Nice to see you guys pushing yourselves out of comfort zone. These jobs make a difference between shops that are willing to learn and improve, and shops that are always doing same stuff. Can't wait on other parts!
Although something different, not something I would even commission to be done. An RS4 has a DSG gearbox for a reason. The older model RS4 is suited for manual gearbox. Not the B8.5 version. Just not the done thing. Aesthetics. Power. Gear changes. Auto gearbox changes quicker than manual. R8 manual B8 is awesome. Done properly. You wouldn’t then turn the V10 auto to a manual, would you? Not a good look. Great TH-cam content as always.
Love the channel. First person that springs to mind is Ricky at RE Performance. He knows a lot about Audi V8 and V10 including deep ECU programming. Good luck!
Hi from the US, I would speak to the Humble Mechanic here on YT ; he did a RS3 engine swap to a VW R32 which involved comparing and modifying the wiring harnesses and coding and Immobilizer etc. He has access to ODIS with his friend Paul at DAP parts. If he can get a mixed bag like that to work, I'm sure he could help with your simple swap. He has a YT video documenting that conversion as well.
Humble Mechanic's swap was actually a MK7.5 Golf R, not an R32. There was a shop in Connecticut that specialized in these swaps, but the owner now works for Equilibrium Tuning.
If it was originaly supplied like that then you can blame the german " everything is extra" way of pricing things. Used to be even a radio was extra. Once tried to order a RHD Audi in Germany as the list price was much cheaper and I could get a better discount , but by the time the salesman had added all the " extras" that were standard on the UK base car the price advantage was +- the exchange rate risk.....
Ultimately, if the ecu could work with the manual gear box that is perfect. If that is not happening, maybe just let that ecu think the car is in D mode then you could have full power. But there have to be a switch for the owner to switch between D and P (because the car is not able to be lock in D). I saw people did that with another auto car which doesn’t have manual variant. Thanks for interesting contents so long as a b9 owner.
Great video, as always! One comment though from an owner, who has several cars that are special to me - putting seat and steering wheel cover before getting into the car is a minimum I would expect from a reputable shop in order not to make the car dirty. It's a small detail for you, which is greatly appreciated by owners, in addition to the main thing - getting car fixed/serviced.
I clean my own car and it always is spotless. And I expect that I receive it back from the workshop in the same condition, without additional invoice for 350eur 😂@@VAGTechnic
Hey you should look into 4.0 tt swaps people are doing into older chassis. I believe they use the same med17 ecu and people know some trick to make them run with a manual. They usually use stock ecu with DS1 but not sure if thats for tuning only or necessary for manual trans.
If you can get your hands on a V8 stick Audi R8 from 2014/2015 era that could be helpful in resolving this in terms of software files. Also you are likely dealing with two ECU's. Maybe APR tuning out of the US could figure this one out? They do ECU tunes on the EA824 FSI motors up and down the range of the variants.
If you took this project on to educate your subscribers, thank you and well done. If you took it on to make money and not know that this would be a nightmare, you must be nuts 😂 Good luck, I think you’re going to need it. Can’t wait for the outcome. Thank you.
You could talk to humble mechanic or with the guys from Mighty car mods. They did a full engine swap on a polo , making it the only polo Gti in Australia and they had a tehnician who made all sorts of changes on the different modules of the car.
if you contact the owner of ignition tube TH-cam channel in the US, he did the manual swap with that chassis and I'm sure he would be happy to point you in the right direction.
Many thanks for the compliment, but these guys are pushing the boundaries of what’s possible! Mine was fairly straightforward, and I have to defer my competency to my buddy Matt who helped me through the entire process.
You will most definately need a map with custom code, I have never looked at this particular swap and what's needed to make it run as an OEM car - but my first thought is to patch in related functions from a different MED17 software which has the support for manual gearbox aswell😊 This sparked my interest for sure, I've done many softwares with custom coding for swaps etc before - lmk if you still need help with this👍
After watching this segment, all that I can think about is how much better off I am with my B8 S4 6-speed Avant. I suspect that if Frederick wanted more performance from a manual B8 or similar this might have been the more practical jumping off point.
I think you can use can hack tools, to made some external module, that can emulate info about selector position to ECU. And some other parameters such torque from DSG, temps, etc.
