Honda Forza 300 (2014-2015) - FINAL DRIVE Oil Check, Drain and Fill - Step by Step Instructions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- This is a detailed step-by-step video instruction on checking, draining and refilling the final drive oil on a 2014/2015 Honda Forza 300 scooter (and adjacent years). The final drive is the last set of gears that connect a vehicle's engine to the driving axle. The final drive contains oil to keep these gears lubricated, and over time the oil will break down and need to be replaced. In this video we show every step of the check and replacement process. Below you will also find all details including parts and part numbers and torque settings.
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Video chapter markers:
0:06 Where is the final drive and recommended maintenance interval
0:28 Check out Description for full details
0:50 Tools needed for this job
1:03 Part 1 - Check final drive oil level and top off (add) if needed
3:42 Part 2 - Drain final drive oil and refill with new oil
8:22 Close this episode - thanks for watching!
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Tools needed:
Socket wrench
Socket: 12mm
Torque wrench for 10 and 13 Nm
Hex wrench bit: H5
Container (for capturing final drive oil)
Rags for clean up
Small fill bottle w/ rubber hose (optional - fill hole is tight!)
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Parts and supplies needed:
Honda 10W-30 HP4M Oil (PN 08232-M99-K0BA1) - about 0.3L
HONDA WASHER (8MM) (if needed) (PN 90474-333-000) x3
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Torque values
Final drive level check, fill and drain bolts (12mm socket) - 13 Nm (9.6 ft-lb)
Final drive cover screws (H5 hex bit) - 10 Nm (7.4 ft-lb)
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I appreciate you not over talking and getting right to the reason I clicked on this to learn and it was very helpful
@garyteague9555 - Thank you for watching and commenting!
2:30 You could remove the lower shock mounting bolt and swing the shock up out of the way to provide more clearance. Thanks for the video.
@1966johnnywayne - You are correct, I should have mentioned that in my video. I was trying to take the easy way out. I noticed that's how the Honda service team does it as well. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
You were a big help. I made it much more difficult than it needed to be.
@jeffreyhurst9552 - Great to hear. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for taking your time to share 👍
@Jamie Quigg - My pleasure, and thanks for taking the time to comment, it is appreciated!
Very clear, step by step instruction. Very professional 👍🇦🇺
@wesleycardinal8869 - Hey, thank you very much for binge watching my videos, it is appreciated! And thank you for the nice comments. Cheers! 🍻
@@zooskifilms I just bought a Forza 300, so will be doing a lot of this servicing myself. The thanks is all in your direction 🙏
@@wesleycardinal8869 - 👍🛵🙏
thanks for the nice video. With greetings from Belgium Europe
@jamesbondie4645 - Thank you for watching and commenting! Belgium beers are best in the world. Hope to make it there one day! Cheers.
Picking up my 2015 Forza from the dealer at the weekend. It will be fully serviced which is almost a disappointment as your videos make servicing almost a fun event.
@Richard Wells - how are you liking your Honda Forza? Don'y worry, it will be time soon enough, to do that maintenance! Hope you're out on a ride now!
@@zooskifilms I'm absolutely loving the Forza thanks. Having been a 'big' bike rider I found my hips were giving me gip getting my leg over and rather than give up riding tried the Forza being step through. Oh yes 🙂 Done about 5k miles so far and now planning to tour Brittany France in the Spring.
@@TheAncientBiker - Excellent! Just finished a 3-day trip here in Thailand, logging in just over 500 miles. We were riding two-up, and through some tricky road conditions. The Forza handled everything without issue. Have a great trip over to Brittany France!
Super, thank you very much.
@CamperSascha - Thank you for watching and commenting, it is appreciated!
@@zooskifilms I see that you are looking at the comments. Is it normal for the NSS300 that the rear wheel is quite stiff compared to other scooters? I opened the rear gear box and replaced the bearings. I noticed that the bearings on the middle gear axle have quite a lot of play. Even the new ones. Do you know what diameter the axle in the bearings needs to have? 😁
Thank you!
@ion-danielpopa2025 - You're welcome, thanks for watching!📺
I really appreciate your videos. Very clear and easy to follow. I'm clueless, and would be completely lost without your videos.
So besides engine oil and final drive oil, are there any other oils that need routine changing? I noticed (at about 1:09 in your video) right above the final drive and just in front of the rear shock, there is a clear tube containing some kind of lubricant. I'm guessing it must be important if Honda wanted it to be seen so clearly.
Many thanks!!!
