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Peter, what happens after they divert, do they just re-fuel and takeoff to the original destination after a breather to give the weather time to improve. Or do they get on a bus and drive up there? 😅
I almost always go into these stories blind, so every time Petter says, "...unfortunately we will never know..." I get that sinking feeling in my gut. Then sometimes it turns out it's just because the information was lost... not the plane. My emotions have to make a go around!
Me too. I never know why certain aspects will never be known, I would think the FDR would have such info. Maybe they just don't download it if there isn't a crash.
Once my flight was delayed because the captain wouldn't take off till they provided enough fuel for the second alternate (and there were some disagreements with the company or provider, as far as I could understand). We ended up in the second alternate because of tornadoes at the destination and first alternate. Still thankful to him!
I hope any passengers who were angry and possibly complaining about the delay understand now how fortunate that was, and appreciate the pilot like you do. It's a tough job and even if it was unpopular he clearly made the right decision. Safety first!
I want this guy to be narrating my entire life. "He _should_ have poured out the coffee grounds over the sink ensuring the safety of the kitchen counter...but that's NOT what happened"
As a Singaporean, thanks for doing this video. This was reported a couple of times on the media here, but I think 99% of Singaporeans did not grasp how critical and close to a crash this incident was - and didn’t expect this, given Singapore Airlines’ solid reputation. It is quite shocking and sweat inducing to know how bad the flight was… great job.
@@huwzebediahthomas9193 it’s quite a different Changi airport today.. nothing remains of British RAF Changi except a few old conserved buildings. Present day Changi Airport is built on 100% reclaimed land that didn’t exist during WW2. Obviously different runways and everything…
@lours6993 how old were u in 2000? It was reported by CNA breaking news before dawn… and I was online in IRC at that moment I can still recall. It was on every media for months… so what rubbish are u saying? LOL.
@@lours6993 how old is your colleague? Was he/she even born in 2000? lol. It was reported daily for months… and multiple follow up documentaries. You don’t even live here and u talk absolute nonsense… does every American know every air crash in the US?
I was a passenger on this flight and, having watched many air crash videos, knew we were on borrowed time. This was a truly horrifying experience, only numbed by the fact that we were stuck at Batam for nearly 13 hours before getting back in the air, and the sleep deprivation softened the memory of what happened. 6 hours into the wait, the pilots greeted the passengers and I was mortified to see them being bombarded with questions as to why we hadn't diverted to KLIA. I shook their hand, said my thanks, and later found out that the crew had all assumed we were water bound some time after the second go around. I'm glad to know this flight is helping in training scenarios now, and ironically having landed in Heathrow the day after that BA flight skidded off the runway over a decade ago, to know that the change of flaps settings in this secanrio may have prevented further issue on the runway in Batam is a bit freaky!
Reminds me of a BA 747 tranatlantic red eye flight into Gatwick, with a snow bound runway. We held for around an hour while ATC decided when the runway would open, and eventually diverted to Souhampton, where we made a texbook landing on a runway almost half the length of LGW and 26 feet narrower. Not suprisingly, the captain had never landed at SOU, and we were stuck there for several hours before fuel trucks came on shift. What got to me was the attitude of the majority of pax, who were complaining like billy-oh. So we'de run out of potable water and all the snacks had finished, but so what, the flight deck had performed with total precision. I quipped with the cabin crew in the galley that although thankful to be on the ground, I appreciated the extra "free" flight time the crew had given us. That perked them up a bit! (Never did find out if they'd proclaimed a mayday, but obviously they knew more than they were telling me.)
Why was that a horrifying experience? Did anyone tell you you were about to run out of fuel? Was there any announcements about it before landing? Otherwise isn’t it just a regular hold and regular go around? What horrifying about that? I’m sure it is now that you know the whole story but inside the airplane before landing how could you know what was really going on?
My Take away from this video is the following quote 'its always better to slow things down and give yourself more time when the perception is there is less time available.' Its applicable to any timebound stressfull situation we come across in our lives. Your attention to details in presenting every story is top notch. Thank you and your team to the hardwork that goes behind making these videos.
As a retired controller from Chicago I’d like to add this. I spent a lot of my time holding aircraft for KORD. I worked the sectors that included the majority of first the Pullman arrival then the Windy arrival. When ever I went into the hold for something other than routine runway changes I would keep my pilots informed. Once I had my holding established if I thought it would become a lengthy delay I would ask the pilots to give me their max holding time and alternates. I would then use this info to lobby with approach, or plan on how best to help. I was not above taking planes out of sequence if I was sure that I could get everybody in but the sequence meant a diversion for someone else. I had a pretty darn good record of getting as few diversions as humanly possible. But I fully believe it was good communications between pilots and ATC that made the difference.
Good communication and honesty is vital in all situations. If a pilot is told that he needs to go around again due to another aircraft with a fuel emergency, he will not complain. Unfortunately, we still have situations where the two pilots are not even communicating with each other.
As an ex paraglider we had a saying, 'it's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than to be in the air wishing you were on the ground'!! This flight was scary AF. My anxiety is off the scale!
In the case of aviation, I would say the prime rule would be "rather be late and* safe than on time and dead". I am very new to this channel, but in most disasters it seems its a 50/50 between need to meet deadlines/get on destination on time and a pile-up of confirmation bias. A close uncle of mine was also a paraglider and he had the same golden rule as you. Sometimes we went to places where he wanted to glide and he just did another thing because the weather conditions where just not there lol. I believe he having a son (my younger cousin) was a key factor in those moments, because I could see the glimmer in his eyes when the wheather was good and the mix of frustration and sadness when it was not. I feel like that if it wasnt for his son, he might have took glides with innapropriate wheather and might have not even been here today tbh
Is it just me, or does this guy have the most riveting speaking voice you ever listened to? I know nothing about flying but I actually can understand about 90% of what's explained.
"Is it just me, or does this guy have the most riveting speaking voice you ever listened to? I know nothing about flying but I actually can understand about 90% of what's explained." This goes some way in explaining the hypnotic effect of the Funnelbeaker dialect in the 30's. "Honey, is it just me or does the guy with the funny gestures have a most riveting voice. I know nothing about the juice, the slobs, or the jypsees, but I understand about 90% of what's explained."
I read a lot of criticism of the report for this incident, as the report made it sound less concerning than it actually was. So glad you covered this incident!
I love to know what the third pilot was doing, Singapore airlines always has three pilots when they fly. I’ve traveled on Singapore airlines from Manchester to Singapore, no problems except turbulence flying over India. I wouldn’t want be on that flight.
Between this channel and the flight channel I definitely am more aware of what's going on when I step onto a plane. There are just so many things that can go wrong. I definitely don't like to travel in bad weather, especially snow ice
It's always good to be prepared in case the pilots need some tips on how to fly the plane, or for when you have to take over control of the plane when having watched this video makes you the most qualified person to do so. (Good luck should this ever happen to you!)
Despite the poor judgement calls, this pilot had some incredible fortitude to do the right thing and perform that last go around instead of sucumbing to the tunnel vision that could have so easily killed them all.
I absolutely love your detailed and professional videos of incidents with no casualties. If not for your channel, we, general public, would never know. Thank you so much for covering such incidents
I discovered Mentour Pilot about 6 months ago out of curiosity, and because of my constant binge watching, I realized I was getting a supreme flight education, and always appreciated your thorough descriptions of every part of aviation for us non pilots. Fast forward to today, and my husband and I look forward to flying different aircraft each night with our new flight simulator and yoke system. I can’t thank you enough Petter, for helping make this 50yr old gal’s dream of flying come true!
I almost did the same but then saw what would happen if I went for yoke and pedals and flaps/throttle etc etc and decided "nope not for now" lol. I have an old Thrustmaster flightstick/throttle combo in the closet but as a Pettr fan i'm an imaginary Boeing pilot and a stick would only be good for Airbus lol.
That's hilarious.. I recently got my private pilot licence and just want to tell you that at least the Cessna 172 in fs2020 is about 90% true to the real thing, the biggest differences being small things like rudder control and pitch trim sensitivity. If you're good at flying in the sim, you would be able to fly pretty much the same in real life.
@@iBreakAnkles4Fun oh crap, that’s the one I struggle with the most because I fly like it’s a 747! I do love flying the different top gun jets, but landing on an aircraft carrier is so exact, neither one of us has made it, haha. Congrats on the new pilots license! I need a LOT more practice, but it’s so much fun.
@@jennifertwede7142 Thank you, it is mad fun to be fair, shame training costs a kidney and a lung so very few people can afford to become a commercial pilot. I'm doing the EASA airline license theory now and it's a stupid amount of studying full of useless information for the sake of weeding out people who aren't driven enough to study all day everyday for at least 6 months straight. Can't imagine going through this if you don't love flying. Have fun with the sim guys, wish my girlfriend had an interest in aviation :)
Incredible how the improvements keep happening on this channel. Peter's storytelling, the editing, animations, sound, music and everything is supremely immersive for a youtube channel. Thanks for the content once again!
This incident highlights the importance of good fuel planning, and it reminded me of the LaMia Flight 2933 tragedy. Due to a poor flight plan and several mistakes by the pilots, the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. You should do a video about it some other time, because the circumstances of this accident were insane. The flight was a carrying a brazillian football team and their entourage for a championship in Colombia, and only 6 souls survived out of 77. It was horribly sad and tragic, and just thinking about it now makes me want to cry. RIP Chapecoense.
Thank you, Petter. As a huge avgeek, it's always nice to learn something new. I knew about holding patterns, and their shape.....but I didn't know about the stacking, and that the lowest planes are vectored in first, and the newest stacked on top. Cheers from California.
@@phillarnach9484 dude the pilot had more than 13K flying hours experience and knew what's at stake. In a very high stress scenario and environment he did good.
What a crew! Especially the teardrop to the final approach. Thats the kind of flight crew you want in the cockpit when travelling. Real stick and rudder guys.
This sort of incident is one of the big reasons why I love my job. I'm a dispatcher in the US, and while we do put together flight plans like the dispatcher of this flight, we are also legally 50% responsible for the "operational control" of the flight, which means we are a resource on the ground to help with diversions like this - and a resource that knows what fuel reserves the flight has, at that. We can run fuel numbers, call airports, research available services, and unlike ATC, all of that is stuff we do every day, so we can do it very, very fast. We also have an overview of the weather and where it's moving, and can advise the pilots if what looks good from their perspective doesn't look so good from ours. I don't like handling diversions, but having us there to help is infinitely better than the alternative, and in my opinion, the use of dispatchers for flight following has certainly helped the US avoid similar incidents.
Landing in Genova with heavy cross winds, pilots tried twice, ultimately concluded, nope! and off to Torino we went. Pilots were apologizing profusely to all us pax but I gave them a hearty grazie! as I exited the plane.
What I think. The Pilots were brilliant in a very stressful situation. We all say we could do something different until we are faced with a situation and then training and will takes over. Thank goodness they all landed safely.
When Mentour repeated the phrase, “We will never know…” it made me think the worst had happened. But the main thing is that the pilots got the passengers on the ground.
thank you for this video. i was a passenger on this flight and could feel how dangerous the situation had gotten. but it was nowhere as suspenseful as you had described because we had no idea what the actual fuel state was the entire time the diversion took place. as passengers on board we did collectively get more uneasy each time the plane failed its landing attempt and 3 go-arounds was intense. it was such a pity the flight ended this way because it started off amazing. we took off from heathrow on Diwali night and as we flew into the sky we could see fireworks lighting up all around us. in the end we were stranded for 13 hours in Batam, a good 2 hours of which were on the plane right after we landed - no power, no food, water or toilets. i was with my mother and she was on the brink of a medical emergency because she was overdue on medication but thankfully she had stashed a reserve pill on her. a truly harrowing experience for me.
