Not only is she a well written speedster, her cgi is the best of any live action speedster. I get people not fucking with eternals but those effects are incredible
While watching The Eternals I was thinking, "This is what super speed should look like." Makkari actually looks like she is moving super fast rather than the world slowing or pausing around here. Her punches actually feel like they have the impact from the force of her added velocity. If Marvel learns nothing else from the Eternals they should learn how to do speedsters from that movie.
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Not exactly "speechsters". In her case, "speechlessters".
"Makkari actually looks like she is moving super fast rather than the world slowing or pausing around here." What you describe is the same thing, just seen from 2 different perspectives (1st person vs 3rd person). A speedster MUST have superfast perception, otherwise they would bump into everything. How can you avoid an obstacle if you don't perceive it in time ? An even better example (than simply running) is doing complex tasks. I'm sure you've seen scenes where a speedster cleans his room with superspeed.. going from a filthy mess to a pristine room in 1 second. Put yourself in the shoes of the speedster .. how do you accomplish that ? You need to do every single minute detail, step by step. So while the others just see a BLUR, for you it all goes at a normal pace, inside your head. So when you see those scenes in movies in slow motion, that's an inside look in the mind of a speedster, that's how a speedster perceives things from his point of view - his actions going at a normal speed, while everything else around him is in slow motion. But of course for everyone else it's the opposite - their actions are at normal speed while the speedster is superfast.
I love how she uses shockwaves in fight. And yes you need durability and fast reflexes to use this power. Speed = strength. A punch at the speed of light can level a city block.
I watched a video once that talked about if you collided only two atoms at the speed of light and the insane amount of energy that would result of it (basically an amount similar to a nuclear bomb explosion). So if the flash actually used his fist full of trillions of atoms to punch someone at the speed of light, the movement alone and its contact with air would already generate a colossal amount of energy!
@@IcerFreakyNana yeah, but the atoms would also break down and separate to their components in that sort of collision. a speedster not taking any damage from their own collision meant that they are extremely tough, and if they are that tough, they shouldn't be taking damage from non-speedster level attacks. that's why it makes more sense for speedsters to actually slow down before they perform an attack, otherwise they'd end up damaging their selves as well.
1:04 She was only grabbed because Ikaris has the exact same powers as Superman, which includes superspeed. Ikaris in some ways is a 'speedstar' too, just like Supes, Omni-Man and Homelander.
Damn you know I’ve always thought of the big guys supes, home lander , Omni man and Mark , hyperion, sentry etc - they’re fast as shit so they are speedsters as well
Pulling Bull$hit out of thin air isn't cool. He does NOT have the exact same powers as Superman. Stop making stuff up ..And no, In NO ways is Ikaris a speedster. Not even close.
The Speedster thing is insane with superhero movies. Like the amount of times the speedster could just save the ENTIRE FUCKING DAY with ease, but for some bullshit reason (that isn't even given) the Speedster is a literal moron the whole movie.
That they are so OP is the reason to avoid including them on a team. You don't want one person be that much more capable than everyone else that they don't even need the rest of the team. Super strength isn't quite the same, because you still can't be in multiple places at once with super strength. You can with super speed. With super speed, you already gain super strength and super durability. So the tank and the DPS is not needed. Who needs ranged or support when you can pop in and out of everyone else's fight anyway? I suppose the only way to include a speedster on a team is if they're not really that fast. You'd have to keep their speed very limited so that they can't do everything (or everyone else has to be somewhat super speed as well to be able to somewhat keep up with them). Or the way that they have super speed limits them from having all the other abilities that come with it. Like the speed force lets Barry be super fast without having the necessary durability, but the speed force also comes with a lot of other bullshit abilities that make it far too convenient. Problem is, once you limit their speed TOO much, you also weaken them to the point where they are pretty useless. If they're fragile and can only sorta run fast, then they're not that useful on a team of superheroes. My solution: Don't include speedsters. Just...avoid them. There's too much that can go wrong with writing speedsters that I believe the competent decision is to not write them at all. That doesn't mean you can't have fast characters. Just don't have them be speedsters. They can be relatively fast in some of the things they do, but they shouldn't be all speed. But I won't deny that a good fight scene with a speedster looks really awesome, so I get the temptation.
ON THE OTHER HAND: the amount of times the Speedster does something that would kill everybody they're trying to save but that reality is yadda-yaddaed away. You can't start and stop people at that velocity without snapping their necks. OH, THE SPEED FORCE! Sure. hand wave. At least in the comics, you can read the rationalization, but in a movie, you just have to go along for the ride. It's all fun nonsense.
These are good. The thing that always irks me is how all the heroes are running/flying toward the threat and the speedster is always shown among them. Flash is shown covered by lightning, but somehow Batman is right behind him. I think an interesting take on super speed would be a character who can NOT run a hundred miles, like, he or she is super fast but has no more endurance than a regular marathoner.
Short spurts of super-speed would still be very formidable, but it WOULD give an excuse for why the speedster isn't always in the action -- he's off camera gasping for breath and sucking down Red Bull.
@@stevenscott2136 Sling Shot from Agents of Shield has the space between her heartbeats to move that fast, and then she retrogrades back to her start point.
I suppose I hadn't really thought about it, but yeah - you need durability for super speed. If you punch at the speed of sound or faster, it would shatter normal human bone. I suppose if a speedster can heal super fast, you could slam fists into piles of rocks and kick down trees like Muay Thai fighters, and just heal back denser bones super quick, but there's still a limit to how dense and how durable normal human bone can be. Super durability would indeed be a must for a speedster. DC coming up with the "speed force", although it's somewhat of a physics cop-out, is actually good writing to keep the believability of the universe intact. Bravo, I'm subbed.
This reminds me of Sgt. Mercury from Chuck Austen's absolutely terrible "WorldWatch". She has superspeed AND near-invincible metal skin, but she fights only wearing pants because her tops keep getting torn during battle. Like, if that's the case, why not just fight completely full monty???
@@thebumpercar1344 Clothing-based rationalisations are the worst, because they always break down in some way. Quiet from MGS, BattleTech Mechwarriors...just admit that you want your characters to be nearly-naked...
@@derkylos : Oh def, like why lie to us. Why not give her a costume that's made of her apparently indestructible pants? Also she's still wearing more fabric than her other female teammates, so what's the point?
@detective2221 I see 37 thumbs up on my comment... and zero on yours. I have good news for you: it doesn't matter what you or what I think. That's what the kids are calling a 'mandate'.
way better then cw flash somehow barry and wally was not able to chase a guy on a MOTORBIKE in that one episode i dont not know the name of. looking forward to that how to write a speedster video!
Zoom is a speedster they show really well, he easily kills people with his speed, there is a scene where he musters a room full of people in seconds, and another where he catches bullets with one hand as a dozen officers fire at him. He’s only ever hit by being caught off guard or by another speedster
Or any of the many instances of the show where they lose sight of someone and they escape. When you lose sight of someone *just superspeed search the area.* Yeesh. I don't entirely blame though - if they gave Barry realistic speedster efficacy nothing would ever be a threat to him except other speedsters. And show skews too far in that direction already.
Check out David Martinez from cyberpunk edgerunners. Most don't even consider him a speedster, but I'd say he's one of the more consistent and balanced ones. 1. His superspeed can only be used in short bursts. 2. Excessively using it damages him. 3. It's never shown to be absurdly fast.
David also comes built in with a fantastic excuse as to "Why isn't he instant reacting to everything and just blitzing!" Because he does until his chrome backfires. That's the point.
@@onlysongs1607 Right, but the fact that it was an activatiable ability rather than a constant state of being, with an excusable way out avoids so much hassle. CW Flash can stay in super speed for internal hours, has basically no cooldown or reason to stop, and can react at super speed to even minor stimuli. Such as when he pulled the bullet out of his neck, or when he stopped and thought about dealing with the nuke for ages while being in essentially stopped time. David doesn't have these issues. If the writers want him to stop using the super speed, they give him a nosebleed and say he's down. If the writers want him to get jumped, they startle him before he can activate the Sandevistan. David comes built in with excuses for not just staying in super speed and never letting anything happen ever.
