CORAX FACES HIS FEAR... THE RAVEN AND THE NIGHT HAUNTER!
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Corax week rolls on! And today we discuss the Raven Lord's relationship, with his brother Konrad Curze, Primarch of the Night Lords.
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I think when Konrad says "He owns it" meaning Corax owning the night, that Konrad knows about Coraxs abilities to become "Invisible". And basically has had the puzzle pieces together for quite some time.
And to add on and go a bit more in detail, that is why Konrad hates Corax. Also hypothetically why he became a traitor in the first place, like fuck you dad! I wanted that toy!
Envy of his mastery lay behind my hatred. I haunted the Night, but Corax owned it. - Konrad Curze
Don't quote me
Curze could vanish into the shadows and be invisible.
Corax could stand in the middle of an empty field in broad daylight and be invisible.
There is no competition.
Only Konrad could steal another primarchs' video.
His name is Night Haunter.
Still, he is not as good as the Blood Ravens when it comes to stealing
Ay just like he got his head stolen 😂
Night Haunter:Peace has cost you your strength, Victory has defeated you.
Night Haunter: Theatricality and Deception important agents to the uninitiated but we are Primarchs are we Corax.
Corax: I wouldn't join your gang of traitors.
Night Haunter: ah you think darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark I was born in it, molded by it, I didn't see the light until I was already a man by then it was nothing to me but blinding.
In my view, Corax definitely owned and embraced the night more than Conrad did, but both represented different aspects of it.
Poetry jokes aside, Corax was made to be a true nighttime assassin-- unseen until the exact moment of the kill, and often unseen after. To give the hunted no opportunity to know of their demise or to resist it, and to be gone when anyone went looking for a culprit. Hence his innate ability. His side of night is the final and eternal one, the cold finality of silence.
Conrad's night, on the other hand is the one that haunts men's dreams. Not as dark and final as true night, but instead roiling with unseen malice and fears. The side of night filled with beasts and monsters which can see where you cannot and stalk the shadows outside of the firelight, just waiting for you to step away from its protection. It's unpredictable and irrational, much like the instability and irrationality of Curze himself. There's a different type of power there, one better suited for the control and domination of men and their fears. Which, of course, was one of the very reasons Conrad was made the way he was.
Both are valid reflections of the motif of 'night', but Corax was more a reflection of true night, while Curze was a reflection of man's perception of it.
Both scary, but in very different ways.
Corax is death, where as Konrad seems to be the fear of death. or corax is true darkness, but Konrad is the fear of darkness
And Corax's power to turn himself invisible do certainly help him to be even stealthier
Very well put. Couldn't agree more.
This is perfect for both them helps u point out the differences between to of the most similar primarchs corax becomes night but konrads haunts the night
Excellently put.
I love the line Konrad has describing his brothers and I maintain the few siblings he loved were Fulgrim (at least until he betrayed him) and Sanquinius, the only one who came close to understanding his pain.
I agree. It is interesting. How Konrad is a reflection of two primarchs. How he is a reflection of both Corax and Sanquinius.
He has the hate of Sanguinius and the brutality of Corvus
@krieger8825 Also the prophetic foresight of Sanguinius
I'm positive that the Emperor meant for Corax and Kurze to be twins who would work together as a team like Alpharius and Omegon. However with two separate legions.
Alpharius and Omegon is not Technicaly not Twins.
I Believe in their primarch Novel
Alpharius and Omegon Is not Twins they are one Person Split in to Two as they past on to the Warp.
and The Emperor only made 20 primarch not 21, Just 20.
It's pretty clear to me that he was scared of Curze - in the sense of he was afraid of who he might become if he became like Konrad. It was what he saw in that possible future that terrified him. The prospect of ending up like Curze is what scared him. As for fleeing, if Corax can't win the day that is his combat doctrine - retreat and regroup. Sensible raven.
People piss on the night lords for doing that but the raven guard is literally all that
@@TheHandofDestiny shut up, Lorgar
@@vincentcrow6075 Why don't you shut up little raven
@@TheHandofDestiny oh! Why don't you come out from your little tower and say it to my face, tough guy? Oh, that's right, you can't :-)
I may have been blessed with the shadows, I can hide in shadows within shadows and still hide where no shadows lie, but I always hide.
Konrad? He embraced the shadows as well, but he never hid himself, he could appear from them as he wishes and use this emergence in ways I could not.
