I will be purchasing everything for my ST through edge for the simple fact that they still support the ST, make videos and clearly put serious time and care into this vehicle... and still into 2022?! Thank you guys.
Thanks for the video. I was contemplating doing this mods a while back. Not a lot of info on it. So its great to see this. But decided to just go BNR Turbo instead. Soon to be tuned by you! 😁
@@NEWNATURE777 on an electronic wastegate there is no upgrade because the tuner can just commanded 100 percent WGDC So as a result if you’re running a good tune on a car with an electronic waste gate this video does not apply to you in anyway
PSA: I did this against my better judgment with the MonsterTuned Adapt-X tune on my 2018 (NOT recommended by MonsterTuned), and a week later at an autocross my motor LSPI'd and killed Cylinder 4. Word to the wise. TUNE for this mod. Car did run great with this done, really felt a difference in the mid-top end. Was fun while it lasted...
This is great advice! We always recommend tuning for any power mods ESPECIALLY when dealing with adding boost. Getting your car Tuned will make sure your new power is running safe!
@@EdgeAutosport i really appreciate that! Definitely will take you up on that in the future been a honda guy my whole life so these are alittle new to me 😂😂
Id be curious if the adjustment to the preload on the actuator on the ST is also applicable to the RS? I would think so but want sone input before i do so
The last part is the most important part, if you will pre-load your wastegate, you have to make sure you're using high octane fuel or ethanol otherwise you'll be getting boost spikes and your engine WILL KNOCK and you may even break a piston.
It will overboost. Not critically, but the car will try and bring it back down again and not be happy about it. This is why it is best to account for the change via tuning. And for the record, If you are already tuned by Alan, this is just a revision to your map, not a full price tune.
We also did testing on the fiesta st while the gains aren’t as good as the focus or RS We got 10whp and pushed out the powerband by 1000rpm worth every single penny
@@EdgeAutosport i did testing purely because the word on the street was an upgrade for the fiesta is absolutely worthless because the K39 is maxed with a basic tune and the WGDC at 100. The problem is as you know these stock wastegates are woefully under tightened to prevent any overboost situations like the Subarus tend to have. So I’m testing we found it to be a very worthwhile mod, the problem is most people are cheap and don’t wanna spend 4-500 bucks for a wastegate & install The real winner is the 2.3 that engine makes huge gains with a spring upgrade
I would say it depends what you are trying to do. If you are replacing the BOV then the wheel well is probably your best bet. If you are doing the actuator. Top down, and pulling the intake and heatshield will give you a clear view of the actuator. You can also pull the overflow tank for the coolant and that motor mount that sits under it. It will allow the motor to pull forward a little giving you a little more wiggle room. Just don't forget to bolt the motor mount back down when you are putting things back together.
I have a Garrett powermax turbo how do I pre load it cuz it’s different structure at the end compared to the one you have installed on the one you’re doing in this video?
It sucks that we are so far apart otherwise I you would be my shop. period!!! I have a question or 2. One being if i decide just to adjust the preload on the stock valve will it trigger any codes ? And is there any things i should be concern or careful with if i go the "4 full turns" on the stock one. I know you mention that it will not be a massive gain and that it will help the torque curve and "maybe" some HP but wondering if it is something noticable that will say yes its worth doing until i start my projects in the future. I have a rear motor.ount and i do like it a lot ... I am just looking for stuf like this for now. You guys are awesome and thank for the high quality content
Hi Alan i just installed mine today and uploaded my new tune. i tried preloading it to 4mm, What are some things i should look out for or keep track of?
I’m getting my car E tune next week….. can I Install the wastegate on my ST and go with the OST stage 0 from COBB or I should wait for the base map from Alan then install it?
So can I clarify? Obviously it was stated after the wastegate upgrade it needs a tune. However do i need to tune the factory wastewater adjustment to max out preload? I assume so but it also makes sense that we shouldn't have to aswell.
Hello Sir, I have one question. I test my wastgate but when i put pressure in the line from turbo to wastgete valve open but i saw also there was air escape from the rod that goes in the wastgate. Is that normal or this wastgate is broken ?
Hey edge what's the news with the new us regulations regarding emissions. I am headed to Texas from Colorado for the actual only reason I can tune my cars how I want to. I heard cobb no longer supports the accessport engine code overrides. Is it even worth tuning with accessport to track stuff?
