Another way that would be good to limit speedsters is to show that speed and acceleration are 2 different things. Someone can have a maximum speed of 10 times the speed of sound, but it takes them 10 minutes of accelerating to get to that speed. That way, their perception only matches how fast they are already going. This would explain how a speedster could get hit by a normal person if the speedster can't accelerate to maximum speed instantly.
Or you could have a sort of backward version of this in which the speedster is vulnerable to whiplash and has to slowly decelerate or just not go at certain speeds that slowly decelerating would be necessary.
@@Mrred-cb1moAcceleration is just the variation in speed, so it concerns both the time it takes to go from a lower speed to a higher one and the time it takes to go from a higher speed to a lower speed.
There's an interesting example of one of these in the real world, the Australian tiger beetle. It's the fastest insect in the world but is so fast that every time it stops moving it has to pause for a few milliseconds to see just where it is. Its brain can't keep up with the speed.
That just made me think of captain kuro from one piece. He has a special move where he runs so fast he can't be seen, but his own brain can't keep up with how fast he moves, so he can't see what he's slashing with his blades.
Reminds me of "the comb" from the series "the lost room". By using it, it stops time for a few seconds but when it resumes you get very disoriented, so you have to stop before the moment of deactivation, probably something to do with feeling the earth beginning to rotate again.
Or, you can limit the rules of time-travel. The book about Speedstress is going to have a speedster villain from future, the teenage heroine's son. At least Speedstress herself isn't going to learn to time-travel until later, but after she does, she wouldn't do that again because while speedsters could go back in time, they can't go forward in time, meaning doing that too much could have her age faster than she should. And she can't change the past, so if she's ever late, she's late. She can't go back to be on time.
@@616Thanos I'm not talking about Wally West. I am talking about my own speedster character, Felicity Velo. Time travel rules for have been established by the chronokinetic character Clark Shadow who explains that time-travelers cannot change the past because they were already in the past. While Clark's time-manipulating powers mean he can jump back and forth between the past and future, that's not the case for speedsters who run faster than time to run in "negative time" to arrive earlier than they left, meaning it's one-way time-travel for them. Milo Velo is pissed off that he's trapped in the past with no way to go back to the future. So he does the same things history said about the speedster villain Negaspeed, because it turns out he was Negaspeed and could not do anything to change the past because it's one timeline.
"Oh the writing has to be inconsistent or it would be boring" People making excuses for bad writing really annoys me. Humans are infinitely creative, we find solutions to problems without needing to justify bad writing. The reason shows give us garbage is because of the people who defend the garbage
So many things could be used! Some things CW touched on but never completely utilized as well as the televised shows: magic the kills people moving over a set speed, time manipulation (slowing or stopping time), power dampening fields done correctly, power activation requirements, and maybe permanent physical taxation.
to be fair, you do take off some consistency and/or logic to write a story. but that's less about a character and more about a story itself. Like, especially when it comes to magical stuffs, very much specifically when it comes to magical stuffs if you do not lay one ounce of rule to how the powers work I can absolutely guarantee at least one viewer will think: but couldn't he just- and then the thoughts run across the community but then, if you take the most logical course of action to deal with a problem- then there's no story. Take avatar the last airbender for example, the show is great it's amazing, the story is fantastically well written and then you think *couldn't Aang during the final fight just- quite literally create a void of no air (thus no oxygen) around Ozai when he was in his avatar state (where he was being ruthless kid craving for the death of the opponent instead of the pacifist monk he tends to be)* creating a void isn't exactly hard I mean it's just push the air from a specific location, no more different than everything else done in the show but right, while very easy solution, not really very appealing for a final fight of a series
"It's just a movie" is the most annoying answer I get when I try and discuss an inconsistency in writing. I mean, I don't get it, don't people understand what fictional storytelling is supposed to be on such a fundamental level? Edit: Just to elaborate a bit further, to make myself clear; a fictional story needs some internal logic, in order for the audience to be immersed, because you need to be able to build suspense, relief and stuff like that. If the audience does not understand the rules of the world they can not build their expectations of what is expected to happen, what dangers lurk and so forth. On the other hand, if they not only not understand, but positively know that there is no self consistent internal logic, immersion is broken. They are suddenly not observing a story that lives on its own, but a storyteller trying to tell them a story they conceived.
I think YoYo Rodriguez was a great example of a speedster with limits from Agents of Shield. She can only use super speed in the time between her heartbeats, and once her heart beats again, she "snaps back" or retrogrades back to her starting point. The calmer she is ,the lower her heart rate, which gives her more time at superspeed, and the necessity of having to be flung back to her original spot creates some interesting and creative obstacles/advantages to how she uses her power in various situations.
she can also side-step the "time in a bottle" issue, by her still having a time limit even when time is functionally standing still. there's also probably a recharge issue, so she can't just spam it.
@@RiverRapids11235 She can spam it to a certain extent, but she will get fatigued and she has to plan what she wants to accomplish and how to go about to prevent a potential disaster when she snaps back. Plus the stress and exertion increases her heart rate which would limit her time more and more each instance if she were to try to use it back to back, so she learns other combat skills in order to avoid relying on it as her only option.
im willing to let that dash tac example slide because knowing dash he probably has been practicing that specific prank and knew how to run to the chair and back without needing to perceive time slowly rather just did it from memory of the room
That what I was thinking, wondering how he would run back to the chair without it making no noise. I would suspect he’d slow down time enough to place the tac and get back to his seat smoothly.but we know he ain’t do that since the camera caught the blur of him.
Except, since he's in the back of the room, if just one kid put their bag on the floor or had their legs splayed out in his path, then he's going to be crashing through the desk, potentially with a kid's leg entangled with his own. He can practice it all he wants, but he can't predict what final obstacles will be in his way. Yes, he could have looked beforehand, and that could have been a primer, but he also waited for the exact moment that the teacher was going to sit down. There's also the fact that he ran through an extensive amount of jungle later in the film. He had no way of practicing that particular course, and it was significantly more dangerous and random, and it would have required his perception to match his speed.
Adding to your point, this is effectively stated as a repeat thing based on the teacher's testimony so it makes sense that Dash has been practicing it.
@@JSFofWT And? He was still running pretty damn fast. He was running over uneven terrain at a speed where the slightest misstep wouldn't just include clipping a tree with an armored shell, but complete catastrophe for his own body. Most people with an average perception wouldn't be able to outrun several flying vehicles that wanted to hurt them, over unfamiliar and risky terrain in a scary situation, all the while making life-or-death snap decisions repeatedly over quick succession. It would be like being on a high way going 70 mph and being expected pass a math test where you can only see the questions as you're passing them, and with less than an second to answer them. Relativity is a bitch for speedsters - that's why they're so commonly portrayed as having a heightened perception in the first place. Otherwise, you just end up mowing through people like the speedster in the Boys did with that girl in the first episode. Dash not only had to see where he was going, he had to understand what he was doing, while maintaining his own wellbeing and his footing, and making several snap decisions back to back to back where any mistake could be fatal - all while being scared and in a stressful situation where his family were likely in just as much danger - and he only survived, he handled the whole thing like a champ. It's simply illogical to think that he doesn't have a higher perception than normal.
I will say, Omni Man is shown to have a fast perception and superspeed to some extent. You can see this in e8 of S1 of Invincible during the fight between Omni man and Invincible, more specifically when the part of the fight when they are in the subway. Omni man is clearly shown to perceive both marks punches as well as the world around him at a slower rate. otherwise, great video!
To add to that, Omni man didn't outspeed red rush. He noticed a pattern in his behaviour and then deliberately exploited it. He predicted where he would attack from and grabbed there, while he was still baiting the attack. And after red rush was caught, he didn't let go of him until it was over.
@@hulmhochberg8129 Actually Omni-Man does let go of Red Rush during the scene after he catches him and Red Rush doesn't run away he just stands there to wait for Omni-Man to catch him again.
@@pinkliongaming8769 that was like for 1 frame, so he can grab his head. also you can argue he pulled him to towards himself, throwing red rush off balance.
@@hulmhochberg8129 If Red Rush is perceiving time as slowly as implied, then predicting the punch still wouldn't make a difference as he would have lots of time from his point of view to see Omni Man moving his arm and react
0:12 I literally was writing a comment pointing out that speedsters just STOP NEEDING EVERY ABILITY UNDER THE SUN! The issue is Speedsters have TOO MANY powers! More than just Super Speed!
Well that is what you get though you would unluck almost every single superpower ever by just mastering superspeed the problem is that this would make the speedster to OP in the story's that is why speedsters are nerfed 98% of the time so that they can add a story to it that would make the speedster seem weak at first but in reality if a speedster mastered it's superspeed would it easily be able to destroy characters like superman, Omniman, goku etc my point is a realistic speedster would be on the level of the gods when it comes to power scaling heck the speedster could possibly even defeat the gods if it wanted to also speedsters don't get their powers from the sun no that is part mf supermans powers source speedsters have the speedforce as power source they can use the energy of the speedforce and take it to their own advantage rather it's Blasting the villains away with lightning or speed up the already speed healing
@@truthseeker7815 Okay here are some abilities you can cut from speedsters without having too many abilities. Again you can have them be given MULTIPLE abilities just not ALL of them! Cut/ nerf these abilities; 1. Unlimited agility 2. Unlimited leg strength (no running speed doesn't = good carry) 3. Unlimited endurance 4. Unlimited regeneration 5. Time travel 6. Unlimited perception 7. Unlimited stamina 8. Unlimited focus 9. Unlimited reaction time Some of these powers you could cut and make them WEAKNESSES! "oh I used my brain too much during the slow-mo reaction? My brain is overworked and starting to get foggy!" "Oh I can run faster than the speed of light but OH NO, I'M TEARING UP MY BODY!" etc, etc, etc. Again the issue isn't having these but having an unregulated amount/ absurd amount.
