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Thanks, Dan. This is really a scandal. The gasket is defective, the screen falls out, the solenoid becomes plugged and the manufacturer sells a part for €2k to correct the problem. Sounds like a solid basis for a date in court. Thanks for this very understandable and clear explanation of what happens. As always a win.
Also a pretty NL problem, the importer here PON takes over the warranty from VW to get a higher margin (they also swap the conti tires with other brands like nexen). So some defects that are covered by VW Germany outside warranty won't be covered in NL, saw this with EGR and chain issues.The classic PON thing is also you are the "first" with this issue while half the lot is full of cars with the same issue.
Typical dealer replace not repair great to see people like you that give us hope of repairing our own vehicles at a fraction of the cost, great video once again Dan looking forward to the next one.
TBH every modern car is pretty sensitive, issue i run in with VW is they actually not take care of their customers when shit happens. Timing chain has worn out at 50.000km and 3 year... sucks to be you here is the bill.
@@f0x4nn3interval for changing timing chains or belts, doesn't matter, it's relative to the type of driving that you do. So if you mostly drive in cities, with congested traffic, short trips, sporty style of driving, that interval drops. Many problems can be avoided by regular maintenance.
Dan. You have managed to yet again demistify a very complex set of vehicle systems and break it down into very understandable sections, with solid repair options that can save the customer a lot of money. I love the recap and then the suggestion of the much cheaper preventative gasket change to stop this problem before it starts.
This attitude from manufacturers is completely nuts. Cudos Dan for showing how to troubleshoot and how actual mechanics actually CAN repair things - not just swap out parts!
Looking at the quality of work of most workshops I have seen, VAG might be correct to suggest to swap the part. There are are probably quite a few things you can do wrong repairing it yourself. Also who knows if the upgraded unit also solves other design flaws…
Outstanding. You explained what goes wrong, why, what to do to repair it and what NOT to do and why. That's the way to teach. Not many people do that. I am learning heaps about electronics also mechatronics, stuff that I shied away from. Well done. Supposedly retired 72 yr old mechanic/machinist in Land Down Under.
Great video and fix.I will make an effort to come and say hello at the AAA show.Now retired after 40 years as a transmission shop owner in Melbourne.@@Diagnosedan
Fantastic ! What a waste to throw away such a complicatedly made piece of engineered metal when it could be repaired and reused. Enjoy the beers Sam and Dan !
I enjoyed your troubleshooting as usual. It is a lot cheaper to repair than to replace the whole thing. I call that a mechanic and not just a part replacement, a mechanic like in the old days. 💪
Second video I've watched this week where an oil screen had disintegrated and jammed a solenoid. Ivan from Pine hollow Auto Diagnostics had one on a VVT phaser. Great content as always Dan.
Your video just proves that just replacing major parts is not the answer to so many problems. This was so educational and Dealerships need to learn these 'facts'. Thanks for your skills.
Dan, thank you for your time and interest. You are as good to us here on TH-cam as you are to the customers whose cars you repair. Even if we are not active in the automotive field, it is nice to see how certain technology works and how defects can be eliminated. Success 🇷🇴
Dan. You have yet again managed to diagnose and repair a very complex system in a step by step guide, with a recap as well. Such outstanding work as always, explained in such a way that makes it easy to both understand and follow. I love the tip of how to prevent this occurring in the first place. Dan definitely "does it again" Well done sir! 👌🏼
@@JeroenvanMontfortI know a few Camry Hybrid owners which learned the hard way how expensive Hybrids become once the warranty runs out. Some now drive Teslas.
ATSG - transmission service provider needs this bulletin. ATSG also offers vacuum test plate testing with passs fail readings to further diagnose amount of wear.
What a great fix, but I doubt whether even an authorised VAG dealer would bother to go as far, but just replace the mechatronics unit as a whole. Shame, really… Good to see you providing the fix details, Dan and great to see the old fashioned method of pals payments is still going strong! Nice one, Dan! 👏👏👏
@Diagnosedan it's hilarious that the filter screen designed to stop debris entering the solenoid is actually the culprit. I think Audi should be fixing this with a recall, clearly there is a manufacturing defect with that gasket from new, great work as always Dan 😊
Not a manufacturing defect but a design defect. K0 needs a bigger supply of oil, the extra force on the mesh flexes it to the point of fatigue failure. A larger orifice might be the answer.
this is a "problem" for the past 25 years. Passat W8 had this problem at the cam adjusters, S6 V10 had it also at the cam adjusters(just not that often). those sieve´s are there to catch chips left from production after a few miles they are not necessary anymore. so it protects the manufacturer against DOA products and gives the customer the problem at high mileages(hopefully after warranty🙄). the new gasket could´ve been installed without the sieves and it would work just fine. at the Passat W8 you get a new cam adjuster valve and put out the sieves so they dont damage anything. possible chips from production cant be there anymore. oil filter will do the trick now.
This was a great vid as usual. For twenty years of my automotive career, I was Automatic transmissions only. That was 23 years ago. A lot has changed since then.
Amazing diagnosis and tear down. In addition it shows the compounding effect of community knowledge and experience. Dan you are certainly a leader and influencer in your field of work. As usual….DIAGNOSE DAN FIX IT AGAIN!!! And man Audi loves cheap oil screens that break. Geez.
Thanks, Dan, now it just needs someone to remanufacture that screen in a more robust way and you won't have to keep replacing it. I enjoy your videos and the fact that you provide an independent solution to manufacturers faults.
way to go the extra kilometer to get to the bottom of this problem. great diag as always Dan!! love the videos that do deep dives into repairs that can also save $$$. hopefully some day we can do a diagnostic and share a beer TOGETHER!