Such a pity? You should have been thankful the plane was landed safely by the pilots with no casualties despite the rough weather. The pilots ain’t gods, nobody controls the weather or wants delays or diversions. Whilst you had your fair share of problems with your mum, I’m sure all the crew and pilots were already very tired and still had to continue serving and taking care of you guys way after the flight ended. Just be glad for the blessings in disguise.
@@bells2803or it can be looked another way, for the pilot’s mistakes putting them in this situation in the first place. Your asking them to be thankful for pilots landing them safely when they continued to make mistakes and poor decisions that created the very problem they were in.
For as many times as you said 'we will never know,' I was really expecting this one to end in a much different way. Glad to see that in the end no one was hurt.
Unfortunately if the recorders have been erased or not revealed, we'll never know and clarifying it at that moment in the video means revealing the outcome and that interferes with the flow of the story.
They were hurt mentally. The plane never made it to the gates fuel ran out. They waited 3 hrs in the plane with no ac the we taken to holding rooms for another 6 to 9 hrs definitely not good
Way back in the 1960s I recall my instructor (An Ex WWII Wellington bomber pilot) telling me many times. Take-offs are voluntary, Landings are not. Still true today.
I was stuck in a United A320 many years ago over the eastern range of the rocky mountains trying to get into Denver during a thunderstorm. Worst flying experience of my life...I was soooo glad when that aircraft touched down. Those are the times that you really appreciate what pilots do.
My family used to fly to the East Coast for Christmas and we were nearly always diverted for weather. I always wondered what made the difference for allowing planes to fly in to weather versus diverting/holding.
I found it interesting that you have to declare a fuel emergency if you're projected to land below the minimum reserve fuel, even though the "emergency" might not have emerged. We are big mentour pilot fans in my household, often jokingly implementing checklists etc in day to day life, and we've now decided to implement a similar system with loo roll: we should ALWAYS ensure we restock on loo roll BEFORE we get onto the last roll - if we find ourselves down to the final roll, we'll have to declare a loo roll mayday :D
@@Edax_Royeaux Yeah, that one is an interesting story, with many elements contributing to a tragic outcome. Not just an extraordinary number of lengthy holding patterns, but also bad weather (as always, it seems!), confusion about the meaning of "priority", the multiple handoffs of the flight from one controller to another to another, resulting in the controllers not appreciating the seriousness of the flight's fuel situation, a captain whose English was poor and had to rely on his first officer for translations, and a first officer who was not assertive enough when he needed to be.
You are such a good narrator. I was captivated until the very last second and wasn't hoping they can make it. I can't explain the relief when they safely landed. Good job on your part!
Amazing story. Its easy for us passengers to get grumpy about delays and diversions - but we need some confidence in our pilots that they are working for the best result. For me the things that stands out here are 1 - As @MentourPilot said take time, slow things down - I know I can be guilty of rushing to the 'solution' 2 - the pilots should be congratulated for getting everyone on the ground safely. It must have been a horrible moment when they decided to do that final go-round but in that moment (we were not in their seats to judge!) they made the right decision and got the job done.
I remember too when my father's flight to Dalian in NE China got diverted to Shenyang a further ~300km north due to fog at the former's airport, which also lacked radar at that time to support IFR landings
Thanks Petter, great coverage of this frighteningly close to disaster event. Having way over 25k hours in heavy jets, (and now retired), I can recall many situations where the weather issues we faced were similar, including arrivals in to Changi with storms all around, having come down from Heathrow. One absolutely has to stay ahead of the game, make a positive diversion decision when required, and then NEVER EVER get yourself into a rushed approach situation which can mean an unstable approach and thus an unnecessary go-around…. or much worse. I was literally cringing listening to the events unfolding- it’s a miracle that the outcome was as good as it was- just pure luck rather than good management. As I said- well done presenting it all, nice work!
@@phillarnach9484 Of course not. However there are limits on how much extra fuel you can carry, and carrying extra costs a lot. Also, especially on longer flights, you’ll burn a very large percentage of extra fuel that you carry- simply by carrying extra weight. Also weather forecasting is an inexact science, and a lot can change during a fourteen or fifteen hour flight.
With a tropical climate thunderstorms are not uncommon in Singapore's region, especially during the monsoon season from Nov-Feb, & yes they might get more intense due to climate change. These storms also delay baggage unloading from aircraft already parked at the airport, as the ramp agents work outdoors & lack lightning protection. Imagine if your flight gets delayed though because the aircraft's previous flight's baggage couldn't be unloaded for that reason! & thunderstorms here can last all afternoon!
Yeah, for me there was an element of get-there-itis, which lead to intercepting final approach courses on 5-6nm out. He had 2 attempts to make stable intercepts onto final, perhaps even engage the autopilot to capture the glide and localizer. Happy for the good ending.
Just the other day a brief but intense storm passed over YSSY (Sydney). Many aircraft were doing hold patterns for up to an hour, but I noticed one domestic flight diverted to Canberra, even though it was not on hold for that long. By the time it was on approach to YCBR - not that far from Sydney, YSSY was open and aircraft were landing. While I realised they were forced to divert due to fuel, this video was really helpful in understanding the various thresholds for fuel safety. Thanks!
I was in the car with family the other day when a supercell rolled over and the entire sky turned green. You're functionally blind the entire time and even though I was within walking distance from my home, that experience was terrifying. We couldn't see out of the windscreen crawling along at 20km/ph let alone at the speed of a plane about to land.
Your comment about the need to slow down especially when time is critical really resonated with me. Thank you! You made it abundantly clear that the pilots' decision to cut into the approach path so close to the runway was what made it impossible to capture the ILS. I've been there, done that! But never again!
One flight from NRT to LHR in the early 1990s. We were holding for a long time at LHR, and then the landing was abandoned at maybe 100 meters hight. The captain came on the PA system and said: “ATC wants us to return to the top of the stack, but we don’t have enough fuel to do so, so we will land at LGW in three minutes!” Which we did.
@@stevecreighton3352 With only 2 runways and an air movement every 40 seconds at peak times, LHR ATC have a very difficult job. The biggest problem is that any inbound flight with even minor problems is treated as a mayday. All movements are stopped and the firetrucks line up along the runway. With the number of landing flightpaths that fly over central London and heavily populated areas for the remainder, it makes sense. Short haul BA and Aer Lingus pilots see most of the brunt of the problems, since ATC know that they they could do the go arounds while they were asleep. LOL
@@stevecreighton3352 I used LHR in transit to and from USA between 1983 and 2010. I always needed to add two extra hours each way compared to Frankfurt just to save a few Euros. I'm very fortunate. I don't have to go to England or USA anymore.
@@stevecreighton3352On one occasion, in a storm, we tried to land three times before finally doing so on the fourth attempt. Our plane was the last one to land before LHR closed due to bad weather.
@@wilsjane on crew pick-up airside very early morning at LHR over 20 years ago, I was waiting for an A340 to land on 09R when in fact it lined-up and landed on 09L by mistake. The captain said to me later, "Let's not talk about it". While it was a mistake, I'm sure ATC allowed him to continue on finals as they knew 09L was also clear to land. I think I remember the airline form the Middle East, but I won't mention it. Malaysia Airlines famously got banned from UK arispace in the late '90s for flying with insufficient fuel. The last straw was when one of their a/c ran out of fule taxiing to its stand at LHR.
I breathed a sigh of relief when they landed safely. I am always glad to see these end on a positive note. Thank you for covering these. Your channel makes great pilot training material. Your channel should be a mandatory subscription for all pilots. There is a lot to learn here.
I absolutely love that you kind of veered off disasters and are now mostly using (serious) incidents to educate us. It's much less sinister, making for a much more entertaining (and just as teachworthy) moment.
Also, at this point, I think he finished documenting most of the major accidents. This shows how rare disasters actually are in aviation. In any case, I loved this video. I was very concerned about the outcome, and I'm glad they managed to land safely in the end (depending on your definition of "safely").
@@SplyfofThere are many, at least one a year and sometimes significantly more than that, especially in decades past. I think he opts to cover the ones where the decision-making and training of the flight crews had the most bearing on the result. There wasn’t much that the pilots of PS752 could have done to avoid being shot down by the Iranians, for example.
I am reminded of an incident when I got a call to clear a parking lot for an air ambulance to land, and they mentioned low fuel. the local hospital hadn't yet installed ILS equipment, so alternate landing sites weren't uncommon. interestingly, in this case, the only reason for the air ambulance was because there were no ground ambulances available to do a scheduled non critical patient transfer. the upshot was I had time to chat with the pilot while we waited for the passenger to arrive. I asked him about the low fuel mention, and he laughed and said, "we just didn't want to wait to see if visibility improved, because that would mean we had to take on fuel before we returned to base."
@@ProctorsGamble the people on the ground misinterepreting choosing an alternate LZ for fuel reasons, or not wanting to waste fuel circling because it would mean detouring to get fuel instead of just fueling at base?
What surprises me when hearing about this, is that it doesn’t happen more often! Storms are everywhere, all the time! And not very predictable. Especially at adjacent airports… I think having to take 3 go-arounds due to do the impulse to take a shorter path on 2 of them really may have been the biggest problem.
Last year, on a flight from BWI to IAH, the pilot missed the approach and we had to be diverted to SAT. The weather never cleared up over IAH, and I ended up missing my connection to CUU. It was very frustrating because I saw the ground at IAH before the pilots climbed again and went on to SAT. It was even more frustrating because I was on my way to my brother's funeral. Talk about some rough emotions. But it's videos like these that make me understand that deviation from plans, while frustrating, are for our own safety. Thank you for these!
Sorry for your loss... Ironically, did you know that Singapore loves TLA's? What's a TLA? Well, 'TLA' is a TLA, Friend. BWI is British Wisconsin, right? IAH is Iowa Hampshire, right? CUU is Sioux University... SAT is... Ah... Forget it 😅
There’s some difference between vertical and lateral visibility. Just because you can see the ground doesn’t necessarily mean your forward visibility is good enough to land. Sorry for your loss.
Had a very similar situation a year or two ago. I was booked on a flight from Denver to OKC, with a brief layover in Dallas. We were delayed out of Denver due to weather over Dallas. When we finally left Denver, we circled DFW twice and then diverted to a small airport outside of Lubbock. We had to wait for refuel and a specialized nose-tow there before we could take off again. We eventually landed at DFW, more than seven hours late. I had missed my connection to OKC, but the desk agent didn't understand why I didn't want to rebook it, and instead just wanted to return to Denver. It took me three tries to get through to him that I had been trying to reach my grandmother in OKC before she passed away, and that she had died while we were in the air. I don't hold any resentment for the diversion, but it was such a punch in the gut to turn my phone back on in Dallas, and find out it was too late.
Takeaways from this incident. 1. Trust people to do their jobs. They are in the position they are in for a reason. 2. Captains should not believe that they have to do everything themselves. Learn to delegate tasks, or just stay in the lane of the role that you have chosen when taking off. 3. Make a plan and stick to it. 4. If you realize you're out of position, and will not be able to make a landing, go around early. There is no shame in not getting the plane down on the first attempt. There is plenty of shame in crashing one.
