd Class get Brakes all to themselves Charlie.. :) I would want a refund. My main interest will be the creativity of it all, landscape etc. I am currently purchasing all my stuff in N Gauge Digital to start my layout next year around a whole room. All your Videos are an immense help to someone like me. Keep up the good work.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video and it’s great to have you on board mate. Regards Charlie
Charlie as a nonrailway modeller you have made clear to me what all the various coach classes are, thank you. very interesting.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie
A minefield if ever there was!
Southern modellers upto the late 60s have less variety available in terms of mixing coaches as they ran most of the time in fixed sets. Though this later could be a mixture of mk1, maunsell and bulleid in varying liveries. The southern also varnished rather than repainted coaches so colours could vary even with the same colour across the set.
You make an interesting points warship Kelly. Regards Charlie
Very informative Chas , I couldn't remember all that information well done you
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting John.
Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie great point about length of trains up to seven coaches, I think you are spot on. Seven coaches look just about right when depicting a long express train.
I think that if you go any longer some thing doesn't look quite right I think it's due to lack of prospective.
Same thing with long freight trains 10 to 20 wagons look just as good as 50 plus.
I couldn’t agree more, regards Charlie
Another great video Charlie..I bet if you did a talk on paint drying it would still be extremely entertaining 😀
That’s very kind of you.
Graham. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie,
Nice presentation on the variety of coaches so many of us remember. I feel sure this will be of interest and of help to those outside the UK interested in and possibly modelling the UK scene.
Overseas visitors might be interested to learn about the concept of Inter-Regional Trains, where the mix of coaching stock could be much more varied.......especially at holiday times......where what I might call the 'extremities' of the system, say Devon & Cornwall in the South-West, or Scotland in the North, would often see mixed coaching stock.
Added to this is the fact that certain regions, or centres, could often find themselves having to reach out for additional coaches on certain trains, again for the summer period, or even for special events such as Horse Race meetings The Grand National at Aintree Racecousrse near Liverpool, comes to mind here.
On such occasions the mix of coach could often be much more varied again, both in the colour of the coaches, but also in the mix of stock such as gangway / corridor stock or suburban.
Keep up the good work Charlie......
Your efforts are much appreciated and as informative and delightfully entertaining as ever...
James Hennighan
Yorkshire, England
P.S.
Whilst it is possible for people to access details about just what and where the basic regions were after 1948, it might be an idea to show a brief clip of this on your site when you are discussing 'the regions'......it would certainly aid understanding for overseas visitors to your site....
Perhaps a map...?
Just a suggestion.
What an excellent comment James with some useful pointers too.
Take care, regards Charlie
Very informative Charlie, as a young 70 YO boy in AUS, I have always been confused by British coach codes and colours. Very well explained. Of course K is for corridor !!😂😂
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting Robert, regards Charlie
3:43 and obviously vaster compartments in 1sr class as obviously shown by th wider distance (and size) between windows as compared to the standard half of the coach. And btw, the standard UIC coach naming is much clearer: A is 1st class, B is 2nd (C in those countries where 3rd class still is a thing), plus D for a luggage compartment (or coach) and consequently AB for a "mixed* ie composite coach with a numeral index indicating the number of separate compartments: A9 being a 9 compartments 1st class coach, B10 a 10 compartments 2nd class one, A4B5 a 4 1st class plus 5 2nd class ones while an A3D will be a 3 1st class compartments plus luggage space composite . Easy.
Great info Jean, much appreciated. Regards Charlie
Great video Charlie. Lots of food for thought.
Thanks John, I’m so pleased that you found it useful. Regards Charlie
Useful insights into a specialist area. Thank you for sharing your research.
I’m so pleased that you found it useful H7. Regards Charlie
You know, you could've done so many unboxings here 😁 interesting video 👍
Darn it, what a blunder!
Regards Charlie
Gun powder wagons??? Like the differences between European and American railroad equipment. The logic in the classifications is perfectly logical. Amazing the level of detail. We have our problems but so different. Here each railroad painted their passenger cars in their own livery. Some quite colorful. Of course who has not seen the stainless steel silver streak! It is a shame that passenger service is not as widely use in the states but it is about the amount of time spent in travel.
