Wave Power - A New Way Forward?
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I soo wish you had been one of my teachers back in the 70's.
We were lucky in Australia in the 70s we had Prof Julius Sumner Miller (hope you enjoy this link) he was an absolute treasure for educating
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That is a under statement could you imagine if all teachers shared this mans personality and talent
I do wish he would tell people who hate and doubt to get stuffed !!!!
I think he just feels he is above the nonsense
This is the only person I have ever payed to subscribe
I just don't do that
but this guy I would pay every month just to keep spreading that alsome altitude
That not even considering the encouragement and intelligence
I am just so impressed!!!!!
Let him be your teacher now
lol - cheers mate
What If I wished that I was the teacher of the teacher you wish for! 😎😂
One of the reasons I keep coming back is that you make me thing! I am 68 and my brain has gotten lazy.. Thanks Rob for giving me some grand things to do and think about.. now I am off to get some carbon rods.. and then spend a wonderful day by the sea..
awesome mate - and take a camera lol
Is this surface reaction is it only limited to water or could the thing be done with air flow or noble gas flow.
And thanks for keeping the mind exploring new ways of looking at old things.
@@ThinkingandTinkering good plan I always seem to forget it..
Awesome. Love this guy. Genuine & real. If I came into money, he can have it. Trust
Ian, Birmingham, UK
lol - cheers mate and thanks for taking time to say so - all the best
@@ThinkingandTinkering any time.
@@kafkaian Woo Bham too. Trying to find a local workshop on the cheap so I can start building these some of these gems.
Curious to know: would Energy transmission from sea be done with Microwave?
Again, another winner! Love the carbon rods: seems they're good for everything... Great work again Robert....................................Tim
thanks mate
The solution to free unlimited energy will be found due to the work done by a bloke working in his shed. Looking at the comments, you are really making us think. 👍
i am glad about that mate
Every time I see you I learn more and more. The exciting part is that I have reasonable applications!
Interesting! Just goes to show, make any object interact with another and you can get an effect... Theres a whole world out there to explore and you dont need fancy lab equipment and/or lots of money, we can all contribute to the betterment of humankind. Keep "em coming...! 😁
absolutely mate
I absolutely love your videos ! Keep up the great work
Glad you like them!
I just enjoy watching the joy you have making these videos!!!
Glad you like them mate
Thanks so much for doing that experiment!
Very neat, thank you for exploring this patent further!
cheers mate
Man you are awesome, I really love your work!
Just wanted to say thank you for sharing your feature presentations of... very interesting too
Brilliant. Great a video!!!
Thank you sir, you have a pleasant personality and knowledge that keeps me interested in your vids. Strange there are always those constant, 10 sad people that dislike your vids...
Thank you Robert.
Another amazing concept. You never cease to amaze me.
Thank you! Cheers!
Really cool! Thanks for sharing
Very good. I love your videos. Good point about it being open source now, hopefully lots of people will swarm to produce a device that can produce clean energy.
I hope so too
Very inspirational!
Robert. I love your mind. I love your perspective. I love your attitude! I learn so much from you. Thank you so much!
You are so welcome
An incredibly simple idea, can't wait to see what comes next!
cheers mate
That's amazing Robert, I have a great project i'm working on that would marry with this very well. Thank you and love your passion!
Just found your channel. WoW have you sent me off on a tangent . Keep it up Thanks
I like the idea of painting some of your ink onto thin plastic and stacking a few thousand sheets..
Thanks Rob, this is an amazing idea. Many electronics work now with tiny currents, like energy harvesting sensors to send data
spot on mate - you are the first person I have read to actually get it
For those finding it hard to search for the cupboard blocks online, they are also called "modesty blocks".
awesome cheers mate
Thank you for that!!!
I love your videos and the fact that you have an open mind and for that reason I want to see if you have looked into colloidal silver because I have got very good results using it as an antibiotic and I have treated very extreme infections with it for over 15 years with no noticeable side effects and I'd love to see you do a video on it. Thanks for the awesome awesome videos!
I really love your videos sir, it’s wonderful to see someone so passionate about experimentation. I once worked as a trials engineer working with solid fuel rocket motors and there was a physicist as lead engineer,you remind me of him, a very clever and focused man able to turn his hand to many engineering challenges covering different disciplines. I think you are the sort of chap who could deliver The Christmas Lectures passing on skills on knowledge and experiences that our young people today are deprived of. Another fabulous demonstration sir.
cheers mate and thank you for taking the time to say so
I watched "Cast Away" the other day and it got me thinking what someone in that particular circumstance could come up with.
nice thought experiment mate
Have you thought of trying graphene sheets instead of carbon?