1. I rarely see speedsters that have unlimited agility. You don’t even need agility to dodge a bullet if you move at the speed of light 2. Being a speedster requires leg strength. You wouldn’t be able to run if you had none. 3. Could be interesting probably what you were going for with leg strength. Also this does get addressed in some speedsters. Barry consumes 10k calories daily (should probably consume more but at least it was addressed). It’s mentioned once early that Cisco made an energy bar with a ridiculous amount of calories in it. 4.Regeneration is not always a part of speedsters. It depends on what their abilities affect. In Barry’s case and most of the speedsters in DC it comes from the speed force which speeds up everything about them. This includes their metabolism and healing. 5. This is just a DC speed force thing. Even with how fast Superman is he can’t time travel. 6. Speedster would naturally have really good perception or they wouldn’t be able to move at such high speeds. They have to perceive things faster or they might just run into a wall. Perception doesn’t mean being able to see all around them at all times. It just means to being able to perceive what is in their line of sight. So sneaking up on a speedster is in theory possible. But they could also counteract this by constantly spinning around. But then if you don’t speed up their healing you can use dizziness as to why they can’t constantly do that 7. Now that I’m writing this I realize endurance is pointless to talk about. We care more about stamina which once again I point to needing to consume a ton of calories. 8. I like lack of focus idea. Except that it’s what they usually go to (or something similar). Flash loses fights because he forgets he can do something or he’s just being stupid. 9. This goes back to perception. If you can move at the speed of light and due to that perceive things at the speed of light your reaction time is going to be insanely high. I’d say 4, 5 and 8 are really easy to cut out. They don’t naturally come with speed. 3 and 7 can easily be addressed with by saying the speedster eats a ton of calories daily. The real issue with speedsters is that get put up against people with abilities that have no way of actually defeating a speedster yet the speedster somehow loses a fight. Give us villains that are appropriate for fighting speedsters. Reverse flash and that guy with slow force abilities are examples of abilities that would be good ways to counters speedsters. I love snarts character but his abilities just are not a good match for Barry.
I like the explanation that in that instance dash was at his ultimate top speed, something he can only sustain in short bursts. Like a sprint combined with a prethought action you can't do spontaneously.
The speedster from the anime Darker than Black was my favorite. He's able to accelerate to the point he becomes invisible, but only does it in short bursts and in a straight line in order to avoid crashing into things (likely because he becomes blind while traveling so fast). He moves really fast, but for the most part just looks like someone moving really fast as upposed to super speed. And he loses his fight because he begins to accelerate into light speed just as a bunch of water dropplets start coming from the sky, essentially becoming bullets at that speed. Constantly has to eat too. Which makes sense considering the insane amount of energy output he'd have to supply. Runs around with a bag of burgers lmao.
Scrolled down and expected somebody to mention Goran (DTB2). He eats those burgers because it's his contract power price. Plus he complains that his muscles will hurt in the morning.
About Dash and the Tack: Humans can do moves quicker than their perception under two circumstances. 1.) They reflexively react. 2.) They Pre-plan a sequence of movements. Number 2 can first be achieved by focused visualization followed by immediate implementation. Secondly, 2 can be accomplished by repetitive practice of a single skill. But these methods all have the drawback of being a single movement or a short, fluid order of movements. They can be done repeatedly, but each instance itself is short lived. Ash could have pulled off the tack prank with both flavors of strategy 2. I’d guess it was the visualization flavor though, because he was probably trying to explore his limits.
The second explanation is exactly what a character in the anime World trigger does. The character in question was able to move super fast(not quite remember how much) so much so that her brain and reflexes wouldn't be able to keep up. So when the character attacks she does a pre planed set of motions. In a fight an opponent is able to figure it out and predicts her path to counter her. Anyways, the anime is pretty good so I recommend it.
The trick to A good speedster (and good super hero's in general) is to have well defined rules that ALL writers are held to at all times. A list of both powers and limitations that are consistent and checked each time your character is to be used.
Also the secret to good sci-fi in general, since advanced technology is basically a "superpower" of a sort. When the Enterprise was damaged, you knew Scotty would take a while to get warp drive back, so Kirk had to think of something. While when Voyager was damaged, they'd fuss about it until the last minute, then Seven would hit three keys and it would work again.
Kamen Rider Kabuto I would say is a good example of that, there are many speedster in that show but their speed are from technology so they need to activate it before they become fast and there is a time limit to using it, most of the villain are also monster that move at insane speed or similar speedster and when dealing with non speedster they never have a problem beside when their power are deactivated
In the comics, I think Flash once explained that while yes, he can perceive things at super-speed, it would be like running all the way, so he just tunes out and sorta goes on automatic, and that is why he is sometimes caught in dumb ways
Yeah, this explanation could have been used in the show. It makes sense because at his perception it would feel like he is walking at normal speed everywhere which would take him "hours" in his timeframe. Having him tune out to make the trips less tedious for himself would make sense.
@@christaylor9095 Yes, which is why it would work. It could be a character flaw. They even set it up good but didn't follow through with it. For example in one of the crossover episodes Olivier teaches him a lesson about being observant. When you are driving a car on a long drive are you paying attention 100% of the time or do you sometimes go on auto pilot? Its dangerous to not pay attention, but we all do it.
I think Dash's perception abilities work mainly because I think he has to lock in to use it but not necessarily use it everytime he runs. For instance when he's running on water, he realizes what's happening and laughs in normal time. But at the beginning of the movie, and in certain scenes, we see him maneuver in tight areas. He may not be Barry Allen fast perception, but he doesn't have to be. In the prank scene he's only moving 30ish feet at most at a couple hundred miles an hour at least. I think that warps the perception of him being Flash fast
I don’t even think he realizes he can prolly do that.he’ll prolly have to train his mind-and learn to do it. Like with syndrome guards , dash could’ve really dismantled them and they wouldn’t even notice.
The only show that consistently showed the power and potential of superspeed was Smallville. It was the main power Clark used throughout the series and it's importance was always very clear. Was very impressed with that show in general.
One reason why CW’s flash doesn’t make since is in the JL cartoon series they mention that the only way for the Flash to maintain his speed is he needs to eat a lot, because he’s constantly burning energy and food helps him to keep up. This simple thing gets forgotten a lot about the Flash.
The other end to that limitation is he'd have to crap repeatedly too. Sure he could run to the toilet but how fast is his colon? He could just do it anywhere but if another speedster happened along he'd have an awkward moment avoiding eye contact while pooping in a potted plant. On three plus side he'd win the fight because they wouldn't want him touching them having not washed his hands.
Worm has a bunch of fun solutions to this. Velocity can move super speed but his mass decreases in proportion to his speed, so his punches get weaker the faster he goes. Battery has to charge up her speed and can only go fast in bursts. Chuckles has super-speed movement and perception but can’t ever turn it off, meaning the world always appears to be moving incredibly slowly to him, so he went completely insane. Legend’s brain shuts down more the faster he goes; he could go the speed of light but he would be insensate.
My favorite take on speedsters is Flicker from The Fall of Doc Future. As soon as chapter 1, it's obvious that Flicker is so powerful that the idea of her being in any kind of danger, or any risk of losing, is ludicrous. Her limitations come from the fact that she basically destroys everything she interacts with if she's not careful. And if she goes too fast, she basically starts nuking everything around her, so she has to manage her speed depending on where she is.
Most of the time, yes. I can buy he had problems catching a dude made of magma coz he doesn't want to burn, or the normal dude who stays anonymous and plants bombs at random places.
I can suggest another way to write a speedster. Weight changing inversely with the speed of movement. The heavier the object, the more energy is needed to accelerate it. It would be logical if a speedster could reduce his mass to gain more speed. But the smaller its mass, the more difficult it is to influence the surrounding world. He could even accelerate to the speed of light, but in this state he is essentially a ghost who cannot even move a paper cup. In this way, the speedster can become untouchable for those around him, but those around him also become untouchable for him.
Omni man is a speedster since Mark is too it's shown in the one scene where amber and he are about to do the dirty and he switches of the lights at super speed wich means its a voltrumite ability
We even see his eyes tracking Red Rush in the scene where he kills him. Because he baits Red Rush into a pattern he's able to use his worse superspeed to catch him. If Red Rush had stayed on defense they all would have lived, but Omni man is just fast enough to catch him if he gets an advantage.
I’d love to see a speedster that has to completely obey inertia. No instant stop, and they have to turn wide if they’re running very fast. I feel like even with super perception this would solve the op issue. Imagine a speedster barreling towards something they don’t want to hit, but not having the strength or time to reduce their velocity, so they have to watch in slow motion as they fumble/crash
I like the idea. Someone like that wouldn't be able to run that fast, because running really fast recquires a crazy acceleration applied to your legs at every step. So they likely wouldn't really run faster than a regular human elite sprinter. After all, mental speed is already not the main limiting facter for a trained sprinter, except for 0.2 seconds on the starting line. Still, super-speed perception alone would already be pretty OP. The closest I can think of are Spiderman and Jedis, but it's not fully explicit and consistent. That, and manga characters having a full existential crisis in-between two punches, but that's a different story.
3:50 sometimes if the writers are actually trying, flash only perceives things as if it's frozen when he's focused. Other cannons try to say everything is always is slow motion which is insane.
One of the better speedsters I've seen is Brianna from Michael Grant's "Gone" book series. She can run at hundred of miles per hour but when she does she basically uses all the nutrition she has, and also her shoes get destroyed constantly. But both of these issues are seemingly forgotten in the later books, she runs around with no issue, even when she is literally starving. At the very least when she finally loses it's to another speedster.
I mean, I really liked the first season, even 2 and 3 was good, but it really had these moments where Barry could just solve everything in a second and the episode would be over.
4:43 It is perception wise it is & we actually know viltrumites are speedsters and can run & do actions fast without flying look at both Mark and Omniman in s1/2 They throw a ball across the entire globe and very easily catch it as it’s going a fraction of the speed of light
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An anime called World Trigger had a great use of super speed. The person using it had to effectively preprogram in their own movements. So the speed could only be used in short bursts, and if you anticipated how they were going to move, they couldn't react to change their pattern. It perfectly solves the issue that CW Flash and Red Rush had where people could react to where they were going to be, despite both of those characters ostensibly being able to react faster than anyone should be able to. I'm also a fan of Super Speed needing to be something that is activated, as opposed to it just constantly being active. That way speedsters wouldn't be living in an agonizingly slow hell all of the time, as well as having it make sense for them to get surprised once in a while.