Going to need the clutch switch signal to start and for cancel cruise if gear change. But you still need the brake switch input for other functions, also need to recode the ESP as a manual as will be looking for gear info which will be missing on the bus but that's not not going to work with the RS4 calibration maybe? might have to tell ESP unit the car is an S4 manual , but then the ABS TCS ESP parameters will be a compromised - quite a few relevant differences between S4 and RS4. Even if it basically works you might get plausibility errors generated.
A stand alone would be the "easy" way to solve these problems. It's the solution when a car doesn't have the ability to do what you want it to do. I'd be interested what others can do for you with programming the stock ECU. Good luck!
Hv you guys considered making a suitable ‘dolly’ to fit in place of the front subframe so you can get vehicles off the ramp and out of the workshop while waiting on parts etc
Absolutely excellent and interesting video :) Do you guys sell merch at all - my son has been pestering me to ask you for months as he wants a VAG T-shirt or hoodie :)?
So the day is giving speed sensor and you need that signal from wheel speed sensor instead The park neutral switch is just an input output signal which could be converted to ignition switch or something like that to let ecu gets signal
I was running through all the signal inputs from an auto into the bus versus next to nothing from a manual while the engine was coming out. My way to work would be to get the two wiring diagrams and make the wiring changes before installation, but I cannot escape the liklihodd of using an ECU from a manual V8 car to ease the process. I eagerly await the outcome (and total cost) of this project.
@VAG Technic One of the options is to get ECU from manual S4/S5 and assemble it that way. It would definitely need a tune but those versions did actually have manual as an option, other than that, standalone ECU or tune from scratch :/ .
Still likely not going to work, what you going to do about ESP for instance ? that's tuned for Auto and RS4 engine suspension brakes etc., There are probably several toher ECU's that will get freaked by no gear info on the Bus. Unless this guy only wants to use the car for drag racing etc. this is going nowhere I suspect as I don't see how to do it and still get a german TUV ( MOT) approval for road use.
@@jabberwockytdi8901 Different ESP sensors, different steering column stalk, possibly ABS pump(bc of ESP), newer abs pumps "can" be made so they are standalone-bc of esp(I have heard of only two cars with this). This is "lets see if it works" Project, TUV compatibility is something the owner will have to work through.
so just a thought I had and not sure if it would work but what if you code all the important modules like the ECM and gauge cluster and whatever else is necessary to make it happy to think it is an S5 with a manual then have ECM tuned for that engine. so I know you changed the coding so it is manual but so many of the modules are connected maybe the whole car needs to think it's an S5 with a higher performance engine. just a thought, don't know if it would help, just putting it out there. and I hope it all works out.
I hope you replaced all those bushings on the used gear lever assembly. The amount he's paying you'd hosting think he'd want a new one or one that's like new condition
I need help!!! My old junk 3.0 tdi is broken asb, I can not push pedal to the metal, its like motor is disapering after 3500 rpm what can it be, excepr hpfp and pressure regulator 😢, no fault codes during this cut of thrust
Possible issues I can think of are Speed sensor for the Speedo? Does it come off the Canbus? I know on C5 RS6 manual swaps everyone ends up with TPMS & Antilock faults. They need something beyond a regular performance tune with someone knowledgable enough to do the special tune. Maybe MRC? I think the mechanical part will be fairly straight forward since their were S4/S5 manuals. Some wiring changes due to the two switches on the clutch assembly so things like the Cruise control will work properly and disengage when the clutch is pressed, etc....
@@VAGTechnic You'll have to get into the wiring schematics. I don't have the A4 schematic to look at but it's probably close or the same as the A5. For the A5 on Pg 1/29 it shows the two pedal switches. One goes straight to the ECU and the other ties into a wire that goes from the ECU (different pin from the other switch) to the J393, Convenience system central control unit. In the A5/S5/RS5 it is the big unit with multiple plugs in the right rear cubby hole in the boot. Doing the wiring is the most time consuming. I know there is a couple of cars in the States that have been done.
I meant to say Phill will be your best bet in UK. There are someone in Poland but most likely he will need the car to work on aswell. They haven’t got a map to base on 🤦♂️
Pretty sure that car is MED17. You are likely going to need a CAN emulator for the DSG signals. If you have the CAN messages I could build you an emulator. Not sure my S6 DSG has the same signals as the RS4.