Rich irony when a part designed to protect other parts fails and destroys the part it is supposed to protect. Thank you for educating us and not accepting unit replacements as a solution when a smaller component will fix it.
Somebody GET this man more SUBSCRIBERS...Spread the word make him a household name...😅 He has earned it...and then some! As for manufacturers who KNOW about issues like this and still don't do what is right...they should be prosecuted. But the law-makers are asleep at the wheel as always. Imagine if they passed a law that forces any manufacturer to provide a MINIMUM 10 YEAR WARANTY on their vehicles... how they would start making cars as good as they used to...or better...oh well, one can dream at least! Thank you Dan... yet again!
The problem you have highlighted Dan should be accepted by the manufacturer as a recall. A relatively easy fix compared to replacing the whole unit at mega cost. The manufacturer needs to save face and accept that the issue falls well below their usual standards of engineering. Thanks Dan for highlighting the issue
But its only a"fix" for another 60,000kms ??.... in my eyes thats not a fix and even a replacement Mechatronic unit is not solving what is in fact a design fault...🤔
@@peterfitzpatrick7032 Dan said that the replacement Mechatronic unit was an upgraded unit by the manufacturer. Presumably the manufacturer has “removed” the initial problem highlighted by Dan. With this in mind possibly the transmission should have a “long and healthy life?” Fingers crossed for the owners of the vehicles
it's always easier to replace. But I have a huge respect for those who can actually FIX something, rather than just replace. Cause, you know, I can replace it on my own, at the end of the day. But if you're a mechanic who understands how things work and why they don't work, and he also knows how to fix it....that's really rare. And deserves respect and appreciation.
A view from the UK. What i find fascinating about this channel is that it gives us an insight into todays cars. I gotta tell ya i've never seen such complicated mechanic/hydraulic mechanisms in all my life. The manufacturing process itself to make all those die cast manifolds. The precision grinding of solenoid plungers. The process to make multi functional gaskets etc. Not least of which is the design process to get all of this under the bonnet. All to do what? Get you from A to B., in a semi "environmental" way. I've told Dan before, the more you put in something, the more it can go wrong. BTW., a "screen" is really another word for filter and in the days when we had grown ups designing things, filters were ALWAYS easily accessible for replacement, not hidden away in the depths that cost £1000s' to replace AND if a pattern of failure was seen then the manufacturer went straight into re-design mode. I get the feeling Dan from your demeanour that these are just acceptable, everyday faults that are part of todays cars. So much so you and your mates even write fault bulletins. I wonder, do you send one back to Audi/VAG/VW perchance?
100,000 Kilometers or 62,500 Odometer Miles. Knowing this, like you I suggest making this part of Periodic Maintenance at every 50,000 Odomer Miles or 80,000 Kilometers. Plus with the fresh fluid change, your helping to extend the life of the unit. Your fluid change procedure is very similar to my 2020 Toyota RAV4 Non Hybrid with an 8 Speed automatic transmission. The Car Care Nut or TCCN has a procedure for changing the fluid in his You Tube Videos. Thank you for this video Dan!
Love how excited Dan gets when he figures out an issue (with some help in this case). It's clear he enjoys problem solving. This is exactly what you want from a technician. Keep the great videos coming Dan.
That should be a recall issue at manufacturer expense. One thing you did not mention is how much is saved by repairing the unit instead of replacing the unit.
So what is the cost differential in both financial and time, between replacing the whole unit as noted by Audi and going through the extra repair and parts steps to replace the solenoid?
I have an Injection Molding Machine that had servo valve filters which use to break apart and ruin the servo valve. The actual filter was updated to prevent this failure. Those servo valves are very expensive somewhere between $5000-8000 USD last time I had to replace one. Problem with debris in oil is dirt breads even more dirt. BYW: Heineken is always a good bet solution.
Dan, Brilliant Fix! So many times the Manufacturers want to change expensive Modules instead of fixing the individual components. That situation is very similar to VVTI Selinoids that get gummed up with neglected oil changes. Sometimes you can clean them an no parts required. Was the oil contaminated in the megatronic to cause extra pressure to make the screen fail? Could it been prevented by changing that oil more often?
That's an awesome diagnosis and a brilliant explanation of the issue. Only problem I see, is that VW should be paying for the repair, not the customer.
Superb bit of team work to resolve a common and very expensive problem. My question would be why did the little filter fail? were the DSG oil changes done at the correct intervals etc or is there a design flaw in that filter laminate in the gasket sheet. What's the betting VAG will stop supplying the parts needed - solenoid and gaskets etc as they lose the 2000 euro new control valve sales.. Greta job Dan.. love it. That crate of beer was worth it.
I had a few VWs back in the states with the DSG. Great transmission but it has the potential to be disastrous. And especially most people in the states don’t do the required transmission service since it’s expensive.
You just nailed it. The owner is the worst part of a DSG. So the maintenance and it will last the life of the car and be able to be transplanted into another car. Don't do the maintenance and it is an expensive out of warranty repair.
@@Birdman_in_CLE thanks! I just bought another VW back in Florida (video coming soon) and I avoided the DSG transmission for this very reason! Went with a 2.5L with the regular 6A
"And especially most people in the states don’t do the required transmission service since it’s expensive". This is like not eating because it is expensive.
Thank you so so so so so much for making this video. Even the dealer wouldn't make a video and tell people like that. They will lose a business now after watching this video anyone can repair this themselves. I really really appreciate your effort. Hats off to you sir.🙏🙏🙏🙏
I love the way you explain stuff properly and simply, I'm not a mechanic but have been fixing cars and bikes for my self since I was a kid and it's great to have guys like you online to help folk like me develop new skills. thanks
We learn, learn and learn again!!! But the most beautiful feeling that Dan conveys to us is joy!!! The joy, success, success of the repair. It's very easy to say "it doesn't work", sometimes it's quite difficult to fix it. But, in the end, the joy is worth it! Good luck Dan!!! We look forward to the next "joy" you share with us!