Never mind, I found it in the service manual. It's the "crankcase breather drain plug." Apparently it collects engine phlegm, until we get a chance to drain it. FYI, mine looks much clearer than yours - but I currently only have 600 miles.
Okay, changed the final drive oil today. Your video made it go smooth. Amazing how professional this video was. Many thanks!!!
FYI, I ended up removing the lower mounting bolt to the left rear shock - in order to swing the shock back and get to the drive oil filler bolt. Torqued the 14mm shock mounting bolt 39N-m.
@@OkieBobby - Yeah, sorry for the delay, was traveling out of country and didn't have a lot of time to answer comments. Anyway, glad to hear you sorted everything and were able to change the FD oil. And yes, that crankcase breather drain plug does need to be checked and drained when full. My Forza in the States fills up with oil but not the one in Thailand. The only things that I can attribute that to is, 1 - I put too much engine oil in the one in the States, or 2 - I drive at much higher speeds in the US vs in Thailand. I would say average max speed in Thailand is about 60 mph (100 kph) in Thailand vs 70-75mph (113-120kph) in the States. There may be a bit more pressure in the crankcase at the higher speeds. And glad to hear you removed that lower shock mount bolt for the re-fill, I should have mentioned that as an alternate option, I would say makes the fill up much easier! I would say the only other fluid change that's needed would be in the front shocks after 8-10 years or so. I'll have to put together a video on that sooner than later. Hope you're enjoying the Forza, I know I certainly am!
Hey I have a question how would I get the front tire off what tool would I need
@tyronecarr5312 - Hey - you would need a 17mm hex drive bit to get the front wheel off. I'll add this to my list of videos to-do this summer! I posted a photo of this tool on my Channel's Community tab if you want to see it. Hope this helps!
thank you for the vids , do you have one for belt replacement ?
@MOTOMIKE GOES - unfortunately I don’t yet. I have one on my list of to-do’s on changing out the pulleys which would include the belt change. I might break the belt one out into its own video and see if I can produce that one sooner than later. Thanks for the request!
Why do you use 10w30 engine oil for the disk drive? Isn’t this a mistake or is it normal? We use another oil, different from 75w90, from AMS Oil. I hope you can explain this matter to me.
@Al_Sindhi - That is the recommended oil from the Honda Forza service manual. It shows Pro Honda HP4M SAE 10W30 (API service SG or higher), which include moly additives. This is the same oil for the engine. Hope this helps!
Thanks for the movie. I have honda forza 300 2019 and prepare to change oil in the gear. Engine oil 10W30 is good for it, or maybe should I use gear oil, and what kind of gear oil is the best solution?
@cezzar - Oh, sorry, I could not find much information on what gear oil is needed for the final drive on a 2019 Forza 300. I would check with your Honda dealer and ask them for a recommendation. If there is a specific gear oil for your year Forza, that would be what you should use. If nothing is available, then 10W30 could be used.
@Kanon Mimosa - Thanks for the tip! I've been looking for something more easily available in my area and not have to pay for shipping. Thanks again!!
Thanks for the video. I change the oil several times, but the head of the drain bolt deformed. I couldn’t take it out. Do you have any solution for this?
@quangnguyenduc8862 - There are stripped bolt wrenches available, one of which is this one. Also order a new drain bolt. capritools.com/shop/bolt-extractor-combination-wrenches-sae/
Thank you!😃
I have a 2016 Forza, think I have a final drive belt, no mention of final drive oil in Forza booklet specs.
@CACTUS48 - Unfortunately nothing in the booklet, but there is mention in the service manual. I posted the page showing all of the maintenance items and schedule in my Community tab on my channel: th-cam.com/users/zooskifilmscommunity
Hope this helps!
Have you had any issue with the blue backlight illuminating the odometer? Mine went from fully lit to half lit and now rarely lights up at all. I can find anything online about this problem on the NSS300
@zed ned - No issue on my side. I checked the service manual and it appears that the backlight is built-into the "combination meter" (cluster). I could not find any replacement bulb online for it. If you're adventurous you could try opening up the cluster and see if you can find a replacement bulb. Potentially it could be the wiring, you can check the voltage at pin 18 (+) and pin 6 (-), on the connector behind the cluster, should be around 12VDC. I plan on making a video on how to remove all the panels and fairings, and could have a closer look at it then, when I have everything apart. Plan on working on that in the next few months, as time allows. Hope this helps!
Νice and informative video, but probably his engine burns oil and needs repair. It smokes
@nick the big - LOL, that smoke looks bluish in the video but it's definitely condensation burning off as water vapor. It was cool that day. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
Hello, can i ask why you top up the final drive oil before emptying it all ?
