honestly microsoft as a company is much more open to apple and vice versa than apple is to say android. Bill gates used to own a huge portion of apple at one point. They even have a deal where microsoft exclusively produces office for them. If microsoft got into the phone game then yeah I think the rivalry would be heated but after the vista beef its cooled down.
@@has3219 That's true, call it a rivaley if you want but the truth is that Bill Gates and Apple come a long way. Despite popular believe Gates and Jobs were pretty good friends
If you're the richest person in the world, you wouldn't probably say a damn thing. Would you? Fuck no, you wouldn't. Who would. I'm surprised he gave Rose the time of day, even though Charlie Rose interrupted him every 10 seconds
+Beyond World One straight answer in this case for dumb fucks like you who can easily trap into the whole media gossip perpetuation that Charlie Rose here is trying to instigate. Issues like this are extremely complicated esp with addition of greater technology and to say yes or no is so irrelevant and digging ur own grave
He dodges the question. With out a doubt. What he is trying to get across is that Apple is setting the tone for whether companies are going to hand over private info with a fight or without.
+TheSacko He outright lies. Gates said Apple admitted it can find a way to devise a tool that only breaks into this encrypted iPhone only once. Apple never said they could do that, in fact, they've been very rightly and very passionately saying the opposite, and Gates knows this. He's just doing PR rounds for this little elite club of power-hungry sociopaths who are leaning on him. "We need to give up our privacy and encryption and trust our government without question otherwise there will be biological terrorism." Seriously? Talk about going overboard on the fear tactics. It would look like an SNL spoof if the subject wasn't so serious and so misunderstood by the masses. To be clear, Apple said it would be possible to create an OS that would create a backdoor into encrypted iPhones. This is destroying encryption by definition. And once you create a software that does that, it's like creating a master universal lock pick. Apple knows this. Google and about 30 other of the biggest tech companies know this. Family members of VICTIMS in the San Bernardino case who side with Apple obviously understand the bigger picture, if they can put all of their personal anger at the murders aside. Sure, that pick will adapt itself to this one handle, but by its very nature, a universal lock pick will easily adapt itself to all other locks too, because it is a universal lock pick. That's what creating what Tim Cook called a "cancer" of an OS that destroys encryption for the FBI would do. Gates isn't a moron, he knows all this. So does every tech savvy mind who knows anything about encryption, which is why all of them who aren't puppets are backing Apple right now. Do not listen to Bill Gates' overblown fear tactics, he's wrong, he knows it, and so does the FBI, he's just doing the rounds in the media for his sociopathic overlords. What this little group of elite thugs is trying to steal from everyone is sick, just sick.
+TheSacko « Maybe they could propose an overall plan for striking the balance between government being able to know things in some cases and having safeguards to make sure those powers are confined to appropriate cases. There is no avoiding this debate and they could contribute to how the balance should be struck. » Bill Gates on Reddit 2 days ago.
+Yehtox48 Imagine criminals are after you, and always waiting, just outside your door. Apple wants to keep the door locked at all times. Striking a balance in this debate is like saying we'll only open the door part way.
+marteenah sanchez he answered, just not to his liking. so he forced bill to answer to his liking, yes or no, which couldn't be done without creating a bigger problem in society
+marteenah sanchez if he answered "give it to the government", people will demand their privacy. if he said "won't give it to the government" when he knows the government is the one protecting the country, it's like saying "they do the best, I can help them, but I won't. I just won't. Even if that makes our country weaker and easier to attack."
Bill Gates gave a great answer. A complete one. He kept being interrupted because his answer wasn't simple enough. He agrees that the government should ultimately have the right to visibility to ultimately protect its citizens. It was a great answer. We need to stop letting people force us to give knee jerk answers because they are abrupt and keep interrupting. That is manipulation and intimidation. Don't let them do it. The press uses it almost continuously.
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+wcm5150 Yes, but at the same time I think what he was saying that regardless of the company that manufactured the phone the outcome would be the same. Eventually the government/courts will force the unlock, whether it was Apple or Microsoft or whomever. So in the end it doesn't really matter if you just delay the inevitable.
+CormanToth Actually Bill did dodge the question. The outcome would not have to be the same. In other words, a CEO has the power to decide whether to cooperate with the government right away or wait for the higher court ruling. It is one thing OR the other. What would Bill choose to do? That was the question. He didn't answer it.
+CormanToth It does matter, because this is an issue that needs to be taken to a higher court, and brought to public debate over the real implications here. Once people understand the real issue, every sane person will make sure the outcome favors saving encryption and denying the FBI.