Thats an amazing job Dan, i wish main dealers would fix these components , rather than just firing the parts canon. It is better for your wallet, and the environment too.
I repair trucks all day ! Im 58 years old now, 30 years ago it easier, its all to complicated now, you need computers and loads more, im looking forward to 2025 when I retire and live full time in my new van build. I tell all my friends about your channel, you are a very clever man Respect ! I love your vids on here.
@@kain0m Those that I have come across have a fill/level plug in the side ie you fill it to the level of the hole in the side of the gearbox or diff. That is different from the overflow tube in the bottom of this DSG g/box
Hi, I just found this channel and i was pleasantly surprised that someone actually was looking into this issue! VW is a pain in the ass to deal with regarding these kind of faults. There's a very common one where the car just doesn't take fuel in. I've got a Golf Mk7 GTE and it's the same answer.. "TPI says we need to replace the fuel tank" and it costs over 1K € to repair! However, i know that there's most likely an issue with the fuel canister (the carbon stuff saturates), and that should be a much cheaper repair. If you ever come across one of these, i'd be really interested in having the basis to fight this with them. Thanks!
Good morning from the Jersey shore, USA 🇺🇸 our industry needs more of what you do Dan. Excellent presentation and diagnosis as always. Thank you for what you do but more importantly, thank you for what you share. Hope all is well
Good explanation of a problem with a recommendation by a car repair man. The best problem is no problem and since the problem is intrinsic in the design the alternate way to prevent the problem is to replace the Audi hybrid with any vehicle that doesn't have that issue- perhaps one without a transmission.😁
Dan you fixed the transmission for a fraction of the price of a new box of tricks ,after that great tutorial I think a competent DIYer could fix it with the right diagnostic tools to bleed the box ,I love DSG but never been brave enough to buy a car fitted with one Thanks Dan Fanbloodytastic 👍🇬🇧
Great results and a great repair. The response from the manufacturers of the vehicles in question seems a bit vague ,is it because they don't want to let people know what the problem is,or is it one of pure greed and would rather just sell you a new gearbox controller unit???? I understand that the later units are some sort of up grade. But it would appear very short on information!!!!
Very clear explanation of the root cause of the problem and how to fix it properly. I will admit my first thoughts were to clean and re-use the solenoid AND to drill out the screen on the new gasket. DD explains clearly why not! Obvious once explained but soooo easy to miss out that vital stuff. Nice job!
@DiagnoseDan I just watched this whole video, and I have to say, I absolutely loved it! Your explanation was phenomenal, and I've seen plenty of car-related clips, but yours really stands out. Keep up the amazing work!
Hi @DiagnoseDan fantastic content, keep up the great work! I had a quick question regarding the other common problem with the leak of pressure. Do you have a link to that video or few tips how to go about it please? As preventative measure I'd like to replace the teflon and 3-orings while doing the mechatronic solenoid job. I've obtained the proper kit for my ODD gen2 from ATR Remote but struggling to locate the right physical place to swap them out.
Hi Dan, As always your expertise and knowledge is shared to everyone to assist and help everyone. It's a shame that the major manufactory, insist your spend a vast amount of money for a part which really does not need replacing. So therefore, if the parts can be bought in single format, why don't the manufactories do the same as your friend and supply a kit? Always being a common problem, this must be a quality assurance problem and again you would have thought a recall SB would have been sent out. Anyway, thanks again for your in-depth research in to common problem.
Thats because of Waranty reasons, a lot can go wrong with this repair. Its saver for the Dealership to replace the entire unit. Less that can go wrong and less comebacks. Most techs dont have experience with taking transmissions apart, thats usually done by specialized transmission shops
Thank you for a great video explaining this very common issue. You mentioned you have only seen this at over 100.000km. FYI, we had this happen on a 2020 MY Golf GTE at 59.000km. On the previous 2017 GTE it happened around 80.000km. No more VAG hybrids of this generation in our house! 😀 Especially as VW's handling of this issue is really scandalous.
Well done Dan! Unfortunately almost nobody does component level repairs these days. In electronics it's just the same, especially with instruments worth in excess of 100k. What a shame....
Exactly! From what I hear, one LED for headlight can get in excess of 2k Euro in some models. Replace module! Yeah, thanks... Did you consider starting a repair class? We need more engineers like you@@Diagnosedan
Great repair video Dan, it is fantastic to see your input on an ongoing basis with DDTSB. A must for all garages 💪💪💪 All the best for 2024 from Kennedys garage TH-cam channel 🎉🎉
Fantastic Video and outstanding presentation thank you Dan . I’m excited to face this problem when I get it in the shop next ! This proves that the dealer sometimes doesn’t always fix it .
Excellent diagnosis, Dan! I can’t believe the complexity designed into this car, specifically checking the oil level. What are those German engineers thinking? Probably how to drain the car buyers wallet.
I love how almost all the cars you get are years old hybrids that sold well in the Netherlands back then but need special attention now. More sytems, more complicated, more diagnostic videos for us :) As a german I can say that paying a dutch crate of beer in exchange for that info/ repair isnt that bad of a deal :) Hopefully these replacement gaskets where better than OEM and dont rip again...
What I find rather interesting is that the mesh is single piece sandwiched between the gasget. I wonder what kind of black magic is going on in the oil passages that "cuts the screen" out - judging from the video quite cleanly... Ordered new gadgets to my -17 GTE and planning to change them next time I change the DSG oils. When purchasing the gadgets I noticed that there are 4 different revisions from those gadgets: A,B,C and D. New ones I got are revision C would be nice to know what revision were the ones that have failed. EDIT: It was visible on the video that the failed gassed were revision B
@@Kauko88 I guess that Clutch 0 takes much more pressure and is used more often than all the other clutches in the DQ400. The enormous pressure just rips out the mesh over time. If these where my cars I would choose the gasket with the newest revision date which probably have larger meshes. Or I would remove the meshes all together, that DSG transmission has seperate oil filter that should keep the big chunks out of the mechatronik anyway...