Great info Ken. Regards Charlie
Another brilliant video, spend most my time shunting coaching stock and still cant get my head around the letter system.
A point lots of people glance over is most of the mk1 stock was converted to dual air and vac braking and dual ETH and steam heat by BR, allowing them to be used along side the newer Mk2s, as the wouldn't be aloud to be though piped (unbraked) within a passenger train.
Some were even reverted back to vac only. Such is this minefield Ben.
Nicely done, another excellent video presentation. Not only did I learn a great deal, watching those two Warships climbing the helix was particularly striking. A marvellous piece of infrastructure in its own right, but also an excellent way to show some of the coaching stock and locomotives to particular advantage. All the best, Nige
Thanks Knight, I’m so pleased you enjoyed it, particularly the Helix. Regards Charlie
I enjoyed seeing the variety of coaches found on our railways and their different designs and liveries.
As regards the scale ratio, Charlie, it is generally referred to as 1:76 which is an approximation. There are 304.8mm to the foot and as the modelling scale is 4mm to 1ft, if you divide 304.8 by 4 you get 76.2, hence 1:76.2 is the precise ratio, as defined in the P4 Standards.
P4 scale is 4mm to 1 foot, but unlike OO scale, applies to everything including the wheel and track standards used by the prototype, from which the P4 Standards are derived. The tolerance allowed in the P4 Standard is generally a maximum of 0.1mm, hence the need to work to a precise scale ratio. Have a good weekend. Best, Jason.
I’m so pleased you enjoyed it Jason, and thanks for the info regarding Scale’s. Regards Charlie
Loved it as always Charlie, nice break from scratch building coal drops for Goathland
Thanks Alan, I’m so pleased that it made a nice change for you. Regards Charlie
Excellent presentation Charlie, thank you.
You’re most welcome Paddy, regards Charlie
Hi Charlie - I just want to say how much I enjoy your videos. I have been watching your channel for some time now and find myself dipping in and out of the videos very much like I used to do with my Railway Modeller magazines I subscribed to in the early 70's
(the Video Index is a great idea by the way)
So thank you for the sore head, the stiff back, aching knees and empty wallet!
But most of all thank you for getting me back into a hobby I enjoyed as a child
What a heartwarming comment Steve, you’re too kind mate. Regards Charlie
Interesting. Always wondered by so many varied coaches.
Thanks KMR. Regards Charlie
Problem with modelling 60s/70s/80s Motorail, the rakes are very long. During the heyday 6xMK1 FK, 1xMK2A BFK, and between 9 and 13 car flats. Sometimes an RU or RB in place of an FK. There was a service from Brockenhurst to Stirling which 'only' consisted of 2x MK1 Sleeper, 1x MK1 FK, 1xMK1 BFK, but still 7 flats.
Must be careful otherwise they look silly on a layout.
Bring the timescale to late 80s /early 90s and 2x GUVs with 7xMK2 aircons MK1 RBR and a MK1 BG does make for a shorter rake
Great info PC.
Much appreciated, regards Charlie
Thanks for sharing. It's look like you have a MK1 and MK2 eastern region coachs but this does matter as BR mixed the region up anyway. In the 60s they mixed the colours up .you can find a number of photos with the difference rakes of coaching stock. I am making up the Bournemouth to York service which has green and maroon coaching stock. Look forward to your next video 👍😃
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it buddy. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, Very Good video. A couple of comments perhaps to be covered with further videos.
The proportion of 1st to 2nd class accomodation should be around 10 to 15% although there were exceptions some premium services having more 1st class generally it is difficult to justify a full 1st class coach in less than a 5 coach rake.
Ex GWR coaches generally did not leave the region due to loading gauge problems.
Restaurant vehicles needed as mentioned a kitchen and often ran in sets of two or three eg RFO RKB SO or RU SO
The number of brake vehicles seems to have declined in time In the 50's and 60's any train of 4 or more would have had 2 brakes generally at each end. By the 70's and 80's this had declined to one often in the middle of the rake.
