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This also works if you follow water through the tubes, from one into another, but with a non-conductive section connecting the tubes end to end. This, put in parallel (picture war following through and around a bundle of straws) , with all tubes connected in series using appropriate wire, increases surface area contact and therefore voltage.
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After the rubber band battery, I was half expecting Lord Kelvin's Thunderstorm (really cool device). When you view batteries as devices as holding one form of energy and converting it to another, there are lots of batteries in life.
I would like to see the same. I was thinking about doing one. With plastic film to wick water back upwards like a blood test strip does. A wide panel of them so enough water mat reach the top. It would be perpetual energy and motion.
How about "magnetic" energy stored in magnets? Arranged / setup in such a way to harness it? Very popular "free energy" device 😂..... Im sure there's a way to do it, but no set recipe to follow, and MANY "fake" vids. Not to mention people dissapearing......
@@ronaldd2154 You could perhaps store energy in a magnetic field, like springloading something, but a magnet is like a mountain, it doesn't produce energy by itself. Things have to move up and down it to do any work.
@@stever197037 Wicking fluid upwards against gravity is capillary action. Look it up and see if you can create a perpetual motion machine of one kind or another out of it...
@@williamblair1123 a more efficient version of this As he said this is about experimentation and sharing ideas This is cool It's fun but as said not yet practical possibly will never be Yes I do on my channel Actually
You’re awesome! Thanks for bringing your curious explorations to the masses. 3:05 so perfectly captures what holds me to this channel; made me smile! Thanks mate, you’re changing my world.
I'm sure you thought of this, but you can increase the amount of surface electrons by increasing the surface area. In this case, using a spring (or coiled wire) with a coil diameter that is equal to the tube diameter, and a gauge diameter that is the same as the tube thickness (OD-ID)/2, would increase the surface area. I ran a quick algebraic comparison of surface areas in MATLAB and it's not very much (~5% increase), but you could probably vary the gauge diameter and coil diameter to get better results.
I did mate - but that doesn't matter - the posts here are read by folks and the info you posted is shared with the community and that is awesome - thanks for that
Try very thin strips/sheets rolled up together in a spiral roll with a neutral separator like paper towel or something. You'll get enormously higher output current!
Bravo Mr. Murray. You seem to be the incarnate of late Robert Murray of 1960s who developed Electricity to power a house straight from his briefcase size power plant weighing not more than DVD player. This stuff that you just showed is a million dollar project already. Great 👍 job Sir.
Absolutely brilliant experiment, love it. It could be used as a flow rate sensor maybe or a trickle charger, nav light generator for boats. I live on a cruiser so I'm going to make some of these.
I knew I would find a video of you trying this! :D I have been fiddling with the idea of producing current from the EZ zone of water, I'm glad I get to see a trusted source.
Ok, so... enclose the water container with a hydrophilic material, like dry rice, or a sponge, put a copper coil along the walls of the water container (the Exclusion Zone "EZ"), this is your negative connector, and a copper wire suspended into the center of the container (the Bulk Zone), this is your positive connector, the motion of electrons occurs because of the mysterious social relationship of the water molecule (the least comprehended of the known molecules in chemistry). This should produce amps without you having to add motion, the motion is passively attracted by the hydrophilic material surrounding the water container. Give it a try. :)
That's neat. I like the way you have the parts already assembled in stages ass you describe the build. More YTr's should do that. Keep doing what you're doing Robert :)
I was watching a few how to videos and I got bored watching them drill or saw something as I know how to do that - so I thought I would do the stages thing to stop my vids being boring to me lol
Very interesting! I used to visit Canterbury fairly often before the plague as I used to live around there. Of course the immediate thought was of a (model) boat with a small motor, and a sufficient number of streamlined blades towed through the water and see it it would carry on going. Thanks for showing us this Robert!
@Redrooster That all depends upon _where_ the energy is coming from. Hooking a cable up to the ionosphere (perhaps building a plasma cable with a giant Tesla coil in WardenClyffe) would give you 'free' energy, but that doesn't mean it comes from nowhere. Water is funny stuff and has a variety of properties that vary with contamination, have a look at this video: th-cam.com/video/YxerfsaEPYs/w-d-xo.html and see what you think. Sometimes boring stuff like water is ignored because we 'know all about it', until (for example) some bright spark has a closer look and discovered it's made of liquid crystals and surface tension can be used by more than pond skater insects. That's why it would be interesting to see a boat powered by it - to find out more about the unknown generation mechanism at work. It could even be a form of 'static' as electrons drift off and get recollected.
The blades would create drag. I think it would be better to coat one half of the underside of the boat with copper/brass and the other half with aluminum. With a small neutral strip in between them.
@@ThinkingandTinkering Genuinely thank you. I'm a 55 year old guy living as part of a typical nuclear family, and your videos have been my salvation during lockdown, you need your own tv show 👍
I noticed the same thing years back working with scariac's. I just used the mag stir bar. Plus, I thought I had same material for both electrodes. Stainless probably. My research papers in that stint were melted by a flood = gone. However, I do remember that my hypothesis is that the effect is due to the triboelectric effect/static. Was planning on using pipes to explore further. Consider a 2 legged experiment where one set was using PVC couplings(series) and one set using parallel paths with T-couplings. Conductive pipes with liquid running inside, separated by non-conductive couplings. That notion eludes to yet another hypothesis: There is likely a 'micro-organization' in the fluid which is short circuiting b/c we cannot make wires out of soup. Hence potential will not build b/c there is no separation to create the potential 'difference'
And this is why I'm subscribed, because this is brilliant. Looking forward to your replication of his radio running rig, with efficiency in modern electrics being what it is you might be able to run led lights in your home. Love the channel, never miss a video, making the otherwise exclusory jargon relatable to everyone is a gift you have Robert. Hey what happened with your chlorophyll battery stuff that you found more efficient than graphene?
