How Ignoring All Warnings Killed 99 People | Pakistan International Airlines 8303
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- This is the story of Piakistan international airlines flight 8303. On the 22nd of may 2020 almost 4 years ago at the time of recording this video, Pakistan and the world at large was emerging from the first wave of the Covid 19 pandemic. Due to the pandemic, travel and movement had been restricted on a global scale not seen in decades. But on the 22nd the worst seemed to be behind us some countries had started to open up, pakistan was one of them. Hence the flight from lahore to karachi. The A320 took off with no issues and within no time it was closing in on karachi, the pilots were in touch with karachi control and they assigned the Nawabshah 2A STAR or standard terminal arrival or star to runway 25L. Think of a STAR as an airway to get near an airport. The first officer who was flying decided to take the plane down. At 9:15 am local time the pilots wanted to get down to 10,000 feet, the controllers cleared them in and asked them to fly directly to the waypoint makli. This meant that they wouldn't have to fly the nawab shah STAR and this was shorter, heres the MAKLI and nawabshah approaches compared.
In the cockpit the pilots programmed the FMS or the flight management system for the ILS-Z approach to runway 25L. At 9:23 am the controllers came on and said “Pakistan 8303 contact Approach 125.5” but there was no reply. Target tried again no reply they tried again no reply. After three attempts the controllers tried to get a plane nearby to relay a message to the A320 but still nothing. Then out of options the controllers called flight 8303 on the guard frequency. The guard frequency for those of you that dont know is a frequency that is monitored by all pilots and controllers its there for emergencies, but 8303 still hadnt repoded after 2 calls then after the third call they came on and said ““Strength 2 sir confirm changeover to 126.5” contact was reestablished with flight 8303. Once the jet had been handed over to Karachi approach, karachi approach cleared themm all the way down to 3000 feet. By this point the jet was at MAKLI, the way point that we were talking about but there was just one small problem, they were way higher than they needed to be. You see by the time they hit makli the jet needed to be stabliszed at 3000 feet. Flight 8303 was all the way up at 9000 feet. The controllers chimed in and asked ““Pakistan 8303 confirm track mile comfortable for descent?” which basically translates to “you sure you guys can make this” the pilots just reply with affir. In the cockpit theres confusion the captain said “what has happened” take out the hold”, referring to the holding pattern on that they should have done to lose altitude. The first officer just replies with ““Hold taken out, should we report this happening?” and the captain just says “No, this could be due to Hold tell Karachi Approach that established on localizer”. The captain wanted to go ahead with the landing. In a normal landing youre supposed to come in towards the runway at a shallow 3 degree angle. Flight 8303 was no where near that they were almost at 6 degrees. Now this meant that theyd have to intercept the glideslope from above. While this isnt uncommon its much harder than intercepting it from below. To get down fast the pilots extended the speed brakes, increasing drag on the plane. Karachi tower was watching all of this unfold and called up karachi approach on the hotline to let them know that 8303 was way too high. The approach controller just said that hed let them orbit for a bit to lose altitude. But despite the speed brakes being out, the plane was still too high when they were 10nm from the runway. They were supposed to be at 3000 feet but instead they were at 7239 feet. But the pilots were committed to this landing as they dropped the gear at this point and dropped the nose in an attempt to get down in time. The plane was now 7.4 degrees nose down. Karachi approach at this point out of concern said ““Sir, orbit is available if you want”, the response was ““Negative sir, we are comfortable we can make it Insha-Allah” - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
This was not pilot error, this was pilot stupidity. The only thing missing in this case is the pilot saying “ hey y’all, watch this “.
Hold my beer
Alcohol is forbidden in Islam...
He _did_ say "Inshallah."
Not usually a good sign.😳
True !😢
@@grmpEqweer That's a good reason to have someone else hold your beer then
And pulling on the air horn yeeeehaaaa
Borderline reckless? I would say 100% reckless.
The dictionary definition of reckless should point to this video.
It's borderline reckless because it's on the border of homicidal, not accidental.
This is the story on ground in Pakistan, sheer incompetence, arrogance and nepotism has sunk the country not just the aviation sector there....
they take keeping it in the family to a whole new level.
Coming to the U.S. soon, unless 74 million people wake up from their stupor.
Well, it seems the Western countries are following suit w/an astonishing huge dose of DEI infusion of incompetence, arrogance and wokism.
@@northernbohemianrealist1412funny, i was going to write the same sentence.
@@northernbohemianrealist1412 Biden's idiotic DEI policies for the airline industry are the ones that will cause crashes. Hiring minorities and women for only those reasons rather than hiring on merit (the best pilots) is stupid. It's more like DIE policies.