If you don't have room for a full rake many branches had through coaches to London which were attached to expresses at the junction. In its simplest form this could be just a BCK or perhaps more commonly a BCK and SK or a BSK and CK. The famous ACE (Atlantic Coast Express) had parts to many destinations - Padstow Plymouth Ilfracombe Bude Torrington amongst others
This means that many mainline trains had 3 or more brakes for an 8 car rake perhaps BSK SK SO RMB FK BSK + SK BCK - 6 different types in an 8 car rake
Inter regional / excursion trains are also very interesting with stock from various companies/regions Bournemouth - York would be Southern and North Eastern and Manchester - Penzance Western and Midland. Sometimes mixed in one rake but often running as two single region rakes used alternately.
Holiday Excursions and football specials on weekends were gloriously mixed often including suburban non corridor vehicles mixed with mainline coaches as the operating department struggled to find enough coaches for the train.
I guess the next subject should be parcels/mail/newspaper trains where the golden rule seemed to be that no two vehicles were the same.
I have a Siphon G, Mk1 BG, LMS50'BG, SR vanC, MK1 GUV, LNER CCT, Mk1 CCT, GWR Hawksworth BG combination
Keep up the excellent work
What an excellent comment Jonathan. Yes it had occurred to me to put together a parcel train video.
However I think that will have to wait until I’m further down the line, excuse the pun.
Thanks again for the info regarding what accompanies the restaurant car, Regards Charlie
Carmine was so bright in the dull post-war years, but the colour division was up and down all the time with panelled coaches. At least, when BR maroon came in, and with the Southern Region's attractive green, one could have all the different periods of pre-grouping and grouped carriages with a uniform colour. It was rare to have a set train of similar carriages.
You’re dead right John, however uniform brakes are quite common model railway shows! Regards Charlie
Very nice video you done like and share thanks DD.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it MMR.
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks charlie always great support.
This has been really useful Charlie! Thank you!
That’s great news.
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting.
Regards Charlie.
Educational! I'd wondered about some of the livery schemes all mixed together.
That’s great W71, I’m so pleased that you found the video useful. Regards Charlie
hi great video as always , one point most passenger trains from 1948 run with 1st class London end. agree with your comment on pricing. the new Bachmann coaches at £75.00 are a joke on our EXTOR JC we run coaches mostly 2nd hand .
best wish bob + nigel pryor
Thanks Bob and Nigel, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Yes the new pricing scheme my Bachmann is shocking. Regards Charlie
It is amazing if one looks at old photographs, how post war shortage of cash and branch lines carried a huge variety of stock ancient and modern... A really useful video Charlie for prototypical modelers and those who like ascetics as well! Cheers!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate. We all still have lots to learn. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, thanks for the video. And difficult subject simply explained. One aspect I note was missing perhaps was connecting trains of inter region stock, perhaps because of the BR theme. I am sure that they continued for quite some time after '48, and would have introduced their own variations based on pre standardised stocks. As a matter of interest a number of the LNER diners that you referenced last in use into the 80s when dual braked stock was finally withdrawn.
The compatibility issues between certain coach types Robert, was just too complex for this video.I do understand the use of adapters et cetera but I thought it would be a step too far. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway HI, it wasn't couplings I was thinking of, but actual coaching stock workings inter regionally, eg. York Bristol, or Newcastle Portsmouth. The 'portion trains' continued for quite some time after nationalisation.
Thank you Charlie,
I asked and you delivered. Nice one Sir.
Very informative and together with the Freight Wagon video will be viewed again and again.
Thank you.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Vernon. Regards Charlie
Thanks for this video. This, and your video on freight wagons, is making me more thoughtful on what I put together as a train and in what order, and may well influence what I buy in future as well. You are doing us all a great service.
What a heartwarming comment Clive, you’re too kind. Regards Charlie
I’ve always wondered how it all panned out with livery and timing.
I was only a toddler when this all happened so couldn’t take notes.
Thank you for the brilliant video 😉
I’ve actually learnt something useful today 😂
Thanks Andrew, that’s very kind of you to say so mate. Regards Charlie
Top video charlie 👍💯👍 really informative thanks 👍👍👍
Thanks Dylan, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate. Regards Charlie
Quite a minefield Charlie, well done to you and your researchers for a well documented video. Makes very interesting watching.
