The Beta Hyrule in Zelda The Wind Waker | Cut Content
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- The biggest mystery in Wind Waker is Hyrule and how restricted it was. However there is sufficent evidence to show that it may have been explorable. Today we try to solve this long running mystery.
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The three shiny Doritos that Ganondorf wants is something.
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That beta concept for going between Hyrule and the Great Sea may have been inspiration for traveling between land and sky in Skyward Sword.
The thing with the fisherman also reminds me of using Ascend in TotK to go back to the surface.
@@GerardMenvussa yo truuuueee!
It's pretty much a 1:1 concept; an ocean (of clouds) with small islands dotted around with some inhabitance, and sections of Hyrule below you get to explore. I'm pretty sure it was said before by some zelda dev that a lot of concepts from prior games they didn't use would be recycled into newer titles, so this completely checks out.
And I bet the kind of separated Hyrule we got in Skyward Sword would have been exactly how they did it for Wind Waker had they gone that way. Maybe the temples would have been a set piece for the region, but the entrances would have been above the water...or maybe everything would be done sub-surface like the subsequent title. Maybe even people living under the water still; lost souls perhaps??
I'm speculating like crazy, but it's just that interesting to think about.
@@Tazamo I kinda wish N10doe would just redo Wind Waker the way it should of been.
@@Subject_Keter is it really that hard to spell nintendo?
5:30 is literally the path to the Sacred Grove in Twilight Princess. Same scale of the trees, same kind of platforms, same aesthetic of roots on cliffs, etc. Nice.
Hilariously I thought I was looking at TP art for a while there before I realized this was TWW art lol but yeah I wouldn't be surprised if this was repurposed for Twilight Princess
I think aonuma even mentioned that they used many unused ideas for windwaker in other zelda games.
@@TheObsessiveGamer the creature by the fire looks like the skull kid to me. That would also explain the sacred grove being there.
Was about to comment this too! I immediately saw it in my head
I like how wind waker made Hyrule but it's sad to know we could a gotten so much more and even explore the damn place
Yeah honestly. Could have easily become the best Zelda game yet if they were given the time they needed to make it
bro ganon’s tower being in a desert makes a lot of sense since he originated from The gerudo, a tribe dwelling in the deserts
I don't deny that and desert makes sense. Problem is that it is too big for how close it is to the castle in the final game, which might have tried to make it look more a part of the mountain
Awesome video, man! The underwater Hyrule has always been so damn fascinating to me, it makes me wish Windwaker would get a remake so they could add more of underwater Hyrule. Maybe using those concept arts you mentioned.
Really great video! You've been putting out some bangers recently. I agree with everything you said here and have some additional thoughts surfacing!
4:45 the castle with the moon, look at the sky. It's drawn with wavy lines running all across it behind the moon indicating to me that it is in fact underwater and the moon is shining through. It'd be closer to the surface being that high on a cliff allowing the moon to be seen. The presense of the full moon and ghostly flames lining the stairs makes me believe this location might've acted like the ghost ship but down in hyrule.
4:55 the (what I assume is a) wandering trader is wearing a similar hat and bag to the gorons in the final. My theory is that Stovepipe Island was the original home of the gorons considering the hot springs iconography and doodle on the page. When both concepts were scrapped they were combined and repurposed.
The gerudo desert is so interesting to me because it implies desert enemies, the only of which we have is a boss and his minions. I wonder if the small moldugas have any sort of left over AI for spawning or acting independently of the boss to indicate they'd appear on their own? The desert was definitely meant to be traversable and seemingly the lead up to the final dungeon so I could see the molduga boss battle originally taking place here too. I always thought it felt off in the original dungeon.
Also it's just crazy to me they were actually planning a whole Hyrule. I bet you're right and the original plan was: first 3 dungeons would be the sages, 4th was tower of gods to unlock Hyrule, then 5-7 would be the sages temples and 8 would be Ganon's Tower in the desert. You'd go collect the sage, bring them to the warp at tower of gods down to Hyrule and travel across Hyrule with them, using their powers, to their temple. Clear the temple, exit at surface entrance ready to get next sage.