Damn, i came for music this time amd you are so interesting i watched this first. Thanks, you are doing a wonderful work and it motivates me to continue learning and doing similar things as you do. Wish i had the opportunity to know you or even find you earlier on yt in my life but it's never late and i am gratefull for all the knowledge zou provide and that you show the world that sharing free is normal and humane.
Great vid again😁 just wondering if it works in a saline / salt water environment. We live on an Island with a tidal movement of 30-40 metres and tidal speeds in estuaries can reach 10 knots plus. We can use this lower easily 😁✌️❤️🤘
I really enjoy your videos, as covid has left me without employment I'm finding loads of different things to occupy my time with, and as a top licence holder for Ham Radio I do have a good little workshop and plenty of electrical supplies so my poor bank account doesn't get hurt too much! Keep up the good work sir, I look forward to the next video! Note, just wondering if one of these 'batteries' could be made on a larger scale and dropped into a river behind a moored float? that would be interesting.
It strikes me that the heating scenario means this is simply a thermocouple? It is well known that two dissimilar metals in electrical contact when heated generate a microcurrent. The flow option is by far more interesting for potential generation applications I think - it's a water wheel with no moving parts! Love your use of the nylon blocks, I use them constantly for my own tinkering. Great video, many thanks.
Excellent demonstration and very insightful. Does the distance between the brass and aluminum (delta) increase or decrease the overall output current? How about the length of the tubes? This has great “potential”!
Thank you for that demonstration .. I actually did something like that several years back but with plates of stainless .. package sat in the creek but I didn't have you to brighten my mind. :-)
@@ThinkingandTinkering I still own the property where the creek flows .. but I live 25 miles away .. so a little less convenient. I have ponds where I live now .. but thanks for the encouragement. I'll put it in my to do notes and see what develops. If I remember right .. I also took a car battery .. and opened it up on the sides .. so the water could flow through. It seemed to have generated some energy .. but I couldn't say how much at this time. :-)
@@ThinkingandTinkering Sincere respect, your channel has immense educational value. Nobody knows what electricity is, but you Mr. Murray-Smith might be one of few people alive who understand what it can do.
super cool..and I was just wondering about the chemical/physical reaction, very strange I had the feeling water is generating static electricity ! also what was your reading in the river it was hard to see? can't wait for follow ups!
@@ThinkingandTinkering Just built a pretty sophisticated plate version. It produces 5Ma, water velocity hasn't amounted to a relevant variable. Short circuit voltage is 0.137 volts. I really think I'm missing something here.
Wondering if the water was in a sealed chamber at (or close to) vacuum, might it require less heating up (since boiling point reduces along with lower pressure)? Also, when you mentioned the importance of flow directionality in the river it made me think of the ion wind effect.
This is great, it's a basic and eloquent example of anode/cathode reactions. Try experimenting with different surface areas, rod shapes and relative geometries, rod proximity, water ph, solutes in water, and different metals for the rods.
Everything said and shown was technically correct ... almost. I wish he had reported the results of the final battery; voltage and current. He showed a number but I couldn't tell if it was microamps or millivolts. I admit that battery will last a long time, but not forever.
So because you couldn’t see the number displayed, he wasn’t technically correct? Lol Are you the final arbiter of absolute truth and fact? Cause you sure talk like you are. Maybe you’re much more confident then you should be.
The scale was mA, so he was getting around 1 Amp! Which is impressive. However No Words in the voltage, not in the patent either? IT might be possible to connect these cells in series in the same body of water, if They are far enough apart, like a spiky cable, with electrodes Pairs sticking out every foot? The you just have ten feet of cable to lay in a stream for power in your camp!
Makes me wonder if something like that could be applied to moving air to produce a charge like electrostatic air filters that use a pollimer screen to ionize the passing air as it's fluid medium 👍 Strips of brass screen and aluminum screen at a slight angle on your device may improve ion charge transfer.
Put them in a solar furnace to enhance the effect and heat your home at the same time for bonus points maybe? Heat often amps up static buildup due to friction of the air molecules. Ideally, your screens would pick up and redirect all the ionization out the electrical cables before entering the home though. 😂🤣
Very interesting! How many amps and volts did they larger 8 block version make? It would be interesting to have a half or full sheet of polystyrene insulation as a flotation device in the river tethered to the edge with hundreds of rows of these the full width of the sheet to see how much power could be produced and does an increased flow generate more power.
@@ThinkingandTinkering so roughly 1.96x10 -⁰⁰⁷ volts seems rediculously small unless I'm just not doing the math right. Me and electricity math don't seem to get on well.
Thank you for sharing. I hope my husband will actually take the time to attempt this experiment. I sent him a copy of this video- hoping he will try it.
You are a busy man, things just keep on coming out of that active mind ! I was wondering ..would a more electrolitic medium , like salt water in tide flows produce more result ?... just a thought, great stuff, thumbs up!