Thanks Bryan,
I learned a great deal in the research and hopefully I’ll retain it too.
Regards Charlie.
I quite fancied one of those blue/grey Gresley buffet cars so just searched on E-Bay and found a couple. Great I thought, until I saw the price tag - both a few pennies short of A HUNDRED QUID ! Utter madness ! All of a sudden, I don’t fancy one anymore 😆
I noticed that too Bryan.
I bet they get snapped up quickly or a lot more come up when folks realise their worth. Regards Charlie.
Search for the ian kirk kit of one instead, it's easy to put together, no more advanced than a plastic wagon kit only longer.
Save a few bob on it and end up with a coach that looks just as good in the rake from viewing distance.
enjoyed the background info and appreciate the link
Thanks John, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Another great informative video Charlie. It is worth noting that in Cornwall trains were often "parked" at a station platform and then moved forward slightly to allow passengers in rear-ward coaches to disembark, in instances where the platform was not long enough to accommodate the whole train length in one go. I have an emotional attachment to the blue era. It may seem odd to your younger viewers but we did not own a family car until 1980. Holidays, usually on the Isle of Wight, always involved train travel. As regards motor rail terminals here in Cornwall, I cannot remember them all but St Austell and Bodmin Parkway were two. The main guts of the St Austell one still remain. Perhaps I should pop down the road and video it before it gets lost forever.
An interesting comment Roger. I now have a destination for my motor rail trains. Regards Charlie
Darrenbury Central Hi v good show. Always find your videos interesting.
Thanks Darren, I’m so pleased that you enjoy following my railway journey.
Charlie Thanks for another useful and entertaining video. I hate to appear pernickety but British Railways originally had 1st and 3rd class. I've done a bit of research on the web and it appears the Mark 1 carriages were first built in 1951 whilst British Railways did not rename 3rd class to 2nd until 3rd June 1956. (I thought it was later than this as I remember the announcement being made but that just shows how old I am.) Hopefully, this is useful for anyone modelling prior to 1956. Roger
An interesting comment Roger, and you’re not the 1st to put me right on this one either. Having no second class was certainly new to me. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Charlie. Just be glad you're too young to remember third class. While I was looking at the Wikipedia page on Mark 1s (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Railways_Mark_1) I found the following "The original vehicles had timber veneer interior finishes, and on the main line vehicles small plastic labels were fixed to the panels, giving the type of wood and its country of origin". I remember seeing such a plastic label when catching a train home from the seaside (probably) Teignmouth with my mum and dad and remarking on it. The country mentioned was Australia. I must have commented on it as I remember a chap in the compartment stating that it meant the carriage had been there. I didn't believe him then - I must have been 7-10 - so it was great to read the true explanation. Another thing to thank you for. Roger
The mk1 RFO never ran by itself in a train. It always had an RU, RB, RBK or RK. Bachmann produce the RU, Hornby the RB. The others aren't available... Hope that helps... Enjoying the videos
Yes David, and I am I’m on the hunt for one. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway hopefully other catering vehicles will appear in due course. Thanks for the reply. The videos are great.
Heard a whisper that an RKB or RK was on the cards
I do hope so David.
Thank you, Charlie. Whilst I realise the point of your fabulous posts are to discuss model railway issues, which i much enjoy, I loved the slightly longer video of trains running this week.
Please keep going!
Best wishes,
Michael x
Thanks Michael, I do try to please everyone. Regards Charlie
Got it in one Charlie...cleared some of the fog from this addled brain...you have managed
to answer the questions that we lurkers didn't dare ask...thanks mate
Thanks Philip, I’m pleased that you found it interesting and perhaps there was something new for most folks.
Regards Charlie.
Interesting video. You are right there are bargains in second hand. I got bachmann MK1s at £20 for boxed ones and £15 for ones miss boxed from Tony's Trains of Rugby.
Nice to see that someone else on the game Peter. Regards Charlie
Nice to see that someone else is on the game Peter. Regards Charlie
Thanks again for your time spent creating these videos. Good on you!!