0:15 the movie is 2 hours long, you're making a video essay on it, I understand the joke and all in all it's not important, but you could have watched the movie
@@maxhax367 If you making a video essay about a character in the movie you watch the movie its that simple. Its like doing an essay about a book and not reading the book.
She does have a type of enhanced perception, but it's not a personal time dilation effect like Quicksilver and the other time in a bottle speedsters. She can sense vibrations. Basically she can feel where everything is without actually physically touching things. This is shown to be so precise, that she can even sense someone performing some sort of sleight of hand.
Something else that annoys me about speedsters is that oftentimes, it doesnt take into consideration the limitations of their surroundings or just reality in general. A good example of that is when they do the whole "try a million combinations on a keypad until i get the right one" in like 2 seconds. Just because the speedster is moving superfast, that doesnt mean that electricity and information moves any faster. Sure, it can work faster than a normal person doing it, but it shouldnt work that quickly. Credit where it's due, there was a sequence in Avengers Assemble where Speed Demon was using a computer terminal to download something, and is sat there in speedtime, bored, because the speed of information is super slow from his perspective. The CW Flash also escaped from the Thinker on one occasion because he exploited the limitations of the human body. The Thinker can think at superspeeds and process information incredibly quickly, but his body is still human, so the Flash vibrated his body superfast to appear invisible to him, so when he got the first opportunity, he escaped before De Voe could physically react.
Electricity moves at the speed of light so yes it would keep up. However the detection mechanism probably has a timer to wait before the next try so they should realistically input at super speed then have to wait.
While it is kind of funny he chose to show the shots of her slowing to punch here, we do see her do super speed punches a lot and they have huge shockwaves (like when she punches Ikaris into a wall)
i guess it is to show what she is doing. id prefer ramming into people as a speedster tho. much more realistic way of fighting if you have insane speed
I think it's more of an anticipation, like her pausing in mid-air because you can't just run while you're jumping, you have to have momentum beforehand, and then punches with her full speed before landing. I think the only unrealistic thing about that is that she literally stopped moving in mid-air despite the fact that she was moving in super-speed the literal second prior, but it might just be that the director was pausing to show that one moment in which she rears back her arm to punch and she actually never slowed down at all
At 1:04 in your Quicksilver video, you do actually say that he can slow down time. You even have a line where you say, "Let me repeat that..." and you repeat that "he can slow down time when he's not even moving." So...
Even when watching that video though, I understood his point: the speedster can slow down time …from the speedster’s point of view. Which leads to my other speedster question: are speedster days just eternal agonies of humans and the world moving in super slow-mo constantly? Like, how do they not go insane?
@@truejim I think it varies between characters. In some cases I credit this with how speedsters get caught flat-footed: They can presumably make their perception go faster or slower, and operate at real-speed perception for most of their mundane lives. Can you imagine how terrible it would be to have to take what feels like a week to slowly enunciate each single word so that the normies can understand what you're saying? CW's Flash in particular is clearly turning his superspeed perceptions on and off at various points. Often choosing particularly dumb times to do it, like when first confronting a villain.
@@truejim I understand his point, too. I'm not arguing that point. I'm just pointing out the says in a very arrogant way that he never said they can slow down time when, in fact, he did say that.
@@irrevenant3 I'm not going to engage in mind reading and figuring out what he does mean and doesn't mean. I'm just pointing out the he claims he didn't say it when he did say it. This doesn't detract from the other points in either video. Both are great and are accurate. Speedsters would be the most powerful characters ever if consistently written. That's why they don't have consistent writing.
You might be surprised if you watch The Eternals. I think it got caught in a backlash against Marvel that was quite general. I really enjoyed the movie. I'm sure seeing it in a movie theatre helped. It was beautifully shot.
I also enjoyed it, but don't understand why they basically made them like DC's Justice League. Haven't read the comics but I heard that the Eternals supposed to have the same powers...but Makkari's superspeed was really refreshing and became my favourite of them.
All speedsters that run on foot on the land with regular land obstacles has to have enhanced fast perception. So to them, things would always appear slower. The visual effect to show us time is moving slower is to only depicted what the speedster is seeing. Characters like Thor for example would not have fast perception, he simply gets pulled by his hammer really fast.
@chiboz3483 i will take your word for it. But I also know with a car, we have such an open view of what's ahead of us and our distant sides. But if you are a passenger and look directly to your side (not angled forward side but exactly 90 degrees from the front), you can only see blur and cannot make out anything happening. Open space is the only way a non speedster can perceive anything while speeding (like in a jet).
My favorite time in a bottle depiction had to be from the Cyborg 009 anime. The titular character, 009, posesses super speed as his main power and he moves so fast that he is basically teleporting. He gets his time in a bottle moment as a full episode where his super speed is malfunctioning and he can't turn it off. The audience is given a clear explanation that 009 DOES NOT always percieve the world at super speed, and that it's something he has to willingly activate himself. It's also shown that 009 can't just move people who are in trouble when he's moving at super speed because while he has a body capable of withstanding that amount of atmospheric friction no normal human possibly could, so when he chooses to help some people out who he finds in trouble during the episode he has to use out of the box thinging to ensure the people are kept safe without him having to interract with them directly. So every time 009 is ever taken off guard by something it's because when he's not shown moving at super speed he is not a speedster, and any time he chooses not to rush to the aide of civilians and move them away from harm with his speed it's because he literally can't do that without killing them.
Idk why nobody mentions this but Makkari is also deaf but very sensitive to vibrations so these sonic blasts that she creates do nothing to her while she still can perceive everything around her through vibrations.
The fight between Makari and Ikaris is what Flash vs Superman should look like. The Speedster is obviously faster. Ikaris is stronger, super fast and trying hard to level up. All Ikaris needed is a few moments of brilliance. While Makari ain't a pull over in terms of strength and durability, she's just not on his level. Overall Ikaris should win. He's gat flight, energy project without need to prepare unlike Makari.
Also, Makkari ran right into Ikaris, right in front if his face.... kinda makes sense that Ikaris caught her. Additionally, Makkari (from what I remember) attacks from different angles later on, aside from when she punched Ikaris into the rockwall multiple times.
Perceiving time in slow motion is a byproduct of the speed you're going, there is no ability, just because they didn't show it doesn't mean she isn't perceiving time slower.
I think being grabbed is like Superman vs flash it’s a great concept of showing someone who isn’t as fast but can perceive what the other is doing and any well timed counter can catch the other faster person off guard
Ya, massive respect. Eternals might surprise you. Watch it in 10 years when it becomes a classic. I know 2 people that say it's the best mcu film. It's in my top 10. Film is subjective and the movie is objectively very well made.
Tickle your pickle is a wild statement lol. I say give the movie a shot at least. I get the criticism for it but I enjoyed it. One of my favorites of the MCU and she is my favorite character out of the short time she got in the movie. Liked her interaction with Druig and her fight scenes. Was holding my chair while she was fighting Ikaris hoping she doesn't die. One of the best depictions of speed imo. I know people aren't too keen on them but I can't wait to see the Eternals bounce off the other characters in the upcoming Avengers movies.
Makkari was an amazing rendition of a speedster (she only was missing the part where she moves other people gradually to avoid stuff like whiplash, etc). the other one for me (in a movie) was in Man of steel when Faora flattened a squad of marines. Again, they showed the speed + impact. What's sad is that was shown just once Realistically, if a movie has a speedster and other protagonists, the speedster must be doing many more actions per scene than the others, vs being like dumbo flash backing away in slow mo
The Fox X-Men Quicksilver absolutely does control time. His iconic walkman could never turn fast enough to match his speed. Also in that movie he is shown playing pong at an accelerated speed while having a normal conversation. One could make the argument that he modified both of these things to fit his accelerated speed and he was listening to the conversation at super slow speed while playing. But then comes Apocalypse and two distinct things occur. Firstly we see Quicksilver moving fast relative to the slowed down environment around him. If the slowed down environment is only perceptional due to his accelerated speed then this doesn't make sense because it means he's going even faster in those brief moments but the environment stays the same. Maybe we can consider the audience a speedster as well and in this moment Quicksilver is simply moving faster than us. But then comes what I consider the lynchpin. Quicksilver drinks a soda. Gravity pulls at a constant rate, and we can see that this is the case when Quicksilver jumps off of things and appears to slowly float down. It is affecting him in slow motion, so it should affect all things in slow motion and be unable to be sped up. But then Quicksilver, while moving fast, drinks an entire soda in about a second. That's not possible if gravity is pulling the soda down at a constant rate which is unaffected by his speed. So the fact that he was able to drink that soda so fast means he has a localized, possibly contact based, effect on time. While the other things have the potential to be explained away through other means, this doesn't. He absolutely has a limited control over time.