How many gear warnings do you need before you think the gear may have went back up?
These pilots: yes.
it's not possible. something wrong with PIA report.
they need to release complete CVR
*these pilots: Inshallah.
7:23 "The pilots tried braking, but it had no effect."
The most embarrassing part of the whole thing, I think.
This is very telling... People who go through motions they were taught without understanding how things work or the reasons. Just rote procedures. Planes on the ground, press the things near my feet to stop. Hilarious and sad at the same time.
No doubt! Kinda hard to break when the landing gear is still up.
Not to mention the co-pilot telling the Captain they needed more speed when they had no engines.
These guys had lost all situational awareness.
@@beer1for2break3fast4they could’ve gotten more speed if they pitched the aircraft down
"We can make it, if god wills it" is certainly not the attitude an airline pilot should have while in control of an aircraft. Like, no... YOU have free will and should use it to fly the aircraft like a professional, not take massive risks using a copout suggesting that you can't control fate.
Flying that plane like a madman like on MSFS didn't help either
Turns out, God willed them to take orbit but they didn't so.
God maybe was fed up with these two, like fine you wanna go out this way? Fine.
@@mrandersson1082 Don't worry, the passengers will understand
How dare you offend mooslyms?
I always perform a go-around after using the engines as landing gear. That's standard procedure.
😂😂
In order to ignore all the warnings, first you must trigger all the warnings.
He got his pilot license in a box of cracker jacks
I'm thinking more like while he was jacked on crack.
Avg pakistani pilot licence holder
You might think you're joking but you are not.
_"More than 30% of civilian pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses and are not qualified to fly, the country’s aviation minister revealed Wednesday."_
*-- CNN, June 25, 2020*
@@SuperSatandevil666 Nah, if he got his license there he would've brought a 💣💥 on board
@@hiteshadhikariyou must be Hindu 😂
Those are not pilots. They are murderers.
@@Thephrogdoobinvoluntary manslaughter is a thing
@@Thephrogdoobmanslaughter = murder
This has to be one of the worst examples of piloting I've seen alongside Saudia 163, Aeroflot 6502(the bet one), Kenya 507, Air France 447 alongside many others.
IIRC no blame was officially attached to the pilots of Air France 447 in the end. It was largely blamed on inadequate training, which was probably the right verdict.
@@philiphumphrey1548could be but these are the first things you learn becoming a pilot let alone a commercial jet pilot one of the most important skill how to prevent and recover a stall using all your instruments..
@@philiphumphrey1548 Yeah, because the investigations rarely if ever officially accuse the pilots of any wrong doing. Even when the pilots are doing something wildly inappropriate most reports end up reading that it wasn’t good behaviour but it still wasn’t *their* fault something happened!
But, surely, nobody could hold the pilot who held the stick back on a stalling aircraft until impact at fault for the crash of the plane, that wouldn’t be fair to the pilot who crashed the plane!
@@Kasirgduring the accident the pitots frozes without any ecam msg notifying them, thus making it really hard to understand something looking at their instruments, ad the fact that it was a nightflight and the 447 isn’t just a BaD UncOmPetEnt pilot error
@@emargu9344it’s not only because of the pilots, but it was largely because of the pilots. The right seat specifically, who was pulling up the whole way down, even when the captain correctly diagnosed a stall, emphasized the stall, and the right seat still did the polar opposite of a stall recovery maneuver.
I've only heard 4 minutes when I'm typing this. But what the hell. How overconfident and arrogant can you be to intercept a glide slope like that. You're an aircraft. Not an Intercontinental Ballistic missile for god sake.
More like a bomb, and I don't mean a smart bomb.
@@christosvoskresye I make paper planes smarter then these two idiots
@christosvoskresye Well, it is Pakistan after all
He said insh Allah..... So God was on his side :)
@@christosvoskresye I make paper planes that are smarter then these two dumb nuts
"On the 22nd of May, 2020, almost 4 years ago..."
I know this is correct but hearing it makes my brain go "what the hell, when did that happen"
Same here. It is crazy that 2020 was four years ago. Time flies man. 2012 is no longer four years ago, it is now 12 years ago. But yeah, I have never heard of this crash.
Same, never heard this crash on news until now.
That's how I feel when I hear people commenting on music from the 1990s calling it "classic" while I'm still thinking "this modern music is not as good as the stuff we had back in the 1960s."
Happened right in the middle of the lockdowns over COVID-19, while Boeing was still being blamed for causing the MAX crashes and I think there was yet another mass shooting somewhere. In light of the MAX fiasco there was significant brouhaha over some media outlets including TH-cam publishing premature and erroneous conclusions about the cause of the crash.
