@@rheokalyke367unless you’re a male. They’re a female society of WARRIORS if i remember correctly. So any males that try and join are probably not going to be in functional order for much longer. H**ny jokes aside, they didnt react well to Link’s trespassing in BotW, and i dont think they react well to male interlopers in various other games. Its safe to say male presence is not needed or wanted in their society. So “joining the Gerudo” is effectively a very selective solution. Sure you could probably barter or something with them. But i highly doubt their tolerance for anyone who isn’t biologically female or possibly an extremely difficult to pinpoint gender is going to last particularly long.
Especially since theyre standing in small tilled patches. Id imagine the old scientist or the fisherman grow things there to supplement fish and whatever else they might trade for with Zoras
Plus how do you spur your horse to go faster? You feed them a carrot! I think Hyrule denizens just have social hangups with displaying vegetables in the open 😂
I think it's the "in-game" thing. Like, the crops exist in lore, but they are not present as something visible in the game. So if we treat this thought exercise as literally being sucked into the game as is, we can't obtain any, because they are not there.
For the Triforce bit, that's essentially what happens in Wind Waker- there is no Legendary Hero to reincarnate, so the Triforce of Courage just splits up and has to be found again. It's definitely a thing to think on.
2:06 I half expected "Before we take a single step, we'll find ourself trapped by an owl who won't stop talking, and we'll slowly waste away and perish, imprisoned by his endless monologue."
That one pretty much forces you to go on the main quest yourself, huh? Unless you want to live for only three days or go completely bonkers just resetting the world every three days.
From a nutrition perspective: Yes you can survive without vegetables if you have access to meat and fish, ideally red meat and especially organ meats (Vitamin C is a bit dicey but you can get enough to *survive* from red meats), depending on quality and quantity you may suffer some minor nutritional deficiencies but it will not kill you. But it's worth noting that there probably are foods available in-universe, we don't see wheat farms and the like because they're likely boring and off-screen, but they likely exist. The food stalls can be assumed to be the stalls with large npc crowds in castle town (bread or fish perhaps?) and fish are plentiful. The large grass plants may also be edible, deku nuts are probably edible, as are deku seeds and magic beans. Potions may have excellent nutritional value as well since they restore your health, and I can't speak for recovery hearts but they may also grant nutrition. Skulltulas and other monsters may also be edible but that's purely speculative (but if them burning up into nothing on death is taken as a fact of the universe instead of a gameplay optimisation... well they're definitely not edible). I'd say that you can actually manage pretty well with just *confirmed* food sources (fish, cows, cuccos, nuts, and seeds, apparently the eyeball frog is a delicacy so we'll add frog meat to the equation as well) let alone the large clam enemies, deku skrubs, various potentially edible plants, potions, etc.
This may be conjecture, but that "grass" you can cut looks like a hosta plant. Of which, you can eat and _preserve_ the shoots no problem, as they are actually in the Asparagaceae family. Yes, it is what you're thinking. The hosta garden in your grandmother's back yard has a genetic tie to asparagus. Hosta shoots are high vitamin C, so if that grass is actually hosta, you're golden on that front.
All Zelda games take place in the same world. BOTW/TOTK flesh out (heh) the setting quite a bit. There is PLENTY to eat throughout Hyrule. And you can harvest freely without paying taxes. 💕
I like how you showed 5/5 for traversability at the end while showing us a mechanism for travel that would almost certainly rip our arms out of our sockets.
There are very few places both in fiction and in the real world where a cripple could survive on his own. Being "differently abled" would just mean "dying" in almost every situation.
@@gurriato Well, if you saw how DnD is today it is something similar, to be more inclusive, people with disabilities they have access to a magical combat chair that can fly and allows them to be super agile, plus it never breaks and things like that. It doesn't make any sense, anyone who has healthy feet should also use it if it's so good. In worlds of fantasy and fiction where magic exists, those types of disabilities don't make sense.
@@gurriato Damn if only there was some way for multiple organisms to work together so that one can cover the weaknesses of another... Unless something else kills you first disability is something that inevitably happens as one gets old and I don't know of any civilisation ever that didn't at least try to take care of its elderly.
Kakariko may SEEM comfy at a glance, but remember it's flanked by an active volcano on one side, a graveyard with actual ghosts on another side, is home to not one but two buried torture sites housing the vengeful undead, and also features a house full of cursed spider people. Plus the neighbors play their music really loud all night and you'd never get any sleep. The real chad move is to live at Lon Lon Ranch and work as a ranch hand. Comfy horseback riding, an endless supply of milk and dairy products, a jolly old man who entertains you with chicken hide-and-seek and is more than happy to marry off his incredibly beautiful songstress daughter to you, and the worst thing that happens there throughout the course of the game is a hostile buyout by the local Ganondorf fan.
I was also thinking about Lon Lon Ranch. Being a ranch hand would probably earn us rupees. I'm sure Talon (the owner of the ranch and father of Malon) would appreciate the help. You could live a pretty cozy/peaceful life being a cowboy/rancher and riding on horse back into town to deliver the lon lon milk.
Hell, even the hostile buyout is only a temporary issue. Even in a worst case where it gets so bad you have to leave, once Link changes things there you'll soon be seeing Malon selling Lon Lon Milk again where you learn the ranch is better. And given Malon and talon are nice people they'd no doubt happily accept you back.
Some things I found noteworthy: * Unless they saw you emerge from Link's House, the Kokiri probably wouldn't care about an adult being there, people visit Kokiri all the time, that's why there's a shop. They would, however, expect you to be only visiting. * The Deku Tree would absolutely hear you out, but he would absolutely not allow you to stay. Without the protection of a Fairy, you'd get lost in the mist and become a Stalfos. He'd probably give you some advice on where you could go at least. * The cows eat hay, so we can assume that NPCs need to eat, we just never see it on screen. * Do not eat Deku Nuts, those are not vegetables, they explode with a blinding light when hit hard enough. * How to get a place? Simple: Impa's house in Kakariko is open to the public, so people are just allowed to stay there if they don't have a home anywhere else. Alternatively, if you're okay with listening to people scream about how bad being cursed sucks, you could always crash in the House of Skulltula. * Possibly a continuation of the Cows eating Hay thing; In order for the hypothetical to make sense, we have to assume that the world becomes real (IE NPCs become people) or else no events happen and no one but us ages. In games like this, Time moves with the protagonists footsteps, so if we treat the NPCs as NPCs during the Hypothetical, Ganon becomes a non-threat, as does the pressure he's put on the various leaders of the land, as no future events will happen unless we walk into the exact correct place.
I had many of the same thoughts! We aren't just entering a sterile, digital world. We are entering a fantasy world where people act like people. LET THEM EAT CAKE! (Or whatever food NPC's like)
You could also say that you're Link's cousin from his mother's sister's cousin's side of the family. technically it's not against canon or lying at all.
I always thought of the Kokiri Shop as just being kids playing store and getting really intense about it, not that they were expecting other races to come through town and buy from them.
Indigenous people in Northern Canada were able to survive without greens due to animal organs providing pretty much all you need to survive. Also you forgot spiders/bugs, those are also perfectly good food sources. And there are magic beans in game which you could substitute meat for probably. Triforce of courage would go towards Mido. He protected his village and was essentially their leader.
Imagine Young Link showing up in our modern world though. A like 12 year old appearing on someone's couch in a green tunic, people would assume he's some kind of dedicated child cosplayer, child services would try to find out who his parents are, he'd have a severe lack of understanding of our societal norms and technologies, and would probably live a fairly deprived life even after CPS finds him a foster home. Forget our survivability in Hyrule - what is Young Link's survivability in *our* world?
Right omg can you imagine his confusion? At least we know about his world, but a 12 year old randomly getting isekaied into a life without any prior knowledge? Considering I live alone, where would he even begin? I’d be fine, hyrule would be better, I’m worried about link
Regarding ganon, remember that there is a canon solution to this problem: Warn zelda. Link does this after the events of the game when he goes back in time. We know the events of the game, so we could do the same.
That's a good point, I didn't consider that. I guess there's a possibility that she might think you're crazy, but if she's willing to listen to Link, then she might listen to you. I'd still keep the rating somewhat low, because this is GANONDORF. He could definitely figure something out before he's put in prison/executed.
If Ganondorf sees a REAL LIFE HUMAN BEING running around, he's absolutely going to plan around that. But being the isekai protagonist in this scenario, who's Zelda going to believe, you, or the guy she literally FEELS the ill intent radiating off of? It's really your word against his, and he is pretty decently high up the social ladder by the time you seen him through that window.
Link has the Triforce of Courage though. That's why people knew he was the Hero of Time and believed him even though he was a kid. I don't think they would believe us though.
I think with the danger factor there's a couple of things to consider: 1) Only the hero of time is able to pull the sacred blade, and that's ultimately what causes the sacred realm to open. Without it, we have to question if even with the medallions, Ganondorf would be able to get to the sacred realm 2) Assuming we have foreknowledge about what happens in the game, we can just do what happens at the end of the game. We can warn Zelda and the king of Hyrule of what's to come before Ganondorf comes to power and he'd be executed
The Master Sword cannot be wielded by an evil hand, so Ganondorf certainly could not draw it. Could he force someone else to draw it in his place? Possibly, unless the blade can sense duress and wouldn't budge.
So I'm a little hazy on the details because the zelda canon is complicated and I don't keep up, Ocarina of time splits into 3 time lines which all lead to different games. The adult timeline, the child timeline, and the downfall timeline. At the end of the game, Zelda apologizes to link for depriving him of a childhood, and sends him back in time to live out his childhood. This split the timeline in 2, an adult timeline, and a child timeline. but Nintendo confirmed a THIRD timeline known as the downfall timeline where Link does NOT succeed in his quest. In this timeline, Ganon wages war on the kingdom of hyrule and this leads to the Gerudo wars. I think at the end of all of this Ganon succeeds in conquering hyrule and the Goddesses flood all of hyrule in a form of damage control leading to windwaker, but honestly I'm not too sure. So yeah, the danger would still be there even if link never pulls the sword. EDIT: Oh no wait I remember. Child timeline is where the goddesses flood hyrule, and it's because Link never pulled the sword in that timeline. So we'd probably end up in that route.
All I'm saying is, all Ganondorf needed to not become evil were some good backshots. He'd realize there's no need to try and conquer Hyrule when heaven is already within reach.
I feel like in fighting Ganon, you have a massive advantage, and that is foresight. Presumably for most people who watched this video, you're an adult, or at least not 12. Thus, it'll be easier for you to have influence in the world. Thus here is my game plan - Realize I've been transported into Ocarina of Time. Ask the kokiri to let me visit the great deku tree, and explain the situation. Try my best to convince them to let me have some supplies, then set out for the rest of Hyrule. At this point, I'm probably dressed like a kokiri, but to some extent, I look a bit more "normal." I travel to castle town, and simply tell everyone that I'm a traveler from a far off land. At that point, I begin to work to support myself, and while I do so, build relationships in the community, and keep tabs on Ganon. Because I know who Ganon is and what he's doing, I can build trust until I can warn the king and other groups in Hyrule. Heck, you could go as far as gathering other concerned citizens, and running espionage in Gerudo Valley, trying to thwart their plans. The difficulty without Link is that the way I see it, there's a strong likelihood that you are going to get involved in a much more traditional and brutal war. Fun! But seriously, Ganondorf is going to take this world by force, it's not as easy for him, you know what he wants to do, and he knows you can somehow anticipate his choices. War I'd say, is inevitable. There is, like you mentioned, the prospect of being deemed the new hero of time. If you take Link's place at the start, you might get pulled into helping the great deku tree, and thus getting the kokiri emerald - not a great start to make yourself less conspicuous to the whims of fate. Further, if you take an active role in stopping Ganondorf, which you should, because you have knowledge others don't, that will further spotlight you as someone uniquely suited to have the triforce of courage. It would be quite dangerous, but with potions, fairies, possibly even the master sword, and your unique ability to problem solve outside the original bounds of the game, I think defeating Ganondorf is very doable, especially if you are an experienced player of the game, and know a bunch of tricks to use.
It's a good idea, though in the event you are the new Hero of Time you have to consider you are considerably less durable than any other inhabitant of Hyrule. Unlike Link, your body is more prone to bruises, cuts, maybe fractures, is likely less acrobatic, and has stamina issues like BOTW Link. This will go into wondering how do the magical items in the game affect you, like do Heart Containers make you more durable to stabs, or is it you can just like "bleed out" longer but still experience the pain of a sword stabbing you and staying there 😅. If it's the latter, you're basically just a OHKO to most enemies, not even talking Ganondorf. The best bet likely is to try and become the royal tactician like older Fire Emblem games, honing your intelligence on how to position troops so that you can still contribute to Ganondorf's defeat.