"I built it out of coconuts!"
People should remember more often that there are three levels of power production: You got the grid itself, where one big nuclear plant or turning a valley into a pumped hydro battery works better than a million smaller power sources. You got the local scale where solar panels on your roof or a windmill to power a town are more feasible and economical than building thousand miles of high voltage line.
And then you got the cases where you need any power source at all, like cars with gasoline burning ICEs and campsites in middle of a wilderness, or, yes, castaways and people in some post-apocalyptic scenario. Doesn't matter if an ineffective solar panel can't pay for itself or replace the CO2 making it produced if it is made to last and it is the only way to keep the radio on your lifeboat operational.
All kinds of preppers talk about surviving after collapse, but for some reason few of them seem interested in building a library of science books so they can MacGyver themselves a power source for when they run out of fuel for their zombiemobile...
Imagine a neanderthal using 2 charcoal sticks and a frogs leg for a sensor
You can also get carb rods from your local welding supply store I use them every day for air arcing ! And they are not very expensive!
You never disappoint! To eliminate corrosion in the alum-brass fresh water battery place it in a plastic container and float it in the ocean for free sloshing motion. Please keep up the good work. Thank you.
Thanks Robert, got it., galvanic action . sorry a lot dumb questions, but I am learning, by watching channels like yours on youtube. Normally I'm a freelance auto mechanic , who likes to tinker with things , so I have a couriosity for devices. I respect your ability to invent and share the knowledge you aquire through the process of doing that.Thanks for the channel, thumbs up.
cheers mate and the idea here is to share stuff that i think is well worth playing around with
Thank you for reminding me to do my homework.
I am still thinking a whirly gig to stir water in a barrel, and place the whole business quite close to the battery bank is preferable to 100 yards transmission line from the brook.
You could print the carbon ink onto a waterproof sheet for a massive array connected in series and each sheet connected in parallel or vice versa
you could mate for sure
Just another super interesting video 🤩
Brilliant invention woa I have to read the patent this is powerful
I am a very poor reader but I have been reading an awful lot these last few weeks. I will have a little go at reading this paper. Thanks again mate.
Please do! and awesome mate
great video as always thank you for doing these videos. I was wondering would you get better power if this device was dipped in the dead sea giving it is very salty?.
Robert, i thoroughly enjoy your video. I just want to share some information on graphite rods that are prolific in supply and reasonable in price. If you go to any welding supply shop and ask for graphite arc gouging rods, there is a selection from 6mm to 13mm diameter and 300mm long.
Robert, I am picturing those damn things not as rods, but as sheets. A sheet of backing to support smtrips printed or painted onto it.
And each sheet can have a common Series-Parallel configuration on it.
Also, in the sea, galvanic corrosion is not the only issue. Barnacles and other critters take over quick.
The Secret is in the wave - Walter Russell.
The wave is an electromagnetic pressure wave spiralling outwards, water reveals its presence, it is also alternating current - these days we call it wind - FPV Angel.
Intriguing once again Rob. My brains gone off on one....😳😀👍
well that's a good thing
Sort of reminds me of graphene Van Der Waals Heterostructures aligned in precise geometric configuration/ratio to take advantage of the conjugate relationship of the universe; maybe, just maybe, one doesn't even need water, but oh what we could learn from water! Very beautiful videos you have here!
cheers mate
Super Vid , congratulations my friend 👍👍👍
Thank you! Cheers!
All smiles from me...... 😊😊😊
cheers mate
I find it very interesting Robert!
cheers mate
The salt water is a conductor, moving in a magnetic field (that of Earth). Try the same in the presence of a powerful neodymium magnet, it will work even better🤗.
have a look at the video where I talk about the mechanism mate
Okay just for fun, take the wind generation device of your choice, coat it with the solar generation material of your choice, place part of the moving end in water along with this wave power device. This will give you three different forms of energy collection in a single package. You could also include a peltier device, that would give you four sources of energy in one package. store this energy in a carbon battery or capacitor and then you have leveraged some pretty awesome technology!
nice one mate
Ok I'll have a look at the patent itself :). The 'working mechanism' video I'm not sure of but will look.