I can't wait until early versions of Wind Waker leak one day with some remnants of this development period left!
I don't think there are any early versions with the cut content aside from maybe some early models and unused objects. The vast majority of it just seems like theories and ideas that never really made it past the planning stages. The desert stands out as having actually made it somewhere into actual development but even that was likely scrapped before they even had any playable builds considering there's absolutely zero collision and the environment isn't even connected.
Thank you! Been trying really hard this year. To answer each point:
4:45 Yeah it's why I added that note since it looked like waves there. Moon probably wouldn't look sooo dramatic in the final game I think but it's probably stll peak through in a way like the sun does
4:55 Doesn't really look Goron too much. Ears and nose a bit too point for me but the theory on Stovepipe Island (which I covered in my last video) is something I believe.
I can imagine the Gerudo Desert could have still held the Gerudo themselves. Being that they allied with Ganon, they too ended up punished to live in underwater Hyrule. But the Molduga boss fight here would be hella fitting. Maybe an evolution of that fight even with a sort of "Molduking" like in Breath of hte Wild
Yeah it would be very fitting of normal Zelda tradition too of the second "world" you go too to hold the other set of dungeons, so this could have been the case
Here's hoping we see those one day!
@thekabuto90 They have confirmed 2 dungeons at the least were moved to other games, so they indeed did make more than what we got in the final game, but nevered showed the public. Meaning they should still exist in some form there.
@@TheObsessiveGamer I can tell you've put in more effort. Some of your older videos I was never that big into because I felt like you were just covering the basics you'd find on TCRF where recently you've been digging into everything a lot more and I love it. I really enjoyed your Sonic Adventure video as well, it was one of the first games I looked for cut content in back in the day. Looking forward to part 2! And if we could get an OOT giga leak I'm holding out for a Wind Waker :)
If that vast desert was going to be traversable, there would have to be a horse or vehicle used to traverse such a vast landscape.
I’d propose having the Gerudo Desert be traversable by boat just like how Link does on the surface. The lore explanation would be that the desert sands have become a viscous quicksand (either through the flood or “evil Ganondorf magic”) which makes travel by foot impossible, but is sailable by boat using the winds.
Still, there would HAVE to be something else to find and do out in the desert other than go straight to Ganondorf’s tower. And if there aren’t any little islands, caves, treasures, etc. to find out there, then the desert itself becomes a gigantic waste of time.
I propose the king of red lions being able to take over a horse statue "king of red epona's" lmao
so like the sand sea from skyward sword, but without the time travel?
Wild Arms 3 had a sand sea. The world in that series is dying and the oceans have become vast quicksand wastelands you need special ships to travel.
I guess depends on how empty the desert would be. If empty, I can see them doing either a Sand Sea kinda theme of turning sand to water like Skyward Sword and sail to it instead, or maybe go the BOTW Sand Surfing route.
Alternatively if it wasn't gonna be so empty and many some civilization like the Gerudos were there that you could go to as a stopgap, then I can see them having Link go on foot. This being my theory in that they likely would have added more to it than just be absolutely empty.
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I don't know how no one mentioned this but this roughly became the way to the Sacred Grove in Twilight Princess
And while not 1:1 the same, the Desert and Hyrule map have a slightly similar layout.
So the Hyrule Layout might have been copied and changed for the Desert map.
tbh when looking at it I actually forgot it was even Wind Waker art and thought I was looking at Twilight Princess there haha. I wouldn't be surprised if that design found its way into Twilight Princess.
If I were rich, I'd pay Nintendo just to make an extended Wind Waker version with all the dismissed ideas.
Hell, we been trying to get them to do that with Ocarina of Time with Ura Zelda, u see how that turned out.....
If they rebuilt the game from the ground up, we could definitely get the full idea today.