@hannahp1108, this report took too much time. From the beggining, everybody knew it was pilot fault.
No wonder Pakistani airlines can't fly in EU. When learning about this I hope it will never change.
Racist comment.
PIA are still banned from the EU and UK, because of the perceived terrorist threat due to abysmal security. It is not racist to state the truth
@@thetraveller334Don't be stupid. This is mot about race but about airline culture.
There is always one bright spark bigot to show his professionlism.
@thetraveller334 why racist? I also don't want that amateur airline in the eu.
Knowing the local culture, this is actually a broader problem with the work culture of Pakistan as a whole.
And safety and precautions are seen as something in the lines of following the west, and not having faith on god.
Nothing about relying on God here. They were just complacent. Most probably due to fasting. And yes, here the safety culture comes in. If somehow one of the cabin crew had reported the fasting by pilots, the cabin crew would be screwed.
@@Grumpy412 Fasting doesn't impact your abilities that much, especially in the first half of the day. We fast each year, it's an issue of a broader culture, if you see the report on this it also mentions that other Pakistani pilots have also been landing too fast over the past months.
you can see in this video here: th-cam.com/video/haBxjK70yt0/w-d-xo.html
Not just in pakistan unfortunately, it's a blight spread throughout the middle east too.
I knew a Muslim who reject any form of contraception, because in his view it intervene with god will, and not accepting what the god had planned or intended for you
He ended up having 7 kids most of them only 2 even 1 year apart
obviously, God does not want to do your job.
I am a moslem and I fully agree that fasting will effect our judgement, especially on critical moment. The dehydration will effect our performance. I believe pilots, sea captain, train machinist, bus drivers, surgeons, operators for nuclear reactor and petrochemical operators should abandon fasting and pay fidyah instead (pay the poor with the amount of money to feed them during the day). It is more responsible and avoid any unnecessary problem.
If somebody decide to do fasting, then it should be in his/her own time. Not during the1 duty that their 100% concentration is required.
Well said Mustafa!
strangely only pakistani's affecting here. something to think about. may be affect of fasting is getting them to get fake pilot license.
Not really, plus it was only 6hrs or so after fasting, not 3 days that it will affect your judgement to such extent.
@@prestallar4339 the problem with fasting are:
1. Lack of sleep in prine time.
2. Lack of water / dehidration
3. With two above combination you can fall a sleep without your control anywhere, especially when you are not moving (only sitting).
@@MustafaBaabad and the copious amounts of sugar eaten both at dawn and dusk instead of real food, inducing a rollercoaster effect on glucose levels throughout the day. at least from what i see in maghrebi and turkiks here. 😑
The pilots not only displayed adverse piloting, they violated the Islamic rule also because during travel you are not obliged to fast. However, putting religion aside, professionalism is nowhere to be seen in any Pakistani department and PIA is no exception. Elite capture has ruined every walk of life...... Sorry for the 99 lives that perished.
No offence but ur comment made me laugh. As an kenyan i understand the -ve effects of corruption but calling it 'elite capture' gives a heavy sense of exasperation its like u r almost despairing. I laughed bcoz i empathise with u.
I live in Texas. I understand "elite capture" in my state government very well.🤬
Even if they were fasting it does not explain that level of incompetence.
Religion ruins everything it touches. Worst thing man ever invented.
Pathetic beliefs.
“Borderline reckless”??? That’s a borderline understatement
I borderline agree
This is the worst case of pilot negligence I ever heard
Nope. 593 was the worst.
The worst is that one aeroflot pilot who decided to try and land with windscreen being covered so they couldn't see the runway.
"we can make it, inshallah"
Maybe if they wet better trained they wouldn't need to put their hopes in a made up god lol
i guess god did not will it
Allah : nah bro, I don't want any of this shite
I just get angry when they utter that on every sentence.
@@sachindeshpande1 me when je siri 8gb ram
Every last alarm and red light in the cockpit goes off plus multiple warnings from air traffic controllers...
Pilot: we can make it, inshallah.
I'm just in absolute shock at this, and then the aftermath of grounding a whole lot of pilots for what were turmed suspicious licenses is making me want to go check if this was an isolated issue or how widespread this sort of thing was/is in Pakistan. Hopefully it was a one time thing but I'm not sure
Blatant rampant nepotism kills.
Not a one time thing. You can buy your pilot 's license there.
It's not an isolated issue. Pakistani 'pilots' arrogance and unprofessionalism has caused so many crashes in the past.
I don't even fly Pakistani airlines when I am there just because of these stupid pilots. It has caused a lifelong Paranoia for me. Imagine taking a 18hr bus ride from Islamabad to Karachi on shitty roads with somewhat normal bus drivers just because in the back of your mind you know how corrupt and unqualified these 'pilots' are, and you don't know when their arrogance will crash another plane.