The AP remains a very versatile tuning platform. If you are going full track car, it's less of an option now... but a weekend warrior track car, emissions equipment wont really slow you down. Through our testing, we can confirm catless exhausts do not perform significantly better than catted.
@@EdgeAutosport awesome!!! My goal is the ultimate Focus ST not particularly track focused. I meant track engine Temps and data. That answers my question perfectly. You guys are so awesome and I have built my ST around yalls videos as a guide
So if i have done the stock WG preload, tuned for the preload with E30/93 mix, running 12psi at redline now.....if i did the turbosmart WG and ran 14-15 psi at redline to stay "safer", what would you estimate 2 psi is worth in HP on top? And would i need retuned for the turbosmart?
Honestly, it is probably only about 10whp. Maybe 15 with the ethanol blend. Gains on 93oct are not as high due to added heat and having to run a little less spark advance. But with ethanol, you'll see a little more gains since the ethanol helps keep the cylinders cooler.
Either is fine, but I prefer the 7psi at this point. As I've seen more and more issues with people trying to push the stock turbo to hard up top, you don't necessarily need the 12psi spring.
So, a couple folks noticed on the Fiesta st in particular that changing the WGA (amd tune of course) got a little more top end. Most people are saying no but some studies are saying yes...any thoughts?
It is probably about as helpful for the fiesta as it is for the ST. It isn't earth shattering gains, but it will show improvements in parts of the curve.
@@fastfast5824 We should have some pretty cool stuff regarding that coming up in the not too distant future. Just working on some developmental things at the moment.
Got a question, I recently purchased the turbosmart wastegate for my car as my wastegate is shot and causing overboost, I was gonna install it and set the preload to stock pressures so I can run the car without overboost until I can replace the turbo. My question is do I absolutely need a tune to install the TS waste gate? If so do I need a access port to do said tune? like I said I want to run factory boost pressures until I can upgrade my turbo which I do plan on getting a tune access port for, just wanted to know if I can fix the over boost problem until I can afford everything.
This should help keep boost up through the powerband as we described. As for safety, you would want to consult your tuner to adjust for this, and make sure its calibrated for more boost after peak.
Hey guys are you still looking at changing the cat out Also one cheap mod for those who are saving for the intake upgrade Remove the airbox cover and strap the filter down with a length of serpentine belt and 2 of the existing screws So much more suction noise
while that is tragic, It couldn't have been the wastegate adjustment alone... or it was hooked up to stay closed all the time and over boosted like crazy
@@PepperRed probably wasn't wastegate but I did a pull and buddy behind me said he saw smoke. pulled motor and took apart to find that I shattered a piston
@alan i know you guys love E, but for us guys that need or want to use meth, you guys should install a snow stg 2.5 meth kit, even if its just temporary and for data… not really any videos on YT with the focus st and data from it… focus st stock turbo FBO stock fuel and then with meth, and maybe a 2867 stock fuel and on meth would be great to see…. Thought id suggest it since you guys ask for suggestions sometimes… theres alot of people wanting this data i think
@@TMTMS3 i have the kit and you will be tuning it on a bnr67 this year but it would be cool seeing the data from 50/50 blends 75/25 and 100% meth… just alot of good data to be had…love watching you guys here, and seeing your input on the alliance, keep it up and hoping we see some tuning content with meth 🤞🏼🤘🏼
I will be purchasing everything for my ST through edge for the simple fact that they still support the ST, make videos and clearly put serious time and care into this vehicle... and still into 2022?! Thank you guys.
Awesome, thank you! We've got a lot more coming too!
Facts. ST hot rod god lol
Its so nice to see Edgeautosport still making videos about Focus ST and sharing some tips and tricks. Great video guys!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks!
Just bought my first st (stock 2013) and can’t wait to do this. Thanks for this info. I’m going to binge watch everything. 🤘🏽🤘🏽
Welcome to the ST club! Tag us in your posts so we can follow along with your build
@@EdgeAutosport thank you! & I will. Do you guys have Instagram?
Thanks for the video. I was contemplating doing this mods a while back. Not a lot of info on it. So its great to see this. But decided to just go BNR Turbo instead. Soon to be tuned by you! 😁
Awesome, well thats definitely a better way to do it. Looking forward to the tune!
I did this early on when tuning my car and made a definite improvement. Dyno proven 307hp/395ftlbs on e30
Did you use the turbosmart WG or no?
