Will this cheap Japanese diesel engine save my cat skid steer?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.พ. 2024
- I bought a cheap Isuzu diesel engine off marketplace in hopes to get it running and potentially re power my caterpillar skid steer with it.
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A few rough points I noted in the video. The pump coupler is not specific to CAT. Its a standard industry part seen in many different machines. CAT just puts their own part number on it as does every other company. Not sure what the threads are on that bung you installed in the oil pan, but usually those quick drains are either meant to seal with an o-ring or integrated seal. Also use those Harbor Freight o-ring kits as a last resort. If the factory o-ring is still feels good 99% of the time leave it be if your only alternative is the Harbor Freight seal. The factory o-rings are typically much better quality etc. The higher set idle on the Isuzu is due to it being in an air compressor. The older air compressors, especially the smaller ones didn't have much if any bypass to prevent excessive load from the air compressor building air on start up. So to help compensate they set a higher low idle speed. Almost all industrial air compressors have a higher low idle speed, the larger ones are usually designed to low idle for a few seconds first to get oil flowing.
Stop equivocating and put the damn thing in the skid steer
This is a working guys channel you can’t use words we have to look up. It’s not fair
@@daleolson3506 that means stop thinking about it and just do it.
@@daleolson3506 he made that comment sitting in his warm office
@@McFingal I think you mean "procrastinating". Equivocating: "Use ambiguous language to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself".
@@McFingal ohhh, watch out everybody we got a though guy on the internet here.
Send it. Isuzu engines are rock solid.
Lots of other people have said it but yeah its normal to have blowby on a cold engine that hasn't started in a while. Also its not really blowby its called windage there is just wind created by the pistons moving up and down, blowby is more smoky. The engine sounds strong, I think you scored on this one. Also a non turbo will be more reliable. And about the backhoe they can do anything but are bad at everything and wheel loaders are more purpose built. Maybe consider a mini excavator.
About time someone corrects him and most of the replies . that is just windage, NOT BLOWBY! that engine is in excellent condition.
Congratulation to you are your wife. I hope you're enjoying your new home. Great to see you back on TH-cam, i have missed your videos 😄.
Hey man those Isuzu engines are really good and will last a long time! I’d put it in the cat and paint it yeller. Your stressing about the blow by for no reason, when you have blow by you know it it will smoke real bad, there is air moving in the crankcase from the pistons moving up and down that is what your seeing with the oil cap moving all the engines I’ve seen like that do this, I actually think that engine has zero blow by or a very small amount because it runs great and doesn’t smoke. Blow by is oil blowing past the rings so doing a compression test will confirm this. I think you should run it it’s a much better engine than that pos Perkins
Congratulations on the successful repair. I'd run that diesel until the parts for the other engine were in. Also, don't worry about the blow-by. might be due to it sitting for so long. thirdly, if your'e running it i'd get in there and change that timing belt. good luck. alway love the videos. get 'er done!
Not a bad idea
@@BradenBuildz your engine is gear driven by the way also should be a 3.1L
@@seanscott8125 I’ve only seen the 4jb1’s some of them have timing belts and some of them run off gears. Until I look I won’t know but probably is gear driven being it came from an air compressor.
A primed oil pump is never easy to turn. Depending on operating conditions they can easily consume 10hp to operate. Avoid the oil additive crap, as there is no such thing as a mechanic in a bottle. Vent your crankcase to atmosphere but not where it will cycle the fumes through your cooling stack. Keep an eye on oil consumption. Re-pin the alternator to the CAT harness, or make an adapter, or just lop the wires off and butt connect them together. Not that complicated, and 200% more reliable than what you are contemplating with an alternator swap.
Yeah put it in the skidsteer like he said!
If that had blow-by the oil cap would have shot off across the room..
That's a very healthy Isuzu engine!
Get it in the skid steer, and keep the oil changes regular, and it will run for a long time!
Izusu are one of the best diesel engines out there run it.
Good video lad
Send it. For what you paid I think you should get your money worth out of it for a few
It’s so good to see a vid from you man!!! What’s cool is we both posted a video today at basically the same time and both on saving a old Japanese engine lol
excellent engine swap, you are very skilled!
Great to see some content again!
Put it in. It needs to be ran a few heat cycles. It will clear up, Isuzu knows how to build a small diesel engine just like Mitsubishi yanmar Kubota, etc. Japanese diesels are excellent.
Had a few larger isuzu, been around those little 1.7 lumps in various machines, we used to have them in Vauxhall cars and vans here, bit of a legendary engine.