I was told by a very good friend of mine who moved there for work/religious/family reasons that the tightening up of the laws and security they did only means you pay a higher bribe and have to fill in two forms, instead of one, it was explained just how easy it is to buy a degree or some sort of official document and it is on the one hand, shocking, on the other hand, it's also downright terrifying. Having dived down the rabbit hole of how corrupt is Pakistan...was a wild, wild ridelaughable
@@jacekatalakis8316 It's comparable to the US where not one two planes went down in a perfect day for flying by over-riding pilot input and the same type blows off it's door panel. So Pakistan is following it's big brother but the big brother have lobbyist to keep them flying and Pakistan lake this privilege.
Literally even simulator pilots would do a better job than them.
God, now it makes sense why the EU and USA banned PIA.
Even someone trained on Google Earth's flight simulator could fly the plane safer.
even a guy like me who got zero thing about flying will do better after initial flight manual reading.!!
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No that's not why this happened. Many if our citizens were flying the PIA when they were escaping Kabul. This unlike most people believe was internal personnel scheming to have the airline go around.
Rubbish culture rubbish outcomes.
For anyone who hasn't seen the Blancolirio video on this from about a week ago, that's another good watch.
Hasn't Mentour Pilot covered this crash too?
Link please
@@hammondpickle Not in full, and definitely not since the final report came out.
@@aestheticsdesignstudio4113 Google "blancolirio Pakistan 8303", first hit.
Gross incompetence. Even a first year Cessna pilot would have handled this situation better.
Always a bad sign when a pilot is relying on a god to make the landing.
More Amstrad PCW videos 😀😀👍
@@SproutyPottedPlant ha ha, I still love my PCWs.
Matthew 4:7
"Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God".
If you must, try Hermes.
@@wan4891And it is also written " though shalt not quote meaningless bullshit from a work of fiction". By me
As a citizen of karachi, have to say this was very unfortunate. 97 people lost their lives. Heartbreaking.
I think that "Unfortunate" is not just an understatement, as this was blatant disregard for the safety of everyone around you (both the passengers and colleagues onboard, as well as the people on the ground), it's more like an active case of pure stupidity. As these pilots doesn't seem to have think that their actions are not controlled by free will. So I would say that this is manslaughter or even murder.
It's always tragic when these actions not only causes their own deaths, but innocent people around them as well...
Afterall it is Pak na...what else2say
Normally i like to point out that warnings should sound only as urgent as they actually are, but in this case they were ignoring so many critical warnings for no excusable reason.
The airplane doesn't know when a warning is more or less urgent, so does not adjust it to sound differently. The engineers do program in a certain priority when warnings conflict or when a warning is likely to be relatively trivial for a particular phase of flight, but that usually results in suppression of a warning until later or suppression altogether, sometimes inappropriately for a particular set of circumstances as some accident or incident investigations have shown. In this case the gear aural warning was automatically suppressed in favor of the overspeed warning, engineers probably didn't anticipate an airplane coming in at overspeed so close to the runway that gear down would take priority. But doubtful that the aural gear warning-a simple repeating chime-would have affected the outcome any; human factors studies show that an aural warning is more easily ignored in favor of a visual warning that attracts and retains humans attention more easily, and they were ignoring the red gear up warning message on ECAM and the bright red arrows at the gear lever. After they silenced all warnings, the gear warning, designed to be persistent when close to the runway, resumed but was soon out-prioritized again, this time by ground proximity warnings. Normally ground prox warnings are suppressed very close to the runway to avoid nuisance warnings when the ground near the runway has steep and significant elevation variances and because by then the pilots can see the runway or they would have executed a missed approach, but in this case they were not suppressed. I'm not a ground prox system expert, but I believe the newer EGPWS uses the present trajectory and trends of flight parameters to predict whether it is going to make the runway or crash short and if so, it would be logical to enable and prioritize ground prox warnings over gear warnings, the rationale being that time and effort would be better spent trying to prevent a crash into terrain instead of trying to prevent a wheels-up landing, the former typically being less survivable.
We all know that accidents do happen, however accidents due to pure stupidity is not acceptable❗
This incident still makes my blood boil; possibly the most blatant example of ignoring standard operating procedures & flying the aircraft like it is your two-seater Cessna. Embarrassing levels of training & safety standards too.
Both pilots should have not had a driving licence let alone a pilots licence
_"More than 30% of civilian pilots in Pakistan have fake licenses and are not qualified to fly, the country’s aviation minister revealed Wednesday."_
*-- CNN on 2020-06-25*
“The pilots tried braking” brakes that dont exist, because the gear is not down! What the *** is goin on with these dudes
Was he looking for the parking brake, perhaps?