Honestly this is a game that deserves a remake so much more than Ocarina of Time would imo
Imagine being able to explore an ruined Hyrule, still Wind Waker is fantastic
Honestly, revisiting areas from another game in another context (and exactly as it was) isn't nearly done enough.
We had to wait til BOTW and it's sequel to see the idea full scale.
Is shame we can’t explore Hyrule in the final game
There is a decompilation of the wind waker in progress, just think about it for a moment, once ocarina of time was decompiled it didnt take long before modders started crafting their own zelda games out of it, project indigo comes to mind, think of how astronomically different it is from original ocarina of time, we could get modders to add this stuff in. In fact with wind waker being as beloved as it is it wouldnt surprise me if someone remade wind waker and incorporated the scrapped concepts in there, such as jabun's dungeon. Adding water boots back to the game, the fishing pole system etc.
@@wishingstar8701is that true? That really does sound cool buy won’t it take years for such a process?
A decompilation of Wind Waker sounds perfect! It definitely needs more of a modding scene overall, so hopefully this is the pus hit needs to make such things possible
I feel this is the one Zelda game that truly deserves a remake to become what the devs truly wanted it to become
@@welltaco1833 Yes it's true. Twilight princess is also being decompiled, it was at about at 42.. 45% last i checked, considering nintendo shows no interest in classic Zelda anymore ill wait however long i need to play a good Classic formula 3D Zelda title, i think such a project is well worth the wait.
Imagine if they made a Wind Waker remake for the switch, but they were given, like, 5 years to make it and added all of the scrapped dungeons and ideas that were removed due to time restraints!
That would be amazing
Three shiny Daritos is amazing
Ganon has his delicious priorities :P
As we know WW was rushed in the develop that’s why ichthusk was destroyed and jaboon hided in prologia and that’s why they made the tremendous triforce searching quest at the end of the game. I think that this is also the reason why they skipped the path through the dessert to Ganons tower. They likely hadn’t enough time to finish so they just cut the way at the cave entrance. But I’m not sure if they wanted to make a whole Hyrule under the sea that you could travel.
The series did always have something of a recurring affinity for duality in map structure, going back to stuff like the light/dark world from ALTTP, the time travel mechanics in OOT, or Labrynna and Holodrum. Plans existing for a more fully featured Hyrule would be intuitive!
6:23 I never knew the final battle took place there. Thanks for all this insight!
Wind Waker is so good despite being rushed that it makes me think that the world couldn't handle a fully-realized WW
So stoked for this!
Me too
Hope you all enjoyed it! :)
I wouldn't mind if Nintendo remade half the old games in the BotW engine just so we could get an idea of the games' original scope...
Oh I loved the idea of being able to go between. I kept try to see you could explore….sadly no.
Not even Hyrule castle itself is fully explorable as it has unused stairs on both sides
The forest artwork looks almost exactly like the area in Twilight princess just outside of the forest temple.
So it did get used there
Yeah I imagine it did. I mean did think this was TP art for a while as I looked at it lol
As for why the castle seems to be in a wrong location, I recall hearing at one point that the people of Hyrule relocated it from its original position. Since this takes place in the timeline where Ganondorf takes over Hyrule and demolishes the castle to replace it with his own, this makes sense. They probably put it in Lake Hylia, which is why it's floating above a lake there, and it would line up with Ocarina of Time's map (since the Gerudo Desert is right next to Lake Hylia).
But that's a theory and I don't even know if it really was relocated. The Zelda Wiki doesn't mention it, and I don't think anyone in the game does either. It's the most reasonable explanation though.
Anyway, I'm honestly glad they cut out making Hyrule explorable. Wind Waker is all about moving on from the past, and just doing what Ocarina of Time already did years prior feels lame. Especially since sailing your boat is the best part of the game, so why cut that out in favor of just... walking around?
