"You're On £60K? Why Can't You Afford lunch?" | James Whale Clashes With Junior Doctor
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ม.ค. 2024
- James Whale clashes with Junior Doctor Bhasha Mukherjee, following a week of strikes.
"I think they are a bunch of lunatics. My wife went to A&E and was left writhing in pain on the floor for nearly 12 hours."
Bhasha Mukherjee claims many of her colleagues are so poor, they have to visit food banks.
Ash Gould: "If you're on £60,000, how can you not afford lunch?"
Junior doctors will hold a fresh ballot for more strike action, according to reports, as the longest walkout in NHS history ends on Tuesday morning.
The British Medical Association’s (BMA) junior doctors committee has plans to hold a third vote for a new six-month mandate for industrial action over the long-running pay dispute, according to The Guardian.
The move is likely to increase tensions in the health sector which have already been heightened by the record six-day strike.
The current mandate was voted for by members in the summer and expires on February 29 and union sources say support among junior doctors for continuing their campaign remains strong, according to the newspaper.
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Should junior doctors receive a 35% pay rise?
NOOOOOOO
Haha maybe 3% like everyone else. Clowns.
no
It's £20 an hour that they're striking for instead of £15 per hour. It's in line with inflation & years of pay freeze & cuts. For what they do, the responsibility of life, it's fair. Waiting lists are being tackled by offering appointments in other Trusts or even NHS paid in private practice.
No way.
60k a year and going to the food bank my arse.
And I bet she has a top of the range Range Rover, 5 bedroom house and a Iphone, then complains she is hard up.
I know yeh silly cow
@@broadcast_barBooHoo 😭 welcome to the real world! only the strong will survive
Probably overspending or money is tight from all her investment properties and mortgages.
60k and having to things like go food banks 🙄 🤯 Living beyond there means obviously 😡 🤬
With respect,you are missing the real reason the NHS is failing.
It's no longer a National Health System.
It is an International Health System,open to those who don't contribute via NI. Contributions.
It wasn't designed for that
Quite right. There are more interpreters in hospitals than nurses.
Adding to that, you have made up lead roles in NHS for "friends and family" who never worked in healthcare or either have very little experience and have no clue on what they doing. The whole system is corrupted.
It’s not a Health System it’s a Health Service
There is a solid truth in what you say.
The percentage of those from abroad coming here for "health tourism" is less than 1%
anyone who is so incompetent with money that they have to go to a food bank on a colossal £60,000 salary should not be working in medicine.
@@leslieperkins759 now compare that witha bloke in say machinery doing his 5 year aprenticeship , the nurses and doctiors are still on more... and oplease dont forgtet about the 37 1/2 hour week that over that is over time for the nurses and doctors.
Yes they want better conditions so do we wen in hospital come on
@@leslieperkins759 starting salary of £28,000? excellent for people just coming out of university. you're lucky to get that even with a PhD and previous experience.
Doctors are well paid for the work they do. It is not underfunding fir the NHS. It is bad management... Nobody needs a 35% increase in salary. Doctors do not need to go to food banks! Live on £18k a year and manage your budget and then greet!!! So many people have to live on this and do.
Exactly this
£60k a year and she cant afford lunch? Total B.S!
Correct
Wasn't her, it was someone else he had spoken to
She can't afford party drugs and pilot grigio!
I have fallen victim to this, and it's frightening. I live in fear of the collapse. Let alone the actual treatment.
Its because they want to live a lavish lifestyle way above what their salary can afford.
I worked in the NHS for over 20 years. The number of middle managers is unbelievable. The last department I worked in had sub departments with their own manager for around 5 others, sometimes with assistant managers. All they did was sit around thinking up a reason to hold another team meeting for no other reason than to justify their job.
The NHS is a great institution, but the waste in non-productive staff is overwhelming.
Hear, hear!
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Sounds like modern corporate 🤣
And I can heartily confirm everything you say. I also worked in the NHS for 16 years, and witnessed every management failing you have mentioned. They wasted money year in and year out, as you say sat around because most of them did precisely nothing except interfere with medical procedures of which they had no knowledge. Otherwise they had interminable meetings with no agenda, reached no decisions that would assist the hospital in question, and spent increasing amounts of funds on unnecessary equipment - in order to justify requesting more government funding every year. And last year they advertised for 500 ‘Diversity and Inclusion Managers’ at £160,000+ car - to satisfy and pander to the ridiculous ‘Woke Culture’ that is overwhelmingly fashionable at present - and inaffordably unnecessary and expensive. Typical of muddled management thinking. At taxpayers’ expense whilst the population is dying by degrees from the lack of medical staff.
@claireward5709 Agree with everything you have said. The waste and overpayment for even office equipment is unbelievable. (I can't comment for specialist medical equipment).
I thought a few years back, NHS Trusts were given more power to purchase from a wider base of suppliers? The last position I was in was a new department and office equipment had to be bought. We were given 2 catalogues. Both very expensive. Office chairs. As an example, 2-3 times more than had seen at local suppliers. I asked if I could be allowed to try and source what was needed myself. No, was the answer!
This was problem I saw years before, and even wrote, at the time to the Trusts CEO suggesting they put me in an office with a computer, for a trial period, to see if I could save them money. Didn't even do more than read the email ...
I volunteer for the NHS. It’s well and truly broken. The money gets wasted, needs to be reformed from top to bottom
It depends. There are excellent state of the art hospitals and very efficient doctors surgeries. Some, but not all of the organisation needs to be regenerated.
go volunteer for the girl guides fool
I love the NHS but immigration has put an absolute strain on it.