Remember we're dealing with the physical capabilities of a human, so there's a pretty decent chance you just die in the deku tree from gohma, or maybe just from falling after failing to climb massive walls of vines
"Ganon sir, some random blunt-eared stranger is telling you are evil." "Lol, just kick him out and ban him from entry. Or maybe I'll send one of my minions or magic after him."
@@OverbiteGamesI feel like it's fair to assume that a fairy or potion would heal you to some extent, as that's how they operate in world. We also have an advantage over Link, that we can obtain armor, and you'd probably want to spam protective magic.
For specifically vitamin C, you could make a tea with pine needles. There may be other edible plants that we don't think of as food as well, for example in our world dandelions can be eaten.
Who knows, peahat roots might be delicious roasted like artichoke hearts. Usually any plant that defends itself with big thorns (yet alone freaking out like a giant flying beyblade) have something delicious.
Would not recommend that to any women looking to become mothers though. Pine needle tea from a lot of species of pine will terminate gestation. In a side note I hate how we have to find creative ways around controversial terms here.
Organ meats have more than ample amounts of vitamin C. And all non-organ meats have it as well, just not as much as fruit does. But it may not be necessary as high-meat diets do not seem to require as much of it to stave off scurvy.
The old man at the laboratory mentions how eyeball frog eyes are a delicacy he enjoys and how if it wasnt needed for medicine, that night’s dinner would be special because of it. The gorons also are in a predicament due to their food source being closed off, granted they eat rocks but I think the idea remains that NPCs do eat even if we dont see them do so. Theres also fish that are widely available in many bodies of water so it wouldnt strictly be red meat, and Id imagine cucco eggs and milk/other dairy products would be available since we get both eggs (to be hatched, not eaten) and milk in the game.
A lot of games have an entire separate artstyle for their overworld long-distance travel map entirely to help ease the Scale Theory's potential for killing immersion.
Hahaha I've been reading interviews for Final Fantasy VII's final episode in the remake trilogy, and it seems like that's troubling them. It was a lot easier to render the world in a simple scale for an airship that you're able to fly around the world it. The team says they're struggling on how to implement that in a game that doesn't have that abstracted world map. Super curious to see how they handle it.
@@PretzelYTI feel like a game where this could get really messy is Red Dead Redemption 2. A lot of people have mentioned it - it's a very realistic world. It's literally trying to recreate real world 1899. The question is however, are you trapped literally in the actual map, or do you have access to the real life places mentioned like New York (or Tahiti 🙃). If we act like it's just the real world... then basically all you've done is time traveled, and you can live a somewhat decent life. Stuck in the in game map though... and eventually even the expansive world of red dead 2 is going to wear on you after years of living there.
Listening to you talk through these questions makes me feel like a kid again.... which is pretty damn magical. It's nice to remember when the most important questions and priorities were those you made yourself.
Don't get too attached to your 'cabin in the woods' fantasy. Any adult that wanders into the Lost Woods becomes a Stalfos. Happened to white-eyed bald dude, happened to Link, *will* happen to you...provided you aren't a child.
If you know the plot of the game before entering, Ganondorf becomes a non issue. When Link goes back in time at the end of the game, he just snitches on Ganon to Zelda and tells her what he's gonna do. According to lore, he's then caught and executed as seen in twilight princess. Yeah he comes back but you'd be dead by then.
If there is no hero of the prophecy, then there is no evil overlord of the prophecy, I believe. They are the two different faces of the same coin and princess Zelda is the slice.
@@IrvineTheHunter but after link returns from the future, zelda and link presumably have triforce markings on their hand, which would give them more credibility (i think). At least that seems to be the reason why ganondorf has the triforce of power in TP, despite being caught before he follows link into the temple of time. Maybe a isekai protagonist could convince the king using lore knowledge or something. Like, most hylians dont know, that hylians came from skyloft originally, or that ganondorf is the reincarnation of demise, or that zelda is a reincarnation of the goddess hylia.
Don't think you'd have to worry about the Triforce, actually. Ganondorf only got his hands on it because Link opened the Temple of Time and drew the Master Sword from its pedestal, thus giving Ganondorf access to the Sacred Realm. So unless someone else is able to find and gather the three sacred stones, get the Ocarina of Time, and learn the Song of Time, AND draw the Master Sword, Ganondorf isn't getting the Triforce. He's still a threat, sure, but not nearly on the level he is in the game.
If we assume time actually passes with no one doing anything he absolutely realizes his goals I think, he gets the stones by killing the great deku tree like he does in the game, starving the gorons to death and causing panic in the zoras by killing jabu jabu with his parasite, he can totally get his hands on the ocarina of time too he also almost did it in the game, and learning the song is just a matter of bribing or blackmailing the right important people When it comes to the master sword, if oot ganondorf is comparable in power to totk ganondorf he could totally just destroy the master sword and break the seal like that
@@videogamesarecool9280Yeah, he's fighting to get the triforce because he wants that ultimate power, but in the end, he will still try to overthrow the kingdom anyway.
Should mention that in the OoT manga, link actually eats Bread mentioning it tastes better than the fruits of the forest. So Behind the scenes there would be fruits and grains (and presumably other stuff like corn) so I think you are good.
Bro I need SO MUCH MORE of this series. You got me to subscribe in one single video, that has NEVER happened and I've had this TH-cam account long enough that Google didn't own TH-cam when I started. At least a decade.
I feel like the removal of Link from that universe would either break the curse entirely, meaning Ganondorf would never be stopped, or it'd reincarnate a new Link. Two Links can exist at the same time, that's canon. It doesn't require the first one's soul or anything.
@@Yamartim One of the topdown games has an old man who was the previous Link, and there was a scrapped game about an old librarian who takes in the next Link as his apprentice. Seems to me like it's every
@@BacxaberCould you clarify about the game with ‘the previous Link?’ All I could think of before you said it was a top-down game was that you meant the Hero’s Shade in TP. I’m not aware of any canon game that includes multiple concurrently living incarnations of Hyrule’s Link.
In the child timeline, after Link gets sent back to the past by Zelda, he reveals the truth about Ganondorf preventing him from being able to take over until Twilight Princess. By that logic, if YOU were sucked into the game world, you would be able to do the same thing as Link. Once you know that Ganondorf is evil, you can tell everybody and prevent him from taking over.
I actually wouldn’t worry about Gannon, because I’d just do what Link did in an alternate timeline and make sure Gannon was executed before anything bad could happen.
Just get your hands on an Ocarina. Maybe not ALL of the magic songs will work, and maybe the Great Fairies won't give you spells even if you do play Zelda's Lullaby, but it's entirely possible to get the Sun Song with the Fairy Ocarina before you get the OoT, and it works just the same. That implies that the magic is in the songs themselves as opposed to the instrument. Mind you, half of those songs wouldn't be useful to a normal person. (Warp into an active volcano? No thanks.) But teleporting between Lake Hylia and the two major Hylian settlements is unquestionably handy.
Great video as always! Regarding the issue of money: Getting rupees from cutting grass isn't just something meta. There's a canon reason for why they keep appearing: the Minish keep replenishing them, so it would be perfectly viable to get wealthy by doing that.
My head canon for a more realistic rupee is that they're a variety of a sort of quartz. Finding them naturally, they're just rare enough to be worth something, but perhaps in more organized periods of Hyrule's history, they are actually cut and maybe engraved with a royal seal or something, to prevent the currency from inflating.
@@WasatchWind they are valuable because they are literally magical, the different colors are literally the green ones magically combined into the new color
I'd think the Kokiri would most likely assume that a random human showing up is probably fine because what are they gonna do- leave? Clearly they were supposed to end up here, that's why they're not a Stalfos, silly! It's the Deku Tree you'd need to worry about, but tbh, he'd probably meet you with curiosity more than anything else as long as you're honest and peaceful. Might still make you leave but if he does, you'll probably just be led out to the forest entrance and set free. At worst, they just force you out into the woods. As for Ganondorf, you could speak with the Deku Tree and tell him you have knowledge of events that he too is privy to (such as his curse). With that, you might have some realistic chance of warning the king of Ganondorf's betrayal. A human that entered the Kokiri village unharmed without a fairy AND came back out unharmed? That sounds pretty serious, he might actually give you consideration Effectively this is what Zelda does after sending Link away anyway, she just warns the king successfully in her childhood. Then you'd be set until he breaks free like a century later. Could argue it's too meta but I think simply warning others should count as a realistic and therefore viable option since we're assuming NPCs still have jobs and renewable resources and the like.
Warning others is a lot easier cause most viewers here are older than 12 I'd wager, and that is a big point in your favor. Knowing what Ganondorf is planning beforehand, even if the king doesn't listen, is going to help you a lot. Something like wait for Ganondorf to ride out of castle town after Zelda, and have a magical trap laid for him. Incapacitate him, and bring him to the castle as prisoner while trying to negotiate with the Gerudo for an end to hostility. The difficult thing I keep running into is that while you have a good chance of stopping Ganondorf from successfully getting the three stones, you opposing him, lengthening his timeline to victory, and generally making his life more difficult has a good chance of starting a real traditional war.
"The worse case is that they force you into the woods" THATS A DEATH SENTENCE! We presumably aren't given a fairy(though link isn't kokiri and he gets one so you might be given one if you get the triforce of courage), so we turn into a stalfos if we get lost in the lost woods. Though, the Kokiri probably wouldnt kill us, so we would be fine
in the absence of a living hero, the triforce of courage shatters into 8 peices. Two games in the series have the plot of a yougn link gathering 8 peices from a shattered triforce, and the reason its shattered in wind waker is because adult link left that timeline, and no longer existed in that world, so it shattered.
Maybe you can do what Link does in the child timeline and snitch on Ganondorf by letting the King know that he killed the Deku Tree, put a parasite into Jabu Jabu, and is starving the Gorons. The only problem would be getting the King's attention and willingness to hear you out. If he listens, then Ganondorf is caught, executed, and Hyrule is safe far longer than a long human lifespan. This would probably lead to a similar world to the Child Timeline, except the Hero of Twilight wouldn't exist, which kind of screws over the events of Twilight Princess. Also, Termina would be destroyed unfortunately.
One thing about Ganondorf is you also need the Ocarina of Time and to play the Song of Time to get to the Triforce. If Zelda/The Royal Family keeps the Ocarina of Time safe, or even destroy it out of desperation, Ganondorf's plans are screwed.
That and at least for 50% of the population (like me), you could just join the Gerudo and then be set into safety. Ganondorf wins? The group you joined gets to have a pretty good time. Ganondorf never gets the triforce? Hey, he made an alliance with the king of Hyrule so things are going to look pretty good too!
@@rheokalyke367 I don't think Gerudo let outsiders join, woman or not. Link was just a formality, even. Besides, that also means you'd live in the desert, which is way worse off.
There are definitely vegetables in Hyrule. Even beyond the magic beans and Deku nuts, when you ride on a horse you can feed it carrots, so those are definitely available.
honestly I like to imagine that the really fast day night cycle in oot tries to make you imagine how far apart the settlements really are despite actual gameplay scale, like I could imagine it taking at least a day's worth of a trek to get from the forest to castle town, sounds reasonable to me.
Something else worth mentioning is that there are a lot of giant awful monsters that Link normally takes care of, but what happens if he's gone? What does Ghoma, and more importantly, her giant clutch of eggs and offspring do after the deku tree dies? What does King Dodongo do after the gorons all starve? Does he stay in the mountain or cause havoc in kakariko? Does the water situation change when Jabu Jabu turns into Jabu Jabus giant parasite riddled corpse? And that's just the first three bosses.
I love how cozy these videos are. Being able to explore these games' worlds in a new light just fills me with nostalgia. I'd love to see stuff like this done with more Zelda games, especially with like Twilight Princess.
Well the Hylians look fairly human, and in other parts of the Zelda universe, the humans have rounded ears. You could easily get away with saying you're from Labrynna or something. This of course begs the rules of this experiment, of if upon entering Ocarina of Time, a more real expanded universe comes into existence.
@@Sauraen I feel like given the scenario of "can you survive" it implies that the world becomes more real. People are flesh and blood, they eat things - if you need to eat so should they. I feel like it should operate this way unless you're in a game that makes big departures from reality.