Well in those cases the audience is simply inserted into Quicksilver's perception. So even when he stops and time is still apparently moving slow, his perception and ours is simply dialed up. Then he starts moving again. I think it's a visual shorthand to show that even when we're perceiving things in his realm he's still faster. As for drinking, he's just sucking the soda down. That said, there is an unexplained part of his powers, it's one of those things that Superman's bioelectric field, and the Speed Force explains. Namely moving other people at the speed he moves should hurt them. Badly. Yet he can control who he hurts and who he moves as if they're just dolls in a diorama without wrenching their bodies into the hospital. Such a field of influence would also explain why his walkman can keep up without being modified in such a way that the magnetic tape would catch on fire from friction.
I like to think that she's not necessarily got fast prescription. Rather she has very fast reaction to keep up with her speed and she looks ahead when running so she doesn't need to see things in show motion to not run into things, instead she just knows the lay of the land from a glance and knows where to run to not run into anything. Effectively she looks ahead when she runs like how we drive fast. She can be caught by fast people when you can't look ahead someone grabbing you like you can look ahead where the road is going
I was trying to making a VR game where you played as a speedster that never made it past early development, and I realized really early on if you're moving that fast nothing can surprise you and anything you touch will explode no matter how gentle you are at handling it. You simply are applying too much force over such a small surface area.
I think the reason she got caught is a matter of reflex rather than perception, but we likely will never know the details and it could have just been a writing choice. But when you can anticipate the direction of a speedster and are also heightened in terms of perception and reflex and have the strength to back it, could work
I really like the speedster-ish Yo-Yo Rodriguez from Agents of Shield; Slingshot. She moves like a speedster but with a catch....she can only maintain super speed for the space between one of her heartbeats. Once her heart beats again she is snapped back to her original position from when she activated her power. It allows for a speedster who isn't OP and the story telling options are much more interesting when considering she "sling shots" back to her starting point.
He flies towards the sun (on screen) in like 20 seconds, but I accept that it possibly was just edited that way, but suffice it to say if it took him 8 minutes, he'd be light speed.
Speed related powers are some of my favourites. And I agree with you that they are almost always badly written. Because they are technically godly powers depending on how far you want to push the concepts. I liked your reasoning on the matter in your other videos too.
i think the perfect way to write a speedster is to make them only slightly faster than a bullet so their still really useful but your sense of disbelief isnt destroyed when they caught off guard by something somehow
I’m sure you’ve said this before, but my difficulty with Speedsters is that they go intangible. How can they run immensely fast without catching fire or creating shock waves? Only by going intangible. Why then not phase through walls, floors, punches? Plot armor. As soon as you’re fast, you’re either Dash from Incredibles or else you’re Metroman, there is no middle-ground
just found this channel... was actually thinking about all this durability and perception thing when i was a kid when watching an old flash tv show... never understood why he would lose to dumb reasons
I think that she can perceive time slower, but there is probably a limit to it. So she can move really really fast, but at a certain point it gets too fast and she kinda has to predict where she will end up when she's going faster than her maximum perception slowdown multiplier.
0:36 Evey catching a speedster like that off guard is debatable since most have their powers always working, so even if the attacker makes a sound in the last millisecond of the attack, they can dodge. Or even worst, technically, if the speedster power is always on, they can go with the impact as soon as the feel some weird touch, so it don't hurt them.
I'm a speedster fan, your videos are EVERYTHING iv been saying for years. And we are just regular guys. Your telling me these big time writers can't decode this themselves.....really? Smh. One day a perfect representation of a speedster with be writen/drawn/created.....I jus hope it's in our era.
Ikaris was able to grab her because he basically has the Superman power set. As shown in the one minute war comic, Superman can reach comparable speeds to the speedsters of the DC Universe, he just has a MUCH slower reaction time and acceleration rate. Given time to adapt to the speed of a given conflict, he could plausibly wrangle a speedster - not without a certain amount of luck, of course, but it’s not implausible.
When it comes to speedster powers I really like how Brandon Sanderson does it in the Mistborn universe. "Steelrunners" are pretty op, but they spend a lot of time "storing" their "speed" (time acceleration) only to get very fast for a short time. They are also screwed if you separate them from their storage devices. They still feel really op when they do their thing, but since they are pretty rare and use their powers sparingly they do not destroy the tension with questions like "why doesnt just a steelrunner do X?". Afaik they also are not any more durable than normal people, so unless they have other powers to compensate the speed they can go at is limited by air resistance tearing them to shreds.
He is written pretty well in the comics too, though it varies between the eras of course. The Disney era isn't the best as the politics get in the way too much, they added the thing where Eternals sometimes change gender when reborn so Makkari and some other Eternals became female just to satisfy some sort of political quota.
So the thing about her getting grabbed by the guy (who's name is Icarus), is that it makes sense if you watched the full movie, bc it's stated and shown several times that Icarus is the strongest eternal, and yes Makkari is faster, but he has feats of super speed as well, and has been shown to travel at speeds comparable to Makkari, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to think he could catch her off guard if she didn't expect it.
she's over all a good speedster; on top that you could see the impact of someone with super strength fight at superspeed all the eternals have super strength and speed they all just focus their cosmic energy on to favored abilities, durability she's invulnerable to all attacks except if she hit with a cosmic weapon or another eternal. that’s where she really outclasses flash and quicksilver because she doesn't only have super speed
The visuals was great but the story sucked, it should have been a series and they should have kept it closer to the comics with The Eternals and Deviants being warring sentient race playing into their concept of being Order vs Chaos, Gods vs Monsters how they influenced myths and legends.
@@gangofheroes I keep hearing this, and I make this same complaint about other movies, but I actually liked the story and the characters in Eternals. It felt really fresh. I was just sad we didn't get more time with some of them.
I think it's so silly that speedsters in movies are traveling at like Mach 3 and somehow do not completely destroy everything around them.. like wtf! How would they not leave craters in the ground with every step they take in order to gain enough friction to propel themselves at such a high speed? 2:00 this chick is moving like this while disrupting the sand the same way a person running at normal speeds would?? Are you kidding me? There would be sonic booms going on all over the place like bombs exploding in the sand!! And it was so stupid how Quicksilver saved everybody from the house in X-Men: Apocalypse without instantly killing them. Grabbing them and moving their body so fast would've ripped their limbs off and torn them in half by suddenly changed their trajectory like that.
Ikaris (the guy who grabbed her) does have some form of super reactions/speed (his powers are based on superman) but hes not as fast as her. But being able to grab her makes sense.
i actually loved eternals and i know i can’t be alone. the plot was a little slow but i loved the characters, loved the acting, loved the effects and most of all, the direction was fantastic. i forgot it was a marvel film
That is why i love that injustice 2 cutscene of flash vs reverse flash as they are fighting mostly as superspeed and dont slow down the scene that much.
Wish we saw more of the side effects of superspeed compressing air in front of you and friction. These effects in the upper atmosphere heat things up to thousands of degrees in thin atmosphere at sea level they would be way more dramatic. Flash has the speed force to negate these effects but the other dont. Even a plane like SR71 at just mach 3 would shatter windows with the shock wave alone
Not a speedster, but in the first Spider- Man movie, I liked how they treated Peter's "spidey sense" as a slow motion sensation that he perceived, but didn't understand. It wasn't used as a gimmick again and I think that once they show it, it doesn't need repeated because we know how it works.
