Big E to Alpharius : Hey have you talked to my other son Rogal Dorn ? I believe you and he will be best o’ buddies ... now zip it the adults are talking .....
Translation... Corax: Dad give me toys! Big E: Here's the key and no im not going to disable the security. I want more loyalist marines to die needlessly...
I too, want Big E and his primarchs to be a happy family. I hope and pray that one day we will get a continuation of Alfabrusa's TTS with the God Emperor.
Tbh, if you were corax and though u were alone… how happy would you be to not only get a father back but siblings? Thats vulkan lvls of humanity there. My man was a solo man yearning for a family…and he found it. The real horror was the heresy when he lost half of them…along w most of his legion. Man cant get a fucking win….
The emperor cares about the primarchs. The emperor cares about everything. Literally. Everything. But because if this, he is also 100% willing to sacrifice any or all of his sons without a second thought as long as it furthers his ultimate goals. But he held back on horus despite the massive betrayal. he intended to go easy on Magnus, despite Magnus unintentionally dooming the future of mankind. He went easy on lorgar, despite lorgars insistence on disobeying his most important command. These small moments of weakness are the proof that he really does see them as sons
@@Thedodogos Dembski-Bowden's a shit writer who's completely incapable of making the Imperium anything other than moustache-twirling villains. Fucking _Ultramarines_ opening fire on civilians in Monarchia. Because someone threw a glass bottle. At a fucking space marine. In _power armor._
IMO The Emperor does actually try to care, but after tens of millennia being a being of elevated mind and body, he simply has stunted emotions like compassion and empathy. So though he does try to be a good father/role model, he's simply just bad at it, combined with the pressure of duty and vision he has to humanity, he tends to forget he can put his long term goals on the back burner for a bit, to take time for the now. Hence every primarch having daddy issues.
And every Primarch had different daddy issues depending on their relationship with each of them. If they were simply weapons of war he'd have treated them all the same, probably the way he treated Loregar and Angron
I think Angron was a knee jerk reaction from the Emperor. I do believe he cared, but he arrived in the moment just before his son was going to die. He didn't think about the ramifications just that he had to save his son. So he chose the closest most assured way of getting him to safety. Lorgar ... well I think in a way the emperor just didn't understand Lorgar. He tried to be patient with him and tried to give him time to grow out of his beliefs, but ultimately had no answer for a son who needed to believe in something high than humanity. A son who needed faith in a god. Sad, because both Angron and Lorgar were sons who could have had a genuine expiriance with the emperor if their situations had been only a little different. If Lorgar had spent decades with the emperor, learning from him as horus did, or if Angron had seen the emperor come like an angel from the sky and join him and his warriors in battle with their oppressors. They would be the most loyal of his sons.
The Emperor calls the immence radiance of his psychic might an "occupational hazard", that absolutely kills me. As if he isn't totally trying to make the biggest entry possible.
I'd say he's not, as everyone sees something different in him, whatever they want to see based on how the power radiating from him effects them. Take the tech adept Arkhan Land in Master of Mankind when the Emperor is performing surgery on Angron's brain and assessing whether he can remove the butchers nails without killing him, and refers to him as XII instead of Angron. Land observes that the Emperor is every part the Omnissiah, cold, calculated, efficient. John Grammaticus the perpectual saw the Emperor at the beginning of the Great Crusade as a golden man, huge like a Primarch in his armour, but no golden light, no radiance or majesty, just a gilded king playing at Empire. Corax sees the man himself, normal man size and without fancy trappings except the eagle necklace.
@@greypilgrim228my guy the fact that Corax saw through the illusion and slowly had his senses and will power overwhelmed by the Emperor just shows that the Emperor does this shit on purpose
I agree I absolutely love this channel now so glad I found it. You can really feel the fandom which is brilliant as a massive 40k,30k fan myself of the table top game and the books it's really good to find channels like this I mainly listen to these when I'm painting . Keep up the good work my friend
You know what’s annoying me? According to the official order of the rediscovery of the Primarchs, Corax was found *before* the 11th Primarch, so how can the 2nd and 11th Primarchs be already ‘the forgotten and the purged’ if one of them hasn’t even been found yet? They should just switch Corax and the 11th Primarch around in the order of rediscovery and that would fix this.
Jormundyr NIF Right on, man- they seem so much more likable and “real” than Guilliman, Dorn, and some of the others. Almost like they are real people, with emotions and failings, etc- instead of just the idea of what a “super person “ would be, with no doubts or questions that they want answered. Edit- I do realize that the more books that have come out, the more we realize just how much doubt Guilliman and co. have- but first impressions are hard to get past, sometimes.
@@tunguskalumberjack9987 Very true! It is possible part of that is the fact that the Horus Heresy was a do or die. So doubts were something that kinda had to be avoided. On order to try and mitigate mistakes or second-guessing
I'm still up in the air. It could be a manipulation. A means to an end. When he fought Horus, he may have thought as a Perpetual, he would be fine. Until he saw Horus strike down a Perpetual (I know, this is as a result of a ret con..) which may actually make it more pertinent. Guilliman said, "we are tools for the Emperor" (paraphrasing) Is it because the emperor is so shattered from his time on the throne that he sees his sons that way? Or has he always?
Adrien Watson He had the full power to instantly destroy Horus. This is why even in his completely broken body and on the floor, he was able to unleash his pshykic power and completely erase Horus’ physical and soul form. In his full might before the fight, why hold back against something that threatened his entire plan? Horus was truly a son when even in the books, the emperor was described having to hold back compassion in order to fully destroy Horus. After seeing half his sons remain traitors, his imperium dwindle in power and majesty every year, and the possibility that he fights chaos every day and is near death, for 10000 years, he likely would have lost most of his humanity, but not to say that he never had it. For he is still only a man, and any man can expect to turn cold after so long.
@@londonworkman7617 I have a tendancy to agree with you. However, being the devils advocate.... The Emperor is a perpetual. The Emperor can see the future. (In an inaccurate way) I know the current lore is a ret con. Yet the story and actions of the God Emperor make more sense if his mind was changed by Horus' killing of the Imperial Gaurdsman/golden one/Astartes (who can keep track these days 😉) Brilliant Primarchs have even said, we are nothing more than his tools... even before they were corrupted. Once again. I have a tendancy to agree with you. The Siege of Terra should clear it up.. I have yet to read Solar War, we will see what happens with the next book.
Adrien Watson Fair argument. But I feel as many keep forgetting just how long the Emperor has lived. Remember, he’s lived through countless wars, atrocities, and has seen great empires fall and crumble. He was there at mankind’s peak, and he was there to witness its downfall and lowest points. With all the bloodshed, corruption, and evil he’s seen, it would only be reasonable to assume he’d go cold to a certain point. Hence, why many of his sons state they feel as if they’re tools. Then again, it differs from author to author, and I’d much prefer that Black library would follow the more fatherly emperor in the near future. I also haven’t read about the golden one or retconned perpetual that I’ve been told Horus killed. What book was that in?