I'm curious what code ECU is being used here, bc here in the US the RS5 (same engine as RS4 in this video) ECU will not take the manual coding so this is thought to be impossible. But it sounds like the RS4 ECU took the manual coding no problem?
Can you not use a canbus repeater to fake the codes that ecu is expecting. I got very close to fixing a Renault scenic with electronic dual clutch auto. Mine had a dead gearbox ECU. With an inexpensive canbus repeater was able to tell engine ecu that gearbox ecu is present to start the car.
Alex vw retrofit in redditch and for software/tuning will at performance torque. He is not far from you and is a wizard wuth tuning and software calibration
37:50 problem is in communication between engine and gearbox computer, maybe you should put computers from audi with 6 speed manual gearbox and install tune from v8 engine computer, or it should look like you swapped engine in audi with manual gearbox
Doesn't look like the owner did all of his homework before letting you guys do the swap, while the hardware might fit the software certainly doesn't. Hope you guys figure this out though.
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Nice to see you guys pushing yourselves out of comfort zone. These jobs make a difference between shops that are willing to learn and improve, and shops that are always doing same stuff. Can't wait on other parts!
Although something different, not something I would even commission to be done. An RS4 has a DSG gearbox for a reason. The older model RS4 is suited for manual gearbox. Not the B8.5 version. Just not the done thing. Aesthetics. Power. Gear changes. Auto gearbox changes quicker than manual. R8 manual B8 is awesome. Done properly. You wouldn’t then turn the V10 auto to a manual, would you? Not a good look. Great TH-cam content as always.
@@lifeslooker Actually it is very desirable to turn the R-tronic V10 into a manual.
You say "there is no manual", but it's right there in the boot!
😂👌🏻
I see what you did there. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
it's like when a math problem asks you to find "X".
The steering wheel is exactly where it needs to be!
Amen 😉
Love the channel. First person that springs to mind is Ricky at RE Performance. He knows a lot about Audi V8 and V10 including deep ECU programming. Good luck!
Hi from the US, I would speak to the Humble Mechanic here on YT ; he did a RS3 engine swap to a VW R32 which involved comparing and modifying the wiring harnesses and coding and Immobilizer etc. He has access to ODIS with his friend Paul at DAP parts. If he can get a mixed bag like that to work, I'm sure he could help with your simple swap. He has a YT video documenting that conversion as well.
He referenced HM's video of swapping the S4 DSG to manual.
If he can't doing they can't because this is Audi not VW
Humble Mechanic's swap was actually a MK7.5 Golf R, not an R32. There was a shop in Connecticut that specialized in these swaps, but the owner now works for Equilibrium Tuning.
That’s a good guy to give a call😁
You all are quite fortunate to have RS4s and RS4 avants. Amazed that it came with the budget/non-sport seats in this spec
If it was originaly supplied like that then you can blame the german " everything is extra" way of pricing things. Used to be even a radio was extra. Once tried to order a RHD Audi in Germany as the list price was much cheaper and I could get a better discount , but by the time the salesman had added all the " extras" that were standard on the UK base car the price advantage was +- the exchange rate risk.....
Those are the comfors seat and they were an option for RS4 and RS5...
Comfort seat option
This one is interesting, waiting for the result.
from the US, Martin Harp is a guy to contact, much experience with can bus and manual swaps.
While I always enjoy your videos for their vast amount of useful info, I thoroughly enjoyed the music as well.
Ultimately, if the ecu could work with the manual gear box that is perfect. If that is not happening, maybe just let that ecu think the car is in D mode then you could have full power. But there have to be a switch for the owner to switch between D and P (because the car is not able to be lock in D). I saw people did that with another auto car which doesn’t have manual variant. Thanks for interesting contents so long as a b9 owner.
Great content Thomas.... I hope you resolve all the issues
Great video, as always!
One comment though from an owner, who has several cars that are special to me - putting seat and steering wheel cover before getting into the car is a minimum I would expect from a reputable shop in order not to make the car dirty. It's a small detail for you, which is greatly appreciated by owners, in addition to the main thing - getting car fixed/serviced.