Simply put; fear me, the shadow within shadows.
Fear Konrad, as he emerges from them...
Your sons await you, lord primarch.. Bid them good tidings from your hunt..
Very nice
Why don't you go back to your sons, I hear they get clapped by tau all the time, then I shall return to my sons and we shall have a civilized talk about things
@@TheHandofDestiny you took my sons from me Lorgar! I will never stop hunting you and Curze will never get in the way of exacting my revenge!
@@FRAAANKYSUUUPER Oh snap! Round 2 in the comments section! My money's on you Corax but don't underestimate the Urizen.
The Raven Lord vs The Night Haunter
Two versions of the night, one being the darkness and one being the fear of darkness. If Corax and Curze do fight each other without any interference from anyone would be one of the best battles. I'd stick with Konrad on this one, even Russ wasn't sure he could beat Konrad, since immense ferocity and unpredictability.
Ave Dominus Nox!!!
I disagree.. I think it is possible for corax to beat kurze.. It'll be a difficult fight for corax but I think it is within his capabilities.. The reason why russ thought he couldn't beat kurze is coz they're so different.. Russ as a fighter is not a brawler contrary to how people see him.. He uses axes, swords and spears not claws.. Fighting techniques with lightning claws are very different from those used with swords, axes and spears.. But aside from weapons, their circumstances of their upbringing are very different as well.. Russ was raised to be a king while kurze grew up to be a predator not too dissimilar to corax.. But where kurze hunted those who broke the law regardless of the circumstance, corax hunted those who oppressed the weak..
@@lavatun Corax was taugh by rebels though, Curze taugh himself by watching, would be interesting to see them go at each other 1v1.
@@Dreadbringer exactly.. Corax was taught.. He had human interaction.. He had guidance, his abilities were honed and tempered.. He was taught right from wrong.. Kurze had to figure things out himself.. It does show how intelligent he is but it also left him to subjectively conclude that anyone and I mean anyone is fit to be killed if they broke the law regardless if they were small infractions or if they were committed by adults or children.. He created order through fear.. Corax created order through deliverance..
@@Dreadbringer but I do feel for kurze.. He was the most tortured primarch out of all of them the second being angron.. He knew that his methods were horrific but he thought that by changing his ways it was an admittance that he was a monster.. The same monster that he saw in those he hunted and killed..
@@lavatun Legión vs Legión (just them) maybe the Ravenguard would win, but i believe Corax would loose to a long battered 1v1 with Curze, after all growing up fighting for survival its something that cannot be taugh, the Crow Is the superior General but Curze the superior fighter, thats my take, still would love a book of them togheter in a campaign or against each other.
Also, while beaten Lorgar was still also able to fight. Corax was facing a 2 to 1 fight.
I don't remember corax doing that, I remember Konrad doing that when he was 2v1 guilliman and the lion and was able to fight sanguinis to a standstill
Lets be real. A space marine captain could beat Lorgar in a fight
@@Xarl-VIII Doubtful
@@Xarl-VIII if it’s an ultramarine then probably lmaoo
doubtful, Lorgar was on death's door, konrad entering the fight prevented the killing blow
The line about Kurze loving some of his brothers, just breaks my heart. Sanguinius is my favorite, followed by Kurze. It’s because of Sanguinius’ talks with Kurze on Macragge I choose to believe Sanguinius was one of those beloved by Kurze.
Kruze did love him and wanted him to kill him to deny destiny… but instead he was spared.
And Kruze alone saved the imperium by alerting the Lion and Guiliman that the emperor was still alive.
Without him there would be no backup.
Of all the primarchs both loyal and traitor… Kurze was the one to bring news from behind the rift to the loyalists that the emperor was alive and could be saved.
Even better that the emperor in fact was the one to win the war.
Sanguinius and Fulgrim, I'd imagine
@@enochianwolfCurze didn't have a very close relationship with Fulgrim I don't think. I assume it would've been Magnus, Sanguinius or Horus whom he was talking about when it came to brotherly love. Perhaps even Russ, as Russ at least had some level of respect for Curze, before the heresy, or Vulkan initially as Vulkan did legitimately try to help Curze
@@myfaceismyshield5963 Fulgrim and Sanguinius were the two closest to Curze, Fulgrim was the Primarch that mentored Curze after his discovery, and the 3rd Legion was whom the 8th began the Crusade with. Sanguinius spared Konrad's life at the end of the heresy. Curze had a story in which him and Magnus almost came to blows over the destruction of a library, Horus was friendly towards Curze of course but not as close as Fulgrim or Sanguinius. I don't remember reading of any interactions between Russ and Curze, nor Vulkan before the heresy, and obviously during the Heresy Curze was very vicious towards Vulkan, so it's hard to think he was friendly in any way.