There is away to make speedsters less powerful without diminishing their awesomeness. Require limits to ramping the speed of their reaction time and perception. This allows them to be defeated by non speedsters, but if they can overcome the limitation, they can still pull off the same overpowered feats. This requires them to plan initial moves without the benefit of reactions and course corrections. This is especially true for heroes, since they cannot cause collateral damage or casualties.
If writers want to create untouchable speedsters like The Flash or Quicksilver, they also need to come up with clever ways to neutralize them that make sense. It’s not enough to have them lose through random plot armor or implausible scenarios. Think about strategies that counteract speed and reaction time like taking them out while they’re asleep, sneaking up from behind, blinding them, or using traps they can’t outrun. Even drugging them could work, though their superfast metabolisms might complicate that. The point is to challenge their godlike powers in ways that feel logical and satisfying, rather than breaking the rules of their powers.
Clear line or hard to see line across a path you either know they go down or bait them to go down pair that with something that makes it so they cannot move like oil or other slick material. There have been plenty of people who ride on trails and then come across a line along the path.
@@TorquemadaTwist Technically Captain Cold can do something similar as he has a tech that produces an absolute zero aura around him which robs objects of their momentum.
@gangofheroes I was thinking more along the lines of Flash being stripped of plot armor. All the physics he gets to side step through the speed force would be front and center. Super speed would need a lot of distance to stop. He'd have to limit himself in close quarters or risk killing people and destroying things. It would be excruciating for him to see things at super speed but have to move slowly and carefully. The Suck would suck.
The 4th way to write a speedster is to make them lose because their are being predictable, arrogant, and dumb. The Flash TV series actually did this well when Oliver defeated Barry for the first time by knowing where Barry was going to stop.
Counter arguement to the thumbtack thing. Maybe Dash had found a moment when the class was empty to rehearse the move at slower speeds, and gradually work it up to super speed. He could get probably a hundred or so practice runs in 5-10 minutes at least, and by working your way up, you don't need to be able to percieve at that speed, you just need the perfect moment when there's nothing blocking your practiced route. That probably isn't the explanation in the Incredibles, but I've always wanted to see a speedster rehearse certain complex actions so that they can do them at speeds that they wouldn't be able to percieve normally. A great way for the writer to let them do something insane that doesn't break the character, or a great way for something to go wrong, since they're moving too fast to react and are relying on muscle memory.
What makes sonic funny is that in the games/canon he has instant acceleration which is why a majority of the ways he loses are to fast people or just really strong characters that he cant hurt
The thing about Red Rush is that he was victim to Newton's third law and could change his direction fast enough despite knowing Omniman was reaching for him incredibly fast. You actually see this during all of his scenes, before he makes a large change of direction he comes to a stop for a moment.
To be fair, Red Rush did not seem like a combatant to me. He never had to deal with anyone who can touch him let alone grapple him. So he knew how to throw a punch but not much else.
I genuinely love these kind of videos, because I'm on the 6 season in DC Barry and it makes me mad how he mf loses, so i genuinely love these, so thanks for the new vid I was waiting thats not a joke( edit is after i watched the vid) i actually love this vid since you do go over hoa they should have draw backs,and how they should be defeated in a good way, and i like the dash topic it was good, but the A-train one really caught my attention
Another thing about a train is that i think around the time he was practicing for a raxe between another speedster in the show they mention him needing to eat like 20,000 calories a day or something to sustain himself for all the calories he burns which explains why he got fat in the show once his heart problems stopped him from running and burning those calories
I think a really good adaptation of Flash is in the Justice League Unlimited episode "Flash and substance." Where he's challenged by his villains because they either catch him completely off guard or outsmart him.
As an ongoing writer of whom many characters are absurdly fast, the main two ways I present ''realistic'' (perhaps believable is a better term) scenarios through which a very fast character can still be threatened, are through two means: 1. Restriction of their own power. I.E: Their power isn't always active, but more akin to force speed from Star Wars, something that has to be actively used. Think of it like the difference between a walk or light jog, or a full sprint. You're not usually going to do the latter, because you'll drain yourself rapidly. This applies foremost to my protagonist, who unlike some of his antagonists does tire out. He has a gas tank, a limited amount of energy to spend, and has to apply it intelligently. This prevents the question of ''Why doesn't he just use superspeed to do this or that''. There is a limit. 2. Even playing fields. The characters traveling and fighting at insane speeds don't have peers besides others that also have access to similar speeds, and I make damn sure that disparity is never broken. It has a 100% consistency throughout the story. No ''speedster'' (they're not, they're just powerhouses in general who have superspeed) in my story is ever going to be threatened by anyone even close to a human level for instance. And this actually forces me to write more creatively, expand the arsenal of potential threats. It's part of why I like it. And for a little bonus, none of my characters as I mentioned are actual speedsters. They're just incredibly powerful in general, more akin to Superman than The Flash. And the main reason why is durability. The idea of someone being absurdly fast but having basically no other powers never sat right with me, because going far past sound speed already means a human would splatter themselves. This means you'd have to invent some means through which that doesn't happen, and often times that isn't explained with speedsters, leading to insane moments of inconsistency like Fox's Quicksilver being able to run through water drops at mach 8,000, but hurting himself tripping into some grass and wood at barely surpassing human running speeds. That doesn't happen to my characters. Their speed might not be constant, but the rest of them is. A normal knife would just snap even if you'd try to push it into their eyeball while they're asleep, because how else could they survive a run at lightspeed with their eyes open, with ''soft'' particles entering it the whole time, particles that would have continental level catastrophic damage effects if they were to collide you with at lightspeed much less more? Superspeed is an incredible ability, especially when you're at such speeds that it's comparable to meddling with time, but it *has* to be written well. 99% Of writers just don't seem to understand that superspeed isn't just an ability. It's essentially the affecting of a dimension. It's not just a buff to your overall ability. It changes the dynamics of a character and how they can move and fight. It unlocks a lot of new pathways by which a character can tackle a problem, but with those new pathways also comes the responsibility of either using them, or explaining to your audience how and why one of them or even all of them cannot be used. Self imposed limitations are the key to good writing in my opinion.
Did you consider that a speedster needs a downward force keeping him on the ground? The shove from your leg that pushes you forward ALSO pushes you UP, we're just too weak to notice that in Earth gravity. This is why fast animals change their stride as they accelerate -- because the walking stride and the running stride work differently in terms of forces and angles. But there is no stride that will keep a 200-pound man on the ground when his leg exerts a 10,000-pound force at a 45-degree angle.
I'm loving these speedster videos. They are such interesting and unique characters, and are almost always relegated to the side-character spot. Favorite speedster scene is the one from Xmen where Quicksilver puts on the headphones and runs around the room. I love the idea that the headphones play are clearly playing the entire song in a split second. (Is it even possible to do that?) Fun anyways.
man i have waiting for this video the only speedster content to watch was ofc you and those cw shorts so thank you for this imma finsh watching the vid now :)
A personal favorite speedster is from Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn series. Steelpushers are able to store their speed in something called a metalmind, which has to be made out of steel. They can store an amount proportional to the amount of steel they have on their body, and they can only draw their speed out when it's still touching them. Steelpushers can only draw from their own metalminds. And the best part, when the steelpusher stores speed, they're that much slower. But you can also draw it out as fast as you want. They do not have faster perception, and they do have to worry about friction, which is another thing that's not often addressed with speedsters.. So if you were a steelpusher and decided to be half speed for an hour, you can be double speed for an hour later. Or half an hour and quadruple speed. Or 15 minutes at 8x speed, and so on.
They may not have super speed, but wind moves pretty fast. So it is lightning and ice can make him sleep but I suppose he’s faster than a trigger pull.
I think the best hard cap for a speedster is objects. At the speeds shown in most comic book speedsters even a piece of paper would tear you to shreads. Rain would be a hard counter. This would make their time perception valuable while also forcing them to navigate the world more carefully. Doesnt matter how fast you COULD run if the area is full of things you need to avoid. Running through a plume of dust would cause injury, running into someone would put you in the hospital.
0:54 How's that a problem? The dude had his powers for two episodes, he's not supposed to know he can punch through a fullmetal dude and not squash his arm into tomato juice. Rightfully so tbh, if all the speedforce extra abilities weren't conveniently there.
Very true, later on I realized some speedsters wouldn't even touch one to give a punch, but the same way Flash and others would give punches at full speed which would absolutely oblitarate their arms if they didn't have steel bones. I like the show but it shows everything a speedster can do at one moment or other and then it completely forgets about it in a few episodes and comes back later
I think there's still more to study on specifically Flash's case. There's decades of buildup around him, and these suggestions basically require rolling back what his identity is. So much lore establishing he's supposed to be the fastest thing possible, some odd interaction with friction so that nothing goes wrong, and exploring his top speed as competing with the speed of light and often capable of time travel. With those constraints already in place, THEN try writing a good Flash. The problem is that just baseline he's overpowered yet supposed to be a day-to-day hero facing conflicts. Newer speedsters seem to be generally better written.
Or have levels to it. kinda like in the hellsing anime where alucard has a majority of his strength and abilities locked away. Perhaps it does something to his body and if they use to much of the higher levels it risks death like rock Lee in Naruto and the gates,
Dash runs on water 💀 I think you’re SEVERLY underestimating how fast a human foot of such a small size needs to be traveling before that becomes feasible.
I just wanna say thank you for making this video 5 minutes long. I hate when people drag out a simple opinion into a lecture. Way to just get to the point! Cheers. You got my follow.
If you're looking for suggestions, try the TV adaptation of Preacher. There are several inconsistencies in power level. The first time we see Cassidy, he's able to pick up an entire cow, but regularly gets beat up or restrained by humans. Then the first time we see Jody, he picks up the rear end of a truck to drop it on a guy's head, but suffers the same kind of decay, being beat up by Jesse in a fist fight.
I once had a concept for a speedster, essentially his reaction time is reactive to two factors, his speed and the danger he is in. The faster he moves, the faster he can react to things up until it reaches a certain point where he sees things in slo mo. He can never really be caught off guard by a gun since his reaction speed increases when he is in danger. Of course then comes his speed, he can move faster than a human. But within his biological limits. If he attempts to move faster than his body can handle it. It will rip it apart or cause it to burn in certain areas due to friction. His limiting factor was his durability.
