Well the Tata family can transfer all their steel producing capacity back to India, where, along with China, they can keep using fossil fuels until the cows come home without having to bother with any stupid Net Zero targets. The UK Govt is not interested in UK manufacturing or UK steel jobs, it's not interested in keeping energy costs down for our manufacturers. Our cabinet is stuffed full of investment bankers and their ilk, there is absolutely no-one round the cabinet table with any hands on experience of heavy industry. They are happy to keep bringing in criminals and cheap labour for our service sector, and are only interested in GDP, regardless of the fiction that covers up. Most sickeningly, they have no interest in the the British people.
They don't even understand basic economics, because if you close manufacturing and import things you used to make yourself your GDP goes down and you get further and further into debt.
we ? i only work part time. im not doing it. sounds like a waste of time and for money that you cant actually BUY ANYTHING with except chinese tat.@@Philip-x3d
The Green Taxes imposed are what killed the Teesside steel industry, the extra 9% on top of electricity costs was just too much to an industry that was just profitable. let's see if Labour honour their promises to save the UK Steel Industry ?? By the way folks, with the current situation with Russia and China we NEED to be able to produce weapons in the UK, or are you going to rely on foreign imports ??
Nut-zero has reached the point of diminished returns. The minute incremental advances on reducing CO2 emissions, does not justify the excessive disproportionate costs. Both economically and morally.
They are doing the same thing with agriculture. We are all destined to die cold and hungry. Still at least we can get enough tax together to pay for the hotels for the dinghie mob !!!!!!!
@@bedandbreakfastman11 ........nothing to do with "tories".......all parties are the same...........labour will be bringing in more as they need fresh voters.
Lol. I’ll raise you £14 billion for Hinckley Point C nuclear reactor. And then £33 billion saving Nat West Bank. And then £37 billion on the failed Test and Trace programme. And then £99 billion on HS2.
Reform UK: Raising the personal tax allowance to £20,000. Reducing the tax burden on small businesses and the self-employed. Promoting in-house manufacturing, energy, farming and fisheries. Training our workforce, instead of importing cheap labour. Shrinking the civil service and the government - to enable liberty for our people. Please place a true cross at the ballot box. X
See all other instances where tax has been lowered and more tax revenue is accrued. Less tax, more spending, more spending, more tax. money flows. (at the very least the same amount of tax revenue remains) Small business account for the lions share of employment in this country. "A nation of shopkeepers" Civil service and shrinking government will not only save money but lead to less Nanny state. Axing all DEI jobs (fake ones with inflated pay and worthless degrees) will save even more. There's little room to argue here. It's all about trade offs not solutions after all. @@bedandbreakfastman11
Is that Reform UK Party Limited, led by the charismatic, inspirational Richard “unelected leader” Tice - the “political” party with zero MEPs, zero MPs, less than 4% polling in recent by elections and 11 / 18,725 local councillors ??? And yes, I said unelected.
Originally this plant was due ro close years ago but there was uch an outcry against the government so they sold it to Tata for peanuts ( for Tata to make a short term profit knowing it had no future and the government would bail them). Government is exonerated, Tata goes back to India, plant closes, mass redundancies and taxpayers pay for it.
@@nntflow7058Remember that horrible low tax economy that Labour said would happen if we left the EU? Well Netherlands runs zVery low tax system! Funny that didn't think it was legal under EU rules,but then Luxemburg have been such for years!!!!
Yes, but that would mean its survival. We’re being lined up for failure, and that’s an understatement. Mass immigration from hellholes whilst at the same time closing our country’s industries down ‘to save the planet’. It’s being done on purpose. Hellish times ahead.
“Back”? When were we last “self sufficient” in anything? The point of the Empire was that we didn’t need to be, and that lasted +200 years and only ended 75 years ago. And self sufficiency in eg food is a rarity in Europe - only France achieves that - and it is twice the size of the U.K., with three times as much cultivable land, for the same population. If you dream of a fictional past that didn’t exist and will never come “back” you will always be disappointed.
Is that Reform UK Party Limited, led by the charismatic, inspirational Richard “unelected leader” Tice - the “political” party with zero MEPs, zero MPs, less than 4% polling in recent by elections and 11 / 18,725 local councillors ??? And yes, I said unelected.
Ffs they were the clowns who were pointing to the EU for these walkouts and saying brexit was going to end all this .. Cluless morons no better than the main party's but they can shout and complain from the sidelines so it's easy to sound good
You do know uk is only alive due to foreign investment. Guess others will follow tata and keep them jobs to build in thier own country than giveing it to racist in britain .
Is that Reform UK Party Limited, led by the charismatic, inspirational Richard “unelected leader” Tice - the “political” party with zero MEPs, zero MPs, less than 4% polling in recent by elections and 11 / 18,725 local councillors ??? And yes, I said unelected.
And the biggest culprit for that was the New Labour Government 1997-2010 under their "Britain Open for Business" in which they saw the wholesale sell off of UK companies to overseas ones who would never countenance a UK company taking over a similar sized or strategic company in their home market. France being the biggest offender. New Labour could have blocked the takeovers for lack of reciprocity but they didn't.
What assets? A couple of obsolete blast furnaces and a plant that has to import all its consumables and can't compete in a world with a very large excess steel capacity. The Thyssen plant in Germany has a blast furnace with a 36 ft diameter. Port Talbot is on a hiding to nothing. As for "production transferred overseas," Are you suggesting that TATA transferred its production to China, main source of the over-capacity.
Theres 1000s of steel companies in the uk. I work at one of them in the midlands and the only way we survive is if we have a fast turn around when we place our orders. Not going to happen when they keep shutting our plants down.
Is that Reform UK Party Limited, led by the charismatic, inspirational Richard “unelected leader” Tice - the “political” party with zero MEPs, zero MPs, less than 4% polling in recent by elections and 11 / 18,725 local councillors ??? And yes, I said unelected.
@@daviddavies2945 his wife IS Indian, she was born in India, Sunak was born here in UK and as for business contacts, fuck me you made me laugh, check out Infosys, Sunaks wife is the daughter of the owner of Infosys!
We should have as much energy as our strategic industrial requirements deserve. If the government licence drilling and should be fracking, as part of getting a licence the government should recieve what energy we need for free. We are no longer in the EU so we can subsidise Steel or any other industry we need so that we can compete. National security comes first and that includes specific industries and that will also ensure massive investment and jobs
Every time you drill/frack for oil and gas and take out oil or coal, you diminish the strategic safe under local ground supplies for when we may actually be on our own and need them. As all theses things are finite, it is actually more sensible to use up other people's nation's first!
British steel is lost to this stupid green agenda. So where is the job creations now? Yet we will buy steel from India who will still use blast furnaces rather than electric arc furnaces.
british steel is a fiction.....its owners tata are indian and have only kept making steel in the UK for years due to getting millions in handouts from govt otherwise they wouldve left long ago.