Or ! Do a full clean in price for 350£ 🥰
I clean my own car and it always is spotless. And I expect that I receive it back from the workshop in the same condition, without additional invoice for 350eur 😂@@VAGTechnic
Super cool conversion.
Hey you should look into 4.0 tt swaps people are doing into older chassis. I believe they use the same med17 ecu and people know some trick to make them run with a manual. They usually use stock ecu with DS1 but not sure if thats for tuning only or necessary for manual trans.
Nice coupe at the back. Same colour as my S2 Coupe also Left-hand Drive
Fascinating and challenging. You guys have done well to get it running. Hope you get it sorted soon enough.
Absolutely crack pot crazy doing that conversion.amazing workmanship but the owners mental wanting that done .
Great video as usual guys
Love the conversion content keep it up, super cool project. Really good definition and explanation
If you can get your hands on a V8 stick Audi R8 from 2014/2015 era that could be helpful in resolving this in terms of software files. Also you are likely dealing with two ECU's. Maybe APR tuning out of the US could figure this one out? They do ECU tunes on the EA824 FSI motors up and down the range of the variants.
Absolutely beautiful condition RS4,crazy the cats are no good at that mileage! Also seems a shame putting those dirty parts on such a clean car!
If you took this project on to educate your subscribers, thank you and well done.
If you took it on to make money and not know that this would be a nightmare, you must be nuts 😂
Good luck, I think you’re going to need it. Can’t wait for the outcome. Thank you.
Honestly, Ricky is your best guy..
He pass 😀
I doubt he would want to involve himself in someone else's carnage. He would do the whole swap or none of it.
Phil from mallory performance should get it sorted. Good luck
You could talk to humble mechanic or with the guys from Mighty car mods. They did a full engine swap on a polo , making it the only polo Gti in Australia and they had a tehnician who made all sorts of changes on the different modules of the car.
great work guys nice to see you doing some thing different and out of your comfort zone hope you get it sorted out .👍👍
if you contact the owner of ignition tube TH-cam channel in the US, he did the manual swap with that chassis and I'm sure he would be happy to point you in the right direction.
Many thanks for the compliment, but these guys are pushing the boundaries of what’s possible! Mine was fairly straightforward, and I have to defer my competency to my buddy Matt who helped me through the entire process.
He's already been mentioned but Ricky at RE Performance is the man based on his vast experience at Audi.
How clean/original is this car 👌
You will most definately need a map with custom code, I have never looked at this particular swap and what's needed to make it run as an OEM car - but my first thought is to patch in related functions from a different MED17 software which has the support for manual gearbox aswell😊
This sparked my interest for sure, I've done many softwares with custom coding for swaps etc before - lmk if you still need help with this👍
Ricky at RE Performance.
Just about to mention RE Performance. Ricky knows his stuff mechanical and software
He declined to become involved and quite rightly so.
I hope you guys are successful in completing the project. I don't want to see you reverting the car back to a DSG version. Good luck
Really nice content guys. Good editing and filming.
I did swap allroad c5 from auto to manual... I did recode abs unit and gauge cluster but ecu ned it a flash and car was like it shoud be 😊😊
Wow I have been thinking of doing it for ages. I hope you finish this project so I'll bring mine to your garage ❤
This conversion mystifies me, but I hope you get it sorted. Where there is a will there is a way. But why?
Talk to Humble Mechanic , he knows what to do !
After watching this segment, all that I can think about is how much better off I am with my B8 S4 6-speed Avant. I suspect that if Frederick wanted more performance from a manual B8 or similar this might have been the more practical jumping off point.
What a video, imagine if you could offer a turn key solution - kick arse
I think you can use can hack tools, to made some external module, that can emulate info about selector position to ECU. And some other parameters such torque from DSG, temps, etc.
Someone did a manual swap on Audi rs5 in USA. The car was tuned to over 1000 hp so he could possibly help. It's on TH-cam that video of the RS5
Ah good, you look happier since the last vid.
Going to need the clutch switch signal to start and for cancel cruise if gear change. But you still need the brake switch input for other functions, also need to recode the ESP as a manual as will be looking for gear info which will be missing on the bus but that's not not going to work with the RS4 calibration maybe? might have to tell ESP unit the car is an S4 manual , but then the ABS TCS ESP parameters will be a compromised - quite a few relevant differences between S4 and RS4. Even if it basically works you might get plausibility errors generated.