Thanks Rob, you’re too kind mate. Regards Charlie
Haha,I like the description, blood and custard, Charlie.
These old descriptions are really legends and she never be forgotten Martin. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway too true Charlie 👍
Was a fascinating vision of British Passenger rail. Which is varied and fascinating in its own right. That was an excellent presentation, and one well aimed at the modeler and the modeler/historian (which many of us wind up being, wanted to or not).
Also, the joy of a Club layout is being able to run 'proper' trains--always a boon.
Seeing doubled power gave me a bit of hiccup, about the only time I've seen more than one loco was for Special "Excursion" trains. UP has one in the old Red livery with an A-B-A set of D Units that's largely a museum exhibit (I want to remember it's 10-12 custom Pullmans). UP has a set of "legacy" passenger equipment in the Gold livery that is pulled by a brace of E or F units in A-B fashion, and a Power car in a 6-8 consist. Amtrak never seems to run more than one loco, unless fitted with a Helper to get through mountains. Sadly, long gone are the Kitchen cars to serve proper Restaurant cars. Most of the Club cars (and their handy bartender) have gone to become razor blades as well.
Thanks Captain Mac, useful insight into your world. Regards Charlie
Another fine presentation Charlie, Thank you.👍😁
One wee detail, which I don't often see mentioned, is the simple rule that any passenger train, branch or main line, steam/diesel/electric hauled, DMU or loco hauled, pre-grouping, big four, or more modern era, must include a brake van/guard's compartment in the consist.
While often the last vehicle, it can just as easily be at the front, or anywhere else in the rake but it must be there.
I'm sure 99% of viewers knew that anyway but I've seen expensive locos, hauling highly-detailed stock on exhibition-standard layouts, 𝒘𝒊𝒕𝒉𝒐𝒖𝒕 a van. Apart from ignoring procedure on the real railway, it just looks wrong.😁
I'm referring to UK practice, of course. I would imagine railways in other countries would follow very similar practices but I'm sure viewers from other countries will know the real story.
You have made an excellent point there. One that certainly worthy of a mention next time. Many thanks, regards Charlie
Couplings again! The connection between the class 50 and the GUV van is doing what tension locks often do when gradients change. A good reason for magnetic couplings which at least avoid this type of problem.
Hi Graham,
I’m still unsure of what train to loco coupling that I will eventually choose.
I do wish to uncouple with automation but magnets will not allow me to do so.
However, initially, let’s use magnets and keep it on the track.
Regards Charlie
Always informative Charles, you never fail to add to our knowledge from your research, thank you.
Certainly looking forward to your trains running on Chadwick, cheers Paul.
Thanks Paul, it’s very kind of you to say so mate. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, another very interesting video, it gives us "food for thought" as we go about making up a rake of either Freight Wagons or Passenger Coaches. Thanks for posting. Cheers Greg
Thanks Greg, I’m so pleased that you find the channel interesting.
Regards Charlie
Very interesting video Charlie!!! Thanks for sharing! Cheers Onno.
You’re most welcome Onno. Regards Charlie
Really enjoyed the video Charlie, thank you
You’re most welcome Paul, regards Charlie
Another good one, Charlie. I’ve been wondering about all those coach abbreviations for a while. There are no excuses anymore more for me mixing up air and vacuum brakes coaches just in case a rivet counter walks into my railway room.
Simple answer there David is never to let them in! Regards Charlie
Absolutely brilliant tonight really did enjoy it thank you very much
Thank you Michael, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate. Regards Charlie
Brilliant video Charlie, lots of good and very interesting information. Thanks for taking the time to do the research and pass the info on. 👍👌All the best. John
Thanks John, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie
Lovely video again, Charlie! I'll have to check out my coaches and see what (other) rakes I can build.
Thank you very much for all the well presented information.
Thanks TM, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting. Regards Charlie
Loved this video, really interesting Charlie and nice to see trains running.
Thanks Les, I’m so pleased you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie
Great video, Charlie!
Thanks Edward I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate.