INDIA WILL SOON OVERTAKE US WE WILL SOON BE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY WE NEED STEEL OR ITS ALL OUT WAR FOR BRITAIN SORRY great britain LOL GOD FORBID US IF WE ARE EVER AT WAR AGIAN TO SAVE THIS BLESSED PLOT WE CALL england LOL
Nothing to do with green agenda. Tata operations fully maintained in the EU. No climate change there... ? Brexit = no more external invest. You will get used to it.
We have to go back to the 60s/70s/80s We had strike after strike after strike . Stoppages . In car plants .ship yards . Coal mines . We had many different industries . All producing all maner of things . And here we are again. Seeing another great British industrial empire. Being farmed out to the cheapest offer. But not always for the better.. Just what is happening to all our workers????? More people not working....
all those strikers would have never protested if they were given a stake in their industries. Having an Ownership/ Worker model would eventually fail in every industry
I remember when Labour were in power during the mass strikes infamously known as the "Winter of Discontent" when the unions had taken over the Labour Government and the then Labour leader James Callaghan said that "if I was a young man i would leave the UK", lol.
Now explain why Port Talbot is the only one in Europe slated for closure? Not sure? Why has none of the media asked? Ask Carwyn Jones, First minister for Wales, he will put you in the picture
No steel. No ships nothing. Mind back in the day Britains steel was the best in the world. Now we couldn’t even make a nut and bolt. Imported from everywhere 🙈🙈
The Patent Shaft Steel Works {Wednesbury West Midlands} had Electric furnaces back in the 1980.s and Port Talbot still using old methods today, where has all the grant money gone to , it was British steel that closed the Shaft, and closed a good many others. Forty plus years of no investment, just asset stripping, all gone back to India.
No, "green" energy is not cheaper than normal energy. People forget to incalculate the prize of backup plants, that has to be on the ready 24/7, and that costs.. But, aside from that, with all the warbells tolling, the west has to have some capacity to make steel, you can´t make a good war without it. Lots of new stuff has come around, but steel is still a core component in many things. And, as a sidenote, the blastfurnace was inventet in Britain.
"Green" energy cannot replace a single conventional power plant so we pay the capital cost twice. The idea that blast furnaces are going to be powered by windmills or solar power is comical.
Grid scale Battery back up is being put in all over the place. It makes a lot of money as it is so much better as back up than firing up coal plants. The blast furnace issue is as I understand it a real problem as it needs the dirty coal in the process. Yes a minimal plant or two should be retained for strategic reasons. Even if it needs subsidy. However the strategic alternative is to stockpile that type of steel. Actually better in many ways as steel plants can be blown up as easy big fat missile targets.
No, it does not use coal in the process, but coke. And batteries that size is emensly expensive, there goes a lot of power into running a plant. @@nicholaspostlethwaite9554
Closing down our fishing, steel, energy, oil, coal industries for net zero reasons then pay a company in a country who commits more pollution a day than us a year to make stuff for us, all so it looks like we are net zero on paper basically
Steel making in Britain needs to be re-nationalised and our needs met from within. WHY? - because otherwise we are at the mercy of others, who at the nod of a head can stop our supplies, which is madness.
Spot on !!!, The UK NEEDS to apply 100% taxes to imported steel, we NEED to protect what we have and expand bit by bit and never be at the mercy of the EU again, the EU allowed import of Chinese steel at dumping price, that necked most of the UK Steel industry but when the Chinese wanted to dump their Steel in Germany, the EU stopped it at once !
@@AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jq Competitive steel making needs low energy costs, with the net zero morons bankrupting Britain and killing our industrial base. I would suggest some SNR's be built pronto to prove their worth and lower energy prices. Plus all government contracts should require British materials are used and yes if there's steel dumping, the steel should heavily taxed.
Project Fear said predicted our Steelworks would shut. First it was Redcar and now Port Talbot. It’s a shame this happened, but we’ve taken back control
What else did you expect? Between austerity measures, Brexit, and Liz Truss's idiotic mini-budget, the UK economy has reached the point where it is simply not a viable place for international corporations to invest.
You cannot make raw iron ( the basis of steel ) without coke, limestone and iron ore.... all electric arc furnaces can do is melt scrap steel.... So UK can melt existing steel but not make any more.
It's no longer impolite to state that the government has simply reached educational, training and experience limitations. An arc furnace is just re-melting. It will not produce the high grade steel needed for modern buildings, above 10 stories high. Truly intellectual limitations. 😢
Is that Reform UK Party Limited, led by the charismatic, inspirational Richard “unelected leader” Tice - the “political” party with zero MEPs, zero MPs, less than 4% polling in recent by elections and 11 / 18,725 local councillors ??? And yes, I said unelected.
If this doesn't finally wake up the people of Wales for them to see that Labour is no longer serving them as this announcement for port talbot clearly demonstrates then just imagine what else Labour will do to Wales. Time to think for political change as the 2 party system no longer serves nor is representing the people of uk.
@celtspeaksgoth7251 Tell me what Labour have done and is doing to grow the Welsh economy and tell me what they have or are doing to protect those 3000 jobs in Port Talbot. Heres a couple of things to reflect on. *Welsh Government own Cardiff Airport which is dieing on its feet if not already dead...meanwhile Bristol Airport thriving... why aren't they pulling all the stops out to make Cardiff Airport a success? *M4 into Wales is an absolute nightmare....what companies would consider investing in Wales when getting here by either road or air is not a viable option.oh and lets not overlook the ridiculous blanket 20mph introduction...so now the whole of Wales crawls at same pace as traffic on M4 coming over either seven bridges. *Labour have well n truly nailed their colours to the Net Zero mast...and couldn't care less how many jobs are lost as a result whilst not saying a word as to where and when their fanciful net zero green jobs will appear....not to mention the idious cost of energy being imposed on business and households..its just lunacy. *oh and lets not forget what that nutter Drakeford imposed on the people and businesses of Wales during Covid..more illogical nonsense...beyond any common sense. *Wasting taxpayer cash at an alarming rate and then whining that westminster isn't giving them more money to waste. I could go on and on....but there are just a few nuggets to reflect on.
Make no mistake, once it's closed, its not coming back. It doesn't matter what they say about new technology in three years time etc. that will be it, no steel industry in Britain. Let's hope there's not a war as trying to mass produce anything while being reliant on steel from other countries will be a big mistake.
@@matthewcook9404 no, you really haven’t been following the history of steel making, Europe has been trying to shut down this place since Corus days, by shipping everything off to the Netherlands and now Germany has shut down Aberthaw power station, when you need FOUR to run electric arc furnaces to go at the same capacity of 3 million tons of steel per annum.
@@matthewcook9404 this place was making a profit for Tata, it always has, but the politicians the globalists of Brussels and Westminster are one big club that has screwed over industry yet again. First the mines, now this.
Of course with us being at the start of WW3 there is no possibility that we may need a bit of steel as it progresses and we may have to actually manufacture something !
Net Zero is NOT important. Decarbonizing makes no sense because carbon is one of the most common elements in the universe and all life is built on carbon. AND, renewables are expensive sources of energies.