This is why a really good speedster is Kamen Rider Kabuto. He has so many time in a bottle moments, but they're balanced out by his rider ability "Clock up", which only allows him to be at super speed for short periods of time. The speed itself is a little inconsistent, but he's at the very least a bullet timer. There's also Kamen Rider Faiz, which has a watch that allows him to be at super speed for about 7 seconds
speedsters don't have to have high durability if their power acts through some weird mechanism, like for example something that is *similar* to local/body time acceleration. This is pretty similar to durability but isn't quite the same, such as less defense against lasers.
The other eternals are also very fast, she’s just the fastest. So when she got grabbed it is still by a really fast person. It’s like how she is super strong but there was the really really strong Asian man eternal.
I ended up liking some of the the characters in Eternals a lot, the plot being a bit convoluted and chopped up might have been a rough spot for more appeal but I really like the direction of it's visuals and challenging each of it's characters. Each one of them being godly, mistaken as gods in the past, and yet by now they are all falling apart and flawed.
You make a full video about a character and cant take the time to even watch the movie the character is in. Good thing you said that at the start of the video...
Lets be honest Here, apart from Xmen Quicksilver, no Speedster ever looked as GREAT as Makari, she is just awesome in everyway. I doubt someone will be better atleast not anytime soon
Since Icarus was written as a superman-like character, I kind of gave him a pass on grabbing her. I just assumed his power set was the same as in the comics meaning he would also have super speed. It's just not the one he primarily goes to because he likes to prolong fights
The movie was beautiful to look at but there was so many moving pieces and time periods that it would have been better served as a TV series instead. Great cast and some wonderful themes in it. If things stay based on the comics then Fantastic Four will touch on the Eternal events soon.
Wally West (pre-New 52) Flash. He once compared having a normal conversation, even waiting for somebody to finish a single sentence, at normal speed to standing in line at the DMV. For a week.
I'm avoiding spoilers here, but there is a speedster (or maybe many, depends how you see it) in the latter Dune books (not sure if book 5 or 6 now, it's been a while)
the pickle's been tickled. representing speedsters and their abilities will always, and has to be, dumbed down for obvious reasons. you could literally end anyone at any time you wanted with that insane power. personally, i'd like to see more of the psychological effects of the speedsters from switching speeds the entire time.
You go through the trouble to make a video on a character but open up by saying you won’t even watch the movie the character is in? That doesn’t make you sound cool, it makes you sound lazy. I’m not saying I want to go watch Eternals right now, but how can you critique from clips alone?
I think that all the speedsters problem lies in having multiple powers - like, they move fast, perceive fast, think fast, super durable, invincible (otherwise they would break their hands while punching at superspeed) super strong (when they need to relocate people) and can relocate people without hurting them. Just like superman - he is OP because of the whole arsenal of powers. Leave your speedster with only fast moving (or also spare them with fast perception) and they become not even close to being OP. With it being so simple, I have no idea why don't anyone use it.
Best BEATABLE speedster in fiction: Mikazuchi Rei Context: with a very short list of exceptions, every single character in Kengan is just a human who uses martial arts to achieve superhumanity that way. One example being a guy who uses “Be Like Water” to make sure his style keep evolving with every second of combat while another guy uses it to out-grapple a Jiujitsu prodigy Backstory-no-jutsu: born into an assassin family, he’s the current successor to the fastest martial art style in the show. The reason he put down the blade is for love. With his father dying on the job, he either wants revenge for his death or the pride of the family martial art. Explanation-jutsu: training started young so he could develop his speed, the REAL source of his speed is technique based but the drawback is the whole martial art being limited to a predictable path of attack, he uses mental techniques for added speed but the foundational one can get him into trouble with opponents who have the timing down
Ikarus grabs Makkari because he Also has super speed and when you’ve been literally beaten into a wall hard ejough to make a crevice, there’s only so many angles the next strike will come from. Also they’ve been family for 7,000 years
I think in order to make a good speedester, you need to find the fastest poeple in our current world and see what they do and how they do things. A point of reference. Fastest gunman, runner, driver, etc. The way how they would react to things when sudden change or fight happens. You'd be surprised how years of trainning, reflexes, and knowledge will do to you
For me, the speedster problem I've never seen addressed that makes them the least believable is that they grab normal humans who aren't moving at all, and accelerate them to . . . super-duper speed instantaneously. That's equivalent to getting slammed into a slab of concrete at . . . super-duper speed. Their brains would slosh all to one side and they would perish instantly. The joints and bones not lifted by the speedster's hands would fold and wrap in half around the speedster's hands. It's absurd.
The "fast perception" talk is always funny. For you to even coordinate your legs to move that fast, your brain must be able to process and send signals in fractions of a nanosecond (even much less). With such speed you can literally see with your eyes sound waves as it ripples & distorts air (among other impossible feats) not to talk of seeing and processing what’s right in front of you. The only problem a speedster should have is slowing down.
Not only is she a well written speedster, her cgi is the best of any live action speedster. I get people not fucking with eternals but those effects are incredible
Compared to Flash, why did they make him run so werid? xd
The characters are good and the cgi is great, i feel like the story gets boring in some scenes...
@@Maroke21cause that flash is an extreme awkward antisocial barry, he was meant to be "the funny character".
I think you got confused. There was no CGI of her running in this movie. They just filmed her running at her normal speeds and show it as it is. 🗿
You’re forgetting quicksilver xmen
While watching The Eternals I was thinking, "This is what super speed should look like." Makkari actually looks like she is moving super fast rather than the world slowing or pausing around here. Her punches actually feel like they have the impact from the force of her added velocity. If Marvel learns nothing else from the Eternals they should learn how to do speedsters from that movie.
Not exactly "speechsters". In her case, "speechlessters".
"Makkari actually looks like she is moving super fast rather than the world slowing or pausing around here."
What you describe is the same thing, just seen from 2 different perspectives (1st person vs 3rd person).
A speedster MUST have superfast perception, otherwise they would bump into everything. How can you avoid an obstacle if you don't perceive it in time ?
An even better example (than simply running) is doing complex tasks. I'm sure you've seen scenes where a speedster cleans his room with superspeed.. going from a filthy mess to a pristine room in 1 second. Put yourself in the shoes of the speedster .. how do you accomplish that ? You need to do every single minute detail, step by step.
So while the others just see a BLUR, for you it all goes at a normal pace, inside your head.
So when you see those scenes in movies in slow motion, that's an inside look in the mind of a speedster, that's how a speedster perceives things from his point of view - his actions going at a normal speed, while everything else around him is in slow motion. But of course for everyone else it's the opposite - their actions are at normal speed while the speedster is superfast.
Edited. Thanks.
@@anonymususer1728😂true
@@anonymususer1728 do you need super perception to drive an F1 car?
Finally someone giving speedsters the time and appreciation they deserve
half assed at best he even admits to it at the beginning.
@@MonstersFlyinginTheSky And even that's better than most assflap speedster's analysis and logic out there in mass media.
@ right… ure a smooth brain for sure.
@@MonstersFlyinginTheSky I thought that was the joke
Yess! Very little time, cause they should be fast
I love how she uses shockwaves in fight. And yes you need durability and fast reflexes to use this power. Speed = strength. A punch at the speed of light can level a city block.
Punch at the speed of light will level the £u(king planet
a city block is a huge huge underestimate ;-;
I watched a video once that talked about if you collided only two atoms at the speed of light and the insane amount of energy that would result of it (basically an amount similar to a nuclear bomb explosion). So if the flash actually used his fist full of trillions of atoms to punch someone at the speed of light, the movement alone and its contact with air would already generate a colossal amount of energy!
@@IcerFreakyNana yeah, but the atoms would also break down and separate to their components in that sort of collision. a speedster not taking any damage from their own collision meant that they are extremely tough, and if they are that tough, they shouldn't be taking damage from non-speedster level attacks. that's why it makes more sense for speedsters to actually slow down before they perform an attack, otherwise they'd end up damaging their selves as well.
A punch at the speed of light would destroy the universe, because it would have infinite kinetic energy.
1:04 She was only grabbed because Ikaris has the exact same powers as Superman, which includes superspeed. Ikaris in some ways is a 'speedstar' too, just like Supes, Omni-Man and Homelander.