A stand alone would be the "easy" way to solve these problems. It's the solution when a car doesn't have the ability to do what you want it to do. I'd be interested what others can do for you with programming the stock ECU. Good luck!
This could be a great conversion.
Brilliant video very interesting!
" hmmmm hmmmm, hmmm hmmm " 😂
Next upgrade it needs is a JXB drive shaft carrier and JXB shifter kit 😊!
The guy in Northampton normally appears in Calvin's car diary
@@Hondascooterguy will @ VRS?
Cs engineering in Newcastle, fantastic V.a.g outfit
Mmm, interesting! 😊. I enjoyed that. 👍
Having watched the US one on youtube a few months back was very interested to see how you got on. Would love to do my B8.5 Cabrio S5 at some point.. 👍
Shift lock, just use a phillips screwdriver down on the white plastic piece where the ashtray goes.
I was screaming this at the screen when I saw them fighting with the selector
Please give us an update. I would love to ship my car from Germany to you to get the same conversion :-D Would love my RS4 to be a manual ...
Hv you guys considered making a suitable ‘dolly’ to fit in place of the front subframe so you can get vehicles off the ramp and out of the workshop while waiting on parts etc
doby cameo!!! gorgeous
mario from m2 motortechnik in the us has performed a manual swap on a B8 rs5
Great Video, interesting experiment, as an owner totally not worth it in my humble opinion
Absolutely excellent and interesting video :) Do you guys sell merch at all - my son has been pestering me to ask you for months as he wants a VAG T-shirt or hoodie :)?
So the day is giving speed sensor and you need that signal from wheel speed sensor instead
The park neutral switch is just an input output signal which could be converted to ignition switch or something like that to let ecu gets signal
How clean is the underside of that car. Never seen salt by the looks of it.
I was running through all the signal inputs from an auto into the bus versus next to nothing from a manual while the engine was coming out. My way to work would be to get the two wiring diagrams and make the wiring changes before installation, but I cannot escape the liklihodd of using an ECU from a manual V8 car to ease the process. I eagerly await the outcome (and total cost) of this project.
S5 V8 was manual , but it’s slightly different
can you do a video on the Audi UrS4/S6 2.2l 5 cylinder
@VAG Technic One of the options is to get ECU from manual S4/S5 and assemble it that way. It would definitely need a tune but those versions did actually have manual as an option, other than that, standalone ECU or tune from scratch :/ .
Still likely not going to work, what you going to do about ESP for instance ? that's tuned for Auto and RS4 engine suspension brakes etc., There are probably several toher ECU's that will get freaked by no gear info on the Bus. Unless this guy only wants to use the car for drag racing etc. this is going nowhere I suspect as I don't see how to do it and still get a german TUV ( MOT) approval for road use.
@@jabberwockytdi8901
Different ESP sensors, different steering column stalk, possibly ABS pump(bc of ESP), newer abs pumps "can" be made so they are standalone-bc of esp(I have heard of only two cars with this).
This is "lets see if it works" Project, TUV compatibility is something the owner will have to work through.
Well that was a good idea!
so just a thought I had and not sure if it would work but what if you code all the important modules like the ECM and gauge cluster and whatever else is necessary to make it happy to think it is an S5 with a manual then have ECM tuned for that engine. so I know you changed the coding so it is manual but so many of the modules are connected maybe the whole car needs to think it's an S5 with a higher performance engine. just a thought, don't know if it would help, just putting it out there. and I hope it all works out.
Try DDG in Bradford they put a dsg box into an Audi s1 and got all the coding spot on
Have you tried Doug at MRC tuning in Banbury?
Any outcome? Is it sorted?
nice job
I hope you replaced all those bushings on the used gear lever assembly. The amount he's paying you'd hosting think he'd want a new one or one that's like new condition
I need help!!! My old junk 3.0 tdi is broken asb, I can not push pedal to the metal, its like motor is disapering after 3500 rpm what can it be, excepr hpfp and pressure regulator 😢, no fault codes during this cut of thrust
I wonder if TurboLamik can help, they integrate z8HP autos in to cars so have the knowledge on CAN sniffing, coding etc and have a programable TCU.