A speedster done right that never gets talked about is Yo Yo from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Her power manifest in short bursts of speed, but only for the duration of one heartbeat and she must return to her original location before the heartbeat ends. that limitations caps her range and her ability to spam Speed to solve all problems. And it lead to her losing her arms later in the story. But once she used speed, she got to have all the Flash-like quicktime cinematic events but be less overpowered or problematic for the plot
The real problem with speedsters is that it seems like a lot of people don't actually want the speedster to have super speed in the first place, but at the same time thinking super speed is the coolest power ever. Super Speed is SUPER SPEED. Being so fast that you can perceive time and move within attoseconds... is just what "super speed" inherently means. Speed is supposed to be cool and fun, so just let the speedster be cool and fun. Write the character to be FAST and commit to it. Give 'em stakes and obstacles that match up to that level of speed. Don't put a speed-focused character against a challenge that would be automatically overcome by that speed, unless him dominating it with his speed is the intention for "coolness".
Oh oh TurboGranny from DanDaDan is a perfect example he has a super speed more spesificly 100km/h but he can go from zero to 100 within 1-3 seconds, i hope that someone who knows DanDaDan notice me
There's a character in the my here academia spin-off, vigilantes, who is also a speedster. In the brief moment his powers are active he becomes untouchable. His weakness, though, is that he can't breathe when speeding, so his powers are limited by the build up of carbon in his lungs. We end up seeing an imposter arrive with a more advanced version of his power, stolen from the original hero, who is beaten by the original hero playing a recording so fast that only the imposter can here. Despite being stronger, the imposter is chased off because that brief distraction holds his attention long enough to reach the limit of his oxygen, and thus slow down. It was a fun read.
I'd write speedsters as if their powers where focused based. The more focused they are in getting from point A to point B, the faster they are and the slower they can perceive things. This does a few things: 1. Makes them vulnerable to sneak attacks, 2. Gives them time to have a normal perception of time when doing normal things. No more, "every hour feels like a decade" bullshit. 3. At their most focused/fastest, they are also vulnerable to (hyperspeed) sneak attacks. As they would be hyper-focused on one thing and filtering everything else. 4. Makes meditating a viable way to train their powers. Being poetic, "in order to move the fastest, you must learn to stay still."
Watched a Sonic video where the guy pointed out that Sonic dosnt travel at his top speed because the resulting wind would create a Sonic boom that would trash the neighborhood. Maybe bring that up in shows like the Flash where the priority is protecting the town or in the villains case targeting Barry.
I think Red Rush getting caught is due to Omni man's predictive ability, he's thousands of years old, military minded all the way, and probably has fought speedsters before. Like imagine if quicksilver in the marvel movies attacked the Hulk, all Hulk would have to do is be a little predictive and he could get ahold of him, then it's over. Non of either of their punches actually would hurt who their attacking
I do have one small criticism on the path to get to a point I ultimately agrre with. The difference between Metro Man and The Flash is that CW Flash is focused on The Flash as a main character, while Megamind is focused on Megamind. Megwmind works because Metro Man's actions are a twist that the audience isn't clued in on. He is meant to be an unstoppable obstacle that removes himself from the story. If The Flash did something similar out of boredom, it might work for a bit, but it couldn't sustain a story.
Something to note is Metroman's "after effect" when he moves fast. He isn't just leaving a frame of him, he is leaving a color of the light. He is moving faster than the light spectrum. That, or he just has a nice unique after effect.
meanwhile one punch man characters constantly having their feats matter and not losing randomly by idiotic writing always becoming faster and act like thet get faster
A really good speedster to writing for me is in Kamen Rider Kabuto Kamen Rider being basically the uncle of Power Ranger as a series as it been running since 1971 But back to main point what make speedster in Kabuto good in specific for me is the fact they need to touch an actual switch to activate their speed and there is a time limit to it so they cannot just be fast all the time, but when they are fast nothing can beat them beside other speedster What more interesting though is their speed is from acceleration of their personal time rather than actual speed boost so them perceiving the world slowly make sense
Another great speedster that uses multiple limitations and drawbacks you mentioned is Okarun feom Dandadan. He can only go 100km/h, has a hear limit on how many times he can go all out, can't turn sharp corners (espexially when he's carring something, and as far as we know doesn't have slowmotion perception.
You mentioned the anime characters briefly, but one that came to mind for me specifically was Shinra from Fire Force, he's fast because he shoots fire out of his feet and can propel himself, but in a few instances throughout the series he gets "Blessed" by an outside source and essentially gains high tier speedster powers for a short time, so he's only OP when the plot deems him so, but it's never something he can just do on his own
There's cool 'Speedsters' in the Mistborn series. They are incredibly limited, but nonetheless very well written. They need to 'Store speed' for hours and hours, which means that they need to spend a lot of days, weeks or even months where they just move really slow. The slower they move and the more time they do it, the more speed they accumulate. After that, they can release it in extremely big bursts to become almost invincible or slowly to cover large distances or to make it last in long fights. One of them even stopped an explosion once. There's like a hundred extra completely layers to it, but my point is that if you want good speedsters Mistborn is the place to go.
I think a good way to counter speedsters is with traps or illusions. Something they can't grasp without guessing with a little of risk. Another way I find funny is when a speedsters carry a villain, theoretically now the speedster is at normal speed relatively to the villain so they can fight fairer. Could be nice to see this in a very tanky unit that the speedster is having trouble to fight.
World trigger does an interesting thing with one of their characters where she has to actively route out the path that she'll take when attacking an enemy. She ends up losing because her target catches on and sort of puts blades in her direct path.
Jinx’e shimmer boost in Arcane was a good example too. It gave her a super fast reaction time and speed but only in small bursts and but didn't give her to run super speeds. Which made it seem more like anaerobic burst, like the other side of the coin to what dash has.
It needs to be like a battery. They have "default" super speed, but they can energize themselves to get "hyperspeed" that makes perception very slow. That would explain how speedsters lose SOMETIMES, but can show great feats in other times.
One that I remember is Sloth The Indolent from FMAB. Extremely fast and bulky, to the point that he creates a vacuum whenever he moves fast, but is way too fast from him to react or control his movements. An ironic play from him to be extremely fast when all he wants is to sleep (constantly complaining about it "Such a pain! Coming back is a pain... But then, fighting all out is the biggest pain of all"). In Christianity, sloth is a deadly sin that represents apathy and inactivity in the practice of virtue, so Sloth not even trying to control his monstrous speed, which he was made with, plays into the ironic theme of the anime.
The Gone series by Michael Grant has a speedster that is defeated by the dark. If she can't see where she's running, she will almost guaranteed trip on an obstacle and break her leg at super speed. She can also only perceive things "faster" if they are relative to her velocity. For example, she can see bullets going by, but only if she's already running at 300 mph. If you shot her from behind unprepared, she'd be as dead as the next person.
One such anime speedster is iida/Enginium from My Hero Academia. Anime in general tends to play fast and loose with movement speed roughly correlating to perception speed, but his speed abilities are specifically modeled after a combustion engine. He can power it up in different amounts, but it all takes stamina and his strongest exertions of it can overheat/blowout the engine.
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Another way that would be good to limit speedsters is to show that speed and acceleration are 2 different things. Someone can have a maximum speed of 10 times the speed of sound, but it takes them 10 minutes of accelerating to get to that speed. That way, their perception only matches how fast they are already going. This would explain how a speedster could get hit by a normal person if the speedster can't accelerate to maximum speed instantly.
That’s actually a good idea
Or you could have a sort of backward version of this in which the speedster is vulnerable to whiplash and has to slowly decelerate or just not go at certain speeds that slowly decelerating would be necessary.
@@Mrred-cb1moAcceleration is just the variation in speed, so it concerns both the time it takes to go from a lower speed to a higher one and the time it takes to go from a higher speed to a lower speed.
Funny enough, Flash already addressed that difference in the comics
Just like how rengoku ran (in demon slayer) to catch the speed demon
There's an interesting example of one of these in the real world, the Australian tiger beetle. It's the fastest insect in the world but is so fast that every time it stops moving it has to pause for a few milliseconds to see just where it is. Its brain can't keep up with the speed.
That just made me think of captain kuro from one piece. He has a special move where he runs so fast he can't be seen, but his own brain can't keep up with how fast he moves, so he can't see what he's slashing with his blades.
Reminds me of "the comb" from the series "the lost room". By using it, it stops time for a few seconds but when it resumes you get very disoriented, so you have to stop before the moment of deactivation, probably something to do with feeling the earth beginning to rotate again.
Or Sloth from Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. He has super speed, but if he misses his target, his momentum keeps him going.
That's the chidori you're describing
The simplest way to do it is to have the speedster be like Dash. No time travel shit just speedy
Or, you can limit the rules of time-travel. The book about Speedstress is going to have a speedster villain from future, the teenage heroine's son. At least Speedstress herself isn't going to learn to time-travel until later, but after she does, she wouldn't do that again because while speedsters could go back in time, they can't go forward in time, meaning doing that too much could have her age faster than she should. And she can't change the past, so if she's ever late, she's late. She can't go back to be on time.
He's a child
@@SeanWheeler100 I mean wally beat death he has no limits
@@616Thanos I'm not talking about Wally West. I am talking about my own speedster character, Felicity Velo. Time travel rules for have been established by the chronokinetic character Clark Shadow who explains that time-travelers cannot change the past because they were already in the past. While Clark's time-manipulating powers mean he can jump back and forth between the past and future, that's not the case for speedsters who run faster than time to run in "negative time" to arrive earlier than they left, meaning it's one-way time-travel for them. Milo Velo is pissed off that he's trapped in the past with no way to go back to the future. So he does the same things history said about the speedster villain Negaspeed, because it turns out he was Negaspeed and could not do anything to change the past because it's one timeline.
@@616Thanos a truly fascinating observation 🤓
"Oh the writing has to be inconsistent or it would be boring"
People making excuses for bad writing really annoys me.
Humans are infinitely creative, we find solutions to problems without needing to justify bad writing.
The reason shows give us garbage is because of the people who defend the garbage
"We find solutions to problems without needing to justify bad writing"
What humanity are you talking about?
So many things could be used!