Love the experiment in the sea! As an alternate way of thinking-in-the-box, you could keep your metal electrodes and electrolyte/water in a sealed box and just have the wave motion jiggle it about as it floats in the surface. If you leave a clear window in the top or paint it black you may also get the sun warming it up too !
cheers mate
I know this isn't what this video was about, but it does remind me of a mechanical form of wave power from the sea using tides. I'm hating myself at the moment because I was recently asked about what other kind of reliable power that occurs every day. I could only think of solar as the sun does indeed rise every single day, but I totally forgot about the 2 tides that occurs every day as long as we have the moon orbiting us.
oops lol - i wouldn't worry about it mate stuff escapes us all the time and then w rememeber - happens to me
You can also buy carbon rods at a local welding shop.
They are called "Burning Rods" and they have a copper plating on them which is easy to remove.
The plating is great if you want to solder to them.
Good tip! - cheers mate
a easy to obtain carbon rods can be bought from welding supply houses they come in copper coated and just plane carbon
Robert it is truly wonderful that you are happy to share your experiences and knowledge. It’s frustrating though that there will be people who take others work and claim it as their own. A true sign of a small minded person I guess. But if more people shared knowledge and thus, there was more experimentation and sharing, wouldn’t new technological progress grow so much faster? I
I think you are spot on and there will always be a 'few' - C'est la vive
What a gift you have well explained Robert. Generating micro-amps from putting carbon rods in saltwater is pretty great. I shared this to LinkedIn & Facebook, one of my friends designed & built a full sized Trebuchet in a small field and fired students into a net across that field. one missed.
lol - that is awesome - sand probably the best thing to do with students if you happen to have a few and a trebuchet to hand lol
@@ThinkingandTinkering, the man is called Neil McCallum and he's actually featured with the trebuchet at the end of a series about humanity, I think it was the Desmond Morris series, his last one I think. Long story short the owner of the house & field was charged with manslaughter. He was actually a nice guy who had to move to another area because of it. In 1995 this same house cam on the market and was one that we wanted to buy but he wanted too much for our budget. Neil also spend a lot of time creating the Lilstock Beach-hut which even had it's own Facebook page. There was even a covered area for cooking on the oil drum stove nestled into the cliff side or eating at the free bar and beer garden, everything was made from finds on the beach, all the plastic rubbish turned into art or cleared, stored and taken away. One week-end we stuffed 5 ton bags full of the collected clean plastic waste and made them into bean-bag seating for the bar which really did have a free bar. If you drank you had to replace like for like at a later date, it was an honesty bar which worked for about 4 months before some local thugs trashed it.
Excellent, thanks. I was thinking about tides because in the earlier video you mentioned that the aluminum and brass rod had to be set up so that one of them was down stream of the other. In this case the rods are the same material which means no galvanic response. How about one carbon and one stainless steel? You could hook it to a wind mill and spin it round in a tank of water.
for sure mate - but you will have to contend with folks telling you it is a battery
Cool af!
You could put thousands of those around the coast in caves that bit even fish use
for sure mate
Nice work mr blue sky
Thank you Kindly sir lol
Now imagine doing this with carbon nanofibers each plated via surface deposition on the ends so they can be joined together...
Been a big fan of your videos every since I discovered you some years ago. Thanks for keeping the knowledge flowing!
I watched your next video before this one and asked a similar question but about the copper aluminium rods. Obviously carbon rods work better and last longer.
Great videos, should have watched them in order
lol - no worries mate I should have numbered them
You've probably thought of it already Rob but using your metal "probe" array could be used in the sea provided the array was sitting in a tub of freshwater with the sea providing the necessary slosh.
It also ducks the fouling problem that seawater most likely present.
Anyway that's my two bobs worth. Awesome stuff mate.
yes mate you are right it would work fine that way as we are really just using the energy of the waves to provide the slosh - lol - awesome mate
This is amazing. I will fish out that patent, like you suggest. It´s not your job to tell people information they can get themselves. Good to have boundaries :)
Well said!
Discovered similar effects myself when investigating capacitive water level sensors, DIYed from thin strips of anodised metal, inside far larger diameter copper tube. Ended up zapping several 555 timers before figured it out.
The layer of anodising has very high resistance... So much so that as an approximation water is a good conductor, and in effect the water becomes one plate of a capacitor..
Anodised layer is strong dielectric, and very thin. Changing water level changes effective plate area, thus changing capacitance.