Points 3 &4 seems so contradictory though. How do you make a plan and stick to it but still know when to abandon your plan early. If they had stuck to the plan they would’ve still been circling over Changi Airport praying the weather would get better. It’s easier said than done, and I think the captain trusted his guts to do what he could.
@sohsaraaa Not contradictory, as they are not simultaneous actions. It means stick to your plans unless there is a valid need to change the plan. i.e. have discipline and do not impulsively deviate from the plan on a whim. There is a corollary to this principle: Do not obstinately proceed with a plan when indications are that you need a new plan. The Captain lingered on, hoping to land at Changi even when it was fairly clear that the weather may not improve in time and they needed to divert, accepting one more circuit in the hold, then another one, then bargaining for a 360° instead of a full circuit… while the big engines were gulping down the dwindling fuel to critical level.
What I think is that you could write some pretty amazing and suspenseful books around aviation. Your story telling gets me on a roller coaster of "Oh no, they're not going to make it," and "Oh, good, they're going to be alright." Just another 'plus' to your videos. Well done.
The one thing I remember from a flying lesson I took on a flight sim is a good landing starts with a good approach. I would imagine the reality in this situation was far more stressful.
Your excellence is unmatched, Petter. These videos are the best available. This one was a nail biter. Had they not nailed that last landing, this would have been an entirely different video.
Still, by far, my favourite TH-cam channel 👍 As a nervous flyer myself, I've found the way you break down these incidents, and explain things from a pilot's perspective, incredibly helpful and reassuring. Thanks Petter, it's been a game-changer for me 😊
@@MentourPilotI live in a small rural area of the USA. I'm almost 40 years old and I've never been on a plane due to my terrible anxiety. However, your videos have definitely eased my worrying! ☺️ If it's financial feasible for me, I plan to fly and attend the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles! ❤️
@@FigureNasticsas Superman said "well i hope this incident hasn't put any of you off flying,statisticly speaking its still the safest way to travel".......how many people drive their cars every day and they never stop to think they could be in a crash and be killed or seriously injured despite the fact you stand a much higher chance of being involved in a car crash than you do of being involved in a plane crash.
Just keep it to: as Superman said "well i hope this incident hasn't put any of you off flying, statistically speaking its still the safest way to travel".
Got into this channel through Mentour Now. These videos and animations are just tremendous ! Always fantastic graphics, and explained in a way that seems tailor made for me, a very ineterested, but decidedly amateur, aviation enthousiast with very limited knowledge. Although that knowledge is certainly LESS limited since watching this channel. Keep up the great videos, just a brilliant channel.
Yes; do most airlines have specific regulations around when pilots must save flight data? Esp. in the instance of go-arounds, and most particularly after a mayday call! Feels like their allowing an over-write here was pretty dodgy given severity of incident...? Couldn't help wondering if the airline's desire to protect their high corporate reputation is what allowed that action to go without penalty or reprimand in the final report (speculation only).
The plane never made it to the gates. It ran out of fuel while taxing the passengers were stuck 3 hrs in the plane with no electricity or ac. Maybe thats why
I genuinely love the structure of your videos, explaining the specific background of each topic in detail before even getting to the incident. I always feel like an expert because you give us the info to anticipate the problem ourselves in each video. :) You must be great at giving presentations!
Petter, your show is so good that it deserves to be on Netflix or a subscription based service. You are the reason behind this. I have no doubt that the show will continue to flourish. I’m happy we can keep you here on TH-cam and selfishly hope to keep you here for years to come as I can’t afford another membership! Lol!
One thing I reckon is this: The crew was very disciplined in not getting gettheritis, especially on the last go-around. They stayed with procedure and saved their airplane. (Although the CRM was not idea)
I do believe they had _some_ get-there-itis, in that they waited far too long trying to get into Singapore before finally diverting to Batam. If they had made that decision earlier, they would've had much more fuel to work with when they needed it.
The story telling quality just keeps getting better and better. I was in the edge of my seat. I’d love to hear the story of United 173 that crashed in Portland in December of 1978.
Every single time Captain Petter says "And this is about to become very important soon!" always sends chills down my spine and my heart beat that much faster cause it means something bad is about to happen and it always kept me on the edge of my seat and nearer to the screen to focus more on the imminent danger that's about to occur! 😅
I've never had to divert as a fellow 738 pilot, and a captain since earlier this year. However, I lived this scenario as if I was on the left hand seat. Great commentary Petter. Thank you. Again if diversion is very likely, don't waste any valuable time/fuel. Just fly to your alternate or any airport suitable in the circumtances. Drink your tea and sleep happily ever after.
738?? What kind of aircraft is that ? Must be some new kind of superjet I never heard of. Just spelling mistake otherwise you are absolutely right about safe way to fly 👍
@ asokoniso: If what Edax says is true, may I respectfully suggest that you avoid using obscure abbreviations and jargon that are known only to industry insiders -- at least if you want your comments to be understood by more than a small handful of readers. 🙂
@@Milesco a quick google search of "738 aircraft" will tell you Edax is right. Also, this is an aviation focused channel so I don't see any issue with using aviation terminologies. Oh also, the aviation community is not small.
This was the most incredibly suspenseful story I have heard you tell. Absolutely heart-stopping. I am a sailor and know the feeling of being caught out by weather and unable to get anywhere safe and storm coming etc. But times ten for those guys, up in the air. So we'll told as always, you are one of my YT stars.
Petter, this one had me on the edge of my seat. As a layman and non-pilot, I was hanging on your every word in the re-telling of this story. You told it well, with plenty of explanations and detail. I can only say that I am glad the pilots were able to land that airliner safely. BTW, when you were using Belfast, UK in your graphics it seemed to me that there was something odd about the orientation of the city with the Irish Sea. Excellent video.
Hi Brian, Lough Neagh is a massive freshwater lake (largest lake in Ireland), just a few kms to the west of Belfast International Airport. I suspect you were mixing up Lough Neagh and the Irish Sea.
@@MrKingjjjI once defecated on the edge of Loch Neagh. I had Chinese takeaway about 6 hours earlier and by the time I reached the Loch with four friends, my poo was halfway out of my poophole and I just had to unzip and take a dump. And a massive dump it was, too. Moral of the story: never eat Chinese commie food if you are visiting a place with no nearby loos.
I remember when an Avianca was trying to land at JFK during a delay and the pilot did not make a mayday call just said he was low on fuel. It crashed into the Long Island Sound.
Avianca Flight 052 was a regularly scheduled flight from Bogotá, Colombia, to New York City, United States, via Medellín, Colombia, that crashed on January 25, 1990
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Yes, the Avianca 052! This video also made me think about the charter flight Lamia 2933 that crashed near Medellín, Colombia, after running out of fuel. All but three members of a Brazilian football team died in that accident.
This is a classic example of getting led into a gradually deteriorating situation. It was caused by both an extreme deteriorating weather situation and a bit of “gethomeitis”. So glad it turned out ok. Another fascinating video very well presented, thank you Petter and the team.
For me as an Indonesian avgeek, it's pretty much a stress situation in my opinion and i am a little bit imagine of what the pilots must have felt during the last few holdings with limited fuel. Unfortunately, i have never visited Batam Island and the airport. Fun Fact : Hang Nadim Airport was even certified for an Airbus A380 because the runway was long enough for any widebody such as the A380, 747, or 777. I think this is an excellent video. Well done👍, sir
Fantastic video, one of the best on this channel. True, there hasn't been a lot of media coverage. Still shows that the captain was very experienced, to be able to do the quick turn and visual landing in the end
Let's all make sure that we understand how brave and professional these pilots are !! They were dealing with such an emergency with cold blood and ice nerves!!! Really Bravo !
Sir, You're one of my favorite guys. This was a fantastic story. I'm not a pilot and can't judge but The captain needed to include his crew more to help him and at one point he was 130 ft over a runway and I imagine might have set down, unless he couldn't see it. I'm just very thankful they had a miraculously safe landing, and may all of yours be safe too.
My heartrate was throughthe roof with this one So incredibly scary situation. And ik most of your comments are praising you for the amazing vosuals but here i am yet another one praising for your amazing visuals. Seriously props to you guys
@@MentourPilot It's no wonder so many allied WW2 bombers ended up in the North Sea out of fuel. Researched an Halifax for a friend - his uncle radio/gunner Sergeant ended up in the North Sea all lost.
Your comment towards the end of the video you commented on how we need to avoid the tendency to start rushing when feeling a sense of urgency. I then thought of an old saying, "haste makes waste." Another excellent video.
Just flew on Singapore Airlines from Japan to Italy and will fly again on my way back and one of my favorite youtubers just uploaded a video about the airline what a coincidence!
Agree. His over 10,000 hours should have prompted him to decide on his course of action much earlier than he did and stick to it, instead of risking running out of fuel. His 3 aborted landings shows incompetence, IMO.
3rd go-around was chilling AF... I'm glad they landed safely. 1st, they were lucky that storm clouds moved away and 2nd, great airmanship of pilot to land safely from very very unstabilized approach. I always love happy endings in this playlist xD
I've always had immense respect and awe of pilots, there are so many things to consider even when flying in normal weather let alone unstable conditions. I've been watching your videos for a year now and I always love how in-depth you get when getting into the mechanics of flying, it makes it easy to understand for those of us who aren't in the aviation industry. Brilliant video as always, much respect to the whole team who puts their time into making these!
I’m not a pilot, but this level of critically low fuel made even me break out in a cold sweat! Thank you for the excellent report, and congratulations to the crew for getting this aircraft on the ground!
I agree that fuel was low but let's say they did not have fuel at all couldn't the pilots just initiate a water landing ? Just curious because batam is surrounded by water.
@@bharat-dz9wi Yeah, something like the landing on the Hudson River in New York. There was also a flight in Scandinavia or Europe, where the aircraft ran out of fuel and made a belly landing, landing gear up, in a snow-covered field in a forest in the middle of nowhere. That was a heart-stopping story. Fortunately, all were saved. Don't know if it's been featured on Mentour.
The captain should have made a firm decision earlier and stuck to it, instead of waiting for clearance which kept getting delayed and then making risky decisions. They were saved by the skin of his teeth.
Nice! My first comment in this channel. I'm sailor and sailed much more than 15 000 miles. What I see there and from my experience, it's some time better to take in account some extra miles to safe approach and give electronics time, if you have that kind possibility. Human factor will always to fail. Does not matter how experience you have. Especially when you are experienced. Experience gives confidence that you need more cautious. It's more scary when you think how it's better and you relay on this experience cushion, which can blow in any second. This time they were lucky. Sometimes I give new sailors opportunity and they do better as me, as I looked from my experience point.
That's a really interesting point you make! We usually tend to make the assumption "Greater experience = More skills = Safer", but from my observations when working in safety-related roles, sometimes the equation is actually "More experience = Taking the same shortcuts many times = Maybe getting a bit too confident?" And with professions where technology & regulation are constantly changing, newer trainees may actually be more up on the latest developments. But in either case, a lot of it still always comes down to personality and to CRM (cooperation & communication between colleagues)...