I saw that plane before its crash. In his first attempt to land, when I saw it heading towards the runway with more speed than usual with no landing gears open. It had me got into strange but strong fear. I was like I'm gonna hear something banging soon. But nothing happened in that attempt. But after like 10 to 15min, i heard that loud banging sound few streets away from our home. Felt like gloom all around
Too much islam kills u
@@Kashmiri_pandit776 Irrelevant and illogical comment filled with hatred and extreme bias.
@@m.lutfullah4713 too much islam has killed pak economy
@@Kashmiri_pandit776explain UAE. It’s not Islam, it’s pure corruption that has killed Pakistan’s economy.
This has nothing to do with fasting. These two were utterly incompetent, with full and empty stomach. They should never have been sat behind the controls of a passenger aircraft.
Dehydration and low blood sugar has a huge impact on people physically and mentally. We'll never know how much it contributed to their decisions but if you're saying it doesn't affect you then you're lying.
That's not what I said. I said, it makes no difference whether they fastet or not. They were incompetent either way.@@HUNmerlin
@@Quotenwagnerianer And I said, science says it makes a difference. Even if they were incompetent on a normal day it still made them worse. One mistake fewer and this would've been averted.
Well what else can you expect from baffoons who observe Ramadan while they are responsible to be alert and should know better and then fly with the mindset of "We will make it if God wills it"?
People with that kind of attitude should NEVER be allowed to fly an airplane.
That only further shows their incompentence.@@HUNmerlin
@@HUNmerlinexcuses excuses they are useless who killed people because of sheer stupidity
I think travellers are exempt from fasting during Ramadan so by extension pilots and cabin crew should be too as they are both travelling AND working (and doing a job where the lives of others are in their hands!). glad this rule has been changed now to make fasting incompatible with flying
They are exempt but they still have to pay Fidya (charitable giving instead of fasting). Basically, when someone cannot fast during Ramadan for a valid reason and they cannot make it up after Ramadan, they must instead pay to a charity enough money to feed one person per day they cannot fast. If you miss a fast for no reason you must pay Kaffarah which is 60 times more than Fidya, or you must fast for 60 days consecutively.
Give me a break. Fasting is no big deal. People fast for weeks now
What Muslims find difficult in fasting is their grain addiction. Just look at how much sugar gulf countries consume. It's insane.
@@xavier1964 Good they are banned from flying in EU.
They are not pilots@@z00011001
@@z00011001they are not pilots.... and low blood sugar and lack of electrolytes impair judgement
Staggering crew incompetence verging on stupidity. My heart goes out to those that perished in this wholly avoidable tragedy.
I can't believe that if faith is more important than reality for anyone in the 21st century, that person is a transport plane pilot. I can't imagine operating a crane, a boat or an airplane with the idea that "God controls my life, and his satisfaction is more important than the safety of the people who rely on me."
The problem is not faith, the problem is they don't know their religion well. They are not obliged to fast when they are traveling and also doing work where you need to focus and are responsible for many human lives. They could have fasted instead on a different day when they are not working.
For them it is like this. Allah and the Quran are above everything..even common sense!
@@paromita10 I see the very same problem with evangelicals.
Wtf are you on about? The pilot was an arrogant fool with a fake license. Saying "inshaAllah" implies thats "unless God wills otherwise, it is what WE/I intend to do." You are a fool who speaks just to reinforce your own stupidity.
It has nothing to do with placing your religion above people. This is about ignorance. God does not want you to take a risk when you're responsible in such a situation. Especially as a traveler, it's not even required to fast regardless of whether you're a pilot or a passenger. So, this has nothing to do with faith but with ignorance. That a person on Earth can choose to put their trust in God and then do their utmost is actually good for more motivation and strength to carry out a task. Whether it's a teacher, firefighter, or pilot, it doesn't matter. I'm actually glad that in the 21st century, there's still a stronghold in religion. So, let's keep religion and rootedness separate in this situation ;) thank you.
When unqualified pilots are in command!
One of the retired PIA pilot told me that, this particular pilot having 1000 hours of flight, had occasionally ignored rules and protocols, and made his own way of things.
Can't blame it on fasting. That's ridiculous
@epicalyx4721Not just 6 Hours of hunger but most importantly being thirsty for so long…!
Always fascinating and informative as always. If possible could you cover the loss of Pan Am flight 7?
Id rather him cover the entire period where panam was losing a jet every 2 months for a year.
@@BobbyGeneric145 July 1973 to April 1974? Sounds like a chaotic time.