Appreciate your home work and scientific research and evidence that it works... also your tutorial/ education. Definitely learn, Mr. Clark/clock on his findings. Happy belated 4th of July
Build your house on a pontoon with an array of these under the water. Also the pontoon with a layering system of piezo electric crystals in an array then the floor to cover the crystals, all is needed is the river motion and if you are walking on the floor for the compression to press on the crystals.Two energy generating systems. Also you could create a turbine system upstream combined with the whirlpool effect with mini magnetic pipe fans designed around the Tesla turbine, which seems to push water out of a pipe really fast. Additionally an array of these downstream from the aforementioned Tesla turbine which pushes a jet stream of water out to flow past these devices. Then you have solar array on your roof combined with a wind turbine, added to wind turbine Robert's earlier work with reverse magnetic speaker coils generating energy from the movement of wind on a vibrating reed. Also my favourite that is already produced is the Gravilights, they are on TH-cam, a wonderful lighting system.
You never showed the voltage? And if water flow is so important, what happens to the cell when you take it to the stream and change the orientation? I would appreciate a graph of angle vs. voltage and/or current to support the notion that flow direction is relevant. Also, with a current of 20 micro amps it would take many weeks if not years of operation to see any change to the electrodes. A calculation suggests that in some six YEARS of operation you would change the electrode mass by ... one gram.
3 parts seem to always be required for electricity. This and the paper method both has water as the main part. The sun for solar, motion for generators, the acid or whatever for batteries. Water for whatever this is lol i love it because it will change the books on what electricity is
Rob Sir, I would seriously love to try the same setup using copper and aluminium, both are good conductors they surely should produce some great results awesome video Rob Sir, Love and very warm regards from India 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Fantastic, Love it, where were you, Robert in my youth? But thanks for being able to do all your stuff with my grandchildren. Next best thing! Get them off their gaming addiction. Thanks again, love it.
One moment before you switched to the water scene I was about to preemptively post a comment asking about putting the device in moving water! I live on an offgrid property with an active, flowing creek.
Straight from the patent (emphasis mine): ". Both electrodes 8 and 10 are of the same size and shape, and are immersed to a depth of about inch in the water. Where electrode 8 was copper and electrode 10 carbon, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 17 microamperes. Where both electrodes were brass, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 25 microamperes. Where and electrode 10 brass, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 43 microamperes."
If the movement of the water is the operative element; "ditch the ditch", with Heron's Fountain: th-cam.com/video/WYnlbFd45V8/w-d-xo.html As with combining your Carbon-based Evaporative Charge Separation with Kelvin's Thunderstorm, there is a way to improve on the one side of the process, by adding the other side. Numerous configurations of Heron's Fountain (and Boyle's) are documented on TH-cam, with improvements that portend keeping them in an Open Cycle state; i.e. 'perpetual'. It certainly seems a natural fit, if what is really going on is charge exchange with the passing ions in solution. This could be tested with Deionized Water, as opposed to Tap Water (and further enhanced with electrolytes).
In response to David: You won't ever get anything "perpetual". Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Kelvin's water dropper uses gravity to separate charges in water. Heron's fountain uses gravity to build pressure to push water up. The closest you'll get is by converting matter into energy, but the government's of the world prefer that common citizens refrain from nuclear endeavors. Robert's use of "perpetual" is correct. The device will exist perpetually minus the natural decay of the materials but that will take a long time.
@@btryba Energy can be extracted from the ambient environment - including, in particular, the Quantum Vacuum - "perpetually", if one creates an Open System. Mating Kelvin's Water Dropper with the Evaporative Charge Separator which Rob previously demonstrated would represent a system in 'perpetual motion', with gravity and ambient heat (including solar) furnishing unlimited free energy inputs to the system.
I have noticed, while at the workshop you mentioned Brass is upstream and Aluminium is downstream. However, you switched it up when experimenting by the river. I don't think that matters much as the results is pretty small. Thank you for making videos on electricity, I have been fascinated with it since I was a kid.
Robert, I initially skipped your rubberband refirgeratior video because I have seen someone else do it. But... you added so much to that discussion that was not in the other videos... my mistake. Again, I was familiar with this topic, but but you made me think in a different way. That is the value you add. This is what I have grown to expect from you, and i do not expect that from many people.
You can search for patents online, Another good source, which is used by Rob a lot, is old research papers, there are lots of forgotten ideas and observations going right back to 1800's and beyond
We have a constantly flowing stream where we live but I have a very limited understanding of electricity so I guess I should start playing. Thanks for the inspiration.
It would be best to keep the metals as similar as possible, because every time you change the metal (aluminum to copper and brass to copper) you create a dielectric junction. Not much, but when you are after as much power from passive devices such as this you need AS LITTLE voltage drop as possible. Buss the bars with the same metals would be best. Awesome video Rob. Love your channel mate!
I am just amazed that this works. The bummer part is that you only get micro amount. Would be nice to see a 2.0 version make true volts. Good day and peace too Sir Robert . VF
Magnesium Joint Sachet The magnesium filings were saved. I placed them in a piece of paper towel. I laid a bare stranded copper wire in the filings. Then rolled the group like a joint. I then bent the metal joint in half and sealed it shut with a second piece of copper. I completed the magnesium sachet by twisting both wires together. I then tested the magnesium sachet with carbon in a tap water bath. The amps came in at 1.3 milliamperes. Again, the shaving have points and powered metal has alot of surface area by mass. This was a very small amount. This is the technique of modern battery manufacturing. It works well.
Continuing on this Perpetual Battery theme Mr Murray-smith, I came across an M.I.T. publication of Dec 2018 where Professor Thomas Cooper from the University of York had built a high temperature solar collector that produced up to 146 C of steam. It could be used for sterilising medical utensils, desalination of water, and I wonder if it could be used to produce hot water to power your Perpetual Battery. I would be interested in your opinion. The M.I.T. research was supported by the MIT Abdul Latif Jameel Water and Food Systems Lab.