Net zero is about reducing the emitting of carbon dioxide and methane mainly. You really think net zero is about reducing the element carbon? Are you really that ignorant?
@@PorthLlwyd One of the many useful aspects of the Western scientific tradition is the insistence on correct definitions and taxonomy. I know full well what the pointless intent is and there are several aspects to all this that indicate that none of the Climate Change hysteria is based on science. In this case the words 'De-carbonisation' is used and in addition we are all exhorted to 'save' Earth's climate. There is no single Earth climate, just as there is no single Earth temperature. An average global temperature might be interesting but it depends on the intellect and independence of the scientist trying to unpick what is going on. Running climate models to see where Earth's average temperature will be in 30 years time is not science. China has over 1080 coal fired power stations with more on the way. The Earth is over 10% greener than it was which means more vegetation. CO2 is used in farming to get greater yield in crops because CO2 is plant food. "It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true" Paul Watson [Greenpeace Founder] "We routinely wrote scare stories...Our press reports were more or less true...We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment" Jim Sibbison [Environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency] "I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis" Al Gore "We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy...Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization...One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore" Ottmar Edenhoffer [High level UN-IPCC official] "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill....All these dangers are caused by human intervention....and thus the 'real enemy, then, is humanity itself....believe humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is 'a real one or….one invented for the purpose." Club of Rome "The data don't matter. We're not basing our recommendations [for reductions in carbon dioxide emissions] upon the data. We're basing them upon the climate models." Chris Folland [UK Meteorological Office]
@@PorthLlwyd One of the many useful aspects of the Western scientific tradition is the insistence on correct definitions and taxonomy. I know full well what the pointless intent of Net-Zero is and there are several aspects to all this that indicate that none of the Climate Change hysteria is based on science. In this case the words 'De-carbonisation' is used and in addition we are all exhorted to 'save' Earth's climate. In addition there is no single Earth climate, just as there is no single Earth temperature. An average global temperature might be interesting but it depends on the intellect and independence of the scientist trying to unpick what is going on. Running climate models to see where Earth's average temperature will be in 30 years time is not science. China has over 1080 coal fired power stations with more on the way. The Earth is over 10% greener than it was which means more vegetation. CO2 is used in farming to get greater yield in crops because CO2 is plant food, it is not a control knob for Earth's average temperature. Here is one small example of the lunacy of all this and how deliberately lazy labelling can lead to stupid outcomes. Ms. Neumeister was one of 39 elementary school teachers from across the city who participated in a four-day training session in the summer called “Integrating Climate Education in N.Y.C. Public Schools.” Its goal was to make the teachers familiar with the topic, so they can work climate change into their lesson plans and consider this 'lesson'. “Third graders at Public School 103 in the north Bronx sat on a rug last month while their teacher, Kristy Neumeister, led a book discussion. The book, “Rain School,” is about children who live in a rural region of Chad, a country in central Africa. Every year, their school must be rebuilt because storms wash it away. “And what’s causing all these rains and storms and floods?” asked Ms. Neumeister. “Carbon,” said Aiden, a serious-looking 8-year-old.”
Did you vote for Brexit? If you did then you voted for EU tariffs which make exporting steel more difficult and expensive now the EU has green tariffs for 3rd countries. That's why Tata are closing it down. If you don't believe me do some research of your own. I wonder what it feels like to vote your town's livelihood down the drain? Perhaps you didn't vote for Brexit but Wales did. The same as for England, which has seen the closure of Honda in Swindon. You reap what you sow (or vote for)
It's pure greenwashing. Just exporting our carbon emissions abroad. Even if it was produced more environmentally friendly abroad, which is doubtful, it still has co2 milage on it since we'll have to import it. And you can guarantee the government won't factor that into the net zero equations
this country has been deindustrialising for nearly 40 years under both Tories and Labour. The Net zero stupidity is about deindustrialisation, the loss of jobs and the introduction of poverty. We need change, but with the current level of voter stupidity we will loose one bunch of incompetent politicians and replace them with another of equal or worse incompetence.
More net zero madness resulting in 3000 job losses. Hope the net zero zealots will put their hands in their pockets and pay these worker's bills. Nobody's lying in the road at Port Talbot. Can't understand why government are paying £500 million to lose 3000 job's.
This country is slipping away or should I say has slipped away. We were once a thriving country with proud hard working men producing tremendous things. But it all started with that Maggie thatcher closing our mines and ship builders swan hunter and the like. We are going to have nothing left in this country in years to come or what have we got left now compared to back then. God help our children of today and their children. Get this government out and get an election so we can decide who runs this country and hopefully stop this decline and save us from poverty.
Everyone here seems to either be too dumb or pretend they don't know why this is happening and will CONTINUE to happen. Brexit, two years ago the government expired all protections on UK steel and well the UK cant compete, on anything world wide. Farming, Fishing and now Steel have all but disappeared thanks to Brexit. Thanks Farage.
The ability to produce high grade steel is of National strategic importance. The UK is being emasculated and shamed. We must be able to make our own steel from the very beginning and not from bits of scrap! I despair at the way politicians of every political party have betrayed us.
According to experts, it's mainly because of export tariffs to Europe now we've left the EU. The EU has green tariffs for 3rd countries. Of cause, TATA don't want to deal with this uncertainty of this in the UK. Of cause, Farage promised that leaving the EU would help steel - just like fishing and immigration. Food prices would go down as well he said. Well everything has gone south. Good ol' Nigel has got nothing right about Brexit so far except one thing "Brexit has failed", that he said on Newsnight. Well he's spoke the truth at last.
Not strategic, utter madness. We are loosing all of our industry. Not just going green. It is workers wanting higher and higher wages, which only pushes up the cost of living. A vicious circle.
Nigel Farage in 2016 "If we vote to remain, it is the end of the steel industry in this country. We must leave the EU". It's comical to see that there are so many stupid people still swallowing his lies.
It's bloody suicide! If the industry simply moves abroad then who's losing out and who's benefitting! ? WTF is going on in politics today here in the UK? This is really stupid - I was once 'proud' to be British...
The government of the day should have supported and carried on subsidising the steel industry, when it started to go into trouble, instead of letting the foreign countries take companies over and then giving them huge subsidies. It is just like Cadburys, they sold it off to Craft with conditions and typically Craft went back on their word and lots of people lost their jobs. I know it wasn't on the same scale as the steel crisis, but the government as usual has and is letting the UK and its workers down!
The redundancies they look for first are voluntary and these workers could get "big redundancy pay packages". I remember years ago when they wanted 1,000 redundancies at Doncaster Council and they got over well over 1,000 people who applied for voluntary redundancy.
@@_dude.. nope because I’m not directly involved , apparently the company had no resource in UK to use I don’t think it’s specifically India but definitely an Asian company 🤨
We all know we are in this situation because the EU never took action on cheap Chinese steel dumping. Then after Brexit the expectation was that the UK will be able to stop China and revive the industry but it didn't! Tata clearly didn't want to have to axe any jobs. It is not their general policy to have people lose their jobs. Tata is run by a large moral compass with over 66% of their group shares being given to their charitable organisations and is considered the most trustworthy/reliable employer by many.