Man the stress of flying around that much passengers and limited time in rough weather, man that's why I'm not a pilot, the stress that comes with it all where it's your life on the line is just mind blowing. Prayers for all pilots and crew
I completely lack knowledge on mechanics of airplanes and English is not my first language, which makes it difficult for me to understand a lot of technical details, yet the clarity of MP's explanations, the addition of many visuals and English subtitles make it way easier for me to digest necessary information. I’m glad I can enjoy this great channel, greetings from Poland. :> I also really appreciate how respectful MP is in his storytelling and how his perspective as a pilot enriches these videos.
Greetings from the Republic of Bulgaria Petter. I appreciate the fantastic job you are doing and still struggle to figure out how you find time to do all this in such a professional manner. Wish all the best to you, your family and your team behind these awesome series.
It stroked my heart as I faced similar situation (from thinking point of view) in my ultralight having an imminent engine failure & fire indication after a sunset with poor visibility near my destination airport (I only have 100hours in total). I stayed too close to the runway and ending up too long and going around twice! Then I took 10-20seconds in the air to breathe so my brain could restart and only then I landed. Faulty instruments and freezed brain almost made me land into a fence behind the runway. Normally I would land on a landing strip with 1/3 of the length without any problem, but the !! stress really kills your brain beyond your imagination !! Valuable lesson for me, so I always land before sunset since then and hopefully this has shorten my possible startle/surprise effect.
Thank you very much for sharing this Experience! - Indeed! The same Failure happened here (as one of a couple of Errors), only with a much larger Aircraft and much more People on Board!
Another great video Petter! As I am sure others have commented, I really like the amount of technical detail you include in your reporting (eg fuel calculations, the workings of the ILS, rules regarding communications with ATC etc). I don't work in the industry, but I am fascinated with airline operations. All to often, when I watch other documentaries on these types of incidents, a lot of the technical info tends to be watered down or omitted entirely. However, in your videos, you always seem to strike a perfect balance in how you carefully and methodically walk us through the information we need to know in order to help us understand what has occurred.
Agree. Its the balance in deductive and inductive reasoning coupled with observation of known flight information that makes such interesting case studies.
I was just a single engine private pilot decades ago, so I’m learning so many new things that I often bounce off an A320 friend (he watches your channel). A big takeaway: the captain got tunnel vision-so worried and invested that he forgot to delegate anything to the copilot; it just became worse and worse. Something that could happen to anyone. Tough to pry me from controlling everything in this case. I’d probably snarl at my copilot. Great true story telling-riveting stuff. Thanks!
Just accidentally watched this again in full. Seems like a new story even though the same. One more comment: if I didn’t have to fly the next day, I’d be drinking heavily that night
These videos always provide massive amounts of information that the average layman can understand. So much so that if I was to train to be a pilot, this is what I expect to happen. I walk into flying school. They ask, "do you have any flying experience?" "I watch Mentour Pilot" "Congratulations. Here's your license." 😁
Is there evidence that the pilot stayed cool? The voice tape has been "lost" as I understand things and my suspicious mind tends to wonder what was on it that someone didn't want to gain a wider audience.
He got the aircraft down, but a certain amount of luck was involved. Perhaps he should be censored for poor CRM, taking on too much, and not communicating properly?
I am hooked on this channel. 2 days ago I randomly clicked on it when it was a recommendation for me on my TV. Immediately I was in deep, the quality, the narration, the explanation, all top notch. I have already told 7 people at my work about this channel and how awesome the content is. Many of these incidents I am unaware of and I legit am at the edge of my seat as the story unfolds. Sometimes I cannot wait and have to Google what happened. One thing I always do is Google the image of pilots so I can relate / visualise better. I do understand why Peter doesn’t show them due to privacy and respect for the pilots. Keep doing this, I have learned so much about aviation and next time I am in the plane as a passenger, I will pay special attention to what the pilot is announcing.
As a Singaporean, I was not expecting this at all, Singapore Airlines has a stellar reputation as one of the safest and most highly rated airlines in the world
In a way this incident shows where that reputation comes from: even at critical fuel, the captain had the discipline to go around rather than try to force a landing from an unstable approach. If he hadn’t, this would have been a crash investigation.
I once took a BA flight from London Heathrow to Miami, which departed at about 10 am. I and my then wife left home at the same time - I on my way to the airport and she on her way to work. Everything was fine until the plane arrived near Miami, when the captain announced that security had closed the airport because President Clinton was there, so we'd have to wait till he left. After being stuck in a holding pattern for ages, he came back on the intercom and announced that the plane was running low on fuel, so we had to divert to Orlando. Big groan from all on board. Anyway, we eventually landed in Orlando during a massive storm. After refuelling, we were ready to depart, but according to the captain, the storm was too heavy for the 747 to take off, so we had to wait. After another delay, we eventually got going. On reaching Miami, the captain was back on the intercom to say that the storm we experienced at Orlando had now reached Miami and we couldn't land, so we were again put into another holding pattern. After what seemed like ages, a very apologetic captain was back on the intercom to explain that the storm hadn't lessened and since we were getting low on fuel again we were now returning to Orlando a second time. Even bigger groan from the passengers. So, back to Orlando we went for a second time. But of course, we weren't the only jumbo affected and Orlando was overwhelmed. They kept us on the plane for a further 7 hours, while they dealt with the unexpected flood of arrivals. By this time all food and drink on board was long gone and the toilets were overflowing. Fortunately, I was in business class, which was bad enough, but cattle class must have been truly awful. There was one final announcement from the captain to say that the crew had exhausted their allowed flying hours, so rather than fly back to Miami, we would be put up in hotels for the night and then taken by bus the next morning to Miami. Eventually, busses were hired and I reached a hotel: "Welcome to sunny Orlando. Would you like a smoking or non-smoking room?" "Err, non-smoking." "Would you like a balcony or a sea view?" "Err, What? Look, I don't care, just get me a bed - any bed will do." "There you are Sir, have a nice day." "Yeah, right." When I finally reached my room, I rang my then wife, who by now was at work on the FOLLOWING day. The journey had taken over 24 hours so far and we weren't even there yet. We were later taken by bus to Miami, but of course, I missed half the conference that I was supposed to attend. Everywhere was waterlogged since they had had over 29 inches of rain in 24 hours!
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What production company makes your CGI stuff?
Idk but I am 2nd
Lesson of the day: If you're going to fly in bad weather, you should fill up!
VPN is the opposite of privacy. Everything you do is logged and tied to your account. Just fyi.
Peter, what happens after they divert, do they just re-fuel and takeoff to the original destination after a breather to give the weather time to improve. Or do they get on a bus and drive up there? 😅
I almost always go into these stories blind, so every time Petter says, "...unfortunately we will never know..." I get that sinking feeling in my gut. Then sometimes it turns out it's just because the information was lost... not the plane. My emotions have to make a go around!
Same here :)
Agreed. Not fair to the readers/listeners.
Me too. I never know why certain aspects will never be known, I would think the FDR would have such info. Maybe they just don't download it if there isn't a crash.
I had a similar feeling for a few seconds, but i figured if this was a crash, i would've known already.
Yeah, me too. Also, the title “We won’t make it!!” makes us wonder what is happening and I don't recall hearing that quote during the video.
Once my flight was delayed because the captain wouldn't take off till they provided enough fuel for the second alternate (and there were some disagreements with the company or provider, as far as I could understand). We ended up in the second alternate because of tornadoes at the destination and first alternate. Still thankful to him!
wow, glad he stood for it.
Good man, the Captain was.
I hope any passengers who were angry and possibly complaining about the delay understand now how fortunate that was, and appreciate the pilot like you do. It's a tough job and even if it was unpopular he clearly made the right decision. Safety first!
How did you get to hear that info, by the way? Is there any way for us passengers to know this info? Was it the pilot directly informing you about it?
@martafiord pilots inform the passengers if there are delays or any emergency situations. They have to inform. Its the rule
I want this guy to be narrating my entire life. "He _should_ have poured out the coffee grounds over the sink ensuring the safety of the kitchen counter...but that's NOT what happened"
He was very experienced having logged 2,000 hours of coffee brewing.
Now, let me explain how us coffee drinkers start to prepare the coffee grounds that will be later brewed and ultimately consumed at a high temperature
Great comment! 😂😂😂
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As a Singaporean, thanks for doing this video. This was reported a couple of times on the media here, but I think 99% of Singaporeans did not grasp how critical and close to a crash this incident was - and didn’t expect this, given Singapore Airlines’ solid reputation. It is quite shocking and sweat inducing to know how bad the flight was… great job.
Changi airport is certainly interesting, it's WW2 history for instance. Empire of the Sun JG Ballard book and movie was based there.
@@huwzebediahthomas9193 it’s quite a different Changi airport today.. nothing remains of British RAF Changi except a few old conserved buildings. Present day Changi Airport is built on 100% reclaimed land that didn’t exist during WW2. Obviously different runways and everything…
i don't think it was even covered by the media, i don't recall any news report from st/cna about this. Only the final report was released
@lours6993 how old were u in 2000? It was reported by CNA breaking news before dawn… and I was online in IRC at that moment I can still recall. It was on every media for months… so what rubbish are u saying? LOL.
@@lours6993 how old is your colleague? Was he/she even born in 2000? lol. It was reported daily for months… and multiple follow up documentaries. You don’t even live here and u talk absolute nonsense… does every American know every air crash in the US?
I was a passenger on this flight and, having watched many air crash videos, knew we were on borrowed time. This was a truly horrifying experience, only numbed by the fact that we were stuck at Batam for nearly 13 hours before getting back in the air, and the sleep deprivation softened the memory of what happened.
6 hours into the wait, the pilots greeted the passengers and I was mortified to see them being bombarded with questions as to why we hadn't diverted to KLIA. I shook their hand, said my thanks, and later found out that the crew had all assumed we were water bound some time after the second go around. I'm glad to know this flight is helping in training scenarios now, and ironically having landed in Heathrow the day after that BA flight skidded off the runway over a decade ago, to know that the change of flaps settings in this secanrio may have prevented further issue on the runway in Batam is a bit freaky!
Wow, that is fascinating to hear. What a lot to go through. Great that you were able to show your appreciation to the pilots :)
Reminds me of a BA 747 tranatlantic red eye flight into Gatwick, with a snow bound runway. We held for around an hour while ATC decided when the runway would open, and eventually diverted to Souhampton, where we made a texbook landing on a runway almost half the length of LGW and 26 feet narrower. Not suprisingly, the captain had never landed at SOU, and we were stuck there for several hours before fuel trucks came on shift. What got to me was the attitude of the majority of pax, who were complaining like billy-oh. So we'de run out of potable water and all the snacks had finished, but so what, the flight deck had performed with total precision. I quipped with the cabin crew in the galley that although thankful to be on the ground, I appreciated the extra "free" flight time the crew had given us. That perked them up a bit! (Never did find out if they'd proclaimed a mayday, but obviously they knew more than they were telling me.)
Wow, I'm sure glad it was you and not me on that flight. I'm saying that as a pilot.
Horrifying indeed! In this case I wonder if it's better to know or not to know.
Why was that a horrifying experience? Did anyone tell you you were about to run out of fuel? Was there any announcements about it before landing? Otherwise isn’t it just a regular hold and regular go around? What horrifying about that? I’m sure it is now that you know the whole story but inside the airplane before landing how could you know what was really going on?
My Take away from this video is the following quote 'its always better to slow things down and give yourself more time when the perception is there is less time available.' Its applicable to any timebound stressfull situation we come across in our lives.