I'm converting my A4 B6 soon. FWD, so hopefully much simpler. I don't trust a CVT with 197,000 miles on it. A new record?
Possible issues I can think of are Speed sensor for the Speedo? Does it come off the Canbus? I know on C5 RS6 manual swaps everyone ends up with TPMS & Antilock faults. They need something beyond a regular performance tune with someone knowledgable enough to do the special tune. Maybe MRC? I think the mechanical part will be fairly straight forward since their were S4/S5 manuals. Some wiring changes due to the two switches on the clutch assembly so things like the Cruise control will work properly and disengage when the clutch is pressed, etc....
The ecu don’t have clutch option in the loom . MRC didn’t want to help us 😀 out of comfort zone
@@VAGTechnic You'll have to get into the wiring schematics. I don't have the A4 schematic to look at but it's probably close or the same as the A5. For the A5 on Pg 1/29 it shows the two pedal switches. One goes straight to the ECU and the other ties into a wire that goes from the ECU (different pin from the other switch) to the J393, Convenience system central control unit. In the A5/S5/RS5 it is the big unit with multiple plugs in the right rear cubby hole in the boot. Doing the wiring is the most time consuming. I know there is a couple of cars in the States that have been done.
You must be mad taking on a job like this !!!!!
I meant to say Phill will be your best bet in UK. There are someone in Poland but most likely he will need the car to work on aswell. They haven’t got a map to base on 🤦♂️
Pretty sure that car is MED17. You are likely going to need a CAN emulator for the DSG signals.
If you have the CAN messages I could build you an emulator. Not sure my S6 DSG has the same signals as the RS4.
I'm curious what code ECU is being used here, bc here in the US the RS5 (same engine as RS4 in this video) ECU will not take the manual coding so this is thought to be impossible. But it sounds like the RS4 ECU took the manual coding no problem?
What aftermarket cats you use in these cars?
quick question. is it possible to convert a 2021 rs7 to manual ?
Can you not use a canbus repeater to fake the codes that ecu is expecting. I got very close to fixing a Renault scenic with electronic dual clutch auto. Mine had a dead gearbox ECU. With an inexpensive canbus repeater was able to tell engine ecu that gearbox ecu is present to start the car.
Alex vw retrofit in redditch and for software/tuning will at performance torque. He is not far from you and is a wizard wuth tuning and software calibration
Try salvage rebuilds, they know some one who’s mobile.
Try Diagnosed Dan, H da Man !!
Big job
You still using electric hand brake?
37:50 problem is in communication between engine and gearbox computer, maybe you should put computers from audi with 6 speed manual gearbox and install tune from v8 engine computer, or it should look like you swapped engine in audi with manual gearbox
Hey, why not put a ZF8 in there?
If you ask me I would put driveshaft straight on cranks
@@VAGTechnic😂😂😂
Isn't it possible to flash it to an manual s4 and flash only the engine to rs4?
Doesn't look like the owner did all of his homework before letting you guys do the swap, while the hardware might fit the software certainly doesn't. Hope you guys figure this out though.
Won't get a standalone ECU past the german MOT for road use ......
How are those cats bad already? Less than 25k miles and bad cats. Is that due to the gas quality or some kind of pops and bangs software?
hmm maybe play ice ice baby when cleaning...
The ECU needs to know it’s not automatic anymore , that’s it!
I would have put Milltek exhaust manifold on it while the engine was out.
Miltek sucks
odis online adaptation or desinstal first trans of gateway instalation bro i think
Done still no good 😪
Done still no good 😪
@@VAGTechnic ❤
Humble mechanic sis it I'm sure mate
36:28 ha, ha, i know what did you mean(i have proper AM v8 car)
What engine code? CFSA equipped with Bosch MED17.1.1 ECU?
Yes
TVS engineering in Netherlands maybe?
Nice to see a "proper" V8 with exhausts on the outsides of the vee instead of those stupid V6's and V8's with the turbos in the middle.
Ask Humble Mechanic he's done in on his S4 video on his channel
S4 is not a problem we have diagrams but it’s completely different to the rs