Robert, we had a similar device for detecting water flow in certain vehicle that I may or may not have worked on. Our was also a level sensor and had some internal electronics.
@@ThinkingandTinkering it was a hybrid bus. We needed a level sensor that didn't depend on floats and switches. A guy came up to us with a prototype, we liked it and started using it in all our production buses. Suddenly the guy passed away and there was no one to make them anymore. He had not patented this. It worked on a single probe and I think it was brass. The second probe ofcourse was actually the engine which was aluminum.
Great stuff. My thinking is put it in the water outflow from a water powered generator such a turbine or water wheel to increase efficency from waste water. Perhaps to power the control and communication system?
What a great idea to mine expired patents for ideas and concepts...many times the urgency to file outruns any contemporary practical need or doesn't anticipate other complementary breakthroughs that might make something even more viable.
This is really an interesting fenomenon, even the "basic" non heated one (eccept for the ambient heat) generates a current, it's fascinating, I love your videos
That is amazing. Just a thought. It could be attached to the rear of a boat, probably a motorboat, with the aluminum facing toward the front of the boat. if it was large enough you could run electric equipment on board your boat. Great video, and great invention. 👍👍👍🎸🎸🎸👌
Obtaining 4-5 Full Milliamperes with Magnesium, Carbon and water. Two rods place in tap water. Before immersion the magnesium rod, take a hack saw blade or file and texture the length of the rod with deep triangular ridges. Electrons love pointed edges to gather and launch from on metals. The surface area is also increased which also is a natural boost to amperage.
I think you should set it up with the tubes lined up like battery plates and re-test it. So the tubes are lines up where the water flows across them -> -> - + - + - + - + -> -> and see what that does.
Very interesting ,thanks for sharing ,i wonder if you put this in an air tight container and added co2 if the bubbles would move the water enough to create a voltage.
This also works if you follow water through the tubes, from one into another, but with a non-conductive section connecting the tubes end to end. This, put in parallel (picture war following through and around a bundle of straws) , with all tubes connected in series using appropriate wire, increases surface area contact and therefore voltage.
that's interesting mate - cheers
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Sincere condolences for such a huge loss.
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Pls contact an old follower
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Mr Smith, just joined.... Your info is a actual life saver Sir... I am a disabled person and verteran of the USA(PLEASE don't hold that against my person) and on Social Security and due to mistakes made by said well paid US government employees i have no income for almost a year.... And I am going to use this info to build a small power generation system to fund a battery bank that i will offer others a charge for donations so I am no longere dependant on my evil government... To teach a man like me "to fish," means I am most grateful as to the possibility and meeting my needs...
I look forward to contributions i hope will aid the group.. As it has aided my person.. Thank you all.
After the rubber band battery, I was half expecting Lord Kelvin's Thunderstorm (really cool device). When you view batteries as devices as holding one form of energy and converting it to another, there are lots of batteries in life.
I would like to see the same. I was thinking about doing one. With plastic film to wick water back upwards like a blood test strip does. A wide panel of them so enough water mat reach the top. It would be perpetual energy and motion.
yep - lots of sources of energy if we look
How about "magnetic" energy stored in magnets? Arranged / setup in such a way to harness it? Very popular "free energy" device 😂..... Im sure there's a way to do it, but no set recipe to follow, and MANY "fake" vids. Not to mention people dissapearing......
@@ronaldd2154 You could perhaps store energy in a magnetic field, like springloading something, but a magnet is like a mountain, it doesn't produce energy by itself. Things have to move up and down it to do any work.
@@stever197037 Wicking fluid upwards against gravity is capillary action. Look it up and see if you can create a perpetual motion machine of one kind or another out of it...
Love it Mr Smith. Genius insightful educational practical applied science. You’re the man thank you for producing such consistently awesome content
Well this isnt practical but it sure as hell is awesome
Hopefully a better design will pop up
cheers mate and thanks for taking the time to say so
@@preppertechnicianee6013 What would you consider a practical invention? Do you have anything to share?
@@williamblair1123 a more efficient version of this
As he said this is about experimentation and sharing ideas
This is cool
It's fun but as said not yet practical possibly will never be
Yes I do on my channel
Actually
@@preppertechnicianee6013 Would you send me your link, thanks.
So glad I found your channel! Love geeking out on your really cool stuff
So glad I found your channel. What a treat!
You’re awesome! Thanks for bringing your curious explorations to the masses. 3:05 so perfectly captures what holds me to this channel; made me smile! Thanks mate, you’re changing my world.
Awesome, thank you mate for taking the time to say so
I'm sure you thought of this, but you can increase the amount of surface electrons by increasing the surface area. In this case, using a spring (or coiled wire) with a coil diameter that is equal to the tube diameter, and a gauge diameter that is the same as the tube thickness (OD-ID)/2, would increase the surface area. I ran a quick algebraic comparison of surface areas in MATLAB and it's not very much (~5% increase), but you could probably vary the gauge diameter and coil diameter to get better results.
I did mate - but that doesn't matter - the posts here are read by folks and the info you posted is shared with the community and that is awesome - thanks for that
@@ThinkingandTinkering you did think of it or you did try it?
Try very thin strips/sheets rolled up together in a spiral roll with a neutral separator like paper towel or something.
You'll get enormously higher output current!