It's important to note that when the Triforce splits, the pieces don't go toward whoever already possesses their qualities, but whoever desires each quality the most. Link being absent from the world and no longer seeking to prove his courage since he's watching TH-cam on your couch means he's disqualified now. Since you want to survive in Hyrule above all else, it's only fair that you get the Triforce of Courage.
We do actually have a pretty neat measure of how big the "real" Hyrule would be, the sun. Link is literally running from dawn til dusk in game in-game and while that is not possible irl it feels fairly safe to assume that in he's at least in a brisk pace for most of the day. We see that the time it takes to get from Kokiri Forest to Castle Town is juuuuust about a full day of ingame time in a reasonably straight line. A person traveling at a fast pace on foot can walk for about 30 miles in a day so we can reasonably assume it'd be just about 30 miles from the entrance to Kokiri Forest to the Hyrule Castle town gates. Now we just use that scale for all of Hyrule and we'll have a rough estimation.
I'd try looking for Morshu in Hyrule, he must be somewhere there, hiding. Because he has lamp oil, ropes, bombs, I want, and it's mine as long as I have enough rupees.
In the absence of Link we've seen the Triforce of Courage split into several fragments that then the Hero has to collect and reassemble. See the original Zelda and also Wind Waker where those Link's are technically not part of the Hero's bloodline, so they're forced to gather up the fragments themselves
Why settle with bottle fish, the fishing pond implies there are some 20lb fish in the water, just not seen in the other parts of the game for game reasons.
@@aienma6660 A pound of fish (or less) is a hearty meal, in my experience. If we assume a conservative 15 pounds of that 20 pound fish is edible, that's 15 meals, or 5 days. Basically a week. 👌
@@benjaminoechsli1941 And it wouldnt be that hard to catch... I mean, young link can pull in those beasts of fishes, so a full grown man/woman can do the same.
My Ganon solution: retrieve the kokiri's emerald from the Great Deku Tree, the safest sacred stone to get, and then go into hiding. Assuming Ganon doesnt have some magical sense for detecting the stones, you could just hide it, and nobody would know. He never gets into the sacred realm, and the world never goes post apocalypse.
not very safe for a normal human to fall hundreds of feet just to break through a spider web i dont think, also the deku tree would have to trust you in the first place to give the stone to you, he didn't raise you since you were a baby like link
He'd probably engage in more mundane methods of conquest. I dunno how well you could hide from him sweeping an army of monsters across the land murdering and pillaging their way through anyone that resists.
I've got an even easier solution: let him get the Stones, play the Song to open the door, and... be absolutely powerless to break the seal on the Sacred Realm by drawing the Master Sword, a blade evil hearts can't even touch, much less wield.
You would focus on getting a home and living a life in hyrule. I would focus on my journey to defeat ganondorf and become the hero of legend. We are not the same.
>Resetting save files and stopping time by going indoors to stop Ganondorf is non-diagetic, but resetting grass for infinite money and all other n64isms are just how the world works If this was on Oneyplays, they'd have a shouting match about each one of these rulings
😭This whole series idea is basically a Zach hypothetical, I can't believe it. I could totally imagine him asking Tomar if he could survive in some random ass game they're playing and how he'd get food and fight off monsters.
The answer to who gets the Triforce of Courage is actually solved in Cadence of Hyrule. Link still would. And he'd be taken back to Hyrule by it. The Triforce was needed while Ganon was still a child, so Link got the Triforce of Courage, Zelda got the Triforce of Wisdom... and Cadence from Crypt of the NecroDancer got the Triforce of Power, and she was pulled into the Legend of Zelda world to help the other 2.
Huh, that's super interesting? Never played Cadence of Hyrule. Kinda makes me think each part of the triforce has their own special "contengency" in place for if it's displaced from the world. In WW they have to make a completely new hero due to a lack of the spirit of the hero, and usually Ganon doesn't wait around for that to come in many games. Yet in Cadence of Hyrule they straight up go- "yeah, uh here's your temporary teiforce of power for this threat💀". The only irreversible one would probably be if Zelda's bloodline were to end, since from what I recall the triforce of wisdom is tied particularly to that.
Gannon: I was told a hero would come to stop me, is that you? Me: I guess… Gannon: do you have like a sword or magic to use? Me: I have a construction license. Gannon:…..can you at least play an ocarina? Me: what the hells an ocarina? Gannon: ok I’m going home, my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined. (Rides away) Me:…what a jerk.
My man! 🤝 As someone who works in home renovation, my first thought this video was "Enh, I'll just go get hired by the Kakariko guy. He clearly could use another hand."
@@benjaminoechsli1941 yea construction is hard but it comes with his own rewards by being able to make things with your own hands. Gannon: hey umm sorry for being rude I was just disappointed is all. “Yea I see from your perspective being the king of evil is all.” Gannon: yea so I guess I can’t rule now…..meaning I might need a job. “Oh umm ok do you have a construction license?” Gannon: No “Have you ever worked in construction before?” Gannon: No, but I do have magic. “Do you have a criminal record?” Gannon:…….Noooo “Yea I don’t think we can hire you buddy, maybe you can find employment at Lon Lon ranch.” Gannon:………ok…(rides away)……jerk.
Solution for low Safety: Just work for Ganondorf He's evil in the sense that he wants to rule the world, but if you go off of wind waker Lore, he just wants a better life for his people. Even taking that motivation out of the equation, the world doesn't actually get THAT much worse with Ganondorf in charge. Well it gets worse for the Kokiri, Zora, and Gorons. But for Hylians it doesn't change that much. Everyone moves from Castle Town to Kakriko, which would be at most a day of travel. AND! When ganondorf takes over, all the Skeletons in Hyrule Field disappear. The biggest worry about be it turning into Wind Waker's flooded world due to no Hero of Courage.
Dont confuse his nostagia and regrets in wind waker with actual care of his people. He went against their values by attacking women and children with his bands of thieves, mind controlled those who opposed him and left the gerudo to rot in the desert once he took over Hyrule and didn't need them anymore.
Kakariko also gets "destroyed" by Bongo Bongo as a result of Ganondorf's actions. If we're talking about a scenario where the door of time was still opened, that's one of the least safe places to be (besides maybe Goron City)
Ganondorf: "Evans! Where's that package delivery?" "Um, I don't know, sir." Ganondorf: "You know what this means, right?" "The gap between dimensions again, sir? Maybe if you'd stop sending people there, we wouldn't be having this probl---"
Counterpoint: WW Ganondorf is A LOT more mature than OoT Ganondorf. He lost, he learns from his loss, and he's had THOUSANDS of years of being sealed to contemplate his defeat orchestrated by the goddesses, and his motivations. And having been sealed a second time between OoT and WW. OoT Ganondorf hasn't any of that. He's a king riding high on power and conquest. That's the same reason why TP Ganondorf isn't as wise as WW Ganondorf. He NEVER lost to Link, He never faced real defeat, therefore he can't learn from it, and instead of thousands of years contemplating his loss and motivations, he instead has thousands of years of rage. He wasn't beaten by a hero sent by the goddesses, he was beaten by a king who didn't fall for his false allegiance. He wasn't sealed by the sages awakened by the goddesses, he was executed by the old sages, and awakened to power, resulting in him being sealed in the twilight realm. That's why TP Ganondorf makes the exact same mistakes as OoT Ganondorf. He's learned nothing, and is the same man from OoT MO wise.
Another thing to consider is plumbing. I mean of course you can shit anywhere in Hyrule, but the fact that no one seems to use indoor plumbing in-shelter, nor there being like a public bathhouse where you can keep yourself clean might make hygiene a little difficult, as well as possible disease due to lack of sanitation. For something like that, you might be better off in Termina.
"Traversibility" would be absolutely interesting for a game like Minecraft. Sure, Steve can jump up blocks half his height just fine, but you? I'd be tuckered out after climbing a small hill. And how would mining blocks affect your own stamina? Even creating a hole in the ground that's the size of a Minecraft block can take about 30 minutes to an hour.
Listen, that's not morals or politics, when he is literally THE "EVIL KING" GANONDORF, we can pretty objectively say he's not good without much debate.
@mr.personalspace7831 correction, he freezes Zora's domain. As far as hyrule is concerned Ganondorf is a King trying to swear fealty to hyrule after losing a war. Most people have no idea he's *objectively* evil.
Some things to remember: • Ganondorf probably couldn't open the Door of Time. We don't know if killing a Spiritual Stone's keeper will reveal it, Zelda could keep the Ocarina safe since she did a great job of hiding for 7 years, and he probably couldn't draw the Master Sword. • Even if he can't access the Sacred Realm, Ganondorf is still able to conquer Hyrule. That's the whole reason Zelda flees after the 3rd dungeon. • You may be able to save Hyrule without fighting. If you can get an audience with the king, you, the mysterious otherworldly stranger, could possibly use your knowledge of Zelda lore to expose Ganondorf's plot. That's basically what Link does at the end of the game. • Being a human wouldn't make you stand out. Some humans in Zelda have pointy ears, in which case they're called Hylians, and some don't. All that'd make you stand out is your lack of polygons.
The issue with replacing Link as a human is, unless you're actually a child, there is a good chance you're already screwed. Even by taking the "Ocarina of Time as-is" aspect and thus ignore outside media about what happens to adults getting too deep into the woods, it will nonetheless make the Deku Tree go "How did you slip past my magic radar?" and depending on how things goes, that can go badly. The best hope is the Deku Tree noticing that there is something unique about "human-replacing-Link(tm)", but that has a good chance that person would be loaded with big responsibility. Nevermind that the Deku Tree is bound to die within the first day of arriving in the world, which will negatively affect the safety of the world (and give Ganondorf a free jewel).
Castle Town is realistically the only place any of us would be in any actual danger. You'd have a monster in the village, but that guy lives in a hole no one goes in, so like, we're all probably good.
I'm enjoying this series - and I like how you spelled out the assumptions so clearly. The only criticism is that tallying up all the points at the end doesn't tell you much - 3s across the board average to the same as all 1s and 5s, but those are very different prospects.
You could have a Perfectly safe, enjoyable world, with 0 potable water, and so get a fantastically high rating for somewhere you'd last less than a week.
"Hey, I come from a world where all of you are characters from a book (videogame would be to hard to explain), and Ganondorf is hiding something." Problem solved
@@rlira8072 The Gerudo people have rounded ears in Ocarina of Time, so it's still pretty far-fetched imo. It's not like having rounded ears makes you undeniably from another world. Especially when we consider that there are places outside of Hyrule in the series.
@@johnpett1955 We ventured out of Hyrule in The Legend of Zelda 2 and they have pointy ears. And about the Gerudo, a male Gerudo is born every 100 and the current one is Ganon, so if you're not ginger, that should rule you out.
Carrots are implied to exist by Epona's dash command, so ya got one vegitable technically. As for meat only diets the Inuit people across the arctic have survived on a meat only diet for a very long time, but IDK if the vitamins available in seals, bears, and whales are available in just cows and chickens.
I think adding bottled fish and bugs into the mix would get you there. In addition to the Deku seeds/nuts and potential other edible plants/fungi. We know mushrooms exist too (odd mushroom) and you'd also have plenty of Lon Lon milk to drink
Don't forget about the magic bean guy eating those beans lol. On top of that, the scientist at the Lake Hylia laboratory mentions something about wanting to eat eyeball frogs lmao.
