Can You Cast Oil in Resin ?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- On this episode of Ben's Worx I attempt to cast oil.
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The freezing temperature of most cooking oils is about -10c (14f), so it can solidify in a freezer but it'll melt super fast when taken out. You'd have to do a little bit more work to set it up, but maybe try freezing the oil in something like liquid nitrogen? (alternatively, you can put dry ice in isopropyl alcohol and that'll get extremely cold too)
I was going to say, he's going to have to get it a lot colder than a normal freezer is capable of.
Oil tends not to freeze so I thought.
Was thinking same thing. Dry ice to freeze it more solid.
Coconut oil is solid at ~70°F, freeze that & hope for more time handling it, but just the warmth of you skin will start melting it!
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Get the temp much lower and maybe handle it with tongs, instead of your warm hands.
When you take the ball out of the freezer, put ice in a bowl and bury your ball mold in the ice, then when you are waiting for the resin to heat up, the ball is right there at arms reach. Even if you take the frozen ball out of the mold, still keep it in the ice until the mold and resin are ready.
Liquid nitrogen?
@@GrimOfDonuts not everyone can easily go out and buy liquid nitrogen.
unfortunatly ice is 10 degrees F higher temperature than the cooking oil. This would slow the melting process down, but he needs something colder than water ice.
@@akunog3665 adding salt to the ice would help but then it would be part of the ball
@@texanasimmons1761 yes, but with a bowl of isopropyl alcohol and a chunk of dry ice or 2 the alcohol will be at -130 deg F. This is the bath the oil ball should be frozen in, assuming he does not have access to liquid nitrogen.
I feel like there are a lot of established methods for getting liquid cores in dice, and it makes me wonder if you could cast a sphere with a void inside, fill that, seal it, then cast resin around it, so you don't have to deal with the problem of it melting while trying to insert it.
This. Create an ice ball, "paint" it with resin, drain it, and fill it with anything you like. Should be easier and cleaner than trying to have it inside hot curing resin.
That's what I always think of when I watch those videos.
The freezing point of canola oil is -10°C / 14°F. It should be easier with peanut oil which has a freezing point of 3°C / 37°F.
...and I'll bet adding a bit of coconut oil would raise that even higher.
@ragin Caucasian it's peanut oil not water
@ragin Caucasian Some fats are solid at room temperature, like coconut oil.
@ragin Caucasian I don't understand where the water came from. If you're using peanut oil or coconut oil the amount of water in there is negligible or nonexistent. Now, if you were using butter or margarine, that would be a different story. The point is, if Ben puts peanut oil or coconut oil in his little modified ball gag and throws it in the freezer, he's going to have a better time of it because it won't start melting like crazy in his hands like the canola. The canola could work better too, if he dropped the temp to an industrial -17C, or used liquid nitrogen.
Here's a thought: I think the word 'frozen' is the confusing issue. Just think of it as converting a material from it's liquid form to it's solid form. Most metals are solid at room temperature. Are they frozen? I suppose so but it doesn't sound right.
@ragin Caucasian Well I asked a doctor about that once and without getting too technical he said I have what's called a "sense of humour". He offered some remedies like studying very unfunny subjects, but my deep dive into philosophy only heightened my absurdist behaviours. Becoming a parent was another attempt at curing it, but instead of having my humour burned out of me I have developed a never-ending stream of dad jokes. Perhaps senescence or dementia is the next step to ridding myself of this malady, we shall see.
I saw "frozen oil" and I was like, "oh dear..."
I've done frozen ice cubes of oil mixed with herbs before for cooking, and those things were so hard to get out! Great for a quick saute, probably not so much for resin.
Idea: coat your mold with that UV resin you're always using. Then pour your oil in and try to plug the top hole with more UV resin.
Instead of trying to plug the top while the oil is liquid, freeze the oil then seal the hole with the uv resin.
Or cast around another material melt it out, then pour the oil in then cap it off like that
Wouldn't the resin stick to the iceball mold?