SpeedstEr btw.
Nice comment, I agree. Don't wanna be a grammar nazi.
Have a beautiful day
Damn you know I’ve always thought of the big guys supes, home lander , Omni man and Mark , hyperion, sentry etc - they’re fast as shit so they are speedsters as well
@@poutineausyropderable7108 speedsteur
Pulling Bull$hit out of thin air isn't cool. He does NOT have the exact same powers as Superman.
Stop making stuff up
..And no, In NO ways is Ikaris a speedster. Not even close.
a fraction of the speed but not nearly next level as speedster
The Speedster thing is insane with superhero movies. Like the amount of times the speedster could just save the ENTIRE FUCKING DAY with ease, but for some bullshit reason (that isn't even given) the Speedster is a literal moron the whole movie.
That they are so OP is the reason to avoid including them on a team. You don't want one person be that much more capable than everyone else that they don't even need the rest of the team. Super strength isn't quite the same, because you still can't be in multiple places at once with super strength. You can with super speed. With super speed, you already gain super strength and super durability. So the tank and the DPS is not needed. Who needs ranged or support when you can pop in and out of everyone else's fight anyway?
I suppose the only way to include a speedster on a team is if they're not really that fast. You'd have to keep their speed very limited so that they can't do everything (or everyone else has to be somewhat super speed as well to be able to somewhat keep up with them). Or the way that they have super speed limits them from having all the other abilities that come with it. Like the speed force lets Barry be super fast without having the necessary durability, but the speed force also comes with a lot of other bullshit abilities that make it far too convenient. Problem is, once you limit their speed TOO much, you also weaken them to the point where they are pretty useless. If they're fragile and can only sorta run fast, then they're not that useful on a team of superheroes.
My solution: Don't include speedsters. Just...avoid them. There's too much that can go wrong with writing speedsters that I believe the competent decision is to not write them at all. That doesn't mean you can't have fast characters. Just don't have them be speedsters. They can be relatively fast in some of the things they do, but they shouldn't be all speed.
But I won't deny that a good fight scene with a speedster looks really awesome, so I get the temptation.
That's why YoYo Rodriguez is the best speedster.
With The Flash they always go for the excuse that his thoughts are so fast he kinda has ADHD and get easily distracted.
ON THE OTHER HAND: the amount of times the Speedster does something that would kill everybody they're trying to save but that reality is yadda-yaddaed away. You can't start and stop people at that velocity without snapping their necks.
OH, THE SPEED FORCE! Sure. hand wave. At least in the comics, you can read the rationalization, but in a movie, you just have to go along for the ride. It's all fun nonsense.
i think it’s basically time freezing at this point so it’s the best to put speedster in the corner unless it’s their own movie lol
Opinion: Eternal is not bad, better than many superhero movies
One of the best marvel movie imo
F your opinion, its wrong, eternals are trash and will always be
One of the few movies that probably could have been a show.
Its better than BP 2 for sure 🤫
@@donnymstreams4845no it's not
These are good. The thing that always irks me is how all the heroes are running/flying toward the threat and the speedster is always shown among them. Flash is shown covered by lightning, but somehow Batman is right behind him. I think an interesting take on super speed would be a character who can NOT run a hundred miles, like, he or she is super fast but has no more endurance than a regular marathoner.
Short spurts of super-speed would still be very formidable, but it WOULD give an excuse for why the speedster isn't always in the action -- he's off camera gasping for breath and sucking down Red Bull.
Some of those do exist in comics I recall
Batman just being sucked along the slipstream in flash' wake pretending it's a calculated move
@@stevenscott2136 Sling Shot from Agents of Shield has the space between her heartbeats to move that fast, and then she retrogrades back to her start point.
I understand their endurance would match their speed though. Otherwise they would gas out after running one metre
I suppose I hadn't really thought about it, but yeah - you need durability for super speed. If you punch at the speed of sound or faster, it would shatter normal human bone. I suppose if a speedster can heal super fast, you could slam fists into piles of rocks and kick down trees like Muay Thai fighters, and just heal back denser bones super quick, but there's still a limit to how dense and how durable normal human bone can be. Super durability would indeed be a must for a speedster. DC coming up with the "speed force", although it's somewhat of a physics cop-out, is actually good writing to keep the believability of the universe intact. Bravo, I'm subbed.
I care
This reminds me of Sgt. Mercury from Chuck Austen's absolutely terrible "WorldWatch". She has superspeed AND near-invincible metal skin, but she fights only wearing pants because her tops keep getting torn during battle. Like, if that's the case, why not just fight completely full monty???
@@thebumpercar1344 Clothing-based rationalisations are the worst, because they always break down in some way. Quiet from MGS, BattleTech Mechwarriors...just admit that you want your characters to be nearly-naked...
@@derkylos : Oh def, like why lie to us. Why not give her a costume that's made of her apparently indestructible pants? Also she's still wearing more fabric than her other female teammates, so what's the point?
@detective2221 I see 37 thumbs up on my comment... and zero on yours. I have good news for you: it doesn't matter what you or what I think. That's what the kids are calling a 'mandate'.
way better then cw flash somehow barry and wally was not able to chase a guy on a MOTORBIKE in that one episode i dont not know the name of.
looking forward to that how to write a speedster video!
I Remember that episode its was so stupid when i saw it myself
That's why they got the mocking "CW's writing".
That show is goated despite the inconsistent writing
Zoom is a speedster they show really well, he easily kills people with his speed, there is a scene where he musters a room full of people in seconds, and another where he catches bullets with one hand as a dozen officers fire at him. He’s only ever hit by being caught off guard or by another speedster
Or any of the many instances of the show where they lose sight of someone and they escape. When you lose sight of someone *just superspeed search the area.* Yeesh.
I don't entirely blame though - if they gave Barry realistic speedster efficacy nothing would ever be a threat to him except other speedsters. And show skews too far in that direction already.
00:19 it doesn't tickle what? ...
his pickle
His SBC
Le pickle
As an Eternal, Makkari has superhuman strength and invulnerbility.
Check out David Martinez from cyberpunk edgerunners. Most don't even consider him a speedster, but I'd say he's one of the more consistent and balanced ones.
1. His superspeed can only be used in short bursts.
2. Excessively using it damages him.
3. It's never shown to be absurdly fast.
David also comes built in with a fantastic excuse as to "Why isn't he instant reacting to everything and just blitzing!"
Because he does until his chrome backfires. That's the point.
I'll check him out
I mean...
@@brentonoftheunknown.821, he could use it pretty regularly though
@@onlysongs1607 Right, but the fact that it was an activatiable ability rather than a constant state of being, with an excusable way out avoids so much hassle.
CW Flash can stay in super speed for internal hours, has basically no cooldown or reason to stop, and can react at super speed to even minor stimuli. Such as when he pulled the bullet out of his neck, or when he stopped and thought about dealing with the nuke for ages while being in essentially stopped time.
David doesn't have these issues. If the writers want him to stop using the super speed, they give him a nosebleed and say he's down. If the writers want him to get jumped, they startle him before he can activate the Sandevistan.
David comes built in with excuses for not just staying in super speed and never letting anything happen ever.
0:15 the movie is 2 hours long, you're making a video essay on it, I understand the joke and all in all it's not important, but you could have watched the movie
im gonna go ahead and say all the important scenes of makkari are captured in TH-cam Shorts anyway
I stopped watching the video as soon as he said that. What a mook.
Nuhuh
2 hours of unnecessary torture
@@maxhax367 If you making a video essay about a character in the movie you watch the movie its that simple. Its like doing an essay about a book and not reading the book.
She does have a type of enhanced perception, but it's not a personal time dilation effect like Quicksilver and the other time in a bottle speedsters. She can sense vibrations. Basically she can feel where everything is without actually physically touching things. This is shown to be so precise, that she can even sense someone performing some sort of sleight of hand.
Cheetahra from Thundercats is a good speedster and deserves a video too!