_"Read the novel for yourself first"_ Good advice ... buuuut, nope. This channel and your content just wets the appetite even more. After seeing your videos, I just HAVE to read the books. Thanks for the content!
One of the reasons I like Corax so much is because of Deliverance Lost is how Corax shows how much knowledge the Primarchs have built into them, how much he remembers of the Emperor and the gene labs. How he knew he was XIX. That we get to see what a young Primarch can do and knows was so amazing
@@blan_k4691 I can just imagine the sideways glance and hear the slurp of the coffee as he steps off the ramp, slippers and morning robe and a walf awakened expression
TBH it's not just Primarchs who can see through the golden facade of the Emperor. The Blood Angel released from prison in The Master of Mankind, (one of the Crusader Host), is led towards the Golden Throne along with multiple skitarii and guard regiments, and as they enter the main room of the Imperial Dungeon are commanded not to turn around, just keep marching towards the portal gate. Many still look round and are frozen to the spot, their minds unravelling with the rapture and despair. The Blood Angel can't help glancing behind and gasps as he sees the Emperor behind the doors they entered, far above upon a humming throne of cables, while the ordinary guardsmen obviously see a figure of light, the Blood Angel sees an ordinary man, no taller than average and of no distinguishing features, in abject agony, his eyes tightly shut with the pain, hands firmly gripping the arms of the throne and nails dug into the surface. Fortunately he's then pushed on by his Custodes handler into the portal and on into the webway, and the story continues, otherwise he'd have lost his mind looking upon the Master of Mankind. Obviously this might be the author's writing at fault, but it could just as easily be that the pressure and mental strength it takes to power the golden throne is sapping the Emperor's energy to such a degree that the mask is slipping, and perhaps even the ordinary men and women of the guard and skitarii saw him too.
I think the Emperor was very intrigued by Corax because his liberation of Deliverance is a micro form of the Emperors dream for the Imperium. Corax didn't seek power, he used the power he was gifted for the freedom for his people....LITERALLY what the Emperor is and wants too. Perhaps Corax became exactly the man Emps wanted, even when torn from his father's upbringing, he became the warrior that was intended for #19
Except the Emperor does seek power and does demand that people kneel to him and obey his command The Emperor is a tyrant throwing on the illusion of a liberator (and im a custodes fan, its just a fact, the Emperor was not a freedom fighter, he was not a liberator, he offered planets two choices "join me or die") The emperor didn't enact the Great Crusade out of some grand benevolent design, if he had benevolence at heart he would have appeared during the DAOT not wait until mankind lived in squalor and then offer them the choice of "Imperial Compliance"
@@nicholasbrown668 if he wanted power. He could of given up and become the dark king. Hell let Terra fall and ascend as the 5th Chaos God, but no he fights on raging against the dying of the light. "Humanity does not submit to fate we shape it" -Ferrus Manus He suffers ever more so humanity could survive. Originally he wanted humanity to eventually govern itself and never forever to rely on him. Which is why he slowly set up the Council of Terra. Like Corax who eventually wanted to retire and fade into Myth.
@@gamechanger8908 *sigh* bud stop acting all high and mighty on a comment written almost a year before the End and The Death Vol III also the way EaTDVIII, was written basically asserts that the Emperor will become the Dark King, the Dark King already exists, his domain in the warp is already there, he already has deamons. Whether it's 10k years from now or 1 million, the Dark King already exists
@@nicholasbrown668 your comment is still very... subjective. It's why I mentioned previous established lore that is yet to be retconned. Since it contradicts your claims.
@@gamechanger8908 you mentioned an out of hand qoute from Ferrus and an old propaganda point of the Imperium, nothing you stated contradicted anything I said The High Lord's were still and were always going to be beneath the Emperor and his word, the Emperor and His Sons were still going to be in charge no matter what he told the High Lord's, Guilliman had his empire, each of the sons controlled worlds/sectors The militaries of mankind were wholly controlled by the Primarchs and The Emperor, baseline humans were never going to rule alone and my comment really isn't subjective, the existence of The Dark King, quite literally justifies everything I said, the Emperor is the embodiment of tyranny and ceaseless conquest and destruction, The Emperor was never a truly good man he has compassion yes and base human emotions, but even Hitler had compassion for his dog's it doesn't mean that he was a good man And as far as corax? cool half of his brothers wanted to continue to rule their worlds and domains as they saw fit and there is literally *zero* way you can argue that, using one Primarch out of 18 as a gotcha is just weak asf again don't comment on near year old comments trying to act superior
I like to think Emps is of two minds for his kids. His warmth is genuine and real, but he also understands to the core of his being that they are also tools and weapons for his cause, and he can switch between the two as needed for the current events. Also, certain sons, those who ended up more like his plans for them, have an easier time drawing out that fatherly side of him.
I guess there is a very good reason corax hates what has happened during the heresy and just went kratos into the warp. the importance entrusted to him and then get's screwed over by alpharius/omegon and all his brothers that betrayed his father's imperium
Another very emotional reaction to Corax's question about he had gotten there. Anger at the warp for taking his sons and sadness at their loss. Sounds like a father to me
I've heard of some of the other stories as to what each Primarch saw when they first witnessed there father and I always liked how Corax saw his father as just a normal human at the core that most could and would never see. Know each son saw a different image.
Sounds like Corax was another of the Emperor's favorites and trusted Corax would know him for who is and there would be no problems or complications with his meeting. Another point to is that this is another reference to the Emperor watching his children in their incubation pods. Something that wasn't necessary or of benefit to him or the Imperium. It just shows he had feelings and interest in each of them for them not what they were or could be. Most new fathers do watch their children sleeping in the nursery. I personally found watching my son sleeping through the glass of the nursery after he was born to be very relaxing and happy experience. Godlike power may corrupt but it doesn't eliminate the emotions. At least not for humans.
"The Shadow knows what lurks in the hearts of men..." If people like to call Curze a nightmare Batman, then would Corax be the Shadow? Or is he more of a The Crow, reference?
@@OmniGSage tbf, he grows up in a shithole planet with parallels to Gotham, and the Night Lords have a Bat theme aesthetic. But in a way, Curze is more so the Bat who laughs.
Anything Revolving around the Emperor is great!!. Im quite an Emperor Fan to the point that I've been kit-bashing Guilliman into the Emperor :D Keep up the work Rho!!!
I personally Love the Heart worming Emperor, Showing that no matter how dire the galaxy maybe, there is always hope. And i absolutely Love it and hope we can see more of a Human Side to the Emperor/his sons.