Don't forget some mold release, that way it's easier to get it out of the mold without damaging either the mold or the resin.
This is why I love watching your videos, you show the project even when it doesn’t come out perfect or the way you wanted. I don’t wish for you to fail, but the fact that we get to see the triumphs and the not so perfect ones shows me your in it because you love what you do!! Thanks for all the hard work! And maybe try olive oil, I usually freeze it into ice cubes so I can pop them out and use just what I need, and it works really well.
Hey Ben,
What if you roto cast the resin, let it set with a small fill hole. Then pour the oil into the resin and freeze. Then cap off the top with uv resin.
That should keep the oil in place and avoid heat of the resin melting the oil.
I think this might work
I was gonna say, there must be some way to utilize UV resin that would make this easier. I definitely think this is the way to go!
I think this might work too
This idea is better than what I suggested 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
How about this process:
- cast a paraffin wax ball
- melt it away to get a void space with a small hole for filling
- pour the oil in
- freeze
- pour the resin on the top of the frozen oil
I still think it turned out pretty cool. Almost looks like a flat-ish flower. Love the idea
Thanks Angie
It’s fine if you fail. In fact it’s good to fail every once and a while. That’s were we tend to learn the most.
Yeah, don't like the term 'fail'. This is Artistic Expression. Keep a journal, learn from everything. ;)
Suchexperiments get even more exiting when knowing they may fail.
I wonder what would happen if you did a base layer and a "top layer" for the cast? Do the base layer, pour in the middle layer submerge the ball/object when the resin is ready, and drop in a resin disk to act as that top layer, trapping everything underneath it. It would stop the ball from rising and might help keep it centered in the cast?
I was thinking the same thing about a top layer as it looked like the base layer had drifted to the top in the first attempt and thats y he thought it had suddenly set and was haveing trouble getting it in.
As already mentioned so I’m not really adding anything but you need to bring the oils temp down lower then a fridge freezer is capable of. As noted -10 to -11 Deg C is the freezing point and most fridges can get to around -18 to -21 C.
Maybe get some liquid nitrogen or dry ice. Super freeze the oil then take it out of the mould and referees it to have it ready when the resin just about reaches its set point.
As usual I’d like to say I’m probably wrong but hey, who knows.
Definitely gonna recommend putting it in dry ice and isopropyl alcohol. That'll get it waaaaaaaaaaay colder and actually rock hard.
I think coconut oil would work pretty well. It solidifies around room temperature and if you get it filtered is almost clear. The only problem would be getting it warm enough to get the snow globe effect after the resin is cured.
even though it was a fail it still looks amazing. i like the shape it made in the resin when it was cooling
Dude. It literally made my month that you quoted my comment about the resin in the bottom first. I don’t know if other people recommended the same thing I did but I’m still taking it personally since you liked my comment on the last video. You’re awesome man.
Thanks Mate, yep it was all you 😊👍
When I was little and made homemade snow globes we always put some glycerin into the water about 1/3rd of the total volume. This helped keep the glitter in suspension
I just want to say really quick that I think it's amazing that you take the time to read some of our comments and actually do what some of the people suggest. Keep up the good work and I always enjoy your videos
I wouldn’t call it a fail, it was an awesome experiment! They can’t all come out perfect the first time.
Agreed, it's not a real failure if you learn from it. And here we learned frozen cooking oil melts really fast XD
Baby oil works really well. I use it in nail art making snow globes for a Christmas set.
I've seen (not resin) snowglobes made with liquid glycerin - it has the same thicknes as oil, but It's clear... I have no idea if you can freeze it or not... 😁
Love your videos btw! 😎👍
As someone who vapes, and smokes a ton of weed, I was curious when I learned that vegetable glycerin won’t freeze, so I loaded my bong with vg and froze it overnight. Pulled my bong out in the morning and packed a bowl and smoked it through the icy cold liquid vegetable glycerin and enjoyed the smoothest smoke ever. TLDR, glycerin doesn’t freeze.