Doesn't generate electricity... More like a DC to DC converter.. Will step up tiny voltage across a large capacitor... To a larger voltage, across a smaller capacitor.
2E=C_1*V_1^2=C_2*V_2^2
etc
Keep in mind, the sea has not only tides but currents pushing into the shore and rip tides pulling out. Moving continual flow electrolite?
yes
Ok was going to ask about peltier effect been as the water has to be warm. However will go and find the patent read then ask :)
also have a look at the video where I talk about the mechanism mate
I think the nanotechnology and IoT powering with this technology is a path to pursuit. Good job mate. Cheers!
I think about this in fermentation tanks.
i'm guessing the powers that's being generated is through the piezoelectric effect that's making contact with the carbon rod through the wave or the piezoelectric effect of the rod vibrating the copper coils that is smashed on the surface mount. never seen this particular design, it is rather interesting. i too have something similar as well, a flat paper coat it with carbon, simply make a hollow surface to allow water streams to flow through it to then make movement through the paper carbon surface which will also induce piezoelectric effect and harvest energy that way.
watch the video on where I talk about the mechanism mate
Have you tested with longer/fatter rods and deeper submersion? Seems like surface exposure affects the output. Not what I thought it was going to be. I thought you were referring to tide motors/generators (same as wave motor/generators). I worked for a company back in the mid 80's that manufactured fiberglass panels for tide/wave generators. Very interesting ans good job. God bless and stay well.
Just a minor correction, this has been in the public domain (free to use) everywhere outside the USA since 1979 when it was first published by the USPTO, as there were apparently no equivalent patent filings elsewhere. And even in the USA, the patent expired in 1996.
In the tank demonstration at just before 8:00, I notice that the reading seems to go up greatly when your hand is near to the generator, and fall when your hand is removed. When dealing with micro-amp currents, it's easy to be mislead just by the unpredictable effects of capacitively coupling to your own body, or even picking up a tiny trace of stray static. To avoid these potential false readings, I suggest you just get some clamps you can use to hold things in place, and a glass poking-stick so you can keep yourself at a safe distance.
awesome mate - cheers
I'd like to see if it would work to attach several of these to a dock or suspend from them from the bottom of a pontoon boat.
Hi. Look I think you can make it more efficient.
You have a bunch of cells connected in parallel. I'd like to ask if you determined the polarity of each individual cell to make sure that they are connected the correct way round. If you have 3 connected alternate to the others then you are reading the current developed by 4 of the cells. Test each one individually. Get the polarity the right way. See if it makes as difference. Nice work BTW.
nice ideas mate - go for it and build one
@@ThinkingandTinkering thanks for the reply. Looks like too much trouble to be fair 😂
Put 2 carbon rods on the tip of one of those perpetual sippy bird toys, and you've got waves for days.
i like that mate
wow robert,thats really interesting..ive noticed that your graphine soaked felt might be a better material for the rods,as it wld flutter in a stream or wave situation,and have more available surface area,being permeable...also,re the charge separationi think plasma science is the window to watch thru...1st rule is that electrically-active plasma is the primary state of 99% of everything,that plasma can be in many different states;pure,gaseous,liquid and solid...snd our oceans are massive electrolyte sinks,connected to the solar circuit,and thru that to the galactic circuit...circuit theory and electricity in plasmas...just some thoughts bro...thanks for the education,your classes rock...
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cheers mate
I remember getting more like mA ... the meter I had at the time is only good down to 100uA divisions.... I do remember that I used DI + wood ash & borax as electrolyte (3:1) . Plates were same metal, 2 plates . 1"x1" submerged surface area ea. I remember using stainless and titanium sets (caz those materials disappeared 'less' as a scariac). Most resistant material was from those pool salt water chlorine generator things... A friend donated a bunch, turned out to be some kinda black oxide material on top of titanium .... U gotta get the mag stir bar out to get constant flow rate. At one time I used the blender, but didn't notice dramatic increase in power output. aka > something is rate limiting the effect.
I am going to give this a go mate - I'll have a look for those chlorine generators you mentioned but here in the UK pools aren't that popular so I may have a problem there
I had a quick look it's ruthenium coated - and they are expensive
maybe we can arrange that in a circular disk arrangement and turn it very fast, where half is in contact with saltwater at any given time...