Something else that annoys me about speedsters is that oftentimes, it doesnt take into consideration the limitations of their surroundings or just reality in general. A good example of that is when they do the whole "try a million combinations on a keypad until i get the right one" in like 2 seconds. Just because the speedster is moving superfast, that doesnt mean that electricity and information moves any faster. Sure, it can work faster than a normal person doing it, but it shouldnt work that quickly.
Credit where it's due, there was a sequence in Avengers Assemble where Speed Demon was using a computer terminal to download something, and is sat there in speedtime, bored, because the speed of information is super slow from his perspective.
The CW Flash also escaped from the Thinker on one occasion because he exploited the limitations of the human body. The Thinker can think at superspeeds and process information incredibly quickly, but his body is still human, so the Flash vibrated his body superfast to appear invisible to him, so when he got the first opportunity, he escaped before De Voe could physically react.
Electricity moves at the speed of light so yes it would keep up. However the detection mechanism probably has a timer to wait before the next try so they should realistically input at super speed then have to wait.
2:13
"she doesnt slow down to punch"
while she does exactly that without slo mo
While it is kind of funny he chose to show the shots of her slowing to punch here, we do see her do super speed punches a lot and they have huge shockwaves (like when she punches Ikaris into a wall)
i guess it is to show what she is doing. id prefer ramming into people as a speedster tho. much more realistic way of fighting if you have insane speed
@@munkhorgiliderbold4183 And she did that too, repeatedly, honestly the most awesome attack in the movie.
I think it's more of an anticipation, like her pausing in mid-air because you can't just run while you're jumping, you have to have momentum beforehand, and then punches with her full speed before landing. I think the only unrealistic thing about that is that she literally stopped moving in mid-air despite the fact that she was moving in super-speed the literal second prior, but it might just be that the director was pausing to show that one moment in which she rears back her arm to punch and she actually never slowed down at all
It’s to show the audience what she’s actually doing. She still delivers a punch that would normally be at high speeds
I'll tell you what tickles my pickle: *Women in Green.* It all started with a sassy lady named *Shego.*
💀
Thus continuing the pickle theme.
At 1:04 in your Quicksilver video, you do actually say that he can slow down time. You even have a line where you say, "Let me repeat that..." and you repeat that "he can slow down time when he's not even moving." So...
Even when watching that video though, I understood his point: the speedster can slow down time …from the speedster’s point of view. Which leads to my other speedster question: are speedster days just eternal agonies of humans and the world moving in super slow-mo constantly? Like, how do they not go insane?
Okay, he said that, but I think it was completely clear from context that he didn't mean it literally.
@@truejim I think it varies between characters. In some cases I credit this with how speedsters get caught flat-footed: They can presumably make their perception go faster or slower, and operate at real-speed perception for most of their mundane lives. Can you imagine how terrible it would be to have to take what feels like a week to slowly enunciate each single word so that the normies can understand what you're saying?
CW's Flash in particular is clearly turning his superspeed perceptions on and off at various points. Often choosing particularly dumb times to do it, like when first confronting a villain.
@@truejim I understand his point, too. I'm not arguing that point. I'm just pointing out the says in a very arrogant way that he never said they can slow down time when, in fact, he did say that.
@@irrevenant3 I'm not going to engage in mind reading and figuring out what he does mean and doesn't mean. I'm just pointing out the he claims he didn't say it when he did say it. This doesn't detract from the other points in either video. Both are great and are accurate. Speedsters would be the most powerful characters ever if consistently written. That's why they don't have consistent writing.
You might be surprised if you watch The Eternals. I think it got caught in a backlash against Marvel that was quite general. I really enjoyed the movie. I'm sure seeing it in a movie theatre helped. It was beautifully shot.
I actually really enjoyed it, too. Don't understand the hate.
good cinematography and visuals but trash story and character development
I also enjoyed it, but don't understand why they basically made them like DC's Justice League. Haven't read the comics but I heard that the Eternals supposed to have the same powers...but Makkari's superspeed was really refreshing and became my favourite of them.
@@Faster_than_light_yoexactly
ya for real tho, i really enjoyed it after getting the chance to watch it, surprisingly good cast and characters
All speedsters that run on foot on the land with regular land obstacles has to have enhanced fast perception. So to them, things would always appear slower. The visual effect to show us time is moving slower is to only depicted what the speedster is seeing. Characters like Thor for example would not have fast perception, he simply gets pulled by his hammer really fast.
Time dilation would still happen for Thor. There’s even A LITTLE time dilation when you are moving in a car
@chiboz3483 i will take your word for it. But I also know with a car, we have such an open view of what's ahead of us and our distant sides. But if you are a passenger and look directly to your side (not angled forward side but exactly 90 degrees from the front), you can only see blur and cannot make out anything happening. Open space is the only way a non speedster can perceive anything while speeding (like in a jet).
I appreciate the hard hits on how wrong they do speedsters. Thanks in advance for the video about how properly write a speedster.
Mark Millar's MPH is the definitive article on how to write a speedster
My favorite time in a bottle depiction had to be from the Cyborg 009 anime.
The titular character, 009, posesses super speed as his main power and he moves so fast that he is basically teleporting. He gets his time in a bottle moment as a full episode where his super speed is malfunctioning and he can't turn it off. The audience is given a clear explanation that 009 DOES NOT always percieve the world at super speed, and that it's something he has to willingly activate himself. It's also shown that 009 can't just move people who are in trouble when he's moving at super speed because while he has a body capable of withstanding that amount of atmospheric friction no normal human possibly could, so when he chooses to help some people out who he finds in trouble during the episode he has to use out of the box thinging to ensure the people are kept safe without him having to interract with them directly. So every time 009 is ever taken off guard by something it's because when he's not shown moving at super speed he is not a speedster, and any time he chooses not to rush to the aide of civilians and move them away from harm with his speed it's because he literally can't do that without killing them.
Idk why nobody mentions this but Makkari is also deaf but very sensitive to vibrations so these sonic blasts that she creates do nothing to her while she still can perceive everything around her through vibrations.
she got caught cuz the guy is actually fast, she still faster
The fight between Makari and Ikaris is what Flash vs Superman should look like. The Speedster is obviously faster. Ikaris is stronger, super fast and trying hard to level up. All Ikaris needed is a few moments of brilliance. While Makari ain't a pull over in terms of strength and durability, she's just not on his level. Overall Ikaris should win. He's gat flight, energy project without need to prepare unlike Makari.
Also, Makkari ran right into Ikaris, right in front if his face.... kinda makes sense that Ikaris caught her. Additionally, Makkari (from what I remember) attacks from different angles later on, aside from when she punched Ikaris into the rockwall multiple times.
having a faster perception IS perceiving things in slow motion, they just never show her perspective
Perceiving time in slow motion is a byproduct of the speed you're going, there is no ability, just because they didn't show it doesn't mean she isn't perceiving time slower.
I think being grabbed is like Superman vs flash it’s a great concept of showing someone who isn’t as fast but can perceive what the other is doing and any well timed counter can catch the other faster person off guard
I just want more speedster, grabs someone to move them, turns them into paste when moving them due to the acceleration.
She was my favorite character in the movie. Of course I’m a Barry Allen fan but the speed force thing I don’t care for much
Great analysis
Ya, massive respect. Eternals might surprise you. Watch it in 10 years when it becomes a classic. I know 2 people that say it's the best mcu film. It's in my top 10. Film is subjective and the movie is objectively very well made.
Tickle your pickle is a wild statement lol. I say give the movie a shot at least. I get the criticism for it but I enjoyed it. One of my favorites of the MCU and she is my favorite character out of the short time she got in the movie. Liked her interaction with Druig and her fight scenes. Was holding my chair while she was fighting Ikaris hoping she doesn't die. One of the best depictions of speed imo. I know people aren't too keen on them but I can't wait to see the Eternals bounce off the other characters in the upcoming Avengers movies.