Thankyou
But it might work if you put just a little glycerin in the water. You don't need much mixed in with the water to slow down the glitter. We used to make those calming jars full of glitter for our kids to watch. Glycerin or clear school glue mixed in the water were our go to.
@@DrPWNS-fz6yh It does freeze, but takes approximately -40° (your choice at that temp, C or F!)
@@UncleKennysPlace by “won’t freeze” I meant at home freezer temps, lol, everything has a freezing point, lol
Watching your experiments are really fun, thanks for sharing them!
Here’s my idea for what to try for the next snow globe: Fill the mold with colored water, plug the hole with something you can remove like a cork. Partially freeze it, remove the plug (or drill a hole) and dump out the water from the middle. Add in your duck, glitter and oil. Freeze again. This should give you a sphere of ice with oil in the center that you can cast in resin. When both melt, you’ll have 2 different densities of liquid so your duck will float along with the glitter.
Loved it as usual, love hanging out with ya and learning
Thanks Mate
I didn't know oil would freeze in a standard freezer temp so I learned something today: thanks!
Ben, I haven't even watched the vid yet, but I just wanted to say quickly that you're insane, and I love that you push the envelope where others don't.
If you dont fail then you never try. I thought it was a great learning process. thank you.
Aww it kinda looked like a little rose to me. Very cool!
I am living for the experiments! So much fun even if they’re a fail
Looks like someone lost an ear
Two videos in a week. Your spoiling us Ben. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Mate
Nice work, as always love the experiment. Maybe try packing dry ice around the ball when you put it in the freezer. 👍🙂
Wow that was crazy how the oil melted so fast but I love that the oil left a weird shape. Great job maybe mineral oil is the way to go because motor oil I don't think would freeze in the freezer 🤔
That was so interesting! Thanks for sharing! I look forward to people who know oil a lot better than me giving ideas and seeing you explore more.
This was a good learning experience. You can now think of other ways to try this. Plus with all the comments that share their thoughts, advice, and encouragement you will find a way to make it. Enjoyed the show. Look forward to the next one.
Thanks Kim
good idea. you didn't fail, you just discovered another way not to do it. definitely experiment with different oils.
on a separate note i've a few ideas. 1. mercury in resin 2. magnetic ferro fluid & you could use magnets to influence the shape. i think you could do some really cool stuff with it
Hi Ben, another cool experiment. Have a good day. Take Care
Thanks Rose
It looks like plenty of other people thought of the idea of adding another key word (liquid nitrogen) to the mix in an attempt to go viral though some of the other comments helped me think up a few different unique designs for some snow globe style resin pieces with different characteristics! If he does the liquid nitrogen thing then "Ben casts things in RESIN that are frozen in LIQUID NITROGEN that are then turned on his LATHE for his MAKER channel!
I saw someone recommending the addition of some thing like coconut oil (melts at 25°C or 78°F) to mineral oil (melts at -4°C or 24°F) to raise the temperature it melts at up a few degrees above freezing in order to make a frozen oil ball that is easier to handle. But why stop there at freezing, that made me realize that you could make the oil melt at any temperature between -4 and 25°C just by mixing the two oils. You could design it to be liquid at whatever temperature you keep your house at but even cooler, you could make it solid at room temperature but designed so you can see what's inside just by picking it up and using the heat from your hands to melt the coconut oil from a white solid into a clear liquid that reveals the insides! If you think about it, the higher the melting temperature of the oil the easier it will be to make so freezing coconut oil with liquid nitrogen should be the easiest!
I imagine you creating a tiny scene out of resin and like grass surrounding a pond with some swans, a tiny boat and a cherry tree covered in blossoms (maybe wire wrapped then painted in colored resin) right on the side and a little weight on the bottom. If you stuck that into the coconut oil before freezing it you could create a scene that looks like you thaw the blizzard of winter with the warmth of your hands revealing the spring scene!