I’ve been a patient this past year and half , for several stays in hospital,and many appointments in different hospitals. Ive been shocked Y many things I’ve seen and experienced but the failure to communicate even basic medical notes between hospitals in different health authorities is a real shocker . I had to attend an appointment for a scan , four consecutive times because each time they ended up realizing they needed a ultrasound , cancelling the visit after an hour trying to achieve something they had already failed to do at the previous appointment . Each time repeating the same failed process and saying “ oh you’ll need an ultrasound , can you come back next week “ ? After poking me full of holes and several nurses attempting to have a go , saying the same phrase every time “ oh don’t worry , we’re used to doing it , well get it “, and failing after several attempts and several more holes in me . Once even having 24 attempts before I said “ you need an ultrasound”.
I was shocked they had no notes telling them each week to get the ultrasound and just repeating the process again . In the end I asked how difficult it was to write down in the notes ? The pain, the hours of time wasted , causing other patients to wait needlessly only to cancel the appointment again and again was shocking .in the 21sr century one would hope communication was something easy . So much for management . There comes a day that one realizes hoping for pot luck is not something one wants to be the basis of the treatment . Such failure to communicate patient needs must cost a fortune in wasted hours and resources when just a pen and paper or a line in a computer notes could possibly save millions
The money gets wasted because private companies absolutely rinse the NHS. They charge £2k to fit a bog standard sink when it costs the average Joe about £1/200 at a push. Government institutions can only choose from a select pool of candidates. As part of the transparency and accountability is adhered to by vetting the workers. Which is more expensive. One significant reason being that they can easily take advantage of Joe public and increase their prices ASTRONOMICALLY
"I hate the goverment...I'm not talking about politics".
I waited for 12 months for an urgent appointment. Urgent. I've worked all my adult life and paid into the system for this s**t.
Yes true you pay into the system and get zero back ,no oppiontment ,nothing
God I hope people earning £60K are NOT using bloody food banks.
I'm on over 60k and my local one is great!🤣🤣
Pounds not calories @@user-qk7vv3mx1s
U.K. tax laws warp all income. Country is destroyed
No matter how much money you earn if you have no control over how you spend it, nothing will be enough!
They should be donating to food banks not taking from food banks.
I am on £22,000 a year and manage ok no need to use a food bank if you Budget correctly,£60,000 a year they dont know how lucky they are!
My mother was a nurse in the Second World War and never complained and just got on with it, as did the doctors. 30 plus beds with two nurses, and they did the cleaning! They did it for love and duty, not the money.
Doctors and nurses still deserve a proper living wage for their dedication! Just like everyone. UK is not supposed to be a slave labour country, but is fast becoming one. Thank god there are other countries who know the value of our life savers, and pay them good wages to prove that they care. It's absolutely not good enough. This country stinks.
My great great grandad was a baker
My mother was a nurse in the 40's 50's When there was a Matron in charge, Nurses where expected to wait on patients hand and foot, But keep the wards spotless, And that doesn't mean a flck over with a mop or duster beds where taken outside and shrubed each day come rain or shine!!! The key was having a Matron!!!
Fightforyourdreams:
"Slave Labour '? Really?
My wife died on November - 2 main reasons. Doctor's strike put her treatment back and back and the environemnt in the ward. Between treatments she wasn't allowed to get rest and recovery because of the noise, loud chatter, telehone ringing, buzzers, etc etc. The old addage of if you want to recover don't go into hospital is so true.
Sotrue
Condolences to you. I’m sorry to hear that:( . Best wishes:)
I'm not entirely sure you can say someone died because they didn't get enough rest and recovery on the ward. I mean what would you even base that conclusion on
@@john50beach18 Just try it - then you will perhaps understand what the poor man means!
So, so sorry to hear that. Sleep and rest are much more important to aid recovery than anyone imagines - until they or a loved one have been there.
Let's be honest, it wouldn't matter how much money was thrown at the NHS it would never be enough.
Enough money is being pumped into the NHS its just that the waste and inefficiency is colossal.
@@faswaniSame here in Ireland with the so called "HSE". We have the very same atrocious levels of inefficiency and mayhem in the A&E, and throughout our hospitals for that matter. You do NOT want to get sick or injured in our Western countries today.
When the little nuns were running it, you would be in and out in an hour and everywhere was kept scrupulously clean.
Say what you want about them, but there WERE a lot of good honest souls there who were highly vocational and were greatly maligned with the clerical scandals, wrongfully so. They believed in order and they did their jobs well in stark contrast to today.
Throwing money at your problems is likely a cause here to begin with.
Yes but you got to pay doctors their pay - they had a pay cut of 35% because of inflation. If the government paid them - none of this would happen. MPS always get their pay rise....
Absolutely; this has already been shown to be the case.
My wife was on the waiting list for spinal surgery after 18 months 2 months befor surgery she was put under another surgeon who told her she was not on his list and would have to start again. This is what they do.
James whale so sorry to hear about your diagnosis and wish you all the best.
Since Covid it seems our GP'S have refused to do the job we pay them to do.
And I'm almost 80 years old and up until now have never known a doctors strike .
35% madness. THIS IS POLITICAL!!.
Terminal cancer? Since when? Wasn't James Whale one of the jab tyrants who sought to beliitle those that wouldnt take this cancer inducing muck? Oh dear......
can the UK stop pretending the NHS is world class
NHS doctors are third rate
Amen. People are so indoctrinated here.
@@vanessac1721 The clapping sheeple.
I don't, it's the liberals & left that do. It was built when our population was small, it's now out of control which is why it's no good anymore and needs dismantling and rebuilt to meet the needs, (althought that's impossible now), we're overpopulated and skint !!
@@taffyterrier says the Tories virtue signallers, clapping for carers, claiming the vaccine roll-out was world-beating 🤣🤣🤣clapping sheeple INDEED
The average UK pay is £33,000. How do you need a food bank on £60k. The fact that they can afford to keep striking shows they are not poor.
NHS loving sheeple on £20k will be donating food to feed doctors on £60k.
What the strikers don't realise is that every single day on strike actually reduces their 'end of NHS employment /retirement pension' rate. Right now it might seem unimportant but they could be in for a nasty shock when they find just how much their NHS Pensions will be impacted through their foolhardy actions right now. Let's hope we still have Food Banks then!
anyone who can't feed themselves on a colossal £60k salary is clearly wasting all of their money on expensive car loans, overly expensive apartments or houses, expensive holidays, prostitutes, gambling, or all of the above.