Its scary to be a CEO or be a board of members in companies like this. Whatever you say in public is going to have an impact on the company's share/stock or you are going to be on media for all the reasons who don't want to.
+Kancho Charlie isn't a good interviewer here asking for yes or no answers. What's the point in that? What Bill did here is to give a broader perspective and understanding of the issue here while all Charlie cares is to force Bill to show his position and where he stands which people like you only cares about instead of allowing Bill to actually express his views and understanding of the issues discussed.
Perhaps he's dodging the question because people will think that he's speaking for Microsoft. I don't think Microsoft gave a solid answer of support at the time the interview was given.
Gates was not dodging the question. He was saying that he would comply with government orders, just as Apple would. And Rose just doesn't understand the issue, that is, that Apple's phone was not encrypted, and being not-encrypted Apple MUST comply. To understand this, you have to understand the meaning of the term "encryption" (which Rose does not). Encryption is black and white: If a device is encrypted it is IMPOSSIBLE to decode without a key, and there is no issue about releasing information to the government if the requested party does not have the key because one can't be required to produce information that one does not have. The fact that Apple has a way to decode the phone says that the phone was not properly encrypted to the degree that is easily feasible (ie impossible to decrypt) and so Apple HAS access to the information and must comply with a court order.
In other words, Bill Gates is completely fine giving back doors to the US Government, and thereby compromising the security of all their customers. Microsofts past behaviour has shown this to be true.
If we are not allowed to have all information about what the governments are doing, why should the government be allowed have information about what we are doing?
There seems to be this notion that if someone asks you a direct question, you must give a direct answer. This is wrong. You can ask any question you want. And I can give any answer I want.
He avoided the question because he was presented with a false dichotomy. If he was allowed to speak in more detail, perhaps we could have learned something.
The answer sounds more like I support the government in getting full access to everything. Even though not long ago Jews were imprisoned in Germany, being Gay was illegal (and still is in some countries). Criticizing governments can get you jailed (like many protester and investigative journalists, especially abroad). And yet we need to trust our Governments that they will never do such thing if we give them full control. Bill Gates to me can not be trusted and I will never use a Windows device again.
Did you noticed that Steve danced around the question with another question! It's funny to know now the government went to a third party to get it and it showed the perpetrators erased the iPhones so it was all for nothing!
Bill's still gettting that 5 dollar haircut in Chinatown. For a guy with a full head of hair...fresh off the skateboard seems like just one of many options.
Talk about avoiding the question... Apple provided encryption and other security features to prevent ANYONE from easily accessing that data. If they did the job correctly Apple would need to break that encryption through brute force or other methods just like the rest of us.
When someone like him speaks you should ATLEAST let him say what he wants to say you can disagree and put forth your point BUT friggin' listen to someone like him. This is like the most basic thing.
Even though he dodged the question, I think his answer is still pretty good. The FBI/NSA needs to earn trust to the point where the argument is not “can they be trusted?” and instead “yes they can be trusted do it Apple”
I feel as if he said a lot about nothing... Does he solely agree or disagree? I'm not too sure he made that clear. More importantly he muffled and messed up whatever he was trying to say in the end. That's really quite disappointing. Bill you should let others process and think. I still respect the man but as I said I'm disappointed.
+DotShaddy Well he is a powerful person in the world and he needs to protect what he says. I know it's hard to see or you may not like what he said but that's the reality. He answered a question on the situation and avoided a conflict by disagreeing with Tim Cook. It's respect in my eyes.
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He's avoiding the question because he feels uncomfortable that Charlie Rose is wearing an Apple Watch.
You made me lol so hard
honestly microsoft as a company is much more open to apple and vice versa than apple is to say android. Bill gates used to own a huge portion of apple at one point. They even have a deal where microsoft exclusively produces office for them. If microsoft got into the phone game then yeah I think the rivalry would be heated but after the vista beef its cooled down.
@@has3219 I think they are also much more open to the government.
@@has3219 That's true, call it a rivaley if you want but the truth is that Bill Gates and Apple come a long way. Despite popular believe Gates and Jobs were pretty good friends
Lol
Bill gates should go into politics, no straight answer given.
If you're the richest person in the world, you wouldn't probably say a damn thing. Would you? Fuck no, you wouldn't. Who would. I'm surprised he gave Rose the time of day, even though Charlie Rose interrupted him every 10 seconds
+bobby bousche'
he had the money to get him killed LOL bill gates for life
+Beyond World One straight answer in this case for dumb fucks like you who can easily trap into the whole media gossip perpetuation that Charlie Rose here is trying to instigate.