@@Rockport1911 If I recall correctly: The preasure is unified along the valve bodies so no clutch receives higher preasure then another. Also, K0 is operated only when you're driving with the internal combustion engine - it connects the ICE to the Hybrid unit / gearbox - K1 and K2 are the "normal" clutches used for R-1-3-5 and 2-4-6 which get much more use compared to K0. If you drive mainly electric it might be that the ICE won't fire up for weeks and the K0 is not operated. Dan mentioned that removing the screen is not recommended - it could cause that debris that would otherwise be picked up by the screen and dropped back to pan when operation is terminated - will end up in the solenoid causing the same end result as the mesh ending there. My initial "hunch" were that it might be a problem with the original part and once again VW is making their customer to foot the bill :/
I certainly hope so but VAG doesn't share this info with us. I guess them telling us they improved the gasket is the same as telling us the old gasket is rubbish and they are reliable for the damage done😂 Vielen Dank!
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Why you are smelling like transmissions fluid havent you bathed🤣🤫
German engineering has become ridiculous.Only Rube Goldberg would be impressed.
What was the price difference from replacing the whole unit vs just replacing the valve?
Thank you Dan. Was very helpful
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Thanks, Dan. This is really a scandal. The gasket is defective, the screen falls out, the solenoid becomes plugged and the manufacturer sells a part for €2k to correct the problem. Sounds like a solid basis for a date in court. Thanks for this very understandable and clear explanation of what happens. As always a win.
Also a pretty NL problem, the importer here PON takes over the warranty from VW to get a higher margin (they also swap the conti tires with other brands like nexen). So some defects that are covered by VW Germany outside warranty won't be covered in NL, saw this with EGR and chain issues.The classic PON thing is also you are the "first" with this issue while half the lot is full of cars with the same issue.
Agreed. This needs to be a recall, frankly.
This might be the reason that VW and Audi are telling you to change the mechatronic and dont explain what goes wrong.
@@f0x4nn3we've never seen this before 🤣 sounds familiar
@@jimtaylor431agreed
We are happy to support you in this diagnose Dan!
Nice work ATR 👏👏 A fantastic article that was shared
Thanks Sam👍👍
Great work
Typical dealer replace not repair great to see people like you that give us hope of repairing our own vehicles at a fraction of the cost, great video once again Dan looking forward to the next one.
its a lability for a dealership to repair anything except under warranty and is recommend by the manufacturer
@@mrjamrocker7813 And the poor customer gets screwed big time.
Thank you
Unbelievable... the shitty build quality VAG keeps delivering.. You are the man Dan! Love how you fix it without throwing away half the engine.
Gasket part reads "China".... That surely has nothing to do with the problem.
TBH every modern car is pretty sensitive, issue i run in with VW is they actually not take care of their customers when shit happens. Timing chain has worn out at 50.000km and 3 year... sucks to be you here is the bill.
Thanks!!!
@@SerbanCMusca-ut8nyindeed it has nothing to do with China, its up to VAG to do its quality control and no one else.
@@f0x4nn3interval for changing timing chains or belts, doesn't matter, it's relative to the type of driving that you do. So if you mostly drive in cities, with congested traffic, short trips, sporty style of driving, that interval drops. Many problems can be avoided by regular maintenance.
Dan. You have managed to yet again demistify a very complex set of vehicle systems and break it down into very understandable sections, with solid repair options that can save the customer a lot of money. I love the recap and then the suggestion of the much cheaper preventative gasket change to stop this problem before it starts.
Preventing is better than repairing😉
Fantastic once again Dan.
I audit VWG dealerships in Scotland and have referred technicians to your website many times.
I hope you got a beer. Cheers
Thank you! Its appriciated
This attitude from manufacturers is completely nuts. Cudos Dan for showing how to troubleshoot and how actual mechanics actually CAN repair things - not just swap out parts!
It's how manufacturers make huge amounts of money on spare parts. Anything that goes wrong on a car these days is going to cost a fortune.
Looking at the quality of work of most workshops I have seen, VAG might be correct to suggest to swap the part. There are are probably quite a few things you can do wrong repairing it yourself. Also who knows if the upgraded unit also solves other design flaws…
Thanks for the great comment
@@felixalbionthey make a lot more money on parts than on selling new cars
@@random123name1less that can go wrong indeed.
Outstanding. You explained what goes wrong, why, what to do to repair it and what NOT to do and why. That's the way to teach. Not many people do that. I am learning heaps about electronics also mechatronics, stuff that I shied away from. Well done. Supposedly retired 72 yr old mechanic/machinist in Land Down Under.
Gidday mate! Shoutout from Germany. I love your country. Hope I will be back there some day.
Thanks for your great comment, i'm coming down under 🇳🇿 in April at the AAAA in Melbourne
Great video and fix.I will make an effort to come and say hello at the AAA show.Now retired after 40 years as a transmission shop owner in Melbourne.@@Diagnosedan
Fantastic ! What a waste to throw away such a complicatedly made piece of engineered metal when it could be repaired and reused. Enjoy the beers Sam and Dan !
DSG has such a stellar reputation for reliability.
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this has to rank amongst the best of your 'super-fixes' .. great job Dan
Thanks!!!👍👍
You’re one of the best technicians in the world, you should be very proud of what you do.
Thank you!