@@33LB
These doctors had to borrow 100’s of thousand of £ to study and qualify they need to pay this money back and these doctors have life and families too
Jesus average is £33,000 we both work and only on a few thousand more than that a year between us. 😮
My mother in law works in procurement for the NHS - she says that it’s a black hole. They pay ‘Diversity Managers’ 70k a year!!! This is in Dumfries, one of the least diverse places in the UK 😂
Your mother in law is correct. Procurement in the NHS is a mess.
Well, DEI and "diversity" are just buzzwords for ways to oppress the indigenous people. It's all a massive scam, on an industrial scale. My sister's a nurse in west Wales and couldn't get a job. She was told it's because they had to meet a diversity quota. They ended up importing nurses from Kerala, India. They desperately needed nurses, my sister lived in the same town, and they wouldn't give her a job, with almost 20 years experience. She had to move. We're being replaced.
Do you even know what Diversity managers do in healthcare?
@@MaisieDaisyUpsadaisydiversify funding from medical practicioners to middle management?
Most of the extra money from covid the NHS received went straight into creating diversity depts and more managers that do nothing but create more wasteful teams meetings because they have nothing to do with. Now the doctors want more pay but the managers have blown the budgets.
One junior doctor, when interviewed, said she couldn’t live on this meagre salary as she couldn’t pay her sons school fees! How fortunate that could even consider private education for her child.
Says a lot about her privileged upbringing to think that was even a valid point. I think that’s half the problem, these junior doctors grew up rich and thought qualifying as a doctor would immediately give them their rich parents lifestyle.
OMG. One doctor was found to have this opinion! Quick, get me that pay reduction tool! Stat!
Absolutely madness
That one you made up inside your head to get angry about?
Only 1 interviewed. Sack the lot. Greedy hastards.@@BrianMcGuirkBMG
Here is this undeniable truth from a patient in Wales. The NHS here is NOT fit for purpose and I could list a long number of issues where I have been dealt with extremely poorly by NHS Wales. It is WRONG to continually blame the UK Government for healthcare’s laughable processes. The NHS Management must be held to account for their own very poor performance. The net result of this is patients are being dealt with flippant offhand attitudes as though we are a nuisance and care and empathy is evaporating by the day.
Couldn't agree more, my father in law died in September after spending most of the last 4 years of his life in hospital, patients are an inconvenience to all the staff and are treated accordingly.
@@Norfolkbiker50 I am very sorry to hear that. Care and empathy is slowly vanishing it seems also they don’t really act or listen to how you feel about things. Just come out with the Covid, short staffed, overworked and under strain, cards all the time. It’s like you have no right to express your concerns.
@@OneGuySomewhere it doesn't help that a large percentage of the staff don't speak English.
Its the full country, from the councillors you elect to award contracts to companies to fix your potholes to the countless barbershops and car washes that are all over, the country is being drained dry by everyone. The councillors and local MPs they are all on the gravy train and we get what we vote for in this country.
@@dreddykrugernew actually if we got what we voted for Boris Johnson would still be prime minister, sunak has never had a single vote, he's there through Sharp practice.
60k a year is 5K per month. I'm sure a lot of people would just love to be that poor.
60k/ 5k monthly if your doing brown envelopes and not paying tax. Taxman needs his cut too,
£60K a year = £42,900 after tax - £3,575 monthly
@Elevate_G 36 to 40 h a week. Yeah, right.
@@ramsaybolton9151Boo fucking hoo. The truth is that junior doctors are Workshy freeloaders who deserve much LESS than they currently make.
Tax, NI and pensions are deducted. As well as student loans.
@@ramsaybolton9151 dangerous job? please don't make me cringe. medicine is extremely safe and generally speaking, the only illness they're going to get by being close to other people is the common cold, which has absolutely no impact on anyone's life. of course, the exception in recent years is covid, but covid is an extremely rare event and most people are vaccinated against covid now. there are far more dangerous jobs done by millions of people across the country every single day.
They earn so much that they all go part time and do private work £290,000 av
It's not the patients fault it's the fault of management so why take it out on patients by striking? How does that change anything? You're understaffed because there's too many people using the NHS that aren't from this country.
Ok. That effectively means doctors are never allowed to strike. Is this what you are after?
Yes. They're an essential service. Legislate them back to work, period. @@TheLincolnrailsplitt
@@TheLincolnrailsplitt err yea
Because greed is more important to them than vocation.
@@TheLincolnrailsplittyes
It’s ALL political they disgust me.That A+E incident of James,s wife lying on the floor for 12 hrs has shocked & disgusted me.
this is happening to alot of people it is a disgrace
🎉 You get shocked by complete fiction? Go hide under your bed
Yup ... cause the baby boomers and posterior generations have thoroughly destroyed everything with their love for socialism and free stuff.
@@AntiSepticUK I was on a trolley in A&E for 25hrs, it's not fiction you clown!
I earn 20,000 per year and i don't use food banks, I have a mortgage and a car. So what are people doing with their money to not be able to live on 60k??????????????????
Last year my mum was in the Leeds general infirmary on end of life care on a ward full of very old sick people. There were old people in pain crying out for help! I watched these badly done to underpaid nurses stood around the reception area laughing and joking while ignoring these poor old people’s cry’s.. well done nhs! I could add more but would probably be locked up for it
I witnessed this sort of thing myself the ignoring crying out people while they plan there evening out and laughing out very loud.
I've worked for the NHS and after 6 months or so I have witnessed nurses becoming de sensitised which is sad. Thing is you have to question why.... why would someone start to slowly switch off?
Second what the OP wrote. When a family member was in hospital, she was left without medication, "no one was available" to nip down to the pharmacy in the same building to pick it up for her, whilst they had staff playing on their phone. Then there was a handful of staff in scrubs talking really appropriately loud about hospital politics, whilst using the patients' waiting area as a common room. I could go on.