Also, the tree section at 5:30 was probably turned into the Forest Temple from Twilight Princess. It also takes place in a forest with MASSIVE trees, which you even need to jump on as Wolf Link at certain points. Just like Link in the image :)
yeah I agree that people likely relocated since there was no water whatsoever around Hyrule Castle in OOT. Lake Hylia would make the most sense. tbh explorable Hyrule being removed I don't think was the team wanting to move on from the past since the gmae still heavily seems to rely on OOT nostalgia haha (with TP going even harder), but in the context you mention, yeah it can work as a message.
as for 5:30...hilarious thing is that for a while I kept skipping that picutre cause I thought I was looking at Twilight Princess art with how similar it looked haha. Likely was repurposed for it
5:55 THese Trees looks a lot like the ones in Twilight Princess, when you can fly with the gold chicken
My son is playing this on GameCube right now. His friends are jealous, AF always wanting to come over n play the game. Best game ever I say.
This makes sense. Windwaker always felt like half a game to me and the whole tingle map quest thing at the end felt like a tacked on replacement for whatever was actually supposed to be there. It always felt like there was supposed to be more dungeons and stuff to explore in general. I remember getting to that point in the game and I was like alright cool, triforce pieces now, there's going to be a bunch of dungeons and stuff...but no...
Maybe the tingle triforce piece hunt thing was originally planned to be dungeons in lower hyrule?
That would make sense that the Triforce Pieces were kept in special places in the lower world after the Triforce of Courage split (I mean, this is exactly what Zelda did with her Triforce of Wisdom in Zelda 1.)
I feel like the giant trees concept art was used shortly after in Twilight Princess. Just look at the first dungeon, and the path to the master sword
Having an entire underwater map to fit the whole "islands are just the top of mountains" theme of this game could have been cool but it makes sense it was removed.
Actually if you take the camera around the paths that are in the grass area you can find the original dungeon entrances to the two dungeons you go through from the great sea area
I always thought not having more of Hyrule to explore was a missed opportunity. And considering the dungeons/islands that got cut due to time constraints, I always wonder what Wind Waker COULD have looked like. Then again, I'm sure there were probably some level of tech limitations. Still a great game!
Having great sea size hyrule explorable would have been interesting
Honestly. Truly would be a lengthy game
5:54 personally this reminds me of the route you take to the sacred grove in twilight princess the part with the spinning bridge
Yeah! I do think it got repurposed for that
I love the design for castle in WW
Hyrule Castle truly looks beautiful in this game
I know they said they already re-used certain elements of Wind Waker in later games, but I'd still like to see a full remake as originally intended regardless.
Maybe one day when WW romhacking pops off.
Yeah we know 2 dungeons were at least repurpsoed but wouldn't be surprised if more go repurposed like those cut trees in Twilight Princess
Oh they gotta do this in a future Zelda game!
this isn't related, but i came across some older sm64 collision code in the gigaleak. the main differences is that it causes more invisible walls and lags more
I always thought some things were missing in WW. With how belowed the game is, I'm surprised there isn't a remake where the scrapped ideas are included. At least some of them came to life in later Zelda games
dunno, still think there's no geographical issue with a desert being so near the lush hyrule field. the Gerudo desert could be caught in a rainshadow, preventing most or all rain from actually reaching it, leading to its desertification.
There is no problem indeed, it's more the distance of the tower that is a problem here. It's wayyyy too close to Hyrule compared to how big the desert is. It should be either out of view completely due to the mountains or if the mountains wouldn't block the path, it would be much tinier
Someone is rebuilding hyrule in hyrule unflooded
its a 3D art project inspired by WW and not strictly the exact same thing
It is an art project in the idea that it really is up to interpretation since we have no idea what they were planning for a lower Hyrule to look at scale
The idea of going from the Great Sea to Hyrule would have been so cool. I feel like Skyward Sword took that idea in a sense from going from the Sky to the Earth.
Now imagine if Wind Waker actually implemented the idea and it had the same scale as Tears of the Kingdom from Hyrule to the Depths. It would have been insane.