To spin the speculative yarn of food availability in a real-time and scale Hyrule, I'm literally diving into a HUD element so bear with me. If you were to have a pack of all the typical adventuring equipment, bottles and junk, being entrusted with Epona in the adult timeline seems to indicate that she eats from a supply of carrots you keep on hand. This is just the symbol used for sprinting (unlike spurs in Twilight Princess), if we translate the fricken _sprint distance_ from in game time and space to real world proportions it's logical that these carrots do grant Epona the energy to gallop faster over longer periods. And if we fully hinge on this idea of carrots being a tangible resource then the amount of time to regain sprints is the amount of time it would take to forage for carrots, which seem readily available anywhere in the overworld Epona has access to (which are just travel regions with fast forwarding time). Combine the assumption of wild carrots growing in abundance across Hyrule with milk, eggs, and steaks, we've almost got a food pyramid to choose from. Unless, of course, we are just sitting in a kilometer long stretch of flat polygons watching the sun pass every four minutes, but that lacks fantasy.
overall a decent video, but i feel like a different approach would've made it more interesting, such as a realistic one. for example, it takes about half a day to walk from lost woods to the market, which would put the distance at about 15 or so miles, which seems a reasonable scale. it takes about a day and a half or two days to climb death mountain, which makes it about a 60 mile hike or so. secondly, there is plenty of evidence of various food items. yes there are plenty of fish and cows, but we also know that fried frog eyes are viewed a delicacy by some. who knows what else exists in this world, and considering the animals eat plants, so could humans. for example, carrots can be seen in the stable of lon lon ranch. we also know there is great respect for animals, with a holiday dedicated to paying respect for animals used for human purposes, like medicines. as far as housing goes, there is a lot. just going through the back alley we see many buildings. the carpenters in kakariko were hired by impa with the vision of building an entire city. not to mention when villagers flee to kakariko, more beds are placed in some buildings. finally, i am fully confident ganondorf would be taken care of. link is the only one who is able to grant him access to the sacred realm because of the stones. each society refuses to give ganondorf, and he doesnt appear to use force to get them, probably because he knows if he kills everyone, there wont be much to rule in that country. jabu jabu disappears sometime withing the seven years, and the zoras do fine without him. the great deku tree is reincarnated. gorons can survive off of other rocks, and they once killed greater dodongos, im sure they could take care of king dodongo. finally, to build off my last point. in the timeline where link defeats ganon and is sent back to his time, he warns zelda, and ganondorf doesnt even get a chance, so it is possible ganondorf doesnt get a chance to inact his plan. i believe this would be a fantastic world to live in, not to mention it is only one country, with termina existing. this period of hyrule would be great to live in. everyone is united after a terrible civil war, and at least you wont be there for the great flood, or events of twilight princess. oot hyrule is peak, and no matter where you decide to live, you probably have a pretty good life. if you read all this, im impressed, wnd thank you for taking time out of your day. let me know if i missed anything or am completely wrong.
Great episode! Certainly living in Hyrelu would be pretty doable. I was gonna ask for Majora's Mask when I was reminded about the three day ending catastrophe, which most certainly eliminates any persona that doesn't have a magical ocarina and know the song of time.
I think that one of the better Zeldas to live in is Wind Waker. Civilization isn't in an amazing place, but hey, you're on a bunch of tropical islands. Ganondorf also is a lot more low key in this game, so you could perhaps ignore him. If you wanted to, you could even go so far as to lead the canonical expedition to New Hyrule, and leading the founding of a new nation. Hard to find many long term projects in a game that would be as fulfilling as that. I think the hardest thing though with Wind Waker would be the sudden disappearance of Link. Suddenly he's gone, everyone is sad, and then his sister is kidnapped. Pretty crappy situation. I prefer the Isekai premise then of you just dropping in, and nothing else has changed.
That being said, if you were given the ocarina but none of the other items/abilities, it would be a very interesting case. In terms of resources and safety, it's pretty similar to OoT, but what would be the psychological effect of experiencing the same three days over and over again for the rest of your life? Building relationships with people becomes impossible, since they forget about you at the start of each cycle
I am surprised you never bothered to also look at the OOT 3D remake, I am pretty sure I saw some vegetables at a market stall. 6:46 I JUST saw vegetables in that farm!
Combination of survival and impossible wacky situations. Really makes me sad that I can't go and try to experience and test myself in it. But the genre is my new favorite.
Or 9 minutes carrying invisible rocks through loading screens to get ACE... Hmm, if you brought TASBot with you into the world, how would you plug him into the controller ports?
It's a tough balancing act with the idea of resources. Concessions have ro be made one way or another and I feel like you've settled on something that makes sense, but there are plenty of other valid ways to examine it. For example, in this video, we've assumed that 1: NPCs wouldn't need food, and 2: NPC creatures such as cows, horses, and chickens would have nutritional value I'm okay with the conclusions drawn from that, but looking at this scenario from another perspective involves incongruities. Do the horses, cows, chickens, etc need to eat? If not, what are they made of that makes them provide nutritional value? If we flipped this and claimed that all NPCs would need to eat as soon as we arrived, would our arrival bring turmoil to the world? If correlation was discovered between this dynamic change and our presence, would we be hated? If we go back to us being the only being that needs to eat, and we examine the farm animals again, we also have to contend with the fact that the game doesn't normally have any need to re-spawn them (aside from cuccos--more on that next), because they're never supposed to be defeated. Would the game make another script call to spawn all the horses and cows back in when you return after slaughtering any of them? Cuccos can never be defeated either. They're invincible, and trying to eat them puts your life in serious jeopardy. You might even be able to temporarily neutralize Ganon with them if you can safely trick him into attacking one. All of this is just food for thought though. You obviously can't even begin to consider the logistics of living in a game world unless the game's assets and environments are translated into realistic analogues to some degree, but going for complete realism makes most of these worlds fall apart. If we go for no concessions, we have a world so incongruent from our own that our very existence there is quite impossible. If we go for "complete" realism, then all of the water would eventually find itself over the side of the limited map, and we'd have no guarantee a flat, segmented world could even maintain an atmosphere. I think you've drawn a decent line on where to balance everything.
Yeah I've definitely thought about this. At the end of the day, I kinda just don't think about it too hard hahaha. I could spend a couple minutes talking about the food chain and how everything is supplied, but I don't think anyone wants to hear that. It's like answering a kid's question, and then they say "Why?", so you answer that and they ask "Why?" again. You could go down a never ending spiral like that. I just gotta call it at some point and make some core assumptions.
@@PretzelYTI feel like the best strategy for the future is considering what exists in canon. Carrots appear on Epona's stamina meter, so I think it's reasonable that you could obtain carrots. I perhaps favor a too liberal interpretation of this however, as I'd say you can visit other kingdoms like Labrynna, because they exist in the canon.
Two things you forgot to consider: About food: there are also a few monsters that looks edible. Since the game doesn't have any poison damage mechanic, I guess none of the giant insects or plants would be a problem. Also no signs of our real world diseases existing in Hyrule, so there's that too. Some seem to be sentient, so i wouldn't cross that line. But of course, hunting them is risky. About Ganondorf: we can do just like what Link did at the end of the game, simply inform Zelda about him, and of course explain our situation and how we know what happens in the future Actually we can even tell the Happy Mask Salesman to be aware of Skull Kid, and maybe even befriending him so we could also save Termina and maybe visit there too
There’s also the fact that without Link in the picture, Ganondorf wouldn’t be able to remove the Master Sword from its pedestal and so wouldn’t be able to access the Sacred Realm in the first place
I assume the water flows to Lake Hylia, gets turned into rain, and gets delivered back up to Zora's Fountain. When it gets frozen, you just get tasty ice water!
Assuming there aren't crops (there probably are thought somewhere) you could still find herbs with tasty nutritions. Also you cannot tell me the deku scrubs aren't full of vitamins
Every moment you spend surviving, Ganondorf only grows more suavemente.
Awesome reference 😂
Oh no... his power waxes while mine wanes 😭
Easy solution. Join the Gerudo. Join the suavemente dance party as a backup dancer.
@@rheokalyke367unless you’re a male. They’re a female society of WARRIORS if i remember correctly. So any males that try and join are probably not going to be in functional order for much longer. H**ny jokes aside, they didnt react well to Link’s trespassing in BotW, and i dont think they react well to male interlopers in various other games. Its safe to say male presence is not needed or wanted in their society. So “joining the Gerudo” is effectively a very selective solution. Sure you could probably barter or something with them. But i highly doubt their tolerance for anyone who isn’t biologically female or possibly an extremely difficult to pinpoint gender is going to last particularly long.
The Dale Zelda Dale! dance should do the trick
The presence of scarecrows in Lake Hylia implies crops I think.
Especially since theyre standing in small tilled patches. Id imagine the old scientist or the fisherman grow things there to supplement fish and whatever else they might trade for with Zoras
@@emilyrobinson6080 just gotta theft some seeds and grow my own crops
Plus how do you spur your horse to go faster? You feed them a carrot!
I think Hyrule denizens just have social hangups with displaying vegetables in the open 😂
Also the windmill in Kakariko
I think it's the "in-game" thing. Like, the crops exist in lore, but they are not present as something visible in the game. So if we treat this thought exercise as literally being sucked into the game as is, we can't obtain any, because they are not there.
For the Triforce bit, that's essentially what happens in Wind Waker- there is no Legendary Hero to reincarnate, so the Triforce of Courage just splits up and has to be found again. It's definitely a thing to think on.
GREAT point, thank you. I tried to shut out the triforce gathering in that game out of my mind, so I'm glad someone reminded me.
A scavenger hunt like that would probably have more eager participants than just Link since the world isn't flooded.
@@PretzelYT Same tbh lol It's why I never finished it as a kid- I did it all in one go and forgot to save. XnX
You just need to wear green triforce tshirt to receive triforce like many neckbeards do
Yeah that link isn't the hero of courage, the big fish says it. Or the tree
2:06 I half expected "Before we take a single step, we'll find ourself trapped by an owl who won't stop talking, and we'll slowly waste away and perish, imprisoned by his endless monologue."
This video in a nutshell:
My day be so fine, then boom, Ganondorf exists.
Surviving Ocarina of Time for 3 days: 😃
Surviving Majoras Mask for 3 days: 💀
Oh god most certainly 😨
That one pretty much forces you to go on the main quest yourself, huh? Unless you want to live for only three days or go completely bonkers just resetting the world every three days.
@@buttsbrown2442 that implies that you know how to play an ocarina.
@@buttsbrown2442 I really hope if pretzel does a video on majora's mask, they try to use an actual ocarina to determine how hard it is, lol
You'd be able to survive for three days pretty easily in Majora's Mask... barely.
Maybe the magic beans could be a source of food. The guy selling them is eating a lot of them.
That's also what I was saying. They look pretty good too
Yeah, we know they have beans, nuts, and carrots (since making epona move faster involves feeding her carrots.)
@AdeptArcanist I think the carrots are just a ui thing. Epona moves faster due to the fact link is whipping her
@@AdeptArcanistthere is also bees. So we have honey.
Also magic mushrooms in the forest!
Let’s not forget though that pretty much every single body of water in Hyrule gets filtered through the Zora kings butt crack.
Protein?
Flavour.
There's a reason they need the well.
his ass is clean. yours would be too if you flushed river amounts of water. but instead you have a disgusting inadequate ass compared to the kings
Only the purest water for Hyrule
From a nutrition perspective:
Yes you can survive without vegetables if you have access to meat and fish, ideally red meat and especially organ meats (Vitamin C is a bit dicey but you can get enough to *survive* from red meats), depending on quality and quantity you may suffer some minor nutritional deficiencies but it will not kill you.
But it's worth noting that there probably are foods available in-universe, we don't see wheat farms and the like because they're likely boring and off-screen, but they likely exist. The food stalls can be assumed to be the stalls with large npc crowds in castle town (bread or fish perhaps?) and fish are plentiful.
The large grass plants may also be edible, deku nuts are probably edible, as are deku seeds and magic beans. Potions may have excellent nutritional value as well since they restore your health, and I can't speak for recovery hearts but they may also grant nutrition.
Skulltulas and other monsters may also be edible but that's purely speculative (but if them burning up into nothing on death is taken as a fact of the universe instead of a gameplay optimisation... well they're definitely not edible).
I'd say that you can actually manage pretty well with just *confirmed* food sources (fish, cows, cuccos, nuts, and seeds, apparently the eyeball frog is a delicacy so we'll add frog meat to the equation as well) let alone the large clam enemies, deku skrubs, various potentially edible plants, potions, etc.
This may be conjecture, but that "grass" you can cut looks like a hosta plant. Of which, you can eat and _preserve_ the shoots no problem, as they are actually in the Asparagaceae family. Yes, it is what you're thinking. The hosta garden in your grandmother's back yard has a genetic tie to asparagus. Hosta shoots are high vitamin C, so if that grass is actually hosta, you're golden on that front.
@@YourWaywardDestiny Excellent addition, thank you for sharing. I've now learned about hosta plants.
Epona's dash meter implies access to carrots too, if you'll count it.
carrots do exist as Epona shows
All Zelda games take place in the same world. BOTW/TOTK flesh out (heh) the setting quite a bit. There is PLENTY to eat throughout Hyrule. And you can harvest freely without paying taxes. 💕
I like how you showed 5/5 for traversability at the end while showing us a mechanism for travel that would almost certainly rip our arms out of our sockets.
Physical therapists hate this one tool that will instantly destroy your joints!
i miss matpat D:
"You blink and you find yourself in Link's house"
Wheelchair users: "Guess I'll die."