All these Corax videos make me want to dive into the Raven Guard lore. That quote about Corax owning the night has to be one of the most badass in 40k.
Some of his sons have inherited lesser versions of his wraith slip abilities. While they are incredibly rare, they are put to great use.
Raven guards are basically stealthy special forces, while night lords are about intimateding (psychology warfare), one is all about intimateding your enemies while the other is about killing their enemies with stealth like a ninja.
@@messageinthebottle1673 I feel like the Night Lords and the Alpha Legion are both different halves of the 40k CIA.
@@anxioussamurai9017 not really because in my opinion from what I know about Alpha legions. Alpha legion are basically stealthy spies and scouts that are use to gather information about their enemies (similar to the thousands son legion or should I say blood ravens) while Raven guards and night lords both uses stealth for one goal to destroy their enemies! However one specialize in demoralizing while the other does it quick and clean. Both uses stealth to engage and destory their enemies. Alpha legion although I respect their stealthy methods, they're not specialized at engaging and destroying their enemies. Rather more like simply spying and scouting to learn more about their enemies before they start taking action 🎬 the Alpha legion takes pride at learning and knowing alot of things (obtaining knowledge) about their enemies and whatever is going on around them.
The sad part of the tale is that the corrupted Konrad never yeld to the caos powers and died as close to a human being as possible for a Primach.
The loyal Corax in contrast, for shear will power and consumed by it's own grief and anger became the demon Konrad never could, wandering the chaos realm forever in a form a shadow hunter...
Curze: *clicks belt gadget and hides in the shadows”
Corax: “ahhh you think darkness is your ally....But you merely adopted the darkness. I was born in it, moulded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man, but by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING!”
To be fair, that quote works better for Curze... especially since Batman eventually beats Bane
greatest hide and seek session of the existance xD
Could Corax defeat Curze? Maybe.
Could he in THAT situation. No.
We are still talking about Curze. One of the only few brothers Russ admitted he wasn't sure if he could beat in combat, with the other ones being Sanguinius and Horus...
In a fair fight Corax may or may not have had a chance, but this was not going to be a fair fight. Not by a long shot.
If Corax stayed there and fought, he'd be the second Primarch to die on Isstvan V.
Corax is a progamatic strategist , where he does't see total victory he does't risky it , if there's no choice he will fight yes , but if there's one he will retreat regroup and prepare again , also Corax is superior to Cruze is the stealth game , you can only see Corax is he wants you to see him .In a sense Corax is the true night , the impregnable dark that wich your eyes cannot gaze beyond that: complete dark.
This. Every primarch excels in their element. Remember that in a straight_up fight (Angels of Caliban) The Lion beats Konrad to a bloody pulp, snaps his spine and drags him out by the hair, because Curze is forced to fight the Lion on the Lion's terms...
But in a previous novel (Unremembered Empire) Konrad takes on: The Dark Angels, The Ultramarines, Alexis Pollux, A Space Wolf Pack, The Lion, AND Guilliman all at once, AND WINS, only losing his advantage once Vulkan shows up.
When he's allowed to play his own game he's a monster. When it's denied to him he struggles. Just like everyone else.
@@sarnicholas4053 in vulkan lives, vulkan outright admitted that he always felt sorry for kurze, thats why he always let him win their friendly sparring matches. when it became a real fight vulkan mopped the floor with him
@@ryanmalady376 it's also a hammer :)
@@ryanmalady376 Konrad is a blade in the shadow, Vulkan is a Hammer lit alight with burning flame.
Not only does the flame eliminate the shadows, but the hammer’s blunt force crushes the blades edge.
I think his retreat was the result of a pure risk benefit analysis. Corvus Corax wouldn't gamble on maybe winning a battle if it meant definitely loosing the war. Istvaan was lost. He couldn't risk wasting his life and the lives of his remaining Legionaries on a fruitless last stand. Retreat was the only viable option.
Exactly.
When Konrad fought Guilliman and the Lion at the same time, that's one of Konrad's Sporadic Genius
I mean, seeing the future kinda helps.