Since most snow globes have clear globes, you don't need to worry about color matching different resin parts if you make a little structure out of resin to secure the ball of frozen oil in place. I would make a horizontal ring that was held securely in the middle of the cup then anchored to a layer in the base of the cup. A better support structure will keep the oil ball centered better allowing you to make the resin globe you turn on the lathe thinner so the coconut oil can melt faster when you hold it!
Melting the coconut oil before freezing it will help to get any air bubbles out. Maybe throw the warm coconut oil in the vacuum chamber too just to see if anything happens while you are at it. You might also be able to put the whole cast in the pressure pot to remove any air bubbles that get into it to help keep the oil cavity round. Good luck and hope this gives you an idea too!
Great video as always Ben keep up the great work I loved the end product
Thanks Mate
Thank you for the bonus video! 😁
I really enjoy these experiments. They are really interesting and fun.
Yeah, Canola oils has a very low melting temp. Might want to try something like peanut oil. Anything above that it'll just be a solid block of oil unless it's kept warm. But I mean, if you have a way to heat it (like some kind of heat producing lamp), it could be a feature for something like coconut oil where the point is to watch it slowly melt over time (maybe like a nightlight situation?)
BEN my long lost brother! I thought those things only happened to me🤣! Waiting for the right time ... then ...bam it's gone. How about create a dome hollow it out make base with object...fill ...attach base to dome. Love your projects.
😂 Thanks Mate
This wasn't a failure!!! This was actually a success. You proved that you could use the oil in the resin 💯👌🏻 now we gotta find the right oil to do this with. And tbh, why not try a mix of Water and Elmer's glue? It makes a thick, clear liquid that suspends glitter extremely well. I use it to make Glitter Jars 😁
This was a great learning experience. If you decide to try canola oil again, perhaps try keeping the ball of oil in an ice bath after removing it from the freezer before dropping it in the resin. Did you consider placing it on the cured base layer and then pouring the rising around it? Or there's a seaweed compound that's easy to make that was make a splash a few years ago which created an edible water bottle. It was clear. Might be something to consider.
Love your videos!!! We really enjoy the way you show working through your creative process!
Thanks Heather
You need an oil that is solid at room temp. I would try coconut oil. Also use cold tongs to handle it because the heat from your hands will melt the oil. You could also try vegetable glycerine. It will freeze and it will keep the glitter suspended like the oil.
Probably the better way to do it is tto make up a small amount of resin, pour ity into the ball and swish it around to coat the inside, when you have a thick enough coating, pour out the rest (a bit like how they mould china teapots), fill with oil and seal the hole, hopefully the ball shape will disappear when fully cast
Also a useful tip for liquids that won't freeze easily or those that change composition when frozen (bubbles etc)
I've been waiting for this project!!
Even if it ended it failure, definitely a good attempt. I'd say do some more test runs with other oils, and maybe try supercooling the oil too, like some others have said.
Wow that was a fast melter! Didn’t see that coming! Amazing how you were still able to pull it off. Not the result you were after but I thought all the oil was going to leak out. I’d say it’s a half win 🤩💯💯 Definitely not a fail. Write it down for future experiments 🧫
I think what might work is making the mold for freezing the oil in out of resin itself so you could encase the entire thing in resin oppose to trying to pop out the frozen oil and having it melt so fast plus it should look more uniform
I don’t know how I made it to resin TH-cam but I love it
I have no idea how to make it better, but I guess if you keep at it you will get there! Good job.
When the ball is in, I think you’re deep enough! 🤣
Timing is everything, but thats a really small window to get it wright!...sweet experiment as always!...keep it up!
Looks like a jellyfish , pretty cool.
perhaps making your own 2 part resin mould, that you can 3/4 fill each half freeze then use uv resin to glue together.
I love that you will try anything in resin and I love your videos
1:20am here. Need to be up at 7am... but I can’t resist your videos :) so interesting!!
