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  • Prepare for a comparison between the new 2024 ND3 Miata and Subaru BRZ tS. We discussed the changes, engineering, and set lap times on our spec Bridgestone Potenza Sports. This last-generation affordable sports car is still desirable. Which would you choose: Civic Type R, GR Corolla, Nissan Z, Ford Mustang, Golf R, or Elantra N?
    #cars #engineering #technology
    Tires Used:
    www.bridgestonetire.com/tire/...
    Ultima Race Works
    www.urwautomotive.com/
    Index:
    00:00 Intro
    01:03 Interior and Exterior BRZ
    02:25 Interior and Exterior ND3
    04:18 Mechanical Impressions BRZ
    07:27 Mechanical Impressions ND3
    09:49 Engineering Changes ND3 Miata with Dave Coleman
    16:04 ND3 Miata Continued
    18:51 Driving Impressions ND3 Miata
    24:06 Driving Impressions BRZ
    27:27 Laptime Discussion BRZ and ND3
    28:32 Laptimes and Leaderboard
    31:52 Final Thoughts
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  • @felineflammenwerfer8375
    @felineflammenwerfer8375 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +883

    We are lucky to still be able to purchase cheap light rwd 2 door cars. Thank you Mazda, Toyota, and Subaru.

    • @eyecontrol4900
      @eyecontrol4900 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +66

      And still with a manual gearbox!

    • @Kabodanki
      @Kabodanki 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The EU : let me find a way to kill your joy. In france for the automatic 2.0l it will 10k€ of ecological taxe. We are saving the world

    • @nickzarnetske9994
      @nickzarnetske9994 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +90

      Cheap is debatable, but I get what you're saying.

    • @glareicebutts1423
      @glareicebutts1423 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@nickzarnetske9994cheap isn’t debatable, it’s a flat out lie

    • @sdlausen1
      @sdlausen1 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      Cheap?

  • @jdarms27
    @jdarms27 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +355

    Lol. Dave Coleman talking from the infotainment screen was a nice touch.

    • @you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69
      @you_can_fuck_your_own_ass_69 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Like SCC magazine dave coleman?

    • @adamholschuh6169
      @adamholschuh6169 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      I could listen to Dave Coleman geek out about the Miata for ages.

    • @bearclaw5115
      @bearclaw5115 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Yeah that was cool! It's like Dave consultations come with every Miata purchase!

  • @dennisrainville1809
    @dennisrainville1809 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +114

    I got my ND3 club a couple of months ago. I'm finding myself surprised that I don't care at all what tracks faster or what else is out there. This is as fun as driving gets, at any price.

    • @TrojanRabbit521
      @TrojanRabbit521 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@dennisrainville1809 people forget the pleasure of sub 3000 lbs car. They are nimble & balanced plus you learn and work with the car to maintain speed. All the sensations are transmitted vs numbed. We can even floor the car and enjoy accelerating for more than 3 seconds. I traded an Alfa Romeo Ti for BRZ. I needed room for subwoofer but the ND2 or 3 is better sports car.

    • @dougheath3707
      @dougheath3707 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      100%

  • @dammyo6010
    @dammyo6010 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +442

    Jack B58'ed too close to the sun.

    • @user-su1kp7nh7c
      @user-su1kp7nh7c 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      He fell from a palm tree whilst looking for the best spanish bananas.

  • @dawnpoint
    @dawnpoint 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +64

    Mazda's transparency and rationale of engineering are why I've chosen the MX5 above all my other dream cars. Never mind the giggle-inducing way it drives.

    • @TheOhsemix
      @TheOhsemix 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Theirs also almost no cars in that price range with fuel economy, driving experience, and aftermarket support at that level. Its basically the ultimate enthusiast car.

    • @Mushroomancer
      @Mushroomancer 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I’d also like to add that the Miata community is one of the most kind communities to be a part of. Everyone is super helpful, you’ll rarely find anyone with a big ego or wanting to show off. Overall a good bunch of folks.

  • @paulpellico3797
    @paulpellico3797 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +241

    basically, for me, the miata is my safe motorcycle experience.
    in the olden days, when i wasn't aware of my mortality, i used to ride and slide on my 350 honda.
    but the last ripped skinned leg made me give this trill up.

    • @ADUSN
      @ADUSN 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      Exactly. I love bikes and had one when I was overseas. Miata is the closest you can get while having crumple zones and air bags.