Maybe Accessibility would be an interesting extra category or consideration on traversability
@@TangoStar I would love that, personally. A little research on disability and mobility would be totally unique and really set this series apart.
There are very few places both in fiction and in the real world where a cripple could survive on his own. Being "differently abled" would just mean "dying" in almost every situation.
@@gurriato Well, if you saw how DnD is today it is something similar, to be more inclusive, people with disabilities they have access to a magical combat chair that can fly and allows them to be super agile, plus it never breaks and things like that. It doesn't make any sense, anyone who has healthy feet should also use it if it's so good. In worlds of fantasy and fiction where magic exists, those types of disabilities don't make sense.
@@gurriato
Damn if only there was some way for multiple organisms to work together so that one can cover the weaknesses of another...
Unless something else kills you first disability is something that inevitably happens as one gets old and I don't know of any civilisation ever that didn't at least try to take care of its elderly.
Kakariko may SEEM comfy at a glance, but remember it's flanked by an active volcano on one side, a graveyard with actual ghosts on another side, is home to not one but two buried torture sites housing the vengeful undead, and also features a house full of cursed spider people. Plus the neighbors play their music really loud all night and you'd never get any sleep.
The real chad move is to live at Lon Lon Ranch and work as a ranch hand. Comfy horseback riding, an endless supply of milk and dairy products, a jolly old man who entertains you with chicken hide-and-seek and is more than happy to marry off his incredibly beautiful songstress daughter to you, and the worst thing that happens there throughout the course of the game is a hostile buyout by the local Ganondorf fan.
Lon Lon Ranch is a safe choice until night hits and so do those goddamn crows.
I was also thinking about Lon Lon Ranch. Being a ranch hand would probably earn us rupees. I'm sure Talon (the owner of the ranch and father of Malon) would appreciate the help. You could live a pretty cozy/peaceful life being a cowboy/rancher and riding on horse back into town to deliver the lon lon milk.
Endless supply of milk at Lon Lon Ranch, eh? 🥴🥛I’m sold.
@@gabe5918I see you
Hell, even the hostile buyout is only a temporary issue. Even in a worst case where it gets so bad you have to leave, once Link changes things there you'll soon be seeing Malon selling Lon Lon Milk again where you learn the ranch is better. And given Malon and talon are nice people they'd no doubt happily accept you back.
Some things I found noteworthy:
* Unless they saw you emerge from Link's House, the Kokiri probably wouldn't care about an adult being there, people visit Kokiri all the time, that's why there's a shop. They would, however, expect you to be only visiting.
* The Deku Tree would absolutely hear you out, but he would absolutely not allow you to stay. Without the protection of a Fairy, you'd get lost in the mist and become a Stalfos. He'd probably give you some advice on where you could go at least.
* The cows eat hay, so we can assume that NPCs need to eat, we just never see it on screen.
* Do not eat Deku Nuts, those are not vegetables, they explode with a blinding light when hit hard enough.
* How to get a place? Simple: Impa's house in Kakariko is open to the public, so people are just allowed to stay there if they don't have a home anywhere else. Alternatively, if you're okay with listening to people scream about how bad being cursed sucks, you could always crash in the House of Skulltula.
* Possibly a continuation of the Cows eating Hay thing; In order for the hypothetical to make sense, we have to assume that the world becomes real (IE NPCs become people) or else no events happen and no one but us ages. In games like this, Time moves with the protagonists footsteps, so if we treat the NPCs as NPCs during the Hypothetical, Ganon becomes a non-threat, as does the pressure he's put on the various leaders of the land, as no future events will happen unless we walk into the exact correct place.
I had many of the same thoughts!
We aren't just entering a sterile, digital world. We are entering a fantasy world where people act like people. LET THEM EAT CAKE! (Or whatever food NPC's like)
You could also say that you're Link's cousin from his mother's sister's cousin's side of the family. technically it's not against canon or lying at all.
I mean, yeah, when Link goes to Kokiri forest as an adult, none of the Kokiri recognize him, yet they still treat him with hospitality.
Unless we inherit Navi when we switch places with him, then we could stay in the forest theoretically as long as we wanted to
I always thought of the Kokiri Shop as just being kids playing store and getting really intense about it, not that they were expecting other races to come through town and buy from them.
Indigenous people in Northern Canada were able to survive without greens due to animal organs providing pretty much all you need to survive. Also you forgot spiders/bugs, those are also perfectly good food sources. And there are magic beans in game which you could substitute meat for probably.
Triforce of courage would go towards Mido. He protected his village and was essentially their leader.
>bug eater
Chitin can cause a lot of damage to humans. Better not eat a lot of bugs.
This is the comment I was looking for! And yes! The magic beans!
Imagine Young Link showing up in our modern world though.
A like 12 year old appearing on someone's couch in a green tunic, people would assume he's some kind of dedicated child cosplayer, child services would try to find out who his parents are, he'd have a severe lack of understanding of our societal norms and technologies, and would probably live a fairly deprived life even after CPS finds him a foster home.
Forget our survivability in Hyrule - what is Young Link's survivability in *our* world?
Right omg can you imagine his confusion? At least we know about his world, but a 12 year old randomly getting isekaied into a life without any prior knowledge? Considering I live alone, where would he even begin? I’d be fine, hyrule would be better, I’m worried about link
Regarding ganon, remember that there is a canon solution to this problem: Warn zelda.
Link does this after the events of the game when he goes back in time. We know the events of the game, so we could do the same.
That's a good point, I didn't consider that. I guess there's a possibility that she might think you're crazy, but if she's willing to listen to Link, then she might listen to you.
I'd still keep the rating somewhat low, because this is GANONDORF. He could definitely figure something out before he's put in prison/executed.
@PretzelYT yeah, that's what happens in twilight princess.
If Ganondorf sees a REAL LIFE HUMAN BEING running around, he's absolutely going to plan around that. But being the isekai protagonist in this scenario, who's Zelda going to believe, you, or the guy she literally FEELS the ill intent radiating off of? It's really your word against his, and he is pretty decently high up the social ladder by the time you seen him through that window.
@@PretzelYTAnd it's like you said-
See Twilight Princess, the gods have a sense of humor when it comes to letting Ganondorf get executed.
Link has the Triforce of Courage though. That's why people knew he was the Hero of Time and believed him even though he was a kid. I don't think they would believe us though.
I love these "could you survive in" videos, it's pretty interesting.
Seconded, these are great! More please!!
I think with the danger factor there's a couple of things to consider:
1) Only the hero of time is able to pull the sacred blade, and that's ultimately what causes the sacred realm to open. Without it, we have to question if even with the medallions, Ganondorf would be able to get to the sacred realm
2) Assuming we have foreknowledge about what happens in the game, we can just do what happens at the end of the game. We can warn Zelda and the king of Hyrule of what's to come before Ganondorf comes to power and he'd be executed
The Master Sword cannot be wielded by an evil hand, so Ganondorf certainly could not draw it. Could he force someone else to draw it in his place? Possibly, unless the blade can sense duress and wouldn't budge.
Very good point! But would Zelda and the King of Hyrule believe an evil ganon theory from some random dude who just showed up lol
@@raaaaaaayden They might if you play your cards right.
So I'm a little hazy on the details because the zelda canon is complicated and I don't keep up, Ocarina of time splits into 3 time lines which all lead to different games. The adult timeline, the child timeline, and the downfall timeline. At the end of the game, Zelda apologizes to link for depriving him of a childhood, and sends him back in time to live out his childhood. This split the timeline in 2, an adult timeline, and a child timeline. but Nintendo confirmed a THIRD timeline known as the downfall timeline where Link does NOT succeed in his quest. In this timeline, Ganon wages war on the kingdom of hyrule and this leads to the Gerudo wars. I think at the end of all of this Ganon succeeds in conquering hyrule and the Goddesses flood all of hyrule in a form of damage control leading to windwaker, but honestly I'm not too sure. So yeah, the danger would still be there even if link never pulls the sword.
EDIT: Oh no wait I remember. Child timeline is where the goddesses flood hyrule, and it's because Link never pulled the sword in that timeline. So we'd probably end up in that route.
@@MistaOppritunity Adult timeline is where Hyrule is flooded. In the child timeline young Link goes back to Zelda and Ganondorf is executed
Technically there is an unlimited amount of chickens. Anytime you kill one to eat it, a horde of more of them appears to try and kill you
"Ganondorf would be a real person that you'd have to contend with"
its okay i can fix him ☺
All I'm saying is, all Ganondorf needed to not become evil were some good backshots. He'd realize there's no need to try and conquer Hyrule when heaven is already within reach.
@bugjams god I would so let him
I feel like in fighting Ganon, you have a massive advantage, and that is foresight. Presumably for most people who watched this video, you're an adult, or at least not 12. Thus, it'll be easier for you to have influence in the world.
Thus here is my game plan -
Realize I've been transported into Ocarina of Time. Ask the kokiri to let me visit the great deku tree, and explain the situation. Try my best to convince them to let me have some supplies, then set out for the rest of Hyrule.
At this point, I'm probably dressed like a kokiri, but to some extent, I look a bit more "normal." I travel to castle town, and simply tell everyone that I'm a traveler from a far off land. At that point, I begin to work to support myself, and while I do so, build relationships in the community, and keep tabs on Ganon.
Because I know who Ganon is and what he's doing, I can build trust until I can warn the king and other groups in Hyrule. Heck, you could go as far as gathering other concerned citizens, and running espionage in Gerudo Valley, trying to thwart their plans.
The difficulty without Link is that the way I see it, there's a strong likelihood that you are going to get involved in a much more traditional and brutal war. Fun! But seriously, Ganondorf is going to take this world by force, it's not as easy for him, you know what he wants to do, and he knows you can somehow anticipate his choices. War I'd say, is inevitable.
There is, like you mentioned, the prospect of being deemed the new hero of time. If you take Link's place at the start, you might get pulled into helping the great deku tree, and thus getting the kokiri emerald - not a great start to make yourself less conspicuous to the whims of fate.
Further, if you take an active role in stopping Ganondorf, which you should, because you have knowledge others don't, that will further spotlight you as someone uniquely suited to have the triforce of courage. It would be quite dangerous, but with potions, fairies, possibly even the master sword, and your unique ability to problem solve outside the original bounds of the game, I think defeating Ganondorf is very doable, especially if you are an experienced player of the game, and know a bunch of tricks to use.
It's a good idea, though in the event you are the new Hero of Time you have to consider you are considerably less durable than any other inhabitant of Hyrule. Unlike Link, your body is more prone to bruises, cuts, maybe fractures, is likely less acrobatic, and has stamina issues like BOTW Link.
This will go into wondering how do the magical items in the game affect you, like do Heart Containers make you more durable to stabs, or is it you can just like "bleed out" longer but still experience the pain of a sword stabbing you and staying there 😅. If it's the latter, you're basically just a OHKO to most enemies, not even talking Ganondorf.
The best bet likely is to try and become the royal tactician like older Fire Emblem games, honing your intelligence on how to position troops so that you can still contribute to Ganondorf's defeat.
Remember we're dealing with the physical capabilities of a human, so there's a pretty decent chance you just die in the deku tree from gohma, or maybe just from falling after failing to climb massive walls of vines
Ganondorf can split any of us in half with a single hand dude
"Ganon sir, some random blunt-eared stranger is telling you are evil."
"Lol, just kick him out and ban him from entry. Or maybe I'll send one of my minions or magic after him."
@@OverbiteGamesI feel like it's fair to assume that a fairy or potion would heal you to some extent, as that's how they operate in world.
We also have an advantage over Link, that we can obtain armor, and you'd probably want to spam protective magic.
For specifically vitamin C, you could make a tea with pine needles. There may be other edible plants that we don't think of as food as well, for example in our world dandelions can be eaten.
Who knows, peahat roots might be delicious roasted like artichoke hearts. Usually any plant that defends itself with big thorns (yet alone freaking out like a giant flying beyblade) have something delicious.
@@emilyrobinson6080
I’m not even fighting that thing when I can respawn, there’s no way you’re fighting a helicopter with medieval weaponry.
Would not recommend that to any women looking to become mothers though. Pine needle tea from a lot of species of pine will terminate gestation. In a side note I hate how we have to find creative ways around controversial terms here.
Organ meats have more than ample amounts of vitamin C. And all non-organ meats have it as well, just not as much as fruit does. But it may not be necessary as high-meat diets do not seem to require as much of it to stave off scurvy.
They have potions, maybe they also contain vitamin c?