Makkari was an amazing rendition of a speedster (she only was missing the part where she moves other people gradually to avoid stuff like whiplash, etc). the other one for me (in a movie) was in Man of steel when Faora flattened a squad of marines. Again, they showed the speed + impact. What's sad is that was shown just once
Realistically, if a movie has a speedster and other protagonists, the speedster must be doing many more actions per scene than the others, vs being like dumbo flash backing away in slow mo
The Fox X-Men Quicksilver absolutely does control time. His iconic walkman could never turn fast enough to match his speed. Also in that movie he is shown playing pong at an accelerated speed while having a normal conversation. One could make the argument that he modified both of these things to fit his accelerated speed and he was listening to the conversation at super slow speed while playing. But then comes Apocalypse and two distinct things occur. Firstly we see Quicksilver moving fast relative to the slowed down environment around him. If the slowed down environment is only perceptional due to his accelerated speed then this doesn't make sense because it means he's going even faster in those brief moments but the environment stays the same. Maybe we can consider the audience a speedster as well and in this moment Quicksilver is simply moving faster than us. But then comes what I consider the lynchpin. Quicksilver drinks a soda. Gravity pulls at a constant rate, and we can see that this is the case when Quicksilver jumps off of things and appears to slowly float down. It is affecting him in slow motion, so it should affect all things in slow motion and be unable to be sped up. But then Quicksilver, while moving fast, drinks an entire soda in about a second. That's not possible if gravity is pulling the soda down at a constant rate which is unaffected by his speed. So the fact that he was able to drink that soda so fast means he has a localized, possibly contact based, effect on time. While the other things have the potential to be explained away through other means, this doesn't. He absolutely has a limited control over time.
Well in those cases the audience is simply inserted into Quicksilver's perception. So even when he stops and time is still apparently moving slow, his perception and ours is simply dialed up. Then he starts moving again. I think it's a visual shorthand to show that even when we're perceiving things in his realm he's still faster.
As for drinking, he's just sucking the soda down.
That said, there is an unexplained part of his powers, it's one of those things that Superman's bioelectric field, and the Speed Force explains. Namely moving other people at the speed he moves should hurt them. Badly. Yet he can control who he hurts and who he moves as if they're just dolls in a diorama without wrenching their bodies into the hospital. Such a field of influence would also explain why his walkman can keep up without being modified in such a way that the magnetic tape would catch on fire from friction.
@@3Rayfire his power canonicaly is time mnipulation
@@Riusnailly since when? You can say time manipulation is a better explanation, but no Pietro had ever had that power.
@@3Rayfire ok so instead of time manipulation Quicksilver now has "super suck". you've just exchanged one unstated power for another
@@Doc-Holliday1851 That's still a power associated with speedsters that already exists that accounts for his abilities. He doesn't manipulate time.
I like to think that she's not necessarily got fast prescription. Rather she has very fast reaction to keep up with her speed and she looks ahead when running so she doesn't need to see things in show motion to not run into things, instead she just knows the lay of the land from a glance and knows where to run to not run into anything. Effectively she looks ahead when she runs like how we drive fast. She can be caught by fast people when you can't look ahead someone grabbing you like you can look ahead where the road is going
She is the best representation of someone running fast imho. CGI in that movie is top shelf.
I was trying to making a VR game where you played as a speedster that never made it past early development, and I realized really early on if you're moving that fast nothing can surprise you and anything you touch will explode no matter how gentle you are at handling it. You simply are applying too much force over such a small surface area.
Reminds me of a game called superhot ngl
I think the reason she got caught is a matter of reflex rather than perception, but we likely will never know the details and it could have just been a writing choice. But when you can anticipate the direction of a speedster and are also heightened in terms of perception and reflex and have the strength to back it, could work
I really like the speedster-ish Yo-Yo Rodriguez from Agents of Shield; Slingshot. She moves like a speedster but with a catch....she can only maintain super speed for the space between one of her heartbeats. Once her heart beats again she is snapped back to her original position from when she activated her power. It allows for a speedster who isn't OP and the story telling options are much more interesting when considering she "sling shots" back to her starting point.
the guy that caught her is basically the eternals' version of superman. he's also fast af.
He flies towards the sun (on screen) in like 20 seconds, but I accept that it possibly was just edited that way, but suffice it to say if it took him 8 minutes, he'd be light speed.
Speed related powers are some of my favourites. And I agree with you that they are almost always badly written. Because they are technically godly powers depending on how far you want to push the concepts. I liked your reasoning on the matter in your other videos too.
I really hope we see her again. It looks dope as hell
I just saw the other video u mentioned and u definitely say "he can slow down time" i knew what u meant but u definitely say he can
so well written speedster
that made me think of watching the series
solely because of that
lol
i think the perfect way to write a speedster is to make them only slightly faster than a bullet so their still really useful but your sense of disbelief isnt destroyed when they caught off guard by something somehow
I’m sure you’ve said this before, but my difficulty with Speedsters is that they go intangible. How can they run immensely fast without catching fire or creating shock waves? Only by going intangible. Why then not phase through walls, floors, punches? Plot armor. As soon as you’re fast, you’re either Dash from Incredibles or else you’re Metroman, there is no middle-ground
just found this channel... was actually thinking about all this durability and perception thing when i was a kid when watching an old flash tv show... never understood why he would lose to dumb reasons
I think that she can perceive time slower, but there is probably a limit to it.
So she can move really really fast, but at a certain point it gets too fast and she kinda has to predict where she will end up when she's going faster than her maximum perception slowdown multiplier.
Did everyone forget dash from the incredibles? He can't think at super speed so he does bump into stuff
0:36 Evey catching a speedster like that off guard is debatable since most have their powers always working, so even if the attacker makes a sound in the last millisecond of the attack, they can dodge. Or even worst, technically, if the speedster power is always on, they can go with the impact as soon as the feel some weird touch, so it don't hurt them.
She carried that movie all by herself fr
I'm a speedster fan, your videos are EVERYTHING iv been saying for years. And we are just regular guys. Your telling me these big time writers can't decode this themselves.....really? Smh. One day a perfect representation of a speedster with be writen/drawn/created.....I jus hope it's in our era.
She isn't deaf, just always faster than sound.
Ikaris was able to grab her because he basically has the Superman power set. As shown in the one minute war comic, Superman can reach comparable speeds to the speedsters of the DC Universe, he just has a MUCH slower reaction time and acceleration rate. Given time to adapt to the speed of a given conflict, he could plausibly wrangle a speedster - not without a certain amount of luck, of course, but it’s not implausible.
When it comes to speedster powers I really like how Brandon Sanderson does it in the Mistborn universe. "Steelrunners" are pretty op, but they spend a lot of time "storing" their "speed" (time acceleration) only to get very fast for a short time. They are also screwed if you separate them from their storage devices. They still feel really op when they do their thing, but since they are pretty rare and use their powers sparingly they do not destroy the tension with questions like "why doesnt just a steelrunner do X?". Afaik they also are not any more durable than normal people, so unless they have other powers to compensate the speed they can go at is limited by air resistance tearing them to shreds.
He is written pretty well in the comics too, though it varies between the eras of course. The Disney era isn't the best as the politics get in the way too much, they added the thing where Eternals sometimes change gender when reborn so Makkari and some other Eternals became female just to satisfy some sort of political quota.
So the thing about her getting grabbed by the guy (who's name is Icarus), is that it makes sense if you watched the full movie, bc it's stated and shown several times that Icarus is the strongest eternal, and yes Makkari is faster, but he has feats of super speed as well, and has been shown to travel at speeds comparable to Makkari, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to think he could catch her off guard if she didn't expect it.
Dang, four days later and from one thousand to three and a half. You go bro!
Thank you!
Now at almost ten. I have no idea what your channel is (this is the only video I've seen) but clearly it's working.
she's over all a good speedster; on top that you could see the impact of someone with super strength fight at superspeed all the eternals have super strength and speed they all just focus their cosmic energy on to favored abilities, durability she's invulnerable to all attacks except if she hit with a cosmic weapon or another eternal.
that’s where she really outclasses flash and quicksilver because she doesn't only have super speed
Eternals was actually good but it woukd gave been amazing if it had neen a Disney plus 6 - 10 episode miniseries
The visuals was great but the story sucked, it should have been a series and they should have kept it closer to the comics with The Eternals and Deviants being warring sentient race playing into their concept of being Order vs Chaos, Gods vs Monsters how they influenced myths and legends.