So over the last few days you have made my job more enjoyable aswell as easier, as im a truck driver, and since finding your videos they have been on non stop as something for me to listen too. Thank you sir
I absolutely love your channel, sir. Not yet have you ever made a lame/stupid/disappointing video and you give the respect to collected works that they deserve. I hope to hear some of the newer novels since Guilliman's awakening.
With the description of landing the craft via psychic powers I can't help but get this mental image of Big E in his gold power armor, leaning back in a giant recliner with a purple medieval style coronation cloak with white ermine, with a giant martini in one hand and a gold cane in the other. with a pistol grip pump in his lap, suitably sized and gold plated of course. and when the door opens he's blastin "California Love". that or Keep Their Heads Ringin.
Wolf..., I’m just a guy in the states. Your humanity, your grasp, of (sometimes), the tenderness of the “grim dark”, is an inspiration!!! Isn’t it great, the lore we’re given. I dig many of your contemporaries on the “tube”.., most of em’ are GREAT; honestly.Though your emotion is evocative, and expresses how the emperor truly feels about the primarchs...his sons. Having a son of my own, it’s evident. Your enthusiasm is contagious (that’s good😇). I’ve listened to many of your episodes, all wonderfully done .. Please Sir.., keep up the great job you do. Your enthusiasm is infectious 😎 This is a blanket post for all I’ve heard from you thus far.. The Emperor protects..... PS...my son is my light ☀️
I for one, found it much simpler to pick the best rated 40k books of the Post Heresy 40k time line, just to learn about the universe and what the Imperium became with the God-Emperor on the Golden Throne, before I go into the Horus Heresy series and get personal with the primarchs and the 30k timeline
I feel that the emperor lacked the ability to properly process his emotions and communicate and convey his thoughts, he was so engrossed with saving mankind and being basically a god-like being that he failed to see his own weaknesses.
Corax seems cool man, I never really cared about him but now he's probably below Dorn in my top list... also Emperor father best emperor... after GOD EMPEROR of course
Given the Impression Guilliman had upon his return and meeting with the Emperor, and then taking the 30K-view into account, the question whether he played the affection part or lost it after the millennia is propably an intended design, maybe even as his disguise of the Emperors personality ; after all, he did his best to give Chaos as little intel on him as possible.
What about Sanguinius? He always felt far more holy and absent to me than human, where would Sanguinius stand on the scale of being 'human'? I know the Emperor loved Sanguinius, but it couldn't have been because of his humanity. Or maybe im wrong, would love to hear thoughts^^
Another great video! Thank you for sharping your passion with us. Just out of curiosity is the video of the Emperor and his bargain with the chaos gods a possibility? The Emperor protects!
I’m not really sure how to interpret how the emperor sees his sons. In some books he seems to genuinely care about them, but in others like Master of Mankind, when he shows a custodian a vision of the past he says the primarchs are “godlings that insist they are my children”. (Paraphrasing there)
Yeah master of mankind gave us a very different emperor. I always found adb is much more suited to writing chaos storylines. Still had some great moments though! The great thing about the lore is we can all have our own likes and dislikes yet still enjoy it!
I just choose to ignore adb’s version of the emperor. Making the emperor non caring for his sons makes him a boring character. On top of that, if the emperor didn’t care for his sons he wouldn’t have held back on horus.
ADB is the exception to how the Emperor is portrayed. Even from the beginning of the lore, the Emperor loved his sons. The final battle with Horus is a great example of this. Horus recollections are written that way, which syncs up with Corax, Magnus, Gulliman, and Sanguinius recollections. Even Malcador's notes indicates the Big E cared. ADB is a great writer, but should stick to Chaos. And leave his daddy issues out of things, tah much.
@@wolflordrho Yes! ADB is my favorite writer, but he's RED TEAM no matter what he says. Clearly the Emperor loved his "sons" even if he didn't see them as literal sons. He murdered every single priest in the GALAXY... but refuses to kill Lorgar at Monarchia?
Jago Sevetar true. I think the emperor loved them back when he was still flesh and blood, but I think when you’ve lived for as long as he has, love can be a little difficult to outwardly express. In 40k though, I think the emperor is way too detached from humanity for the word love to hold real meaning for him, he might just feel like staying on the throne is something he is fated to do.
Corax and his relationship with the emperor is an interesting one. He did get a lot of the Emp’s trust but I truly think that was down to the humanity shown in the first meeting. With the likes of Curze and Angron, you can see why he took the stance he did but the sincerity and open honesty put Corax meant otherwise. First video from you I’ve checked out and I really liked it. Gonna end up binging primarch lore no doubt. Whilst the 40k universe is amazing, there’s just something about the heresy that pulls me in. It’s mainly down to the human stories of brother vs brother that sets the stage for the most horrific of conflicts. Keep up the good work.
I would pay good money to have Rho read me entire Warhammer books while stopping every now and then giving his thoughts. My favourite channel on YT right now.
@@wolflordrho Yeah man. You make very good points about how different writers have clearly taken different stances on the subject. Since the lore obviously shows both versions of this neither is right or wrong. Which version we want probably says more about us than it does the lore = ) It's also possible that both are true enough in different contexts. The line where Guilliman says "it was like conversing with a star" (roughly) has always struck me; so much efficient imagery in that statement.
@@wolflordrho Hey question, do you know which book has Malcador and the Emperor discussing suspicion about a Papa Smurf coup? I've seen talk of it on the interwebs but I can't find the source.
yes it's from Vengeful Spirit. It's a great little conversation! I'll do an upload on it one day. But it's a bit over blown about Guilliman in my opinion. The Emperor doesn't seem too concerned. And the Lion is going to Ultramar of his own accord. Not because the Emperor has asked him too.
@@wolflordrho Hey, thanks for your response and the upload. It does seem over blown regarding Guilliman....the interesting things from that conversation are about other people. = )
Just morty… angron was a lost cause… In the master of mankind, the board of regicide w uncle. Morty was loyal. Only after E figured out that morty turned did he have a revelation of how the end game would play out… E thought he woukd win if the death guard stayed loyal. Tbh. Horus would have more than likely lost hard af. Should that have been true. Istvann would have been very much different indeed..
unlikely, its meant to make the possibillity of fan made astartes of any sort possible, those fan made are simple decendants of astartes legions of the missing primarchs, who we will know nothing about, thus making any astartes warband possible
@@gawkthimm6030 you can still do that, just have the geneseed be unreadable or something so you can design it how you want and call the differences mutations in the geneseed itself. You design the lore of your homebrew so having lost or seal records of what primarch you came from is an easy way to make up whatever the hell you want. Or just use any combo of Chimeric Geneseed, passive gene fuckery, passive warp fuckery, and dedicated warp fuckery, and you could make a home brew chapter of literal pigeons and make it work. The lost primarchs played their part but they don’t need to be secret anymore
New to the warhammer stuff, but I fell immediately for the lore. I use videos like yours to determine what books to read or listen to, so I appreciate your recommendations
Really happy to have found your channel, as I have loved the lore from the Horus heresy. Just my two cents worth on the Emperor, he seems the ultimate contradiction: everything to everyone, being able to project himself however he wants to each individual. I'm sure there is some depth of humanity still there, but I would never fully trust him. As I would never be certain what I was feeling was genuine, or instilled by the Emperor. The impression of John Gramattica from the novel Legion resonated the most true for me.