I enjoyed your troubleshooting as usual. It is a lot cheaper to repair than to replace the whole thing. I call that a mechanic and not just a part replacement, a mechanic like in the old days. 💪
Not sure how cheap it would be if you pay a garage to do it. The labour charges will still cost a fortune.
In this case it certainly is
@@felixalbionnot cheap but alot less expensive.
Second video I've watched this week where an oil screen had disintegrated and jammed a solenoid. Ivan from Pine hollow Auto Diagnostics had one on a VVT phaser. Great content as always Dan.
Was that also a Vw/Audi?
My goodness. What a great team effort. Outstanding presentation Dan !
Thanks as always!!!!
One if the best diagnosticians out there. Truly the G.O.A.T. I absolutely love the bloopers at the end too. 😅
Thank you!!!!
Your video just proves that just replacing major parts is not the answer to so many problems. This was so educational and Dealerships need to learn these 'facts'. Thanks for your skills.
Thanks for the great comment!!!
Dan, thank you for your time and interest. You are as good to us here on TH-cam as you are to the customers whose cars you repair. Even if we are not active in the automotive field, it is nice to see how certain technology works and how defects can be eliminated. Success 🇷🇴
Thanks for the great comment!!!
Dan. You have yet again managed to diagnose and repair a very complex system in a step by step guide, with a recap as well. Such outstanding work as always, explained in such a way that makes it easy to both understand and follow. I love the tip of how to prevent this occurring in the first place. Dan definitely "does it again" Well done sir! 👌🏼
Thanks!!!
Dan thats great information and a brilliant find 👍
You're more likely to run into Bigfoot than a hybrid owner that actually saved money over the long haul vs a standard ICE car. Nice work Dan!
There are many hybrid owners that save money over the long haul. They drive Toyotas. 😉
@@JeroenvanMontfortI know a few Camry Hybrid owners which learned the hard way how expensive Hybrids become once the warranty runs out. Some now drive Teslas.
@@moestrei lol really? I drive a Tesla myself and it has made me question my life's choices more than once. Especially now it's out of warranty...
ATSG - transmission service provider needs this bulletin. ATSG also offers vacuum test plate testing with passs fail readings to further diagnose amount of wear.
What a great fix, but I doubt whether even an authorised VAG dealer would bother to go as far, but just replace the mechatronics unit as a whole. Shame, really… Good to see you providing the fix details, Dan and great to see the old fashioned method of pals payments is still going strong! Nice one, Dan! 👏👏👏
I guess its to "risky" and alot can go wrong😊
Dan, I don't think the customer would mind paying for that case of beer since this fix saved them a lot of money. 😉
Once Dan came out with a new video, I stopped what I was doing and watched it. Best technical channel on the internet
@Diagnosedan it's hilarious that the filter screen designed to stop debris entering the solenoid is actually the culprit. I think Audi should be fixing this with a recall, clearly there is a manufacturing defect with that gasket from new, great work as always Dan 😊
Agreed!
Not a manufacturing defect but a design defect. K0 needs a bigger supply of oil, the extra force on the mesh flexes it to the point of fatigue failure. A larger orifice might be the answer.
this is a "problem" for the past 25 years. Passat W8 had this problem at the cam adjusters, S6 V10 had it also at the cam adjusters(just not that often). those sieve´s are there to catch chips left from production after a few miles they are not necessary anymore. so it protects the manufacturer against DOA products and gives the customer the problem at high mileages(hopefully after warranty🙄). the new gasket could´ve been installed without the sieves and it would work just fine. at the Passat W8 you get a new cam adjuster valve and put out the sieves so they dont damage anything. possible chips from production cant be there anymore. oil filter will do the trick now.
This was a great vid as usual. For twenty years of my automotive career, I was Automatic transmissions only. That was 23 years ago. A lot has changed since then.
Hi Bill great to see you here in the comments again! Its appriciated 👍
Amazing diagnosis and tear down. In addition it shows the compounding effect of community knowledge and experience. Dan you are certainly a leader and influencer in your field of work. As usual….DIAGNOSE DAN FIX IT AGAIN!!! And man Audi loves cheap oil screens that break. Geez.
Thank you very much!!!
Thanks, Dan, now it just needs someone to remanufacture that screen in a more robust way and you won't have to keep replacing it. I enjoy your videos and the fact that you provide an independent solution to manufacturers faults.
way to go the extra kilometer to get to the bottom of this problem. great diag as always Dan!! love the videos that do deep dives into repairs that can also save $$$. hopefully some day we can do a diagnostic and share a beer TOGETHER!
Thank you very much Mike, i really hope we can do that one day!
Rich irony when a part designed to protect other parts fails and destroys the part it is supposed to protect. Thank you for educating us and not accepting unit replacements as a solution when a smaller component will fix it.
Thanks Dan. Great job again. Just tells me to never ever buy a hybrid. The extra mileage is not worth the hassle.
In some countries the reason for buying Hybrid or electric is because there are huge tax benefits!!
Not all hybrids are born equal. Think Toyota hybrid system. No gearbox, no turbo, no problem.
Somebody GET this man more SUBSCRIBERS...Spread the word make him a household name...😅 He has earned it...and then some!
As for manufacturers who KNOW about issues like this and still don't do what is right...they should be prosecuted. But the law-makers are asleep at the wheel as always. Imagine if they passed a law that forces any manufacturer to provide a MINIMUM 10 YEAR WARANTY on their vehicles... how they would start making cars as good as they used to...or better...oh well, one can dream at least!
Thank you Dan... yet again!
Thanks for your comment!