With that engine sitting for a year or more I wouldn't be concerned one bit about the small amount of wind. I would however definitely run the overhead on it. Beings that it was an air compressor engine it probably did more idling than anything. It sounds great and normally the video camera makes sounds from an engine way worse. It's to bad you couldn't have put en elbow on factory oil drain plug and ran pipe out to wear it was more accessible. The side drain plug is going to leave quite a bit of old oil in the pan. I think you did good on that engine I would definitely send it.
If it was Blow By it would be smoke coming out of the cap, its perfectly normal to have what you have, its just where the pistons are moving up and down.
Put it in the skidsteer but dont run it for too long without water in it, you will crack or cook something.
Braden, I work for Cat not dirt movers power generation side of Cat. I say put that Isuzu in and run it. Perkins can be hard to get parts and take months to get sometimes. Also that really didn't look like blowby. Run it!
Damn it boy that's a pesky rabbit not a squirrel
Always be mindful of using Teflon tape around pumps if there is excess tape flying around you don't want it sucked up in the pump.
Your doing great .
I’ll have to keep this engine in mind. I have a 252 cat with a 3034. She’s got 6500hrs, runs mint, oil analysis reflects an engine in great health. Got awesome oil pressure. But I always worry as the 3034s don’t have a good reputation. And they are expensive as hell to replace.
I’d send it. I haven’t seen any of your other vidoes to know what you do with your skid. If it’s a personal use machine that gets a few hundred Horus a year max engine will last you a long time. If this is for a business and you put 1000hrs a year on it, an old cat is probably not the right machine.
"Got married and bought a house since last clip"
Just sort of glossed over that lil' bit, hmm? Congrats on the larger garage! Oh, and a wife!
HEY, BRADEN 😁 You have got a lot to learn. Stop goofing off and rebuild that motor to factory specks. Do it wright . Don't F it up. SAFETY FIRST DUM DUM !
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🤔OK. Do whatever you want.. BUT.. if you dont do it wright its a waste of money and time. thanks@@bradjenkins932
Some Mazda?? diesels were actually Perkins engines built under licence. The Mazda version was a popular engine swap at one time for older Landrovers where the Rover engine was worn out.
Of course the drive plate interchanges, it's an SAE flywheel. That's what they're for, "template interchange". All SAE bellhousings have the same bolt pattern in that size, all SAE flywheels have the same tooth count, bolt pattern, and friction well spec in that size. It's standardized for interchange.
Does the 3044c have the same housing?
Throw it in mate. Thats a nice strong motor.
The blow by might clean up as the rings free up !
Run what ya brung.
Could have some stuck rings from sitting, a little marvel mystery oil (1/2 Qt) in the oil and run it.
Yes,,,an old farmer's trick for small (gasoline) tractors with stuck rings from sitting was to add penetrating fluid to the sump and tow a log around in a high gear for a while....for a diesel, hard to say
#1 The Teflon tape should never be used inside an engine or hydraulic cylinders . Small pieces will eventually go through .the engine if they get caught in the filter you will be lucky if not they can plug up oil passages. If you dumped the oil before you started it up you probably would not have the sludge through out the engine. When using the glow plugs do not spray it or you burn the glow plugs out, You will see blisters on the inside of the glow plugs. No smoke coming from the crankcase blowby is very minimal.
when putting on teflon tape always put it on as if your are tightening into the tape. This way when you tighten it into where it goes it will not try and unwind on you.
....avoids dinging the bed, only to hit the door😂😂
Normal blow by. Work on one last week. Normally those Isuzu engines turbocharged come in them old mustang skid steer.
Be careful that the oil pump gear and the gear on the camshaft does not destroy each other. I had the problem with my isuzu pickup truck when I replaced the oil pump. It has the 4ja1 motor in which is the same design engine as you have.
WD-40 used to work. It had propane as a propellant. Now it has some non-flammable gas.
Put the Isuzu in the skid steer that blow by may still be there 5yrs from now and the skid steer could make $ on the way.😊
The Isuzu is great little motor they have done duty in all kinds of equipment, I have experience with them driving hydraulics in street sweepers.😊
Hope so!
always get a bucket full of dirt to balance that out
2 cans at the same time with wd40 ....or use silicon spray is what we used at the dealer
Congrats to being married and I think you should put it in the cat
Run it until until heat seizes then you will have your answer.
Any plans with fuel pump governor?
I haven’t seen anything as staged as that ‘wheelie’😊
Not sure why I’d stage that and risk harming the engine hanging off the boom
Put it in !
Great find! Do you mind sharing the model number of the Isuzu engine? Is it a 4JG1?
Check the breather
Any update on the skid steer?
U are amazing. Yours parents are a mecanic too?
