Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm sorry but Mark has now run out of these motor kits due to the mad rush of enthusiastic modellers wishing to replace their ailing Ringfield motors. Rest assured that he has more in the pipeline and in a week or so, Mark will be able to fulfil your orders. Regards Charlie
Could you give us his details please ie, eBay shop address etc. Your video was facscinating Charlie, as I’ve a model similar to the remodelled one you used. My is in the same era 30 / 40 years old. Thanks in advance. Frank Hughes
Yep, I was one of those who left it too late! (damn!) Looking forward to re-motoring an old Hornby Coronation Scot, she runs OK but a bit notchy... about 40 years ago, I used to have an HST just like that (and the centre coach had lighting too!), sadly - like so many childhood trainsets, it was sold off by my mum when I left home, er, 30 years ago. Recently scanning a certain auction site, seems there weren't that many around with lighting? I did find a few with the "plunger" pickups like mine had, but not as many as I'd thought.
Charlie, I’m both grateful for the conversion of the treasured old 125 (bought for my son in the early 80’s) and impressed with your skills! I have watched several upgrade videos on TH-cam and found them either incomplete or hard to follow. Your professional (as always) video has changed that and I might even attempt an upgrade of one of my less cherished old locos! I can’t wait for the DCC conversion. A huge thank you 👍
Thanks Steve. Hopefully it will continue to improve with the planned modifications and that you're not in too much of a hurry to have it back. Regards Charlie
Another fantastic video Charlie. As luck would have it, my dear dad bought me a Hornby class 43 HST in the early 80’s. Having seen your video, I’ve just looked in the loft and dusted off my old DC loco. I’ve got my order in with Mark’s ‘Horns & Whistles’ eBay shop and looking forward to attempting the heart transplant you have just demonstrated…..what could possibly go wrong!. If my loco survives my ham-fisted motor change then I’ll be ready to follow in your footsteps again and attempt the DCC conversion. I’m so chuffed that your video has showed how it’s possible to breathe new life into an old loco and bring fond memories of my old HST to life again. Thank you.
Hi Charlie yet again another excellent stream I eras 6 and 7 are a sideline to me as you know, one day I would like to replace the pancake motors in my old Lima and Hornby locos but lack the confidence.
At last an upgrade to some old Dc stock , being im not Dcc its a relief to see a person ( and i know your a Dcc fanatic ) like yourself taking time to do what you have just done and thats baught life back into our old locos , I have 2 Intercity 125s both from early Hornby and after constant cleaning and running are showing the signs you have just put forward in this video , Now rather than selling them on as used and abused im toying with the upgrade and at a fair price i can keep the old stuff rolling . Another very informative video Charlie ,, Thankyou , keep up the fantastic work .
Great video Charlie again. I discovered a Hornby InterCity 125 loco (yellow and grey version)in my loft which I thought I could upgrade to dcc. The loco is at least 40 years old, so do you think it could be done. Thanks
Charlie, Thank you for a great video on the conversion/upgrading of the Hornby Class 43. I also think you have made an extremely valid point regarding the cost of products coming out of the Hornby stable. I cannot understand why models produced by Hornby from the 1980s command such high prices today. Equally since buying up many other European companies - including Lima - why these older less detailed models cost so much is lost on me. Does Hornby really expect us to believe that the cost of producing an ex-Lima Mk3A sleeper truly is £44.99 or an ex-Airfix Mk2D is £49.49! Given that the Accurascale new highly detailed Mk2B is priced at £49.96, Hornby's inflated prices are not justified. I know the Airfix coaches were ahead of their time, but a model from 1976 being priced roughly the same as the latest tooling technology 46 years later? Really! For a more direct comparison, look at the Hornby CDA triple pack: £84.99. Then take a look at the Accurascale CDA triple pack £62.46. This is a fair comparison as both toolings are new and model the same wagon. A signifcant price difference is also found with the MHA triple pack from both companies. Hornby - £72.99, Accurascale - £62.46. Given that Hornby is signifcantly larger than Accurascale, you would think they would be more competitive? In short, Hornby is killing the hobby with these prices. I would like to see more videos of detailing or upgrading older models. It would really bring back the 'modelling' in railway modelling. Keep up the good work.
Blimey! Charlie renovating a 40 yr old loco.... must admit I'm well happy! I can't afford new locos, so I have a good few needing 'serviced', including a few Triang R59s 😊 Well done Charlie. The hobby is expensive enough, so videos of upgrades and fixing old locos are welcome.
Great Video Charlie, I'm with you on the horrendous prices of new models, I'd rather go to ebay and repair / upgrade the model. Looking forward to the dcc conversion.
Looking at the brand new versions of Locos and comparing them to the old - the level of detail is now so fantastic - look at the red lining and separate hold rails on the boiler of the P2 as an example of detail. To buy second hand older versions on eBay really depends on one's acceptance of reality to 'bodged' or almost right and possibly passable in the dark. But for this one must be prepared to pay the price. One is fortunate not to be in the recording industry where a good microphone can be £2 - 3 thousand - and more! Same applies to Cameras and Lenses in Photography!
Charlie, Thank you for another great educational video. It is great to know that it is possible to put new life into old models. I am looking forward to the conversion to DCC video. Cheers again, and stay safe, Michael
Thank-you Charlie for the detail and production quality of this video. I have an older version 125 on display to remind myself of when I maintained the real things at Laira in the early 80s. Compared to the Class 50, never mind the 08, the 125 was cutting edge. To be alongside the Paxman Valenta power unit when at full revs was quite an experience. Great to see the results of your modification. Regards.
Very nice job Charlie. I know where to send my errant locos for a refit now!!! Kidding. I watched a video the other day lamenting the price of a lesser but similar vintage loco (basically Thomas the Tank Engine in other livery) which was the thick end of £60. I had no idea Hornby were trying to kill off the older modellers with heart attack inducing prices for larger locos. Silly money. Cheers
It's nice to know there are so many options available to us. We are living in a golden age of model railroading! All of this reminds me of when I worked on hot rods. Some of us that had the time and ability, could tinker and build our own and save a lot with sweat equity, or of you have limited time but more to spend, can get one all done!
12volt LEDs Charlie! (My HST has White & Red which are available. A bit of shaping around the front and it’ll loook 100% better than the filament.........). Just an observation for dc modellers. Super video. Super job.
I'm about to return to model railway after 12yrs hit and miss with business. But after hearing £300 Mark for a 'oo' loco, I think I'll not both. These prices are killing the hobby. I'll just watch the video's i think.
They are not perfect but I'm a big fan of the old Ringfield motor, I have a lot of locos from this era that use it, I find many of the motors are still good and easy to maintain. In my experience spares are plentify and having the ability to swap them out with these kits makes older ringfield locos an appealling option on a budget. I would love to have an East Midlands HST but I'm sticking with my old Lima Virgin XC HST as I simply can't justify the costs of the new one, its not just the loco price but since it has no coaches you need to add those on top as well. I wish they'd sell the packs that have the power/dummy car and 1-2 coaches as a slightly better value option.
Hornby have put their price up across the board by almost 10% again from what I can see. They did the same a few months ago as well...... I have one of those Early HST 125's as well. I actually kept the Ringfield motor and DCC Converted it. I got a LED Light kit for mine from Blackcat so it has directional lighting The original 3 pole Ringfiield is a bit noisy, but it actually crawls really nicely. I do have a CD Motor kit from Straphpeffer Junction, but I haven't fitted it yet. It seems to run better on DCC than it did on DC. I don't think the model you have is indicative of the bahaviour of that era of HST in general. I found the Chinese made version (which I have) has proper pickups on all wheels and proper isolation between the motor and chasis so was very easy to convert. The British made version does not have the same isolation between motor and chasis and is a lot trickier to convert without doing the whole motor change out.
I did the same light conversion and just serviced the motor. Fitted a ZIMO £20 decoder and the loco runs perfectly, and like yours, creeps also. A budget Lais DCC decoder fitted to the trailing power car completed the lighting set up.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks Charlie. With the price of new models being virtually out of reach for a lot of us, it is great that these old models can be revived
Hi Charlie from sunny Thailand. I am a complete beginner and grey of hair. I purchased some track, some locos, loads of carriages and assumed that would be it! Hmm bad move, I should have watched your posts first. So seeing as how my locos buzz but don't go anywhere I believe I need to replace the motor then convert to DCC, Sending the locos back to the UK is both expensive and very time consuming plus I have already paid duty on the used locos and would undoubtedly pay again on their return which when you total it all up equals the cost of buying a new one. What was the expression you said about buying things that you never use? So I am now a subscriber and watch your videos with great interest. I also love your enthusiasm and sense of humour. Keep it up please!