It's a hard one to think who would win in a balanced fight
Because both of them are top tier and yet almost always underrated
It’s quite shocking how underrated Corax is as a fighter, their is probably a fair few of the Primarchs who are better generals but few who are better in combat.
I honestly think conrad is a better fighter since he nearly beat the lion on one occasion
Aswel as his premonitions showing him what his opponent will do next
I also feel like his insanity makes him more unpredictable and willing to throw himself into battle
Hes my favourite primarch though so I'm probably biased
@@olivercowling8361 He’s one of my favourites too, his insanity could be a hindersnxe as much as a benefit though, he’s definitely one of the best fighters though
Konrad is a significantly better fighter, he 2v1 guilliman and the lion and he fought sanguinis to a standstill
@@olivercowling8361 i disagree , since in the fight with the lion , the lion himselfs notes that Curze figths with no discipline and poor skill the only thing Curze has is savagery and fear he fights by overwhelming his oponent by sheer force , he is a vicious figther yes , but against a cold hearted warrior and master progamaticist/strategist like Corax , he will fall short and be exploited . Now about Cruze's ability to foresight , it also has several holes on it since , even if he predict doest meant react , like you cant react fastre than light even if you predict on where the bolt will land(not syaing Corax is fast as light , juts noting that you cannot react if the enemy is faster than you , predict doest mean react.) , the other is the ability of Corax to manipulate the minds of others to not percieve him , like in your mind he is not there no matter how hard you trie to percieve him , so the things is you cannot predict what you cannot see.
Can you make all your "x week" video series into playlists? Be a lot easier to find them!
There is real arguement for this being the best Primarch week ever.
I concur!
The likeable angsty boy VS unlikeable angsty boy
Who’s who’s? Haha
@@georgesoha4725 depends if you're a filthy heretic or not 🤣
Death to the false emperor.
They're both likeable, I prefer Konrad over corax but yeah they both are
@@TheHandofDestiny no I meant in terms of how other brothers view them
Curze: _you think darkness is your ally Co..._ (Sucker punched from nowhere).
Curze: _oooh you good..._
With the difference that he'd be the one suckerpunching Corax, vicious fighting is Curze's specialty (he is the guy that would literally throw sand at your eyes mid fight)😂
@@_the_eversor_lad_ he can't, Corax will turn Invisibl - Punch him - Turn Invisble - Repeat.
Retreat is not always cowardice.
Fighting is not always bravery.
Well said
I feel that there was two primary factors that shaped Curze so differently from Corax: the lack of human guidance during his adolescence, as well as the pain-filled visions of a dark, unforgiving future. Perhaps if Curze had been found and adopted, his adoptive family could of helped him fight against the influence the visions had over him.
Exactly my thoughts, the other primarchs grew up with companions, konrad had no one and found it very difficult to adjust, communicate, and understand his "family". He was doomed to fall cause of his misfortune of not finding a suitable family and home, and cause of the emperor's parenting skills.
How I wished Corax fought Curze here instead of Lorgar. This would be an Epic encounter. The debate on who really was the best between 2 shadow warriors would be decided here. Although I love Corax and his abilities, I doubt he would be as dominant as he was with Lorgar. Curze is a completely different foe. One in line with Corax's own unique skills. He would be fighting a mirror image of himself but more sinister.
You merly adopted the darkness, I was born to it, molded by it!..... such a bane moment! lol 🤣
I'm fascinated with the Primarchs having a mirror of themselves like a Duality. People often compare The Raven Guard to The Night Lords... but I always felt like Sangunius and Kurze were counterparts. Not Corax and Kurze.
Corax and Alpharius/Omegon are a better fit imo.
Good point.
Corax is a sneaky badass, like Alpharius/Omegon.
Kurze is a bloodlusted horror film monster, like Sanguinius. Only One just hides it better. Both can see the future and are haunted by their fates.
Out of left field, but I would say Corax and what Angron was intended to be. Liberators, a slaving culture that they needed to rise up against? The two are very much opposites in battle tactics, but considering the patches of immense rage Corax sometimes has, I wonder what he would be were he to lose to the oppressors, and Angron be the victorious liberator, perhaps their personalities would reflect that.
@@thewayfarer8849 Wouldn't Angron be the "evil twin" of Russ? Both extremely savage warriors focusing on melee and prone to losing themselves in the battle. Dorn/Perturabo is another obvious pairing ofc.