Blaming it on Net zero is nonsense. The reason this is happening is because the UK has no integrated industrial strategy. Westminster yet again is prioritising jobs in the SE.
All humans breathing away for 365.25 days per year makes an annual CO2 output of 2.94 billion tons. Every tonne of steel produced led to the emission of 1.89 tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere. UK's steel production of 7.2 million metric tons generates 15 million tons CO2 output annually. Meaning carbon produced by UK's steel industry is 0.51% of human's annual carbon production.
More to come as net zero gets pushed. Close the mines. Buy coal and ship it. Dont store gas. Ship it and pay for storage. Close factory's and import from abroad. Somebody has been working hard for years to leave the uk empty.
Net zero is a major problem, not helped by the fact that we've created barriers to trade with our nearest and largest market and uncertainty for investors. There is no "strategy for industry" - or indeed anything else.
3,000 direct jobs at Tata, then the supply chain, associated support jobs (catering). The real figure is much higher! Then there is the matter of strategic security. Plus quality control. They can make a blinkered financial case, however the long term consequences would be dire, loss of essential commodities, loss of skilled workers, loss of innovation for greener/more efficient solutions.
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Further proof Westminster has little interest in the best interests of the UK.
westminster only has interest in its own well being
i did type westmonster but ...yeh, yeh
wefminster
I thought it was all the EUs fault 😂😂😂😂
MOVING PRODUCTION TO CHINA, DOES NOT DECARBONISE.
(Even if you think CO2 is a problem.)
Why can these idiots not see that??
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Well the Tata family can transfer all their steel producing capacity back to India, where, along with China, they can keep using fossil fuels until the cows come home without having to bother with any stupid Net Zero targets. The UK Govt is not interested in UK manufacturing or UK steel jobs, it's not interested in keeping energy costs down for our manufacturers. Our cabinet is stuffed full of investment bankers and their ilk, there is absolutely no-one round the cabinet table with any hands on experience of heavy industry. They are happy to keep bringing in criminals and cheap labour for our service sector, and are only interested in GDP, regardless of the fiction that covers up. Most sickeningly, they have no interest in the the British people.
Every single word nails it. Spot on.
👍👏👏
And you have probably done nothing to change it but I hope I am wrong
They don't even understand basic economics, because if you close manufacturing and import things you used to make yourself your GDP goes down and you get further and further into debt.
@@charlierob4377what can he do exactly as one person with no political power Charlie? Please enlighten us.
We have been sold out by the government's for years, and we keep voting for the same 2 parties every time.
Correct! Vote Reform👍
@@barriewilliams4526 I think that's the way to go.
Voting will get you nowhere ,the system is broke.
Tata steel is a private company and if they don't see any benefit to stay in the UK they will go and move somewhere else that's business
They vote themselves in.
I didn't vote for net zero...i did vote though for the UK to become an independent nation again...🏴🏴🏴
Nor me. I want coal, oil & petrol
independent of ownership. Keep paying your rent.
@@rockerjim8045 Hahahahahaha fact
Exactly.
You voted to destroy the British economy as a result of your own ignorance and cretinism, disgraceful
I would imagine 10k job losses . Economic suicide , well done 😡
Yea, Indirect and Direct defiantly around that figure!
Remove all "Net Zero" taxes and subsidies to the polluting "green energy" businesses and see what the true cost of energy should be.
cambodias year zero
Lets just go back to living in caves. We could save ourselves a fortune.
thats why we need to start Fracking.
we ? i only work part time. im not doing it. sounds like a waste of time and for money that you cant actually BUY ANYTHING with except chinese tat.@@Philip-x3d
The Green Taxes imposed are what killed the Teesside steel industry, the extra 9% on top of electricity costs was just too much to an industry that was just profitable. let's see if Labour honour their promises to save the UK Steel Industry ?? By the way folks, with the current situation with Russia and China we NEED to be able to produce weapons in the UK, or are you going to rely on foreign imports ??
Nut-zero has reached the point of diminished returns. The minute incremental advances on reducing CO2 emissions, does not justify the excessive disproportionate costs. Both economically and morally.
Nut-zero....like that! 😅 And yes, you are 100% correct
Never has done…..
CO2 is not a pollutant.
Nice one nut, they import coal and ore so by your comment your ani Brit
fuck the co2 we will have nuclear fall out if we dont have steel to protect us against the enemy
They are doing the same thing with agriculture. We are all destined to die cold and hungry. Still at least we can get enough tax together to pay for the hotels for the dinghie mob !!!!!!!
@@bedandbreakfastman11take your blinkers off
@@bedandbreakfastman11 You really are a silly boy are you not.
As an 'influencer' you really are an utter failure.
@@bedandbreakfastman11 ........nothing to do with "tories".......all parties are the same...........labour will be bringing in more as they need fresh voters.
Lol. I’ll raise you £14 billion for Hinckley Point C nuclear reactor.
And then £33 billion saving Nat West Bank.
And then £37 billion on the failed Test and Trace programme.
And then £99 billion on HS2.
@@geoffdundee
In the immortal words of Boris “The Liar” Johnson …. “Them’s the breaks”. 😂😂
Reform UK:
Raising the personal tax allowance to £20,000.
Reducing the tax burden on small businesses and the self-employed.
Promoting in-house manufacturing, energy, farming and fisheries.
Training our workforce, instead of importing cheap labour.
Shrinking the civil service and the government - to enable liberty for our people.
Please place a true cross at the ballot box. X
See all other instances where tax has been lowered and more tax revenue is accrued. Less tax, more spending, more spending, more tax. money flows. (at the very least the same amount of tax revenue remains)
Small business account for the lions share of employment in this country. "A nation of shopkeepers"
Civil service and shrinking government will not only save money but lead to less Nanny state.
Axing all DEI jobs (fake ones with inflated pay and worthless degrees) will save even more.
There's little room to argue here. It's all about trade offs not solutions after all.
@@bedandbreakfastman11
@@bedandbreakfastman11. . . Admittedly, It'll be tough, but it'll be wonderful to watch.
Firm up The border.
They have my vote. Just add a ban on immigration from anywhere but CANZUKUS and a programme of mass deportation 👍
Is that Reform UK Party Limited, led by the charismatic, inspirational Richard “unelected leader” Tice - the “political” party with zero MEPs, zero MPs, less than 4% polling in recent by elections and 11 / 18,725 local councillors ??? And yes, I said unelected.
Originally this plant was due ro close years ago but there was uch an outcry against the government so they sold it to Tata for peanuts ( for Tata to make a short term profit knowing it had no future and the government would bail them). Government is exonerated, Tata goes back to India, plant closes, mass redundancies and taxpayers pay for it.
That's how they make millions
@@noelfleming3567 Yep!
TATA MOVED TO THE NETHERLANDS. Not India.