A very informative video and you gave an excellent conversion process for upgrading / replacing the old Hornby Ringfield motor assembly. The reassembled model looks and runs beautifully, much more responsive. Totally agree with you about modern Hornby, they're going to have to be careful as they are amongst those manufacturers that may price themselves out of business, maybe they need to reassess things and pull back production to the UK from China to save on shipping costs and the like.
Hi Charlie, not sure if this has been mentioned in previous comments, but when soldering try to keep the heat shrink tubing as far away as possible from the joint, or you run the risk of it shrinking on you, and then it won’t go over the joint….How do I know, because I’ve done it…Already done several of these conversions myself, including adding DCC decoders, and LED lights, but you’ve done another great job. Keep up these interesting, and informative videos.
I have 2 of these models and was supprised to hear of the price point I am just in the process of installing directional lights for DC the motor assembly looks good
Stupid price that is for a train, don't know where they get their prices from, these things cost about £25 to make believe it or not, if they keep this up they will end up going bankrupt. hornby are using covid as an excuse to bump up the prices, quite sickening really. anyway charlie brill little video and i did something similar to this to old lima stock years ago, what i used to do is fit 2xringfield motors to various lima diesels this then gives twice the torque and twice the poles (6 pole) they ran beautiful, but i never used oil only lithium grease you can buy a whopping silicone sealant sized tube of this stuff from Jims Hardware in Penzance for 3 quid, its bloody brilliant stuff been using it for at least 20 years, grease tightens up the tolerances of gears etc this makes the motors run hell of a lot quieter, the beauty of old lima models is theres literally a ton of space inside to fit very large speakers too, id also say the yellow colour of the old models is more accurate, brill video as always!
Thank for the information Charlie. I need a new motor for my Hornby class 35 which is about 20 years old. I no what you mean on the prices . I just bought a Oxford j27 which was around 80 pounds and it a very nice model. So if Oxford can do price like this why can't Hornby and Bachmann.
I hate to say it but I truly can't see model railways surviving more than a couple more generations at most at this rate. How is anyone under 30 supposed to get in to the hobby with prices as ridiculous as that? If that was for a full eight-coach set I'd understand it, but breaking the £200 for a pair of power cars is already bad enough, £300 is just ludicrous. Bachmann also having a go with their 'deluxe' Class 47's. I just can't tell the difference between them and the older ones minus the glazing if the light just so happens to hit it right. But enough ranting! What an improvement that new motor was, breathing new life in to a classic model. I can't wait to see it converted to DCC. I hope you take on the extra challenge of giving her working tail lamps, Charlie! Take care. Mike.
I bought this exact Hornsby HST set with a total of 4 coaches - one of which is a buffet car and all with lovely smooth running replacement metal wheels - for £80 boxed and delivered to my door. I then used Steathperrer Junction’s version of this kit and the result is an amazing improvement- my 5 YO son loves his new train! Only problem is the power cars came converted to LEDs and I can get both together lighting white or red when the train is runny get one way or the other - which wires do I need to swap?!
Like you said Charlie why spend £363 on new tech, when one can buy a few bits and bobs to upgrade an older model with a bit of time and effort. So probably for the £63 in parts and the other £300 on buying lots more vintage coaches to make up a prototypical full-length train. Plus buy that Kernow Class 41 Warship out of the change. Well done to Mark for producing this motor upgrade kit and extending the life of an old model. Now if only I could get a cheaper upgrade for a multitude of worn-out body parts for myself than paying for a private surgeon, and still have change to go on a full board holiday, with spending money of a few grand, LOL.
Hi Charlie Re 151 loved awesome, would a motor change in Hornby tender drive have the same effect please ? As I’m on a budget and I several Hornby A4s cheers my friend. An old school DC fan Andy Hoodless, Plymouth
Love your work Charlie! I thought it might be worth chiming in with regard to the direcional difference in top speeds that tends to be quite common with many older ringfield type motors, particularly Hornby and Lima ones. As these motors are made made to fairly a fairly crude design and tolerances, you will often find that the timing of the motor is not particularly finely tuned, and this will cause the motors to run slower in one direction. This can cause be adjusted by way of ever so slightly advancing or retarding the position of the interference fitted collector plate upon iits axis on the armature. I find i need to do this with probably about a thrd of the old Lima locos i buy used.
Hi, Charlie! Thanks for this great and detailed tutorial video. I heritage a set of the older version 125 from the eighties and wanted to follow your video to make it "new". But I realized that the seller doesn't ship to Norway. Have you another suggestion for a new motor from other sellers? I tried to reach out to Mike but haven't had any luck yet.
Good afternoon Charlie... I have just fitted one of the slimline, 9.5MM?, to an A3 Bittern, tender fitted. Also at the same time converted to Dcc. lucky there is space at the back of the tender to fit a protective plate to put the decoder on.. works well, the only thing with the slimline motor is its 6volts.. but obviously just set the CVs to top out the top voltage.. anyway enjoyed the vid.. still not got my shed built but am converting a loco a day :) cheers.. Dave
Converted my R069 1979 HST last weekend, with CD motor, led directional lighting in both power and dummy upgraded to DCC & added TTS Valenta decoder. Runs sweet now and so much more responsive.
Loved your instructional video. Obtained my first HST non DCC ready yesterday to add to my existing nineteen different liveries. Was going to use Strathpeffer Junction replacement motor for the Ringfield until I found your video. Thought your choice of motor was better, so tried to order, but still out of stock.
Great thought provoking video. With the prices of locos what they are perhaps modellers will be buying old non runners and refurbishing rather than buy new? A you tuber called 00 Bill does just that, very interesting, yes, Any new tooling is an improvement to any loco but another of modellers maybe just don't have the budget ! Regards, Terry.
That’s very true Terry. And also if you’re viewing your trains from around about 3 feet it’s hard to tell the difference in the first place. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie just looked a some of your videos on U tube they are very informative. I have a DC locos from the late 1960's and was wondering if I could upgrade to DCC. The locos use a Hornby motor for that period and look nothing like the ones in this video. Can you help thanks
The issues with this are many. Firstly, it appears that to get a motor slim enough to do this correctly, without the motor hitting the inside of the body (9/10mm), you can now only get a 6V one. These 12v motors are 12mm thick and will hit the inside of the body and will reduce the tightness of the curve the loco can now travel around. With the 6v motors, especially with DCC, you are going to have to half the votage, either by programming they DCC chip, or by adding a diode drop-down bridge. But, for all that effort, what do you actually get? You are still running a locomotive with reviled traction tyres, and you are only picking up the voltage from one bogie, and not two. Plus you are getting all that noise from all those cogs on the side of the ringfield body. On a side note, you put the cogs on the wrong way around, as there is a raised lip on the cog that if positioned against the motor will create a gap between the main part of the cog and the metal of the motor. Putting them on the wrong way around will further increase the noise and cause wear. If you were to remove the body of your edition of the 125, you will see two motorless bogies with a central motor with drive shafts, which is infinately superior, allowing for both rail electric pick-up from both bogies, preventing drop out over points, plus you are getting eight wheel drive with no traction tyres rahter than the lob-sided two wheels with tyres you get with this conversion. However, this is a far harder project needing a greater level of modelling skill, plus the expense of doner motor and bogies, costing in the region of £75 from Bachmann spares. But this is still a bargain compared to the absolute silly money Hornby are now demanding across their entire range. It is also something I am considering for the old 1980 APT model, since the new version is an astronomical £550. I have seen a couple of them done on places like RMWeb. The other alternative is to replace the Ringfield with a Tenshodo motor bogie, needing to get a model with the correct wheel span and the abailty to be housed in the wheel frame cradle. The downside of this approach is that you are still driving your train from one bogie and so you will need to add a fair amount of weight to improve traction.
Very interesting comment mate. However, I was clearly offering a cheaper alternative to the 1980s version, attempting to breathe life into our somewhat Old but treasured stock. Regards Charlie
I have a feeling Mark is going to be inundated! Great Video. I'd given up my really old DC stuff but this has given me inspiration to breathe new life into it. Thank you. Another great informative video
never give up! unless it's the Bachmann > Mainline splut chassis locos, they need new chassis, all the hornby stuff is easy to dcc, just cut the wire and solder the chip in place 😉
Hi a very good video, though this arrangement has been going for some time now, I would like to point out that oiling plastic gears is not the best idea! Please don't think I'm being an arse but I've bought many a second hand locomotives where over oiling has caused gears and even wheel spokes to softened the plastic, Many a bachmann split chassis models have passed on to the locomotive graveyard because of oiling,. Oil in my mind is for metal to metal lubricantion,, there is a very cheap grease Special made for plastic gears not only does it lubricant but it makes the gears run smoother and quieter a small pot cost about a quid, post free from China and I recommend you get some........Mark
You don't mention that there are two motors you can order - a 6 volt one and a 12 volt one. The 6-volt one gives better acceleration, but is at more risk of burning out than the 12 volt one! Hornby says they don't recommend this conversion as these motors are subject to overheating. It might be as well to point out the conversion should not be done for locos which are to run continuously for more than an hour, for example at an exhibition. A good video clearly explaining. I have still got this job to do. I ordered the kit ages ago, still haven't got around to it! Thanks for uploading.