Your attention to details in presenting every story is top notch. Thank you and your team to the hardwork that goes behind making these videos.
or as Phil dunphy said: slow is smooth and smooth is fast
My thoughts exactly
Exactly.
All pilots are good at managing stress until they have an stress situation then they all become the worst decision makers.
He’s part man, part machine! Amazing!
As a retired controller from Chicago I’d like to add this.
I spent a lot of my time holding aircraft for KORD. I worked the sectors that included the majority of first the Pullman arrival then the Windy arrival. When ever I went into the hold for something other than routine runway changes I would keep my pilots informed. Once I had my holding established if I thought it would become a lengthy delay I would ask the pilots to give me their max holding time and alternates. I would then use this info to lobby with approach, or plan on how best to help. I was not above taking planes out of sequence if I was sure that I could get everybody in but the sequence meant a diversion for someone else. I had a pretty darn good record of getting as few diversions as humanly possible. But I fully believe it was good communications between pilots and ATC that made the difference.
Indeed. And in this case the Pilots stayed much too long in the belief that the weather would change in a positive way at their original destionation.
Thanks for all you did back then and for the potential that others learned how to be good controllers from your example. 👍🏻
Good communication and honesty is vital in all situations. If a pilot is told that he needs to go around again due to another aircraft with a fuel emergency, he will not complain.
Unfortunately, we still have situations where the two pilots are not even communicating with each other.
Thank you for your dedication and professionalism, Sir!
Wow! What a great controller. _airline retired_
As an ex paraglider we had a saying, 'it's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than to be in the air wishing you were on the ground'!! This flight was scary AF. My anxiety is off the scale!
Mine too.
In the case of aviation, I would say the prime rule would be "rather be late and* safe than on time and dead". I am very new to this channel, but in most disasters it seems its a 50/50 between need to meet deadlines/get on destination on time and a pile-up of confirmation bias.
A close uncle of mine was also a paraglider and he had the same golden rule as you. Sometimes we went to places where he wanted to glide and he just did another thing because the weather conditions where just not there lol. I believe he having a son (my younger cousin) was a key factor in those moments, because I could see the glimmer in his eyes when the wheather was good and the mix of frustration and sadness when it was not. I feel like that if it wasnt for his son, he might have took glides with innapropriate wheather and might have not even been here today tbh
ex-diver same sentiment "It's better to be on the boat wishing you were down there than the other way around"
Is it just me, or does this guy have the most riveting speaking voice you ever listened to? I know nothing about flying but I actually can understand about 90% of what's explained.
I find a lot of Swedish people calm to listen to. Petter is a great example.
He rocks it.
You ate weird! I understand aviation. This guy is long-winded, and he knows how to narrate an event to keep people like you interested!
"Is it just me, or does this guy have the most riveting speaking voice you ever listened to? I know nothing about flying but I actually can understand about 90% of what's explained."
This goes some way in explaining the hypnotic effect of the Funnelbeaker dialect in the 30's.
"Honey, is it just me or does the guy with the funny gestures have a most riveting voice. I know nothing about the juice, the slobs, or the jypsees, but I understand about 90% of what's explained."
@@saffy4352 You're the lunk at the Will Rogers shows who'd yell out, "Ah get to the point."
I really didnt think this plane would safely land. Amazing work in the end.
oh wow, me too! imagine the poor passengers!
@@oboealtoI doubt they fully understood
But it's a scary thought if the weather didn't improve though, and if the crew is still (seemingly) rushed and agitated to land.
@@oboealtoyep as a passenger we honestly thought the worst on the 3rd extreme go around.
Amazing? no. Pure luck. They lost "Amazing" when they didn't divert after the first holding loop.
I read a lot of criticism of the report for this incident, as the report made it sound less concerning than it actually was. So glad you covered this incident!
Surely the report made mention of serious "weather change", not "climate change"? Humanity cannot be this alarmist and, frankly, stupid.
The report "forgot" to mention fuel figures at critical points.
I love to know what the third pilot was doing, Singapore airlines always has three pilots when they fly. I’ve traveled on Singapore airlines from Manchester to Singapore, no problems except turbulence flying over India. I wouldn’t want be on that flight.
SIA is owned by the Singapore government, as is the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore......draw your own conclusions.
It happened because of climate change or global warming or global cooling.
Ahhh… nothing is better to sit and watch this videos with a cup of coffee just before doing a long plane travel… wonderful
Yep, I will be taking a crj700 for a short jaunt to a hub then a 737 into dc soon.
They lived and so did you! 😂
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Between this channel and the flight channel I definitely am more aware of what's going on when I step onto a plane. There are just so many things that can go wrong. I definitely don't like to travel in bad weather, especially snow ice
It's always good to be prepared in case the pilots need some tips on how to fly the plane, or for when you have to take over control of the plane when having watched this video makes you the most qualified person to do so. (Good luck should this ever happen to you!)
Despite the poor judgement calls, this pilot had some incredible fortitude to do the right thing and perform that last go around instead of sucumbing to the tunnel vision that could have so easily killed them all.
I absolutely love your detailed and professional videos of incidents with no casualties. If not for your channel, we, general public, would never know. Thank you so much for covering such incidents
Thank YOU for watching. I’m so happy you find it interesting and valuable
I discovered Mentour Pilot about 6 months ago out of curiosity, and because of my constant binge watching, I realized I was getting a supreme flight education, and always appreciated your thorough descriptions of every part of aviation for us non pilots. Fast forward to today, and my husband and I look forward to flying different aircraft each night with our new flight simulator and yoke system. I can’t thank you enough Petter, for helping make this 50yr old gal’s dream of flying come true!
I almost did the same but then saw what would happen if I went for yoke and pedals and flaps/throttle etc etc and decided "nope not for now" lol. I have an old Thrustmaster flightstick/throttle combo in the closet but as a Pettr fan i'm an imaginary Boeing pilot and a stick would only be good for Airbus lol.
Me jealous
That's hilarious.. I recently got my private pilot licence and just want to tell you that at least the Cessna 172 in fs2020 is about 90% true to the real thing, the biggest differences being small things like rudder control and pitch trim sensitivity. If you're good at flying in the sim, you would be able to fly pretty much the same in real life.
@@iBreakAnkles4Fun oh crap, that’s the one I struggle with the most because I fly like it’s a 747! I do love flying the different top gun jets, but landing on an aircraft carrier is so exact, neither one of us has made it, haha. Congrats on the new pilots license! I need a LOT more practice, but it’s so much fun.
@@jennifertwede7142 Thank you, it is mad fun to be fair, shame training costs a kidney and a lung so very few people can afford to become a commercial pilot. I'm doing the EASA airline license theory now and it's a stupid amount of studying full of useless information for the sake of weeding out people who aren't driven enough to study all day everyday for at least 6 months straight. Can't imagine going through this if you don't love flying. Have fun with the sim guys, wish my girlfriend had an interest in aviation :)
Incredible how the improvements keep happening on this channel. Peter's storytelling, the editing, animations, sound, music and everything is supremely immersive for a youtube channel. Thanks for the content once again!
@Sofaninja326 - I agree! Too bad there isn't an academy award-type ceremony for You-Tube videos. Peter would win in every category.
03:21 You can even count and check the rivets!
My admiration for your videos continues, I find them incredible and very explanatory. Congratulations Mr Petter. ✈️✈️✈️🛩️🛩️🛩️
I used to agree but I really miss the intro with the "100...50. 40. 30. 20. 10!" GWPS alerts 😢
I find the music sometimes interferes with the story.
This incident highlights the importance of good fuel planning, and it reminded me of the LaMia Flight 2933 tragedy. Due to a poor flight plan and several mistakes by the pilots, the plane ran out of fuel and crashed. You should do a video about it some other time, because the circumstances of this accident were insane.
The flight was a carrying a brazillian football team and their entourage for a championship in Colombia, and only 6 souls survived out of 77. It was horribly sad and tragic, and just thinking about it now makes me want to cry. RIP Chapecoense.
Thank you, Petter. As a huge avgeek, it's always nice to learn something new. I knew about holding patterns, and their shape.....but I didn't know about the stacking, and that the lowest planes are vectored in first, and the newest stacked on top. Cheers from California.
The captain should be congratulated on not rushing an unstable landing. Took real balls to make that final go around.
Huh, he rushed the 2 previous unstable approaches to be in that position.
Every time he went around, I thought that was what you were talking about. Every time u was like "another one?!"
Right, he made some prior judgement errors but the important thing is he landed without any casualties.
@@phillarnach9484 yeah he might've rushed those 2 approaches but he still didn't risk the rough landing after them
@@phillarnach9484 dude the pilot had more than 13K flying hours experience and knew what's at stake. In a very high stress scenario and environment he did good.
What a crew! Especially the teardrop to the final approach. Thats the kind of flight crew you want in the cockpit when travelling. Real stick and rudder guys.
This sort of incident is one of the big reasons why I love my job. I'm a dispatcher in the US, and while we do put together flight plans like the dispatcher of this flight, we are also legally 50% responsible for the "operational control" of the flight, which means we are a resource on the ground to help with diversions like this - and a resource that knows what fuel reserves the flight has, at that. We can run fuel numbers, call airports, research available services, and unlike ATC, all of that is stuff we do every day, so we can do it very, very fast. We also have an overview of the weather and where it's moving, and can advise the pilots if what looks good from their perspective doesn't look so good from ours. I don't like handling diversions, but having us there to help is infinitely better than the alternative, and in my opinion, the use of dispatchers for flight following has certainly helped the US avoid similar incidents.
Thank you for everything you do for us in the background, it’s great to have a good team. 👍🏻
You like unforseen incidents?
@@NeungView No, he likes his job.
Love your research and effort put in the video.
Unfortunaly accidents/incidents is how we make aviation so much safer.
Absolutely! And hearing about them is how we spread that knowledge
Safety regulations are written in blood
It's because of your work and "74GEAR" that I feel so much safer flying commercially.
Fortunately, this was an incident, and not an accident.
@@RickySTT yes and this kind of incident is best for safety. Learning and implementing safety barriers while nobody gets hurt
Landing in Genova with heavy cross winds, pilots tried twice, ultimately concluded, nope! and off to Torino we went.
Pilots were apologizing profusely to all us pax but I gave them a hearty grazie! as I exited the plane.
What I think. The Pilots were brilliant in a very stressful situation. We all say we could do something different until we are faced with a situation and then training and will takes over. Thank goodness they all landed safely.
Yep. Hindsight is always 20/20
When Mentour repeated the phrase, “We will never know…” it made me think the worst had happened. But the main thing is that the pilots got the passengers on the ground.
Yes, that phrase was upsetting.
They erased the cockpit voice recorder immediately after landing ;)
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 Shouldnt be allowed
@@Av-fn5wx back in the day, we all did it as a matter of course....
Strictly speaking we could know by asking the pilots. So using the word “never” is a bit of a cheat
thank you for this video. i was a passenger on this flight and could feel how dangerous the situation had gotten. but it was nowhere as suspenseful as you had described because we had no idea what the actual fuel state was the entire time the diversion took place. as passengers on board we did collectively get more uneasy each time the plane failed its landing attempt and 3 go-arounds was intense.
it was such a pity the flight ended this way because it started off amazing. we took off from heathrow on Diwali night and as we flew into the sky we could see fireworks lighting up all around us. in the end we were stranded for 13 hours in Batam, a good 2 hours of which were on the plane right after we landed - no power, no food, water or toilets. i was with my mother and she was on the brink of a medical emergency because she was overdue on medication but thankfully she had stashed a reserve pill on her. a truly harrowing experience for me.
so far we have 4,520 passengers on this flight! Glad you are all safe.