Some things CW touched on but never completely utilized as well as the televised shows: magic the kills people moving over a set speed, time manipulation (slowing or stopping time), power dampening fields done correctly, power activation requirements, and maybe permanent physical taxation.
@@truthseeker7815 solutions to problems we create
to be fair, you do take off some consistency and/or logic to write a story.
but that's less about a character
and more about a story itself.
Like, especially when it comes to magical stuffs, very much specifically when it comes to magical stuffs
if you do not lay one ounce of rule to how the powers work
I can absolutely guarantee at least one viewer will think: but couldn't he just-
and then the thoughts run across the community
but then, if you take the most logical course of action to deal with a problem-
then there's no story.
Take avatar the last airbender for example, the show is great
it's amazing, the story is fantastically well written
and then you think
*couldn't Aang during the final fight just- quite literally create a void of no air (thus no oxygen) around Ozai when he was in his avatar state (where he was being ruthless kid craving for the death of the opponent instead of the pacifist monk he tends to be)*
creating a void isn't exactly hard I mean it's just push the air from a specific location, no more different than everything else done in the show
but right, while very easy solution, not really very appealing for a final fight of a series
"It's just a movie" is the most annoying answer I get when I try and discuss an inconsistency in writing. I mean, I don't get it, don't people understand what fictional storytelling is supposed to be on such a fundamental level?
Edit: Just to elaborate a bit further, to make myself clear; a fictional story needs some internal logic, in order for the audience to be immersed, because you need to be able to build suspense, relief and stuff like that. If the audience does not understand the rules of the world they can not build their expectations of what is expected to happen, what dangers lurk and so forth. On the other hand, if they not only not understand, but positively know that there is no self consistent internal logic, immersion is broken. They are suddenly not observing a story that lives on its own, but a storyteller trying to tell them a story they conceived.
I think YoYo Rodriguez was a great example of a speedster with limits from Agents of Shield. She can only use super speed in the time between her heartbeats, and once her heart beats again, she "snaps back" or retrogrades back to her starting point. The calmer she is ,the lower her heart rate, which gives her more time at superspeed, and the necessity of having to be flung back to her original spot creates some interesting and creative obstacles/advantages to how she uses her power in various situations.
she can also side-step the "time in a bottle" issue, by her still having a time limit even when time is functionally standing still. there's also probably a recharge issue, so she can't just spam it.
Yes
@@RiverRapids11235 She can spam it to a certain extent, but she will get fatigued and she has to plan what she wants to accomplish and how to go about to prevent a potential disaster when she snaps back. Plus the stress and exertion increases her heart rate which would limit her time more and more each instance if she were to try to use it back to back, so she learns other combat skills in order to avoid relying on it as her only option.
I like her, but I never saw her as a speedster until you brought it up. Good point.
Yea but doesn’t she start being able to run at super speed without the heartbeat limit later in the series
im willing to let that dash tac example slide because knowing dash he probably has been practicing that specific prank and knew how to run to the chair and back without needing to perceive time slowly rather just did it from memory of the room
That what I was thinking, wondering how he would run back to the chair without it making no noise. I would suspect he’d slow down time enough to place the tac and get back to his seat smoothly.but we know he ain’t do that since the camera caught the blur of him.
Except, since he's in the back of the room, if just one kid put their bag on the floor or had their legs splayed out in his path, then he's going to be crashing through the desk, potentially with a kid's leg entangled with his own. He can practice it all he wants, but he can't predict what final obstacles will be in his way. Yes, he could have looked beforehand, and that could have been a primer, but he also waited for the exact moment that the teacher was going to sit down.
There's also the fact that he ran through an extensive amount of jungle later in the film. He had no way of practicing that particular course, and it was significantly more dangerous and random, and it would have required his perception to match his speed.
@@johns6014 He only runs as fast in the jungle as the helicopter things can fly.
Adding to your point, this is effectively stated as a repeat thing based on the teacher's testimony so it makes sense that Dash has been practicing it.
@@JSFofWT And? He was still running pretty damn fast. He was running over uneven terrain at a speed where the slightest misstep wouldn't just include clipping a tree with an armored shell, but complete catastrophe for his own body.
Most people with an average perception wouldn't be able to outrun several flying vehicles that wanted to hurt them, over unfamiliar and risky terrain in a scary situation, all the while making life-or-death snap decisions repeatedly over quick succession. It would be like being on a high way going 70 mph and being expected pass a math test where you can only see the questions as you're passing them, and with less than an second to answer them. Relativity is a bitch for speedsters - that's why they're so commonly portrayed as having a heightened perception in the first place. Otherwise, you just end up mowing through people like the speedster in the Boys did with that girl in the first episode.
Dash not only had to see where he was going, he had to understand what he was doing, while maintaining his own wellbeing and his footing, and making several snap decisions back to back to back where any mistake could be fatal - all while being scared and in a stressful situation where his family were likely in just as much danger - and he only survived, he handled the whole thing like a champ. It's simply illogical to think that he doesn't have a higher perception than normal.
I will say, Omni Man is shown to have a fast perception and superspeed to some extent. You can see this in e8 of S1 of Invincible during the fight between Omni man and Invincible, more specifically when the part of the fight when they are in the subway. Omni man is clearly shown to perceive both marks punches as well as the world around him at a slower rate. otherwise, great video!
To add to that, Omni man didn't outspeed red rush. He noticed a pattern in his behaviour and then deliberately exploited it.
He predicted where he would attack from and grabbed there, while he was still baiting the attack.
And after red rush was caught, he didn't let go of him until it was over.
@@hulmhochberg8129 Actually Omni-Man does let go of Red Rush during the scene after he catches him and Red Rush doesn't run away he just stands there to wait for Omni-Man to catch him again.
@@pinkliongaming8769 that was like for 1 frame, so he can grab his head. also you can argue he pulled him to towards himself, throwing red rush off balance.
@@hulmhochberg8129 If Red Rush is perceiving time as slowly as implied, then predicting the punch still wouldn't make a difference as he would have lots of time from his point of view to see Omni Man moving his arm and react
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0:12 I literally was writing a comment pointing out that speedsters just STOP NEEDING EVERY ABILITY UNDER THE SUN! The issue is Speedsters have TOO MANY powers! More than just Super Speed!
Well that is what you get though you would unluck almost every single superpower ever by just mastering superspeed the problem is that this would make the speedster to OP in the story's that is why speedsters are nerfed 98% of the time so that they can add a story to it that would make the speedster seem weak at first but in reality if a speedster mastered it's superspeed would it easily be able to destroy characters like superman, Omniman, goku etc my point is a realistic speedster would be on the level of the gods when it comes to power scaling heck the speedster could possibly even defeat the gods if it wanted to also speedsters don't get their powers from the sun no that is part mf supermans powers source speedsters have the speedforce as power source they can use the energy of the speedforce and take it to their own advantage rather it's Blasting the villains away with lightning or speed up the already speed healing
@Django_Palstra bad writers need 2 tack on more powera
@@soundrogue4472, most of them are consequences of having super speed
@@truthseeker7815 Okay here are some abilities you can cut from speedsters without having too many abilities.
Again you can have them be given MULTIPLE abilities just not ALL of them!
Cut/ nerf these abilities;
1. Unlimited agility
2. Unlimited leg strength (no running speed doesn't = good carry)
3. Unlimited endurance
4. Unlimited regeneration
5. Time travel
6. Unlimited perception
7. Unlimited stamina
8. Unlimited focus
9. Unlimited reaction time
Some of these powers you could cut and make them WEAKNESSES!
"oh I used my brain too much during the slow-mo reaction?
My brain is overworked and starting to get foggy!"
"Oh I can run faster than the speed of light but OH NO, I'M TEARING UP MY BODY!"
etc, etc, etc.
Again the issue isn't having these but having an unregulated amount/ absurd amount.
1. I rarely see speedsters that have unlimited agility. You don’t even need agility to dodge a bullet if you move at the speed of light
2. Being a speedster requires leg strength. You wouldn’t be able to run if you had none.
3. Could be interesting probably what you were going for with leg strength. Also this does get addressed in some speedsters. Barry consumes 10k calories daily (should probably consume more but at least it was addressed). It’s mentioned once early that Cisco made an energy bar with a ridiculous amount of calories in it.
4.Regeneration is not always a part of speedsters. It depends on what their abilities affect. In Barry’s case and most of the speedsters in DC it comes from the speed force which speeds up everything about them. This includes their metabolism and healing.
5. This is just a DC speed force thing. Even with how fast Superman is he can’t time travel.
6. Speedster would naturally have really good perception or they wouldn’t be able to move at such high speeds. They have to perceive things faster or they might just run into a wall. Perception doesn’t mean being able to see all around them at all times. It just means to being able to perceive what is in their line of sight. So sneaking up on a speedster is in theory possible. But they could also counteract this by constantly spinning around. But then if you don’t speed up their healing you can use dizziness as to why they can’t constantly do that
7. Now that I’m writing this I realize endurance is pointless to talk about. We care more about stamina which once again I point to needing to consume a ton of calories.
8. I like lack of focus idea. Except that it’s what they usually go to (or something similar). Flash loses fights because he forgets he can do something or he’s just being stupid.
9. This goes back to perception. If you can move at the speed of light and due to that perceive things at the speed of light your reaction time is going to be insanely high.
I’d say 4, 5 and 8 are really easy to cut out. They don’t naturally come with speed.
3 and 7 can easily be addressed with by saying the speedster eats a ton of calories daily.
The real issue with speedsters is that get put up against people with abilities that have no way of actually defeating a speedster yet the speedster somehow loses a fight. Give us villains that are appropriate for fighting speedsters. Reverse flash and that guy with slow force abilities are examples of abilities that would be good ways to counters speedsters. I love snarts character but his abilities just are not a good match for Barry.
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I like the explanation that in that instance dash was at his ultimate top speed, something he can only sustain in short bursts. Like a sprint combined with a prethought action you can't do spontaneously.