Hello Charlie, last week I saw the Hornby 2022 catalogue and was staggered at the prices that you rightly pointed out. How are young people ever going to get into the hobby. They will only be able to afford second hand trains. What you did with that locomotive was fantastic. Congratulations. Cheers Greg
I can see the need for a new tool: "Variable Diameter Wheel Extractor" I recently bought a new extractor tool for removing a keyed part from the drive spindle of a powered lawn mower - and there was a lot to choose from - however this would be somewhat smaller - but the principle will be the same! There are special 'circlip' removing and inserting tools. What solder do you use - leaded - or - lead-free? I understand the lead-free variety tends to give dry-solder joints. Yuk!
Prompted by your video, I went one step further. I have put the latest HST bogies (regauged to EM) and drive motor into an old 1980s chassis and will be adding DCC sound and separate white and red lights. Total cost £150 including buying a 1980s HST as the victim. Much better than £369, and that's without sound...! And that's before I sell on the old bogies and ringfield motor..! Thread on RMWeb under Modifying & Detailing RTR stock Keep up the good work!
hi Charlie, great video. Can you please tell me what type of wire stripper you use and where you bought it. Thanking you in advance for your help. cheers Chris
Hi Charlie, out of interest and accuracy a 'cog' is an individual 'tooth' on the rim of a' gear wheel'. The term was originally used in respect of wooden gears used in milling corn etc, in those gear wheel the cog is an individual replaceable 'component which obviously wear as they are made of wood. As you know the term 'cogging' is an intermittent movement by a motor and refers to it moving one tooth at a time on the driving gear. The small gear wheel you pushed on to the motor is usually referred to as a pinion. However this is a great video again, thanks.
Hello Charlie, I’m more a steam modeller myself, will these motor kits interchange with other ring field types? I’ve a couple of tender drive locos that could do with a motor change.
If you check out Marks TH-cam channel from the “show more” tab, you will find videos where he talks about which Motors are best suited for tender use. Regards Charlie
To run a 6 Volt DC motor to run with a 12 volt DC supply, safely? Use two 10k resistors rated at 1/2 watt each and each resistor is soldered to the positive and the other soldered on the negative side of the motor and the tails of the resistors to the supply 12 volts DC supply from the rail contacts or DCC chip.
thank you i followed this step by step had a few teething problems at end but now running great . i bought the 125 from a show got home did not work . hope your do another like this in the future . cheers
Interesting diversion from your usual topics. I reckon you need a gear puller Charlie, and circlip pliers. 😁 'Now it must be the turn of the cogs.' 🤣 I use Labelle #108 too. Bought a bottle about 14 years ago. Still have enough to last another 100 years or so. Also the #106 grease with PTFE and Micro-Trains 231 (Kadee) Grease-em graphite powder which is great for knuckle couplers. It's much more fun to solder the wires before you put the heat shrink on and then desolder the wires. That's how I do it.
I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting, and especially as you can relate to soldering prior to the heat shrink application! Stay tuned mate, regards Charlie
why are Hornby ripping people off when the models are made in China at a low rate then they charge us a crazy price of love 300 pounds for a model which is only worth 150 pounds at best whats going on with them have they just gotten greedy for a person like me who is disabled and on a low income the prices are just way out of my pocket reach and I must think a lot of other people too.
Hi Charlie i have been following you for a short while and I am worried by the pricing of models these days especially for the younger modeller are the manufacturers going crazy with pricing. This will only steer younger people away from such a great hobby and endanger them selves in to the bargain
Good video those clips are E clips not circlips ( circlips have a hole in each end for a special pilers to go into to either expand or make smaller depending on where they are inside or outside circlips. E clips are also called Jesus clips because when they fly off you go where in the Jesus did that go to in a workshop etc Good to have sound effect when trying to remove wheels but at your age dont blow a pooper valve LOL
Hopefully the new white nylon pinion will be strong enough not to split tooth root to bore as many do...... I have on old Mainline Warships forced a washer over the tips of the teeth to add strength and stop gears splitting. Just saying....
hi charlie, i watched your excellent video on couplings yesterday and i am wondering if you might be able to do one on replacing the old rivet attached couplings please thanks roy from oz
I have produced three videos on couplings Roy.I believe one of them does contain removal of the old D ring couplings and the fitting of a smaller more modern one.Perhaps you should hunt those down, regards Charlie
Another great video, Charlie. It’s a shame it didn’t come a couple of weeks ago. I’ve just added DCC sound to my class 31 with 3-pole Ringfield. I wish I’d known about these replacement motors at the time. The Hornby class 31 IMHO is a horrible piece of engineering so I won’t be opening it up again in a hurry. Keep up the good work. I look forward to the next instalment.
Very nice "how to" Charlie. I've replaced a few old Ringfield motors with CD Drive motors which is what the one you got from Mark looks like. I 3D printed my own mount brackets but it's great that they are available as a kit like this for a reasonable price. I usually fit one of the tiny ESU DCC chips while the loco is in pieces as well. Quite easy for most locos. Cheers!
Thank you Charlie for another enjoyable video it's nice to see an alternative solution that just buying a modern model. Some costs for models are now very expensive and in limited volumes for example the deluxe class 47 from Bachmann.
I couldn’t agree more Simon. Those Bachman 47s are wonderful but it’s a shocking price to pay. And can we really see any difference from 2 or 3 feet away? Regards Charlie
Out of curiosity, does using Mark’s kit actually increase/reduce the weight compared to the stock parts? And if does increase/reduce the weight, is there any pros or cons? Note: I’m not a railway modeller or have trains. I ask because I’m nosey :)
In N gague the cost of stock is going up ... even in kato which used to be awesome for bang for buck . the cost is starting to creep up ... but not as much as farish or dapol
I think that specific design of clip is actually called e-clip and circlip is actually a different design of clip. I call them circlips too though so yeah haha.
The cost of the 'New' and the Updated New HST powcars is beyond a joke. The same can be said for the rest of Hornby's products. And other companies like Bachmann as well.
Yes. They forget that their products are not necessities and are beyond the reach of their target audience, mainly children and pensioners, some of whom are on a limited budget. I'm afraid that they're going to price themselves out of the market. Unfortunately, the cost of second hand items will also follow these price rises eventually.
Open frame motors are actually very tough, if you keep the commutators clean, and don't run them on the carpet, and people add DCC to old Marklin AC locomotives all the time, and they have the old open motors.
Hi Charlie, myself and my wife really enjoyed your video (as always ) I have 2 Hornby flying Scotsman that where bought for me in the mid 60’s along with a GWR tank locomotive and they all still run, in fact I have plans that when I finally get my latest layout built I will be converting these loco’s to DCC - please keep making your videos we love them. Stay safe and well Andy & Karen
Well done Charlie, great minds I have one making it's way through customs as we speak I bought mine from a crowd called Strathpeffer junction fir £15 another £6 to post and customs clobbered me with an additional €7 charge 😬 I look forward to installing mine looks to run great if this works I hope to replace all my Lima ringfield motors and also have 2 more hornby hst's to do. Regards David
Im very surprised by the vast improvement that new motor gives. I suspect traction could be an issue though as its still only got 2 driven axles and pizza cutter wheels.
Many thanks Charlie, what a great video for those of us who still have older locos that we like to run or would like to run on dcc. You may have now opened up a whole new industry! Would it be possible to go back even further? How about the sixties? I have 5 or six old triang emu/dum units that I would love to run on dcc. I have chipped an old R225 emu but it still doesn’t run that well and is still very noisy because of the knurled wheels.
Hello Charlie. Yes Hornby prices are up again. Do a rerun of a old model, give it a repaint and whack the price up. Bachmann prices are also up again. The new 47 delux £380, put 20% 0n this year or next it will be £400 plus. The DRS club edition coaches with lights £95 Your be right to say the prices have gone mad. Great video. Mick
Thank you Charlie. I've got 2x older hornby class 47s that I converted to dcc and stay alives but they never did run right. I always suspected the ringfield motor to be the issue with high voltage and current demands to start it causing issues with the back emf reading on the dcc chip.. I've ordered a kit and will fit to see if it changes any thing. Thanks again for your time in creating these videos
Motor has come and fitted.. new motor spindel seemed to short to fit as you described. Had to cut some metal away but still fitted very well.. as a update regarding the ddc decoder, this now runs soooo much better now... Will be upgrading my other ringfield motors now Once again thanks for the videos
I picked up a 125 and dummy plus one coach for 30.00 it runs well. the trouble is it will not run around my setup i have made so many mistakes which your videos have highlighted. So I am building a new set up in a larger bedroom . It will be DC as many of my locos are from the 1960-70. I also picked up a HST for with 5 coaches and dummy for 40.00 needs some work
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks Charlie the drive motor is in the central coach you have got to assemble in the right order as the coupling dont pair up.