Same happened to me i crawled on the ward floor in agony and at the reception was 3 nurses looking at there phones talking
I agree. I've been in and out of hospital for years and nurses are always gathered at their station talking and laughing. I waited TWO HOURS for some morphine once.....
I am a retired nurse, I can honestly say the NHS was on its knees well before 2010, it had an aging workforce, was in debt, junior doctors worked extremely long hours, being on call some were on duty without rest for a very long time, it has been under funded for donkeys years. The NHS needs less chiefs and more Indians, ie more frontline nurses,
We all need you wonderful Doctors and nurses at some point in our lives. They do an amazing job at keeping us healthy and alive! And where would we be without them. Other countries pay them much more than this pathetic country does, because they know the value of these amazing angels.😇 It's no wonder our doctors are going abroad. We all clapped on our doorsteps during covid, when they all put their lives at risk to treat us. Now they are the enemy and forgotten about. Our country is absolutely disgusting. It's ok for the rich, they can afford to go privately! It's a case of "I'm alright Jack". How dare these 2 jumped up Wallies talk to this young lady in such a vile way. I'm Beyond angry. 😠
I was a nurse only 30yo and it's horrible. So I left
I used to know a retired nurse "30yrs ago", who used to regularly complain about the state of the NHS. She would say the same! That there's more chiefs than Indians. Meaning to many managers than staff. Not much has changed, apart from it's decline even further down the pan.
I believe you was a nurse
Why don't these two clowns let the educated lady speak.
Her colleagues can't afford lunch but they can afford private health care.
We all spend our money as it suits us
Exactly!
@@johnwalsh3658 People spend their money as they wish
I'm willing to bet that their definition of not affording lunch is the ability to go into a shop everyday and spending 20 pounds a day on coffess and lunch.
A lot of them think they're too entitled to meal prep of make lunches from home.
The whole thing is ridiculous
Well tbh having known many junior doctors, a lot of them are total idiots in terms of spending money. Keep buying costa everyday. taking ubers everywhere. getting robbed on their payslips and not knowing because they never actually read the bloody payslips
When a junior doctor saw me he told me to go home and see my doctor on Monday, got off bed couldn’t breathe and it was the staff nurse who told me to stay where I am. Spent a week in hospital on medication and oxygen
If a junior doctor gets 60k a year then so should a serviceman even thoses who have served 20years in wars risk8ng there lives dont even get that its just greed
There are many now risking their lives and completely sacrificing their finances to fight the war of stealth in our countries today. Imprisonment and criminal records, poverty, destitution, all to fight govt overreach and state corruption.
Nothing is ever said about those new soldiers of today.
At least a military soldier gets SOME pay and a pension, and also gets "Thank you for your service everywhere he goes."
We get nothing absolutely nothing
Absolutely not it’s absurd. My doctors drive new range rovers, work limited hours and don’t exactly break a sweat. In addition they all get amazing benefits us in the normal world could only dream of including an amazing pension. Greedy
I can guarantee you he isn't a junior doctor for the NHS. He will work I'm private health care and get paid lots of money.
We live in a capitalist society. Don't clutch your pearls when some people follow the Tory example and make as much money as they can whilst not caring about others. What an absolute hysterical snowflake you are.
Are these junior doctors,? Being a Doctor isn't like say what my job was Aircraft Fitter. I didn't expect the same renumeration as someone dealing with peoples health life and well being or someone operating on someone's heart or brain. Its a job with an awful lot of responsibility. These talking heads are laughable.
Study harder in ur new life
60k a year 3.5k a month after tax and says she goes to a food bank😂😂😂
I don't know how anyone could live on that in London. A crappy flat in my area rents for almost £3k a month, and I'm not in an especially posh bit. Very glad I didn't go to medical school!
Such a LIAR that woman.
@@gxyb766 that simply isnt true. u can guy a one bed flat in london for 1k a month. no need to spend 3k a month on a one bedroom flat.
Then how do immigrants live in London? @@gxyb766
@@gxyb766 this is bullshit. Zone two, like 15 min walk from canary worth will give you a nice 2 bedroom apartment which a huge master bedroom which is en-suite (thus apartment actually has two bathrooms). The building is almost new. The same flat also has a big balcony by the full length of flat.
3000 a month? That must be zone 1. No reason to live in zone 1, when you can cycle or use public transport just fine from 2-4 zones.
£60,000 a year and you're at the food bank? Naaah not happening.
Estimated at £42,900 after tax. That's a LOT of money. Two years of living at home with your parents, you can get a large deposit down and secure a cozy mortgage. You'll still be able to pay for your food, hell you could buy a takeaway every week.
My wife is a consultant and has said many times, that most who are Doctors or Junior Doctors should not be in the profession! She has no time for strikes created by these hypocrites!
The new self-entitled breed of poorly educated, badly trained, incompetent British medics.
Thats a symptom of lack of investment in wages.. in order to make up numbers the barrier to entry gets lowered, we're seeing it the same in so many other areas of the public sector.
@@jack_irl The number of medical school places has increased from 5000 to 8000 since the 1980s hence the entry requirements have been systematically lowered to allow 3000 extra students to become doctors who in years gone by would not have made the grade.
@@jack_irlLoad of shite
Privatise the NHS, simple !!! Stop all the 3rd Wotld scumbags using it for free. You should only have access to it if you have paid into the system for 5 years. Up until that time, you have to have private health insurance.
£25bn the NHS paid in compensation because of negligence and possibly strikes. There's the pay rise. The amount of waste within the NHS is shocking.
"possibly strikes" - stop lying you pathetic waste of space.
Yep - I have had call to interact with the NHS several times over the past few years. Almost without exception I have had issues with inefficiency, jobsworth staff and downright incompetence.