The speedster from the anime Darker than Black was my favorite. He's able to accelerate to the point he becomes invisible, but only does it in short bursts and in a straight line in order to avoid crashing into things (likely because he becomes blind while traveling so fast). He moves really fast, but for the most part just looks like someone moving really fast as upposed to super speed. And he loses his fight because he begins to accelerate into light speed just as a bunch of water dropplets start coming from the sky, essentially becoming bullets at that speed. Constantly has to eat too. Which makes sense considering the insane amount of energy output he'd have to supply. Runs around with a bag of burgers lmao.
Russian Burger Flash!
Scrolled down and expected somebody to mention Goran (DTB2). He eats those burgers because it's his contract power price. Plus he complains that his muscles will hurt in the morning.
About Dash and the Tack: Humans can do moves quicker than their perception under two circumstances. 1.) They reflexively react. 2.) They Pre-plan a sequence of movements. Number 2 can first be achieved by focused visualization followed by immediate implementation. Secondly, 2 can be accomplished by repetitive practice of a single skill. But these methods all have the drawback of being a single movement or a short, fluid order of movements. They can be done repeatedly, but each instance itself is short lived.
Ash could have pulled off the tack prank with both flavors of strategy 2. I’d guess it was the visualization flavor though, because he was probably trying to explore his limits.
The second explanation is exactly what a character in the anime World trigger does. The character in question was able to move super fast(not quite remember how much) so much so that her brain and reflexes wouldn't be able to keep up. So when the character attacks she does a pre planed set of motions. In a fight an opponent is able to figure it out and predicts her path to counter her. Anyways, the anime is pretty good so I recommend it.
I can also totally see Dash practicing this in an empty classroom so he can pull it off in class
The trick to A good speedster (and good super hero's in general) is to have well defined rules that ALL writers are held to at all times. A list of both powers and limitations that are consistent and checked each time your character is to be used.
Also the secret to good sci-fi in general, since advanced technology is basically a "superpower" of a sort.
When the Enterprise was damaged, you knew Scotty would take a while to get warp drive back, so Kirk had to think of something. While when Voyager was damaged, they'd fuss about it until the last minute, then Seven would hit three keys and it would work again.
Ok, but everyone understands that, the problem is when you put it on practice
Kamen Rider Kabuto I would say is a good example of that, there are many speedster in that show but their speed are from technology so they need to activate it before they become fast and there is a time limit to using it, most of the villain are also monster that move at insane speed or similar speedster and when dealing with non speedster they never have a problem beside when their power are deactivated
I'm glad someone's talking about this.
Someone already did-----
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@@Voidika1313 Many people have.
Yep, perfect video that consolidates information into an easy to digest fashion.
You're going places dude
Thank you, that means a lot.
In the comics, I think Flash once explained that while yes, he can perceive things at super-speed, it would be like running all the way, so he just tunes out and sorta goes on automatic, and that is why he is sometimes caught in dumb ways
Yeah, this explanation could have been used in the show. It makes sense because at his perception it would feel like he is walking at normal speed everywhere which would take him "hours" in his timeframe. Having him tune out to make the trips less tedious for himself would make sense.
@antiloser-NFS except that these are literal life and death situations, so not paying attention because it's boring is the dumbest way to die.
@@christaylor9095 if he didn't suck so much maybe he could do it. But mr beat up every 2 seconds. Yeah. He shouldn't
Wouldn't make sense for him to do that in a dangerous situation
@@christaylor9095 Yes, which is why it would work. It could be a character flaw. They even set it up good but didn't follow through with it. For example in one of the crossover episodes Olivier teaches him a lesson about being observant.
When you are driving a car on a long drive are you paying attention 100% of the time or do you sometimes go on auto pilot? Its dangerous to not pay attention, but we all do it.
I think Dash's perception abilities work mainly because I think he has to lock in to use it but not necessarily use it everytime he runs. For instance when he's running on water, he realizes what's happening and laughs in normal time. But at the beginning of the movie, and in certain scenes, we see him maneuver in tight areas. He may not be Barry Allen fast perception, but he doesn't have to be. In the prank scene he's only moving 30ish feet at most at a couple hundred miles an hour at least. I think that warps the perception of him being Flash fast
I don’t even think he realizes he can prolly do that.he’ll prolly have to train his mind-and learn to do it. Like with syndrome guards , dash could’ve really dismantled them and they wouldn’t even notice.
yeah, someone did the math and in that scene he's not really that fast. but he accelerated very very quickly.
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And you
Your weakness is the color yellow
The only show that consistently showed the power and potential of superspeed was Smallville. It was the main power Clark used throughout the series and it's importance was always very clear. Was very impressed with that show in general.
One reason why CW’s flash doesn’t make since is in the JL cartoon series they mention that the only way for the Flash to maintain his speed is he needs to eat a lot, because he’s constantly burning energy and food helps him to keep up. This simple thing gets forgotten a lot about the Flash.
they address it in s1 ep 2 but then Cisco just makes him a bullshit protein bar which replenishes him but the problem is never addressed again.
The other end to that limitation is he'd have to crap repeatedly too. Sure he could run to the toilet but how fast is his colon? He could just do it anywhere but if another speedster happened along he'd have an awkward moment avoiding eye contact while pooping in a potted plant. On three plus side he'd win the fight because they wouldn't want him touching them having not washed his hands.
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Yeah the John Wesley Shipp Flash ate like 100 pizzas an episode.
Worm has a bunch of fun solutions to this. Velocity can move super speed but his mass decreases in proportion to his speed, so his punches get weaker the faster he goes. Battery has to charge up her speed and can only go fast in bursts. Chuckles has super-speed movement and perception but can’t ever turn it off, meaning the world always appears to be moving incredibly slowly to him, so he went completely insane. Legend’s brain shuts down more the faster he goes; he could go the speed of light but he would be insensate.
My favorite take on speedsters is Flicker from The Fall of Doc Future. As soon as chapter 1, it's obvious that Flicker is so powerful that the idea of her being in any kind of danger, or any risk of losing, is ludicrous. Her limitations come from the fact that she basically destroys everything she interacts with if she's not careful. And if she goes too fast, she basically starts nuking everything around her, so she has to manage her speed depending on where she is.
The fact it took Arrowverse Barry more than one day, more than an hour to capture a criminal was ridiculous.
Most of the time, yes. I can buy he had problems catching a dude made of magma coz he doesn't want to burn, or the normal dude who stays anonymous and plants bombs at random places.
I can suggest another way to write a speedster. Weight changing inversely with the speed of movement. The heavier the object, the more energy is needed to accelerate it. It would be logical if a speedster could reduce his mass to gain more speed. But the smaller its mass, the more difficult it is to influence the surrounding world. He could even accelerate to the speed of light, but in this state he is essentially a ghost who cannot even move a paper cup. In this way, the speedster can become untouchable for those around him, but those around him also become untouchable for him.
This is like being blind when you’re invisible.
There is a character from the webnovel Worm called Velocity, and his power is exactly this, the faster he moves the less he can influence the world
Omni man is a speedster since Mark is too it's shown in the one scene where amber and he are about to do the dirty and he switches of the lights at super speed wich means its a voltrumite ability
Somewhere in season 2
Apparently, bad taste in women is also a Viltrumite trait.
We even see his eyes tracking Red Rush in the scene where he kills him. Because he baits Red Rush into a pattern he's able to use his worse superspeed to catch him. If Red Rush had stayed on defense they all would have lived, but Omni man is just fast enough to catch him if he gets an advantage.
@@stevenscott2136 you can blame that one on the show writers. In the comics Amber is a completely different character
I’d love to see a speedster that has to completely obey inertia. No instant stop, and they have to turn wide if they’re running very fast. I feel like even with super perception this would solve the op issue. Imagine a speedster barreling towards something they don’t want to hit, but not having the strength or time to reduce their velocity, so they have to watch in slow motion as they fumble/crash
I like the idea. Someone like that wouldn't be able to run that fast, because running really fast recquires a crazy acceleration applied to your legs at every step. So they likely wouldn't really run faster than a regular human elite sprinter. After all, mental speed is already not the main limiting facter for a trained sprinter, except for 0.2 seconds on the starting line.
Still, super-speed perception alone would already be pretty OP. The closest I can think of are Spiderman and Jedis, but it's not fully explicit and consistent. That, and manga characters having a full existential crisis in-between two punches, but that's a different story.
Right, that would also mean they need to go slower to save people so grabbing someone at superspeed doesn't kill them
3:50 sometimes if the writers are actually trying, flash only perceives things as if it's frozen when he's focused. Other cannons try to say everything is always is slow motion which is insane.
One of the better speedsters I've seen is Brianna from Michael Grant's "Gone" book series. She can run at hundred of miles per hour but when she does she basically uses all the nutrition she has, and also her shoes get destroyed constantly. But both of these issues are seemingly forgotten in the later books, she runs around with no issue, even when she is literally starving. At the very least when she finally loses it's to another speedster.
I swear, bro has some serious beef with CW Flash
I mean, I really liked the first season, even 2 and 3 was good, but it really had these moments where Barry could just solve everything in a second and the episode would be over.
The show sucks
Yeah, he's firing some shots but Flash can't seem to dodge them.
CW Flash would be a great name for a rapper, though.
@@stevenscott2136 Twista would be outclassed
4:43 It is perception wise it is & we actually know viltrumites are speedsters and can run & do actions fast without flying look at both Mark and Omniman in s1/2 They throw a ball across the entire globe and very easily catch it as it’s going a fraction of the speed of light
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Thank you, and ya it's absolutely insane and I'm super grateful for everything.
An anime called World Trigger had a great use of super speed. The person using it had to effectively preprogram in their own movements. So the speed could only be used in short bursts, and if you anticipated how they were going to move, they couldn't react to change their pattern. It perfectly solves the issue that CW Flash and Red Rush had where people could react to where they were going to be, despite both of those characters ostensibly being able to react faster than anyone should be able to.
I'm also a fan of Super Speed needing to be something that is activated, as opposed to it just constantly being active. That way speedsters wouldn't be living in an agonizingly slow hell all of the time, as well as having it make sense for them to get surprised once in a while.
Makkari from "the eternals" IMO is the best depiction of a speedster!
There is away to make speedsters less powerful without diminishing their awesomeness. Require limits to ramping the speed of their reaction time and perception. This allows them to be defeated by non speedsters, but if they can overcome the limitation, they can still pull off the same overpowered feats. This requires them to plan initial moves without the benefit of reactions and course corrections. This is especially true for heroes, since they cannot cause collateral damage or casualties.