They ramped up production there because they don't have access to EU single market from the UK.
@@nntflow7058Remember that horrible low tax economy that Labour said would happen if we left the EU? Well Netherlands runs zVery low tax system! Funny that didn't think it was legal under EU rules,but then Luxemburg have been such for years!!!!
@@Michael-sq5gn 😂 😂 You think 30%-40% tax rate in the Netherlands is low?
Are you delusional?
Very sad day for the UK 🇬🇧 Not just Wales 🏴....😢😢😢
THE UK HAS GONE DOWN THE PAN
The Labour Party have gone all "Green" and "woke".
@@dragonfly6908Is there a Labour government?
This country should be trying to get back to being self sufficient and stop being held to ransom by other countries !!
Imagine going through life being this ignorant. Sad
The uk has never been self-sufficient, it just stole from other countries around the world
Yes, but that would mean its survival. We’re being lined up for failure, and that’s an understatement. Mass immigration from hellholes whilst at the same time closing our country’s industries down ‘to save the planet’. It’s being done on purpose. Hellish times ahead.
“Back”? When were we last “self sufficient” in anything? The point of the Empire was that we didn’t need to be, and that lasted +200 years and only ended 75 years ago. And self sufficiency in eg food is a rarity in Europe - only France achieves that - and it is twice the size of the U.K., with three times as much cultivable land, for the same population. If you dream of a fictional past that didn’t exist and will never come “back” you will always be disappointed.
That worked really well in WW2. 😂
We need to stop voting for the main parties! We need reform, vote Reform👍
Is that Reform UK Party Limited, led by the charismatic, inspirational Richard “unelected leader” Tice - the “political” party with zero MEPs, zero MPs, less than 4% polling in recent by elections and 11 / 18,725 local councillors ??? And yes, I said unelected.
Ffs they were the clowns who were pointing to the EU for these walkouts and saying brexit was going to end all this ..
Cluless morons no better than the main party's but they can shout and complain from the sidelines so it's easy to sound good
WE NEED A REVOLUTION NOW IN THIS COUNTRY AND FAST THERES FREE SPEECH FOR YOU
You do know uk is only alive due to foreign investment. Guess others will follow tata and keep them jobs to build in thier own country than giveing it to racist in britain .
I'm sick and tired of hearing the phrase 'decarbonisation'
As a carbon based lifeform I feel personally threatened.
We, the people are the ultimate target of "decarbonisation" .
You could always move abroad, like Farage promised to do. But didn’t. 😂😂
NO WHAT WE NEED IS INDUSTIALISATION AND NOW AND FAST BEFORE ITS TOO LATE 1939 IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER AGAIN
@@poppyjons56874 For industrialisation, you need only one thing : invest. To stop any invest, you need only one thing : Brexit.
This is why any Labour old school non-woke working class should also vote Reform. They surely exist and as a demographic?
A fuck globalism party is needed
Is that Reform UK Party Limited, led by the charismatic, inspirational Richard “unelected leader” Tice - the “political” party with zero MEPs, zero MPs, less than 4% polling in recent by elections and 11 / 18,725 local councillors ??? And yes, I said unelected.
Really 😂 I'm surprised nigel isn't blaming the EU ... oh wait he can't 😅😅😅
Im old school labour and i voted for brexit and Boris, i will never vote Labour or Tory again.
Voting reform next time.
It’s all planned
This is what happens when businesses are sold to foreign countries. Asset stripped, then transfer production overseas.
And the biggest culprit for that was the New Labour Government 1997-2010 under their "Britain Open for Business" in which they saw the wholesale sell off of UK companies to overseas ones who would never countenance a UK company taking over a similar sized or strategic company in their home market. France being the biggest offender. New Labour could have blocked the takeovers for lack of reciprocity but they didn't.
It is the UK govt forcing Net Zero standards on Tata, no the other way around. The only people to blame are your own.
What assets? A couple of obsolete blast furnaces and a plant that has to import all its consumables and can't compete in a world with a very large excess steel capacity.
The Thyssen plant in Germany has a blast furnace with a 36 ft diameter. Port Talbot is on a hiding to nothing. As for "production transferred overseas," Are you suggesting
that TATA transferred its production to China, main source of the over-capacity.
Theres 1000s of steel companies in the uk. I work at one of them in the midlands and the only way we survive is if we have a fast turn around when we place our orders. Not going to happen when they keep shutting our plants down.
The UK holds regular Defence Reviews - why not Energy and other core resources?
If there are imposters in government then this makes perfect sense.
Just when you didn’t think the uk could get any weaker.
VOTE REFORM PEOPLE 🇬🇧 SAVE OUR COUNTRY TELL YOU'RE FAMILY & FRIENDS 👍
Is that Reform UK Party Limited, led by the charismatic, inspirational Richard “unelected leader” Tice - the “political” party with zero MEPs, zero MPs, less than 4% polling in recent by elections and 11 / 18,725 local councillors ??? And yes, I said unelected.
REFORM AND REFORM OUR HEAVY INDUSTRY TODAY TO SAVE ENGLAND NOW
Another way that Sunak looks after other countries at our expense. Has he got any business contacts in India ?
As a billionaire business man, with a billionaire business wife, both being Indian heritage , I would suggest the answer is yes.
@@daviddavies2945 his wife IS Indian, she was born in India, Sunak was born here in UK and as for business contacts, fuck me you made me laugh, check out Infosys, Sunaks wife is the daughter of the owner of Infosys!
🤣🤣
Wow the ignorance
Dude the company in Indian.
We should have as much energy as our strategic industrial requirements deserve. If the government licence drilling and should be fracking, as part of getting a licence the government should recieve what energy we need for free. We are no longer in the EU so we can subsidise Steel or any other industry we need so that we can compete. National security comes first and that includes specific industries and that will also ensure massive investment and jobs
Destroying the environment to fulfill an idea that is divorced from reality. It's staggering quite how cretinous GB News viewers are
We could always, but we have to import most raw products, should have built an EFW
Every time you drill/frack for oil and gas and take out oil or coal, you diminish the strategic safe under local ground supplies for when we may actually be on our own and need them. As all theses things are finite, it is actually more sensible to use up other people's nation's first!
You are 100% correct, let's see if Labour listen to the workers ??
British steel is lost to this stupid green agenda. So where is the job creations now? Yet we will buy steel from India who will still use blast furnaces rather than electric arc furnaces.
british steel is a fiction.....its owners tata are indian and have only kept making steel in the UK for years due to getting millions in handouts from govt otherwise they wouldve left long ago.
INDIA WILL SOON OVERTAKE US WE WILL SOON BE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY WE NEED STEEL OR ITS ALL OUT WAR FOR BRITAIN SORRY great britain LOL GOD FORBID US IF WE ARE EVER AT WAR AGIAN TO SAVE THIS BLESSED PLOT WE CALL england LOL
The woke green cult needs to be banned ASAP!
It's a massive security threat to the Western World!