If you use coconut oil it would be solid and white at room temperature but transparent and liquid if you leave it in the sun! Mixed with floating particles would look pretty awesome!
Maybe do some research on what oils freeze the best and experiment with a few different kind. I would definitely go with a clear oil, and one that freezes better. I love the idea! You have some pretty clever subscribers. Love your work!!
Thankyou
Super cool the oil with a mixture of dry ice and rubbing alcohol.
I was hopeful, but not too surprised that working with oil is proving considerably more challenging. Need to research more on the freezing points of the different oils. Here's hoping you find a better candidate in the next one.
It looks like a beautiful glittery pink rose!
Two ideas. One freeze your oil ball then using tongs,drop it in liquid nitrogen before putting it in the resin. Second idea is use powder die and glitter in butter then freeze and same as above use liquid nitrogen and alcohol to super freeze before placing in resin. If it works and resin curing heat hasn't melted the oil or butter completely set them in the sunlight to let them melt. Then give them a good shake to mix. Oh I light have forgotten to say to melt the butter to add pigment and glitter before refreezing. Don't know if any of this would work but would be cool to see you attempt it anyway.😊
A fun experiment anyway, Ben. How about making a resin cast with a pocket in it like you did for the matches? You could then put the frozen oil in and pour the resin on top of it.
Bill
Thanks Bill 👍
Still looks kind cool, Fails can always turn out really awesome.
Try this:. Use your ball mold to cast a mold with silicone. Cast that mold in your resin just as you would any other silicone mold. Once cured, cut the whole thing is n half and remove the silicone pieces. Then, drill a hole in the top of the workpiece. Glue the halves back together, fill the void with oil, water, etc. then plug the hole with a resin rod. Turn your snow globe, and there you go!
You weren't joking when you said you'd be quick turning and polishing. Lol 💜
LMBO. I heard the first intro and I knew this was going to be a great video. 👌😜
Hi Ben! I finally have a suggestion. Yay! How about you measure out the amount of resin you want to use. It will be a test batch. You do this often enough hopefully this will not be a huge waste. Anyway, you can time how long it takes for the resin to be at different stages of setting. Then when you get the perfect oil you will have a timeline for when to add the icy oil ball. And thanks for the surprise episode. It makes me happy!
Super cool video thanks for the awesome content!
You can can use a co2 fire extinguisher to freeze oil or grease fire it into a bucket to get dry ice ...great for shrinking bearings to drop into a hot housing, just have to refill the extinguisher afterwards..but beats trying to store dry ice for months.
Coconut oil would be a better choice. I believe it solidifies at about 24°C and is colorless as well 💕 love your experiments
When you do that again do it with a bigger ball so it's okay if some of that melts before it gets in the resin
Love all these experiments you do!
Really fun to watch lol! Little idea that you could make a void first and then pour the oil in and maybe water as well (like the shape of hourglass void) and then seal together
An idea to possibly keep the sphere, well, spherical: look up "sodium alginate" and "reverse spherification" videos. It's a way to create a thin membrane around liquids, normally for fancy food effects. I wonder if that membrane would survive the cure, avoiding all the problems with ice/oil/etc melting and producing strange shapes.
I say this needs a take-two. Try it again!
I think if you did a resin cast with a pre sphere of air inside and had it be two parts you could quickly stick the oil ball inside and combine the two parts.
The oil in the finale may not be a sphere, but it's still quite pretty, like a splat of glitter suspended in a snow globe. I hope you do more of these oil in resin experiments, with various types of oils, and resin that doesn't heat up as it sets. I like the idea of filling a resin globe/sphere with oil, then casting it in resin.
Olive oil freezes at a much lower temp and if you get the triple distilled oil it will be really clear and not yellow
I thought for sure the ball would hold its shape once it was in the resin. I was wrong. Thank you for trying. Looking forward to the next try.