@@Prefabfan-q2q😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Such a pity? You should have been thankful the plane was landed safely by the pilots with no casualties despite the rough weather. The pilots ain’t gods, nobody controls the weather or wants delays or diversions. Whilst you had your fair share of problems with your mum, I’m sure all the crew and pilots were already very tired and still had to continue serving and taking care of you guys way after the flight ended. Just be glad for the blessings in disguise.
@@bells2803or it can be looked another way, for the pilot’s mistakes putting them in this situation in the first place. Your asking them to be thankful for pilots landing them safely when they continued to make mistakes and poor decisions that created the very problem they were in.
@@damedusa5107 Yeah, in hindsight Kuala Lumpar seemed like the best option lol
For as many times as you said 'we will never know,' I was really expecting this one to end in a much different way. Glad to see that in the end no one was hurt.
Unfortunately if the recorders have been erased or not revealed, we'll never know and clarifying it at that moment in the video means revealing the outcome and that interferes with the flow of the story.
@@sierraromeomike the fuel may have been less than what the fuel system could measure, they'd need to inspect the tank.
They were hurt mentally. The plane never made it to the gates fuel ran out. They waited 3 hrs in the plane with no ac the we taken to holding rooms for another 6 to 9 hrs definitely not good
The attention to detail in every video makes this my favorite channel! Great job to everyone involved!
Much appreciated!
Can I heartily endorse this comment please!
Way back in the 1960s I recall my instructor (An Ex WWII Wellington bomber pilot) telling me many times. Take-offs are voluntary, Landings are not. Still true today.
Mentour Pilot is by far the gold standard in aviation content on TH-cam.
I was stuck in a United A320 many years ago over the eastern range of the rocky mountains trying to get into Denver during a thunderstorm. Worst flying experience of my life...I was soooo glad when that aircraft touched down. Those are the times that you really appreciate what pilots do.
My family used to fly to the East Coast for Christmas and we were nearly always diverted for weather. I always wondered what made the difference for allowing planes to fly in to weather versus diverting/holding.
Yeah, the Front Range has really gnarly storms and updrafts. The other 300-ish days per year are beautiful though
I found it interesting that you have to declare a fuel emergency if you're projected to land below the minimum reserve fuel, even though the "emergency" might not have emerged. We are big mentour pilot fans in my household, often jokingly implementing checklists etc in day to day life, and we've now decided to implement a similar system with loo roll: we should ALWAYS ensure we restock on loo roll BEFORE we get onto the last roll - if we find ourselves down to the final roll, we'll have to declare a loo roll mayday :D
now I'm wondering if "streakytann" has noting to do with poor tanning products but...er...something else...
Avianca Flight 052 asked for priority and ended up crashing from no fuel after being put in yet another holding pattern in bad weather.
@@Edax_Royeaux Yeah, that one is an interesting story, with many elements contributing to a tragic outcome.
Not just an extraordinary number of lengthy holding patterns, but also bad weather (as always, it seems!), confusion about the meaning of "priority", the multiple handoffs of the flight from one controller to another to another, resulting in the controllers not appreciating the seriousness of the flight's fuel situation, a captain whose English was poor and had to rely on his first officer for translations, and a first officer who was not assertive enough when he needed to be.
Fuel light came on my car today, and I informed the family that if I were a pilot, I'd be making a mayday call now!
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You are such a good narrator. I was captivated until the very last second and wasn't hoping they can make it. I can't explain the relief when they safely landed. Good job on your part!
I’m a long time subscriber, but I want to say again how stunning your graphics and visual effects are.
We appreciate you and your content! Well done!
My dad always says, "If you don't have enough time to do it right, you must have time to do it again."
Amazing story. Its easy for us passengers to get grumpy about delays and diversions - but we need some confidence in our pilots that they are working for the best result. For me the things that stands out here are 1 - As @MentourPilot said take time, slow things down - I know I can be guilty of rushing to the 'solution' 2 - the pilots should be congratulated for getting everyone on the ground safely. It must have been a horrible moment when they decided to do that final go-round but in that moment (we were not in their seats to judge!) they made the right decision and got the job done.
I remember too when my father's flight to Dalian in NE China got diverted to Shenyang a further ~300km north due to fog at the former's airport, which also lacked radar at that time to support IFR landings
The way you and your team explain the details and reasons why things happened is very much appreciated.
Thanks Petter, great coverage of this frighteningly close to disaster event.
Having way over 25k hours in heavy jets, (and now retired), I can recall many situations where the weather issues we faced were similar, including arrivals in to Changi with storms all around, having come down from Heathrow.
One absolutely has to stay ahead of the game, make a positive diversion decision when required, and then NEVER EVER get yourself into a rushed approach situation which can mean an unstable approach and thus an unnecessary go-around…. or much worse.
I was literally cringing listening to the events unfolding- it’s a miracle that the outcome was as good as it was- just pure luck rather than good management.
As I said- well done presenting it all, nice work!
So did you leave Heathrow with minimum fuel knowing typical Changi weather, hope not.
@@phillarnach9484 Of course not. However there are limits on how much extra fuel you can carry, and carrying extra costs a lot. Also, especially on longer flights, you’ll burn a very large percentage of extra fuel that you carry- simply by carrying extra weight.
Also weather forecasting is an inexact science, and a lot can change during a fourteen or fifteen hour flight.
With a tropical climate thunderstorms are not uncommon in Singapore's region, especially during the monsoon season from Nov-Feb, & yes they might get more intense due to climate change. These storms also delay baggage unloading from aircraft already parked at the airport, as the ramp agents work outdoors & lack lightning protection. Imagine if your flight gets delayed though because the aircraft's previous flight's baggage couldn't be unloaded for that reason! & thunderstorms here can last all afternoon!
Yeah, for me there was an element of get-there-itis, which lead to intercepting final approach courses on 5-6nm out. He had 2 attempts to make stable intercepts onto final, perhaps even engage the autopilot to capture the glide and localizer. Happy for the good ending.
Just the other day a brief but intense storm passed over YSSY (Sydney). Many aircraft were doing hold patterns for up to an hour, but I noticed one domestic flight diverted to Canberra, even though it was not on hold for that long. By the time it was on approach to YCBR - not that far from Sydney, YSSY was open and aircraft were landing. While I realised they were forced to divert due to fuel, this video was really helpful in understanding the various thresholds for fuel safety. Thanks!
I was in the car with family the other day when a supercell rolled over and the entire sky turned green. You're functionally blind the entire time and even though I was within walking distance from my home, that experience was terrifying. We couldn't see out of the windscreen crawling along at 20km/ph let alone at the speed of a plane about to land.
Your comment about the need to slow down especially when time is critical really resonated with me. Thank you! You made it abundantly clear that the pilots' decision to cut into the approach path so close to the runway was what made it impossible to capture the ILS. I've been there, done that! But never again!
One flight from NRT to LHR in the early 1990s. We were holding for a long time at LHR, and then the landing was abandoned at maybe 100 meters hight. The captain came on the PA system and said: “ATC wants us to return to the top of the stack, but we don’t have enough fuel to do so, so we will land at LGW in three minutes!” Which we did.
Landing at LHR on a Friday afternoon was the worst. One of my friends, a short haul captain always stuck an extra few tons on and never had to divert.
@@stevecreighton3352 With only 2 runways and an air movement every 40 seconds at peak times, LHR ATC have a very difficult job. The biggest problem is that any inbound flight with even minor problems is treated as a mayday. All movements are stopped and the firetrucks line up along the runway.
With the number of landing flightpaths that fly over central London and heavily populated areas for the remainder, it makes sense.
Short haul BA and Aer Lingus pilots see most of the brunt of the problems, since ATC know that they they could do the go arounds while they were asleep. LOL
@@stevecreighton3352 I used LHR in transit to and from USA between 1983 and 2010. I always needed to add two extra hours each way compared to Frankfurt just to save a few Euros. I'm very fortunate. I don't have to go to England or USA anymore.
@@stevecreighton3352On one occasion, in a storm, we tried to land three times before finally doing so on the fourth attempt. Our plane was the last one to land before LHR closed due to bad weather.
@@wilsjane on crew pick-up airside very early morning at LHR over 20 years ago, I was waiting for an A340 to land on 09R when in fact it lined-up and landed on 09L by mistake. The captain said to me later, "Let's not talk about it". While it was a mistake, I'm sure ATC allowed him to continue on finals as they knew 09L was also clear to land. I think I remember the airline form the Middle East, but I won't mention it. Malaysia Airlines famously got banned from UK arispace in the late '90s for flying with insufficient fuel. The last straw was when one of their a/c ran out of fule taxiing to its stand at LHR.
When you said the cockpit voice recordings were lost, I just assumed the plane was going to crash, and was bracing for impact, so to speak.
I breathed a sigh of relief when they landed safely. I am always glad to see these end on a positive note. Thank you for covering these. Your channel makes great pilot training material. Your channel should be a mandatory subscription for all pilots. There is a lot to learn here.
I absolutely love that you kind of veered off disasters and are now mostly using (serious) incidents to educate us. It's much less sinister, making for a much more entertaining (and just as teachworthy) moment.
Also, at this point, I think he finished documenting most of the major accidents. This shows how rare disasters actually are in aviation. In any case, I loved this video. I was very concerned about the outcome, and I'm glad they managed to land safely in the end (depending on your definition of "safely").
yeah, i dont think that there are that many big aviation disasters left to cover
@@SplyfofThere are many, at least one a year and sometimes significantly more than that, especially in decades past.
I think he opts to cover the ones where the decision-making and training of the flight crews had the most bearing on the result. There wasn’t much that the pilots of PS752 could have done to avoid being shot down by the Iranians, for example.
And all these incidents themselves are merely a
‘Heads or Tails’ toss away from a full blown disaster!
What an intense story! Glad they made it to ground safely!
"We will never know" had me anticipating a tragic ending the entire time. This one really played with my emotions.
I am reminded of an incident when I got a call to clear a parking lot for an air ambulance to land, and they mentioned low fuel. the local hospital hadn't yet installed ILS equipment, so alternate landing sites weren't uncommon. interestingly, in this case, the only reason for the air ambulance was because there were no ground ambulances available to do a scheduled non critical patient transfer. the upshot was I had time to chat with the pilot while we waited for the passenger to arrive. I asked him about the low fuel mention, and he laughed and said, "we just didn't want to wait to see if visibility improved, because that would mean we had to take on fuel before we returned to base."
I’m sure that would be at least frowned upon if authorities knew about that
@@ProctorsGamble the people on the ground misinterepreting choosing an alternate LZ for fuel reasons, or not wanting to waste fuel circling because it would mean detouring to get fuel instead of just fueling at base?
Air ambulances should never be used for this type of transfer...
@tomriley5790 welcome to the world of not having an infinite number of ground ambulances in the barn.
@@kenbrown2808 One extra flight with the helicopter nearly pays for a full ambulance in the barn. Helicopters are insanely expensive to fly.
What surprises me when hearing about this, is that it doesn’t happen more often! Storms are everywhere, all the time! And not very predictable. Especially at adjacent airports… I think having to take 3 go-arounds due to do the impulse to take a shorter path on 2 of them really may have been the biggest problem.