Love your videos. Wish they were more frequent. Send it
One more thing Brayden I kinda think you prob should have left the factory oil pump in there, it looks like you replaced it with a Chinese knockoff and the quality isn’t as good, the reason why the oem was harder to turn is because it is a gear pump with tighter tolerances, the Chinese one seemed looser and could give you lower oil pressure and fail sooner, I could be wrong idk it’s harder to determine stuff when your not physically there in person
I get what you mean for sure. The old pump was probably fine but bc I bent the tube from letting it set on engine jack for awhile and letting it sag down over time I just replaced both, old pump felt like metal on metal almost where as new one felt like a smooth bearing. I think it’ll be fine.
@@BradenBuildz yea I think it will be ok
Throw it in, plenty of 4 cylinders have blow by like that! It’s starts and runs good which means it’s got more then enough compression
You have no blowby you have a good motor throw it in much better than the perkins
Send it.
Yes put it in
I would put it in but have you measured to make sure the oil pan is not to deep to allow it to fit in the skid steer?
Yeah. I’ve built some mounting brackets to raise it slightly. The factory engines already had the problem with being too low
Those engines are good to over 20k hours with little to no problems
Runs good as much you going to use your cat just put it in
Put that one in and if you want put the other one in when you get it back
Have you thought on how the engine sits in the machine so that you can have good access to the sump nut and drainage of old oils 😮
Super proud of you brother! All glory to God!!
Better than Chinese
Use leverage boy! Bolt or chain a long bar onto that engine so you can turn it around alone without hurting yourself or breaking something lol i know your pain tho… im also slightly impatient
I would get the proper o'ring for oil pump.. that one you used looked shady in comparison. Best of luck
Oh hell yea
Interesting that you live in the Paducah, KY area as so do I
Lol just met up with a viewer that is local to me. He lives in Ballard
Sounds fun@@BradenBuildz
Starting fluid and glow plugs is a bad combination. Will Crack pre-cumbustion chambers.
Just curious, how old are you?
you gonna have a lot of fun getting a new engine when the pipe thread sealing tape dissolves in the oil
I gotchu bro ~oil filter
Put it in the skidsteer
I played at JI Case in 69 -71 ,what year is your 580 ?
68 maybe not sure
You think retrofitting a different alternator onto that engine is easier than just cutting the plugs off and swapping them?
Cat alternator has a lot more pins than Isuzu. Just thinking out loud. Not sure what I’m gonna do yet.
That's ok, just get the wiring diagrams up and see what going on
Kubota 1105 would have been a perfect match!
That’s only 22 hp
This is a 60hp and a 74hp came out of it
Stick it in there ...its a diesel ...they all have pressure coming out the v cover
If you put the hole there you won't be able to get all old oil out because there's know angle on the sump i would leave it and drive it on blocks to change the oil
The original plug was recessed to the point oil was left behind. There is hardly any difference
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Merchant base?
What happened to the case backhoe?? If your replacing it I would definitely grab another backhoe over a wheeloader. I'm a mechanic/operator at a gravel pit I know what each machine is best at if your going to be loading trucks with dirt and plowing snow a wheel loader is great. But a backhoe has so many more uses for a average Joe at home from lifting stuff to digging a hole or trench/septic plowing snow loading small trucks dragging heavy crap around etc. I was going to say you should weld a chain hook on your backhoe bucket way better for lifting stuff vs tossing the chain on the teeth. I wouldn't recommend running and diesel on ether thats how rings get broken if you have fuel injecting a small whiff is fine to aid starting and definitely don't use glow plugs and ether at the same time haha. It sucks that engine has a timing belt because probably every diesel engine is a interference engine if your cam stops you will destroy stuff valves at minimum likely pistons too. If you use that engine I would replace that timing belt before it goes in. I wouldn't be too concerned with the blow by if that engine sat around alot the rings might be a little gummy it might go away with a good days work it might not but more importantly it wasn't smoking out the exhaust once it was running for a few seconds which is healthy because if it was a steady haze that would mean its tired. Some engines have larger ring gaps factory and they have blowby new maybe this is one. For as good as it runs and fires up I wouldn't think twice to pop it in after doing that timing belt. I'd like to own a backhoe myself I have a industrial loader tractor but I'd like a backhoe too I have my eyes on a 80s ford 755A backhoe but idk if I can get my hands on it. If you decide to use this engine you could probably sell that perkins very easily once its rebuilt for a damn good chunk of change. I know them perkapillers weren't very good engines I was told the oil pump are a terrible design and one of the biggest threats to them is when they are cold and people rev them up right away without letting the oil warm up it destroys the oil pump then the engine is short lived
Thanks for the advice appreciate it. I have my experience with failed timing belts. Seems to be a good design though. Def gonna change it now.
I’ve got a list of people wanting the 3034 Perkins I have for $8500 as long as I get it right.