Thank you Robert!
Bravo Mr. Murray. You seem to be the incarnate of late Robert Murray of 1960s who developed Electricity to power a house straight from his briefcase size power plant weighing not more than DVD player. This stuff that you just showed is a million dollar project already. Great 👍 job Sir.
cheers mate
Absolutely brilliant experiment, love it. It could be used as a flow rate sensor maybe or a trickle charger, nav light generator for boats. I live on a cruiser so I'm going to make some of these.
I knew I would find a video of you trying this! :D
I have been fiddling with the idea of producing current from the EZ zone of water, I'm glad I get to see a trusted source.
Ok, so... enclose the water container with a hydrophilic material, like dry rice, or a sponge, put a copper coil along the walls of the water container (the Exclusion Zone "EZ"), this is your negative connector, and a copper wire suspended into the center of the container (the Bulk Zone), this is your positive connector, the motion of electrons occurs because of the mysterious social relationship of the water molecule (the least comprehended of the known molecules in chemistry).
This should produce amps without you having to add motion, the motion is passively attracted by the hydrophilic material surrounding the water container.
Give it a try. :)
@@matsveritas2055 Glad to see someone making the connection to Gerald Pollack's work here. Have you seen any other notable apparatuses since then?
Great video as usual, thank you so much for what you do.
your channel never ceases to amaze! thanks so much for doing what you're doing
Glad you enjoy it!
That's neat. I like the way you have the parts already assembled in stages ass you describe the build. More YTr's should do that. Keep doing what you're doing Robert :)
I was watching a few how to videos and I got bored watching them drill or saw something as I know how to do that - so I thought I would do the stages thing to stop my vids being boring to me lol
Very interesting! I used to visit Canterbury fairly often before the plague as I used to live around there.
Of course the immediate thought was of a (model) boat with a small motor, and a sufficient number of streamlined blades towed through the water and see it it would carry on going. Thanks for showing us this Robert!
Thanks for sharing mate - noice one
@Redrooster That all depends upon _where_ the energy is coming from. Hooking a cable up to the ionosphere (perhaps building a plasma cable with a giant Tesla coil in WardenClyffe) would give you 'free' energy, but that doesn't mean it comes from nowhere.
Water is funny stuff and has a variety of properties that vary with contamination, have a look at this video:
th-cam.com/video/YxerfsaEPYs/w-d-xo.html
and see what you think. Sometimes boring stuff like water is ignored because we 'know all about it', until (for example) some bright spark has a closer look and discovered it's made of liquid crystals and surface tension can be used by more than pond skater insects.
That's why it would be interesting to see a boat powered by it - to find out more about the unknown generation mechanism at work. It could even be a form of 'static' as electrons drift off and get recollected.
The blades would create drag.
I think it would be better to coat one half of the underside of the boat with copper/brass and the other half with aluminum. With a small neutral strip in between them.
That was amazing, really glad I've found you, my love of all things scientific is impressed by you every time, thank you so much
Wow, thank you!
@@ThinkingandTinkering Genuinely thank you. I'm a 55 year old guy living as part of a typical nuclear family, and your videos have been my salvation during lockdown, you need your own tv show 👍
Thank you Robert
I noticed the same thing years back working with scariac's. I just used the mag stir bar. Plus, I thought I had same material for both electrodes. Stainless probably. My research papers in that stint were melted by a flood = gone. However, I do remember that my hypothesis is that the effect is due to the triboelectric effect/static. Was planning on using pipes to explore further. Consider a 2 legged experiment where one set was using PVC couplings(series) and one set using parallel paths with T-couplings. Conductive pipes with liquid running inside, separated by non-conductive couplings. That notion eludes to yet another hypothesis: There is likely a 'micro-organization' in the fluid which is short circuiting b/c we cannot make wires out of soup. Hence potential will not build b/c there is no separation to create the potential 'difference'
I think you are son the right lines there mate
And this is why I'm subscribed, because this is brilliant.
Looking forward to your replication of his radio running rig, with efficiency in modern electrics being what it is you might be able to run led lights in your home.
Love the channel, never miss a video, making the otherwise exclusory jargon relatable to everyone is a gift you have Robert. Hey what happened with your chlorophyll battery stuff that you found more efficient than graphene?
cheers mate
love it
Damn, i came for music this time amd you are so interesting i watched this first. Thanks, you are doing a wonderful work and it motivates me to continue learning and doing similar things as you do. Wish i had the opportunity to know you or even find you earlier on yt in my life but it's never late and i am gratefull for all the knowledge zou provide and that you show the world that sharing free is normal and humane.
Great, as usual. Thanks again Robert.
cheers mate
I like watching his videos because knowledge is imparted while surrounded by grimy tools and instruments. It is awesome. :D
lol - I work at it mate not just think about it - cheers
@@ThinkingandTinkering I'm not complaining. :) Keep doing what you do!
@@ThinkingandTinkering
Thanks Robert
Lovely, thanks for doing the leg work. I am wondering what happens in sea water?
Let the motion of the ocean do the work.
Absolutely amazing!! Thx for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Brilliant! Glad I was recommended this channel
glad you liked it mate - cheers
Great vid again😁 just wondering if it works in a saline / salt water environment. We live on an Island with a tidal movement of 30-40 metres and tidal speeds in estuaries can reach 10 knots plus. We can use this lower easily 😁✌️❤️🤘
I really enjoy your videos, as covid has left me without employment I'm finding loads of different things to occupy my time with, and as a top licence holder for Ham Radio I do have a good little workshop and plenty of electrical supplies so my poor bank account doesn't get hurt too much! Keep up the good work sir, I look forward to the next video!