307hp on stock turbo? Mmmmm
Can this be done to an electronic controlled wastegate actuator? Thank you in advance 👍
@@NEWNATURE777 on an electronic wastegate there is no upgrade because the tuner can just commanded 100 percent WGDC
So as a result if you’re running a good tune on a car with an electronic waste gate this video does not apply to you in anyway
@@matthewsalmon5732 it’s possible with corn but boy you’re going to see some bad intake temps the k03 gets spicy at that power level
PSA: I did this against my better judgment with the MonsterTuned Adapt-X tune on my 2018 (NOT recommended by MonsterTuned), and a week later at an autocross my motor LSPI'd and killed Cylinder 4. Word to the wise. TUNE for this mod. Car did run great with this done, really felt a difference in the mid-top end. Was fun while it lasted...
This is great advice! We always recommend tuning for any power mods ESPECIALLY when dealing with adding boost. Getting your car Tuned will make sure your new power is running safe!
Exciting!! I just picked up a 2018 ST hot pepper red super low miles excited to see theres some guys who have done there research on these!! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Congrats on the new car! If you ever need guidance, feel free to call the shop!
@@EdgeAutosport i really appreciate that! Definitely will take you up on that in the future been a honda guy my whole life so these are alittle new to me 😂😂
Got my access port I’ll be getting that tune soon and I’ll be doing this as well
Awesome!
Id be curious if the adjustment to the preload on the actuator on the ST is also applicable to the RS? I would think so but want sone input before i do so
would i need to tune my car for 2mm preload? could i run stock with just a minor adjustment?
It would be best to get the tune adjusted for any tweaks to the wastegate.
I hope you make a video that shows the best intercooler for focus st
The last part is the most important part, if you will pre-load your wastegate, you have to make sure you're using high octane fuel or ethanol otherwise you'll be getting boost spikes and your engine WILL KNOCK and you may even break a piston.
Setting the preload worked great! Thank you!
Great to hear!
Will this make even make if any more power or boost on a tuned focus rs on e30..
Does it need remaping?? Is a most? How about just 3 turns to be safer? For those that dont have access to tunning maybe 2 turns?
Can I apply this concept to my ford fusion? It’s a 1.5 ecoboost 2014
If you up the boost that way and it's a bit on the high side. Can you add a blow off valve to prevent surge?
The bov already exists in the system, you need to get tuned to keep the car safe at higher boost.
Pumping out project half send content love it.
We try! Glad you are loving it
great video, if you adjust the original 4 turns wastegate without tune what happens?
It will overboost. Not critically, but the car will try and bring it back down again and not be happy about it. This is why it is best to account for the change via tuning. And for the record, If you are already tuned by Alan, this is just a revision to your map, not a full price tune.
What wheels and tire size are you running? I'm looking for a 3 season tire to run and that stance looks amazing.
What do I do if I rev my
Focus st and I believe the waste gate rattles
We also did testing on the fiesta st while the gains aren’t as good as the focus or RS
We got 10whp and pushed out the powerband by 1000rpm worth every single penny
Nice, good to know it works just as well on the Fiesta, thanks for sharing!
@@EdgeAutosport i did testing purely because the word on the street was an upgrade for the fiesta is absolutely worthless because the K39 is maxed with a basic tune and the WGDC at 100. The problem is as you know these stock wastegates are woefully under tightened to prevent any overboost situations like the Subarus tend to have. So I’m testing we found it to be a very worthwhile mod, the problem is most people are cheap and don’t wanna spend 4-500 bucks for a wastegate & install
The real winner is the 2.3 that engine makes huge gains with a spring upgrade
How’s the easiest way to get to the turbo while it’s in the car? I heard with these cars it’s by removing the wheel?
I would say it depends what you are trying to do. If you are replacing the BOV then the wheel well is probably your best bet. If you are doing the actuator. Top down, and pulling the intake and heatshield will give you a clear view of the actuator. You can also pull the overflow tank for the coolant and that motor mount that sits under it. It will allow the motor to pull forward a little giving you a little more wiggle room. Just don't forget to bolt the motor mount back down when you are putting things back together.
do you suggest doing other supporting mods before doing any of this
You're gonna want a tune for this, so might as well bolt up the usual mods like exhaust and intake prior, to make the best from your tune
I have a Garrett powermax turbo how do I pre load it cuz it’s different structure at the end compared to the one you have installed on the one you’re doing in this video?
It sucks that we are so far apart otherwise I you would be my shop. period!!! I have a question or 2. One being if i decide just to adjust the preload on the stock valve will it trigger any codes ? And is there any things i should be concern or careful with if i go the "4 full turns" on the stock one.