@problemslayer3538 - Sorry for the delay! This video has two parts, the first part is only checking the final drive level. I added fluid until it came out the overflow hole. That was not the drain hole. The second part was a complete drain and refill of fluid level. I do two parts based on the Forza maintenance schedule which states to change the fluid every two years, but I like to also check it once a year. Hope this helps!
@problemslayer3538 - Sorry for the delay! This video has two parts, the first part is only checking the final drive level. I added fluid until it came out the overflow hole. That was not the drain hole. The second part was a complete drain and refill of fluid level. I do two parts based on the Forza maintenance schedule which states to change the fluid every two years, but I like to also check it once a year. Hope this helps!
I’m off topic here but you’ve covered a lot of things on the Forza. I have no tail light or license plate light. I do have brake lights. The owners manual instructions didn’t make sense. How do I remove the rear taillight to check it? Must I remove body panels? Thanks in advance.
@jeffreyhurst9552 - You might be able to get to the license plate light without having to take off the rear side panels, but it looks like you need to remove them to access the tail lights (same assembly with brake and turn signal lights). You can find my email on my channel page, in the description just below my channel name at the top of the page (just to the right of my channel photo). I can email you the related pages from the service manual. Send me a note there. Cheers!
@@zooskifilms are the brake lights and taillights on the same fuse?
@@jeffreyhurst9552 - I just emailed you some details. From the wiring diagram they look to be on separate fuses.
Can you use the same oil that is use in the engine pls
@user-sg4fp7rv2y - Yes, that is correct for the 2014-2016 Forza. If you have a newer model I would check that with your dealer or online. The assumption is that you are using Honda 10W-30 HP4M Oil. If you are not using this specific oil then be sure to check the oil you are using has moly in it. If not you can purchase the moly additive and add to the oil you are using. Hope this helps!
@user-sg4fp7rv2y - Yes, that is correct for the 2014-2016 Forza. If you have a newer model I would check that with your dealer or online. The assumption is that you are using Honda 10W-30 HP4M Oil. If you are not using this specific oil then be sure to check the oil you are using has moly in it. If not you can purchase the moly additive and add to the oil you are using. Hope this helps!
When you refil the engine oil, does it also fil the final drive ?
@problemslayer3538 - No, they are separate and have their own drain and fill holes. I show the location and go through the process in the video.
@zooskifilms alright buddy thanks for your efforts with getting these videos up, they are helpful. Some good choices out there now for an upgrade, new forza 300, 350, adv 350 and xmax300 but I just can't seem to let go of my 2016 forza 😄
@@problemslayer3538 - Haha, me too. I do love my Forza. The Honda X-ADV 750 caught my eye, but don't think it's available in the US. So sticking with the Forza 300 for now. Cheers!
Hello, just watched the video and was very helpful, just one question about oil, can I use Motul transoil 10w30 transmission fluid for my forza 350 2022 ?
@Donatas Misius - Thanks for watching! Regarding your question, I’m sure that Motul transoil would work fine in the final drive. The one Honda recommends contains MB (moly), but in this case you could add a little moly in with the Motul oil separately. Conversely, you may not want to use anything other than the Recommended Honda oil during the warranty period, just in case you need warranty work done (not sure Honda would go as far as to check the oil in that case). Point is be aware of any risk during the warranty period. In reality there isn’t much oil in that final drive, not sure it’s going to make a huge difference to have the MB, especially if you change the oil at the prescribed times. Personally I would feel comfortable using the Motul transoil with some moly added. Hope this helps!
Do you have a video on how replacing the back tire?
@Trevor Brown - I don't have one at the moment, but I just added it to the to-do list. Hope to have it completed in the next few weeks. Probably doesn't help you if you need it now. It's really not that difficult but there are some things to watch out for. Thanks again for the suggestion.
@@zooskifilms you're welcome! Unfortunately I'm replacing the tire in a week or so. But it's alright I look forward to the video!
@@trevbrown19 - Ok, understood.I'll see if I can get it done within the next week. Are you replacing the tire yourself or taking it in? Cheers!
@@zooskifilms trying to replace myself. Honda quoted me $560 for front and rear
@@trevbrown19 - Sorry, wasn't able to get it in time and I'm heading out of town. Let us know how it goes, still plan to make the video when I get back. Thanks!
Do you have video on how to change antifreeze?
@Suraj Bhandari - Not yet, but I have it on the list of videos to-do. Thanks for your vote!