@@wanderhillen2435 that being said
Could the Lion and Horus be different sides of the same coin. Both liders but where horus was charismatic and able to make people obbey to his will the Lion was a cold blooded machine who'd do whatever it took to achieve victory
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For anyone trying to debate who would win between Corax and Kurze, just keep in mind Corax never got into a fight he didn't think he could win. He had a tactical mind like Guilliman combined with an assassins skill. Of course he turned down a fight with Kurze. It wasn't a good time or situation. He also bluntly told Horus he wouldn't fight a particular way. Only his way. Corax chooses his ground and the terms that he fights on. All assassins do. Makes Istvaan all that sadder. Now place that kind of person in the warp where he vowed to kill every last traitor including primarchs. Yeah.....don't screw with Corax.
Konrad would most likely still win
In a traditional "fight" Konrad would win hands down, but confrontations aren't always traditional so it is hard to say who really is the better combatant.
@@kirkcannon8079 I mean Konrad can fight both unconventional and conventional, he's honestly more into unconventional but he can do both
I want a video breaking down all the special and unique weapons each Primarch wielded and which is the most lethal/powerful
Corax actually used a specialized heavy bolter with one hand.
His metal wings doubled as additional weapons.
Thanks for keeping the great content rolling in wolf lord!👍
I wonder if Mortarion week or Russ week is coming soon.
I'm really hoping for Mortarion/DG week soon. But I'm loving all of this.
Corax is the most underated primarch
Corax is awesome and an S tier combatant, but Curze had foresight and was able to 2v1 Rubmeoff Gorillaman and The Lion on Macragge and then fight Sanguinius to a stand still. He would have beaten a tired Corax and probably even a fresh Corax. Foresight too OP
that 2 v 1 was serious plot armour. i know the writers have some funny turns from time to time but that fight was bs
@@youthere7327 To say nothing of the daemonic nonsense going on there. But Abnett likes to play stupid fast and loose with canon if he thinks it will be "cool."
Corax can become completely invisible and it's obviously a warp thing so I don't think foresight would work against it.
Plus Conrad repeatedly dueled and killed Vulkan. Conrad was one of the best one-v-one. Corax would have died against him.
@@randomname1645 bad writing aside, Konrad isn't nowhere near the best fighter. Sanguinius would've bitch slapped him without effort. The Lion beat him one on one handily, Kurze was actually terrified of Corax, hence why he hated him, Horus would've bullied him with no effort, Magnus would have deep fried his brain, Angron would have torn his skinny little ass to shreds...
The Haunter used the night to instill doubt and fear, Corax was the night and thus ambiently instilled fear and doubt, no effort or planning required.
The more I learn about Corax the more I think he would be the better Primarch to return to help Roboute. Let Roboute manage the Imperium while Corax goes crusading.
Any day of a Primarch week is a good day.
But I have a hunch as to what the topic of this week's finale is going to be, and I'm honestly quivering with anticipation.
Sometimes I feel like on the down low Wolf Lord Rho is a GW employee explaining what the authors actually meant when they wrote said novels
As Russ said: “The heedless might of the insane”
Absolutely brilliant line that incapsulates Curze totally
And in fact this is what makes Curze so dangerous.
The Raven Guard deserve so much more love from GW. From the little I’ve read of them I love a lot of it. Nykona Sharrowkyn is/was a total boss! But I love that Salamanders can see Raven Guard even when they are invisible to all others!
Why was that again?
Hearing their heart beats or something
@@codysing1223 it’s to do with their sight changing because of Vulkan’s gene seed. Salamanders red eyes can see into darkness much better than any other legionnaires. There’s a great scene in Angel exterminatus where Tarsus can see Sharrowkyn when he thinks he’s invisible to his cousins.
I know it's a little cliche, but Corax going up against Kurze is like the Batman v Batman who Laughs. Or maybe Batman v The Owl. Lol
my money is on an owl, deadly predators, massive talons etc 😊
"he made the right decision"
I agree too.
But enough of the current episode. Looking forward for the next episode regarding the Ravenlord.
Corax is the darkness .....
I really like how you look at the perspective of who/how the story is telling/being told from. This is a very mature way to analyze the material. It is more accurate when debating various aspects. And helps people enjoy stories that are not necessarily inline with our biases.
I would've loved to see corax and manus teamed up fighting lorgar and the night haunter
The wolf lord only thought that he would not be able to beat Sanguinius and Kurze, 'nuff said.