The NHS budget has ballooned from £131bn in 2010 to £181bn today - a 38% increase (and that doesn't include the £88bn cash injection it got during covid either). Sort the inefficiency and wasters out before you come asking the tax payer for even more money.
It’s because the dr’s ain’t trained properly, like this woman is saying
@@eljay5009Agree it’s not underfunded it’s just poorly spent
@@kevincarr365 then they shouldn't be anywhere near patients. It's not the government that trains these folk to become doctors. The knowledge of medicine has existed for centuries and it isn't lost. I'd say it's down to the wrong sort of trainee. You know, the ones that will strike over ridiculous pay demands than rather treat patients. The sort who turn into GPs and are loathe to see their patients.
You see, it isn't all one sided.
There was a time when the doctor came to your house and treated you.
She's a politician... can't answer a simple question
She’s not a Politician…she’s a Doctor
She isn't allowed to answer. Those males TALK OVER HER. Tell those nutsacks to shutup and let HER SPEAK WITHOUT INTERRUPTION!
@@dodgynumber7533 She's a narcissist.
no no these hosts are plebs fking no clue what happens in the NHS.
@@dodgynumber7533 So the OP missed the word 'like' - she's like a politician. And she did sound more like a politician than a doctor.
Too many people using the NHS that don’t pay anything towards it!!
Definitely the case! Thousands come to the UK each year, get the timing right when pregnant and you just fly in.
Next step gets you into a BIG London hospital, 12 days + in then let out to go home, no questions like NHS registration or payment. Just another expense written off. Unpaid bill never paid, another £12,000 lost ( stolen ).
NHS STAFF Don,t give a dam. Not surprising no money to pay junior doctors.
How about a 50% up front or arrest/deportation to country of choice!!!
This girl is on another planet, £60;000 after Tax is still a substantial amount of money even after deductions, the NHS needs to be run by Business people, END OF…
My sister in law not long after becoming a GP in London decided to move to the countryside. The NHS paid her rent whilst she house hunted and storage for her belongings , about a year. That was a time when London was offerìng incentives for GPs to relocate there. She found a rural practice, a few hours per day. It's no surprise that the NHS Is always in trouble.
Disgusting....
NO WAY these 'junior doctors' deserve this pay rise ! Currently i have a relative in hospital, and imo the Dr's are a disgrace !! they have no idea what they are doing, she cant walk unassisted , she has been bedbound for the last 4 MONTHS, they are now threatening to send her home , they were telling us she was going to get a course of Physiotherapy 3-4 times a week, so far she has received 3 times in 4 MONTHS !!!
junior doctors earn the same as someone woking in a supermarket or a coffee shop, Please explain how that makes any sense?
because they are juniors, not rocket science is it @@erertertert44
Moral of the story . . . Don't get ill in England 😢
The junior doctor who lives in the flat below me can afford to run two cars, one of which is a Mercedes, so I don't know what he's doing that she isn't.
This doctor is proof that they are more concerned with money than the patients they supposed to be caring for, people are dying and all she is concerned with is the pay. Everyone knows being a doctor at a hospital isn't an easy job and pay isn't fantastic, then if you can't handle that don't be a doctor do something else. These junior doctor also do private care work so they make extra there etc.
Junior doctors are by definition "junior"...They are not consultants or surgeons ...They work their way up to that level and reap the rewards accordingly... A pcso doesn't earn as much as a chief inspector for obvious reasons....same principle 🤔
Not messaged in ages Emma so hope you are well and have had a good start to 2024🇬🇧x
Why shouldn’t doctors be rewarded for the difficult work that they do?.
@@graham2167 they are rewarded, as they climb firther up the ladder.
All very clearly laid out before they decided to commit, so let flip it.
Why SHOULDNT they just do what every other generation of doctors did and "struggle" on 25-40k (struggle, my arse...) before earning their 6 figure salaries when qualified?
How would you feel if you employed builders to extend your home, and once they'd gutted it they said right, were going on strike til you pay up another 35%...
I know how you'd feel then, when YOU lost out...
That's just the point though, isn't it? They can't handle being doctors due to the poor management and chronic underfunding of the NHS. So they are leaving - leaving in droves. Right? So they will keep leaving, as you have suggested. It's happening every day. Eventually, when there are no doctors left - because they have taken on board your sage advice - what is going to be your own solution to that ensuing crisis?
@@paradisekohchangstyle2150 Then if they can't handle it, they shouldn't have become doctors, as the saying goes if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. The strikes are risking more lives, the that's the real risk,.it's not about conditions it's all about money, if it wasn't they wouldn't be asking for a high amount that they will never get.
"Is that before or after tax" Haha this woman must be a comedian.
None of these people should be allowed tontake the hyppocratic oath . I believe it says " DO NO HARM " .
Oaths are a waste of time with man, because man lies.
The bma ditched the hypocratic oath YEARS ago
60k is good enough for any junior doctor......
Good enough to pay for overseas holidays
Years ago, Tony Blair announced he was going to increase the numbers of hospital managers. Then, on BBC's Today programme, the Health Secretary announced how the NHS was so lucky because there was now 1 manager for every 2 patients. I can't remember the year or the Health Secretarys name but I do remember, very clearly, those figures - I was a working nurse then and have never forgotten.
James, I'm so sorry to hear about your wife being left in A&E for 12 hours! The NHS has fallen and should be disbanded and replaced at this stage, pure insanity!
She was only there 2 hours. The other 10 was her taking time away from him chatting absolutely crap.
I don’t believe this narcissistic blowhards wife had a appendix that was about to burst was left in the A& E for 12 hours .
Why has she turned up in her uniform? If she was in the fire service would she be in her helmet?
show off
I remember being in hospital years ago after an acute asthma attack. I ended up in a room with an ensuite. It was great. The thing is, after a full day in there, I was okay and wanted to go home. But for some reason, they wouldn't let me go. Then, after three days, they said I could go. While waiting for a taxi, I spoke with the nurses and asked whether they had someone lined up for my room. They told me to keep quiet. They didn't want anyone knowing the room was empty because that would mean they have to do more work. I was shocked
As soon as she refers to a Pandemic I know she is deluded!