When pilots qualifying from flight simulators are in command,this happens....
I've been flyng flight simulators for 20 years. These kinds of mistakes at display here I did in my first years, but never again afterwards. This would simply not have happened to me.
I would be lost during abnormal procedures, most probably. But in normal operations, misjudging a flight envolope like this and then refusing to go around? Hasn't happened to me in ages.
Agrees
Nah even a casual flight simmer could do a better landing than this💀
More than 60% pilots in PIA has a fake license let that sink in.
Its Not Pakistan it is a Fakistan 😁
Note to self: never fly with PIA.
@@sachindeshpande1what's got you so excited slum dweller 99 people died due to the negligence of the pilots and here i see you making fun of Islam in an earlier comment and calling a country where 90% of it's population is doing pretty better compared to 80% of 🅱️indias 😂😂😂😂
@@sachindeshpande1 India has another name too "Rapistaan"
can't digest the fact without coming to a completely off topic? No wonder where Pakistan is right now. Insallah will not help you.
This is one of the best flight accident channels on you tube. Much better than the previous big name channel which has gone downhill big style.
I think fasting is just one of the reasons that can be mitigated since there are a lot of Muslim Pilots who don't have the same problem. The most interesting thing is that the pilot was deemed unfit as a pilot due to mental health and he almost could not fly with PIA, but then he got the second decision from his colleagues in the military.
It's clear there were a lot of other factors that played a role in this crash but Islamophobes will take every opportunity to blame Islam. According to them, Muslims can't have mental health issues because everything they do must be made out to be the fault of Islam. Unfortunately, this is what prejudice and brain-washing by Western media does to ignorant people. Current events more than prove this point
Absolutely shocking.
Like David Fravor says, aviation is a self cleaning oven. It's sad that so many innocent people were also in that oven.
Whew, that got dark real quickly, but the quote is true. Disasters become less common with time, but hundreds of lives passed for aviation to become safer. Still, planes are much more safe compared to cars, though general aviation has a long way to go to catch up with commercial aviation's safety. GA aircraft are a bit dangerous.
@@thatguyalex2835in my opinion, with all the wars happening, disasters aren’t getting better
…until the next batch of cookies are put in. Each generation brings its own batch of cookies.
When you are flying an Airbus but think of pulling Top Gun maneuvers. 😅
"Borderline reckless"???
Borderline ?
Arrogant, no border about it.
FMC : Bro bro bro. I'm out of audio channels and I've got entire dash lit up, what are you doi-
***ENGINES SCRAPE RUNWAY***
PIC : "Going around"
FMC : * throws up hands *
This is was great. Thank you for breaking this down in such details.
That "descent" was not a descent. That was a dive.
Wild, I’ve crashed so many planes in flight sim but always remembered my gear 😂
I'd think that'd be something you'd check a FEW times.
Silly question, but, would it have been possible for the controllers to _not_ clear them for landing in that situation (or rescind said clearance)? They clearly weren't established
Yes. "cancel [whatever] clearance" will do it.
As far as I'm aware the point of the ATC clearance is that the runway itself is safe to land on and that there is no conflicting traffic, I don't think they can decide to cancel the clearance based on poor airmanship, aircraft configuration and the like- but i could be wrong, would be nice for someone from actual ATC to comment
@@igorbednarski8048They can. At least in EU. "Cancel approach clearance" can absolutely be done. Mostly this happens if there is an emergency and the runway is blocked for some reason. There is even "cancel landing clearance" depending on how far away the landing aircraft is.
EDIT: forgot this - Airmanship isn't obvious to the ATC but being waaay too high way too close to the runway can be a reason for a "cancel clearance".
@@user-yi3yx2fn7g yeah, that was my point - I know that the ATC can cancel the clearance, but I thought that the clearance just means "the runway is safe to land on and you're not conflicting with any traffic on the ground or in the air" and it was up to the captain to decide if they are stabilised and configured to land.
Can the ATC tell the captain that they cannot land, not because there's something wrong with the runway itself or because of some obstacles/conflicting traffic, but because they think the plane is being flown incorrectly?
@@igorbednarski8048 I mean in that case, the runway is likely not safe, for them specifically. I think that kind of judgment call is totally justifiable.
Flying with P.I.A. is really a PIA experience.
Airbus- We will make an airplane with so many safety features and warnings that no pilot can crash it.
moslem pilot- Hold my beer.
You're not yourself, when you're hungry. They should have taken a Snickers.😑
4:09 "Inshallah"
The Muslim equivalent of "hold my beer and watch this, y'all!"
And usually isn't a good a good sign to hear it
@@bobsemple9341
It means "God willing," but seems to precede a lot of bad decisions...