Last year, on a flight from BWI to IAH, the pilot missed the approach and we had to be diverted to SAT. The weather never cleared up over IAH, and I ended up missing my connection to CUU. It was very frustrating because I saw the ground at IAH before the pilots climbed again and went on to SAT. It was even more frustrating because I was on my way to my brother's funeral. Talk about some rough emotions. But it's videos like these that make me understand that deviation from plans, while frustrating, are for our own safety. Thank you for these!
I’m sorry for your loss, but man with more context that gives me chills. Who knows what would’ve happened if the pilots pushed through.
Sorry for your loss...
Ironically, did you know that Singapore loves TLA's?
What's a TLA?
Well, 'TLA' is a TLA, Friend.
BWI is British Wisconsin, right?
IAH is Iowa Hampshire, right?
CUU is Sioux University...
SAT is... Ah... Forget it 😅
There’s some difference between vertical and lateral visibility. Just because you can see the ground doesn’t necessarily mean your forward visibility is good enough to land.
Sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss. That must have been really hard with all the crazy thoughts that could come in that situation.
Had a very similar situation a year or two ago. I was booked on a flight from Denver to OKC, with a brief layover in Dallas. We were delayed out of Denver due to weather over Dallas. When we finally left Denver, we circled DFW twice and then diverted to a small airport outside of Lubbock. We had to wait for refuel and a specialized nose-tow there before we could take off again. We eventually landed at DFW, more than seven hours late. I had missed my connection to OKC, but the desk agent didn't understand why I didn't want to rebook it, and instead just wanted to return to Denver. It took me three tries to get through to him that I had been trying to reach my grandmother in OKC before she passed away, and that she had died while we were in the air. I don't hold any resentment for the diversion, but it was such a punch in the gut to turn my phone back on in Dallas, and find out it was too late.
Takeaways from this incident. 1. Trust people to do their jobs. They are in the position they are in for a reason. 2. Captains should not believe that they have to do everything themselves. Learn to delegate tasks, or just stay in the lane of the role that you have chosen when taking off. 3. Make a plan and stick to it. 4. If you realize you're out of position, and will not be able to make a landing, go around early. There is no shame in not getting the plane down on the first attempt. There is plenty of shame in crashing one.
Maybe he was following his gut. Maybe he doing r everything on his own is what saved them
Points 3 &4 seems so contradictory though. How do you make a plan and stick to it but still know when to abandon your plan early. If they had stuck to the plan they would’ve still been circling over Changi Airport praying the weather would get better. It’s easier said than done, and I think the captain trusted his guts to do what he could.
@sohsaraaa Not contradictory, as they are not simultaneous actions. It means stick to your plans unless there is a valid need to change the plan. i.e. have discipline and do not impulsively deviate from the plan on a whim. There is a corollary to this principle: Do not obstinately proceed with a plan when indications are that you need a new plan. The Captain lingered on, hoping to land at Changi even when it was fairly clear that the weather may not improve in time and they needed to divert, accepting one more circuit in the hold, then another one, then bargaining for a 360° instead of a full circuit… while the big engines were gulping down the dwindling fuel to critical level.
The first officer had just a tad over 2000hrs...
What I think is that you could write some pretty amazing and suspenseful books around aviation. Your story telling gets me on a roller coaster of "Oh no, they're not going to make it," and "Oh, good, they're going to be alright." Just another 'plus' to your videos. Well done.
The one thing I remember from a flying lesson I took on a flight sim is a good landing starts with a good approach. I would imagine the reality in this situation was far more stressful.
Those approaches were terrifying! But, I could also completely understand /why/ the captain flew the way he did... stress makes you do crazy things...
Your excellence is unmatched, Petter. These videos are the best available. This one was a nail biter. Had they not nailed that last landing, this would have been an entirely different video.
Glad you enjoyed it! 💕💕
I thought it was gonna end like out of the 200 whatever people on board, 20 are dead and 5 in a house or something.
Watching your videos has enabled me to be a non - nervous passenger. The flight is probably my favourite part of my holidays.
Many of us, when we were kids, dreamed of being aviation pilots …This is an instructive material, performed by a real pilot ! Thanks Pilot mentour…
Still, by far, my favourite TH-cam channel 👍 As a nervous flyer myself, I've found the way you break down these incidents, and explain things from a pilot's perspective, incredibly helpful and reassuring. Thanks Petter, it's been a game-changer for me 😊
That’s awesome to hear! I’m actually thinking a lot of you guys when I make these videos. To hear that you find it helpful is really nice!
@@MentourPilotI live in a small rural area of the USA. I'm almost 40 years old and I've never been on a plane due to my terrible anxiety. However, your videos have definitely eased my worrying! ☺️ If it's financial feasible for me, I plan to fly and attend the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles! ❤️
@@FigureNasticsas Superman said "well i hope this incident hasn't put any of you off flying,statisticly speaking its still the safest way to travel".......how many people drive their cars every day and they never stop to think they could be in a crash and be killed or seriously injured despite the fact you stand a much higher chance of being involved in a car crash than you do of being involved in a plane crash.
@@FigureNastics I hope You get to have an awesome flight.
Just keep it to: as Superman said "well i hope this incident hasn't put any of you off flying, statistically speaking its still the safest way to travel".
Got into this channel through Mentour Now. These videos and animations are just tremendous ! Always fantastic graphics, and explained in a way that seems tailor made for me, a very ineterested, but decidedly amateur, aviation enthousiast with very limited knowledge. Although that knowledge is certainly LESS limited since watching this channel. Keep up the great videos, just a brilliant channel.
Good grief! As many times as you said "sadly, we'll never know", I was actually shocked when you said the plane touched down safely.
Yeah, they left the APU running which overwrote the CVR
@@MentourPilotthat's a convenient way to cover up a cock-up. Given all the questionable decisions made, I'll assume it was deliberate.
Yes; do most airlines have specific regulations around when pilots must save flight data? Esp. in the instance of go-arounds, and most particularly after a mayday call! Feels like their allowing an over-write here was pretty dodgy given severity of incident...? Couldn't help wondering if the airline's desire to protect their high corporate reputation is what allowed that action to go without penalty or reprimand in the final report (speculation only).
The plane never made it to the gates. It ran out of fuel while taxing the passengers were stuck 3 hrs in the plane with no electricity or ac. Maybe thats why
I genuinely love the structure of your videos, explaining the specific background of each topic in detail before even getting to the incident.
I always feel like an expert because you give us the info to anticipate the problem ourselves in each video. :)
You must be great at giving presentations!
Petter, your show is so good that it deserves to be on Netflix or a subscription based service. You are the reason behind this. I have no doubt that the show will continue to flourish. I’m happy we can keep you here on TH-cam and selfishly hope to keep you here for years to come as I can’t afford another membership! Lol!
One thing I reckon is this: The crew was very disciplined in not getting gettheritis, especially on the last go-around. They stayed with procedure and saved their airplane. (Although the CRM was not idea)
I do believe they had _some_ get-there-itis, in that they waited far too long trying to get into Singapore before finally diverting to Batam. If they had made that decision earlier, they would've had much more fuel to work with when they needed it.
The story telling quality just keeps getting better and better. I was in the edge of my seat.
I’d love to hear the story of United 173 that crashed in Portland in December of 1978.
Every single time Captain Petter says "And this is about to become very important soon!" always sends chills down my spine and my heart beat that much faster cause it means something bad is about to happen and it always kept me on the edge of my seat and nearer to the screen to focus more on the imminent danger that's about to occur! 😅
I've never had to divert as a fellow 738 pilot, and a captain since earlier this year. However, I lived this scenario as if I was on the left hand seat. Great commentary Petter. Thank you. Again if diversion is very likely, don't waste any valuable time/fuel. Just fly to your alternate or any airport suitable in the circumtances. Drink your tea and sleep happily ever after.
738?? What kind of aircraft is that ?
Must be some new kind of superjet I never heard of. Just spelling mistake otherwise you are absolutely right about safe way to fly 👍
@@jetsetter8541 A 738 is an abbreviation of a Boeing 737-800.
@@jetsetter8541 Yeah, that confused me, too. ☹
@ asokoniso: If what Edax says is true, may I respectfully suggest that you avoid using obscure abbreviations and jargon that are known only to industry insiders -- at least if you want your comments to be understood by more than a small handful of readers. 🙂
@@Milesco a quick google search of "738 aircraft" will tell you Edax is right. Also, this is an aviation focused channel so I don't see any issue with using aviation terminologies. Oh also, the aviation community is not small.
This was the most incredibly suspenseful story I have heard you tell. Absolutely heart-stopping. I am a sailor and know the feeling of being caught out by weather and unable to get anywhere safe and storm coming etc. But times ten for those guys, up in the air.
So we'll told as always, you are one of my YT stars.
The 3d graphic animations are really incredible. Thank you for having such a dedicated and talented team to work on the incredible production quality!
Petter, this one had me on the edge of my seat. As a layman and non-pilot, I was hanging on your every word in the re-telling of this story. You told it well, with plenty of explanations and detail. I can only say that I am glad the pilots were able to land that airliner safely. BTW, when you were using Belfast, UK in your graphics it seemed to me that there was something odd about the orientation of the city with the Irish Sea. Excellent video.
Hi Brian, Lough Neagh is a massive freshwater lake (largest lake in Ireland), just a few kms to the west of Belfast International Airport. I suspect you were mixing up Lough Neagh and the Irish Sea.
@@MrKingjjjI once defecated on the edge of Loch Neagh. I had Chinese takeaway about 6 hours earlier and by the time I reached the Loch with four friends, my poo was halfway out of my poophole and I just had to unzip and take a dump. And a massive dump it was, too. Moral of the story: never eat Chinese commie food if you are visiting a place with no nearby loos.
I remember when an Avianca was trying to land at JFK during a delay and the pilot did not make a mayday call just said he was low on fuel. It crashed into the Long Island Sound.
Yep, that’s what we DO NOT want. Hence the calls.
Avianca Flight 052 was a regularly scheduled flight from Bogotá, Colombia, to New York City, United States, via Medellín, Colombia, that crashed on January 25, 1990
Yes, the Avianca 052! This video also made me think about the charter flight Lamia 2933 that crashed near Medellín, Colombia, after running out of fuel. All but three members of a Brazilian football team died in that accident.
This is a classic example of getting led into a gradually deteriorating situation. It was caused by both an extreme deteriorating weather situation and a bit of “gethomeitis”. So glad it turned out ok.
Another fascinating video very well presented, thank you Petter and the team.
Or United Airlines Flight 173 that ran out of fuel and crashed in Portland while troubleshooting the landing gear.
I absolutely love this documentaries!! Can’t stop watching them, my heart rate goes up and I feel like I’m seating in between the pilots.
For me as an Indonesian avgeek, it's pretty much a stress situation in my opinion and i am a little bit imagine of what the pilots must have felt during the last few holdings with limited fuel. Unfortunately, i have never visited Batam Island and the airport. Fun Fact : Hang Nadim Airport was even certified for an Airbus A380 because the runway was long enough for any widebody such as the A380, 747, or 777. I think this is an excellent video. Well done👍, sir
Mampir lah ke Batam 💁♂️
Fantastic video, one of the best on this channel. True, there hasn't been a lot of media coverage. Still shows that the captain was very experienced, to be able to do the quick turn and visual landing in the end
Let's all make sure that we understand how brave and professional these pilots are !!