If writers want to create untouchable speedsters like The Flash or Quicksilver, they also need to come up with clever ways to neutralize them that make sense. It’s not enough to have them lose through random plot armor or implausible scenarios. Think about strategies that counteract speed and reaction time like taking them out while they’re asleep, sneaking up from behind, blinding them, or using traps they can’t outrun. Even drugging them could work, though their superfast metabolisms might complicate that. The point is to challenge their godlike powers in ways that feel logical and satisfying, rather than breaking the rules of their powers.
The justice league actually used a drug + trap combination on Zoom once, it was pretty cool!
(The trap was Plastic Man disguised as a room)
Clear line or hard to see line across a path you either know they go down or bait them to go down pair that with something that makes it so they cannot move like oil or other slick material. There have been plenty of people who ride on trails and then come across a line along the path.
Well said. Either don't make speedster OP or then, give him an OP enemies like Flash has Reverse Flash or Godspeed.
They could make someone who siphoned the speed force so it slows Flash down. He'd be called the Suck.
Doesn't have to be a speedster either.
@@TorquemadaTwist Technically Captain Cold can do something similar as he has a tech that produces an absolute zero aura around him which robs objects of their momentum.
@gangofheroes I was thinking more along the lines of Flash being stripped of plot armor. All the physics he gets to side step through the speed force would be front and center. Super speed would need a lot of distance to stop. He'd have to limit himself in close quarters or risk killing people and destroying things. It would be excruciating for him to see things at super speed but have to move slowly and carefully. The Suck would suck.
The 4th way to write a speedster is to make them lose because their are being predictable, arrogant, and dumb. The Flash TV series actually did this well when Oliver defeated Barry for the first time by knowing where Barry was going to stop.
I absolutely disagree with the cryptonite one. See what happens to superman. All because of cryptonite all of a sudden any character can beat him.
Counter arguement to the thumbtack thing. Maybe Dash had found a moment when the class was empty to rehearse the move at slower speeds, and gradually work it up to super speed. He could get probably a hundred or so practice runs in 5-10 minutes at least, and by working your way up, you don't need to be able to percieve at that speed, you just need the perfect moment when there's nothing blocking your practiced route. That probably isn't the explanation in the Incredibles, but I've always wanted to see a speedster rehearse certain complex actions so that they can do them at speeds that they wouldn't be able to percieve normally. A great way for the writer to let them do something insane that doesn't break the character, or a great way for something to go wrong, since they're moving too fast to react and are relying on muscle memory.
3:19 i havent seen the boys, but clearly bro missed that on purpose 😂
he literally just stopped in front of The Deep and threw a normal supe punch. We see right after that he just blitzes him with punches in super speed.
What makes sonic funny is that in the games/canon he has instant acceleration which is why a majority of the ways he loses are to fast people or just really strong characters that he cant hurt
The thing about Red Rush is that he was victim to Newton's third law and could change his direction fast enough despite knowing Omniman was reaching for him incredibly fast.
You actually see this during all of his scenes, before he makes a large change of direction he comes to a stop for a moment.
To be fair, Red Rush did not seem like a combatant to me. He never had to deal with anyone who can touch him let alone grapple him. So he knew how to throw a punch but not much else.
Omni Man vs Red Rush: no room to accelerate, tear gas, wet floor, and his punches slowed him down.
5:22 ha get it? Running! Out of ideas! 😂
I genuinely love these kind of videos, because I'm on the 6 season in DC Barry and it makes me mad how he mf loses, so i genuinely love these, so thanks for the new vid I was waiting thats not a joke( edit is after i watched the vid) i actually love this vid since you do go over hoa they should have draw backs,and how they should be defeated in a good way, and i like the dash topic it was good, but the A-train one really caught my attention
Thank you I appreciate the support
Another thing about a train is that i think around the time he was practicing for a raxe between another speedster in the show they mention him needing to eat like 20,000 calories a day or something to sustain himself for all the calories he burns which explains why he got fat in the show once his heart problems stopped him from running and burning those calories
I hope both DC and Marvel studios both see this
I think a really good adaptation of Flash is in the Justice League Unlimited episode "Flash and substance." Where he's challenged by his villains because they either catch him completely off guard or outsmart him.
As an ongoing writer of whom many characters are absurdly fast, the main two ways I present ''realistic'' (perhaps believable is a better term) scenarios through which a very fast character can still be threatened, are through two means:
1. Restriction of their own power. I.E: Their power isn't always active, but more akin to force speed from Star Wars, something that has to be actively used. Think of it like the difference between a walk or light jog, or a full sprint. You're not usually going to do the latter, because you'll drain yourself rapidly. This applies foremost to my protagonist, who unlike some of his antagonists does tire out. He has a gas tank, a limited amount of energy to spend, and has to apply it intelligently. This prevents the question of ''Why doesn't he just use superspeed to do this or that''. There is a limit.
2. Even playing fields. The characters traveling and fighting at insane speeds don't have peers besides others that also have access to similar speeds, and I make damn sure that disparity is never broken. It has a 100% consistency throughout the story. No ''speedster'' (they're not, they're just powerhouses in general who have superspeed) in my story is ever going to be threatened by anyone even close to a human level for instance. And this actually forces me to write more creatively, expand the arsenal of potential threats. It's part of why I like it.
And for a little bonus, none of my characters as I mentioned are actual speedsters. They're just incredibly powerful in general, more akin to Superman than The Flash. And the main reason why is durability. The idea of someone being absurdly fast but having basically no other powers never sat right with me, because going far past sound speed already means a human would splatter themselves. This means you'd have to invent some means through which that doesn't happen, and often times that isn't explained with speedsters, leading to insane moments of inconsistency like Fox's Quicksilver being able to run through water drops at mach 8,000, but hurting himself tripping into some grass and wood at barely surpassing human running speeds. That doesn't happen to my characters. Their speed might not be constant, but the rest of them is. A normal knife would just snap even if you'd try to push it into their eyeball while they're asleep, because how else could they survive a run at lightspeed with their eyes open, with ''soft'' particles entering it the whole time, particles that would have continental level catastrophic damage effects if they were to collide you with at lightspeed much less more?
Superspeed is an incredible ability, especially when you're at such speeds that it's comparable to meddling with time, but it *has* to be written well. 99% Of writers just don't seem to understand that superspeed isn't just an ability. It's essentially the affecting of a dimension. It's not just a buff to your overall ability. It changes the dynamics of a character and how they can move and fight. It unlocks a lot of new pathways by which a character can tackle a problem, but with those new pathways also comes the responsibility of either using them, or explaining to your audience how and why one of them or even all of them cannot be used.
Self imposed limitations are the key to good writing in my opinion.
Any chance I get to read this somewhere? Do you post on Royal Road or Webnovel or Novelupdates or anything?
Did you consider that a speedster needs a downward force keeping him on the ground?
The shove from your leg that pushes you forward ALSO pushes you UP, we're just too weak to notice that in Earth gravity.
This is why fast animals change their stride as they accelerate -- because the walking stride and the running stride work differently in terms of forces and angles.
But there is no stride that will keep a 200-pound man on the ground when his leg exerts a 10,000-pound force at a 45-degree angle.
The BEST example of the third point is that fast guy in the anime Charlotte. Go check it out. He's one of the main characters.
I'm loving these speedster videos. They are such interesting and unique characters, and are almost always relegated to the side-character spot. Favorite speedster scene is the one from Xmen where Quicksilver puts on the headphones and runs around the room. I love the idea that the headphones play are clearly playing the entire song in a split second. (Is it even possible to do that?) Fun anyways.
Yes it is possible to do that. anyone else would hear an ear splitting sound for a split second.
man i have waiting for this video the only speedster content to watch was ofc you and those cw shorts so thank you for this imma finsh watching the vid now :)
2:36 I feel like Ben 10 us a good example of this he has overpowerd aliens but after a while the omni tric will ware off
A personal favorite speedster is from Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn series. Steelpushers are able to store their speed in something called a metalmind, which has to be made out of steel. They can store an amount proportional to the amount of steel they have on their body, and they can only draw their speed out when it's still touching them. Steelpushers can only draw from their own metalminds. And the best part, when the steelpusher stores speed, they're that much slower. But you can also draw it out as fast as you want.
They do not have faster perception, and they do have to worry about friction, which is another thing that's not often addressed with speedsters..
So if you were a steelpusher and decided to be half speed for an hour, you can be double speed for an hour later. Or half an hour and quadruple speed. Or 15 minutes at 8x speed, and so on.
0:27 Why did bro flash me😭. see what I did there?........
They may not have super speed, but wind moves pretty fast. So it is lightning and ice can make him sleep but I suppose he’s faster than a trigger pull.
I think the best hard cap for a speedster is objects. At the speeds shown in most comic book speedsters even a piece of paper would tear you to shreads. Rain would be a hard counter. This would make their time perception valuable while also forcing them to navigate the world more carefully. Doesnt matter how fast you COULD run if the area is full of things you need to avoid. Running through a plume of dust would cause injury, running into someone would put you in the hospital.
0:54 How's that a problem? The dude had his powers for two episodes, he's not supposed to know he can punch through a fullmetal dude and not squash his arm into tomato juice. Rightfully so tbh, if all the speedforce extra abilities weren't conveniently there.
Would be fine if it was just the beginning but its in almost every episode of s1.
@malikpierre-louis3343 Undoubtedly. I'm just pointing out that particular example is not good.
@@Soundwave1900 Fair enought.
Very true, later on I realized some speedsters wouldn't even touch one to give a punch, but the same way Flash and others would give punches at full speed which would absolutely oblitarate their arms if they didn't have steel bones. I like the show but it shows everything a speedster can do at one moment or other and then it completely forgets about it in a few episodes and comes back later
Honestly, you could do a whole series on how every single superpower is depicted incorrectly.
I think there's still more to study on specifically Flash's case. There's decades of buildup around him, and these suggestions basically require rolling back what his identity is. So much lore establishing he's supposed to be the fastest thing possible, some odd interaction with friction so that nothing goes wrong, and exploring his top speed as competing with the speed of light and often capable of time travel. With those constraints already in place, THEN try writing a good Flash. The problem is that just baseline he's overpowered yet supposed to be a day-to-day hero facing conflicts. Newer speedsters seem to be generally better written.