The old man at the laboratory mentions how eyeball frog eyes are a delicacy he enjoys and how if it wasnt needed for medicine, that night’s dinner would be special because of it.
The gorons also are in a predicament due to their food source being closed off, granted they eat rocks but I think the idea remains that NPCs do eat even if we dont see them do so.
Theres also fish that are widely available in many bodies of water so it wouldnt strictly be red meat, and Id imagine cucco eggs and milk/other dairy products would be available since we get both eggs (to be hatched, not eaten) and milk in the game.
1:11 *tries to deflect energy ball from Ganondorf with a bottle... gets blinded by explosion of broken glass*
8:20 "What's your job?"
"I cut the infinite grass in the graveyard"
“Who gets the Triforce of Courage”
Plot twist: I get the Triforce of Power and become the villain, and Ganondorf gets Courage
the heroic Ganondorf started a journey to defeat the villain, the main character
@@Retroist2024 Deathnotefan97, the protagonist.
@@jokiejook8659 the protagonist has to go to temples to set up dungeon monsters so that Ganondorf cannot defeat them
It's going to be another Link Between Worlds twist
And Ganon has to find the sword of demons because Fi hates his guts.
Don't hang around the woods too long, or you might end up in Termina. And we all know that world has a more terrible fate.
Or a Stalfos.
A lot of games have an entire separate artstyle for their overworld long-distance travel map entirely to help ease the Scale Theory's potential for killing immersion.
Hahaha I've been reading interviews for Final Fantasy VII's final episode in the remake trilogy, and it seems like that's troubling them. It was a lot easier to render the world in a simple scale for an airship that you're able to fly around the world it. The team says they're struggling on how to implement that in a game that doesn't have that abstracted world map.
Super curious to see how they handle it.
@@PretzelYT i am a programmer so feel free to ask what you want
@@PretzelYTI feel like a game where this could get really messy is Red Dead Redemption 2. A lot of people have mentioned it - it's a very realistic world. It's literally trying to recreate real world 1899. The question is however, are you trapped literally in the actual map, or do you have access to the real life places mentioned like New York (or Tahiti 🙃).
If we act like it's just the real world... then basically all you've done is time traveled, and you can live a somewhat decent life. Stuck in the in game map though... and eventually even the expansive world of red dead 2 is going to wear on you after years of living there.
@@PretzelYT pls do rianworld next i really want see if able survival in rian worlde
@@WasatchWind as a trans woman it wouldn't be an easy or normal life, I'd be treated like dirt at best and that's if I find a way to pass.
Listening to you talk through these questions makes me feel like a kid again.... which is pretty damn magical. It's nice to remember when the most important questions and priorities were those you made yourself.
Don't get too attached to your 'cabin in the woods' fantasy. Any adult that wanders into the Lost Woods becomes a Stalfos. Happened to white-eyed bald dude, happened to Link, *will* happen to you...provided you aren't a child.
I was looking for this comment since I watched the OoT lore video lmao.
It's literally instant death/loss of sanity.
"happened to link" what ? It didn't, except if you're talking about his version from TP, where he is a skeleton/golden wolf giving knew techniques ?
If you know the plot of the game before entering, Ganondorf becomes a non issue. When Link goes back in time at the end of the game, he just snitches on Ganon to Zelda and tells her what he's gonna do. According to lore, he's then caught and executed as seen in twilight princess. Yeah he comes back but you'd be dead by then.
If there is no hero of the prophecy, then there is no evil overlord of the prophecy, I believe. They are the two different faces of the same coin and princess Zelda is the slice.
Zelda already was trying to snitch on Gannon, nobody believes her....
@@IrvineTheHunter but after link returns from the future, zelda and link presumably have triforce markings on their hand, which would give them more credibility (i think). At least that seems to be the reason why ganondorf has the triforce of power in TP, despite being caught before he follows link into the temple of time.
Maybe a isekai protagonist could convince the king using lore knowledge or something. Like, most hylians dont know, that hylians came from skyloft originally, or that ganondorf is the reincarnation of demise, or that zelda is a reincarnation of the goddess hylia.
Actually, he wouldn't come back. No time travel shenanigans means he doesn't get the Triforce of Power. So he dies.
Don't think you'd have to worry about the Triforce, actually. Ganondorf only got his hands on it because Link opened the Temple of Time and drew the Master Sword from its pedestal, thus giving Ganondorf access to the Sacred Realm. So unless someone else is able to find and gather the three sacred stones, get the Ocarina of Time, and learn the Song of Time, AND draw the Master Sword, Ganondorf isn't getting the Triforce. He's still a threat, sure, but not nearly on the level he is in the game.
If we assume time actually passes with no one doing anything he absolutely realizes his goals I think, he gets the stones by killing the great deku tree like he does in the game, starving the gorons to death and causing panic in the zoras by killing jabu jabu with his parasite, he can totally get his hands on the ocarina of time too he also almost did it in the game, and learning the song is just a matter of bribing or blackmailing the right important people
When it comes to the master sword, if oot ganondorf is comparable in power to totk ganondorf he could totally just destroy the master sword and break the seal like that
@@Yamartim he doesn't have the secret stone in OoT so no crazy powers like breaking the master sword
@@YamartimGanondorf breaking the Master Sword in TotK is a anomaly. It's only possible specifically because of how OP Gloom is.
The fallen hero timeline exist, so we know for certain he can obtain his goals
@@videogamesarecool9280Yeah, he's fighting to get the triforce because he wants that ultimate power, but in the end, he will still try to overthrow the kingdom anyway.
Should mention that in the OoT manga, link actually eats Bread mentioning it tastes better than the fruits of the forest. So Behind the scenes there would be fruits and grains (and presumably other stuff like corn) so I think you are good.
He said we are going with the game world we can see..
@@songokuwukong figured I'd just add that bit of knowledge, as one could see the manga and other material as a supplement. Just food for thought
@@songokuwukongit's crazy to believe that a world full of green and forests don't have vegetables
Is the manga canon?
@@benjaminoechsli1941 no idea. But it is a good read
Bro I need SO MUCH MORE of this series. You got me to subscribe in one single video, that has NEVER happened and I've had this TH-cam account long enough that Google didn't own TH-cam when I started. At least a decade.
That ganondorf face in the thumbnail is nightmare fuel
I think it's from a trophy in Super Smash Bros. Melee
I feel like the removal of Link from that universe would either break the curse entirely, meaning Ganondorf would never be stopped, or it'd reincarnate a new Link. Two Links can exist at the same time, that's canon. It doesn't require the first one's soul or anything.
generally each link is only born every few hundreds or thousands of years between games though, we'd be long dead by then
@@Yamartim One of the topdown games has an old man who was the previous Link, and there was a scrapped game about an old librarian who takes in the next Link as his apprentice. Seems to me like it's every
@@BacxaberCould you clarify about the game with ‘the previous Link?’ All I could think of before you said it was a top-down game was that you meant the Hero’s Shade in TP. I’m not aware of any canon game that includes multiple concurrently living incarnations of Hyrule’s Link.
@@Dash123456789Brawl I think they might be mixing up the surviving member of Tetra's crew that knew WW Link and meets ST Link
@@Nathan-qp9uvA Link Between Worlds
In the child timeline, after Link gets sent back to the past by Zelda, he reveals the truth about Ganondorf preventing him from being able to take over until Twilight Princess.
By that logic, if YOU were sucked into the game world, you would be able to do the same thing as Link. Once you know that Ganondorf is evil, you can tell everybody and prevent him from taking over.
"There are so many people in this world, it would be easy to find a little group you fit into"
Me: Um... *looks around nervously*
I actually wouldn’t worry about Gannon, because I’d just do what Link did in an alternate timeline and make sure Gannon was executed before anything bad could happen.
Just get your hands on an Ocarina. Maybe not ALL of the magic songs will work, and maybe the Great Fairies won't give you spells even if you do play Zelda's Lullaby, but it's entirely possible to get the Sun Song with the Fairy Ocarina before you get the OoT, and it works just the same. That implies that the magic is in the songs themselves as opposed to the instrument.
Mind you, half of those songs wouldn't be useful to a normal person. (Warp into an active volcano? No thanks.) But teleporting between Lake Hylia and the two major Hylian settlements is unquestionably handy.
Great video as always!
Regarding the issue of money: Getting rupees from cutting grass isn't just something meta. There's a canon reason for why they keep appearing: the Minish keep replenishing them, so it would be perfectly viable to get wealthy by doing that.
My head canon for a more realistic rupee is that they're a variety of a sort of quartz. Finding them naturally, they're just rare enough to be worth something, but perhaps in more organized periods of Hyrule's history, they are actually cut and maybe engraved with a royal seal or something, to prevent the currency from inflating.
oh god so the reason we dont find them in grass anymore in botw and totk is because all the minish died? thats messed up
@@WasatchWind they are valuable because they are literally magical, the different colors are literally the green ones magically combined into the new color
@@YamartimYou find them under rocks all the time and I feel like that's the same deal
There are carrots in OoT. You have an infinite amount when riding Epona
Just gotta get on horseback and chomp down on raw veggies for sustenance.
My thoughts exactly. It'd be like Homer with the alcohol-fueled car.
"One for you, one for me, one for you, one for me."
casually gets on my horse and reaches up and pulls a carrot off the ui that no one else can see
I'd think the Kokiri would most likely assume that a random human showing up is probably fine because what are they gonna do- leave? Clearly they were supposed to end up here, that's why they're not a Stalfos, silly! It's the Deku Tree you'd need to worry about, but tbh, he'd probably meet you with curiosity more than anything else as long as you're honest and peaceful. Might still make you leave but if he does, you'll probably just be led out to the forest entrance and set free. At worst, they just force you out into the woods.
As for Ganondorf, you could speak with the Deku Tree and tell him you have knowledge of events that he too is privy to (such as his curse). With that, you might have some realistic chance of warning the king of Ganondorf's betrayal. A human that entered the Kokiri village unharmed without a fairy AND came back out unharmed? That sounds pretty serious, he might actually give you consideration
Effectively this is what Zelda does after sending Link away anyway, she just warns the king successfully in her childhood. Then you'd be set until he breaks free like a century later. Could argue it's too meta but I think simply warning others should count as a realistic and therefore viable option since we're assuming NPCs still have jobs and renewable resources and the like.
Warning others is a lot easier cause most viewers here are older than 12 I'd wager, and that is a big point in your favor. Knowing what Ganondorf is planning beforehand, even if the king doesn't listen, is going to help you a lot.
Something like wait for Ganondorf to ride out of castle town after Zelda, and have a magical trap laid for him. Incapacitate him, and bring him to the castle as prisoner while trying to negotiate with the Gerudo for an end to hostility.
The difficult thing I keep running into is that while you have a good chance of stopping Ganondorf from successfully getting the three stones, you opposing him, lengthening his timeline to victory, and generally making his life more difficult has a good chance of starting a real traditional war.
@@WasatchWind dang, didnt think of that
@@WasatchWind “Incapacitate him” dude Ganondorf is 7’2” and has magic powers, imagine if Shaq could fire energy balls out of his palms
"The worse case is that they force you into the woods" THATS A DEATH SENTENCE! We presumably aren't given a fairy(though link isn't kokiri and he gets one so you might be given one if you get the triforce of courage), so we turn into a stalfos if we get lost in the lost woods. Though, the Kokiri probably wouldnt kill us, so we would be fine
7:22 how am I gonna pay the carpenters to build my house? Well you see, I’ll smash pots for a living.
in the absence of a living hero, the triforce of courage shatters into 8 peices. Two games in the series have the plot of a yougn link gathering 8 peices from a shattered triforce, and the reason its shattered in wind waker is because adult link left that timeline, and no longer existed in that world, so it shattered.
Maybe you can do what Link does in the child timeline and snitch on Ganondorf by letting the King know that he killed the Deku Tree, put a parasite into Jabu Jabu, and is starving the Gorons.
The only problem would be getting the King's attention and willingness to hear you out. If he listens, then Ganondorf is caught, executed, and Hyrule is safe far longer than a long human lifespan.
This would probably lead to a similar world to the Child Timeline, except the Hero of Twilight wouldn't exist, which kind of screws over the events of Twilight Princess. Also, Termina would be destroyed unfortunately.
We do know the secret Zelda's lullaby so we could get some credibility.
Also we could warn the Happy mask salesman.
One thing about Ganondorf is you also need the Ocarina of Time and to play the Song of Time to get to the Triforce. If Zelda/The Royal Family keeps the Ocarina of Time safe, or even destroy it out of desperation, Ganondorf's plans are screwed.