I know you mention that it will not be a massive gain and that it will help the torque curve and "maybe" some HP but wondering if it is something noticable that will say yes its worth doing until i start my projects in the future. I have a rear motor.ount and i do like it a lot ... I am just looking for stuf like this for now. You guys are awesome and thank for the high quality content
So no tune needed if I just don't the 4 turns on the stock wastegate?
It is advised you do this _ before_ getting a tune. A tune is recommended to account for this extra boost pressure.
Hi Alan i just installed mine today and uploaded my new tune. i tried preloading it to 4mm, What are some things i should look out for or keep track of?
I’m getting my car E tune next week….. can I Install the wastegate on my ST and go with the OST stage 0 from COBB or I should wait for the base map from Alan then install it?
I would wait for a base map, we want to limit the chance of knock until everything is dialed in
So can I clarify? Obviously it was stated after the wastegate upgrade it needs a tune. However do i need to tune the factory wastewater adjustment to max out preload? I assume so but it also makes sense that we shouldn't have to aswell.
With the stock actuator would the car need to be re tuned
You should get the tune adjusted any time you make changes to the wastegate.
Hello Sir,
I have one question.
I test my wastgate but when i put pressure in the line from turbo to wastgete valve open but i saw also there was air escape from the rod that goes in the wastgate. Is that normal or this wastgate is broken ?
Hey edge what's the news with the new us regulations regarding emissions. I am headed to Texas from Colorado for the actual only reason I can tune my cars how I want to. I heard cobb no longer supports the accessport engine code overrides. Is it even worth tuning with accessport to track stuff?
The AP remains a very versatile tuning platform. If you are going full track car, it's less of an option now... but a weekend warrior track car, emissions equipment wont really slow you down. Through our testing, we can confirm catless exhausts do not perform significantly better than catted.
@@EdgeAutosport awesome!!! My goal is the ultimate Focus ST not particularly track focused. I meant track engine Temps and data. That answers my question perfectly. You guys are so awesome and I have built my ST around yalls videos as a guide
Yoo.. Awesome video. Wish we had ethanol on pump. Though fuel is cheap here brunei.
Do I need to tune it with the first mod you showed us ? ...I'm running 98 octane here in NZ...thankyou
Yes, it would be best to adjust the tune if you modify the wastegate.
Would have thought engine management light would come on
Having a custom tune already, do I need a new tune if I just preload my stock waste gate and stock turbo?
Changing the preload will require a revision to your tune, yes!
So my stock waistgate went Out and if I got the 7psi one for my 14 focus st will I need to get it tuned
Definitely need a tune when you change the wastegate pressure.
Would same small power increase be noticed on the garrett powermax by doing this adjustment or is it capped on e30 at 320ish whp
we didn't test this, unfortunately, as we went right to the turbosmart on our Powermax setup
Why do we need a new actoator when the original actuator is working just fine and can be adjusted just like the new one ?
For real they were identical it seems..
Basically, if all I can get my hands on is 91 octane it’s best to not pre-load the wastegate
Does this also apply to mazdaspeed?
Will I need a tune again
Yes, you should tune for this.
Stage 2 Cobb tune and I do the only 3 turns will I gain anything? And is the st on the back using wheel spacers ?
Best to get a custom tune if you are going to fiddle with the wastegate preload, friend. And no, our ST is all wheel, fits nice, right?
Camera man has to work on angles/close up shots. Hard to see what you are doing when they are so far away but otherwise keep the videos coming!
The turbo is easier to get to if you remove the wiper cowling
So if i have done the stock WG preload, tuned for the preload with E30/93 mix, running 12psi at redline now.....if i did the turbosmart WG and ran 14-15 psi at redline to stay "safer", what would you estimate 2 psi is worth in HP on top? And would i need retuned for the turbosmart?
Honestly, it is probably only about 10whp. Maybe 15 with the ethanol blend. Gains on 93oct are not as high due to added heat and having to run a little less spark advance. But with ethanol, you'll see a little more gains since the ethanol helps keep the cylinders cooler.
@@TMTMS3 so if im already tuned for the stock actuator preload adjusted, would i need a retune for the Turbosmart?
Curious what would you recommend the 12psi or 7psi spring?
Either is fine, but I prefer the 7psi at this point. As I've seen more and more issues with people trying to push the stock turbo to hard up top, you don't necessarily need the 12psi spring.