Yeah 1 way to make your speedsters speed consistant is dont make them too fast from the beginning oof lol XD
Or have levels to it. kinda like in the hellsing anime where alucard has a majority of his strength and abilities locked away. Perhaps it does something to his body and if they use to much of the higher levels it risks death like rock Lee in Naruto and the gates,
2:33 perfect 👏👏👏 Got used to it in the comics and tv show but its aways a great surprise when I see it being used somewhere else 😂
Dash runs on water 💀 I think you’re SEVERLY underestimating how fast a human foot of such a small size needs to be traveling before that becomes feasible.
bro have you ever heard of a basilisk lizard, western grebe, water strider, pgymy gecko, etc im pretty sure you can run on water under 100mph
This is just another really well made video which says everything here but that part you say about a train
3:19 i think he somehow appreciate The Deep so he wasn't try to kill him
I like the flash show but this was a good video. You made some great points, I think all speedsters are fascinating
I just wanna say thank you for making this video 5 minutes long.
I hate when people drag out a simple opinion into a lecture. Way to just get to the point! Cheers. You got my follow.
Yeah I'm not big on making videos long if they don't need to be. And thank you.
Meanwhile sonic objectively being the most consistent inconsistent speedster ever
If you're looking for suggestions, try the TV adaptation of Preacher. There are several inconsistencies in power level. The first time we see Cassidy, he's able to pick up an entire cow, but regularly gets beat up or restrained by humans. Then the first time we see Jody, he picks up the rear end of a truck to drop it on a guy's head, but suffers the same kind of decay, being beat up by Jesse in a fist fight.
I once had a concept for a speedster, essentially his reaction time is reactive to two factors, his speed and the danger he is in. The faster he moves, the faster he can react to things up until it reaches a certain point where he sees things in slo mo. He can never really be caught off guard by a gun since his reaction speed increases when he is in danger. Of course then comes his speed, he can move faster than a human. But within his biological limits. If he attempts to move faster than his body can handle it. It will rip it apart or cause it to burn in certain areas due to friction. His limiting factor was his durability.
A speedster done right that never gets talked about is Yo Yo from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Her power manifest in short bursts of speed, but only for the duration of one heartbeat and she must return to her original location before the heartbeat ends. that limitations caps her range and her ability to spam Speed to solve all problems. And it lead to her losing her arms later in the story. But once she used speed, she got to have all the Flash-like quicktime cinematic events but be less overpowered or problematic for the plot
The real problem with speedsters is that it seems like a lot of people don't actually want the speedster to have super speed in the first place, but at the same time thinking super speed is the coolest power ever. Super Speed is SUPER SPEED. Being so fast that you can perceive time and move within attoseconds... is just what "super speed" inherently means. Speed is supposed to be cool and fun, so just let the speedster be cool and fun. Write the character to be FAST and commit to it. Give 'em stakes and obstacles that match up to that level of speed. Don't put a speed-focused character against a challenge that would be automatically overcome by that speed, unless him dominating it with his speed is the intention for "coolness".
Never thought that "Run Barry run" line would age like beaver milk😭💀
Oh oh TurboGranny from DanDaDan is a perfect example he has a super speed more spesificly 100km/h but he can go from zero to 100 within 1-3 seconds, i hope that someone who knows DanDaDan notice me
There's a character in the my here academia spin-off, vigilantes, who is also a speedster. In the brief moment his powers are active he becomes untouchable. His weakness, though, is that he can't breathe when speeding, so his powers are limited by the build up of carbon in his lungs. We end up seeing an imposter arrive with a more advanced version of his power, stolen from the original hero, who is beaten by the original hero playing a recording so fast that only the imposter can here. Despite being stronger, the imposter is chased off because that brief distraction holds his attention long enough to reach the limit of his oxygen, and thus slow down. It was a fun read.
I'd write speedsters as if their powers where focused based. The more focused they are in getting from point A to point B, the faster they are and the slower they can perceive things.
This does a few things:
1. Makes them vulnerable to sneak attacks,
2. Gives them time to have a normal perception of time when doing normal things. No more, "every hour feels like a decade" bullshit.
3. At their most focused/fastest, they are also vulnerable to (hyperspeed) sneak attacks. As they would be hyper-focused on one thing and filtering everything else.
4. Makes meditating a viable way to train their powers. Being poetic, "in order to move the fastest, you must learn to stay still."
Watched a Sonic video where the guy pointed out that Sonic dosnt travel at his top speed because the resulting wind would create a Sonic boom that would trash the neighborhood. Maybe bring that up in shows like the Flash where the priority is protecting the town or in the villains case targeting Barry.
what was the sonic video can you send me a link to it
@wallsingtails22nd just went looking for it but can't find it comments suggest Loggstin & Gnoggin took it down.
@@avrilfan0521 welp it did sound cool i understand thank you for trying tho
It’s a good thing Tighten never fully tapped into those Megaman powers.
I think Red Rush getting caught is due to Omni man's predictive ability, he's thousands of years old, military minded all the way, and probably has fought speedsters before. Like imagine if quicksilver in the marvel movies attacked the Hulk, all Hulk would have to do is be a little predictive and he could get ahold of him, then it's over. Non of either of their punches actually would hurt who their attacking
I’m so hype to see A-Train in season 5 with Blue Hawks heart
I do have one small criticism on the path to get to a point I ultimately agrre with. The difference between Metro Man and The Flash is that CW Flash is focused on The Flash as a main character, while Megamind is focused on Megamind. Megwmind works because Metro Man's actions are a twist that the audience isn't clued in on. He is meant to be an unstoppable obstacle that removes himself from the story. If The Flash did something similar out of boredom, it might work for a bit, but it couldn't sustain a story.
Something to note is Metroman's "after effect" when he moves fast. He isn't just leaving a frame of him, he is leaving a color of the light. He is moving faster than the light spectrum.
That, or he just has a nice unique after effect.
meanwhile one punch man characters constantly having their feats matter and not losing randomly by idiotic writing
always becoming faster and act like thet get faster
A really good speedster to writing for me is in Kamen Rider Kabuto
Kamen Rider being basically the uncle of Power Ranger as a series as it been running since 1971
But back to main point what make speedster in Kabuto good in specific for me is the fact they need to touch an actual switch to activate their speed and there is a time limit to it so they cannot just be fast all the time, but when they are fast nothing can beat them beside other speedster
What more interesting though is their speed is from acceleration of their personal time rather than actual speed boost so them perceiving the world slowly make sense
Another great speedster that uses multiple limitations and drawbacks you mentioned is Okarun feom Dandadan.
He can only go 100km/h, has a hear limit on how many times he can go all out, can't turn sharp corners (espexially when he's carring something, and as far as we know doesn't have slowmotion perception.
You mentioned the anime characters briefly, but one that came to mind for me specifically was Shinra from Fire Force, he's fast because he shoots fire out of his feet and can propel himself, but in a few instances throughout the series he gets "Blessed" by an outside source and essentially gains high tier speedster powers for a short time, so he's only OP when the plot deems him so, but it's never something he can just do on his own
There's cool 'Speedsters' in the Mistborn series.
They are incredibly limited, but nonetheless very well written.
They need to 'Store speed' for hours and hours, which means that they need to spend a lot of days, weeks or even months where they just move really slow. The slower they move and the more time they do it, the more speed they accumulate. After that, they can release it in extremely big bursts to become almost invincible or slowly to cover large distances or to make it last in long fights. One of them even stopped an explosion once.
There's like a hundred extra completely layers to it, but my point is that if you want good speedsters Mistborn is the place to go.
I think a good way to counter speedsters is with traps or illusions. Something they can't grasp without guessing with a little of risk.
Another way I find funny is when a speedsters carry a villain, theoretically now the speedster is at normal speed relatively to the villain so they can fight fairer. Could be nice to see this in a very tanky unit that the speedster is having trouble to fight.
😮 the editor of this is dope 👌 asf definitely about to subscribe 🙌 👏
That clip of them laughing at 1:01 😆😆
World trigger does an interesting thing with one of their characters where she has to actively route out the path that she'll take when attacking an enemy. She ends up losing because her target catches on and sort of puts blades in her direct path.
I just watched Megamind tonight. lol. Loved that style of speedster character
got rec'ed you speed video fo that chicken from eternals. Youre getting up there bucko, keep up the great work.
Other speedsters dodge bullets, dash just gets to sprinting the other way 😂
Nice point of view 😊
Jinx’e shimmer boost in Arcane was a good example too. It gave her a super fast reaction time and speed but only in small bursts and but didn't give her to run super speeds. Which made it seem more like anaerobic burst, like the other side of the coin to what dash has.
Flash plot:
"I can't run that fast"
*Runs that fast*
It needs to be like a battery. They have "default" super speed, but they can energize themselves to get "hyperspeed" that makes perception very slow. That would explain how speedsters lose SOMETIMES, but can show great feats in other times.
One that I remember is Sloth The Indolent from FMAB. Extremely fast and bulky, to the point that he creates a vacuum whenever he moves fast, but is way too fast from him to react or control his movements. An ironic play from him to be extremely fast when all he wants is to sleep (constantly complaining about it "Such a pain! Coming back is a pain... But then, fighting all out is the biggest pain of all"). In Christianity, sloth is a deadly sin that represents apathy and inactivity in the practice of virtue, so Sloth not even trying to control his monstrous speed, which he was made with, plays into the ironic theme of the anime.
The Gone series by Michael Grant has a speedster that is defeated by the dark. If she can't see where she's running, she will almost guaranteed trip on an obstacle and break her leg at super speed. She can also only perceive things "faster" if they are relative to her velocity. For example, she can see bullets going by, but only if she's already running at 300 mph. If you shot her from behind unprepared, she'd be as dead as the next person.
One such anime speedster is iida/Enginium from My Hero Academia. Anime in general tends to play fast and loose with movement speed roughly correlating to perception speed, but his speed abilities are specifically modeled after a combustion engine. He can power it up in different amounts, but it all takes stamina and his strongest exertions of it can overheat/blowout the engine.