    • @rtmpgt
      @rtmpgt 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      Literally buying a miata next year because my partner and my family would much rather see me on four wheels than two, and some bigger bikes already hit the prices of a base miata, may as well.

    • @silv3rArrow
      @silv3rArrow 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I mean yes, but a bike at 1/3 of the price outperform the car.
      It’s a different experience

    • @pfunkle
      @pfunkle 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Same boat. Got hit by a car a few years ago, and my family begged me to stop riding. I first got a Honda Fit, which was my intro to manual, and now I've got an NB Miata. My motorcycle passion is slowly turning into driving passion in this thing!

    • @user-dr4wl3kk7i
      @user-dr4wl3kk7i 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      My father also told just like that, when he drove my MX5. Feels like safe motorcycle

  • @Anamnesis
    @Anamnesis 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

    I don’t even care how much power my ND has. I got it because the top goes down in three seconds with just one hand. 😎

    • @Chocofur
      @Chocofur 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      same here

    • @nathansmith6914
      @nathansmith6914 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Like a boob tube. 🙂

    • @bearclaw5115
      @bearclaw5115 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      That top is so slick as long as you have some shoulder mobility.

  • @kevinclapson
    @kevinclapson 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Basically the most accessible track toy vs the most practical enthusiast car. Great video as always.

    • @bearclaw5115
      @bearclaw5115 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Best stated comment here.

  • @tailsneon556
    @tailsneon556 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +112

    As someone who has a 2019 ND2 RF Club and a 2024 ND3 RF Club on factory order this video hits home at the perfect time.

    • @michaelfont7239
      @michaelfont7239 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Congrats!!

    • @JustinHEMI05
      @JustinHEMI05 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I also ordered a 24 ND3 RF Club. Absolutely love it (except for going back in at 800 miles for cracked AC pipe).

    • @silv3rArrow
      @silv3rArrow 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@tailsneon556 that’s epic!

    • @MajorAddiction
      @MajorAddiction 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@JustinHEMI05 they still have the cracked AC charge pipe issue on the newer ones? ah man.

  • @RinIwata-br1vz
    @RinIwata-br1vz 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +162

    I'm buying the RF Miata, the car will live outside so that's why I'm choosing the RF over the soft top. Thank you savagegeeese for helping me decide!!! Love you guys!

    • @grazamataz
      @grazamataz 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      You'll love it. I had a 2019 RF and I sold it last year due to family changes. I love the RF. The look, the security of the hard top, all of it. I really miss it! Saving for another one now.

    • @VictorPitstop
      @VictorPitstop 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      You won’t regret it!

    • @VictorPitstop
      @VictorPitstop 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@grazamatazI’m on RF #2 now. Had an ND1 RF then went to M2 Comp then right back to ND2 RF!

    • @tinhinnh
      @tinhinnh 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      but soft top looks better imo

    • @VictorPitstop
      @VictorPitstop 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@tinhinnh it’s great to have opinions!

  • @karltaht2370
    @karltaht2370 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +77

    I love the technical details from Mazda. They really clearly know what they are trying to build for and find ways to achieve that within a limited budget.

    • @kc510
      @kc510 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      I love how car companies much bigger than Mazda are like “we can’t afford to develop a low volume sports car.” Meanwhile, Mazda is giving us this special thing on budget.

    • @rickygforce4217
      @rickygforce4217 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@kc510 tbh I think part of why Mazda has been putting out great products is that they have nailed working around a tighter budget and scope vs the bigger brands.
      “Limitations breed creativity” and all that.

    • @funkyfurballs1078
      @funkyfurballs1078 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And it's a better looking car!

  • @sapphireracing
    @sapphireracing 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    Big thank you to Dave Coleman for being so transparent and clear on the chassis engineering changes for the ND3.

  • @anAmishGuy
    @anAmishGuy 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +352

    I agree with Mark. These cars are nice enough, but c'mon, it's 2024. Where's the track comparison of the true drivers' cars, the $100,000, 6000-lb crossover EVs?

    • @3ducs
      @3ducs 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +63

      I'm with you on that! The world needs yet more 800 HP 6,000 pound monsters! I mean, sure, the 104,000 miles on my 2016 Miata notwithstanding, what I've really wanted for all those years is a vehicle that weighs three times as much and shreds tires in a few thousand miles. Get out of my way peasants!