Nothing to do with green agenda. Tata operations fully maintained in the EU. No climate change there... ? Brexit = no more external invest. You will get used to it.
The IMF and agendas have enslaved your country. This is nothing but madness.
We have to go back to the 60s/70s/80s
We had strike after strike after strike .
Stoppages . In car plants .ship yards .
Coal mines . We had many different industries .
All producing all maner of things .
And here we are again. Seeing another great British industrial empire.
Being farmed out to the cheapest offer.
But not always for the better..
Just what is happening to all our workers?????
More people not working....
all those strikers would have never protested if they were given a stake in their industries. Having an Ownership/ Worker model would eventually fail in every industry
I remember when Labour were in power during the mass strikes infamously known as the "Winter of Discontent" when the unions had taken over the Labour Government and the then Labour leader James Callaghan said that "if I was a young man i would leave the UK", lol.
The whole lockdown weakened people’s spirits, as it was designed.
Now explain why Port Talbot is the only one in Europe slated for closure?
Not sure?
Why has none of the media asked?
Ask Carwyn Jones, First minister for Wales, he will put you in the picture
I think we all know why it closed but I suspect your average GB News viewer isn't interested in the truth even when it is staring them in the face.
@splintercast8092
100% correct, the truth hurts!
No steel. No ships nothing.
Mind back in the day Britains steel was the best in the world.
Now we couldn’t even make a nut and bolt. Imported from everywhere 🙈🙈
Steel is steel, UK steel was as good as German and Japanese steel.
The Patent Shaft Steel Works {Wednesbury West Midlands} had Electric furnaces back in the 1980.s and Port Talbot still using old methods today, where has all the grant money gone to , it was British steel that closed the Shaft, and closed a good many others.
Forty plus years of no investment, just asset stripping, all gone back to India.
Probably gone into fixing ongoing potholes in Wales
No, "green" energy is not cheaper than normal energy. People forget to incalculate the prize of backup plants, that has to be on the ready 24/7, and that costs.. But, aside from that, with all the warbells tolling, the west has to have some capacity to make steel, you can´t make a good war without it. Lots of new stuff has come around, but steel is still a core component in many things. And, as a sidenote, the blastfurnace was inventet in Britain.
"Green" energy cannot replace a single conventional power plant so we pay the capital cost twice. The idea that blast furnaces are going to be powered by windmills or solar power is comical.
The term 'green steel' is a complete misnomer.
A sop to eco nut jobs.
Grid scale Battery back up is being put in all over the place. It makes a lot of money as it is so much better as back up than firing up coal plants.
The blast furnace issue is as I understand it a real problem as it needs the dirty coal in the process. Yes a minimal plant or two should be retained for strategic reasons. Even if it needs subsidy. However the strategic alternative is to stockpile that type of steel. Actually better in many ways as steel plants can be blown up as easy big fat missile targets.
No, it does not use coal in the process, but coke. And batteries that size is emensly expensive, there goes a lot of power into running a plant. @@nicholaspostlethwaite9554
it would help if British Steel was owned by British Steel and not Tata. We own nothing
Who pays d redundancy 😮😮 d taxpayer 😢
@@noelfleming3567 who receives the dividends?
no industry works without profit europe is on deindustralization mode russia ukraine war
Closing down our fishing, steel, energy, oil, coal industries for net zero reasons then pay a company in a country who commits more pollution a day than us a year to make stuff for us, all so it looks like we are net zero on paper basically
This is what Net Zero looks like.
Net zero is stupid when more co2 will be created by closing this steel works and then importing it. Jobs for over countries not ours’
Steel making in Britain needs to be re-nationalised and our needs met from within. WHY? - because otherwise we are at the mercy of others, who at the nod of a head can stop our supplies, which is madness.
Spot on !!!, The UK NEEDS to apply 100% taxes to imported steel, we NEED to protect what we have and expand bit by bit and never be at the mercy of the EU again, the EU allowed import of Chinese steel at dumping price, that necked most of the UK Steel industry but when the Chinese wanted to dump their Steel in Germany, the EU stopped it at once !
@@AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jq Competitive steel making needs low energy costs, with the net zero morons bankrupting Britain and killing our industrial base. I would suggest some SNR's be built pronto to prove their worth and lower energy prices. Plus all government contracts should require British materials are used and yes if there's steel dumping, the steel should heavily taxed.
Madness what about the Welsh people
There being invaded and having the jobs stolen from them taking the piss
This guy is wrong, so called green energy is extremely expensive which is why it has to be subsidized
Project Fear said predicted our Steelworks would shut. First it was Redcar and now Port Talbot. It’s a shame this happened, but we’ve taken back control
This is no mistake, there's more to this closure than meets the eye!..............Only time will tell but by then it will be too late!
Nigel, please be in Telford on the 27th Jan. We are all needed.
Steel is completely finished in South Wales. There will be no replacement.
IF WE ARE AT WAR HOW DO WE GET THE STEEL IN TO BRITAIN ??????????????????????????
What else did you expect? Between austerity measures, Brexit, and Liz Truss's idiotic mini-budget, the UK economy has reached the point where it is simply not a viable place for international corporations to invest.
They’ve done exactly the same in USA .
Gradually dismantling the U.K. !
The same is happening at Scunthorpe...........
Net zero, high energy prices who would have thought?
You cannot make raw iron ( the basis of steel ) without coke, limestone and iron ore.... all electric arc furnaces can do is melt scrap steel.... So UK can melt existing steel but not make any more.
We are fucked if we lose our ability to produce steel.
It's no longer impolite to state that the government has simply reached educational, training and experience limitations.
An arc furnace is just re-melting. It will not produce the high grade steel needed for modern buildings, above 10 stories high. Truly intellectual limitations. 😢
Many 1000’s more Reform voters this lunacy has to stop
Is that Reform UK Party Limited, led by the charismatic, inspirational Richard “unelected leader” Tice - the “political” party with zero MEPs, zero MPs, less than 4% polling in recent by elections and 11 / 18,725 local councillors ??? And yes, I said unelected.
Wales supports Labour !
If this doesn't finally wake up the people of Wales for them to see that Labour is no longer serving them as this announcement for port talbot clearly demonstrates then just imagine what else Labour will do to Wales.
Time to think for political change as the 2 party system no longer serves nor is representing the people of uk.
Am not a Labour voter but how can you blame this on them
@celtspeaksgoth7251 Tell me what Labour have done and is doing to grow the Welsh economy and tell me what they have or are doing to protect those 3000 jobs in Port Talbot.
Heres a couple of things to reflect on.
*Welsh Government own Cardiff Airport which is dieing on its feet if not already dead...meanwhile Bristol Airport thriving... why aren't they pulling all the stops out to make Cardiff Airport a success?
*M4 into Wales is an absolute nightmare....what companies would consider investing in Wales when getting here by either road or air is not a viable option.oh and lets not overlook the ridiculous blanket 20mph introduction...so now the whole of Wales crawls at same pace as traffic on M4 coming over either seven bridges.