Issues like this are extremely complicated esp with addition of greater technology and to say yes or no is so irrelevant and digging ur own grave
When you are in a position like him you don't just answer questions with a yes and no.
And he's trying to inform everyone about the judicial process.
I haven't seen Bill dance like this since his deposition tapes from the 90s.
+TMM Because you don't see a clear enough thinker too often.
+Ketan Singh agreed
Charlie, nice apple watch u have there..
He dodges the question. With out a doubt. What he is trying to get across is that Apple is setting the tone for whether companies are going to hand over private info with a fight or without.
Exactly.
+TheSacko He outright lies. Gates said Apple admitted it can find a way to devise a tool that only breaks into this encrypted iPhone only once. Apple never said they could do that, in fact, they've been very rightly and very passionately saying the opposite, and Gates knows this. He's just doing PR rounds for this little elite club of power-hungry sociopaths who are leaning on him. "We need to give up our privacy and encryption and trust our government without question otherwise there will be biological terrorism." Seriously? Talk about going overboard on the fear tactics. It would look like an SNL spoof if the subject wasn't so serious and so misunderstood by the masses.
To be clear, Apple said it would be possible to create an OS that would create a backdoor into encrypted iPhones. This is destroying encryption by definition. And once you create a software that does that, it's like creating a master universal lock pick. Apple knows this. Google and about 30 other of the biggest tech companies know this. Family members of VICTIMS in the San Bernardino case who side with Apple obviously understand the bigger picture, if they can put all of their personal anger at the murders aside. Sure, that pick will adapt itself to this one handle, but by its very nature, a universal lock pick will easily adapt itself to all other locks too, because it is a universal lock pick. That's what creating what Tim Cook called a "cancer" of an OS that destroys encryption for the FBI would do. Gates isn't a moron, he knows all this. So does every tech savvy mind who knows anything about encryption, which is why all of them who aren't puppets are backing Apple right now. Do not listen to Bill Gates' overblown fear tactics, he's wrong, he knows it, and so does the FBI, he's just doing the rounds in the media for his sociopathic overlords. What this little group of elite thugs is trying to steal from everyone is sick, just sick.
+TheSacko
« Maybe they could propose an overall plan for striking the balance between government being able to know things in some cases and having safeguards to make sure those powers are confined to appropriate cases. There is no avoiding this debate and they could contribute to how the balance should be struck. »
Bill Gates on Reddit 2 days ago.
+Yehtox48 Imagine criminals are after you, and always waiting, just outside your door. Apple wants to keep the door locked at all times. Striking a balance in this debate is like saying we'll only open the door part way.
+TheSacko It's okay to do that if the question is bad. Many yes-or-no interview questions leave out the nuance and context of a situation.
Shut up and let him talk, Charlie! I can't even listen to your interviews any more with all this interrupting.
+marteenah sanchez he answered, just not to his liking. so he forced bill to answer to his liking, yes or no, which couldn't be done without creating a bigger problem in society
+marteenah sanchez if he answered "give it to the government", people will demand their privacy. if he said "won't give it to the government" when he knows the government is the one protecting the country, it's like saying "they do the best, I can help them, but I won't. I just won't. Even if that makes our country weaker and easier to attack."
Jack Wright Agree
He’s interrupting because Bill isn’t answering the question and didn’t answer the question the whole time.
Bill Gates gave a great answer. A complete one. He kept being interrupted because his answer wasn't simple enough. He agrees that the government should ultimately have the right to visibility to ultimately protect its citizens. It was a great answer. We need to stop letting people force us to give knee jerk answers because they are abrupt and keep interrupting. That is manipulation and intimidation. Don't let them do it. The press uses it almost continuously.
Got to hand it to Rose, not letting him off easy at least.
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That's the greatest non-answer I've ever heard...
He totally dodged that question. It was a simple yes or no followed by a qualification. That is it.
+wcm5150 Yes, but at the same time I think what he was saying that regardless of the company that manufactured the phone the outcome would be the same. Eventually the government/courts will force the unlock, whether it was Apple or Microsoft or whomever. So in the end it doesn't really matter if you just delay the inevitable.
+CormanToth
Actually Bill did dodge the question. The outcome would not have to be the same. In other words, a CEO has the power to decide whether to cooperate with the government right away or wait for the higher court ruling. It is one thing OR the other. What would Bill choose to do? That was the question. He didn't answer it.
+CormanToth It does matter, because this is an issue that needs to be taken to a higher court, and brought to public debate over the real implications here. Once people understand the real issue, every sane person will make sure the outcome favors saving encryption and denying the FBI.