    • @Courtesyflush52
      @Courtesyflush52 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      Yes I also want to see which car is preferred for plowing through a school zone

    • @DMSparky
      @DMSparky 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      @@Courtesyflush52one that has specific school zone terrain modes ideally…

    • @jlemons01
      @jlemons01 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@Courtesyflush52 I think we all know it's the Ford Mustang GT.

    • @BananaTwazzler
      @BananaTwazzler 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      They are in their element… when leaving school zones and coffee meet ups.

  • @svgPhoenix
    @svgPhoenix 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    I love the creative solution to what I assume was horrible webcam resolution in the interview segment

  • @GrandPotatoe
    @GrandPotatoe 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    That subtle "running in the 90s" song playing in the car is a nice touch.

    • @hangli8629
      @hangli8629 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Initial D sound track!

  • @JHONNYR98
    @JHONNYR98 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

    Sweet, a break from the mediocre crossovers. Love all the reviews regardless

  • @QLPJosh
    @QLPJosh 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Some days start not so great. Today is not one of those days.

  • @QLPJosh
    @QLPJosh 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    When I think STI, the first thing we think of is the STI start button and gauge cover. Those things are synonymous with the STI brand, and my 4 stacks are sitting idle in my account ready to pounce at any moment.

    • @andycalifornia426
      @andycalifornia426 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah, man, a badge in a DIGITAL gauge cluster is what I really want.

  • @markobrien3278
    @markobrien3278 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Always great to hear from Dave Coleman, who is so forthcoming on Mazda’s thought process. Well done, Mark and Jack, from an NC1 Sport owner (2006).

    • @tonysterbenc
      @tonysterbenc 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Coleman might be the most effective PR guy right now working for any automaker that sells in the US.

  • @JustinHEMI05
    @JustinHEMI05 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    I had a 2023 M2 (among other cars). It was fat, powerful, isolated. I could not reach the limit on the roads I drive, safely or legally, and I don't track. I now have a 2024 ND3 Miata. It's everything I was looking for in a twisty road car. Long Live Miata!

    • @jamievidd775
      @jamievidd775 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nice depreciation hit on the M2

    • @JustinHEMI05
      @JustinHEMI05 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jamievidd775 lol k.

    • @DKarGarage
      @DKarGarage 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm getting rid of my c63 amg 507 for a gr86 trueno

  • @JakDexx
    @JakDexx 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I’ve always loved and appreciated how much dedication you guys take to learning - showcasing - and sharing everything about cars. Along with harping on the need for attainable sports cars like these two vehicles. Thanks for what you do

  • @patricklinkous
    @patricklinkous 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +66

    🎶 I know who I want to take me home 🎶
    Bought a BRZ last year, love it to death. If I didn't need fold-down rear seats, I'd have a soft-top ND. Both such amazing cars.

    • @colinbowman8816
      @colinbowman8816 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Tough choice. But you win either way!

    • @Gurka84
      @Gurka84 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I’m also a future BRZ limited owner. I think every BRZ/86 owners deep down would rather have an ND Miata if practicality was no issue, it’s more pure, less weight, more fun period.

    • @patricklinkous
      @patricklinkous 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@Gurka84 You might be right, at least a good chunk of us. I previously had an NB Miata and a 986 Boxster. Top down on a beautiful back road is hard to beat.

    • @colinbowman8816
      @colinbowman8816 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@patricklinkous fastback coupes are the stiff, efficient aerodynamically and good looking choice. I'm kind of recluctant to admit it, but you're right; Open top is way more fun on a good road. And fun is kind of the whole point.

    • @patricklinkous
      @patricklinkous 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@colinbowman8816 As you said earlier, you win either way. Both have their advantages and I'm thrilled with my BRZ.

  • @Pengajim
    @Pengajim 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Every day is better with Dave Coleman. Long live the Dave Point.

  • @Jtjustintimberlake
    @Jtjustintimberlake 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    I own a 30th anniversary convertible. It is the best car. I get more compliments on it than a lot of other cars on the road. It always puts a smile on my face

    • @bearclaw5115
      @bearclaw5115 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That's a sweet car.

  • @BernsteinOmega
    @BernsteinOmega 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Dave Coleman!??! THE Dave Coleman who got me down the Nissan S-chassis rabbit hole almost 20-years ago!?! I won't be convinced to get a Miata, but I'm glad to see he's still tweaking imports.