They were dealing with such an emergency with cold blood and ice nerves!!!
Really Bravo !
Sir, You're one of my favorite guys. This was a fantastic story. I'm not a pilot and can't judge but The captain needed to include his crew more to help him and at one point he was 130 ft over a runway and I imagine might have set down, unless he couldn't see it. I'm just very thankful they had a miraculously safe landing, and may all of yours be safe too.
My heartrate was throughthe roof with this one
So incredibly scary situation.
And ik most of your comments are praising you for the amazing vosuals but here i am yet another one praising for your amazing visuals. Seriously props to you guys
Yeah! It’s a nail-biter for sure
@@MentourPilot It's no wonder so many allied WW2 bombers ended up in the North Sea out of fuel. Researched an Halifax for a friend - his uncle radio/gunner Sergeant ended up in the North Sea all lost.
Can you imagine how spellbinding pilot announcements would be with this guy?? Thanks for all your efforts. xCop@@MentourPilot
Your comment towards the end of the video you commented on how we need to avoid the tendency to start rushing when feeling a sense of urgency. I then thought of an old saying, "haste makes waste."
Another excellent video.
Just flew on Singapore Airlines from Japan to Italy and will fly again on my way back and one of my favorite youtubers just uploaded a video about the airline what a coincidence!
That was a nail-biting story. I thought that the vast experience of the captain would count more than it seemed to.
Agree. His over 10,000 hours should have prompted him to decide on his course of action much earlier than he did and stick to it, instead of risking running out of fuel. His 3 aborted landings shows incompetence, IMO.
I love how thorough you are with your explanations.
3rd go-around was chilling AF... I'm glad they landed safely. 1st, they were lucky that storm clouds moved away and 2nd, great airmanship of pilot to land safely from very very unstabilized approach. I always love happy endings in this playlist xD
I've always had immense respect and awe of pilots, there are so many things to consider even when flying in normal weather let alone unstable conditions. I've been watching your videos for a year now and I always love how in-depth you get when getting into the mechanics of flying, it makes it easy to understand for those of us who aren't in the aviation industry. Brilliant video as always, much respect to the whole team who puts their time into making these!
I was very anxious specially at the end wondering if they made it or not 🫣🫣🫣 great video. God bless all pilots, passengers, aircraft and ATC.
I’m not a pilot, but this level of critically low fuel made even me break out in a cold sweat! Thank you for the excellent report, and congratulations to the crew for getting this aircraft on the ground!
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I agree that fuel was low but let's say they did not have fuel at all couldn't the pilots just initiate a water landing ? Just curious because batam is surrounded by water.
@@bharat-dz9wi Yeah, something like the landing on the Hudson River in New York. There was also a flight in Scandinavia or Europe, where the aircraft ran out of fuel and made a belly landing, landing gear up, in a snow-covered field in a forest in the middle of nowhere. That was a heart-stopping story. Fortunately, all were saved. Don't know if it's been featured on Mentour.
The captain should have made a firm decision earlier and stuck to it, instead of waiting for clearance which kept getting delayed and then making risky decisions. They were saved by the skin of his teeth.
@@istudios225 Totally agree.
Nice! My first comment in this channel. I'm sailor and sailed much more than 15 000 miles.
What I see there and from my experience, it's some time better to take in account some extra miles to safe approach and give electronics time, if you have that kind possibility. Human factor will always to fail. Does not matter how experience you have. Especially when you are experienced. Experience gives confidence that you need more cautious. It's more scary when you think how it's better and you relay on this experience cushion, which can blow in any second.
This time they were lucky. Sometimes I give new sailors opportunity and they do better as me, as I looked from my experience point.
That's a really interesting point you make! We usually tend to make the assumption "Greater experience = More skills = Safer", but from my observations when working in safety-related roles, sometimes the equation is actually "More experience = Taking the same shortcuts many times = Maybe getting a bit too confident?"
And with professions where technology & regulation are constantly changing, newer trainees may actually be more up on the latest developments. But in either case, a lot of it still always comes down to personality and to CRM (cooperation & communication between colleagues)...
Man the stress of flying around that much passengers and limited time in rough weather, man that's why I'm not a pilot, the stress that comes with it all where it's your life on the line is just mind blowing. Prayers for all pilots and crew
I completely lack knowledge on mechanics of airplanes and English is not my first language, which makes it difficult for me to understand a lot of technical details, yet the clarity of MP's explanations, the addition of many visuals and English subtitles make it way easier for me to digest necessary information. I’m glad I can enjoy this great channel, greetings from Poland. :>
I also really appreciate how respectful MP is in his storytelling and how his perspective as a pilot enriches these videos.
Channel gold. Not long ago I came here, explanations of issues, analysis, animation, everything is great to watch
I am so happy you think so!
Greetings from the Republic of Bulgaria Petter. I appreciate the fantastic job you are doing and still struggle to figure out how you find time to do all this in such a professional manner. Wish all the best to you, your family and your team behind these awesome series.
It stroked my heart as I faced similar situation (from thinking point of view) in my ultralight having an imminent engine failure & fire indication after a sunset with poor visibility near my destination airport (I only have 100hours in total).
I stayed too close to the runway and ending up too long and going around twice! Then I took 10-20seconds in the air to breathe so my brain could restart and only then I landed. Faulty instruments and freezed brain almost made me land into a fence behind the runway.
Normally I would land on a landing strip with 1/3 of the length without any problem, but the !! stress really kills your brain beyond your imagination !!
Valuable lesson for me, so I always land before sunset since then and hopefully this has shorten my possible startle/surprise effect.
Thank you very much for sharing this Experience! - Indeed! The same Failure happened here (as one of a couple of Errors), only with a much larger Aircraft and much more People on Board!
Another great video Petter! As I am sure others have commented, I really like the amount of technical detail you include in your reporting (eg fuel calculations, the workings of the ILS, rules regarding communications with ATC etc). I don't work in the industry, but I am fascinated with airline operations. All to often, when I watch other documentaries on these types of incidents, a lot of the technical info tends to be watered down or omitted entirely. However, in your videos, you always seem to strike a perfect balance in how you carefully and methodically walk us through the information we need to know in order to help us understand what has occurred.
Agree. Its the balance in deductive and inductive reasoning coupled with observation of known flight information that makes such interesting case studies.
I was just a single engine private pilot decades ago, so I’m learning so many new things that I often bounce off an A320 friend (he watches your channel).
A big takeaway: the captain got tunnel vision-so worried and invested that he forgot to delegate anything to the copilot; it just became worse and worse. Something that could happen to anyone. Tough to pry me from controlling everything in this case. I’d probably snarl at my copilot.
Great true story telling-riveting stuff. Thanks!
Just accidentally watched this again in full. Seems like a new story even though the same. One more comment: if I didn’t have to fly the next day, I’d be drinking heavily that night
These videos always provide massive amounts of information that the average layman can understand. So much so that if I was to train to be a pilot, this is what I expect to happen.
I walk into flying school. They ask, "do you have any flying experience?"
"I watch Mentour Pilot"
"Congratulations. Here's your license."
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True, he is very good at explaining everything.
The pilot might be criticised for not diverting earlier, but full marks to him for staying cool in what must have been a terribly scary situation.
Is there evidence that the pilot stayed cool? The voice tape has been "lost" as I understand things and my suspicious mind tends to wonder what was on it that someone didn't want to gain a wider audience.
He got the aircraft down, but a certain amount of luck was involved. Perhaps he should be censored for poor CRM, taking on too much, and not communicating properly?
@@onastick2411 * censured 😊
@@Milesco lol, I take your point.
I think mistakes were made, but easy for me to say sitting at home rather than being in a situation like that.
I'm glad to see your success in subs! I used to show your videos regularly to my A&P students and love the way you break down the causes of problems!
Really nailed the front entrance of terminal 3 at Heathrow! Great video.
It's amazing how, even with a plane capable of flying at over 500mph, getting in a hurry is usually the biggest threat to landing safely.
I thought were gonna say that _It's amazing that anything flying at 500mph could be so late!_
@@eugeniustheodidactus8890 *lmao*
Do things fast, but accurately. Rushing only makes it worse.
I am hooked on this channel. 2 days ago I randomly clicked on it when it was a recommendation for me on my TV. Immediately I was in deep, the quality, the narration, the explanation, all top notch. I have already told 7 people at my work about this channel and how awesome the content is. Many of these incidents I am unaware of and I legit am at the edge of my seat as the story unfolds. Sometimes I cannot wait and have to Google what happened. One thing I always do is Google the image of pilots so I can relate / visualise better. I do understand why Peter doesn’t show them due to privacy and respect for the pilots. Keep doing this, I have learned so much about aviation and next time I am in the plane as a passenger, I will pay special attention to what the pilot is announcing.
As a Singaporean, I was not expecting this at all, Singapore Airlines has a stellar reputation as one of the safest and most highly rated airlines in the world
In a way this incident shows where that reputation comes from: even at critical fuel, the captain had the discipline to go around rather than try to force a landing from an unstable approach. If he hadn’t, this would have been a crash investigation.
The safest and most highly rated are still challenged by nature's worst.
but we must always know to not turn complacment
they made it didn't they?
@@e.a.p3174 made it. but this is really a near-miss.
👏👏👏👏👏👏 for Petter's storytelling abilities, you actually got me emotionally invested and holding my chest until the plane landed safely!
I once took a BA flight from London Heathrow to Miami, which departed at about 10 am. I and my then wife left home at the same time - I on my way to the airport and she on her way to work. Everything was fine until the plane arrived near Miami, when the captain announced that security had closed the airport because President Clinton was there, so we'd have to wait till he left. After being stuck in a holding pattern for ages, he came back on the intercom and announced that the plane was running low on fuel, so we had to divert to Orlando. Big groan from all on board. Anyway, we eventually landed in Orlando during a massive storm. After refuelling, we were ready to depart, but according to the captain, the storm was too heavy for the 747 to take off, so we had to wait. After another delay, we eventually got going. On reaching Miami, the captain was back on the intercom to say that the storm we experienced at Orlando had now reached Miami and we couldn't land, so we were again put into another holding pattern. After what seemed like ages, a very apologetic captain was back on the intercom to explain that the storm hadn't lessened and since we were getting low on fuel again we were now returning to Orlando a second time. Even bigger groan from the passengers. So, back to Orlando we went for a second time.
But of course, we weren't the only jumbo affected and Orlando was overwhelmed. They kept us on the plane for a further 7 hours, while they dealt with the unexpected flood of arrivals. By this time all food and drink on board was long gone and the toilets were overflowing. Fortunately, I was in business class, which was bad enough, but cattle class must have been truly awful. There was one final announcement from the captain to say that the crew had exhausted their allowed flying hours, so rather than fly back to Miami, we would be put up in hotels for the night and then taken by bus the next morning to Miami.
Eventually, busses were hired and I reached a hotel:
"Welcome to sunny Orlando. Would you like a smoking or non-smoking room?"
"Err, non-smoking."
"Would you like a balcony or a sea view?"
"Err, What? Look, I don't care, just get me a bed - any bed will do."
"There you are Sir, have a nice day."
"Yeah, right."
When I finally reached my room, I rang my then wife, who by now was at work on the FOLLOWING day. The journey had taken over 24 hours so far and we weren't even there yet. We were later taken by bus to Miami, but of course, I missed half the conference that I was supposed to attend. Everywhere was waterlogged since they had had over 29 inches of rain in 24 hours!