I think every primarch represents a side of the Emperor, and how the Emperor reacts to them is a reflection of how he perceives himself. Perturabo is the cold and calculating, ruthless side of the Emperor; the Emperor sees it as necessary, but can't bring himself to love it. In Corax, he sees his hope for peace, in Vulcan he sees his humanity, and in Magnus he sees his ambition for humanity. In Sanguinius he sees his striving to take the wretch that humanity has become and making it something better. So, in a sense, all the primarchs are truly his sons. One exception would be Angron. Angron would be a part of the Emperor that could empathize with humans, but he was corrupted beyond saving, which explains why Angron was spared, but also why the Emperor essentially gave up on him after understanding the butcher's nails couldn't be removed without killing him.
First of all sorry for my english, anyway i wanted to say, your voice is extremely pleasant, im a wh40k old fan since 4 edition, and its the first time i see something like you did, good job sir and continue this way! subscribe.
I like the fact that emperor appeared in the midst of an operation alone. He is the freaking emperor and he can do what he wants! Best entrance in Warhammer 40k🔥🔥🔥
Corax: I'm bursting with questions.
Emps: Hello Bursting with questions, I'm dad
Laughed too hard at this tbh. Lol
The Emperor's dad jokes are even epic!
Mangus: Dad, I'm got dire news to tell you!
Big E: Hello dire news to tell you, I'm dad.
@@inkedseahear mehh, you failed at that one
And thus Corax fell to Chaos.
Corax : dad give me toys
Big E: dont let your brothers know
Alpharius: mwahahaha
Big E to Alpharius : Hey have you talked to my other son Rogal Dorn ? I believe you and he will be best o’ buddies ... now zip it the adults are talking .....
@@exgi76gmailcom Rogal is a bad ass
@@richardvaldes3959 Rogass is coming for traitors' alses!
Translation...
Corax: Dad give me toys!
Big E: Here's the key and no im not going to disable the security. I want more loyalist marines to die needlessly...
I had to clean the coffee out of my keyboard an from my monitor spurting it out reading this omg.
I love the Emperor smiling at Corax's happiness of hearing of his brothers. That's beautiful.
"CORVUSSS!" -as vulkan proceeds to hugs corvus
Haha wholesome af 😃
I too, want Big E and his primarchs to be a happy family. I hope and pray that one day we will get a continuation of Alfabrusa's TTS with the God Emperor.
Tbh, if you were corax and though u were alone… how happy would you be to not only get a father back but siblings? Thats vulkan lvls of humanity there. My man was a solo man yearning for a family…and he found it.
The real horror was the heresy when he lost half of them…along w most of his legion. Man cant get a fucking win….
If the emperor is so great, why didn’t he just make kids the old fashion way? These aren’t real kids. They’re lab expirements
The emperor cares about the primarchs.
The emperor cares about everything.
Literally. Everything.
But because if this, he is also 100% willing to sacrifice any or all of his sons without a second thought as long as it furthers his ultimate goals.
But he held back on horus despite the massive betrayal. he intended to go easy on Magnus, despite Magnus unintentionally dooming the future of mankind. He went easy on lorgar, despite lorgars insistence on disobeying his most important command.
These small moments of weakness are the proof that he really does see them as sons
I see you haven't read Master of Mankind.
@@Thedodogos I have. It's shit. I refuse to accept it as canon.
@@inveld2896 Here Here brother Here Here!
@@Thedodogos Dembski-Bowden's a shit writer who's completely incapable of making the Imperium anything other than moustache-twirling villains. Fucking _Ultramarines_ opening fire on civilians in Monarchia. Because someone threw a glass bottle. At a fucking space marine. In _power armor._
@@ElectromagNick That, sounds ridiculously stupid
IMO The Emperor does actually try to care, but after tens of millennia being a being of elevated mind and body, he simply has stunted emotions like compassion and empathy. So though he does try to be a good father/role model, he's simply just bad at it, combined with the pressure of duty and vision he has to humanity, he tends to forget he can put his long term goals on the back burner for a bit, to take time for the now.
Hence every primarch having daddy issues.
Well said 👍🏼
And every Primarch had different daddy issues depending on their relationship with each of them. If they were simply weapons of war he'd have treated them all the same, probably the way he treated Loregar and Angron
Welp, I’ll get the Emperor’s Centurion.
I think Angron was a knee jerk reaction from the Emperor. I do believe he cared, but he arrived in the moment just before his son was going to die. He didn't think about the ramifications just that he had to save his son. So he chose the closest most assured way of getting him to safety.
Lorgar ... well I think in a way the emperor just didn't understand Lorgar. He tried to be patient with him and tried to give him time to grow out of his beliefs, but ultimately had no answer for a son who needed to believe in something high than humanity. A son who needed faith in a god. Sad, because both Angron and Lorgar were sons who could have had a genuine expiriance with the emperor if their situations had been only a little different.
If Lorgar had spent decades with the emperor, learning from him as horus did, or if Angron had seen the emperor come like an angel from the sky and join him and his warriors in battle with their oppressors. They would be the most loyal of his sons.
True. But i think that hes like this due to him removing his humanity in the fight with horus. Until the star child re emwrges. We wont know
Emperor to Corax - as long as you don’t become some warp infused shadow tearing around the warp we good k.
I Want to go in a Box for 10.000 years
Talos Valkoran the box does not judge, it only hates!
@@marcogypaetus9607 Heh. I can imagine the Emperor calling Corax a ravenfucker, and Corax being edgy yet chill with it.
No promises are made
Corvax to Emperor - Yeah but what if Lorgar REALLY sucks
The Emperor calls the immence radiance of his psychic might an "occupational hazard", that absolutely kills me. As if he isn't totally trying to make the biggest entry possible.
I'd say he's not, as everyone sees something different in him, whatever they want to see based on how the power radiating from him effects them.
Take the tech adept Arkhan Land in Master of Mankind when the Emperor is performing surgery on Angron's brain and assessing whether he can remove the butchers nails without killing him, and refers to him as XII instead of Angron. Land observes that the Emperor is every part the Omnissiah, cold, calculated, efficient.
John Grammaticus the perpectual saw the Emperor at the beginning of the Great Crusade as a golden man, huge like a Primarch in his armour, but no golden light, no radiance or majesty, just a gilded king playing at Empire.