Note, just wondering if one of these 'batteries' could be made on a larger scale and dropped into a river behind a moored float? that would be interesting.
it would be mate have a read at the patent - that should help answer your question and maybe give a bit of direction
It strikes me that the heating scenario means this is simply a thermocouple? It is well known that two dissimilar metals in electrical contact when heated generate a microcurrent. The flow option is by far more interesting for potential generation applications I think - it's a water wheel with no moving parts! Love your use of the nylon blocks, I use them constantly for my own tinkering. Great video, many thanks.
I'll be watching you more and yes I do enjoy. Thank you
Excellent demonstration and very insightful. Does the distance between the brass and aluminum (delta) increase or decrease the overall output current? How about the length of the tubes? This has great “potential”!
My mind goes crazy with possibilities after watching Robert's vids then I remember I'm not super brainy like Robert
bravo.
always stimulating !
Thank you for that demonstration .. I actually did something like that several years back but with plates of stainless .. package sat in the creek but I didn't have you to brighten my mind. :-)
you should revisit that mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering I still own the property where the creek flows .. but I live 25 miles away .. so a little less convenient. I have ponds where I live now .. but thanks for the encouragement. I'll put it in my to do notes and see what develops. If I remember right .. I also took a car battery .. and opened it up on the sides .. so the water could flow through. It seemed to have generated some energy .. but I couldn't say how much at this time. :-)
My favorite alchemist channel :)
lol - awesome mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering Sincere respect, your channel has immense educational value. Nobody knows what electricity is, but you Mr. Murray-Smith might be one of few people alive who understand what it can do.
super cool..and I was just wondering about the chemical/physical reaction, very strange I had the feeling water is generating static electricity ! also what was your reading in the river it was hard to see? can't wait for follow ups!
Thank's again for the Education, Robert.
I am glad you found it interesting mate
quite 'Electrifying ' Thank you for sharing 🙂
Cool, I would love to see the plate version,
Would be interesting to see what you could produce with a large surface area
Try open-cell aluminium foam and copper foam with the copper foam having been soaked in molten zinc to infuse the surface and convert it to brass.
give it a go mate
Yes give it a gaggle. Battery
Love your down to nature analog s
And love your laugh out load. Get er it. Done
As you do
@@ThinkingandTinkering Just built a pretty sophisticated plate version. It produces 5Ma, water velocity hasn't amounted to a relevant variable. Short circuit voltage is 0.137 volts. I really think I'm missing something here.
Wondering if the water was in a sealed chamber at (or close to) vacuum, might it require less heating up (since boiling point reduces along with lower pressure)? Also, when you mentioned the importance of flow directionality in the river it made me think of the ion wind effect.
nice thought mate
Hello sir! You are the a huge instant inspiration.
This is great, it's a basic and eloquent example of anode/cathode reactions.
Try experimenting with different surface areas, rod shapes and relative geometries, rod proximity, water ph, solutes in water, and different metals for the rods.
watch the other videos mate
Everything said and shown was technically correct ... almost.
I wish he had reported the results of the final battery; voltage and current. He showed a number but I couldn't tell if it was microamps or millivolts.
I admit that battery will last a long time, but not forever.
So because you couldn’t see the number displayed, he wasn’t technically correct? Lol
Are you the final arbiter of absolute truth and fact? Cause you sure talk like you are.
Maybe you’re much more confident then you should be.
The scale was mA, so he was getting around 1 Amp! Which is impressive. However No Words in the voltage, not in the patent either? IT might be possible to connect these cells in series in the same body of water, if They are far enough apart, like a spiky cable, with electrodes Pairs sticking out every foot? The you just have ten feet of cable to lay in a stream for power in your camp!
@@Tore_Lund No. The scale was *micro* amps so he was getting only around 1mA current.
Makes me wonder if something like that could be applied to moving air to produce a charge like electrostatic air filters that use a pollimer screen to ionize the passing air as it's fluid medium 👍 Strips of brass screen and aluminum screen at a slight angle on your device may improve ion charge transfer.
Put them in a solar furnace to enhance the effect and heat your home at the same time for bonus points maybe? Heat often amps up static buildup due to friction of the air molecules. Ideally, your screens would pick up and redirect all the ionization out the electrical cables before entering the home though. 😂🤣
I like the kind of work you do. I have a lot of ideas in this category
thank you for sharing the knowledge brother
This is really awesome....wondering if the effect can be observed with a different fluid.....oh, I don't know...maybe, AIR?
See umass amherst protein nanowire battery
have a read at the patent mate - that should help answer your question
I think it needs to be a conductive fluid.
Very interesting! How many amps and volts did they larger 8 block version make? It would be interesting to have a half or full sheet of polystyrene insulation as a flotation device in the river tethered to the edge with hundreds of rows of these the full width of the sheet to see how much power could be produced and does an increased flow generate more power.
I milliamp, 5.1 kOhm - V=IR will give volts mate
That's what I was thinking...
@@ThinkingandTinkering so roughly 1.96x10 -⁰⁰⁷ volts seems rediculously small unless I'm just not doing the math right.
Me and electricity math don't seem to get on well.
Thank you for sharing. I hope my husband will actually take the time to attempt this experiment. I sent him a copy of this video- hoping he will try it.
always makes me smile and think about what if. my favorite!