Great video again Charlie. I just looked through your other videos as I remembered you recommended a Brother printer in one of them but I can't find it. I wiring up a new layout which is quite complex (for me!). Can you remind me which one please? Do you still recommend it & does it work with 16.02 & 24.02 wire as the web site for it doesn't say. I'd appreciate guidance. Best wishes, David
Hi David if you go to the show more tab you will find the details listed there. If you’re still stuck contact me again with a fresh comment. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Hi again Charlie, Thanks for getting back to me. I found the printer on the show more tab before I first contacted you as I have used your recommendations several times - terminal blocks & soldering iron etc. Your channel is really helpful to someone returning to the hobby after 30 odd years! What I really wanted to know is whether you can use the Brother on the smallest size cables - 16.02 & 24.02 sizes (2mm & 2.5mm outside dimensions) are they shrink tubes or wrap around? and what cartridge(s) do you buy? I have spoken to Brother (by email) & they would not confirm the 5.8mm sleeves (their smallest) would shrink enough. So I thought, as you use one you would be able to help? Thanks again, David
Hi Charlie. I always enjoy your videos. I had one thought and I hesitate to ask but here goes... did you consider doing the DCC conversion first to see if the back emf and all the motor control would make the old motor run OK?
Hi Tony, I must confess that I hadn’t. However, the noise from the old motor and it’s unpredictable running was enough to convince me that it was time for a change.
Hi Charlie Great video. Hornby pricing has gone mad. I have converted an old Virgin HST with new motor and lights. Planning to try weathering for the first time on the model as well. Thanks for sharing your great knowledge. Thanks Roger👍
Great video Charlie, I've converted a few old Lima / Hornby locos this way and added led lights and dcc decoders, resprayed, which I'm very happy with. The results at a fraction of the cost of a new loco. Still looking for a class 43 set to do though!!! Keep up the good work...Just finished a Lima class 47 in Colas colors which I'm over the moon with..
Hello, I really enjoyed your video. What brand is your centre punch called? I look in the description box but could not find/see the reference link. Many thanks, Seb.
I have seen this video many times and havin got my hands on a Lima 125, I have been trying to find a motor the same as your Hornby, would the same motor fit into a Lima, which was sold back in the late 80s as I would like to put a decoder into it. Thank you for any help or input you can give.
Thank you for responding I have asked on youtude but to date you are the only one that has come back to me which shows to me and others you are a professionnalisme to the Model world, out standing Charlie.
Hi Charlie, great work! I also changed a couple of motors in my Lima Trains. I searched a long time in the Net and finally found a seller in GB. If it is ok for you, I’ll post the link here. Please let me know. Greetings from Germany Axel
Hi Axel, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. I’d rather that you didn’t post the link as if there is an issue, the responsibility then lies with me, on something that I’ve never seen. Regards Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway hi Charlie! That’s the reason why I asked you:-) Is ist possible to send the link in a private way, so you may check first. ? Regards
Superb video Charlie, very interesting 👍. One question, what's the difference between the ring field and new motor? All I can think is that maybe the new one could be a 5 or even 7 pole motor instead of 3,or is there more to it than that?Just be interesting to know.
Just a comment about circlips and E-clips - they are different, although both fit into a grove on a shaft. The circlip sits in the grove all the way around (almost), _encircling_ the shaft, hence the name, whereas with an E-clip only the three lobes sit in the grove. This means, pound for pound, a circlip is much stronger but it usually requires a special tool to remove it and it will only come off along the length of the shaft. An E-clip can be removed with a screwdriver and comes off the shaft sideways.
I'm sorry to say that I have missed lead you on the cost of plastic grease , I checked back on my purchases on eBay and the cost was £4.25 , all the same money well spent and the pot size though not large will still be over half full long after I've gone. 💀👍🚂
@@ChadwickModelRailway I bought from connections*02fs but not showing this item now, haven't found another seller UK focal 60602 the pot showing in listing looks very much like the one I have....£1.32 plus postage hope this helps....Mark
Love the channel and find it inspiring. I recently bought a Lima class 40 used but what seemed like great condition. Unfortunately when it’s on the layout it short circuits the controller, any suggestions
Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm sorry but Mark has now run out of these motor kits due to the mad rush of enthusiastic modellers wishing to replace their ailing Ringfield motors.
Rest assured that he has more in the pipeline and in a week or so, Mark will be able to fulfil your orders.
Regards Charlie
Could you give us his details please ie, eBay shop address etc. Your video was facscinating Charlie, as I’ve a model similar to the remodelled one you used. My is in the same era 30 / 40 years old. Thanks in advance. Frank Hughes
Yep, I was one of those who left it too late! (damn!) Looking forward to re-motoring an old Hornby Coronation Scot, she runs OK but a bit notchy... about 40 years ago, I used to have an HST just like that (and the centre coach had lighting too!), sadly - like so many childhood trainsets, it was sold off by my mum when I left home, er, 30 years ago. Recently scanning a certain auction site, seems there weren't that many around with lighting? I did find a few with the "plunger" pickups like mine had, but not as many as I'd thought.
Charlie, I’m both grateful for the conversion of the treasured old 125 (bought for my son in the early 80’s) and impressed with your skills! I have watched several upgrade videos on TH-cam and found them either incomplete or hard to follow. Your professional (as always) video has changed that and I might even attempt an upgrade of one of my less cherished old locos! I can’t wait for the DCC conversion. A huge thank you 👍
Thanks Steve. Hopefully it will continue to improve with the planned modifications and that you're not in too much of a hurry to have it back.
Regards Charlie
Thanks Charlie, exactly what I needed to update my old stock. Looking forward too the DCC conversion. Keep up the good work, stay safe.
Another fantastic video Charlie. As luck would have it, my dear dad bought me a Hornby class 43 HST in the early 80’s. Having seen your video, I’ve just looked in the loft and dusted off my old DC loco. I’ve got my order in with Mark’s ‘Horns & Whistles’ eBay shop and looking forward to attempting the heart transplant you have just demonstrated…..what could possibly go wrong!. If my loco survives my ham-fisted motor change then I’ll be ready to follow in your footsteps again and attempt the DCC conversion. I’m so chuffed that your video has showed how it’s possible to breathe new life into an old loco and bring fond memories of my old HST to life again. Thank you.
That’s great news William. Keep me posted on your progress.
Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie yet again another excellent stream I eras 6 and 7 are a sideline to me as you know, one day I would like to replace the pancake motors in my old Lima and Hornby locos but lack the confidence.
At last an upgrade to some old Dc stock , being im not Dcc its a relief to see a person ( and i know your a Dcc fanatic ) like yourself taking time to do what you have just done and thats baught life back into our old locos , I have 2 Intercity 125s both from early Hornby and after constant cleaning and running are showing the signs you have just put forward in this video , Now rather than selling them on as used and abused im toying with the upgrade and at a fair price i can keep the old stuff rolling . Another very informative video Charlie ,, Thankyou , keep up the fantastic work .
What a heartwarming comment Kevin. Regards Charlie
Great video Charlie again. I discovered a Hornby InterCity 125 loco (yellow and grey version)in my loft which I thought I could upgrade to dcc. The loco is at least 40 years old, so do you think it could be done. Thanks
Without doubt Steve. If it still works on DC, you can do it. Regards Charlie
Charlie,
Thank you for a great video on the conversion/upgrading of the Hornby Class 43. I also think you have made an extremely valid point regarding the cost of products coming out of the Hornby stable.
I cannot understand why models produced by Hornby from the 1980s command such high prices today. Equally since buying up many other European companies - including Lima - why these older less detailed models cost so much is lost on me. Does Hornby really expect us to believe that the cost of producing an ex-Lima Mk3A sleeper truly is £44.99 or an ex-Airfix Mk2D is £49.49! Given that the Accurascale new highly detailed Mk2B is priced at £49.96, Hornby's inflated prices are not justified. I know the Airfix coaches were ahead of their time, but a model from 1976 being priced roughly the same as the latest tooling technology 46 years later? Really!
For a more direct comparison, look at the Hornby CDA triple pack: £84.99. Then take a look at the Accurascale CDA triple pack £62.46. This is a fair comparison as both toolings are new and model the same wagon. A signifcant price difference is also found with the MHA triple pack from both companies. Hornby - £72.99, Accurascale - £62.46. Given that Hornby is signifcantly larger than Accurascale, you would think they would be more competitive?