Excellent video Charlie, thank-you. I can recall my delight on travelling from Newton Abbot (which appeared in one of the illustrative photos included) to Manchester and finding ‘for second class use’ notices stuck on first class corridor coaches. Back then, the mid 70s, I was always curious of the heating controls. Each bench seat had an independent ‘electrical heating’ control, there being a single for the ‘steam’ heating for the entire compartment. Thanks again.
The smell of the steam heating coming through the seats is something that can’t be forgotten. Regards Charlie
Charlie, yet another very interesting video.
It shows how helpful it is to get good photographs of the era, and region you are modelling, to see what was going on with wagons and coaches to reproduce an idea of what it was like.
Keep up the great content.
Cheers, and stay safe, Michael
Thanks Michael, I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting. The research is a fascinating aspect of video production and thoroughly enjoyable. Regards Charlie.
Interesting Charlie, learning a lot from your videos!
Thanks Mark, I’m so pleased that you find them useful. Regards Charlie
Good video Charlie on an interesting subject. Some ideas for part 2 : 1. suburban coaching stock - high density coaches for packing in commuters. 2. placing of coach types in rakes I.e. brakes at the ends of rakes, restaurant coaches between classes, restaurants with kitchen cars. 3. Placing of freight in rakes, you mentioned Syphons but also milk tankers and horse boxes which tended to be at the front of rakes to reduce the jerkiness of the ride to protect their loads. 4. Stock you can’t run i.e. air braked stock with vacuum only locos - unless you want to evoke rule 1 of course. BTW You mentioned the green painted Southern region coaches these were well distributed over other regions when the Southern region began to electrify in earnest so don’t feel you can’t run green if you don’t model the Southern. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
Hey very useful comments Simon, many thanks. I was aware of the loading of trains, but completely unaware of the restrictions with horses. Great info, regards Charlie
The southern were early adoptors of air braking in general so shuffled out vacuum brakes sooner than other regions.
EtH vs steam heat is another aspect. You can't heat a steam heat train with a 33 for example, as the southern again was ahead of the other regions and moved to eth early on, though because of the 3rd rail, their eth wasn't compatible with the later eth which was designed with the 25kv system in mind, a 73 for instance can't heat a train of eth stock designed for 25kv as it can't supply enough power. The 33s were consequently more powerful than the 26s or 26s as they could fit a bigger engine with the space saving from no boiler.
For a summer layout this doesn't pose too much problem, but if you run in winter if would. The southern for a short period ran double headed 33+24s in the early 60s until the new eth stock was ready. Early diesels with steam heat boilers often had problems with them, accounting for a lot of reliability problems faced.
Hey Charlie, This is one subject that I have struggled with and so this video is very much apprciated! Awesome Stuff! Thanks!
Thanks Auxie, you’re too kind mate.
Regards Charlie.
Nice bit of coaching on that one Charlie!
Really interesting and enjoyable. Thanks.
Thanks will, I’m so pleased you found it interesting mate. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, spot on with this one! 👍 When I watch your videos I realise how much reading I need to do, but you give a great head start. And yes, thanks to the contributors
Thanks Edward, I did find this one particularly tough but we got there in the end. Take care mate, regards Charlie
Great video Charlie. Thank you for this overview of coaching stock. In the early day's of British Railway's the Custard and Cream could vary quiet a bit as the paint shops mixed their own colours. There was no standard colour swatch to go by. Some of the cream shade could be paler or more yellow depending on where the coach was shopped. The GWR division used their own pre war cream shade. A double chimney King loco should have a loud "bark" to it's exhaust. The sound chips that are in these models sound like single chimney King's. Train spotting as a kid you knew when a double King was coming long before you saw him. Cheers, Chris Perry.
Yes, that bark! Unmistakeable, especially if the driver is faced with a bit of a gradient from the off!!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Chris , and good info on the chimneys. Regards Charlie
A tricky topic well covered Charlie! I always try to make my rakes look feasible rather than historically accurate (didn’t want to say the ‘p’ word that rhymes with analytical 😜) so I go by the rough guide of setting second to first class accommodation in a ratio of about 4 or 5 to 1 and ensuring I have a guards compartment brake in the middle on smaller trains or at each end if it’s an express, plus a catering carriage if it’s inspired by a long haul service (running trains is hungry work! 😅).