*Labour have well n truly nailed their colours to the Net Zero mast...and couldn't care less how many jobs are lost as a result whilst not saying a word as to where and when their fanciful net zero green jobs will appear....not to mention the idious cost of energy being imposed on business and households..its just lunacy.
*oh and lets not forget what that nutter Drakeford imposed on the people and businesses of Wales during Covid..more illogical nonsense...beyond any common sense.
*Wasting taxpayer cash at an alarming rate and then whining that westminster isn't giving them more money to waste.
I could go on and on....but there are just a few nuggets to reflect on.
Make no mistake, once it's closed, its not coming back. It doesn't matter what they say about new technology in three years time etc. that will be it, no steel industry in Britain. Let's hope there's not a war as trying to mass produce anything while being reliant on steel from other countries will be a big mistake.
Port Talbot is finished. All the businesses and subcontractors in the area will close. This will be the death of the town.
Another Brexit benefit.
@@matthewcook9404 no, you really haven’t been following the history of steel making, Europe has been trying to shut down this place since Corus days, by shipping everything off to the Netherlands and now Germany has shut down Aberthaw power station, when you need FOUR to run electric arc furnaces to go at the same capacity of 3 million tons of steel per annum.
@@matthewcook9404 this place was making a profit for Tata, it always has, but the politicians the globalists of Brussels and Westminster are one big club that has screwed over industry yet again. First the mines, now this.
@@abloogywoogywoo Tata operations in the Eu are not affected, it's only in the UK. Tata just doesn't want to invest in the UK since... Brexit.
@@HelenLemink Get off. It’s because UK is the only country stupid enough to believe the CO2 net zero lies the globalists are spouting.
Of course with us being at the start of WW3 there is no possibility that we may need a bit of steel as it progresses and we may have to actually manufacture something !
NAH WE CAN ALWAYS USE PLASTIC LOL
Thank the not voted in by us sunak ,shipping it to India? Wonder why ??.
If yhis happend anywhere else concerning a leader there would be riots ,Britain just sits on its hands
Because TATA is Indian company so they will move back to India .
Admit it;BREXIT played its part in this decision.
Net Zero is NOT important. Decarbonizing makes no sense because carbon is one of the most common elements in the universe and all life is built on carbon. AND, renewables are expensive sources of energies.
Net zero is about reducing the emitting of carbon dioxide and methane mainly. You really think net zero is about reducing the element carbon? Are you really that ignorant?
@@PorthLlwyd One of the many useful aspects of the Western scientific tradition is the insistence on correct definitions and taxonomy. I know full well what the pointless intent is and there are several aspects to all this that indicate that none of the Climate Change hysteria is based on science. In this case the words 'De-carbonisation' is used and in addition we are all exhorted to 'save' Earth's climate. There is no single Earth climate, just as there is no single Earth temperature. An average global temperature might be interesting but it depends on the intellect and independence of the scientist trying to unpick what is going on. Running climate models to see where Earth's average temperature will be in 30 years time is not science. China has over 1080 coal fired power stations with more on the way. The Earth is over 10% greener than it was which means more vegetation. CO2 is used in farming to get greater yield in crops because CO2 is plant food.
"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true"
Paul Watson [Greenpeace Founder]
"We routinely wrote scare stories...Our press reports were more or less true...We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment"
Jim Sibbison [Environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency]
"I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis"
Al Gore
"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy...Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization...One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore"
Ottmar Edenhoffer [High level UN-IPCC official]
"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill....All these dangers are caused by human intervention....and thus the 'real enemy, then, is humanity itself....believe humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is 'a real one or….one invented for the purpose."
Club of Rome
"The data don't matter. We're not basing our recommendations [for reductions in carbon dioxide emissions] upon the data. We're basing them upon the climate models."
Chris Folland [UK Meteorological Office]
@@richardgallagher4880 Are you OK?
@@PorthLlwyd One of the many useful aspects of the Western scientific tradition is the insistence on correct definitions and taxonomy. I know full well what the pointless intent of Net-Zero is and there are several aspects to all this that indicate that none of the Climate Change hysteria is based on science. In this case the words 'De-carbonisation' is used and in addition we are all exhorted to 'save' Earth's climate. In addition there is no single Earth climate, just as there is no single Earth temperature. An average global temperature might be interesting but it depends on the intellect and independence of the scientist trying to unpick what is going on. Running climate models to see where Earth's average temperature will be in 30 years time is not science. China has over 1080 coal fired power stations with more on the way. The Earth is over 10% greener than it was which means more vegetation. CO2 is used in farming to get greater yield in crops because CO2 is plant food, it is not a control knob for Earth's average temperature.
Here is one small example of the lunacy of all this and how deliberately lazy labelling can lead to stupid outcomes. Ms. Neumeister was one of 39 elementary school teachers from across the city who participated in a four-day training session in the summer called “Integrating Climate Education in N.Y.C. Public Schools.” Its goal was to make the teachers familiar with the topic, so they can work climate change into their lesson plans and consider this 'lesson'.
“Third graders at Public School 103 in the north Bronx sat on a rug last month while their teacher, Kristy Neumeister, led a book discussion.
The book, “Rain School,” is about children who live in a rural region of Chad, a country in central Africa. Every year, their school must be rebuilt because storms wash it away.
“And what’s causing all these rains and storms and floods?” asked Ms. Neumeister.
“Carbon,” said Aiden, a serious-looking 8-year-old.”
Absolute disgrace. Absolute disgrace. There's already a lack of jobs to start with, especially in Wales.
I am a steelworker at port talbot and we feel let down, the town as we know it will never recover, the steel works is the beating heart of the town
NO INDEED THE BEATING HEART OF THE UK INDUSTRY WE NEED STEEL TO SURVIVE A WAR
Did you vote for Brexit? If you did then you voted for EU tariffs which make exporting steel more difficult and expensive now the EU has green tariffs for 3rd countries. That's why Tata are closing it down. If you don't believe me do some research of your own. I wonder what it feels like to vote your town's livelihood down the drain? Perhaps you didn't vote for Brexit but Wales did. The same as for England, which has seen the closure of Honda in Swindon. You reap what you sow (or vote for)
@futurefinancials8389 no I did not vote brexit next question?
It's pure greenwashing. Just exporting our carbon emissions abroad. Even if it was produced more environmentally friendly abroad, which is doubtful, it still has co2 milage on it since we'll have to import it. And you can guarantee the government won't factor that into the net zero equations
Thatcher did the same thing decades ago except she didn't have the excuse of 'saving the planet'
All seems quite contradictory coming from Thatcherite
Your dead right. 🤔🇫🇷
Let’s hope there’s not a war
this country has been deindustrialising for nearly 40 years under both Tories and Labour. The Net zero stupidity is about deindustrialisation, the loss of jobs and the introduction of poverty. We need change, but with the current level of voter stupidity we will loose one bunch of incompetent politicians and replace them with another of equal or worse incompetence.
Are you saying Wales will vote Labour back in ?