In short, Hornby is killing the hobby with these prices.
I would like to see more videos of detailing or upgrading older models. It would really bring back the 'modelling' in railway modelling. Keep up the good work.
What an excellent comment Stuart. Your figures really bring home the facts on Hornby’s business model.
Blimey! Charlie renovating a 40 yr old loco.... must admit I'm well happy! I can't afford new locos, so I have a good few needing 'serviced', including a few Triang R59s 😊
Well done Charlie. The hobby is expensive enough, so videos of upgrades and fixing old locos are welcome.
Thanks Ian, it’s good fun doing it too.
Regards Charlie.
Great Video Charlie, I'm with you on the horrendous prices of new models, I'd rather go to ebay and repair / upgrade the model. Looking forward to the dcc conversion.
Thanks Alan, it’s great to have you on-board mate. Regards Charlie
Looking at the brand new versions of Locos and comparing them to the old - the level of detail is now so fantastic - look at the red lining and separate hold rails on the boiler of the P2 as an example of detail. To buy second hand older versions on eBay really depends on one's acceptance of reality to 'bodged' or almost right and possibly passable in the dark. But for this one must be prepared to pay the price. One is fortunate not to be in the recording industry where a good microphone can be £2 - 3 thousand - and more! Same applies to Cameras and Lenses in Photography!
Charlie,
Thank you for another great educational video.
It is great to know that it is possible to put new life into old models.
I am looking forward to the conversion to DCC video.
Cheers again, and stay safe, Michael
I’m so pleased that you found it interesting Michael and perhaps the next video will come in handy too. Regards Charlie
Disappointed we didn't get the infamous Haynes quote "Refitting is the reverse of the removal procedure" :-)
Gosh, Haynes manuals, now there’s a thing from the past.
Thank-you Charlie for the detail and production quality of this video. I have an older version 125 on display to remind myself of when I maintained the real things at Laira in the early 80s. Compared to the Class 50, never mind the 08, the 125 was cutting edge. To be alongside the Paxman Valenta power unit when at full revs was quite an experience. Great to see the results of your modification. Regards.
What a fascinating comment Chas. Regards Charlie
Very nice job Charlie. I know where to send my errant locos for a refit now!!! Kidding.
I watched a video the other day lamenting the price of a lesser but similar vintage loco (basically Thomas the Tank Engine in other livery) which was the thick end of £60. I had no idea Hornby were trying to kill off the older modellers with heart attack inducing prices for larger locos. Silly money. Cheers
An excellent comment Davie, regards Charlie
It's nice to know there are so many options available to us. We are living in a golden age of model railroading!
All of this reminds me of when I worked on hot rods. Some of us that had the time and ability, could tinker and build our own and save a lot with sweat equity, or of you have limited time but more to spend, can get one all done!
An excelent comment Craig. Time available and ability are of course, a major factors.
Regards Charlie
12volt LEDs Charlie! (My HST has White & Red which are available. A bit of shaping around the front and it’ll loook 100% better than the filament.........). Just an observation for dc modellers. Super video. Super job.
Stay tuned for the next video Bob.
I will sort out those lights!
I'm about to return to model railway after 12yrs hit and miss with business. But after hearing £300 Mark for a 'oo' loco, I think I'll not both. These prices are killing the hobby. I'll just watch the video's i think.
It is a shocking state of affairs Mel. Regards, Charlie
They are not perfect but I'm a big fan of the old Ringfield motor, I have a lot of locos from this era that use it, I find many of the motors are still good and easy to maintain. In my experience spares are plentify and having the ability to swap them out with these kits makes older ringfield locos an appealling option on a budget.
I would love to have an East Midlands HST but I'm sticking with my old Lima Virgin XC HST as I simply can't justify the costs of the new one, its not just the loco price but since it has no coaches you need to add those on top as well. I wish they'd sell the packs that have the power/dummy car and 1-2 coaches as a slightly better value option.
I totally agree Z465. The cost of upgrading an HST set, is enormous. Regards, Charlie
Hornby have put their price up across the board by almost 10% again from what I can see. They did the same a few months ago as well......
I have one of those Early HST 125's as well. I actually kept the Ringfield motor and DCC Converted it. I got a LED Light kit for mine from Blackcat so it has directional lighting
The original 3 pole Ringfiield is a bit noisy, but it actually crawls really nicely. I do have a CD Motor kit from Straphpeffer Junction, but I haven't fitted it yet. It seems to run better on DCC than it did on DC. I don't think the model you have is indicative of the bahaviour of that era of HST in general.
I found the Chinese made version (which I have) has proper pickups on all wheels and proper isolation between the motor and chasis so was very easy to convert. The British made version does not have the same isolation between motor and chasis and is a lot trickier to convert without doing the whole motor change out.
I did the same light conversion and just serviced the motor. Fitted a ZIMO £20 decoder and the loco runs perfectly, and like yours, creeps also. A budget Lais DCC decoder fitted to the trailing power car completed the lighting set up.
Excellent comments gentlemen
I’m so pleased that we are able to improve on these tired old classics. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks Charlie. With the price of new models being virtually out of reach for a lot of us, it is great that these old models can be revived
Hi Charlie from sunny Thailand. I am a complete beginner and grey of hair. I purchased some track, some locos, loads of carriages and assumed that would be it! Hmm bad move, I should have watched your posts first. So seeing as how my locos buzz but don't go anywhere I believe I need to replace the motor then convert to DCC, Sending the locos back to the UK is both expensive and very time consuming plus I have already paid duty on the used locos and would undoubtedly pay again on their return which when you total it all up equals the cost of buying a new one. What was the expression you said about buying things that you never use? So I am now a subscriber and watch your videos with great interest. I also love your enthusiasm and sense of humour. Keep it up please!
Thanks Tim, I’m so pleased that you enjoy the channel.
SABLE, stuff acquired beyond life expectancy, it’s a shocker. Regards, Charlie
A very informative video and you gave an excellent conversion process for upgrading / replacing the old Hornby Ringfield motor assembly. The reassembled model looks and runs beautifully, much more responsive. Totally agree with you about modern Hornby, they're going to have to be careful as they are amongst those manufacturers that may price themselves out of business, maybe they need to reassess things and pull back production to the UK from China to save on shipping costs and the like.
Great comment David. I just feel that Hornby are taking us for granted, that we will carry on buying their products regardless of price.
Hi Charlie, not sure if this has been mentioned in previous comments, but when soldering try to keep the heat shrink tubing as far away as possible from the joint, or you run the risk of it shrinking on you, and then it won’t go over the joint….How do I know, because I’ve done it…Already done several of these conversions myself, including adding DCC decoders, and LED lights, but you’ve done another great job. Keep up these interesting, and informative videos.
Thanks Roly, advice is always welcome.
Regards Charlie
I have 2 of these models and was supprised to hear of the price point I am just in the process of installing directional lights for DC the motor assembly looks good
I’m so pleased that you found interesting Andrew, regards Charlie
Stupid price that is for a train, don't know where they get their prices from, these things cost about £25 to make believe it or not, if they keep this up they will end up going bankrupt. hornby are using covid as an excuse to bump up the prices, quite sickening really. anyway charlie brill little video and i did something similar to this to old lima stock years ago, what i used to do is fit 2xringfield motors to various lima diesels this then gives twice the torque and twice the poles (6 pole) they ran beautiful, but i never used oil only lithium grease you can buy a whopping silicone sealant sized tube of this stuff from Jims Hardware in Penzance for 3 quid, its bloody brilliant stuff been using it for at least 20 years, grease tightens up the tolerances of gears etc this makes the motors run hell of a lot quieter, the beauty of old lima models is theres literally a ton of space inside to fit very large speakers too, id also say the yellow colour of the old models is more accurate, brill video as always!
A great comment buddy and much appreciated. Regards Charlie.
Thank for the information Charlie. I need a new motor for my Hornby class 35 which is about 20 years old. I no what you mean on the prices . I just bought a Oxford j27 which was around 80 pounds and it a very nice model. So if Oxford can do price like this why can't Hornby and Bachmann.
I totally agree Ian, regards Charlie
I hate to say it but I truly can't see model railways surviving more than a couple more generations at most at this rate. How is anyone under 30 supposed to get in to the hobby with prices as ridiculous as that? If that was for a full eight-coach set I'd understand it, but breaking the £200 for a pair of power cars is already bad enough, £300 is just ludicrous. Bachmann also having a go with their 'deluxe' Class 47's. I just can't tell the difference between them and the older ones minus the glazing if the light just so happens to hit it right.
But enough ranting! What an improvement that new motor was, breathing new life in to a classic model. I can't wait to see it converted to DCC. I hope you take on the extra challenge of giving her working tail lamps, Charlie!