The problem you have highlighted Dan should be accepted by the manufacturer as a recall. A relatively easy fix compared to replacing the whole unit at mega cost. The manufacturer needs to save face and accept that the issue falls well below their usual standards of engineering. Thanks Dan for highlighting the issue
In none of their documentation they say anything about the screen failing. Although they certainly know about this. I dont think this is a coincidence
@@Diagnosedan Unfortunately they always choose to save money , they know this issue would be investigated if they mention what fails
But its only a"fix" for another 60,000kms ??.... in my eyes thats not a fix and even a replacement Mechatronic unit is not solving what is in fact a design fault...🤔
@@peterfitzpatrick7032 Dan said that the replacement Mechatronic unit was an upgraded unit by the manufacturer. Presumably the manufacturer has “removed” the initial problem highlighted by Dan. With this in mind possibly the transmission should have a “long and healthy life?” Fingers crossed for the owners of the vehicles
@@ianbates1312 if they "removed" the problem, you would assume the new gasket would not have the screen at that location. But this new gasket did.
it's always easier to replace. But I have a huge respect for those who can actually FIX something, rather than just replace. Cause, you know, I can replace it on my own, at the end of the day. But if you're a mechanic who understands how things work and why they don't work, and he also knows how to fix it....that's really rare. And deserves respect and appreciation.
Thanks for leaving this great comment!
FANTASTIC! Super diagnostics. Always fantastic to watch Dan.
Thank you very much
A view from the UK. What i find fascinating about this channel is that it gives us an insight into todays cars. I gotta tell ya i've never seen such complicated mechanic/hydraulic mechanisms in all my life. The manufacturing process itself to make all those die cast manifolds. The precision grinding of solenoid plungers. The process to make multi functional gaskets etc. Not least of which is the design process to get all of this under the bonnet. All to do what? Get you from A to B., in a semi "environmental" way. I've told Dan before, the more you put in something, the more it can go wrong.
BTW., a "screen" is really another word for filter and in the days when we had grown ups designing things, filters were ALWAYS easily accessible for replacement, not hidden away in the depths that cost £1000s' to replace AND if a pattern of failure was seen then the manufacturer went straight into re-design mode. I get the feeling Dan from your demeanour that these are just acceptable, everyday faults that are part of todays cars. So much so you and your mates even write fault bulletins. I wonder, do you send one back to Audi/VAG/VW perchance?
It all looks easy accessible when the engineer designed it on his laptop😂
Awesome video. This will save a lot of time and money to many technicians.
100,000 Kilometers or 62,500 Odometer Miles. Knowing this, like you I suggest making this part of Periodic Maintenance at every 50,000 Odomer Miles or 80,000 Kilometers.
Plus with the fresh fluid change, your helping to extend the life of the unit.
Your fluid change procedure is very similar to my 2020 Toyota RAV4 Non Hybrid with an 8 Speed automatic transmission. The Car Care Nut or TCCN has a procedure for changing the fluid in his You Tube Videos.
Thank you for this video Dan!
Thanks for leaving a comment its really appreciated
Dan, what will the rest of us do without guys like you and others that share their hours of sweet and labour with us?
You'll figure it out yourself eventually it just takes more time😂
Love how excited Dan gets when he figures out an issue (with some help in this case). It's clear he enjoys problem solving. This is exactly what you want from a technician. Keep the great videos coming Dan.
I can't stand "not knowing" 😂
That should be a recall issue at manufacturer expense. One thing you did not mention is how much is saved by repairing the unit instead of replacing the unit.
On parts, $30 euros vs. $3,000
@@Garth2011The working hours are the same in both cases, aren't they?
@@leiflillandt1488I'd say the repair had more time.
@@leiflillandt1488 You would think a couple of extra hours on the repair would do it.
@@Garth2011 more time and a bit more risk too. If a bit of the failed screen doesn't get cleaned out properly, it could scratch the new solenoid, etc.
I own one of these cars, at around 100000km now. Looks like I'll be smelling trans fluid one weekend soon.
Thanks for the detailed video!
Smart choice! 👍👍👍
So what is the cost differential in both financial and time, between replacing the whole unit as noted by Audi and going through the extra repair and parts steps to replace the solenoid?
I have an Injection Molding Machine that had servo valve filters which use to break apart and ruin the servo valve. The actual filter was updated to prevent this failure. Those servo valves are very expensive somewhere between $5000-8000 USD last time I had to replace one. Problem with debris in oil is dirt breads even more dirt. BYW: Heineken is always a good bet solution.
Dan, Brilliant Fix! So many times the Manufacturers want to change expensive Modules instead of fixing the individual components. That situation is very similar to VVTI Selinoids that get gummed up with neglected oil changes. Sometimes you can clean them an no parts required. Was the oil contaminated in the megatronic to cause extra pressure to make the screen fail? Could it been prevented by changing that oil more often?
There is no contamination on the other screens. I suspect the screen fails because of pulsations in the oil when the solenoid is doing its thing
That's an awesome diagnosis and a brilliant explanation of the issue. Only problem I see, is that VW should be paying for the repair, not the customer.
I guess you are right
Where do i get The solenoid. The vw dont sell it?
Superb bit of team work to resolve a common and very expensive problem. My question would be why did the little filter fail? were the DSG oil changes done at the correct intervals etc or is there a design flaw in that filter laminate in the gasket sheet. What's the betting VAG will stop supplying the parts needed - solenoid and gaskets etc as they lose the 2000 euro new control valve sales.. Greta job Dan.. love it. That crate of beer was worth it.
I had a few VWs back in the states with the DSG. Great transmission but it has the potential to be disastrous. And especially most people in the states don’t do the required transmission service since it’s expensive.
You just nailed it. The owner is the worst part of a DSG. So the maintenance and it will last the life of the car and be able to be transplanted into another car. Don't do the maintenance and it is an expensive out of warranty repair.
@@Birdman_in_CLE thanks! I just bought another VW back in Florida (video coming soon) and I avoided the DSG transmission for this very reason! Went with a 2.5L with the regular 6A
"And especially most people in the states don’t do the required transmission service since it’s expensive". This is like not eating because it is expensive.