(From what I can tell as a bemused outside observer.)
The pilot was starving. What he actually said was, "Aloha snackbar!"
@@grmpEqweer you're absolutely right. It's precisely that. Muslims love to deflect and assign the responsibility, thoroughness and diligence that is expected of them in any act or practice of life to this 'overseeing' entity by validating their incompetence and deficiencies through the utterance of 'Inshallah'- literally translating to 'if God wills (so will pass)'.
It's a common joke amongst muslims themselves that if you ask something of someone and they respond with 'inshallah', it should solidify to you your certainty that whatever you ask of them will simply not be done.
@@DemPilafian it’s always the people that look like you that make these stupid jokes
You do such a great job! You definitely have a talent
How many Pakistani pilots are actually fully qualified ?
During the investigation after the crash, 1/3 of all pilot's licenses in Pakistan were found to be fake. As a result, all Pakistani airlines were immediately banned from flying to the EU and US.
However, thanks to enormous effort of Pakistani air authorities over the last 4 years, it appears that Pakistan managed to clean up this mess. The FAA and EASA are now in talks with Pakistani authorities, and there is hope that the ban can be lifted soon.
Very few. There's a reason no one goes there
@@wojciechmuras553hopefully it won't be lifted. It's clear they can't fly safely. They shouldn't be trusted in European cities. Europeans shouldn't be put at risk
@@bobsemple9341 I have been there tho on a ship. Trust me I will not return to the shithole
@@wojciechmuras553 for what....
Could the tower controller not have said, “landing clearance cancelled. Go around!” ??
He did! But not in those words.
in their culture...it is really impolite and disrespectable to say that
You mean "disrespectful," btw. There's no such word that you used.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Meaning of disrespectable in English:
not worth someone's respect, or not respectable (= considered to be socially acceptable): Never has the organization been more disrespectable or useless
I just watched a newly posted video about this less than 2 weeks ago. Has something new been found since then?
Well done . Ty for this video
Soo comforting with highly experienced pilots.
I better walk if PIA is only option available.
One thing the video did miss
The first officer wanted to go around/orbit which is why he retracted the landing gear, but the captain didn't, the captain wanted to land, but no words were said in the cockpit then it was retracted
I just wanted to know, which flight simulator do you use for these videos?
How do you accidentally retract the gear? It's a big lever.
Yeah, I haven't read the final report yet but I doubt it was accidental. At least from this video's narrative it was done by the FO and at the same time as spoilers were retracted and the nose was raised in response to sink rate warnings. It seems like the FO was trying to heed the warnings as quickly as the Captain was trying to generate them.
"They would need full reversers (to stop)" Well i don't think the reversers would last long with the engines acting as skids.
WAIT 2020 4 YEARS AGO?!? time flies
Can you do a video on the military plane that crashed into a hotel in evansville indiana back in the 70s/80s?
Wow this is crazy, and frankly unacceptable for sure. Thank you for presenting this very disturbing reminder of why I no longer feel safe flying. I used to love flying, but putting our lives in strangers hands makes no sense anymore.
Well there are many more less controlled and intoxicated strangers around you on the roads and there are many accidents happening there. Of course not 96 people die at once but overall your fear seems not completely rational.
1) if you’re affected by fasting and you have lives in your hands, you have the option to null your fasting for the day. Allah will forgive you and you can replace said fasting day, to days outside the month of ramadhan. This is why pregnant women are given the option to not fast. She literally has a life depending on her physical/mental wellbeing. This thinking actually applies here too, even more so when you have a plane full of people. And im saying this as a muslim myself.
2) damn, if they actly commited to that landing, the plane wouldve probably overshot the runway, but im sure there would atleast be more people alive.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but your use of u, n, r, ur, etc instead of spelling the words properly makes your message almost unreadable. I am sure you made a valid point, but I can't understand most of it. You may have saved yourself a few seconds typing that way, but you added effort for everyone else trying to read it.
@@j29maniac noted, and i’ve edited them 👌
PMA 👍 I like it.
@@arsyadidris6349 much better. Thanks. 😊
@@cirilloucazzu4457 come on now. This is from a religous standpoint. Just giving my informed opinion on the matter.
Im sure practitioners of hinduism, judaism, christianity, shintoism, taoism, buddhism etc etc all have an opinion on the matter. They all have their respective gods, messiahs, prophets, mythologies and ofcourse, teachings.
Interesting note: the semites are any people from southwest asia (essentially the arabic region) that speak the semitic language, which include arabic n hebrew. Their religion is usually (though not always the case) christianity, judaism n islam.