Looking into it more I’m not sure how I got it wrong but this engine actually has a timing chain which makes more sense. I coulda swore I read a service manual talking about replacing the timing belt under the timing cover. Whoops. Even better.
@@BradenBuildz then I wouldn't worry about it! I figured it was very strange that they would have a timing belt running in the engine oil behind the timing cover
I'm curious to know if the engine mounts had to be altered? Also the 3044 parts you have. Are you willing to part with some of the parts?
3034 not 44 yes I have some parts I can sell. Custom mounts have been and are being fabricated
@@BradenBuildz what parts do you have ?
@@davidgibson646 pretty much every 3034 part you can think of. Have ab 3 parts engines
@@BradenBuildz sorry my mistake it's the parts for the mitsubishi engine I was looking for mostly, however I'd like some oil squirts ( the little things spay oil onto the cylinder wall) for the 3034 if u have any .
@@davidgibson646 the piston cooling jets I have some
lol F Perkins, put that in and see she goes, if you think it not a big job. We have had Isuzu truck in England and Isuzu make good engines. A lot are made in Thailand, and the things they do them over there are crazy!
Did you wear Crocs to your wedding?🤔
Looks like 1 cylinder has an injector thats shitty. If its the flat face injectors with the sjngle hole, yoi can take it apart and lap that "pin" back to fit and itll spray a whole lot better 😊
blowby is normal on cold engines
that have been sitting for a longtime.
STOP PUTTING THE TEFLON TAPE ON BACKWARDS
I agree with others - doubt if blow-by is a problem with that engine, the way it starts instantly. To my eye, it looked more like vibration. Curious as to what you're using for a fuel return to the fuel jug. I don't see one...?? You commented on why you didn't want to rebuild, due to line bore throwing things off. Shouldn't - line bore is very precise as to centering the cutters in the bore. Metal removal would be even all the way around and change nothing. Have at 'er, son. Have fun with it.
The milk jug I had was the return jug.
I thought the same thing until I talked to many different machinist. All of them say the same thing and I still don’t quite understand it but apparently when you line bore crank mains it brings crank closer to top of engine. I still don’t know exactly why but I’ve had multiple shops tell me that and warn me of that. One guy wasn’t a machinist told me the same thing and he builds pulling tractors for a living. 🤷🏻♂️
@@BradenBuildz OK, I'll take your word for it, but doesn't make sense to my little pea brain. If you have a hole and take, say, an even 1/8" from all around the circumference, the center should remain the same. Sounds like you've done your homework, so...let it be.
That doesn’t look like a scary amount of blow by to me.
Emissions delete all the way!! Just make it burn clean
Damn, I have same backhoe, with same terrible engine G188D. Going to swap it... There are no parts for G188D in europe :(
The engine is good. They’re just notorious for camshafts snapping.
Mine snapped bc my power steering pump is frozen.
@@BradenBuildz I bought mine dissassembled, someone let water in to engine and one liner went bye bye, dissassembled it and engine was stored in crappy way for a few years. Almost no parts are available for this engine so only option is to scrap it or replace with different one. If it were not clutchless i would ditch tractor completely and move equipment to different tractor.
Put this engine in skid steer and forget about it :)
Yea it'll be a gutless p o s.
@@bigteddy66you think it will be underpowered?
@@technicalitems731 maybe not drastically but I think you said 74 came out and around 60 going in, you're probably going to notice it depending on what you're doing and expecting I'd put it's own engine back in personally, but it night be OK, seems like a lot of work for an engine that you don't know much about and has lay about quite a while.
Send it…and get a wheel loader
Isn't the original engine a Kubota? C2.2 "cat“?
A c2.2 is a Perkins cat ID as 3024
A cat 3034t came out of this skid steer otherwise known as a Perkins 704-20/22
@@BradenBuildz
I'm not trying to argue but google it. Net says cat use Kubota, I'm pretty sure Perkins sell it as a "Perkins" as well just as they sell cat as a Perkins and vice versa.
Why not???
Put it in that's very little blow by to be honest put it In and get on with using it ...
not to be a debby downer, but you will absolutely be pulling that exhaust manifold back off. that cast to mild steel exhaust pipe weld will never hold. buy a manifold and be done with it.
We will see. Was welded by the best shop is western Kentucky. Guy does custom pipes every day. Has been a welder his whole life and teaches welding at our local school.
Awesome video. Do you think the injection pump could be turned up to 120 hp? It would be cool to put one of these in a big skid steer like a tl12.
TH-cam nonsense unsubscribed me, thanks Braden.
So why not use wd40
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9:44 Look how much metal powder in oil.
How did u afford a house your like 12