I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by propaganda, spiritually starving, hysterical, naked.
Literally thinking the same about you dummy.
@@SMacCuUladhthey may be educated but doesn't mean they are intelligent. To think they still believe it and endorse the vax
Plandemic not pandemic.
@@briandoherty3249 planned by whom?
From my personal experience there is a fortune wasted throughout the NHS . Doctors and nurses earn their money it’s the middle management that are the problem .
NHS is mostly a money laundering operation between the tax payers and the drug suppliers and medical equipment suppliers and their shareholders. The patients are the vehicle in between to provide justification for the transfer of wealth. I worked in the NHS for almost 20 years.
People keep blaming the middle management. The tory govt has made the NHS exactly how it is and their mission is to make it worse.
I've seen some useless mechanics. AND i've seen some utterly useless doctors. These aren't the caring people of years ago. Modern day greedy people.
@@toke7560
So, you found some tories, then.
Definitely. Our place employs a 'Manager of Managers' to corral all the managers in one place and manager them.
She is so delude! If 60k per year Gross- Net Take home £3,717 per month. Stop moaning and do some work for a change.
Also deduct pension and student loan
@@kla1907 We are all paying that as well and from less salary than £3,717. So get a life! Ps: some people don’t pay into a pension because they earn way less than that amount.
You dont need 60k+ to afford lunch. Bread and jam doesn’t cost a lot.
Lol
Id love to see these doctors p60 and see how much they really earn.
They don’t earn it - they are paid it.
@@taffyterrierwell they do earn it because they’re working they’re not getting paid for nothing are they
@@Dollybird198 As they are overpaid the salary is not earned.
@@Dollybird198 I can see that YOU are missing the point again! 💩
The NHS is broken because of all the management. Moore chiefs who are being payed high amounts whilst nurses and doctors are worn out. We need more nurses and doctors. We can’t encourage doctors and nurses and doctors if they are worked to death and if they go to other countries they have better working situations. I can see both sides. The whole system needs sorting.
It won't get sorted as long as the borders remain open and the management swamp isn't drained.
it's broken because of politics and woke lunacy.
The thing is its doctors in the management that screw it up
What borders are you on about? @@goodyeoman4534
It's broken because of Brexit and Boris Johnson. Tories haven't invested in the NHS, which is a Labour idea.
@@joycegibbs5267
Sickness has killed off the NHS,but always come back when their sickness money runs out!😢
Totally agree with James. Dr Mukherjee knows so little about how things work, it's sad. Less money and fewer managers would probably be a good thing for NHS
There’s bound to be more pressure put on these doctors with the amount of immigration into this country. We need more hospitals and doctors.
By giving these junior doctor’s more money isn’t going to help their workload.
I’d say stop importing more patients. But that’s just me 🤷🏼♀️
Stop blaming all government failures and greedy, lazy Doctors on immigrants, it's absolute nonsense
Wait till all the Palestinians start flooding in.
More money might not lighten the workload but it is a motivator to keep going under a terrible workload. Isn't that why we pay garbage men so much...., because the compensation makes up for the crappy work, otherwise no one would do it.
@@lizliz4186 I'm not so sure. Because whenever inflation rises, they'll think they can just go on strike again until they get a pay rise.
I remember when doctors were healers, would come to your house, you trusted them with your families health, looked up to them. Have heard it said it is because our new doctors have been pushed into the medical profession because of status, money, it’s not working for most people
I work 2 jobs 7 days a week in security and as a Doorman, did you know for our cash and transit jobs to be employed you can not have bad credit or debt? they also get paid around 25K - 30K, your telling me they can do it on half of the wage these woke NHS managers get but they want more money? Hit the road with that B.S
My partner has been very ill recently, thank goodness it seems to have been viral and he's now properly on the road to recovery - at home! He spent three days in hospital, in isolation, on a drip. My advice, NEVER be admitted as an emergency on a Friday afternoon. You will only see the admitting doctor in A&E and then not one single glimpse of a doctor in any shape or form, until the Monday! Your only hope is that the nursing staff keep you going until finally you can stagger back home. They did all that they could without the intervention of a doctor once he reached the isolation ward/room. So, where were all the doctors then? Working weekdays and then partying at the weekends? I have NO sympathy at all with them.
Got to laugh at Whale telling her to calm down when he is almost foaming at the mouth 🤣
yep he out of order right wing angry old man
I know, Whale is a revolting man.
Junior doctors only earn less than national average (about £33k) in their first year.
Then every year they have a large rise. By year 5 they're at £56k, which puts them in to top 10% of salary earners. By the end of training they're in the top 3% of earners. They never face redundancy and can pretty much move where they like in the country.
They argue about the hours, but 1 in 5 are training only part time (on LTFT contracts), legally they're not obliged to work more than 40 hours, and if they feel they're overworked then giving them more money won't change that
We need doctors in Canada. They will make twice that much. Four times that much in the USA. No wonder you people can’t get doctors.
@@gcanada3005 @gcanada3005 we have no problem getting doctors. The government limits the number of juniors very closely.
If all these ungrateful juniors on strike want to leave then as soon as they're gone theyll be replaced. Canada is welcome to them.
There must be a reason you're desperate for doctors, eh ? If the pay and conditions are so good there, how come you're struggling to get them ?
@@chefineer Every country is struggling to get them. It looks like everyone has noticed but you. COVID combined with baby boomers retiring has led to a shortage everywhere. You probably think teachers and nurses shouldn’t be able to keep up with inflation also . When your government intentionally staggers wages in the public sector for years while reducing taxes on corporations and wealthy this is what you get. People get fed up. Please send those doctors here. It will make your situation even worse. Something a simpleton obviously cannot understand
The details of junior doctors pay are contained in the Pay and Conditions Circular which is available to download online.