@@guzziwheeler cars are appliances there. People generally don’t take great care of them. Especially when maintenance is expensive
Thank you so so so so so much for making this video. Even the dealer wouldn't make a video and tell people like that. They will lose a business now after watching this video anyone can repair this themselves. I really really appreciate your effort. Hats off to you sir.🙏🙏🙏🙏
Audi ought to be paying for this .
They usually fail just outside the waranty period 😬
You're the man Dan. Wish we had more top notch techs like you join our trade; not just parts changers.
Thanks!
Amazing diagnostic,Sir you are an excellent teacher
Thank you
Dan is one hell of a great guy and mechanic! I would still be driving my S3 if I had Sam as my mechanic, but mechanics like this are a very rare find.
Great work Dan. A top class instructional video as usual. Thank you
Thanks!
I love the way you explain stuff properly and simply, I'm not a mechanic but have been fixing cars and bikes for my self since I was a kid and it's great to have guys like you online to help folk like me develop new skills. thanks
Thats great to hear!
Outstanding once again Dan, always explained perfectly 👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you very much
Absolutely brilliant ,i get more enjoyment from finding what things failed rather than replace and move on,thanks
is there a bulletin for owner to clean the garbage under the windscreen ?
We learn, learn and learn again!!! But the most beautiful feeling that Dan conveys to us is joy!!! The joy, success, success of the repair. It's very easy to say "it doesn't work", sometimes it's quite difficult to fix it. But, in the end, the joy is worth it! Good luck Dan!!! We look forward to the next "joy" you share with us!
Thank you for your great and positive comment its really appreciated
Thats an amazing job Dan, i wish main dealers would fix these components , rather than just firing the parts canon. It is better for your wallet, and the environment too.
Good job. I wish all repair shops had your ability and honesty.
I repair trucks all day ! Im 58 years old now, 30 years ago it easier, its all to complicated now, you need computers and loads more, im looking forward to 2025 when I retire and live full time in my new van build. I tell all my friends about your channel, you are a very clever man Respect ! I love your vids on here.
Two more years! 😁💪
On what way did an engineer feel it's ok to fill through the drain.
my wife's Citroen is the same 🙄
That is quite normal. An overflow tube is an easy way ensure correct oil level. Same on my Mercedes.
Most manual transmissions and rear diffs are filled the same way. Fill until the oil overflows.
@@kain0m Those that I have come across have a fill/level plug in the side ie you fill it to the level of the hole in the side of the gearbox or diff. That is different from the overflow tube in the bottom of this DSG g/box
Hi,
I just found this channel and i was pleasantly surprised that someone actually was looking into this issue!
VW is a pain in the ass to deal with regarding these kind of faults.
There's a very common one where the car just doesn't take fuel in. I've got a Golf Mk7 GTE and it's the same answer.. "TPI says we need to replace the fuel tank" and it costs over 1K € to repair!
However, i know that there's most likely an issue with the fuel canister (the carbon stuff saturates), and that should be a much cheaper repair.
If you ever come across one of these, i'd be really interested in having the basis to fight this with them.
Thanks!
Now Audi is going to make it so you can't buy just the solenoid.
Good morning from the Jersey shore, USA 🇺🇸 our industry needs more of what you do Dan. Excellent presentation and diagnosis as always. Thank you for what you do but more importantly, thank you for what you share. Hope all is well
Thanks for your great comment!!! Its really appreciated
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@@HughShower You are good 👍 And I really appreciate your hard work.
Good explanation of a problem with a recommendation by a car repair man. The best problem is no problem and since the problem is intrinsic in the design the alternate way to prevent the problem is to replace the Audi hybrid with any vehicle that doesn't have that issue- perhaps one without a transmission.😁
Morale of the story: stay away from Audi. 😐
Dan you fixed the transmission for a fraction of the price of a new box of tricks ,after that great tutorial I think a competent DIYer could fix it with the right diagnostic tools to bleed the box ,I love DSG but never been brave enough to buy a car fitted with one
Thanks Dan Fanbloodytastic 👍🇬🇧
I wouldn't but one either😂
Great results and a great repair.
The response from the manufacturers of the vehicles in question seems a bit vague ,is it because they don't want to let people know what the problem is,or is it one of pure
greed and would rather just sell you a new gearbox controller unit????
I understand that the later units are some sort of up grade. But it would appear very short on information!!!!
Very clear explanation of the root cause of the problem and how to fix it properly.
I will admit my first thoughts were to clean and re-use the solenoid AND to drill out the screen on the new gasket. DD explains clearly why not! Obvious once explained but soooo easy to miss out that vital stuff.
Nice job!
We learned the hard way😂
@DiagnoseDan I just watched this whole video, and I have to say, I absolutely loved it! Your explanation was phenomenal, and I've seen plenty of car-related clips, but yours really stands out. Keep up the amazing work!
glad to hear that there are people out there as 3rd party investigators of common mfg'r defects, and saving the consumer big bucks
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment its really appreciated 👍👍
I'm glad that there are technicians like you and sam thank you again for a great vlog from a old tech 👍🦘🇦🇺
Thank you!!
Hi @DiagnoseDan fantastic content, keep up the great work! I had a quick question regarding the other common problem with the leak of pressure. Do you have a link to that video or few tips how to go about it please? As preventative measure I'd like to replace the teflon and 3-orings while doing the mechatronic solenoid job. I've obtained the proper kit for my ODD gen2 from ATR Remote but struggling to locate the right physical place to swap them out.
SOLVED, it is located at the side of the gearbox and 3 torx screws need to be removed to reveal the seals.