Vote Reform
@@JamesLWilliams-k9xprobably
"with the current level of voter stupidity we will loose". I think you mean "lose". It's spelled "lose" not "loose".
@@martinpatterson3417 you are correct, lose not loose, fat fingers didnt help
Net Zero idiocy
More net zero madness resulting in 3000 job losses. Hope the net zero zealots will put their hands in their pockets and pay these worker's bills. Nobody's lying in the road at Port Talbot. Can't understand why government are paying £500 million to lose 3000 job's.
lol madness? Germany was force to close 75% of her steel production post WW2, that's Madness.
This country is slipping away or should I say has slipped away. We were once a thriving country with proud hard working men producing tremendous things. But it all started with that Maggie thatcher closing our mines and ship builders swan hunter and the like. We are going to have nothing left in this country in years to come or what have we got left now compared to back then. God help our children of today and their children. Get this government out and get an election so we can decide who runs this country and hopefully stop this decline and save us from poverty.
We need to nationalise it and kick Tata out, given the present state of potential war the steel industry must remain in the UK hands.
Everyone here seems to either be too dumb or pretend they don't know why this is happening and will CONTINUE to happen. Brexit, two years ago the government expired all protections on UK steel and well the UK cant compete, on anything world wide. Farming, Fishing and now Steel have all but disappeared thanks to Brexit. Thanks Farage.
Absolute madness!!!!😡🤬😡🤬
Are we not to make or grow anything in this country anymore? We are becoming entirely dependent on others for our existence.
Good job that we left the worlds largest trading bloc. But we are sovereign ….. 😂😂
The ability to produce high grade steel is of National strategic importance.
The UK is being emasculated and shamed.
We must be able to make our own steel from the very beginning and not from bits of scrap!
I despair at the way politicians of every political party have betrayed us.
Well said. Industry is strategic
According to experts, it's mainly because of export tariffs to Europe now we've left the EU. The EU has green tariffs for 3rd countries. Of cause, TATA don't want to deal with this uncertainty of this in the UK. Of cause, Farage promised that leaving the EU would help steel - just like fishing and immigration. Food prices would go down as well he said. Well everything has gone south. Good ol' Nigel has got nothing right about Brexit so far except one thing "Brexit has failed", that he said on Newsnight. Well he's spoke the truth at last.
Not strategic, utter madness. We are loosing all of our industry. Not just going green. It is workers wanting higher and higher wages, which only pushes up the cost of living. A vicious circle.
Criminals in power nothing but
Nigel Farage in 2016 "If we vote to remain, it is the end of the steel industry in this country. We must leave the EU". It's comical to see that there are so many stupid people still swallowing his lies.
Port Talbot steelworks is closing because of Brexit. Nigel. Did you get that?
Furious!? It's an abomination!!!!! I feel sick 🤢
And will still vote for the Tories
It's bloody suicide! If the industry simply moves abroad then who's losing out and who's benefitting! ? WTF is going on in politics today here in the UK? This is really stupid - I was once 'proud' to be British...
WHERE DO YOU SEE TODAY ANY ITEMS STAMPED MADE IN GRET BRITAIN LOL LIKE YOU DID IN THE 1950's LOL WE ARE NOT GREAT ANYMORE LOL LOL LOL OH FOR LOL EH!
When is somebody going to stop this madness.
Great news for india
Wef plan😢
What was it that Starmer said - "we will switch to low carbon renewables to reduce all of your utility bills" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The government of the day should have supported and carried on subsidising the steel industry, when it started to go into trouble, instead of letting the foreign countries take companies over and then giving them huge subsidies. It is just like Cadburys, they sold it off to Craft with conditions and typically Craft went back on their word and lots of people lost their jobs. I know it wasn't on the same scale as the steel crisis, but the government as usual has and is letting the UK and its workers down!
net zero is not important peoples lives are more important
Nigel playing 3card trick here his ideology got us in this mess in the first place
Is there not a Brexit opportunity that can be deployed?
This would floor South Wales.
AND THE COUNTRY WILL BE ON A PLATE FOR RUSSIA RUSSIA WILL INVITE ITS SELF TO DINNER
The redundancies they look for first are voluntary and these workers could get "big redundancy pay packages". I remember years ago when they wanted 1,000 redundancies at Doncaster Council and they got over well over 1,000 people who applied for voluntary redundancy.
Lots of jobs in the transport in industry will go. I’m a driver in Bristol
Cheap energy = prosperity.
I'm sure Sunak will fully approve of that.
It’s not net zero. It’s Brexit, Nige! And you know it….
Outsource to a cheaper country is the way of the Uk , we use a foreign companies to code as it’s a lot cheaper and more specialised
Fujitsu
As JT has just said..... Horizon as an example really shows how 'super' is that idea.
‘More specialised’😂 I guess you don’t have a lot of experience with Indian software “engineers”.
@@_dude.. nope because I’m not directly involved , apparently the company had no resource in UK to use I don’t think it’s specifically India but definitely an Asian company 🤨
What has Farage actually done for this country other then talk ? Thousands of followers but no sensible answers ?
@2aph0d_b33blebr0x All elected prime minister now answer the question 🙄
If this is fault of net zero why has the uk become the only g20 country to not produce steel when many other countries are net zero
We all know we are in this situation because the EU never took action on cheap Chinese steel dumping. Then after Brexit the expectation was that the UK will be able to stop China and revive the industry but it didn't!
Tata clearly didn't want to have to axe any jobs. It is not their general policy to have people lose their jobs.
Tata is run by a large moral compass with over 66% of their group shares being given to their charitable organisations and is considered the most trustworthy/reliable employer by many.
Blaming it on Net zero is nonsense. The reason this is happening is because the UK has no integrated industrial strategy.
Westminster yet again is prioritising jobs in the SE.
Net Zero project is also nonsense.
@@koushikdas1992 ??
All humans breathing away for 365.25 days per year makes an annual CO2 output of 2.94 billion tons.
Every tonne of steel produced led to the emission of 1.89 tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere. UK's steel production of 7.2 million metric tons generates 15 million tons CO2 output annually. Meaning carbon produced by UK's steel industry is 0.51% of human's annual carbon production.
More to come as net zero gets pushed. Close the mines. Buy coal and ship it. Dont store gas. Ship it and pay for storage. Close factory's and import from abroad. Somebody has been working hard for years to leave the uk empty.
BREXIT BABY!!!
We are all paying a heavy price for the Net Zero bollocks which no one was consulted on in the first place.
Net zero is a major problem, not helped by the fact that we've created barriers to trade with our nearest and largest market and uncertainty for investors. There is no "strategy for industry" - or indeed anything else.
You need coal to make steel, you need oil to make plastic. It's fundamental.
3,000 direct jobs at Tata, then the supply chain, associated support jobs (catering). The real figure is much higher!
Then there is the matter of strategic security. Plus quality control.
They can make a blinkered financial case, however the long term consequences would be dire, loss of essential commodities, loss of skilled workers, loss of innovation for greener/more efficient solutions.