Take care. Mike.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Mike. Stay tuned, lights will be included.
I bought this exact Hornsby HST set with a total of 4 coaches - one of which is a buffet car and all with lovely smooth running replacement metal wheels - for £80 boxed and delivered to my door. I then used Steathperrer Junction’s version of this kit and the result is an amazing improvement- my 5 YO son loves his new train!
Only problem is the power cars came converted to LEDs and I can get both together lighting white or red when the train is runny get one way or the other - which wires do I need to swap?!
I think I covered this in video number 152. Regards, Charlie
Like you said Charlie why spend £363 on new tech, when one can buy a few bits and bobs to upgrade an older model with a bit of time and effort. So probably for the £63 in parts and the other £300 on buying lots more vintage coaches to make up a prototypical full-length train. Plus buy that Kernow Class 41 Warship out of the change. Well done to Mark for producing this motor upgrade kit and extending the life of an old model. Now if only I could get a cheaper upgrade for a multitude of worn-out body parts for myself than paying for a private surgeon, and still have change to go on a full board holiday, with spending money of a few grand, LOL.
A great comment John. Yes it only our body parts were available through Peter’s spares! Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie
Re 151 loved awesome, would a motor change in Hornby tender drive have the same effect please ? As I’m on a budget and I several Hornby A4s cheers my friend. An old school DC fan
Andy Hoodless, Plymouth
Hi Andy, if you check out Mark’s TH-cam channel, I believe he goes into tender motor changes. Regards Charlie
Love your work Charlie! I thought it might be worth chiming in with regard to the direcional difference in top speeds that tends to be quite common with many older ringfield type motors, particularly Hornby and Lima ones. As these motors are made made to fairly a fairly crude design and tolerances, you will often find that the timing of the motor is not particularly finely tuned, and this will cause the motors to run slower in one direction. This can cause be adjusted by way of ever so slightly advancing or retarding the position of the interference fitted collector plate upon iits axis on the armature. I find i need to do this with probably about a thrd of the old Lima locos i buy used.
Many thanks for an interesting observation. I might put a motor in the trailer car too. Regards, Charlie
Hi, Charlie! Thanks for this great and detailed tutorial video. I heritage a set of the older version 125 from the eighties and wanted to follow your video to make it "new". But I realized that the seller doesn't ship to Norway. Have you another suggestion for a new motor from other sellers? I tried to reach out to Mike but haven't had any luck yet.
I’m so sorry, but I don’t know of another seller. Good luck if the Hhunt goes on. Regards, Charlie
Good afternoon Charlie... I have just fitted one of the slimline, 9.5MM?, to an A3 Bittern, tender fitted. Also at the same time converted to Dcc. lucky there is space at the back of the tender to fit a protective plate to put the decoder on.. works well, the only thing with the slimline motor is its 6volts.. but obviously just set the CVs to top out the top voltage.. anyway enjoyed the vid.. still not got my shed built but am converting a loco a day :) cheers..
Dave
That’s great news Dave, keep at it mate. Regards Charlie
May have ben worth swapping bulb for LED. Incredibly smooth runner after replacement
I think that they were LEDs, just a slip of the tongue. Regards Charlie
Converted my R069 1979 HST last weekend, with CD motor, led directional lighting in both power and dummy upgraded to DCC & added TTS Valenta decoder. Runs sweet now and so much more responsive.
That’s great news, I’m so pleased it worked out well for you. Regards Charlie
Loved your instructional video. Obtained my first HST non DCC ready yesterday to add to my existing nineteen different liveries. Was going to use Strathpeffer Junction replacement motor for the Ringfield until I found your video. Thought your choice of motor was better, so tried to order, but still out of stock.
He’s obviously had a run of them Kenneth. However, I’m sure that it be worth the wait. Regards Charlie
Great thought provoking video. With the prices of locos what they are perhaps modellers will be buying old non runners and refurbishing rather than buy new? A you tuber called 00 Bill does just that, very interesting, yes, Any new tooling is an improvement to any loco but another of modellers maybe just don't have the budget ! Regards, Terry.
That’s very true Terry.
And also if you’re viewing your trains from around about 3 feet it’s hard to tell the difference in the first place. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie just looked a some of your videos on U tube they are very informative. I have a DC locos from the late 1960's and was wondering if I could upgrade to DCC. The locos use a Hornby motor for that period and look nothing like the ones in this video. Can you help thanks
I’m so sorry Tim, but it sounds like Motors built before my time period. Regards Charlie
The issues with this are many. Firstly, it appears that to get a motor slim enough to do this correctly, without the motor hitting the inside of the body (9/10mm), you can now only get a 6V one. These 12v motors are 12mm thick and will hit the inside of the body and will reduce the tightness of the curve the loco can now travel around. With the 6v motors, especially with DCC, you are going to have to half the votage, either by programming they DCC chip, or by adding a diode drop-down bridge. But, for all that effort, what do you actually get? You are still running a locomotive with reviled traction tyres, and you are only picking up the voltage from one bogie, and not two. Plus you are getting all that noise from all those cogs on the side of the ringfield body. On a side note, you put the cogs on the wrong way around, as there is a raised lip on the cog that if positioned against the motor will create a gap between the main part of the cog and the metal of the motor. Putting them on the wrong way around will further increase the noise and cause wear.
If you were to remove the body of your edition of the 125, you will see two motorless bogies with a central motor with drive shafts, which is infinately superior, allowing for both rail electric pick-up from both bogies, preventing drop out over points, plus you are getting eight wheel drive with no traction tyres rahter than the lob-sided two wheels with tyres you get with this conversion. However, this is a far harder project needing a greater level of modelling skill, plus the expense of doner motor and bogies, costing in the region of £75 from Bachmann spares. But this is still a bargain compared to the absolute silly money Hornby are now demanding across their entire range. It is also something I am considering for the old 1980 APT model, since the new version is an astronomical £550. I have seen a couple of them done on places like RMWeb. The other alternative is to replace the Ringfield with a Tenshodo motor bogie, needing to get a model with the correct wheel span and the abailty to be housed in the wheel frame cradle. The downside of this approach is that you are still driving your train from one bogie and so you will need to add a fair amount of weight to improve traction.
Very interesting comment mate. However, I was clearly offering a cheaper alternative to the 1980s version, attempting to breathe life into our somewhat Old but treasured stock. Regards Charlie
I have a feeling Mark is going to be inundated! Great Video. I'd given up my really old DC stuff but this has given me inspiration to breathe new life into it. Thank you. Another great informative video
Yes he his already sold out. He was very surprised but clearly not us!
never give up! unless it's the Bachmann > Mainline splut chassis locos, they need new chassis, all the hornby stuff is easy to dcc, just cut the wire and solder the chip in place 😉
Hi a very good video, though this arrangement has been going for some time now, I would like to point out that oiling plastic gears is not the best idea!
Please don't think I'm being an arse but I've bought many a second hand locomotives where over oiling has caused gears and even wheel spokes to softened the plastic,
Many a bachmann split chassis models have passed on to the locomotive graveyard because of oiling,. Oil in my mind is for metal to metal lubricantion,, there is a very cheap grease
Special made for plastic gears not only does it lubricant but it makes the gears run smoother and quieter a small pot cost about a quid, post free from China and I recommend you get some........Mark
Thanks Mark, I shall have to look up which grease you mean.However, the oil I used is safe for plastics. Regards Charlie
You don't mention that there are two motors you can order - a 6 volt one and a 12 volt one. The 6-volt one gives better acceleration, but is at more risk of burning out than the 12 volt one! Hornby says they don't recommend this conversion as these motors are subject to overheating. It might be as well to point out the conversion should not be done for locos which are to run continuously for more than an hour, for example at an exhibition. A good video clearly explaining. I have still got this job to do. I ordered the kit ages ago, still haven't got around to it! Thanks for uploading.
I’m not surprised that Hornby take that view, it’s hardly surprising as they have no vested interest in a replacement product. Regards Charlie.
Hello Charlie, last week I saw the Hornby 2022 catalogue and was staggered at the prices that you rightly pointed out. How are young people ever going to get into the hobby. They will only be able to afford second hand trains. What you did with that locomotive was fantastic. Congratulations. Cheers Greg
That’s very kind of you to say so Greg. Regards Charlie
Hornby are going to price themselves out of the Market, I for one Will NOT be paying these Stupid Prices
I couldn’t agree more Keith. Stay safe, regards Charlie
I can see the need for a new tool: "Variable Diameter Wheel Extractor" I recently bought a new extractor tool for removing a keyed part from the drive spindle of a powered lawn mower - and there was a lot to choose from - however this would be somewhat smaller - but the principle will be the same! There are special 'circlip' removing and inserting tools. What solder do you use - leaded - or - lead-free? I understand the lead-free variety tends to give dry-solder joints. Yuk!
