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NATURE OF THE RAVEN GUARD! THE LEGACY OF CORAX
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2022
- Hi all Rho here! Today we're discussing the dual nature of the Raven Guard. How they are very much defined by their Primarch's legacy... The Raven Lord Corvus Corax.
Spoiler Warning to begin as the events we're discussing today are from the short story "With baited breath" by author George Mann. As always I really recommend you read the stories for yourself first. As that's the best way to enjoy the lore for yourself. Without spoilers!
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Dorn: Corax where were you I didn't see you fighting our traitorous kin
Corax: Thank you that means alot
Underrated comment
That made made me chuckle😂
Lol
The Lion: I did not see you fighting the traitors.
Corax: Thanks, brother.
#This
Corax: Well, naturally!
@Scott Webb i thought it was rockstar.
The Raven Guard AREN'T inconsiderate towards humans. Corax had always lived among mortals and incorporated them into his strategies. That is something he even taught Guilliman.
It is said that much of the raven guard history being blank or absent, is a testament to their efficacy. To be remembered by anyone, an astartes as secretive as a Captain of the Raven Guard no less, is probably one of the highest honours a guardsman could ever dream of. The raven knows how it feels to fight without hope, but still stand with courage. A bond between warriors, great and small
I think the return of Corax could be really cool, a warp infused shadow Primarch that slays Daemons for breakfast. His interactions with Guilliman would be interesting and rebuilding The Raven Guard Legion and taking the fight to Chaos.
I second this. Would be really cool to see a daemon prince-esq primarch in the service of the Imperium
I’d love it if they infused some of that warp infusion into some special RG units. Even like a points upgrade for our captains/chapter masters for shadow walking
It’s almost necessary with the strength of the demon primarchs
I thought it would be kinda cool if he came back with wings like the Angel but with black feathers
@@toddthompson2782 Yeah wings, feathers and crows feet.
This is based on one of my favourite short stories in 40k.
The sacrifice, the respect and the calm acceptance of duty. The Ravens quietly and respectfully shoulder the burden of humanity. This is why they are one of my all time faves.
Wonderful to hear it brought to life like this!
yeah one of my favorite chapters too
Maaaan! Where could I find this short story??
@@CalAndAly if you've got access to Audible it's in the Raven Guard audio collection 👍
Heartless? I wouldnt say that. There are other ways to lure an enemy into a trap, they didnt need to use Serge as bait and put the captain in a vulnerable position like that after all, but the Captain decided to do that and achieve two good things. The first is obvious, deal with enemy armour, but the second was just as important. He gave a dying man hope, he reassured him that he hadnt died in vain and even let an ordinary Guardsman assist in the destruction of a Chaos armoured monstrosity that he ordinarily wouldnt be able to even inconvenience. In a Universe where most Guardsman die as nothing more than forgotten red mist, probably not even remembered by their comrades and with the knowledge that they did basically nothing to help, that is certainly the greatest gift the Raven Guard could give the Guardsman.
I agree 100%, it's not brutal or heartless. A space marine talking to a guardsman for any reason had to be the highlight of his short life, and the ultimate honor. These are literal angels of death swooping in to save the day, and they stop to commend a random soldier for his bravery. Whether using him as bait or not, he knew he was dead, and that's probably the best way he could have gone out.
The raven guard are the silent professionals of 40k, they're literally the spec ops chapter, and also the most human right up there with the salamanders
Captain Koryn is one of the most written about Raven Guard. His friendship with the captain of the Brazen Minotaurs is well done, given that their modus operandi is polar opposite to each other. He's up there with Sharrowkyn as a badass space ninja, especially when he sabotaged the Eldar's jet bikes right under their noses.
Space Wolves would listen to that kind of story so it can be made into a saga, Salamanders would listen to give Sergey that feeling that his work was all worth it in protecting his world and family, Blood Angels would do the same as the Salamanders.