Corax sees the man himself, normal man size and without fancy trappings except the eagle necklace.
Big E, doesn't stand for Big Emperor, it's stands for Big Entrance
@@Palemagpie+
Let it laughed out loud at this, thanks.
@@greypilgrim228my guy the fact that Corax saw through the illusion and slowly had his senses and will power overwhelmed by the Emperor just shows that the Emperor does this shit on purpose
Pretends at humble-ness but has a massive ego that MUST be kowtowed to.
Isn't that Slaaneshi? Excess? arrogance?
I like this portrayal of the emperor more than the cold character he is in other stories.
Sorry him being cold is such an inconvenience for you. He only has the weight of all humanity on his shoulders.
One is nothing without the other. The grandeur of the Emperor is perfectly exhibited through both these aspects.
Mate, this channel is easily becoming one of the best 40k channels around. Keep it up!
Thanks for the support!
Isnt it just! Wolf lords passion is easily detected and dare i say the only reason the channel isnt even bigger is just time!
It really is. He doesn't just give bits of the information, but digs into it and really explores it.
I agree I absolutely love this channel now so glad I found it. You can really feel the fandom which is brilliant as a massive 40k,30k fan myself of the table top game and the books it's really good to find channels like this I mainly listen to these when I'm painting . Keep up the good work my friend
Agreed!
18 sons? Come now Wolf Lord; Malcador can't hurt you anymore.
Hahaha
*19 sons, don't forget the twins
Ryan Olivier 21 sons
@@Modelstl063 we don't speak of those 2
You know what’s annoying me? According to the official order of the rediscovery of the Primarchs, Corax was found *before* the 11th Primarch, so how can the 2nd and 11th Primarchs be already ‘the forgotten and the purged’ if one of them hasn’t even been found yet? They should just switch Corax and the 11th Primarch around in the order of rediscovery and that would fix this.
Underrated primarch. Can't wait for vulkan and corax return
Maybe the two of them could have adventures in a ..... Bro Trip.
Corax. The only Primarch that I would want to spend time with, and would enjoy doing so.
I love Corax, Vulkan and Magnus the most. Even though the last one got tricked into joining the dark side
Jormundyr NIF Right on, man- they seem so much more likable and “real” than Guilliman, Dorn, and some of the others. Almost like they are real people, with emotions and failings, etc- instead of just the idea of what a “super person “ would be, with no doubts or questions that they want answered. Edit- I do realize that the more books that have come out, the more we realize just how much doubt Guilliman and co. have- but first impressions are hard to get past, sometimes.
@@tunguskalumberjack9987 Very true! It is possible part of that is the fact that the Horus Heresy was a do or die. So doubts were something that kinda had to be avoided. On order to try and mitigate mistakes or second-guessing
Corax is the most down to earth of all the primarchs.
Vulkan
*STOMP STOMP*
Say what?
Always gets me pumped for the gym..
Gains for the emperor
💪🏼
If he didn’t care for his sons, he wouldn’t have held back on Horus. Simple as that.
I'm still up in the air.
It could be a manipulation.
A means to an end.
When he fought Horus, he may have thought as a Perpetual, he would be fine.
Until he saw Horus strike down a Perpetual (I know, this is as a result of a ret con..) which may actually make it more pertinent.
Guilliman said, "we are tools for the Emperor" (paraphrasing)
Is it because the emperor is so shattered from his time on the throne that he sees his sons that way?
Or has he always?
Adrien Watson
He had the full power to instantly destroy Horus. This is why even in his completely broken body and on the floor, he was able to unleash his pshykic power and completely erase Horus’ physical and soul form.
In his full might before the fight, why hold back against something that threatened his entire plan? Horus was truly a son when even in the books, the emperor was described having to hold back compassion in order to fully destroy Horus.
After seeing half his sons remain traitors, his imperium dwindle in power and majesty every year, and the possibility that he fights chaos every day and is near death, for 10000 years, he likely would have lost most of his humanity, but not to say that he never had it. For he is still only a man, and any man can expect to turn cold after so long.
I fear a retcon coming... I hope not. But I think we’ll get a change to the Horus, emperor showdown.
@@londonworkman7617 I have a tendancy to agree with you.
However, being the devils advocate....
The Emperor is a perpetual.
The Emperor can see the future. (In an inaccurate way)
I know the current lore is a ret con.
Yet the story and actions of the God Emperor make more sense if his mind was changed by Horus' killing of the Imperial Gaurdsman/golden one/Astartes (who can keep track these days 😉)
Brilliant Primarchs have even said, we are nothing more than his tools... even before they were corrupted.
Once again. I have a tendancy to agree with you.
The Siege of Terra should clear it up..
I have yet to read Solar War, we will see what happens with the next book.
Adrien Watson
Fair argument. But I feel as many keep forgetting just how long the Emperor has lived. Remember, he’s lived through countless wars, atrocities, and has seen great empires fall and crumble. He was there at mankind’s peak, and he was there to witness its downfall and lowest points. With all the bloodshed, corruption, and evil he’s seen, it would only be reasonable to assume he’d go cold to a certain point. Hence, why many of his sons state they feel as if they’re tools. Then again, it differs from author to author, and I’d much prefer that Black library would follow the more fatherly emperor in the near future.
I also haven’t read about the golden one or retconned perpetual that I’ve been told Horus killed. What book was that in?
_"Read the novel for yourself first"_ Good advice ... buuuut, nope. This channel and your content just wets the appetite even more. After seeing your videos, I just HAVE to read the books. Thanks for the content!
Corax was discussing his new curse words with his father when he first met him
What kind?
@@michatomaszewski9388 curze words, we are on a ''no nighthaunter need to know'' basis at this point..
@@redsampler2017 Nighthaunter please,
Son of a Horus,
Salamander Bitch, (going for son of a Bitch, but it's a bit of a stretch)
Corax: "It's not just a phase dad!"
"I know, I shouldn't have been reading Edger Allen Poe when you were in the tube."
I love this comment is from Rogal dorn lol.
You are WEAK
Ferrus Manus you are not friend ghost of manus
One of the reasons I like Corax so much is because of Deliverance Lost is how Corax shows how much knowledge the Primarchs have built into them, how much he remembers of the Emperor and the gene labs. How he knew he was XIX. That we get to see what a young Primarch can do and knows was so amazing
Happy corvus makes me feel strange
Really like this version of The Emperor
Corax saw the true Emperor. Just a guy.
*just Dad.
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 he saw him come out with his coffee, newspaper and bed robes.
@@blan_k4691 I can just imagine the sideways glance and hear the slurp of the coffee as he steps off the ramp, slippers and morning robe and a walf awakened expression
TBH it's not just Primarchs who can see through the golden facade of the Emperor. The Blood Angel released from prison in The Master of Mankind, (one of the Crusader Host), is led towards the Golden Throne along with multiple skitarii and guard regiments, and as they enter the main room of the Imperial Dungeon are commanded not to turn around, just keep marching towards the portal gate. Many still look round and are frozen to the spot, their minds unravelling with the rapture and despair.