You are a busy man, things just keep on coming out of that active mind ! I was wondering ..would a more electrolitic medium , like salt water in tide flows produce more result ?... just a thought, great stuff, thumbs up!
have a read at the patent mate - that should help answer your question
The patent mentions lord Kelvin using that.
To cool, how do you do it every day?
Thanks for the video
I sleep only 3-4 hours lol
@@ThinkingandTinkering and you're not tired 😮? I thought we needed 7-8hrs to properly "recharge our batteries" lol
Appreciate your home work and scientific research and evidence that it works... also your tutorial/ education. Definitely learn, Mr. Clark/clock on his findings. Happy belated 4th of July
and to you - cheers
That was very interesting and worth a closer look...Great job on the confirmation.
Glad you enjoyed it
Kinda makes one want build one's house beside a river!
lol - yep
Van down by the river! Skip the house ! :-)
Build your house on a pontoon with an array of these under the water. Also the pontoon with a layering system of piezo electric crystals in an array then the floor to cover the crystals, all is needed is the river motion and if you are walking on the floor for the compression to press on the crystals.Two energy generating systems. Also you could create a turbine system upstream combined with the whirlpool effect with mini magnetic pipe fans designed around the Tesla turbine, which seems to push water out of a pipe really fast. Additionally an array of these downstream from the aforementioned Tesla turbine which pushes a jet stream of water out to flow past these devices. Then you have solar array on your roof combined with a wind turbine, added to wind turbine Robert's earlier work with reverse magnetic speaker coils generating energy from the movement of wind on a vibrating reed. Also my favourite that is already produced is the Gravilights, they are on TH-cam, a wonderful lighting system.
@@remoconan8720 what you got there is hair raising house boat! Won't need to comb your hair in the morning! It will otomaticaly stand!
@@remoconan8720 Great ideas! I suspect, however, that piezos will break all the time, breaking the circuit. You'd need bypass diodes, I guess.
You never showed the voltage? And if water flow is so important, what happens to the cell when you take it to the stream and change the orientation? I would appreciate a graph of angle vs. voltage and/or current to support the notion that flow direction is relevant.
Also, with a current of 20 micro amps it would take many weeks if not years of operation to see any change to the electrodes.
A calculation suggests that in some six YEARS of operation you would change the electrode mass by ... one gram.
3 parts seem to always be required for electricity. This and the paper method both has water as the main part. The sun for solar, motion for generators, the acid or whatever for batteries. Water for whatever this is lol i love it because it will change the books on what electricity is
Innovative educative practical applied science, you are great
Rob Sir, I would seriously love to try the same setup using copper and aluminium, both are good conductors they surely should produce some great results awesome video Rob Sir, Love and very warm regards from India 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻
What would happen if you connected those "cells" in series instead of parallel?
that was series.
@@TheBaconWizard look again
@@klincecum Beg pardon, quite correct..
Fantastic, Love it, where were you, Robert in my youth? But thanks for being able to do all your stuff with my grandchildren. Next best thing! Get them off their gaming addiction. Thanks again, love it.
for sure mate cheers
One moment before you switched to the water scene I was about to preemptively post a comment asking about putting the device in moving water!
I live on an offgrid property with an active, flowing creek.
Earlier Coment was Aluminium was down stream
have a read at the patent mate - that should help
As far as I can tell it shouldn't make any difference.
Straight from the patent (emphasis mine):
".
Both electrodes 8 and 10 are of the same size and shape, and are immersed to a depth of about inch in the water.
Where electrode 8 was copper and electrode 10 carbon, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 17 microamperes.
Where both electrodes were brass, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 25 microamperes.
Where and electrode 10 brass, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 43 microamperes."
If the movement of the water is the operative element; "ditch the ditch", with Heron's Fountain: th-cam.com/video/WYnlbFd45V8/w-d-xo.html As with combining your Carbon-based Evaporative Charge Separation with Kelvin's Thunderstorm, there is a way to improve on the one side of the process, by adding the other side. Numerous configurations of Heron's Fountain (and Boyle's) are documented on TH-cam, with improvements that portend keeping them in an Open Cycle state; i.e. 'perpetual'. It certainly seems a natural fit, if what is really going on is charge exchange with the passing ions in solution. This could be tested with Deionized Water, as opposed to Tap Water (and further enhanced with electrolytes).
nice ideas mate - thanks for sharing
In response to David: You won't ever get anything "perpetual". Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Kelvin's water dropper uses gravity to separate charges in water. Heron's fountain uses gravity to build pressure to push water up. The closest you'll get is by converting matter into energy, but the government's of the world prefer that common citizens refrain from nuclear endeavors. Robert's use of "perpetual" is correct. The device will exist perpetually minus the natural decay of the materials but that will take a long time.
@@btryba Energy can be extracted from the ambient environment - including, in particular, the Quantum Vacuum - "perpetually", if one creates an Open System. Mating Kelvin's Water Dropper with the Evaporative Charge Separator which Rob previously demonstrated would represent a system in 'perpetual motion', with gravity and ambient heat (including solar) furnishing unlimited free energy inputs to the system.
I have noticed, while at the workshop you mentioned Brass is upstream and Aluminium is downstream. However, you switched it up when experimenting by the river. I don't think that matters much as the results is pretty small. Thank you for making videos on electricity, I have been fascinated with it since I was a kid.
Robert, I initially skipped your rubberband refirgeratior video because I have seen someone else do it. But... you added so much to that discussion that was not in the other videos... my mistake.
Again, I was familiar with this topic, but but you made me think in a different way.