That and at least for 50% of the population (like me), you could just join the Gerudo and then be set into safety.
Ganondorf wins? The group you joined gets to have a pretty good time. Ganondorf never gets the triforce? Hey, he made an alliance with the king of Hyrule so things are going to look pretty good too!
@@rheokalyke367 I don't think Gerudo let outsiders join, woman or not. Link was just a formality, even. Besides, that also means you'd live in the desert, which is way worse off.
Considering what happened to Lorule when their Triforce was destroyed, getting rid of the Triforce would likely lead to just as many issues.
@@MultiCool55 I meant destroying the Ocarina of Time, not the Triforce.
Ganon could just enter the temple by brute forcing to it
There are definitely vegetables in Hyrule. Even beyond the magic beans and Deku nuts, when you ride on a horse you can feed it carrots, so those are definitely available.
honestly I like to imagine that the really fast day night cycle in oot tries to make you imagine how far apart the settlements really are despite actual gameplay scale, like I could imagine it taking at least a day's worth of a trek to get from the forest to castle town, sounds reasonable to me.
Something else worth mentioning is that there are a lot of giant awful monsters that Link normally takes care of, but what happens if he's gone?
What does Ghoma, and more importantly, her giant clutch of eggs and offspring do after the deku tree dies?
What does King Dodongo do after the gorons all starve? Does he stay in the mountain or cause havoc in kakariko?
Does the water situation change when Jabu Jabu turns into Jabu Jabus giant parasite riddled corpse?
And that's just the first three bosses.
I love how cozy these videos are. Being able to explore these games' worlds in a new light just fills me with nostalgia. I'd love to see stuff like this done with more Zelda games, especially with like Twilight Princess.
I wonder what the Hyrulians will think of the elongated and tall human that suddenly appeared?
Well the Hylians look fairly human, and in other parts of the Zelda universe, the humans have rounded ears. You could easily get away with saying you're from Labrynna or something.
This of course begs the rules of this experiment, of if upon entering Ocarina of Time, a more real expanded universe comes into existence.
You'd be the only one made of more than 200 triangles!
Humans are a thing in Hyrule. The Ordonians are normal humans. They probably live mostly outside of Hyrule.
@@Sauraen I feel like given the scenario of "can you survive" it implies that the world becomes more real. People are flesh and blood, they eat things - if you need to eat so should they.
I feel like it should operate this way unless you're in a game that makes big departures from reality.
hyrulians are humans, theyre just a race not an entirely different species lol
It's important to note that when the Triforce splits, the pieces don't go toward whoever already possesses their qualities, but whoever desires each quality the most. Link being absent from the world and no longer seeking to prove his courage since he's watching TH-cam on your couch means he's disqualified now. Since you want to survive in Hyrule above all else, it's only fair that you get the Triforce of Courage.
Since the only person who can draw the master sword is now gone, Ganondorf likely won't be able to reach the tri-force.
We do actually have a pretty neat measure of how big the "real" Hyrule would be, the sun. Link is literally running from dawn til dusk in game in-game and while that is not possible irl it feels fairly safe to assume that in he's at least in a brisk pace for most of the day. We see that the time it takes to get from Kokiri Forest to Castle Town is juuuuust about a full day of ingame time in a reasonably straight line. A person traveling at a fast pace on foot can walk for about 30 miles in a day so we can reasonably assume it'd be just about 30 miles from the entrance to Kokiri Forest to the Hyrule Castle town gates. Now we just use that scale for all of Hyrule and we'll have a rough estimation.
I do want to add in the child timeline where gannon doesn't get the triforce he just invades with his army the usual way
Right. He may take over Hyrule, but he doesn't have godlike power.
This is a top tier series, I can *definitely* see this continue to get bigger as you continue to get better at making it.
I would team up with the guy that was making a bomb , to make a gun to shoot the Ganon
I'd try looking for Morshu in Hyrule, he must be somewhere there, hiding. Because he has lamp oil, ropes, bombs, I want, and it's mine as long as I have enough rupees.
@@FullAutoWitch brilliant
@@FullAutoWitch Nice idea
*Morshu trying to explain something gif playing*
The Ganon
As for rupees reappearing in the grass, there's a Watsonian explanation for it that makes it legitimate. They're placed there by the Minish.
In the absence of Link we've seen the Triforce of Courage split into several fragments that then the Hero has to collect and reassemble. See the original Zelda and also Wind Waker where those Link's are technically not part of the Hero's bloodline, so they're forced to gather up the fragments themselves
I'm definitely gonna try out some bottled fish lol. I hope Cuccoo lay eggs as often as real chickens as well.
Why settle with bottle fish, the fishing pond implies there are some 20lb fish in the water, just not seen in the other parts of the game for game reasons.
@@aienma6660 A pound of fish (or less) is a hearty meal, in my experience. If we assume a conservative 15 pounds of that 20 pound fish is edible, that's 15 meals, or 5 days. Basically a week. 👌
@@benjaminoechsli1941 And it wouldnt be that hard to catch... I mean, young link can pull in those beasts of fishes, so a full grown man/woman can do the same.
My Ganon solution: retrieve the kokiri's emerald from the Great Deku Tree, the safest sacred stone to get, and then go into hiding.
Assuming Ganon doesnt have some magical sense for detecting the stones, you could just hide it, and nobody would know. He never gets into the sacred realm, and the world never goes post apocalypse.
not very safe for a normal human to fall hundreds of feet just to break through a spider web i dont think, also the deku tree would have to trust you in the first place to give the stone to you, he didn't raise you since you were a baby like link
He'd probably engage in more mundane methods of conquest. I dunno how well you could hide from him sweeping an army of monsters across the land murdering and pillaging their way through anyone that resists.
I've got an even easier solution: let him get the Stones, play the Song to open the door, and... be absolutely powerless to break the seal on the Sacred Realm by drawing the Master Sword, a blade evil hearts can't even touch, much less wield.
I would simply bury it in the most random spot in existence
Ganondorf would need the ocarina to open the door too.
You would focus on getting a home and living a life in hyrule.
I would focus on my journey to defeat ganondorf and become the hero of legend.
We are not the same.
>Resetting save files and stopping time by going indoors to stop Ganondorf is non-diagetic, but resetting grass for infinite money and all other n64isms are just how the world works
If this was on Oneyplays, they'd have a shouting match about each one of these rulings
😭This whole series idea is basically a Zach hypothetical, I can't believe it. I could totally imagine him asking Tomar if he could survive in some random ass game they're playing and how he'd get food and fight off monsters.
The answer to who gets the Triforce of Courage is actually solved in Cadence of Hyrule.
Link still would. And he'd be taken back to Hyrule by it.
The Triforce was needed while Ganon was still a child, so Link got the Triforce of Courage, Zelda got the Triforce of Wisdom... and Cadence from Crypt of the NecroDancer got the Triforce of Power, and she was pulled into the Legend of Zelda world to help the other 2.
Or it could be given to Link (the goron)
I love the idea that link just reappears in the world with you and you have to explain that you’re kinda stuck there.
Huh, that's super interesting? Never played Cadence of Hyrule.
Kinda makes me think each part of the triforce has their own special "contengency" in place for if it's displaced from the world. In WW they have to make a completely new hero due to a lack of the spirit of the hero, and usually Ganon doesn't wait around for that to come in many games. Yet in Cadence of Hyrule they straight up go- "yeah, uh here's your temporary teiforce of power for this threat💀".
The only irreversible one would probably be if Zelda's bloodline were to end, since from what I recall the triforce of wisdom is tied particularly to that.
@@UncreativePFAt this point most of Hyrule should be related to her unless the royal family is INCREDIBLY inbred.
Gannon: I was told a hero would come to stop me, is that you?
Me: I guess…
Gannon: do you have like a sword or magic to use?
Me: I have a construction license.
Gannon:…..can you at least play an ocarina?
Me: what the hells an ocarina?
Gannon: ok I’m going home, my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined. (Rides away)
Me:…what a jerk.
My man! 🤝
As someone who works in home renovation, my first thought this video was "Enh, I'll just go get hired by the Kakariko guy. He clearly could use another hand."
@@benjaminoechsli1941 yea construction is hard but it comes with his own rewards by being able to make things with your own hands.
Gannon: hey umm sorry for being rude I was just disappointed is all.
“Yea I see from your perspective being the king of evil is all.”
Gannon: yea so I guess I can’t rule now…..meaning I might need a job.
“Oh umm ok do you have a construction license?”
Gannon: No
“Have you ever worked in construction before?”
Gannon: No, but I do have magic.
“Do you have a criminal record?”
Gannon:…….Noooo
“Yea I don’t think we can hire you buddy, maybe you can find employment at Lon Lon ranch.”
Gannon:………ok…(rides away)……jerk.
Love that he's too disappointed to even kill you. He figures leaving you alive is the worst punishment. He can't possibly do any worse to you.
Solution for low Safety: Just work for Ganondorf
He's evil in the sense that he wants to rule the world, but if you go off of wind waker Lore, he just wants a better life for his people.
Even taking that motivation out of the equation, the world doesn't actually get THAT much worse with Ganondorf in charge. Well it gets worse for the Kokiri, Zora, and Gorons. But for Hylians it doesn't change that much. Everyone moves from Castle Town to Kakriko, which would be at most a day of travel.
AND! When ganondorf takes over, all the Skeletons in Hyrule Field disappear.
The biggest worry about be it turning into Wind Waker's flooded world due to no Hero of Courage.
Dont confuse his nostagia and regrets in wind waker with actual care of his people. He went against their values by attacking women and children with his bands of thieves, mind controlled those who opposed him and left the gerudo to rot in the desert once he took over Hyrule and didn't need them anymore.
Kakariko also gets "destroyed" by Bongo Bongo as a result of Ganondorf's actions. If we're talking about a scenario where the door of time was still opened, that's one of the least safe places to be (besides maybe Goron City)
Ganondorf: "Evans! Where's that package delivery?"
"Um, I don't know, sir."
Ganondorf: "You know what this means, right?"
"The gap between dimensions again, sir? Maybe if you'd stop sending people there, we wouldn't be having this probl---"
Counterpoint: WW Ganondorf is A LOT more mature than OoT Ganondorf. He lost, he learns from his loss, and he's had THOUSANDS of years of being sealed to contemplate his defeat orchestrated by the goddesses, and his motivations. And having been sealed a second time between OoT and WW.
OoT Ganondorf hasn't any of that. He's a king riding high on power and conquest.
That's the same reason why TP Ganondorf isn't as wise as WW Ganondorf. He NEVER lost to Link, He never faced real defeat, therefore he can't learn from it, and instead of thousands of years contemplating his loss and motivations, he instead has thousands of years of rage. He wasn't beaten by a hero sent by the goddesses, he was beaten by a king who didn't fall for his false allegiance. He wasn't sealed by the sages awakened by the goddesses, he was executed by the old sages, and awakened to power, resulting in him being sealed in the twilight realm.
That's why TP Ganondorf makes the exact same mistakes as OoT Ganondorf. He's learned nothing, and is the same man from OoT MO wise.
he wanted better for himself, not for his people
The hummingbird's wings blurred while it eagerly sipped the sugar water from the feeder.
Another thing to consider is plumbing. I mean of course you can shit anywhere in Hyrule, but the fact that no one seems to use indoor plumbing in-shelter, nor there being like a public bathhouse where you can keep yourself clean might make hygiene a little difficult, as well as possible disease due to lack of sanitation. For something like that, you might be better off in Termina.
"Traversibility" would be absolutely interesting for a game like Minecraft. Sure, Steve can jump up blocks half his height just fine, but you? I'd be tuckered out after climbing a small hill. And how would mining blocks affect your own stamina? Even creating a hole in the ground that's the size of a Minecraft block can take about 30 minutes to an hour.
Not to mention getting slapped by zombies
you wanna forget about politics in hyrule? when you've just spent minutes talking about the king of evil?
Listen, that's not morals or politics, when he is literally THE "EVIL KING" GANONDORF, we can pretty objectively say he's not good without much debate.
@@mr.personalspace7831naming fallacy 💀
@@mr.personalspace7831Just wait until you're trying to convince people he's evil, and they accuse you of being prejudiced against Gerudo 💀
@@WasatchWind HE FROZE ZORA'S DOMAIN
@mr.personalspace7831 correction, he freezes Zora's domain.
As far as hyrule is concerned Ganondorf is a King trying to swear fealty to hyrule after losing a war. Most people have no idea he's *objectively* evil.