The Blood Angel can't help glancing behind and gasps as he sees the Emperor behind the doors they entered, far above upon a humming throne of cables, while the ordinary guardsmen obviously see a figure of light, the Blood Angel sees an ordinary man, no taller than average and of no distinguishing features, in abject agony, his eyes tightly shut with the pain, hands firmly gripping the arms of the throne and nails dug into the surface.
Fortunately he's then pushed on by his Custodes handler into the portal and on into the webway, and the story continues, otherwise he'd have lost his mind looking upon the Master of Mankind.
Obviously this might be the author's writing at fault, but it could just as easily be that the pressure and mental strength it takes to power the golden throne is sapping the Emperor's energy to such a degree that the mask is slipping, and perhaps even the ordinary men and women of the guard and skitarii saw him too.
@@greypilgrim228 Aye, in master of mankind all the Silent Sisters see him as just a man. So all blanks would see him this way.
I like it when the emperor doesn't want to be a god but when he walk among the people they fall to the floor
Again... we almost hear about the two Primarchs that were forgotten.
I loved it. You should next read the meeting with Corax and Emperor after the Isstvaan massacre. Victorus Aut Mortis! :)
I will for sure!
I think the Emperor was very intrigued by Corax because his liberation of Deliverance is a micro form of the Emperors dream for the Imperium.
Corax didn't seek power, he used the power he was gifted for the freedom for his people....LITERALLY what the Emperor is and wants too.
Perhaps Corax became exactly the man Emps wanted, even when torn from his father's upbringing, he became the warrior that was intended for #19
Except the Emperor does seek power and does demand that people kneel to him and obey his command
The Emperor is a tyrant throwing on the illusion of a liberator (and im a custodes fan, its just a fact, the Emperor was not a freedom fighter, he was not a liberator, he offered planets two choices "join me or die")
The emperor didn't enact the Great Crusade out of some grand benevolent design, if he had benevolence at heart he would have appeared during the DAOT not wait until mankind lived in squalor and then offer them the choice of "Imperial Compliance"
@@nicholasbrown668 if he wanted power. He could of given up and become the dark king. Hell let Terra fall and ascend as the 5th Chaos God, but no he fights on raging against the dying of the light.
"Humanity does not submit to fate we shape it"
-Ferrus Manus
He suffers ever more so humanity could survive.
Originally he wanted humanity to eventually govern itself and never forever to rely on him. Which is why he slowly set up the Council of Terra. Like Corax who eventually wanted to retire and fade into Myth.
@@gamechanger8908 *sigh* bud stop acting all high and mighty on a comment written almost a year before the End and The Death Vol III also the way EaTDVIII, was written basically asserts that the Emperor will become the Dark King, the Dark King already exists, his domain in the warp is already there, he already has deamons. Whether it's 10k years from now or 1 million, the Dark King already exists
@@nicholasbrown668 your comment is still very... subjective. It's why I mentioned previous established lore that is yet to be retconned. Since it contradicts your claims.
@@gamechanger8908 you mentioned an out of hand qoute from Ferrus and an old propaganda point of the Imperium, nothing you stated contradicted anything I said
The High Lord's were still and were always going to be beneath the Emperor and his word, the Emperor and His Sons were still going to be in charge no matter what he told the High Lord's, Guilliman had his empire, each of the sons controlled worlds/sectors
The militaries of mankind were wholly controlled by the Primarchs and The Emperor, baseline humans were never going to rule alone
and my comment really isn't subjective, the existence of The Dark King, quite literally justifies everything I said, the Emperor is the embodiment of tyranny and ceaseless conquest and destruction, The Emperor was never a truly good man he has compassion yes and base human emotions, but even Hitler had compassion for his dog's it doesn't mean that he was a good man
And as far as corax? cool half of his brothers wanted to continue to rule their worlds and domains as they saw fit and there is literally *zero* way you can argue that, using one Primarch out of 18 as a gotcha is just weak asf
again don't comment on near year old comments trying to act superior
I sincerely hope you cover his fight against Lorgar. Lorgar always needs more humbling.
#BlameLorgar
Which one?
The battle is known as "BIRD BOY RUTHLESSLY SMACKS DOWN WHINEY BITCH"
Lorgar was always a punching bag for the of his Primarch brothers.
Even Guilliman nearly beaten him to a pulp until Angron showed up.
@@HaloFTW55 hold up, GUILLIMAN beat someone up and ANGRON stopped him? whas this on opposite day
Corax the favorite and treated mostly like the excited child and getting a audience with the emperor
I like to think Emps is of two minds for his kids. His warmth is genuine and real, but he also understands to the core of his being that they are also tools and weapons for his cause, and he can switch between the two as needed for the current events. Also, certain sons, those who ended up more like his plans for them, have an easier time drawing out that fatherly side of him.
I agree with you 💯
I guess there is a very good reason corax hates what has happened during the heresy and just went kratos into the warp. the importance entrusted to him and then get's screwed over by alpharius/omegon and all his brothers that betrayed his father's imperium
if anyone is looking for the background music, I am 95% sure it is "children of the omnissiah" from the 40k mechanicus OST
YES. . Thanks man.
Victorus aut Mortis.
You and majorkill are my personal favs for warhammer lore
Thank you
MajorKill is how I found this channel
Luetian a strong contender aswell
Another very emotional reaction to Corax's question about he had gotten there. Anger at the warp for taking his sons and sadness at their loss. Sounds like a father to me
I've been buying the books since I found your channel. After Leutin09 your my favourite 40k guy.
Leutin09? Never heard of her.
Thanks 👍🏼
@@MmmChipotle for real?, go watch his stuff
@@gawkthimm6030 nah man I'm just kidding.
Loved the video, I like the more human Emperor. :) He protects afterall.
Wellp, lets continue with this good addiction
Keep them videos coming, they are amazing as always!
thanks!
I've heard of some of the other stories as to what each Primarch saw when they first witnessed there father and I always liked how Corax saw his father as just a normal human at the core that most could and would never see. Know each son saw a different image.
Corax is a good kid.
Wolf , you take this warhammer lore to another level bro. Great work
Thank you!
Sounds like Corax was another of the Emperor's favorites and trusted Corax would know him for who is and there would be no problems or complications with his meeting.
Another point to is that this is another reference to the Emperor watching his children in their incubation pods. Something that wasn't necessary or of benefit to him or the Imperium. It just shows he had feelings and interest in each of them for them not what they were or could be.