I was told in service that the rear hub oil to this bike is 85W90 what do You say ?
@sprzetmoj7579 - I find that some service folk will tell/recommend what they have in stock, but in this case the Honda service manual says: Honda 10W-30 HP4M Oil (PN 08232-M99-K0BA1)
@@zooskifilms Could You please give me some idea where I can download the service manual at least for NSS300 ? Mine is NSS350AR but the construction of the most components are pretty similar.
@@zooskifilms I found service manual from old NSS300, ok
@sprzetmoj7579 - sounds good! Wish you much success!
на мф 10 есть масляный фильтр, а на 12 нет....
@shemi4444 - Thanks for your comment, but I didn't quite understand your point. Do you mean the model year 2010 vs 2012? Thank you again!
What is the diameter of the fill hole? Thanks.
@@UCacLxitDY_KAPL6RKcn4bPA - The fill hole uses an M8 bolt, so it's a 7-8mm diameter hole. Hope this helps!
can you tell us where you got the rear rack for the Forza ??? i need one for the 2023 SCOOTER CANNONBALL !!! THANK YOU in advance
@MOTOMIKE GOES - I bought that rack in Thailand and carried it back with me. Where are you located? If in the USA I don’t see a lot of good options with companies like Revzilla. You might want to consider buying from an online store in Thailand but you’ll have to consider the the shipping costs over to where you’re located. There are some general online shops in Thailand like Shopee and Lazada. Then there are more specific bike accessory shops like hellocst or webike. Hope this helps!
@@zooskifilms THANK YOU , im in San Francisco , i will reach out to my thai people ,, thank you , your vids are great
@@motomike1 - Thank you and ride safe!
what year 2020??
@alanhopkins3675 - This is a 2015 model, it's the same for 2014. I will update the model year in the Description.
how much time since last gear oil change ?
@FilipV - I never changed that final drive oil since I bought the Forza in 2016. The service manual states that oil should be changed every two years. Hope this helps!!
I'm confused. Did the guy just do the exact same thing twice or am I missing something?
@TK Diamond - LOL, yes and no. The first part was a final drive fluid check. The second part was a fluid drain and change, they are pretty similar but the second part includes removing that third drain bolt. I was waiting for someone to ask this question. Thanks for watching and the question!
@@zooskifilms Cheers. I blame beer for that one. 🍻
@@timkdiamond - Cheers 🍻🍻
After doing this process, a different sound began to be heard from my engine. While cruising, something like a groaning sound started. I use motul 80w90 gear oil.
@Alp Kaya.- Sorry to hear. How much oil did you put back in after draining? About the same? I don’t know why the noise would be coming from the engine unless it’s under strain. Difficult to say with looking at the bike. Put the bike on the center stand and spin the back wheel forward. Any abnormal sound or feel? If nothing else seems suspect then you might want to consider using the recommended oil from Honda.
What about after motul ?😊
@@zooskifilms In fact, Honda officials here do not know which oil to use. They say that when you change the engine oil, you can add the remaining 300 ml of oil. and this seems ridiculous to me because the viscosity of the 10w40 oil and the 80w90 gear oil are completely different. I don't know if the oil I put in is thick. There is no problem in acceleration, vibration or anything like that, just a noise comes from the gearbox while driving, from the lower part of the variator.
@@alpkayaaaa i have similar experience,tell me,what oil have u in right now and hear noise ?
@Alp Kaya - the Forza service manual states the following for which oil to use in the final drive: Pro Honda HP4M 4 stroke oil. With molybdenum additives. API service: AG or higher. JASO T903 standard: MB. SAE10w30. Which happens to be the same oil they recommend for the engine. Send me your email and I can send you over a photo of the section in the manual.
Why after i changed this oil there is some metal grinding noise in there ?
@Filipv - Yeah, that is it good. Put the bike on the center stand and spin the wheel forward by hand. Do you hear that noise? What type of oil did you put in? Was it about the same amount that you drained?
@@zooskifilms same amount is put in,10w30 honda oil.
Need to be replaced with Gear Transimission Oil,not with the Motor Oil...it's not the same oil
@handle1974 - Normally I would agree with you but the service manual calls for the same oil. Perhaps the moly in oil makes it gear friendly, or at least good enough. If you are doing something different would be great for the community to hear what your experience has been. Cheers!
@zooskifilms you are correct with this, the manual does say to use the same as the engine oil
@@problemslayer3538 - Cheers! 👍
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@Kelvin Moran - I didn't understand your comment, but thanks for watching!