That is the value you add.
This is what I have grown to expect from you, and i do not expect that from many people.
I understand that mate and appreciate it too - thanks for taking the time to say so
You have a book or something with all this research ?
Definitely should
You can search for patents online,
Another good source, which is used by Rob a lot, is old research papers, there are lots of forgotten ideas and observations going right back to 1800's and beyond
Robert uses scholar.google.com/
@@sofa-lofa4241 cool good pointers thanks.
I put it all on youtube mate - it's the resource of the 21st century
Well, time to treat the materials to increase the surface area - and boom
for sure mate - and - have a read at the patent - that should help and give a bit of direction
Thank You!!!! You Rock.....I’ll take Free Energy Sources any way I can!
lol awesome
We have a constantly flowing stream where we live but I have a very limited understanding of electricity so I guess I should start playing. Thanks for the inspiration.
You should mate - for sure
Really fascinating application for harvesting energy Rob, thank you for this. So that's earth, wind and water power generation covered 😉
still got the sea mate lol
@@ThinkingandTinkering I thought you'd covered that with the magnesium salt battery? 😉
@@leoeuden7559 well sort of I suppose lol
Fire was the stirling motor.
This is absolutely brilliant.
cheers mate
This is just great... Thanks!
Do you think it would work in an Archimedes screw? Can the aluminum coating of the CDs be used as negative?
Robert I hope you are live and kicking bcuz your amazing.
Thank you :)
It would be best to keep the metals as similar as possible, because every time you change the metal (aluminum to copper and brass to copper) you create a dielectric junction. Not much, but when you are after as much power from passive devices such as this you need AS LITTLE voltage drop as possible. Buss the bars with the same metals would be best. Awesome video Rob. Love your channel mate!
I am just amazed that this works. The bummer part is that you only get micro amount. Would be nice to see a 2.0 version make true volts. Good day and peace too Sir Robert . VF
you should read the patent mate
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Magnesium Joint Sachet
The magnesium filings were saved. I placed them in a piece of paper towel. I laid a bare stranded copper wire in the filings. Then rolled the group like a joint. I then bent the metal joint in half and sealed it shut with a second piece of copper. I completed the magnesium sachet by twisting both wires together. I then tested the magnesium sachet with carbon in a tap water bath. The amps came in at 1.3 milliamperes. Again, the shaving have points and powered metal has alot of surface area by mass. This was a very small amount. This is the technique of modern battery manufacturing. It works well.
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Thank you for this great video:)
Continuing on this Perpetual Battery theme Mr Murray-smith, I came across an M.I.T. publication of Dec 2018 where Professor Thomas Cooper from the University of York had built a high temperature solar collector that produced up to 146 C of steam. It could be used for sterilising medical utensils, desalination of water, and I wonder if it could be used to produce hot water to power your Perpetual Battery. I would be interested in your opinion. The M.I.T. research was supported by the MIT Abdul Latif Jameel Water and Food Systems Lab.
Wonder why this is not used in many applications. Almost every household has water pipes and hot water tank. Great video TnT
Robert, we had a similar device for detecting water flow in certain vehicle that I may or may not have worked on. Our was also a level sensor and had some internal electronics.
interesting mate - what was the vehicle ?
@@ThinkingandTinkering it was a hybrid bus. We needed a level sensor that didn't depend on floats and switches. A guy came up to us with a prototype, we liked it and started using it in all our production buses. Suddenly the guy passed away and there was no one to make them anymore. He had not patented this. It worked on a single probe and I think it was brass. The second probe ofcourse was actually the engine which was aluminum.
Great stuff. My thinking is put it in the water outflow from a water powered generator such a turbine or water wheel to increase efficency from waste water. Perhaps to power the control and communication system?
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
What a great idea to mine expired patents for ideas and concepts...many times the urgency to file outruns any contemporary practical need or doesn't anticipate other complementary breakthroughs that might make something even more viable.
Just love it!
Thank's for sharing mate. That was pretty cool :)
Glad you enjoyed it
This is really an interesting fenomenon, even the "basic" non heated one (eccept for the ambient heat) generates a current, it's fascinating, I love your videos
cheers mate
Love this viid - keep listening over & over, esp after downloading the 14153757 pdf :-)
Er, 4153…
Would pencil lead work as the anode?
(Alex, experiment & let us know ;-)
Jawdropping experiment. Super interesting. Thanks mate. You never stop to amaze me. :)
Glad you enjoyed it mate - cheers
That is amazing. Just a thought. It could be attached to the rear of a boat, probably a motorboat, with the aluminum facing toward the front of the boat. if it was large enough you could run electric equipment on board your boat. Great video, and great invention. 👍👍👍🎸🎸🎸👌
On a house boat fine, but for a sailing/motor boat the drag would be a problem I think!
Obtaining 4-5 Full Milliamperes with Magnesium, Carbon and water. Two rods place in tap water. Before immersion the magnesium rod, take a hack saw blade or file and texture the length of the rod with deep triangular ridges. Electrons love pointed edges to gather and launch from on metals. The surface area is also increased which also is a natural boost to amperage.
i like how you build and test ideas most others just postulate
Very neat keep it up. 👍
I think you should set it up with the tubes lined up like battery plates and re-test it. So the tubes are lines up where the water flows across them
-> -> - + - + - + - + -> -> and see what that does.
Very interesting ,thanks for sharing ,i wonder if you put this in an air tight container and added co2 if the bubbles would move the water enough to create a voltage.
Dew it and post a video mate. - Palpatine