Nothing is ever a fail thems swearing words it's all a learning experience as is life amazing project as always
Pour a little bit of resin into the mould, plug the hole, then roll it around until it cures to create a membrane/shell of hard resin around the inside. Pop a hole in the top, put the oil in, freeze. This way even as it melts it should all stay together inside the eggshell you make.
Great project Ben.
The best oil to freeze is vegetable oil. Canola òil will not freeze! So that was the only problem lol.
Thanks Kath
if you do try it again, I'd keep the ball in a small cooler with dried ice! and maybe if you cast that first base layer a little thicker with a divot the same size it would be even easier to hold it in! dunno what to say about the type of oil though. Another great video as always!
It still looks pretty cool!
I hope you try oil and water sometime.
Try freezing the oil in dry ice as that is way lower than a fridge freezer, check out the freezing point of the oil before you start.
Definitely not a fail. It turned out to be some great content for a great video.
Water expands when it freezes because it forms a crystalline structure that is slightly less dense than liquid water. Most other liquids (I'm sure there are still a bunch that do) don't exhibit this same effect and their solid form is their most dense, so you don't have to worry about the mold exploding the same way.
Yeah I never get it in there as far as I'd like either. Especially if my ball is too cold. Also, failure and learning is never a failure. Science is just f*cking around while holding a clipboard.
Dude.... you just about killed my shield maiden and I with "jam the ball in" 😅🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Hi Ben, the only time I was able to freeze oil was using dry ice (the stuff we can use to make fog or witches brew lol) we put it into a mold, froze it using the traditional method then used the dry ice by packing it around the mold, taking it to a much lower temperature than an household freezer is capable of. We were looking at what temperature, oil crystals appear. Baby oil, Mineral oil, Sunflower oil were on the list. The lighter, more refined oils froze better. May help.. Great experiment, though my hands were covering my face when it went bum upwards lol!! (ps we did with and without mold with good gloves on burrrrr... Flipping ALevel Science..)
Love you videos, I like that your family get involved. Take care
Have you ever tried casting Gallium in resin? Since resin heats up as it cures, I wonder if the Gallium, with a melting point of about 30 degrees C, it would likely start melting during the curing process.
Another thing that I think would be interesting, is, if it did melt but the resin still cured around it, Gallium expands when it "freezes," so it would be interesting to see if it expanded enough to crack the cured resin.
IDEA: If you coat the inside of the silicon ice cube mold with UV recin and then add the water or oil..it would be protected in a small recin shell before you dunk it.....
I think it looks like a beautiful rose!
I reckon you could reduce the melting of the ball by getting it out of the mold and onto a spoon or something so you can easily lift and place it, then putting it in a pile of crushed ice to keep the temperature down while you wait. Or you could cast a "cup" out of resin, fill it with oil, freeze it, then pour fresh resin into the top of the cup to fill it up, so the bottom (becomes top when turned over and polished up) of the oil-cavity is already cured resin and you get to control the shape :-)
Use dry ice to freeze the oil. Freezing temp of oil is much lower than water.
Cool, maybe try a mix of water and glycerin which is what is in snow globes.
A couple of suggestion, first use dry ice to freeze. Remove ball keep in the ice until the last moment. Second prepare the bottom and let it harden. Mix the other resin in another container but don’t pour it into the container with the base. Put the ball in and pour the liquid resin over the ball which should be stuck to the bottom. That heat will liquify it too fast otherwise. Just some thoughts from someone whose cooked a lot of strange concoctions.
When you are dealing with oil, you have to freeze it at a much lower temperature, than, than a normal freezer will reach, and you need to do it for about 24 hours; keeping it on dry ice will help keep frozen till you can put it into the resin, and because of the lower freezer temperature, it will not melt as fast. Oil will always begin to melt as soon as you take it out of a normal freezer. You may want to also put it in the vacuum to remove any air, to make it even smoother.
Some pearl x powder would have looked really cool too