@@gangofheroes I keep hearing this, and I make this same complaint about other movies, but I actually liked the story and the characters in Eternals. It felt really fresh. I was just sad we didn't get more time with some of them.
@@41-Haiku The story wasn't anything that new or fresh in my opinion ending in the most formulate.
The problem that comes with writing speedster protagonist is why most modern Flash comics have him dealing threats that deals with the Speed Force.
I think it's so silly that speedsters in movies are traveling at like Mach 3 and somehow do not completely destroy everything around them.. like wtf! How would they not leave craters in the ground with every step they take in order to gain enough friction to propel themselves at such a high speed? 2:00 this chick is moving like this while disrupting the sand the same way a person running at normal speeds would?? Are you kidding me? There would be sonic booms going on all over the place like bombs exploding in the sand!!
And it was so stupid how Quicksilver saved everybody from the house in X-Men: Apocalypse without instantly killing them. Grabbing them and moving their body so fast would've ripped their limbs off and torn them in half by suddenly changed their trajectory like that.
Ikaris (the guy who grabbed her) does have some form of super reactions/speed (his powers are based on superman) but hes not as fast as her. But being able to grab her makes sense.
i actually loved eternals and i know i can’t be alone. the plot was a little slow but i loved the characters, loved the acting, loved the effects and most of all, the direction was fantastic. i forgot it was a marvel film
That is why i love that injustice 2 cutscene of flash vs reverse flash as they are fighting mostly as superspeed and dont slow down the scene that much.
Wish we saw more of the side effects of superspeed compressing air in front of you and friction. These effects in the upper atmosphere heat things up to thousands of degrees in thin atmosphere at sea level they would be way more dramatic. Flash has the speed force to negate these effects but the other dont. Even a plane like SR71 at just mach 3 would shatter windows with the shock wave alone
Not a speedster, but in the first Spider- Man movie, I liked how they treated Peter's "spidey sense" as a slow motion sensation that he perceived, but didn't understand. It wasn't used as a gimmick again and I think that once they show it, it doesn't need repeated because we know how it works.
That movie cooked so hard with the CGI
This is why a really good speedster is Kamen Rider Kabuto. He has so many time in a bottle moments, but they're balanced out by his rider ability "Clock up", which only allows him to be at super speed for short periods of time.
The speed itself is a little inconsistent, but he's at the very least a bullet timer.
There's also Kamen Rider Faiz, which has a watch that allows him to be at super speed for about 7 seconds
visual effects is great ❤
speedsters don't have to have high durability if their power acts through some weird mechanism, like for example something that is *similar* to local/body time acceleration. This is pretty similar to durability but isn't quite the same, such as less defense against lasers.
Do not forget she has the power to sense vibrations....She does it so well She can even tell when someone's lying or Entering the room.
The other eternals are also very fast, she’s just the fastest. So when she got grabbed it is still by a really fast person. It’s like how she is super strong but there was the really really strong Asian man eternal.
I ended up liking some of the the characters in Eternals a lot, the plot being a bit convoluted and chopped up might have been a rough spot for more appeal but I really like the direction of it's visuals and challenging each of it's characters. Each one of them being godly, mistaken as gods in the past, and yet by now they are all falling apart and flawed.
You make a full video about a character and cant take the time to even watch the movie the character is in. Good thing you said that at the start of the video...
Lets be honest Here, apart from Xmen Quicksilver, no Speedster ever looked as GREAT as Makari, she is just awesome in everyway. I doubt someone will be better atleast not anytime soon
Since Icarus was written as a superman-like character, I kind of gave him a pass on grabbing her. I just assumed his power set was the same as in the comics meaning he would also have super speed. It's just not the one he primarily goes to because he likes to prolong fights
The movie was beautiful to look at but there was so many moving pieces and time periods that it would have been better served as a TV series instead. Great cast and some wonderful themes in it. If things stay based on the comics then Fantastic Four will touch on the Eternal events soon.
Wally West (pre-New 52) Flash. He once compared having a normal conversation, even waiting for somebody to finish a single sentence, at normal speed to standing in line at the DMV. For a week.
I'm avoiding spoilers here, but there is a speedster (or maybe many, depends how you see it) in the latter Dune books (not sure if book 5 or 6 now, it's been a while)
the pickle's been tickled. representing speedsters and their abilities will always, and has to be, dumbed down for obvious reasons. you could literally end anyone at any time you wanted with that insane power. personally, i'd like to see more of the psychological effects of the speedsters from switching speeds the entire time.
imagine not watching a Film but revieving a character from it lol
Well to do a time in the bottle scene you necessarily need to literally slow down time to not violate conservation of momentum.
you gotta pay extra for eternals to tickle your pickle.
she has to be able to perceive at high speed or else she WOULD crash into things, just like someone driving too fast without having quick reflexes.
You go through the trouble to make a video on a character but open up by saying you won’t even watch the movie the character is in? That doesn’t make you sound cool, it makes you sound lazy. I’m not saying I want to go watch Eternals right now, but how can you critique from clips alone?
Flash is just an example of how brain can unmatch any heroes ability
I think that all the speedsters problem lies in having multiple powers - like, they move fast, perceive fast, think fast, super durable, invincible (otherwise they would break their hands while punching at superspeed) super strong (when they need to relocate people) and can relocate people without hurting them. Just like superman - he is OP because of the whole arsenal of powers. Leave your speedster with only fast moving (or also spare them with fast perception) and they become not even close to being OP. With it being so simple, I have no idea why don't anyone use it.
I totally agree with you bro. She is well written
Best BEATABLE speedster in fiction: Mikazuchi Rei
Context: with a very short list of exceptions, every single character in Kengan is just a human who uses martial arts to achieve superhumanity that way. One example being a guy who uses “Be Like Water” to make sure his style keep evolving with every second of combat while another guy uses it to out-grapple a Jiujitsu prodigy
Backstory-no-jutsu: born into an assassin family, he’s the current successor to the fastest martial art style in the show. The reason he put down the blade is for love. With his father dying on the job, he either wants revenge for his death or the pride of the family martial art.
Explanation-jutsu: training started young so he could develop his speed, the REAL source of his speed is technique based but the drawback is the whole martial art being limited to a predictable path of attack, he uses mental techniques for added speed but the foundational one can get him into trouble with opponents who have the timing down
Ikarus grabs Makkari because he Also has super speed and when you’ve been literally beaten into a wall hard ejough to make a crevice, there’s only so many angles the next strike will come from. Also they’ve been family for 7,000 years
I think in order to make a good speedester, you need to find the fastest poeple in our current world and see what they do and how they do things. A point of reference. Fastest gunman, runner, driver, etc. The way how they would react to things when sudden change or fight happens. You'd be surprised how years of trainning, reflexes, and knowledge will do to you
She had a good deleted scene also, which was a shame they removed from the actual movie.
it is so good to see you winning
I imagine female eternal speedster MAKKARI, she’s sort-of the mother of all Speedsters, that exists within the Marvel multiverse.
What's also cool about her, is that she can't hear, because her ears works faster than sound moves. Or something like that.
I don't know if that's canon, but it makes sense to me. It did seem odd that given what Eternals were one would be deaf, but this explains why.
@rhaedas9085 i thought the same. I just heard that concept from someone who claimed to have read the comics
For me, the speedster problem I've never seen addressed that makes them the least believable is that they grab normal humans who aren't moving at all, and accelerate them to . . . super-duper speed instantaneously. That's equivalent to getting slammed into a slab of concrete at . . . super-duper speed. Their brains would slosh all to one side and they would perish instantly. The joints and bones not lifted by the speedster's hands would fold and wrap in half around the speedster's hands. It's absurd.
The "fast perception" talk is always funny. For you to even coordinate your legs to move that fast, your brain must be able to process and send signals in fractions of a nanosecond (even much less). With such speed you can literally see with your eyes sound waves as it ripples & distorts air (among other impossible feats) not to talk of seeing and processing what’s right in front of you. The only problem a speedster should have is slowing down.
Only thing I can say is she was the only character in that movie I was interested in seeing again.