I will never attempt this repair, but this was a very interesting and informative video from the master. The bloopers are an added bonus! 😂
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Amazing when reasoning men spend a little time and attention on a problem. Thank you Dan and friends.
Thanks for the great comment it's really appreciated
Hi Dan, As always your expertise and knowledge is shared to everyone to assist and help everyone. It's a shame that the major manufactory, insist your spend a vast amount of money for a part which really does not need replacing. So therefore, if the parts can be bought in single format, why don't the manufactories do the same as your friend and supply a kit? Always being a common problem, this must be a quality assurance problem and again you would have thought a recall SB would have been sent out. Anyway, thanks again for your in-depth research in to common problem.
Thats because of Waranty reasons, a lot can go wrong with this repair. Its saver for the Dealership to replace the entire unit. Less that can go wrong and less comebacks. Most techs dont have experience with taking transmissions apart, thats usually done by specialized transmission shops
What have we learned? Audi wants you to spend €3k instead of fixing it like a pro , like you Dan! Another outstanding job!
Thank you
En riktig reparatör. Tack för allas ni som finns kvar. Delbytare, byt jobb eller lär er att felsöka. Bil el och mekaniker i 40 år.
Thank you for a great video explaining this very common issue. You mentioned you have only seen this at over 100.000km. FYI, we had this happen on a 2020 MY Golf GTE at 59.000km. On the previous 2017 GTE it happened around 80.000km. No more VAG hybrids of this generation in our house! 😀 Especially as VW's handling of this issue is really scandalous.
Wow really? We have documented hundreds of cases but haven't seen this exact same problem under 100K Your very unlucky😂😂
Fantastic work again! I would put a Q/C on the fill line so I don't have to fight the hose to remove the adaptor.
Well done Dan! Unfortunately almost nobody does component level repairs these days. In electronics it's just the same, especially with instruments worth in excess of 100k. What a shame....
As components get more expensive, especially on hybrid and electric cars it makes more sense to try and repair these components
Exactly! From what I hear, one LED for headlight can get in excess of 2k Euro in some models.
Replace module! Yeah, thanks...
Did you consider starting a repair class? We need more engineers like you@@Diagnosedan
This is how a workshop should be...informative and providing solutions
Great repair video Dan, it is fantastic to see your input on an ongoing basis with DDTSB. A must for all garages 💪💪💪
All the best for 2024 from Kennedys garage TH-cam channel 🎉🎉
Fantastic Video and outstanding presentation thank you Dan . I’m excited to face this problem when I get it in the shop next ! This proves that the dealer sometimes doesn’t always fix it .
This is a mechanic I would trust to fix my car, and whatever the problem may be… Thanks Dan. Blessings. :)
Thank you
Again, you are the master of the "rings" of diagnose. Much respect!
🤣🤣Thanks!
Dan, your approach, knowledge and enthusiasm are humbling. Thank you.
Thanks!
Love how you can always make super complicated topics easy to understand. Top quality work
I'm always trying to keep it simple!! No need to complicate things😊
Dan you are a maestro, super diagnosis and so easy to follow you talking us through the fault
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Great video. If it was my own car, I'd be picking that wee bit out of the solenoid and chucking it back together.
The force required to cut that screen out and force it into that hole is amazing.
It develops over many years of bending the screen back and forward. Metal fetigue eventually causes the screen to fail.
Dan's grandson in 50 years. I wish it was simple like the old days when we only needed a scan tool to check the oil level.
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Excellent job and your group of electronic genius's should be very proud at what they do. Thank you again
Thank you Richard!!!
Excellent diagnosis, Dan! I can’t believe the complexity designed into this car, specifically checking the oil level. What are those German engineers thinking? Probably how to drain the car buyers wallet.
I love how almost all the cars you get are years old hybrids that sold well in the Netherlands back then but need special attention now. More sytems, more complicated, more diagnostic videos for us :) As a german I can say that paying a dutch crate of beer in exchange for that info/ repair isnt that bad of a deal :)
Hopefully these replacement gaskets where better than OEM and dont rip again...
What I find rather interesting is that the mesh is single piece sandwiched between the gasget. I wonder what kind of black magic is going on in the oil passages that "cuts the screen" out - judging from the video quite cleanly...
Ordered new gadgets to my -17 GTE and planning to change them next time I change the DSG oils. When purchasing the gadgets I noticed that there are 4 different revisions from those gadgets: A,B,C and D. New ones I got are revision C would be nice to know what revision were the ones that have failed.
EDIT: It was visible on the video that the failed gassed were revision B
@@Kauko88 I guess that Clutch 0 takes much more pressure and is used more often than all the other clutches in the DQ400. The enormous pressure just rips out the mesh over time. If these where my cars I would choose the gasket with the newest revision date which probably have larger meshes. Or I would remove the meshes all together, that DSG transmission has seperate oil filter that should keep the big chunks out of the mechatronik anyway...
@@Rockport1911 If I recall correctly: The preasure is unified along the valve bodies so no clutch receives higher preasure then another. Also, K0 is operated only when you're driving with the internal combustion engine - it connects the ICE to the Hybrid unit / gearbox - K1 and K2 are the "normal" clutches used for R-1-3-5 and 2-4-6 which get much more use compared to K0. If you drive mainly electric it might be that the ICE won't fire up for weeks and the K0 is not operated.
Dan mentioned that removing the screen is not recommended - it could cause that debris that would otherwise be picked up by the screen and dropped back to pan when operation is terminated - will end up in the solenoid causing the same end result as the mesh ending there.
My initial "hunch" were that it might be a problem with the original part and once again VW is making their customer to foot the bill :/
I certainly hope so but VAG doesn't share this info with us. I guess them telling us they improved the gasket is the same as telling us the old gasket is rubbish and they are reliable for the damage done😂
Vielen Dank!