Yes
Now i want to See a Story about the ravenguard and the spacewolves fighting a Joint campaign😆.
I think they would complement each other real nice.
@@jesuscallsmeflo1189 there's a good story about the Raven Guard and Corax rescuing the wolves after they failed to kill Horus.
@@jesuscallsmeflo1189 Raven Guard: alright this is where the main leader of this invasion is my scouts have traced a path directly to him without tripping the alarm we and your Wolf Brothers are to go in an eliminate him while we go for the communications our way out is through the enemy but...
Space Wolf: They won't expect an attack from the inside. Alright if we make it out drinks on me!
Raven Guard: I don't drink.
Space Wolf: You will when we're done. Alright little Raven lets have a chat with our mutual friend.
This perfectly sums up why I love the Raven Guard.
The Raven Guard are by one of my favorite space marines for their ability to fight in a shadow war, for it is the single shot or assassination that turn the tide of war. The Raven Guard may be beings that may linger into the shadows, but they show a lot of humanity when the wars are fought alongside their Allies and comrades.
Deliverance Lost is one of my favourite Horus heresy novels and Corax is just a wonder of a Primarch one of my faves after Sanguinius and of course Leman Russ
I do like “tactically sensible” or “strategically oriented” Space Marines chapters such as the Ravenguard. As well as non Space Marine chapters such as the Lucifer Blacks or the Raptors. They are as close to reality as it can be considering the Warhammer 40k universe where most of the Imperium of Man military yell “For the Emperor” and just dive recklessly into battle with no plan and sketchy objective. It’s refreshing at least for me, to stumble upon well thought or strategically sound and purposeful moments such as these
@Survival prepping for normal people They’re awesome and there should be more lore about them
So many of the Raven Guard's feats, being fought in the shadows, in the 'background' as it were, their own deeds are unremembered outside of their Chapter. By telling him he'd remember, I think the Captain meant to reassure the Guardsman - it's compassion appropriate to the circumstances.
Such humane acts of honor and empathy in this universe of madness and endless slaughter are enough for anyone to shed a tear. Yes, Sergei was indeed a bait, but even as such, the captain of the raven guard showed that he had a heart and understanding. Just perfect
I like to think his helmet cam recorded it & maybe shared that bit with his Regiment
In a way, I see Captain Koryn’s actions as giving the guardsman a final, last way to serve the Imperium.
One of my favorite Raven Guard short stories.
Raven Guard needs more attention badly. Corvus Corax and possibly Nykona Sharrowkyn returning would help.
In some ways I'd be happier for Sharrowkyn. Primarchs do primarch things, for the game OP and all. I don't believe Sharrowkyn's fate is lore so he could be around all things considering. And would be an awesome model.
@@perceive6666 months late, but the last we have of Sharrowkyn as far as I’m aware is him going into stasis.
To some small degree it could also be seen as a possibility to gather intel on the Death Guard assault, which would be very Raven Guard-like. I like that combination of honor, compassion, tactics and strategy of the Raven Guard, besides the obvious stealth angle of course.
The Raven Guard are criminally overlooked ...... he he, pun not intended.
FINALLY A RAVENGUARD VIDEO! I'v searched for RG Lore for like a month
Omg... Im so happy you did this. RG needs a GW update so bad, but I can't bring myself to play another chapter. Corax is too cool (I don't see him as "emo" as most do, tho)
Oooh did we get another full fledged Wolf Lord Rho intro??
He talked to him, someone that is dying needs that also he has shown him respect and even on top of all that he has allowed him to perform one last deed and help defeat an enemy. Revan Guard is great as are their successors I wish there was more from them !
The thing I love about your channel, Wolf Lord Rho, is that you genuinely have an appreciation for all of the implied nuances and subtle details in the literary works of the 40k setting. You really consider "what does this scene mean?" and describe it with all the impact that it could (and often should) have. Much respect for your work, I always look forward to hearing your reviews and perspectives.