Most new fathers do watch their children sleeping in the nursery. I personally found watching my son sleeping through the glass of the nursery after he was born to be very relaxing and happy experience. Godlike power may corrupt but it doesn't eliminate the emotions. At least not for humans.
O man Wolf Lord Rho! I got Goose Bumps listening to this video. Thank you Brother.
-The888thEmperorsChamp
thank you!
"The Shadow knows what lurks in the hearts of men..."
If people like to call Curze a nightmare Batman, then would Corax be the Shadow? Or is he more of a The Crow, reference?
Zakiriel definitely the crow ..
So many people call Curze Batman, but I don't see that, he's almost a 1-1 with Vlad III Tepes.
Corax: "So you think the shadow is your ally? You've merely used the shadows."
@@OmniGSage tbf, he grows up in a shithole planet with parallels to Gotham, and the Night Lords have a Bat theme aesthetic. But in a way, Curze is more so the Bat who laughs.
The Emperor's entrance made my heart race a little 😵...the writing of that character is absolutely gold
Your enjoyment of 40k shines brightly through your commentary and ais pleasure to listen to
Anything Revolving around the Emperor is great!!.
Im quite an Emperor Fan to the point that I've been kit-bashing Guilliman into the Emperor :D
Keep up the work Rho!!!
thank you!
1+ armour save and 50 wounds, kills any 1 within 6 inches
In the grim darkness of 40k (and 30k) there is only not peace.
Love it! keep them coming.. where is my Alpharius-Omegon conversation? this is what i wait for.
Another great video to watch while on call, keep them coming Rho!
I personally Love the Heart worming Emperor, Showing that no matter how dire the galaxy maybe, there is always hope. And i absolutely Love it and hope we can see more of a Human Side to the Emperor/his sons.
So over the last few days you have made my job more enjoyable aswell as easier, as im a truck driver, and since finding your videos they have been on non stop as something for me to listen too. Thank you sir
I absolutely love your channel, sir. Not yet have you ever made a lame/stupid/disappointing video and you give the respect to collected works that they deserve. I hope to hear some of the newer novels since Guilliman's awakening.
Thank you :) I will cover newer novels too.
Wolf Lord Rho, my favorite Warhammer youtuber. Makes videos with topics that are actually interesting. Keep them coming.
Thank you!
Excellent as always mate keep up the great work one of the best 40k youtubers around :)
Thank you :)
With the description of landing the craft via psychic powers I can't help but get this mental image of Big E in his gold power armor, leaning back in a giant recliner with a purple medieval style coronation cloak with white ermine, with a giant martini in one hand and a gold cane in the other. with a pistol grip pump in his lap, suitably sized and gold plated of course. and when the door opens he's blastin "California Love". that or Keep Their Heads Ringin.
Wolf..., I’m just a guy in the states. Your humanity, your grasp, of (sometimes), the tenderness of the “grim dark”, is an inspiration!!! Isn’t it great, the lore we’re given. I dig many of your contemporaries on the “tube”.., most of em’ are GREAT; honestly.Though your emotion is evocative, and expresses how the emperor truly feels about the primarchs...his sons. Having a son of my own, it’s evident. Your enthusiasm is contagious (that’s good😇).
I’ve listened to many of your episodes, all wonderfully done ..
Please Sir.., keep up the great job you do.
Your enthusiasm is infectious 😎
This is a blanket post for all I’ve heard from you thus far..
The Emperor protects.....
PS...my son is my light ☀️
Corax being excited that he has brothers!! I love that. I absolutely love the human side of this characters!
Battle Brother, another Great Work, Keep them coming 😀,May Emperor Bless you 😎 and ty For This 😎 !!!.
This series actually got me to pick up the first Horus Heresy book, the only 40k book I’ve read so far
I hope you enjoyed it!
I for one, found it much simpler to pick the best rated 40k books of the Post Heresy 40k time line, just to learn about the universe and what the Imperium became with the God-Emperor on the Golden Throne, before I go into the Horus Heresy series and get personal with the primarchs and the 30k timeline
Corax is my favorite primark and he one of the smart clever fighter to of the primarks
Russ > Corax
Just saying.
I liked him the minute he shoved that bible down Lorgar's throat 😂
I feel that the emperor lacked the ability to properly process his emotions and communicate and convey his thoughts, he was so engrossed with saving mankind and being basically a god-like being that he failed to see his own weaknesses.
I love how much you love reading these passages
I love the lore AND making the videos to talk about it with you guys. So it’s a win win :)
Really do look forward to these videos mate keep it coming!
Thank you
Corax seems cool man, I never really cared about him but now he's probably below Dorn in my top list... also Emperor father best emperor... after GOD EMPEROR of course
I just love this channel!
Thanks!
Been like a week since subscribed and it gives me motivation to get to each of these books. But doing HH in order.
Really starting to get in to 40k thank you 🤩
Given the Impression Guilliman had upon his return and meeting with the Emperor, and then taking the 30K-view into account, the question whether he played the affection part or lost it after the millennia is propably an intended design, maybe even as his disguise of the Emperors personality ; after all, he did his best to give Chaos as little intel on him as possible.
Totally a both thumbs up moment for the series of a dad and his boys . Well done Wolfe👍👍
Gotta say I love this channel, I just stumbled upon it and I’m profoundly happy I did. Keep it up!!!!
this channel and Luetin09 are two of the best for lore/narration on YT at the moment
What about Sanguinius? He always felt far more holy and absent to me than human, where would Sanguinius stand on the scale of being 'human'? I know the Emperor loved Sanguinius, but it couldn't have been because of his humanity. Or maybe im wrong, would love to hear thoughts^^
He was more like a quarter god. He had immense pyhcic power, and was very smart, so he was one of the Emperor's favorite sons no doubt.
Another great video! Thank you for sharping your passion with us. Just out of curiosity is the video of the Emperor and his bargain with the chaos gods a possibility? The Emperor protects!
Thanks! Yes I HAVE to cover that in an upload at some point!
So wholesome! I loved hearing the humanity in them both. I neeeed more of this!!!!
I swear such a tease I really want to know about the other two brothers 😆
Deliverance hath come!
I’m not really sure how to interpret how the emperor sees his sons. In some books he seems to genuinely care about them, but in others like Master of Mankind, when he shows a custodian a vision of the past he says the primarchs are “godlings that insist they are my children”. (Paraphrasing there)
Yeah master of mankind gave us a very different emperor. I always found adb is much more suited to writing chaos storylines. Still had some great moments though! The great thing about the lore is we can all have our own likes and dislikes yet still enjoy it!
I just choose to ignore adb’s version of the emperor. Making the emperor non caring for his sons makes him a boring character. On top of that, if the emperor didn’t care for his sons he wouldn’t have held back on horus.
ADB is the exception to how the Emperor is portrayed. Even from the beginning of the lore, the Emperor loved his sons. The final battle with Horus is a great example of this. Horus recollections are written that way, which syncs up with Corax, Magnus, Gulliman, and Sanguinius recollections.