According to that, the basic pay grades for Junior Doctors goes from £32, 398 to £63,152. However there are many additions to this. For example, on call availability can add between £2,592 and £5,063 to their basic. They also get weekend allowances which range from an additional £1000 up to almost £9,300 depending on how many weekends they are prepared to work. There are other top ups available too.
Then you have the blue light scheme, which gives NHS staff and other emergency workers access to discounts on good and services that are typically not available to people working int he private sector. These discounts are on everything from new cars, mobile phone contracts, energy bills, mortgages, food, entertainment etc - and can range from 10% to over 50%. An NHS worker utilising this service to it's maximum potential could probably boost their effective spending power by 20% or more.
Then you have to factor their pension. NHS pension is estimated to pay out around £5.57 for every £1 payed in (compared to £1.75 for every £1 in atypical private sector pension). That means somebody working in the private sector on the same salary as a junior doctor would have to sacrifice 3x as much of their salary to attain the same pension.
@@gcanada3005 @gcanada3005 if £60k isnt enough now when their training, then they certainly wont be happy with £100000 after qualifying.
Im from a medical family and none of us has any respect for striking juniors.
£60k a year is a decent wage if you don't live in London / South East. £60k is more than enough to afford food. Simple as that. If you are a Junior Doctor in London and the South East I think maybe an 8% pay rise is justified. Elsewhere....you can easily afford a home on your single Doctor's wage.
They are being very dishonest. Because after the first year their pay increases dramatically. After 10 years they will easily earn 200-500k depending on where they work.
The ‘caring’ profession !!!!!!!
Believe me NHS Scotland is in a mess. I had to use my savings to pay £13K for a shoulder replacement. NHS surgeon said my useless painful arm just needed GP injections. I’m 76 and paid full Nat Ins for 43 years. I lived in England and worked for 25yrs. If Scotland gets independence I’ll be heading south. It’s noticeably a shambles on all fronts since last I lived here.
£65,000..is that before tax?….And she kept a straight face! Love it 🤣😂
Council chiefs £125,000 a year , No 5 years training, no night shifts, no weekends, no £100,000 student loan, cutting back on council services, early retirement on FULL pension OH and no life saving skills to be called on instantly 24/7 , which one do you want looking out for you in A and E or setting little johnys broken arm ?
@@davian68 Why do you suppose I think Council chiefs are worth their money?
Compare with train drivers?
Greedy. If you don't like the pay, do something else. Don't put people at risk because of your greed.
Yeh thats one of the reasons why there is a shortage. They dont't like the pay. If more Drs leave then obviously will be harder to get appointments. Why study for a minimum of 5-6 years with huge amount of debt. Then every year keep paying registration fees and for courses. Work long hours under stressful conditions then have a crap wage.
Aldi staff pay seemed to be decent and thats without the debt for loans. Tube drivers on 50k a year with no debt either.
Universities have 9k tuition fees a year. Add on to that accommodation / food / bills as well as a normal life and you are paying it back for yeara
That is why there are PAs now
Totally agree 👍
Go to food banks is an utter lie. l want one doctor to prove to me and the country that they are using food banks
The NHS is not underfunded at all!
The sheeple beg to differ.
Of course. But it ain't going on frontline services.
@@taffyterrierit isn’t underfunded. Money poorly spent. Reduce sick pay and attendance will increase overnight.
@@BunyanaRed1958 Oh yes it is - NHS doctors are among the highest paid in Europe.
The sheeple would beg to differ.
Woman if you’re not happy to work with NHS, then go out.
Rude man. I think the NHS repped themselves VERY well !!!
That is a woman who has had her parents buy her everyhing she has ever wanted.
These young doctors should remebmer their oath "Do No Harm". Going on strike will inevitably cause harm!
They don't take the Hippocratic oath any more, have not done so for a very long time.
I started nursing in 1965 and finally retired in 2012. I saw the way it gradually went down hill, slowly but surely. I have zero sympathy for any medical person who goes on strike. People in the NHS no longer have the same dedication, and respect for the institution that they use to have. It makes me so sad.
Blair and Brown were largely responsible.
well said
Thank you I'm watching my daughter going through stage 2 cancer now spread to her bladder 😢
so true. You can tell they don't really care about the patients and institution, it's politics now. My cousins partner, (who's a consultant), left because of it, he couldn't stand the ridiculousness of it.
@@dixie3058 praying for her.
that`s tough, £60,000 a year no wonder he can`t afford a lunch. this woman is dilusional.
Defund the RNLI - the Lifeboat charity is the ferry service for illegals coming to the UK. That may result in a few weekend power boat types capsizing but no help coming - what's not to like?
The reason Xmas and new year are dire is because drs are off skiing. The nhs is run on skeleton staff every weekend as drs don’t work weekends.
This is FACTS.
She doesn't want to hear because she doesn't care. That's the real problem.
Typical know it all ignorant doctor. They often have that attitude.
Open your ears and listen to her words
I noticed how her eyes didn't change at all when the host mentioned he had terminal cancer. It's clear she's motivated by greed. Working with another F1 and having a consultant with you on the ward is bloody great, so not sure why she felt "under-staffed".
@@goodyeoman4534you're talking absolute nonsense
Yeah I noticed it too, no empathy.
James asks her point of view, before she could say anything he talks over her. 😂
WE should be supporting all of our Doctors and Nurses, regardless of strikes. Our NHS is on its knees, through bad Government, Tories and Labour, we need a Peoples NHS.
They should all be made to do manual labour jobs for a few months at £11 per hour they'll soon go back to the NHS without complaining they're hard done by
She wants more money from the pot, whilst saying we need more doctors. This woman is delusional.
that's our useless "education" system for you !!
The management is earning a fortune for doing sod all
I thought she was implying that there are no doctors to recruit because they take opportunities elsewhere
@SusanaXpeace2u she did say that also but I think if there were enough doctors they wouldn't ask or need a pay rise for me its one or the other
We need both ,dr paid fairly and more drs .