Corax deserves more content, the Raven Guard deserves a better writer than Thorpe and Rho deserves more views. I might or might not be writing just to feed the algorithm.
I think the Crimson Fists would definitely stop to hear a dying guardsman's tale, they're friendly enough
Victorus Aut Mortis
For Corax and for the Emperor.
Personally, I like the Raven Guard. They are one of my favorite legions
Definitely my favorite chapter, any time there's Raven Guard content I am always happy.
I'm 100% biased on this one for the Raven Guard is my favourite loyal legion, but I am certain with them being the MVP from the heresy if you consider it happened right after Itsvaan. With a ratio of victories+results compared with the small number of marines they had, it's hard to argue how great they did. They are just not spotlighted in the Siege of Terra because Corax decided to guerrilla fight the traitors from minute 1 instead of pursuing an heroic last stand (which, truth be told, he was tempted to).
This was definitely my favorite video of yours. You told the story so well it touched my soul and it kinda filled me with vigor.
Dope story
Ayyy, Rho actually introducing himself by his full name. It has been a while.
Everybody gangsta, till the shadows start moving.
Nice video! Raven guard is one of my least known chapters/legion. Always cool to learn something new about a little known one for me
Sneaky beakies flying under the radar in real life too.
i like that this story shows clearly that the raven guard are not just assassins in way to large power armor for stealth, but they are sneaky in every single thing they do. luring the enemy into a false sense of security by pretending not to know he is there while you're just waiting for him to get close enough is a great strategy.
By your deeds shall you be remembered, This is how I pretty much see this happening, the Guardsman's telling of his tale of his stand with his squad, to be remembered in a telling in the future to his future decedents of the planet.
You need to remember that told from Sergei's perspective, it would seem like he was used in such a way. Perhaps there was more to it.
exactly, I believe that even unseen, and moving into position, all of the nearby Raven Guard in the squad were listening and will remember the tale...
The corvus corax and raven guard are my favorite loyalist legion. Let put up the scales for how good are the raven guard in terms of how they treat normal Imperium of man civilians and imperial guard soldiers. They are I think in between iron hands cold ruthlessness and the loving willing to sacrifice themselves for the people of the Imperium of man like the salamanders. Thank you wolf lord rho for another lore video about the son's of corvus coraxVictorus Aut Mortis (Victory or Death).
Even in death I still serve. Practically, as the guardsman was still alive he could be of some use for the good of the Imperium. Perhaps we should focus more on the moment when Koryn acknowledges his sacrifice. I think this moment has its separate essence too.
I always thought that the nature of the ravenguard was to be like ravens...and also guard things
Love the Raven Guard! I've wondered since the primaris came around how Corax would feel towards seeing them. To me they kinda seem like a perfected version of the Raptor Project Corax had attempted during the heresy. If we ever get Corax in 40k, I would love to see his perspective, maybe seeing his Raptors in them, as sad as that would be.
Victorus aut Mortis!
another chapter showing the genuine show of honour to a brother in arms even if not in "status" with enough compassion to even (as much as a astartes is able to) be emotionally moved with such sacrifice in spite of such meager odds, and pyrrhic gains could be...
...The Lamenters? Maybe The Crimson Fists?...
What an amazing story!
I think the Ultramarines must be up there with the Salamanders in which chapters care most about the humans of the Imperium.
The way they run Ultramar, with happy healthy worlds, must be proof of that.
From my understanding they don't care about humans, so much as which ones they have to care about because they're told to. Where as the ravens, blood angels and salamanders actually value human life. Outliers not included. However, if you finish the story, the raven guard might not care as much as you think.
I always have a soft spot for the Raven Guard. They are one of the more sensible astartes chapters in terms of tactics and doctrine
In the book Cadian Blood, some of the character of the Raven Guard comes to the fore. Also, some of the history between the Death Guard & the Raven Guard.
Thank you for this Rho, I have lost a lot of motivation to paint my Raven Guard Army. I’ve been on and off since 2010. It’s nice to hear some RG lore, glory to the 19th, Victorus Aut Mortis!