Great comment Michael. The solder I use is 60:40 lead. I find that the it’s ideal, regards Charlie
Prompted by your video, I went one step further. I have put the latest HST bogies (regauged to EM) and drive motor into an old 1980s chassis and will be adding DCC sound and separate white and red lights. Total cost £150 including buying a 1980s HST as the victim. Much better than £369, and that's without sound...! And that's before I sell on the old bogies and ringfield motor..! Thread on RMWeb under Modifying & Detailing RTR stock Keep up the good work!
That’s great news Patrick, and I do hope that it all goes well.
Regards Charlie
hi Charlie, great video. Can you please tell me what type of wire stripper you use and where you bought it.
Thanking you in advance for your help.
cheers
Chris
You need to google RS 382-2847.
They are somewhat pricey.
Hi Charlie, out of interest and accuracy a 'cog' is an individual 'tooth' on the rim of a' gear wheel'. The term was originally used in respect of wooden gears used in milling corn etc, in those gear wheel the cog is an individual replaceable 'component which obviously wear as they are made of wood. As you know the term 'cogging' is an intermittent movement by a motor and refers to it moving one tooth at a time on the driving gear. The small gear wheel you pushed on to the motor is usually referred to as a pinion. However this is a great video again, thanks.
Most interesting Terry. Regards Charlie
Hello Charlie, I’m more a steam modeller myself, will these motor kits interchange with other ring field types? I’ve a couple of tender drive locos that could do with a motor change.
If you check out Marks TH-cam channel from the “show more” tab, you will find videos where he talks about which Motors are best suited for tender use. Regards Charlie
To run a 6 Volt DC motor to run with a 12 volt DC supply, safely? Use two 10k resistors rated at 1/2 watt each and each resistor is soldered to the positive and the other soldered on the negative side of the motor and the tails of the resistors to the supply 12 volts DC supply from the rail contacts or DCC chip.
Now that’s a very useful comment Iain, thank you very much indeed. Regards Charlie
thank you i followed this step by step had a few teething problems at end but now running great . i bought the 125 from a show got home did not work . hope your do another like this in the future . cheers
Thanks Steve, I’m so pleased that all turned out well in the end. Regards, charlie.
Hi andrew here have you heard of monty's models (dart castings) ...... are they still trading?
Sorry Andrew, I haven’t heard anything on that front. Regards Charlie
Interesting diversion from your usual topics.
I reckon you need a gear puller Charlie, and circlip pliers. 😁
'Now it must be the turn of the cogs.' 🤣
I use Labelle #108 too. Bought a bottle about 14 years ago. Still have enough to last another 100 years or so. Also the #106 grease with PTFE and Micro-Trains 231 (Kadee) Grease-em graphite powder which is great for knuckle couplers.
It's much more fun to solder the wires before you put the heat shrink on and then desolder the wires. That's how I do it.
I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting, and especially as you can relate to soldering prior to the heat shrink application! Stay tuned mate, regards Charlie
why are Hornby ripping people off when the models are made in China at a low rate then they charge us a crazy price of love 300 pounds for a model which is only worth 150 pounds at best whats going on with them have they just gotten greedy for a person like me who is disabled and on a low income the prices are just way out of my pocket reach and I must think a lot of other people too.
You’re right John, it’s a shocking situation. Regards Charlie
Really enjoyed the video Charlie, good standard helpful information as we expect thx.
You’re too kind Kevin. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie i have been following you for a short while and I am worried by the pricing of models these days especially for the younger modeller are the manufacturers going crazy with pricing. This will only steer younger people away from such a great hobby and endanger them selves in to the bargain
That’s so true Les. And also it may well put up the price of secondhand locos! Regards Charlie
Good video those clips are E clips not circlips ( circlips have a hole in each end for a special pilers to go into to either expand or make smaller depending on where they are inside or outside circlips.
E clips are also called Jesus clips because when they fly off you go where in the Jesus did that go to in a workshop etc
Good to have sound effect when trying to remove wheels but at your age dont blow a pooper valve LOL
Great comment Robert. Thank you, regards
Thanks for the amazing video as always Charlie. I have been thinking about getting some older stock and modifying it, so this video is a great help.
That’s great news, I do hope you find it useful. Regards Charlie
Hopefully the new white nylon pinion will be strong enough not to split tooth root to bore as many do......
I have on old Mainline Warships forced a washer over the tips of the teeth to add strength and stop gears splitting.
Just saying....
An interesting point Nigel, and one to watch out for no doubt.
Regards Charlie
hi charlie, i watched your excellent video on couplings yesterday and i am wondering if you might be able to do one on replacing the old rivet attached couplings please thanks roy from oz
I have produced three videos on couplings Roy.I believe one of them does contain removal of the old D ring couplings and the fitting of a smaller more modern one.Perhaps you should hunt those down, regards Charlie
hello charlie i do enjoy following your videos very imformative can these ringfield motors upgrades fit a class 47 regards dan
I don’t really know Danny, it all depends on what type of motor is in your class 47. Regards Charlie
Maybe a white work surface to improve vision of what's being done/described
Yes interesting point Garth, I didn’t like the green either. Regards Charlie
Another great video, Charlie. It’s a shame it didn’t come a couple of weeks ago. I’ve just added DCC sound to my class 31 with 3-pole Ringfield. I wish I’d known about these replacement motors at the time. The Hornby class 31 IMHO is a horrible piece of engineering so I won’t be opening it up again in a hurry. Keep up the good work. I look forward to the next instalment.
Sorry that it’s a little late David.
I’m still hunting for a decent 31!
Regards Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Maybe the recently announced Hornby 31 will fit the bill
Very nice "how to" Charlie.
I've replaced a few old Ringfield motors with CD Drive motors which is what the one you got from Mark looks like.
I 3D printed my own mount brackets but it's great that they are available as a kit like this for a reasonable price.
I usually fit one of the tiny ESU DCC chips while the loco is in pieces as well. Quite easy for most locos. Cheers!
Thanks Gerry I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it mate.
Thank you Charlie for another enjoyable video it's nice to see an alternative solution that just buying a modern model. Some costs for models are now very expensive and in limited volumes for example the deluxe class 47 from Bachmann.
I couldn’t agree more Simon. Those Bachman 47s are wonderful but it’s a shocking price to pay. And can we really see any difference from 2 or 3 feet away? Regards Charlie
Why don't you solder the wires end to end? Then you don't have to bend one back before putting the heat shrink over the solder joint.
I don’t really know to be perfectly honest, I’ve always done it this way. Regards Charlie
Out of curiosity, does using Mark’s kit actually increase/reduce the weight compared to the stock parts? And if does increase/reduce the weight, is there any pros or cons?
Note: I’m not a railway modeller or have trains. I ask because I’m nosey :)
Good question, I think that it’s marginally lighter.
Hi Charlie, I have a 1963 Blue Pullman loco can you do a motor upgrade to run on a dcc layout?
I’m sure it can be done Ken. However if it’s a poor runner on DC it won’t run well on DCC.
A new motor might be inevitable. Regards Charlie
In N gague the cost of stock is going up ... even in kato which used to be awesome for bang for buck . the cost is starting to creep up ... but not as much as farish or dapol
Vote with your wallet David.
I think that specific design of clip is actually called e-clip and circlip is actually a different design of clip. I call them circlips too though so yeah haha.
We live and learn Dan! Regards Charlie
The cost of the 'New' and the Updated New HST powcars is beyond a joke. The same can be said for the rest of Hornby's products. And other companies like Bachmann as well.
It’s great to have you onside Mike.
Regards Charlie.
Yes. They forget that their products are not necessities and are beyond the reach of their target audience, mainly children and pensioners, some of whom are on a limited budget. I'm afraid that they're going to price themselves out of the market. Unfortunately, the cost of second hand items will also follow these price rises eventually.
Hello where did you buy the decoder for DC to DCC, many thanks I look forward to your reply
It came from DCC TrainAutomation.
Regards Charlie
A good job use to be $30 in Australia in 1972. John Robertson
Happier times Rob. Regards Charlie
Thanks for this video I followed sute and changed my motor wow what a difference
I’m so pleased that you found it useful Andy. Regards Charlie
Open frame motors are actually very tough, if you keep the commutators clean, and don't run them on the carpet, and people add DCC to old Marklin AC locomotives all the time, and they have the old open motors.
Running trains on carpet!
Who would do such a thing?
Hi Charlie, can I assume it was a 5 pole replacement motor I don’t recall you saying
I didn’t say anything Chris.I actually don’t know what’s inside it. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie, myself and my wife really enjoyed your video (as always ) I have 2 Hornby flying Scotsman that where bought for me in the mid 60’s along with a GWR tank locomotive and they all still run, in fact I have plans that when I finally get my latest layout built I will be converting these loco’s to DCC - please keep making your videos we love them.