Also, Shiny Doritos is now my favorite nickname for the Triforce. Lol
I almost feel TOTK would be almost what they wanted but couldn't do back then and Skyward Sword was the closest they got to getting to that idea of approaching Hyrule below. Really shows how far ahead the team really wanted to go with their ambitions.
Also Ganondorf is a hungry man clearly :P
How did you see the collision data?
I think the campfire concept art looks more like skull kid than a bokoblin
I love wind waker HD
Truly the best way to play it imo
I’ll be surprised if there is more cut content for this game. And many more in the future 😅
There is lol I got 2 more videos planned actually....and rather heft ones at that
@@TheObsessiveGamer cool also hope you try out the remake of Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door the art gallery is going to be new lost media we can physically get in our hands 🙌
I have a theory and maybe before entering the tower of ganon we were going to fight a boss in the desert like molgera and we would have a different boss in the wind temple more related to its theme
It would be very fitting. Kinda like how we would fight the big Octoroks in the Great Sea
My belief is that lower hyrule was discovered by caves like those other 2 that were supposed to take you to hyrule. My guess is at some point they they scrapped traversing lower hyrule and chopped together what we have today. Leaving very hidden remnants of this. The desert cave proves something of that however we will never know and even if we were to find out, what are we actually going to do with that knowledge?
>what are we actually going to do with that knowledge
Go ham on making more videos going "ooh and ah" and theorizing on it like I did with the Gigaleak for OOT and MM rofl
@@TheObsessiveGamer things that make you go hmmm
When the game is fully decompiled i hope someone takes the time to mod the desert in
Someone's already redoing the entirety of hyrule.
@@RGBHD404 im aware but hes only modeling it not adding it to the game
I wish we could been able to explore Hyrule
likewise! Hopefully people one day can mod that in
Man now I wanna replay wind waker but I got way to many games I need to finish 😂
THE HOOKS!??? THE HOOKS!!
5:27 The tree roots beneath the Forest Haven? agnuswulf Mentioned this looks like Twilight Princess's Sacred Grove... maybe it would've been the original location for the Master Sword as well?
The places where the fisherman was supposed to be can be found in game. They got redressed as pirate outposts.
This would make alot of sense actually. I should look at them further
I still can’t believe it’s been 12 years since I played and beat wind waker how the heck has it been that long 😱😳
I think wind Waker 2
is underwater sequel
I feel like this video has been done many, many times before
awesome video
Heh, shiny Doritos.
most GameCube games arnt finished and FEEL more like a complete game than most today. imagine if there was no deadline
Honestly. Course having the talents at Nintendo EAD making Sunshine and this really does make these shine despite the tight deadlines
I love everything in wind waker but you can easily see all the places where they cut out content. It’s the most unfinished feeling Zelda game.
So whats the point?
It was done simply as a backdrop
Day = Made
Me = Glad :)
Ok now show us sigma Hyrule
I could believe them cheating the angle on Ganon's tower and skipping a walk through the tunnels on the simple grounds that the game was rushed. A fact that's more apparent during the later parts of the game.
😲 - Woah!
heh
Nice Shesez shoutout. I feel like the old video game exploration channels don't get enough credit these days.
thats not a bokoblin, thats a witch. think syrup from alttp
Well I did say "or some other creature" lol the red makes it look Bokoblinish but a witch works too.
You where supposed to be able to dive. And use fish hooks to go up.
Diving by the games lore wouldn't be so possible since there is wayyy too much to cross (and a barrier) to get into Hyrule minus the entrance at The Tower of the Gods
How about Wind Waker Unflooded
a 3D art project inspired by WW. it isn't 1:1 what Hyrule would look like. just an interpretation that takes massive liberties.
Wind Waker Unflooded looks amazing! But yeah it isn't 1:1 or rather it's really up to interpretation since we don't actually know what Hyrule would look in proper scale for Wind Waker. I know the maker of that has said he's taken a lot of inspriations from BOTW to do this
Plz give me more Metroid
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Thanks!
Could have been cool not gonna lie
Truly would have
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