Just answer the damn question!
Its scary to be a CEO or be a board of members in companies like this. Whatever you say in public is going to have an impact on the company's share/stock or you are going to be on media for all the reasons who don't want to.
most folks don't seem to realise that
those two dicks are cancelled? WHY?
Billions of dollars and you can't afford an opinion?
You made my day ... hahaha...
Perhaps... Billions of dollars because he doesn't give an opinion ; )
omg Charlie if you interrupt him one more time!
+Crimsonphilosophy
Gates is an evasive f*ck. Charlie is conducting an interview like a pro, he isn't... Anderson Cooper or whatever.
Gates is rich as fuck and I'm sure you grew up on a windows machine. Who else can you thank for giving that to you?? Got all the answers don't you
+Kancho Charlie isn't a good interviewer here asking for yes or no answers. What's the point in that? What Bill did here is to give a broader perspective and understanding of the issue here while all Charlie cares is to force Bill to show his position and where he stands which people like you only cares about instead of allowing Bill to actually express his views and understanding of the issues discussed.
I think the Apple watch on Charlie's wrist was more uncomfortable than the question for Bill.
Perhaps he's dodging the question because people will think that he's speaking for Microsoft. I don't think Microsoft gave a solid answer of support at the time the interview was given.
Argument with Apple and Microsoft gives 70% likes and 30% dislikes.
Gates was not dodging the question. He was saying that he would comply with government orders, just as Apple would. And Rose just doesn't understand the issue, that is, that Apple's phone was not encrypted, and being not-encrypted Apple MUST comply. To understand this, you have to understand the meaning of the term "encryption" (which Rose does not). Encryption is black and white: If a device is encrypted it is IMPOSSIBLE to decode without a key, and there is no issue about releasing information to the government if the requested party does not have the key because one can't be required to produce information that one does not have. The fact that Apple has a way to decode the phone says that the phone was not properly encrypted to the degree that is easily feasible (ie impossible to decrypt) and so Apple HAS access to the information and must comply with a court order.
never can he agree with apple. I bet he even stopped eating apples.
No, Bill. The question was, "What would you do?" and you very skillfully avoided answering.
Well maybe if the interviewer had shown him respect he’d be more comfortable answering the question . Did he really have to flaunt that Apple Watch?
Bill wouldve sided with Iron Man in Civil War.
In other words, Bill Gates is completely fine giving back doors to the US Government, and thereby compromising the security of all their customers. Microsofts past behaviour has shown this to be true.
It if it were an Android device, Google would have happily given away everything. Much respect to Apple.
Bill: I will only answer your question if you put off that Apple watch on your wrist.
that's why opensource trumps them all!
+Marwan Bayoumi That could be a Donald Trump joke, lol. More like out source.
What are you talking about? open source encryption schemes? lol idiot
Human Being How are you talking to?
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No Bill, he's asking WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Fool!!!
Yeah right. Practicing for that ambassador job?
This guy just speaks at 100% volume constantly
I'd say this is a pretty disappointing response...
So if data on iPhones can be accessed by Apple even when locked, why is it so hard for the government to figure out a bypass?
Interviewing Bill with an apple watch? savage.
If we are not allowed to have all information about what the governments are doing, why should the government be allowed have information about what we are doing?
It is a fact that Bill dodges the question but Charlie is interrupting everyone and he never waits for the oponent to stop talking.
There seems to be this notion that if someone asks you a direct question, you must give a direct answer. This is wrong.
You can ask any question you want. And I can give any answer I want.
I love how Bill Gates keeps glancing at Charlie's Apple Watch.
You know what? I gained respect for Charlie Rose watching this interview.
He's avoiding the answer because he knows the public wouldn't respond well to his oppinion. But he answered, if you have ears to listen.
He was cornered! Yes or no and why, very simple!
He avoided the question because he was presented with a false dichotomy. If he was allowed to speak in more detail, perhaps we could have learned something.
Answer: "I don't know!!! I never actually thought about that"
The answer sounds more like I support the government in getting full access to everything. Even though not long ago Jews were imprisoned in Germany, being Gay was illegal (and still is in some countries). Criticizing governments can get you jailed (like many protester and investigative journalists, especially abroad). And yet we need to trust our Governments that they will never do such thing if we give them full control. Bill Gates to me can not be trusted and I will never use a Windows device again.
"The gov't will exercise it's sovereign power"? WTF?
is he capable of making a straight answer? he is answering different questions...