I was at A+E last week with a bleed behind my eye and blood pressure through the roof after over 500 calls to my doctors surgery and could not get through , it was contantly engaged, , the waiting room was chaotic , only one patient per hour was called through and yet there were countless doctors and nurses floating about behind the doors , Ive no idea what they were doing, all seemed to be hanging about doing nothing , I waited 9 hours
If anything doctors are overpaid. My cousin was on 83k as a consultant and has dropped to 25 hours a week because she wants more free time. She’s now on 60k. If you go to a golf course during the week nearly every other person playing is a doctor.
I spent a very pleasant lunch time a few years ago in conversation with two German Doctors, father and son, the father was a GP who had to remain at work until his waiting room was empty. He didn't come in at 10, do 4 hours work, take a 2 hour lunch break and then come in for 2 hours in the afternoon.
Do you realise how effective the German system is? Worlds from what the UK has
@@grazynakawka8585 and still free at the point of use, though they do pay more for it, it is NOT the money that makes it good.
I'm old enough to remember when the NHS was new. It wasn't long after the war and we were a country virtually bankrupt. But we managed to budget the NHS in a far superior way than today. No appointments were required, you didn't even need to give your name to the GP receptionist. You just took your turn in the queue. After some hospitalisation you even got sent to a convalescence hospital in the countryside. How could we afford that then? And why can't we now? Immigrants that's why.
There were way less old people as well
I agree that a lot of the top clinicians are from Asia and Middle East and this has been the case for decades. However, can you perhaps explain why the native of this once great NHS are not becoming doctors since the days you talk of in this country?
and anything white people did was bad or colonialist so was got rid of !!
@@Eric76I believe they are but they go overseas.
Quite simply, the breadth of service and options weren't offered. No transplants, no plastic surgery, very limited prescription medicines, the list goes on and on. Also the status and pay of Doctors was much higher in those days. The NHS bares no resemblance to its founding past. I'm not quite as old as you, but can remember how basic the service was even in the 1960s and 70s
The real problem is there are too many people in the Country,. you can't let millions of legal and illegal migrants into this small Country and serve the Country with what you have in the way of hospitals, Doctors, and Nurses, it's impossible. Also many who come in and are being treated have not paid a penny into the NHS.
If junior. Doctors are on £60,000 a year ,where is the problem,why go on strike. Just do the best you can. Going on strike doesn’t help . You Junior doctor are helping no one going on strike. People should NOT be sacrificed because you want to strike for more money. What happened to the dedicated calling. By the way the majority of workers manage to live and pay their bills on about half of what you junior Doctors earn.
You go to university or college to go into nursing knowing what your gonna earn then moan its not enough😂😂
So you're happy to have the goal posts moved.
Wasn't about the money. But the bullying, assault, teasing etc I was a nurse in rural australia
@@esm7708 I think you take a job which you will benefit from not one you dont
@@dubbula that is to do with not having protection for staff which they deserve
@@nigeisfree7837 so training to be a doctor takes a long time so feasibly in that time terms and conditions can change over the course.
They have a legal right to collectively bargain to maintain and improve their conditions.
By the way she is a doctor not a nurse. Women can be doctors.
Doctors are greedy. In my town the specialists drive Mercedes and Range Rovers. The GPs refuse to work after hours or at weekends and barely engage with their patients. Both specialists and GPs send their children to private schools, their families and themselves to private hospitals, and are part of an increasing inequitable wealth divide. The university system has set them up to expect high wages, wealth, high status and to work a 9-5 weekly job. It is disgusting and tax payers are paying. Meanwhile our public hospitals are at breaking point.
Many people in my country become doctor because of high status in social and wealth, They let people dead in front of hospital becase he is poor.
Superstar doctors
Poorly educated young Lads who kick a lump of plastic around a field for 90 minutes a week also drive Mercs and Range Rovers. If you dislike Doctors that much, next time you are seriously I'll, call a non greedy person to tend to you instead.
I have met some amazing doctors. She is definitely not one. Didn't even show any compassion when the host told he he has terminal cancer.
@@Chitapool Doctors are amongst the best paid people in the country, not as well paid as footballers but they aren't paid for by the Tax payers and people have a choice about whether or not they want to pay them that amount.
Nurses are paid more than the average joe, by quite a large margin (even before their pay deal). Junior Doctors have had it rough recently, but are still headed towards wealth that most of us can only dream of. The strike is the equivalent of kicking a sick many while he is on the operating table (quite literally).
At 60K a year? even after tax, food is still affortable.
NHS is finished! Just like the country. Glad I'm on my way out
Suffered my 5th heart attack in september, saw triage after 35 minutes of being stood around, then placed into a waiting room with 6 other people, all waiting to be seen by doctors for 4 and a half hours. Asked a nurse how long it would take to be seen, to be told 'i'm not here to answer questions', with that i left the hospital.
She was crowned Miss England in 2019 and is a model. Why does she need to work as a doctor?
Gosh, could they have interrupted her more? These men have completely failed to see the point.
What point?
If you on 60k year using food bank must have bad cocaine addiction
People are dying because of these strikes end of chat
And the junior doctors know this and are using this as leverage to get what they want
Disgusting
Avoidable deaths were increasing before strikes. Wake up
Well said 👏 woke liberals to blame
@@nicolashardlow2347The Tories are responsible, Nick. They've been in power fifteen years.
Do they want more doctors in the hospital or more salary per currently existing doctors? Not sure if she was clear.
She believes in the magic money tree. To paraphrase her "It's not the taxpayers who have to pay for our outrageous demands, it's the government."!!!
My Father used to work for B. Rail. He told me that once he had the job of putting up a couple of coat hooks in a station waiting room. A person had to travel to the station and make a list of what was required ( hooks and screws etc etc ) Then someone had to cost the items. Then someone had to get the items out of the stores. Only then did my Father get to go to the station and put the hooks up. It took most of the day.
I expect that is similar to the NHS.