So by that definition, im not a semite despite being a muslim, coz im genetically from southeast asia. But if you speak harshly against an arab-speaking person of arab descendant but is practices christianity… by application, you are anti-semitic😅
During the month of Ramadan traffic accidents of vehicles become more common due to lack of proper sleep and fasting. Drivers lose control of their vehicles on roads.
Love the detail of the video, unfortunately sad video.
Great video with your soft voice. Only one thing bothers me again and again. When planes in animation aim for a landing strip it would be nice if the landingstrip was marked in the animation. It is hard to see the airport when it blend in with the surrounding terrain.
Her mate Andrew your long time buddy from Sydney why in this video you said the wheels were on the ground,(meaning the reverse thrust not work )
It did sound like "were" but I'm pretty sure it was "weren't" the explanation confirms that they weren't on the ground.
Multiple parameters must be met for the thrust reverse doors to unlock... Gear down, wheel spin, idle thrust, etc.
@@maurice7413 thanks for clear it up
How on earth did 2 people survive that crash?
Thanks for this video. I have an upcoming flight from Pakistan to Kuala Lumpur in Ramadan on Pakistan International Airlines....
Classic case of “I’m experienced, know everything, can do everything”
the moment he said insahhaal his intention was clear
The moment you wrote this comment your intention as an idiotic Islamophobe was clear
Pakistan hate comment noticed, typical Indian L
This is par for the course for Pakistan - the country is corrupt from the top to the bottom - I doubt if there are many actually qualified pilots - and the absolute incompetence shown here puts mr Bean to shame - you couldn't make it up - avoid any pakistani airline like the plague
Chinese too.
What about Boeing 737max?
IMPORTANT. On first approach pilots put gear lever down, but landing gear were not retracted cause of OVERSPEED, so through all this event they had gear UP, until absolute late moment
After the captain told ATC “insha’Allah, We can make it”, that was the end already.
Insane that ATC didnt order them to go around. If they knew the approach was unstable they should have ordered it, IMO. Also if they were looking at the plane couldnt they see the plane wasnt configured for landing?
In some partsof the world the pilot is King and everybody gets tonguetied when it comes time to do their job and speak up. Even amongst pilots there is a strict hierarchy and pecking order and attempts to teach them CRM and the necessity of speaking up when they notice things are going wrong appear to be a waste of time-cultural norms of respect and deference take precedence. The Asiana that crashed into a seawall at SFO when no one dared tell the Captain he was too low and needed to manually move the throttles after he inadvertently disconnected the autothrottle. Or the Japan Airlines 747 that overran the runway and ended up in knee deep water because the FO and flight engineer didn't say go-around out of respect.
When the pilot asks his sky daddy for help lol!!!!!
One very important thing that applies everywhere.... Arriving at your destination late is always better than not living to see another day. Circling to reduce the altitude would have attained desired altitude and airspeed and plenty of headspace for comfortable landing. Also don't work if you are starving its never good. Unless you are lost without food and water.
Following this tragedy, it was discovered that some Pakistani airline pilots had fake licence documents. As a result all Pakistani airlines were banned from EU and UK air space. As of March 2024 that has yet to be revoked.
That's what happens when fake pilots try to fly a plane.😂😂
lol inshalla god was not willing lol!!!!!
Those two r going straight to hellfire for sure😂
The point when all good outside observations are dismissed and a " We got this " mindset is initiated is the beginning of the crash...
Religion and it’s practices have NO place on a commercial flight deck.
Agrees
Agreed. And that's from a Christian guy. Only professional conversations about the plane or piloting the aircraft (sterile deck) should be used.
The pilot said "we can make it, inshallah", (god willing). Apparently their god wasn't willing. 🤣🤣🤣
don't laugh at anyone's religion...... whereas we are not laughing at you
@@kjie--00
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@@kjie--00 inshallah sister.
Maybe Allah thought they are a bunch of Idiots.
@@kjie--00islam is nothing more than a virus
All good but please make an amend as to the time.....
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Time was not local but all mentioned times are suppose to be in UTC..........
Thanks...
Good video. One key point I wish you had covered was the plane was very much glidable to the airport when the last of the engines failed. This would have been their act of redemption. But they pulled the nose up (not the one at the very end but way before) and lost altitude and speed which was the final coffin.
I feel like getting multiple external psychiatrists at the same time to clear your evaulation should be a disqualifying factor in the first place. What is this, Inception?
I’m sure Allah would’ve been OK with them having a snack. Absolutely ridiculous and irresponsible!
Interestingly, you're actually exempt from fasting when travelling.
Unbelievable, makes one never want to get on a plane again
I'm gobsmacked... utterly lost for words
Moral of the story: Stay away from Pakistan and PIA!