Bill should have never been to the interview with this low-style interviewer at all.
for real. the interviewer sucks
He keeps dodging the question
Gotcha style interview Mr. Rose.
So basically he agrees but gives such a lame ass answer in hopes the media won't quote him saying "yes i agree with Apple".
ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION BILL!!! STOP DANCING
His answer may appear vague on the surface, but it's all crystal clear really, ......
Does someone know where I may watch the full interview?
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Charlie Rose needs to learn to let his guests answer and to understand the questions that he asks.
That was the most ambiguous interview I've ever viewed!! There must be a reason it's coming up now in my recommendations.
I dont think gov should have that access. But that's a discussion we should put emphasis on.
Sits in front of the founder of Microsoft and wears an Apple Watch :p
Why inviting Bill Gates? U can talk to urself anyway Charlie
f.f.s. Charlie, if you just want to talk, why have a guest on your show at all?
Don't Interrupt!
How to avoid a question for dummies.
On his AMA on Reddit, I feel like he answered it a lot more clearly.
imagine being able to say "I am the richest man in the world" - that's this dudes reality.
God, you sound like a politician. What's your stance Bill?
2:05 charlie flashing him the watch! Lol
Did you noticed that Steve danced around the question with another question! It's funny to know now the government went to a third party to get it and it showed the perpetrators erased the iPhones so it was all for nothing!
Steve?
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Oh come on Gill Bates, answer the question !
Some questions just can't/ shouldn't be answered with simple yes or now...
with splits, leaps and pirouettes, or how Bill avoided putting another CEO on the spot
That is the face of a scared man.
When the interviewer has a blue iWatch on his rist...
so dose Rose wear that watch all the time or just for gates?
He's right it's not a technological issue it's more of a what do you think apple should do
I don’t need government to running my private life period
How much charlie for wearing this awful watch, out of curiosity?
...He says while wearing an Apple Watch...
Bill's still gettting that 5 dollar haircut in Chinatown. For a guy with a full head of hair...fresh off the skateboard seems like just one of many options.
Mr. Gates, Mr. Wozniak would like to have a talk with you.
Talk about avoiding the question... Apple provided encryption and other security features to prevent ANYONE from easily accessing that data. If they did the job correctly Apple would need to break that encryption through brute force or other methods just like the rest of us.
Guides for How to avoid question.....
Some constructive criticism from your audience. Charlie Rose, please let the man talk.
I feel bad because Charlie Rose is a great interviewer and we're not going to get to hear from him :(
When someone like him speaks you should ATLEAST let him say what he wants to say you can disagree and put forth your point BUT friggin' listen to someone like him. This is like the most basic thing.
Trusting the government with software back doors is such a bad idea it makes me WnaCry..... I hope Mr Gates would agree at this juncture.
Oh My God ... YES OR NO BILL !!!
lol he knew what he would do just didn't want to speak on it.
this just left me so confused.....
one of the weirdest interviews ever
Re. US Government right to have access to bank accounts: why wonder then US citizens move their assets abroad?
Even though he dodged the question, I think his answer is still pretty good.
The FBI/NSA needs to earn trust to the point where the argument is not “can they be trusted?” and instead “yes they can be trusted do it Apple”
Nope,Apple Stand Firm.--+++ Also He goes back to the start of the damn Question..back the the courts..playing ring around the rosie,ha.
damn didnt know bill was a master of the wiggle dance...wiggle wiggle wiggle!
Is it that hard to be straight forward ?
guys, this issue can implicate Gates...he knows that... and Apple could suit him for delivering inside info
its like hes got a horse in the race. come on Bill.
dodging like a good nwo minion.
He's the richest man on earth .
just answer the goddamn question FFS
i love how charlie keeps flashing is apple watch to old bill ahah take that billie!!!
They already started social distancing in 2016 2:38
i saw the apple plug on his left arm ^^
That shirt is too big. It's probably comfy though.
people just try to get Bill Gates mad
Something about his fingers..
I feel as if he said a lot about nothing... Does he solely agree or disagree? I'm not too sure he made that clear. More importantly he muffled and messed up whatever he was trying to say in the end. That's really quite disappointing. Bill you should let others process and think. I still respect the man but as I said I'm disappointed.
+DotShaddy Well he is a powerful person in the world and he needs to protect what he says. I know it's hard to see or you may not like what he said but that's the reality. He answered a question on the situation and avoided a conflict by disagreeing with Tim Cook. It's respect in my eyes.
+DotShaddy He sounds exactly like the Bush administration did when trying to justify the war in Iraq.