A Salamander
would have given that Guardsman
a hug and a pat on the head, before he died.
Honestly the Horus Heresy helped alot of Legions that didn't have stories or character get that like the Dark Angels, Imperial Fists, Custodes, and White Scars. Other like the Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Ultramarines already had alot and it just expanded it. However the Raven Guard, Salamanders, and Iron Hands need more love and depth.
Im actively planning raven guard for my 1st army
Love the shadow boiz
Great surprise this Saturday... I hope all is well with you and your family.
A Captain, of the Raven Guard, no less, has seen a LOT. Combine that with the brainpower advantages of an Astartes , and you're going to get some pretty varied and interesting personalities .
I think it's the fact that the guardsman was dying that corrin didn't mind speaking to him. There's no need for worrying about secrecy when the other person is dying
Yay a video of my chapter from the Wolf Lord.
I think that they are simultaneously cold and caring. They are weapons of death firstly, but they are ultimately still very human deep down, the most human of the Astartes are probably the White Scars, Ravenguard, and the Salamanders. The Ravenguard have always been fundamentally stalwart defenders of humanity, and they defend humanity from itself, the 6th company is an example of this. They cant afford emotion, such that is when its dulled by their genetic mutation- if they were allowed it, then perhaps they would, but they understand their function.
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Man, it’s been ages since you used your full name in the intro. I’ve missed it to be honest. Glad to here it again, even if it turns out to be a one-off.
Deliverance has come.
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People are always wondering what the reaction the Imperium and Guilliman would have to the Warp infused Corax, but I wonder about his sons. I would love to see how they would react to seeing their father being similar to the Raptors of old.
Not really, it is clearly stated in that short story that he can turn his shadow form off at will, working as a psychic power instead of a mutation
@@fortheswarmlord3250 I know but they will see that other form at some point.
I feel like it was more than just being bait. In a way Sergei helped put an end to the assault. He helped the Raven Guard hunt and bring down the brute, sure it still would’ve been relatively easy for the Ravens to bring it down either way but he helped them.
wow, great tale and narration!
Wolf Lord Rho take a look at the brothers of the snake novel or the urdesh novels a part of the sabbat worlds crusade serious. The Iron Snakes of Ithaka Are definitely one of the more personable chapters of space marine towards garden and humans in general
The raven guard are my favorite chapter. Corax is a beast.
That tale truly is heartbreaking. Thankfully, Astartes have two hearts
Are the Raven Guard still active or were they destroyed?
Very active
They are very much so active but they are rarely seen, a sign that they are doing well and achieving their goals
Sort of both, they were destroyed almost completely long ago, and remade.
frankly i suspect the captain was interested in sergi's tale. there are a few chapters that recognize the bravery and heroics of the guard facing xenos and chaos. look at the mortifactors and commissar caine. they acknowledge his deeds and gifted him a bolt pistol. he survived a hulk with genestealers and orcs where terminators didn't survive. he's faced other foes of the imperium and dueled with them winning time and time again.
sergi was in the right place and time for the captain to lay an ambush but that doesn't mean he didn't honor sergi and his brethern/sisters
Six minutes in and I am honestly surprised at Rho's reaction. The Raven Guard are amongst the most human of the Astartes. They fight EXPLICITLY for the little guy, the downtrodden, and for a concept of justice. There are several Corax quotes about this, including one regarding force without justice being tyranny.
The Raven Guard are products of a successful revolt from a populace full political prisoners and working class citizens held in eternal bondage by an oligarchy. Their Ravenspire is made from that prison complex and they are closer to the common people that many of the Astartes, including the Wolves of Fenris, who arff bark bark play the role of valkyrie choosers of the slain types to the ass backwards superstitious idiots of Fenris.
When Corax brought a world into compliance (might even have been Isstvaan, don't quote me on that) he gives a whole speech to the defeated how they bend the knee as beaten opponents but rise as citizens of the Imperium.