This is an incredible concept for a series and I absolutely love it. Hope to see many more episodes!
Some things to remember:
• Ganondorf probably couldn't open the Door of Time. We don't know if killing a Spiritual Stone's keeper will reveal it, Zelda could keep the Ocarina safe since she did a great job of hiding for 7 years, and he probably couldn't draw the Master Sword.
• Even if he can't access the Sacred Realm, Ganondorf is still able to conquer Hyrule. That's the whole reason Zelda flees after the 3rd dungeon.
• You may be able to save Hyrule without fighting. If you can get an audience with the king, you, the mysterious otherworldly stranger, could possibly use your knowledge of Zelda lore to expose Ganondorf's plot. That's basically what Link does at the end of the game.
• Being a human wouldn't make you stand out. Some humans in Zelda have pointy ears, in which case they're called Hylians, and some don't. All that'd make you stand out is your lack of polygons.
The issue with replacing Link as a human is, unless you're actually a child, there is a good chance you're already screwed. Even by taking the "Ocarina of Time as-is" aspect and thus ignore outside media about what happens to adults getting too deep into the woods, it will nonetheless make the Deku Tree go "How did you slip past my magic radar?" and depending on how things goes, that can go badly. The best hope is the Deku Tree noticing that there is something unique about "human-replacing-Link(tm)", but that has a good chance that person would be loaded with big responsibility. Nevermind that the Deku Tree is bound to die within the first day of arriving in the world, which will negatively affect the safety of the world (and give Ganondorf a free jewel).
Castle Town is realistically the only place any of us would be in any actual danger. You'd have a monster in the village, but that guy lives in a hole no one goes in, so like, we're all probably good.
New favorite series! I've put a lot of thoughts in this myself over the years and many games. Can't wait for the next one
I'm enjoying this series - and I like how you spelled out the assumptions so clearly. The only criticism is that tallying up all the points at the end doesn't tell you much - 3s across the board average to the same as all 1s and 5s, but those are very different prospects.
You could have a Perfectly safe, enjoyable world, with 0 potable water, and so get a fantastically high rating for somewhere you'd last less than a week.
We need an actual game based on this concept of surviving in a game world.
You are important enough to ask and you are blessed enough to receive back.
"Hey, I come from a world where all of you are characters from a book (videogame would be to hard to explain), and Ganondorf is hiding something."
Problem solved
You can encounter schizos saying this in real life already.
There are only a few characters who won't think you're crazy for saying that: Caepora Gaebora (the owl), Zelda, and the Deku tree. What could they do?
@@johnpett1955 My rounded ears would stick out enough to at least consider the possibility that i'm from another world
@@rlira8072 The Gerudo people have rounded ears in Ocarina of Time, so it's still pretty far-fetched imo. It's not like having rounded ears makes you undeniably from another world. Especially when we consider that there are places outside of Hyrule in the series.
@@johnpett1955 We ventured out of Hyrule in The Legend of Zelda 2 and they have pointy ears. And about the Gerudo, a male Gerudo is born every 100 and the current one is Ganon, so if you're not ginger, that should rule you out.
Carrots are implied to exist by Epona's dash command, so ya got one vegitable technically.
As for meat only diets the Inuit people across the arctic have survived on a meat only diet for a very long time, but IDK if the vitamins available in seals, bears, and whales are available in just cows and chickens.
I think adding bottled fish and bugs into the mix would get you there. In addition to the Deku seeds/nuts and potential other edible plants/fungi. We know mushrooms exist too (odd mushroom) and you'd also have plenty of Lon Lon milk to drink
Don't forget about the magic bean guy eating those beans lol. On top of that, the scientist at the Lake Hylia laboratory mentions something about wanting to eat eyeball frogs lmao.
To spin the speculative yarn of food availability in a real-time and scale Hyrule, I'm literally diving into a HUD element so bear with me.
If you were to have a pack of all the typical adventuring equipment, bottles and junk, being entrusted with Epona in the adult timeline seems to indicate that she eats from a supply of carrots you keep on hand. This is just the symbol used for sprinting (unlike spurs in Twilight Princess), if we translate the fricken _sprint distance_ from in game time and space to real world proportions it's logical that these carrots do grant Epona the energy to gallop faster over longer periods. And if we fully hinge on this idea of carrots being a tangible resource then the amount of time to regain sprints is the amount of time it would take to forage for carrots, which seem readily available anywhere in the overworld Epona has access to (which are just travel regions with fast forwarding time).
Combine the assumption of wild carrots growing in abundance across Hyrule with milk, eggs, and steaks, we've almost got a food pyramid to choose from. Unless, of course, we are just sitting in a kilometer long stretch of flat polygons watching the sun pass every four minutes, but that lacks fantasy.
overall a decent video, but i feel like a different approach would've made it more interesting, such as a realistic one.
for example, it takes about half a day to walk from lost woods to the market, which would put the distance at about 15 or so miles, which seems a reasonable scale. it takes about a day and a half or two days to climb death mountain, which makes it about a 60 mile hike or so.
secondly, there is plenty of evidence of various food items. yes there are plenty of fish and cows, but we also know that fried frog eyes are viewed a delicacy by some. who knows what else exists in this world, and considering the animals eat plants, so could humans. for example, carrots can be seen in the stable of lon lon ranch. we also know there is great respect for animals, with a holiday dedicated to paying respect for animals used for human purposes, like medicines.
as far as housing goes, there is a lot. just going through the back alley we see many buildings. the carpenters in kakariko were hired by impa with the vision of building an entire city. not to mention when villagers flee to kakariko, more beds are placed in some buildings.
finally, i am fully confident ganondorf would be taken care of. link is the only one who is able to grant him access to the sacred realm because of the stones. each society refuses to give ganondorf, and he doesnt appear to use force to get them, probably because he knows if he kills everyone, there wont be much to rule in that country. jabu jabu disappears sometime withing the seven years, and the zoras do fine without him. the great deku tree is reincarnated. gorons can survive off of other rocks, and they once killed greater dodongos, im sure they could take care of king dodongo.
finally, to build off my last point. in the timeline where link defeats ganon and is sent back to his time, he warns zelda, and ganondorf doesnt even get a chance, so it is possible ganondorf doesnt get a chance to inact his plan.
i believe this would be a fantastic world to live in, not to mention it is only one country, with termina existing. this period of hyrule would be great to live in. everyone is united after a terrible civil war, and at least you wont be there for the great flood, or events of twilight princess. oot hyrule is peak, and no matter where you decide to live, you probably have a pretty good life.
if you read all this, im impressed, wnd thank you for taking time out of your day. let me know if i missed anything or am completely wrong.
Headed straight to the Lost Woods.
Yes... call me Stalfos.
We made it Momma.
Great episode! Certainly living in Hyrelu would be pretty doable. I was gonna ask for Majora's Mask when I was reminded about the three day ending catastrophe, which most certainly eliminates any persona that doesn't have a magical ocarina and know the song of time.
I think that one of the better Zeldas to live in is Wind Waker. Civilization isn't in an amazing place, but hey, you're on a bunch of tropical islands. Ganondorf also is a lot more low key in this game, so you could perhaps ignore him.
If you wanted to, you could even go so far as to lead the canonical expedition to New Hyrule, and leading the founding of a new nation. Hard to find many long term projects in a game that would be as fulfilling as that.
I think the hardest thing though with Wind Waker would be the sudden disappearance of Link. Suddenly he's gone, everyone is sad, and then his sister is kidnapped. Pretty crappy situation.
I prefer the Isekai premise then of you just dropping in, and nothing else has changed.
That being said, if you were given the ocarina but none of the other items/abilities, it would be a very interesting case. In terms of resources and safety, it's pretty similar to OoT, but what would be the psychological effect of experiencing the same three days over and over again for the rest of your life? Building relationships with people becomes impossible, since they forget about you at the start of each cycle
Not really if there's no Link to stop Ganondorf. Ganondorf isn't just going to leave Kakariko Village the way it is.
0:52 thank you for putting a smile on my face, i needed that
I am surprised you never bothered to also look at the OOT 3D remake, I am pretty sure I saw some vegetables at a market stall.
6:46 I JUST saw vegetables in that farm!
Combination of survival and impossible wacky situations. Really makes me sad that I can't go and try to experience and test myself in it. But the genre is my new favorite.
Basically it would be like a rune factory game living in the Zelda world.
Eating chickens, he says... That's a mistake you only make once in Hyrule.
There is no Colonel Saunders in this world... The only one who tried became the character of a scary campfire story
12:11 remember Ganondorf would have to pull the master sword to get to the sacred realm and he’s definitely not worth enough to do that
Ganandorf would have to become a good person
Glad to see more of this series 😁
First thing I’m doing is getting kidnapped by a gerudo
And then Link, from the comfort of his new couch, deletes the save file the player was trapped inside and vanquishes them from existence
1:10 "no abusing glitches"
So you're telling me I can't spend 20 minutes fiddling around with a boomerang and a bottle to turn Ganondorf into a fish 😢
Or 9 minutes carrying invisible rocks through loading screens to get ACE... Hmm, if you brought TASBot with you into the world, how would you plug him into the controller ports?
That's when you get Kid Link to play the game and do it. 🧠
It's a tough balancing act with the idea of resources. Concessions have ro be made one way or another and I feel like you've settled on something that makes sense, but there are plenty of other valid ways to examine it.
For example, in this video, we've assumed that
1: NPCs wouldn't need food, and
2: NPC creatures such as cows, horses, and chickens would have nutritional value
I'm okay with the conclusions drawn from that, but looking at this scenario from another perspective involves incongruities. Do the horses, cows, chickens, etc need to eat? If not, what are they made of that makes them provide nutritional value? If we flipped this and claimed that all NPCs would need to eat as soon as we arrived, would our arrival bring turmoil to the world? If correlation was discovered between this dynamic change and our presence, would we be hated?
If we go back to us being the only being that needs to eat, and we examine the farm animals again, we also have to contend with the fact that the game doesn't normally have any need to re-spawn them (aside from cuccos--more on that next), because they're never supposed to be defeated. Would the game make another script call to spawn all the horses and cows back in when you return after slaughtering any of them? Cuccos can never be defeated either. They're invincible, and trying to eat them puts your life in serious jeopardy. You might even be able to temporarily neutralize Ganon with them if you can safely trick him into attacking one.
All of this is just food for thought though. You obviously can't even begin to consider the logistics of living in a game world unless the game's assets and environments are translated into realistic analogues to some degree, but going for complete realism makes most of these worlds fall apart. If we go for no concessions, we have a world so incongruent from our own that our very existence there is quite impossible. If we go for "complete" realism, then all of the water would eventually find itself over the side of the limited map, and we'd have no guarantee a flat, segmented world could even maintain an atmosphere. I think you've drawn a decent line on where to balance everything.
Yeah I've definitely thought about this. At the end of the day, I kinda just don't think about it too hard hahaha. I could spend a couple minutes talking about the food chain and how everything is supplied, but I don't think anyone wants to hear that. It's like answering a kid's question, and then they say "Why?", so you answer that and they ask "Why?" again. You could go down a never ending spiral like that. I just gotta call it at some point and make some core assumptions.
@@PretzelYTI feel like the best strategy for the future is considering what exists in canon. Carrots appear on Epona's stamina meter, so I think it's reasonable that you could obtain carrots.
I perhaps favor a too liberal interpretation of this however, as I'd say you can visit other kingdoms like Labrynna, because they exist in the canon.
Two things you forgot to consider:
About food: there are also a few monsters that looks edible. Since the game doesn't have any poison damage mechanic, I guess none of the giant insects or plants would be a problem. Also no signs of our real world diseases existing in Hyrule, so there's that too. Some seem to be sentient, so i wouldn't cross that line. But of course, hunting them is risky.
About Ganondorf: we can do just like what Link did at the end of the game, simply inform Zelda about him, and of course explain our situation and how we know what happens in the future
Actually we can even tell the Happy Mask Salesman to be aware of Skull Kid, and maybe even befriending him so we could also save Termina and maybe visit there too
There’s also the fact that without Link in the picture, Ganondorf wouldn’t be able to remove the Master Sword from its pedestal and so wouldn’t be able to access the Sacred Realm in the first place
I assume the water flows to Lake Hylia, gets turned into rain, and gets delivered back up to Zora's Fountain. When it gets frozen, you just get tasty ice water!
Assuming there aren't crops (there probably are thought somewhere) you could still find herbs with tasty nutritions. Also you cannot tell me the deku scrubs aren't full of vitamins