And well done for tackling the mind-baffling world of carriage stock abbreviations! Enough to make you dizzy 🥴 😂
Cheers mate, great to see so many varieties of stick in one programme 😎🍻👍🍀
Thanks Tim, for such a heartwarming comment. Regards Charlie
Thanks for that Charlie i now understand better now about coaches.
And you have massive rakes Allan. Regards Charlie
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Hi Charlie
Thanks for this video which again was very informative and useful. I am enjoying this series and learning a fair bit
That’s great news, after all, every day is a school day for us all. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, another very insightful video, mind boggling abbreviations (for me anyway). Thanks for uploading the video, I really enjoy them. All The best, Ian.
Thanks Ian, I’m so pleased that you found a video interesting mate. Regards Charlie
Thank you Charlie a very informative video, much appreciated. Your helix looks amazing!
Thanks JSS, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, Great video as usual and very informative. A slightly unrelated question to the topic but not the video. At about 22.31 minutes into the video, the class 50 stops at the top of the ramp, just after the helix. To my left there is a small corrugated line side hut. It's just what I'm looking for for a diorama I am constructing, ( no i'm not going to ask for it) just the details who its made by and product number etc, if you have them to hand.
Thanks Charlie
Please search for a Peco SS 22. Regards Charlie
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Thanks for another great video. I always like a rake of blood and custard with a. couple of maroon mixed in.
I’m with you on that one Stephen. Regards Charlie
Cracking video Charlie, thanks for the info and tips. Certainly makes sense (ish!) when explained... doesn't it? :)
It certainly made sense to me Mike, most of the time!.
Regards Charlie
Brilliant - everyday is a schoolday 👏
So true Nick, regards Charlie
Very informative video Charlie. Coaching stock is such a minefield. I’m just considering that my railway is a heritage railway and then the mix doesn’t matter in the end. Thanks for sharing and doing the research. Roy.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video Roy, the research is actually quite fun. Regards Charlie
Keep the videos coming Charlie, really enjoying the channel and have binge watched so many of your videos over the last few evenings! I'm currently working on my layout again after a 5 year hiatus, and find these so helpful and relaxing to watch. The wiring and DCC stuff is particularly enlightening. My layout is sort of flexible and based on southern third rail region from 1990s onwards - plenty of variety in freight and departmental stock as well as the Mk1 based EMUs :)
I’m so pleased that you find the channel interesting mate, and good luck with your layout. Regards Charlie
Great and interesting video Charlie 👍
Thanks Jeff, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate. Regards Charlie
Another enjoyable video this time on coaching stock. Hornby Magazine has in the past given examples of train formations for specific routes which people may find useful. Thank you again and look forward to your next video.
Thanks Simon, I have the Hornby formations booklet, but the details are only from around 1970. Still, the research is quite rewarding when you get into the nitty gritty.
Regards Charlie
Hattons also has some of these lists, they do make a reference
Hi Charlie. Another informative and enjoyable video. I can remember the long rakes of crimson and blood and custard coaches being hauled by steam locomotives and the newer green diesels in the 60s. I can also remember the mixed rakes of the newer blue coaches and crimson coaches being hauled by large steam locomotives and the newish 25kv electric locos (also in the 60s) on the newly electrified WCML. Great stuff as always. Cheers Chris.
Great comment Chris, much appreciated, regards Charlie
Fascinating video. Not at all as regimented as I had imagined.
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting Piers. Regards Charlie
What an interesting video which has filled a gap in my knowledge. Your pieces are always of great detail and quality.I should be appreciative if you could do a sequel Inthe future.Terty😊
Thanks Terry, and I’ll look at a sequel in due course. Regards Charlie
Brilliant video thank you
That’s most kind Mike.
Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie great video as always. Train formations are always interesting. Its nice to mix up coaching stock my sets are a little too uniform really.
One issue I have found is I have been fitting the Hunt couplings to different designs of coaches from different manufacturers. This can make it more difficult to couple different designs together. All good fun of course
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting Matt. Coupling are the bane of our lives! Regards Charlie.