You can’t fight what you can’t see. period.
Kurze is only fear of the night , While Corax is the night , for one you can best you fears , but for the other , well you cannot beat the night itself you can try ,but it will never go away and the more hard you try to gaze your eyes on it the more dark it will became . You can only see Corax if he wants you to .
@@mikeperez2943also Base on the fight with the Lion, Curze needs to Keep an Eye on his Enemy mid fight In order for his Foresight to work.
Yup Corax will Turn Invisible - Hit him - Turn Invisble - Hit him - Repeat.
The way I see it curze merely adopted the dark but corax was born in it molded by it
Painting my first Raven Guard as this week goes by, love it!
Kurze the Envious-Haunted.
Thanks very much Wolf Lord Rho for this Corax Week. 👍
This is amazing so far !
All I want is Vulkan to hug Corax back into the materium
Wow! Great video.
Means a lot.
Of the shadow.
Eye’s focused on service to the light.
These are my favorite Primarchs
Curze just needed a hug
Man when he was quoting Conrad said the shadows love curse more than me oh my God that was so good
I think Corax and Konrad would of got along just fine, if not for the night haunter who couldn't allow it. It would of been nice to see Corax and Konrad initially have a close relationship when first meeting, but seeing Konrads general decline into madness strains the relationship between them, it would of made the story and rivalry between the raven guard and the night lords more tragic
Great upload as always WLR
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I think it's something like Perturabo and Dorn - both on the same field but different aspects of it. Or the Lion and Russ as we've seen recently. Corax was the final solution while Curze was meant to send the message. But I agree they could've become much more if they worked together. And We've seen this in loyalist Night Lord Kasati Nuon - Corax sent all non Raven Guard forces away but Nuon was allowed to stay and even stood up to him when some Raven Guard officers questioned his methods. On the opposite side when Sevatar decided to purge Night Lords highest echelons, the "Raven" was spared among the few so he must've held him in some regard.
Corex is really a cool cat on the outside but he has become wrath and now in the 40k feels like he is the knight haunter who seeks to murder all the traitors specially the word bearers. Heres hoping he returns in 9th hunting Logar in a campaign of raven guard vs word bearers.
I don't think these two would ever have been friends. More likely they would have been the bitterest of rivals - perhaps not the flashiest rivals, or the ones who were best known to outsiders, but I think they would have been unmatched in their fierce rivalry.
At best, they would have been the living embodiment of the "Brother against Brother - Brother and Brother against Uncle - Brother, Brother and Uncle against the Outsider", where they were only on friendly terms in any way if they were both fighting against the same enemy. Otherwise, they would be at each others throats, metaphorically or otherwise.
Wolf Lord Rho keep up the good work the way you present your content in 10/10. I have only got into the heresy over the last year and it is amazing .
"who are you?"
"im you but scarier"
Corax is without a doubt the more powerful of the two. You can see it without ever having to see a battle, by their personalities.
Konrad was cruel, picking on the weak, denying reason and being a chaotic evil type for no reason other than "I have bad dreams." To be cruel you have to be weak yourself, and so afraid of your weakness that you assert yourself violently to make sure others do not best you as you're afraid they clearly can.
Corax on the other hand is generous and kind. He knows he has no equal to fear- the only brothers he is inferior to in combat he has no reason to fear would harm him. To dominate something for yourself and then hand it back for the greater good of the people that make up the constituency? That is what a truly powerful man does. He does not consolidate and conspire. He knows he can do better at every stage.
Altruism is the greatest measure of confidence and strength. Corax had that in spades. Konrad feared that above all else.
There is no contest between the two.
Something tells me if it was a 1v1 he would have fought Konrad for all he had as that encounter really is stupid for people to see him as scared, dude kicked ass for so long his gear was breaking down.
in one of the books he takes out like 8 dreadnaughts all by himself.
I do still wonder at Konrad's line in his primarch novel about if he had been given Corax's powers.
The result of that infusion would have been terror incarnate on a galactic scale.
Corax having the foresight of curze.
But with the upbringing to truly master it.
Konrad is a total unknown when it comes to one on one my money is with the Night Haunter 🌙 my favourite Primarch Grimdark Batman
Konrad Curze is one of the best Primarchs in hand to hand combat. Leman Russ even said that he's one of the few Primarchs besides Horus and Sanguinius that could beat him in a fight. Kurze took on two different Primarchs at the same time and still won. He's a beast, but I think that Corax with his warp powers would beat him.