Even Malcador's notes indicates the Big E cared.
ADB is a great writer, but should stick to Chaos. And leave his daddy issues out of things, tah much.
@@wolflordrho Yes! ADB is my favorite writer, but he's RED TEAM no matter what he says. Clearly the Emperor loved his "sons" even if he didn't see them as literal sons. He murdered every single priest in the GALAXY... but refuses to kill Lorgar at Monarchia?
Jago Sevetar true. I think the emperor loved them back when he was still flesh and blood, but I think when you’ve lived for as long as he has, love can be a little difficult to outwardly express. In 40k though, I think the emperor is way too detached from humanity for the word love to hold real meaning for him, he might just feel like staying on the throne is something he is fated to do.
i love the children of omnisiah OST in the background of youre videos
I am really liking your lore vids man
Thank you
My favourite 40k channel, good commentary and selection of lore and well presented. Keep it up, I look forward to more.
So am I the only one who gets Corax and Curze mixed up.
I’m kinda disappointed that this isn’t about nightmare batman meeting the Big E.
Lamb *laughs in Konrad curze*
No I was confused for a second as well until I thought about it. 40k has a literal fuck ton of lore and it is hard to know it all.
@@gimiked8685 that sounds like a challenge sir....I ACCEPT
you got ''the crow'' and ''batman'' mixed up? heresy!!!
Corax and his relationship with the emperor is an interesting one. He did get a lot of the Emp’s trust but I truly think that was down to the humanity shown in the first meeting. With the likes of Curze and Angron, you can see why he took the stance he did but the sincerity and open honesty put Corax meant otherwise.
First video from you I’ve checked out and I really liked it. Gonna end up binging primarch lore no doubt. Whilst the 40k universe is amazing, there’s just something about the heresy that pulls me in. It’s mainly down to the human stories of brother vs brother that sets the stage for the most horrific of conflicts. Keep up the good work.
I would pay good money to have Rho read me entire Warhammer books while stopping every now and then giving his thoughts. My favourite channel on YT right now.
Rho is doubling down on the Emperor as a loving father. ^.^ I trust Papa Smurf. Papa Smurf protects.
Just my preference :) I understand the lore is going a very different way with the emperor!
@@wolflordrho Yeah man. You make very good points about how different writers have clearly taken different stances on the subject. Since the lore obviously shows both versions of this neither is right or wrong. Which version we want probably says more about us than it does the lore = ) It's also possible that both are true enough in different contexts. The line where Guilliman says "it was like conversing with a star" (roughly) has always struck me; so much efficient imagery in that statement.
@@wolflordrho Hey question, do you know which book has Malcador and the Emperor discussing suspicion about a Papa Smurf coup? I've seen talk of it on the interwebs but I can't find the source.
yes it's from Vengeful Spirit. It's a great little conversation! I'll do an upload on it one day. But it's a bit over blown about Guilliman in my opinion. The Emperor doesn't seem too concerned. And the Lion is going to Ultramar of his own accord. Not because the Emperor has asked him too.
@@wolflordrho Hey, thanks for your response and the upload. It does seem over blown regarding Guilliman....the interesting things from that conversation are about other people. = )
Talk about the first "gift" Corvus presented to his childhood friend, the little girl
... yet when the Night Lords do it it's 'wrong' :p
If only the Emperor was this interested in Angron and Montarion they would have turned out so different.
Just morty… angron was a lost cause…
In the master of mankind, the board of regicide w uncle. Morty was loyal. Only after E figured out that morty turned did he have a revelation of how the end game would play out… E thought he woukd win if the death guard stayed loyal. Tbh. Horus would have more than likely lost hard af. Should that have been true. Istvann would have been very much different indeed..
I love the idea of mystery about the other 2 Primarchs. But I wouldn’t hate it if their stories were told at some point.
unlikely, its meant to make the possibillity of fan made astartes of any sort possible, those fan made are simple decendants of astartes legions of the missing primarchs, who we will know nothing about, thus making any astartes warband possible
@@gawkthimm6030 you can still do that, just have the geneseed be unreadable or something so you can design it how you want and call the differences mutations in the geneseed itself. You design the lore of your homebrew so having lost or seal records of what primarch you came from is an easy way to make up whatever the hell you want.
Or just use any combo of Chimeric Geneseed, passive gene fuckery, passive warp fuckery, and dedicated warp fuckery, and you could make a home brew chapter of literal pigeons and make it work.
The lost primarchs played their part but they don’t need to be secret anymore
"the emperor was average"
every single inquisitor - HERESY!!!
New to the warhammer stuff, but I fell immediately for the lore. I use videos like yours to determine what books to read or listen to, so I appreciate your recommendations
Thanks for the daily ration of WH40K lore.
Your style of reading and choice of music triggers an emotion that'd classify me as a Slaanesh worshipper.
+1 sub
The positivity of these videos make them run down very well with "TTS". Actually this video makes me watch the BRO-TRIP episodes again :D
Its always a good day when wolf lord makes content.
Playlists? Yes please, thank you kindly
I like the background sound it's fits perfectly for meeting a father and emperor
Really happy to have found your channel, as I have loved the lore from the Horus heresy. Just my two cents worth on the Emperor, he seems the ultimate contradiction: everything to everyone, being able to project himself however he wants to each individual. I'm sure there is some depth of humanity still there, but I would never fully trust him. As I would never be certain what I was feeling was genuine, or instilled by the Emperor. The impression of John Gramattica from the novel Legion resonated the most true for me.
I think every primarch represents a side of the Emperor, and how the Emperor reacts to them is a reflection of how he perceives himself. Perturabo is the cold and calculating, ruthless side of the Emperor; the Emperor sees it as necessary, but can't bring himself to love it. In Corax, he sees his hope for peace, in Vulcan he sees his humanity, and in Magnus he sees his ambition for humanity. In Sanguinius he sees his striving to take the wretch that humanity has become and making it something better.
So, in a sense, all the primarchs are truly his sons.
One exception would be Angron. Angron would be a part of the Emperor that could empathize with humans, but he was corrupted beyond saving, which explains why Angron was spared, but also why the Emperor essentially gave up on him after understanding the butcher's nails couldn't be removed without killing him.
I love your channel mate. Keep up the good work. Good voice, nice reading pace. Love the thoughts you have on the lore.
First of all sorry for my english, anyway i wanted to say, your voice is extremely pleasant, im a wh40k old fan since 4 edition, and its the first time i see something like you did, good job sir and continue this way! subscribe.
I like the fact that emperor appeared in the midst of an operation alone. He is the freaking emperor and he can do what he wants! Best entrance in Warhammer 40k🔥🔥🔥
This is the second video i have watched, and im hooked