  • @JacobHall1601
    @JacobHall1601 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Picking up my ND3 MX5 in 2 weeks. Cannot wait!!!.

  • @Viridis_k
    @Viridis_k 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    The mx5 has transcended Mazda, now is basically a Lotus

    • @otfox
      @otfox 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Except Lotus's are 800lbs heavier than Miatas

    • @raymondsnow7745
      @raymondsnow7745 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The original Lotus Elan was clearly the influence for the MX-5

  • @GetOffMyLog
    @GetOffMyLog 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    God i love the spec tire comparisons! Thanks again bridgestone!

  • @rhollyday
    @rhollyday 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Best car channel on utoob.
    Thanks for giving the Miata the respect it deserves.
    Did Subaru ever fix the oil starvation problem?

  • @jamescannone1425
    @jamescannone1425 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    i adore my ND3 st so far :) 2500 miles in the last 6 weeks!

  • @pvtcmyers87
    @pvtcmyers87 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    As a former owner of an ND miata thank you for keeping the love of these types of cars alive. It's highly appreciated.

  • @KZcheese
    @KZcheese 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Love my ND2 as my only car, although I’m lucky to have friends and family who can help out if I need more space. I like the GR86 but the Miata feels so much more special to me.

  • @JamesOrtonVideo
    @JamesOrtonVideo 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video, information, and graphics you used, and of course getting to hear more of Dave Coleman! thanks guys!!

  • @chrischadbourne9150
    @chrischadbourne9150 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A superb video. It's hard to believe that so much information could be conveyed in 35 minutes. Having two separate interviews added to the breadth of coverage, without compromising your goal to deep dive into the latest version of each car.
    Is there such a thing as elevating two Facebook motor heads to the status of national treasures? You're on my shortlist... heck, you ARE my shortlist.
    Thank you!

  • @juvanblunt1028
    @juvanblunt1028 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video. Love the interview with the engineer, the ‘in the shop’ deep dives, and lap times. Your channel is second to none.

  • @arod997
    @arod997 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Love my ND2 RF. Totally agree it needed new springs and shocks, but that took a weekend in my garage to install and now I’m having a blast on track and backroads.

  • @johnybigarms
    @johnybigarms 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Quality watch, you really are as good as it gets without being mainstream television, thank you for your efforts.

  • @barrydraper
    @barrydraper 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Great comparison review guys!!! I wouldn't want either as a daily driver, but with that being said, as a 2nd car, I'm taking the Mazda (convertible) every day. Most Miatas seem to last for well over 2 decades. Extremely well designed & built. Just my preference.

  • @hillbillysportsman5818
    @hillbillysportsman5818 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thank you for the Miata video about all the generations!

  • @Bmontepeque11
    @Bmontepeque11 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    These are two of the best cars ever made, because they deliver SO MUCH for a normal car price :)
    I would only ever take the GR 86, but both of these are wonderful and I am so glad they exist.

  • @mrrakalanov
    @mrrakalanov 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You perfectly convey the passion for cars with a sauce of maturity and unusual humor. You are the best car content I have seen in years. With love from Russia

  • @axelfiraxa
    @axelfiraxa 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    Some time after your "already a future classic" Mazda video, I went ahead and put down a deposit on an ND3 Miata. That was in February. 3 weeks ago I took ownership of the car, have been railing it like my motorcycles, have been in and out of drive throughs and errands and it has been a great experience, everything I enjoy about motorcycles but now with an actual Isofix RECARO seat that I can take my favorite child with.
    I had tested the BRZ in March, and it is a good car, but I didnt find the BRZ more practical than the MX5 is fun.
    If the second row seats would have had 2 extra inches of legroom I may have been convinced to get that, but it doesnt, my kids would not fit behind me so why bother with the weight

    • @svgPhoenix
      @svgPhoenix 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      "favorite child" 😂 love that you don't deny it

    • @axelfiraxa
      @axelfiraxa 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@svgPhoenix my heart is a two seater :))

    • @jameschan5128
      @jameschan5128 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      just be aware to not rail third or fourth gear too hard or you will need to replace two transmissions in a year like me :) , FYI mine is a 2023, idk why the trans is still so fragile

    • @axelfiraxa
      @axelfiraxa 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jameschan5128 thanks for the tip! I do try to pay attention with the shifts but my rev matching is shit right now.
      On a transmission related note: i changed into 2nd instead of 4th from 6th twice on my first trip outside of town. It seems i pulled the knob too hard in my direction. I will definitely ruin it if that keeps happening.
      Do you track your car?