I want to listen to the part where he takes part in a game of Takeshi's Castle to replenish his legion numbers.
I would absolutely love to see the raven guard and night lords hunt together
Here's a short story about a loyalist night lord post heresy who is embedded with the Raven Guard and Corax makes a badass appearance as well. If you can get the audio version it's really good but as far as I know it's the only time I can find with them fighting alongside. warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/The_Value_of_Fear_(Short_Story)
I wish we could have gotten a lore story with Corvus and Jagathai using lightning fast raids, precision strikes, flanking maneuvers,
Especially if you have Angel holding the center
Corax fighting Kurze is basically Batman fighting Bane.
I think you are right if Konrad grew up on Terra with Corax they would have been close and he would have viewed him like he does Sanguinius. But the Warp and Chaos would not allow those things.
Running away from a crazy superpowered batman is not cowardice, it's common sense.
Kurze is a mere madman to Corax. The Lion may be concerned that he would lose to Kurzse' rage The Raen Lord is a very different creature. He studies everyone, every micro gesture and tell give him real time extra cognition whereas the Nighthaunter was always intended to be a monster and was blighted with visions of potential futures. Had they remained loyal I can see many a moment of friction between the to legions as their tctis differed so wildly in application that it would surprise e to find out hte RG were intended to be his secret police, the Night Lords reserved for use s a punishment Legion. What fascinates me is Corax combat IQ in this circumstance. Russ, the Gorgon - hell even Guilleman would have stayed to fight. Corax knew he had one but that Kurze had shown up like Nelson Muntz to take his lunch money. Strategic withdrawl to regroup nd return to fisnih them off with fresh marines. However, I hve a slight suspicion that due ot hte conflicting nature of his visions nd the act that they are telling him what my happn in the next moment, Corx has alredy processed that and would start to employ more and more feints until Kurze presented any opening for one kind of unconventional attack. The odds of him pulling it off while exhausted and still trying to kill Lorgar the answer is a no brainer - run!
Corax! My favorite primarch
You cover topics I find really interesting. I have refused to click your videos until now, for ONE REASON!!
Let's not beat about the bush Kurze was a beast a true warrior and so deadly a duel between these two would have been awesome
Mate you should 100% record reading audio books. Amazing.
It's interesting that konrad says he tolerant of som3, respected others and loved a few! Only to leave it at that is infuriating! Who,which and why,it haunts me not to know!
Perhaps if raised on terra the lives of the primarchs could have been a slice of life anime.
Funny how Russ also thought that Konrad was one of the primarchs who could get lucky or outdo him in a fight because of his erratic genius/insanity
Curze should not have a chance, my mans doesn’t even have a jet pack.
Curze is a better fighter
Far better
@@davidmacon1138 not much in it imo. corax has his invisible thing too although im not sure if it would fool a primarch
@@youthere7327 Agreed. I had read somewhere that basically all primarchs could sense each other. Like Dorn figuring out which Alpharius was which. Not only that, but Curze also had some sort of telepathic ability to shatter out lights and became practically invisible to the astartes that were searching for him. Let alone the entire time he slipped the Dark Angels and the Ultramarines. Curze not only was written, before the change, as being far better than 3 other Primarchs, but just his experience alone would make him one of thee most lethal primarchs. I begrudgingly admit that one on one, Sanguinius, Johnson, and Angron... maybe Russ, those two are tied, could beat him
Curze also has the “crazy” factor from Leman’s description.
My two favourite legions/chapters and my two favourite primarch s. LETS GOO!!!
A moment of clarity for corax
And for Kurz
This DC owl man vs Batman is awesome...wait
Quick question which primarch is owl man and which is batman? 🤨
The 3 best fighters in the primarchs:
1 Magnus
2 Sanguinius
3 Konrad Curze
I have to wonder. Conrad was reared in the dark, yet with the power to see; conrad was beset by visions of the future. Peeks beyond the shadow to possible outcomes and the undeniable terror that lay beyond most possible futures. But Corax could remove himself. Literally become a shadow. Conrad sought the shadow, and the fear that came with it, to abate or ignore the truth he saw.
Corax saw what was, and was able to shed barriers of concealments to get to it.
Conrad.. he saw the truth, and could only cope with it by running to the shadows.
They are both horrifically tragic characters.