They also routinely gather data, particularly after battles. As far back as their White Dwarf Index Astartes article, it notes they hold post battle debriefings and reports, to analyze what happened, what might be done better.
And yes, it was obvious it was part of a larger play. The two are not indistinguishable.
Love the sons of Deliverance! Can you imagine how happy they'll be to find Corax, goth poetry in the chapter might decline by a full 3%
I think Salamanders would have put Sergej out of his misery as a favour.
Space Wolves would have definitely listened to the story, to then tell it again with more ninjas.
He's as cold as ice, he's willing to sacrifice.
By Corax the warp stalker you did a Raven Guard vid!
in my opinion the raven guard are the deadliest loyalist chapter that specialize in stealth tactics 😊
The surprising part is that a Captain of the 4th Company spoke as they are known as the Silent for a reason. I can not wait for Corax to return and be a part of 40k, but I fear that I will be long dead before that happens since GW has shown they don't care about any of the first founding other than the Ultramorons, and to a lesser degree the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves.
Yea this makes me sad, I would love to have my Warp Demon Primarch messing shit up on the battle field.
Tactical compassion ftw
Only in death does duty end. Rest easy trooper, your in the Emperor's hands now.
If I was the guardsman, I would be happy helping take one more enemy with me...
If I had been in that guardsman shoes, I would've been glad and honored to have served as bait to insure the death of a plague marine before I go.
Salamanders definitely perhaps an intrigued space Wolf might want to hear the tale of how the death guard plague Marine was killed and show respect
I think it typifies the calculating nature of the Raven Guard. Except for a Salamander or Space Wolf, I just don't think any other Astartes would bend a knee to give a mortally wounded guardsman the time of day. To gather a bit of intel perhaps, but not from any other chapter save for those just mentioned.
My favourite legion after the Dark Angels.
Raven Guard are definitely my favorite Space Marine Chapter
If I were to somehow see one raven guard. I will wonder how many others I am not seeing
I really wish the raven guard had more books.
What was that at the end about not being able to feel the emotion, only able to offer a remembering? Other than fear (okay, and lust and associated) which emotions would they have trouble feeling?
Raven guard in particular struggle with their heavily brooding nature. They can grow reclusive, to the point of suspicion of their own brothers, it can be all-consuming and stripping them of pretty much their humanity without much hope of it returning
I think most of the first founding chapters would have done the same, it's surprising for RG because they're more like the Ninja Clan where other chapters are Samurai Clans
The shadows are full of truth and never strays from it’s true nature.
So freakin cool man! It’s both ofc!
Ah yes the 8 ft tall tank armor wearing ninjas. I'll stick to the white scar thanks.
Or, he'll remember the troopers tale because his post human brain doesn't give him any choice
I find the parent chapter resemble their primarch, and it gets murky after the first founding...example being storm wardens, and astral claws(red corsairs)...
I love Raven Guards they are "no bullshit" legion. I remember Agapito facing a world eater, the world eater guesture a challenge in meelee combat. But Agapito is here for revenge, for killing traitors, so he take out plasma pistol, blast the traitor face off in one shot and move on. Dont bring chain axe to a merciless no bullshit fight or you get one shoted. Or Sharrowkyn, to him killing the best swordfighter EC has to offer is no different than killing the low life traitor scum. A bunch of badass getting shit done they all are.
It seems the author remembers that Ravens are carrion birds.
The angels might listen, might also have a suck, depends who it was. The wolufs and fists would listen if they had the time.
The bearers of the word would listen as well. Just to have the last word.
The problem i have with the RG, is how theyve pretty much pinched the BAs, lets use jet packs.
Born on a prison planet, jet packs for all.
BA, primarch with wings, only a few can fly. What.
Something about stealthy and 7-foot tall power-armour clad creates dissonance for me
And Sergei helped take down the dreadnought
Marvelous.