If I just do like 2 turns with no tune can it work and will it throw codes or send car into limp mode
This is really best to adjust before getting tuned/retuned. We wouldn't advise messing with it otherwise
Can i do this without tuning the car ?
You should tune for this.
So, a couple folks noticed on the Fiesta st in particular that changing the WGA (amd tune of course) got a little more top end. Most people are saying no but some studies are saying yes...any thoughts?
It is probably about as helpful for the fiesta as it is for the ST. It isn't earth shattering gains, but it will show improvements in parts of the curve.
@@TMTMS3 that's basically what I needed to hear. Wanted to shift the powerband a bit
Good video, It would be cool if they make a video of how to install the flex fuel innovate.
Great suggestion, I think we'll be adding fuel upgrades here soon.
@@EdgeAutosport Great, thanks!!!
@@fastfast5824 We should have some pretty cool stuff regarding that coming up in the not too distant future. Just working on some developmental things at the moment.
@@TMTMS3 thanks Alan!!!
They need to support ecoboost Maverick mods, 160-180k units sold annually
Should you retune if you only adjust the stock actuator?
Yes
Got a question, I recently purchased the turbosmart wastegate for my car as my wastegate is shot and causing overboost, I was gonna install it and set the preload to stock pressures so I can run the car without overboost until I can replace the turbo. My question is do I absolutely need a tune to install the TS waste gate? If so do I need a access port to do said tune? like I said I want to run factory boost pressures until I can upgrade my turbo which I do plan on getting a tune access port for, just wanted to know if I can fix the over boost problem until I can afford everything.
I had overboost code. Boost solenoid replaced bc it was full of oil. The wastegate doesn’t affect boost code
Can this be done to the 10th gen civic?
No, those are electronic wastegate actuators, and mechanical adjustments will likely just throw them off. They are very finicky.
Is this safe for a turbo pushing 23.5 peak psi? i hit my peak then it just falls off so im looking to be able to hold boost longer
This should help keep boost up through the powerband as we described. As for safety, you would want to consult your tuner to adjust for this, and make sure its calibrated for more boost after peak.
@@EdgeAutosport this is a long shot but do you guys mind making a tutorial white the turbo is in the car?
Hey guys are you still looking at changing the cat out
Also one cheap mod for those who are saving for the intake upgrade
Remove the airbox cover and strap the filter down with a length of serpentine belt and 2 of the existing screws
So much more suction noise
What happened to the Si?
Maintenance, and turbo research! Sorry for the delay, but we'll be back with more as soon as we're ready
Do I need to let my tuner know if I'm pre loading the stock actuator?
Yes, you do.
I did the turbosmart WGA upgrade and my engine blew up. :p
while that is tragic, It couldn't have been the wastegate adjustment alone... or it was hooked up to stay closed all the time and over boosted like crazy
How
@@PepperRed probably wasn't wastegate but I did a pull and buddy behind me said he saw smoke. pulled motor and took apart to find that I shattered a piston
@@austinedison3533 i get black smoke but that’s just gas i guess.
@@PepperRed ya mine was white thick smoke
"This is not going to translate to massive peak gains..." Lol
hey... we keep it real, you know?
@alan i know you guys love E, but for us guys that need or want to use meth, you guys should install a snow stg 2.5 meth kit, even if its just temporary and for data… not really any videos on YT with the focus st and data from it… focus st stock turbo FBO stock fuel and then with meth, and maybe a 2867 stock fuel and on meth would be great to see…. Thought id suggest it since you guys ask for suggestions sometimes… theres alot of people wanting this data i think
We have talked about this. I'm not sure if its something we will end up doing, but it is one of the options on the table with this project.
@@TMTMS3 i have the kit and you will be tuning it on a bnr67 this year but it would be cool seeing the data from 50/50 blends 75/25 and 100% meth… just alot of good data to be had…love watching you guys here, and seeing your input on the alliance, keep it up and hoping we see some tuning content with meth 🤞🏼🤘🏼
Leave p/n for those following along.
we've got links to the products in the cards and description for you.
Its not a mod, its simply an adjustment…
to be fair we MODIFIED the wastegate preload, right? lol
hah... 'doodie' cycle in brown.. ^_^
what about with meth injection? say like a 70/30 blend
It would achieve a similar result to ethanol, dramatically increasing knock resistance, and getting more from this mod.
lmao so funny
Can this same thing work on fiesta ST????