One who makes the hard choices for the chance at a better future.
And one who hides in them to abate the terror of what they know is likely to come.
Corax left because it was the correct move strategically. He was passionate and that anguish fuelled his fight against Lorgar. But he wasn't blind to reason.
I sort of think this, and the way the Ravenguard are depicted as more rational and less prone to grandstanding and all out charges and fire and brimstone speeches is the reason they are over looked in the lore. Their style is actually so much more conventional from a real world perspective that they simply can't sell a grim dark setting the way Blood Angel's, Black Templars or Dark Angels can.
By definition the traits that make the Ravenguard who they are result in them being overshadowed constantly.
Thanks Rho for another wonderful video!!! Just finished watching yesterday’s and today’s upload and I was thinking if you could possibly do a series where you can list down the most human moment for each Primarch? It would be wonderful if you do it
We need a Corax/Sanguinious convo. Why doesn't it exist already?
Interesting how Corax is like a parody of the angel.
Where did the Ravenlord find his inspiration for Ravens and wings I wonder...
Being one of the last found.
Perhaps he saw the blood Angel's and was inspired.
@@codysing1223 They have to measure wings.
Is it during the drop site massacre that corax looks upon angron fighting and realized he can’t beat him. Cause for him to say he is one of the greatest of the fighters only to look at angron and know he will die is kinda of ironic
Last time I was this early Lorgar was still being diddled by priests instead of being the diddler
This is just wrong on so many levels. LOL
You sure about that.Dont forget what Horus did to him after the failed coup.
I think Corax has a bigger edge over Konrad than even the lion did. The lion was able to beat Kurze by changing his strikes subconsciously mid swing.
That’s important because it tells us two things
1. Kurze foresight can be fooled.
2. He needs to actually be able to track you to get a vision he can actually interpret(ever wonder why his foresight wouldn’t just factor in the change from the lion? It’s not like the lion is breaking causality in any way. Theoretically that type of style shouldn’t actually hinder Kurze at all but it does.)
I think Corvus’s specific fighting style, alongside his own primarch abilities are gonna allow him to win.
He can turn invisible to living beings and can fuck with peoples perception of him, make them think he isn’t there even if he hasn’t moved.
With the state that Konrads mind is in, that has the potential to throw off his foresight even more so than the lions ability.
And remember that even the Lion comments on how Kurze isn’t actually really a trained warrior like The lion and Corax are. His foresight is one of the pillars that allows him to engage in combat at all. I don’t think he’s a slouch(no primarch is) but Corax definitely has the edge. Corax is in the top 25% of primarchs when it comes to martial prowess.
So combine better weapon skill, WAYYY better battle strategy, an arguably even more broken set of powers, and the fact that Corax is more mobile than Kurze is… I see crazy Batman as the underdog here. Not Corax.
I’ll admit Kurze has some dope powers but I think the fandom let his fights with The Lion speak higher of his skill than they actually did. Once his foresight is either negated or worked around I can’t see him standing much of a chance.
But that’s in a 1v1 and Kurze is rarely dumb enough to put himself in those situations purposely with no way out.
Put Corax in the Night Haunters domain and I can totally see Kurze on top, but not without heavy injuries.
Conversely, if Corax is on your ass, you’re on borrowed time. Most of the traitor primarchs would be very hard pressed to walk away from a scrap with Corax without insane injuries.
Guess where, why, and when they would fight matters just as much as what powers they actually have
Corax is the night I think they would of been the closest brothers and an unbelievable duo together such a shame how they panned out
I mean imagine Corax and Conrad grew up on mc gragg or terra or were found first
Maybe but before Corax was found the Raven Guard were used basically in the same way the Night Lords continued to operate post Kurze, terror tactics guerilla war, and Corax came in and put a stop to that. I don't think they'd see eye to eye on tactics at least
@@DefaultProphet well thet are the same coin just opposite sides I think the ravens would not click personality wise with the methods
But I think Corax would of been able to guide Corax and his legion
Corax and curze is like batman and deathstroke
Konrad reflecting that if they switched gifts he might have not gone mad.
Konrad is a good duelist because he can see the future while Corax couldn’t. The lion was able to beat Konrad because he’s a specialist with the blade.
These corax videos are awesome
Corax: "does he believe it to be true? that your legion is a weapon of fear?"
Sevatar: "he does"
Corax: "Do *you* believe it?"
Sevatar: "..."