Stay safe and well
Andy & Karen
Andy and Karen, it’s great to have you onboard, regards Charlie
Well done Charlie, great minds I have one making it's way through customs as we speak I bought mine from a crowd called Strathpeffer junction fir £15 another £6 to post and customs clobbered me with an additional €7 charge 😬 I look forward to installing mine looks to run great if this works I hope to replace all my Lima ringfield motors and also have 2 more hornby hst's to do.
Regards
David
I’m glad you’re going down the same Avenue David. Regards Charlie
Im very surprised by the vast improvement that new motor gives. I suspect traction could be an issue though as its still only got 2 driven axles and pizza cutter wheels.
It’s really just a matter of making the best of a poor design. Regards, Charlie
Many thanks Charlie, what a great video for those of us who still have older locos that we like to run or would like to run on dcc. You may have now opened up a whole new industry! Would it be possible to go back even further? How about the sixties? I have 5 or six old triang emu/dum units that I would love to run on dcc. I have chipped an old R225 emu but it still doesn’t run that well and is still very noisy because of the knurled wheels.
It’s a difficult one really. If it does run well on DC best leave it.
Hi Charlie, well I thoroughly enjoyed that - what a great idea. Looking forward to part 2. Keep up the great work. 😊
Thanks BV, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Hello Charlie. Yes Hornby prices are up again. Do a rerun of a old model, give it a repaint and whack the price up. Bachmann prices are also up again. The new 47 delux £380, put 20% 0n this year or next it will be £400 plus. The DRS club edition coaches with lights £95 Your be right to say the prices have gone mad. Great video. Mick
We have to vote with our wallets Michael. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway You hit it on the head.
Thank you Charlie. I've got 2x older hornby class 47s that I converted to dcc and stay alives but they never did run right. I always suspected the ringfield motor to be the issue with high voltage and current demands to start it causing issues with the back emf reading on the dcc chip.. I've ordered a kit and will fit to see if it changes any thing.
Thanks again for your time in creating these videos
My fingers are crossed for you Stuart. Regards Charlie
Motor has come and fitted.. new motor spindel seemed to short to fit as you described. Had to cut some metal away but still fitted very well.. as a update regarding the ddc decoder, this now runs soooo much better now... Will be upgrading my other ringfield motors now
Once again thanks for the videos
@@stuartfram5184 That's great news.
I picked up a 125 and dummy plus one coach for 30.00 it runs well. the trouble is it will not run around my setup i have made so many mistakes which your videos have highlighted. So I am building a new set up in a larger bedroom . It will be DC as many of my locos are from the 1960-70. I also picked up a HST for with 5 coaches and dummy for 40.00 needs some work
Perhaps a motor unit at each end, John. Regards, Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thanks Charlie the drive motor is in the central coach you have got to assemble in the right order as the coupling dont pair up.
Great video again Charlie. I just looked through your other videos as I remembered you recommended a Brother printer in one of them but I can't find it. I wiring up a new layout which is quite complex (for me!). Can you remind me which one please? Do you still recommend it & does it work with 16.02 & 24.02 wire as the web site for it doesn't say. I'd appreciate guidance. Best wishes, David
Hi David if you go to the show more tab you will find the details listed there.
If you’re still stuck contact me again with a fresh comment. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Hi again Charlie, Thanks for getting back to me. I found the printer on the show more tab before I first contacted you as I have used your recommendations several times - terminal blocks & soldering iron etc. Your channel is really helpful to someone returning to the hobby after 30 odd years! What I really wanted to know is whether you can use the Brother on the smallest size cables - 16.02 & 24.02 sizes (2mm & 2.5mm outside dimensions) are they shrink tubes or wrap around? and what cartridge(s) do you buy? I have spoken to Brother (by email) & they would not confirm the 5.8mm sleeves (their smallest) would shrink enough. So I thought, as you use one you would be able to help? Thanks again, David
Hi Charlie. I always enjoy your videos. I had one thought and I hesitate to ask but here goes... did you consider doing the DCC conversion first to see if the back emf and all the motor control would make the old motor run OK?
I've serviced one of these and fitted a ZIMO £20 decoder. Runs perfectly and even creeps. No need to replace the motor.
Hi Tony, I must confess that I hadn’t. However, the noise from the old motor and it’s unpredictable running was enough to convince me that it was time for a change.
Modelling is getting too expensive for the average person In my opinion
I couldn’t agree more Michael.
Regards Charlie
Why do all motors run better in reverse ? it's a universal problem .
Great question Gavin, it’s beyond me.
Happy New Year 🎉
👍 Job nicely done.
Thanks Rob, and the same to you mate.
Well done, I'm glad I found your channel. I can now possibly get all these old Hornby engines running again.
Good for you JW. Regards Charlie
Hi Charlie Great video. Hornby pricing has gone mad. I have converted an old Virgin HST with new motor and lights. Planning to try weathering for the first time on the model as well. Thanks for sharing your great knowledge. Thanks Roger👍
Thanks Roger, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Great video Charlie, I've converted a few old Lima / Hornby locos this way and added led lights and dcc decoders, resprayed, which I'm very happy with. The results at a fraction of the cost of a new loco. Still looking for a class 43 set to do though!!! Keep up the good work...Just finished a Lima class 47 in Colas colors which I'm over the moon with..
Good for you Anthony. We shouldn’t bow to these hugely expensive additions.
Regards Charlie
Hello, I really enjoyed your video. What brand is your centre punch called? I look in the description box but could not find/see the reference link. Many thanks, Seb.
Hi Seb, it’s a Premier CrMo 2mm.
Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Ok awesome, many thanks! Seb
Great video Charlie
I can’t find link for Mark ?
It’s in the Show More tab.
On a phone, there should be a small down arrow, under the right hand edge of the screen.
I have seen this video many times and havin got my hands on a Lima 125, I have been trying to find a motor the same as your Hornby, would the same motor fit into a Lima, which was sold back in the late 80s as I would like to put a decoder into it. Thank you for any help or input you can give.
I really don’t know if it would fit.
Perhaps contact one of the eBay sellers for some advice. Regards, Charlie
Thank you for responding I have asked on youtude but to date you are the only one that has come back to me which shows to me and others you are a professionnalisme to the Model world, out standing Charlie.
Hi Charlie, great work! I also changed a couple of motors in my Lima Trains. I searched a long time in the Net and finally found a seller in GB. If it is ok for you, I’ll post the link here. Please let me know. Greetings from Germany Axel
Hi Axel, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. I’d rather that you didn’t post the link as if there is an issue, the responsibility then lies with me, on something that I’ve never seen.
Regards Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway hi Charlie! That’s the reason why I asked you:-) Is ist possible to send the link in a private way, so you may check first. ? Regards
Superb video Charlie, very interesting 👍. One question, what's the difference between the ring field and new motor? All I can think is that maybe the new one could be a 5 or even 7 pole motor instead of 3,or is there more to it than that?Just be interesting to know.
I believe that they are brushless induction motors. Regards Charlie
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thankyou Charlie. 👍
Just a comment about circlips and E-clips - they are different, although both fit into a grove on a shaft. The circlip sits in the grove all the way around (almost), _encircling_ the shaft, hence the name, whereas with an E-clip only the three lobes sit in the grove. This means, pound for pound, a circlip is much stronger but it usually requires a special tool to remove it and it will only come off along the length of the shaft. An E-clip can be removed with a screwdriver and comes off the shaft sideways.
Thanks mate, but they both have the ability to ping off into oblivion, never to be seen again!
@@ChadwickModelRailway I can't argue with that. 🙂
I'm sorry to say that I have missed lead you on the cost of plastic grease , I checked back on my purchases on eBay and the cost was £4.25 , all the same money well spent and the pot size though not large will still be over half full long after I've gone. 💀👍🚂
Could you tell me who the seller was please Mark?
@@ChadwickModelRailway I bought from connections*02fs but not showing this item now, haven't found another seller UK focal 60602 the pot showing in listing looks very much like the one I have....£1.32 plus postage hope this helps....Mark
I’ve converted my old Lima class 33 about 6 months ago and it works a treat. Cheers from nz
I have 5 Lima locos and i think they are great :)
It’s clearly a great improvement.
Thanks for the update. Inspired to look at our old Hornby Class 37!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Shani.
Love the channel and find it inspiring. I recently bought a Lima class 40 used but what seemed like great condition. Unfortunately when it’s on the layout it short circuits the controller, any suggestions
Perhaps it’s a motor issue. Maybe if you took it along to a model railway show, someone might have a look at it.
Make sure all the wheels are the correct way round - if one has been replaced the wrong way round there'll be a short circuit.