Hello, can you add a wind stick to top of the rods? I think this will simulate your current, while the rods can remain submerged in static water
I’m guessing you could put one side of the electrode bank on a swivel rod so the it swings easily, either by water motion or by paddle/plate above water that moves in the wind, or does the distance have to be fixed.
I don't know mate - that would certainly be something to experiment with
For a seawater wave generator, would some kind of electromagnet work?
A coil moving along a stationary metal bar. Where the wave action "pushes" the coil back and forth.
The movement of the coil produces electricity.
Probably would have some corrosion problems over time though.
it would work fine and there are several implementations of this
Fantastic for a large array of wind or solar engines . In return for all your great ideas, I dont like to share with those who abuse the populace which are the first to lock good ideas behind patents and never touch them again. But Id like to bring to your attention the dual piezoelectric/triboelectric hybrid generator. it can put out amazing amounts of power from recycled forever plastic and can be powered by cascading smaller generators or even pistons with wind power
It's possible the array you built is generating conflicting currents, perhaps a way to rectify the power from the individual collectors (I know that's hard to do at such small energy levels)
have a look at the explanation video mate
In the science ingredients channel, they guy did an experiment with electro hydrodynamics, which I may or may not be working on currently for some company 😬, but anyhoo, he showed flow of liquid metal by applying an electric field 90 deg of a magnetic field to basically make a motor off the liquid metal. But then he showed that the same thing works backwards... Flow the liquid and you get a current. Finally he showed that it also works on water, but there must be an electrolyte or something to carry the current in it. Furder investigation showed that you can actually induce a current in the liquid to have a touchless current flow that then helps the Lorentz force work on the liquid and make it move. Anyway, I find it interesting that you get a current across inert material due to flow without a magnetic or electric field. Very cool.
isn't that an example of magnetohydrodynamics mate?
@@ThinkingandTinkering Yes. It's my guess at what maybe happening with the water moving across the rods in your experiment. It just doesn't follow what has come before :)
Is this effect due to the triboelectricity? Or a combination of mechanisms? Perhaps the device would perform better if the electrodes were wrapped in separators.
I'd be interested to see if there's any frequency associated with that, as in somehow coupling with mains radiant emi or something..
i did this in the sea mate
What if you used a screen like material and set it up so the water passes through the screen of one pole then the water continues through the second screen that way you have a huge surface area which might produce more current !
Hmm. Be interesting if the charge increased if simply put into a moving stream of salt water instead of dipping in/out. The way the power increased when you sloshed the water more vigourously in that last test made me ponder if there's any conversion of the kinetic energy.
Silly question, maybe. Can you try it?
Robert, would a forced piped volume of sea or salt water rushing through the carbon rods depart more charge?
I would be interested in seeing what electric power generation could be made out of longshore current.
Could use brass and aluminium in pipe with water pump to get a constant flow of water over the rods to simulate the river affect
for sure mate - especially good if you don't. live near a river - nice idea
Imagine every time you turn on a faucet, you recover energy. Maybe your lawn sprinklers can generate and store power to light patio LED's once it gets dark, for example.
We need to design condoms with hundreds of little graphene rods along the length, then the plunging action will generate some current in the slightly acidic and salty environment. To this we must attach (and first invent!!) a long range wireless energy transfer unit, then sell 'em to the Chinese. World energy problems solved.
Only kidding of course. I love your channel mate. Goldmine. Making me consider going to Uni at 42!
Keep them coming, love it.
Next step is a large graphene electrode and salt. Though would it be rechargeable with zinc iodide, or Epsom salt or potassium sulfate.
Could it be galvanic action through the metals in the water itself?
Robert, Try the water slide generator with a pump :) My Clay is about ready :) I still need to find out about Graphite being conductive. 4 Tries with the ABS and Gf. Still no resistance. with a ratio of 1:1, 2:1 and just poured on the glass 3:1. Maybe graphite I'm using is not good Hmmm?
maybe you should be getting good conductivity at 10% by weight added
I just visited your store on the web. I feel like a kid in a candy store. LOL
Robert, is this perhaps something akin to the Baghdad battery?
The style reminds me if my GF's water digital clock... I wonder if it is similar
I wonder what the mechanism is and does a difference in rod mass between dipoles exaggerate or diminish ? Thanks for videos Rob.
watch the video where I talk about that mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering haha mate I did right after this one haha .. like you read my mind
I'm new to your channel very good stuff. Have you built any Myers or Boyce devices. I'm an engineer and have been playing for years.
yes mate I have years ago