    • @dougheath3707
      @dougheath3707 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Great points

  • @damoose4229
    @damoose4229 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Love the video. I like seeing the high end cars, but realistically - 99% of the audience will never experience one. Genuinely find myself more inclined to watch more realistic reviews and comparisons of cars the general public might actually be able to attain. Great work guys, keep it up!

    • @demwillams8898
      @demwillams8898 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Agreed. At this point even regular cars are pretty much unobtainable so I have even less desire to watch video after video of high end vehicles. Savage Geese and Throttle House are my go to creators. But I do find myself watching less and less as the days go on.

    • @Save_the_Stick_Shifts
      @Save_the_Stick_Shifts 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@demwillams8898same. I can't get excited over the latest 250k Porsche or 150k Vette. Unobtanium for most of us.

    • @diallo1347
      @diallo1347 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I only watch when they have on normal, affordable, accessible cars. Waste of time otherwise imo to learn about something I'll never see or drive

  • @timmytenders8536
    @timmytenders8536 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Been a while since I've watched one of your videos. I'm just here for the channel engagement.

  • @anotheran
    @anotheran 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The lap speed breakdown was really useful

  • @DonLee1980
    @DonLee1980 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    those undercar shots are amazing. gives you insight to how much work, experience and design has been done to make such a car that just works and drives well

  • @FreshYoungDude
    @FreshYoungDude 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Really appreciate the effort you guys put into these videos. And Jacks Gorilla foot throttle applications.

  • @JP-hb4mv
    @JP-hb4mv 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video guys, really well done

  • @devnull128
    @devnull128 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +87

    I’m all in for that ND3 because I don’t get my hair frosted

    • @larrylampshade1734
      @larrylampshade1734 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      “I like the Miata because I’m not totally not gay” my how times have changed

    • @ouch9326
      @ouch9326 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@larrylampshade1734 how many people actually experince much greater rate of escaping danger with more power? id say its pretty rare even among sports car drivers at the track

    • @tvrbob8681
      @tvrbob8681 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

      You're all for the ND3 because you frost others' hair for a living.

    • @devnull128
      @devnull128 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@tvrbob8681 - that did genuinely make me laugh. Well done

    • @J.W.W.
      @J.W.W. 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@tvrbob8681best comment 👊🏻

  • @wny9521
    @wny9521 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I use my 2023 Miata everyday and storage is not an issue. There is space on the side of seats on the floor that act as cubbies. The new 2024 infotainment screen looks real nice.

  • @avanreijn
    @avanreijn 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I always love looking at the radio console and see what songs are select in the shots and they are always fun and on point. :o)

  • @2006gtobob
    @2006gtobob 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I LOVED my 2001 six-speed Miata. It was slow-ish, 2nd slowest car I've ever owned, but man, it was right up there with my CRX Si back in the day as far as being fun! I bought it for my wife to learn how to drive a manual, she learned, then she felt "unsafe" in it because it's so small, so I took it over. Unfortunately, it sat in the garage a lot as we both needed more car for day to day stuff, and the Miata was a 5th car. I sold it after it sat for nearly 4 years at our Az home in 2023 with only 72,000 on the clock. It went to an enthusiast who knew every nut and bolt and he didn't flinch at our price. I've kept in contact with him, and he loves it.
    Great review, guys. I am so glad you two have dedicated your lives to this and are so focused on having fun!

  • @USMCbrantley
    @USMCbrantley 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Lmao at the Initial D sound track that pop up during the Miata intro

  • @jerrybarrax5618
    @jerrybarrax5618 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the Mazda engineer video framed in the Mazda infotainment screen! Brilliant! :-)

  • @Tsaki1425
    @Tsaki1425 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I have a 2017 MX5 RF with some modifications. The driver-centric design and overall fun-to-drive aspect is what guided me to trade in my motorcycle and coupe. I was never going to max out the speed on the motorcycle and street driving the MX-5 is a joy. I do not need the top speed of a 'vette or Porche but enjoy cornering and acceleration (like I did with the bike) of the RF. A quick recovery to Jack and keep up the content - I enjoy your work.

    • @dielaughing73
      @dielaughing73 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No-one at my local track looks down on my Miata. I'm surrounded by guys who:
      - Turbo'd a Miata without upgrading the brakes or tyres and went straight into the gravel trap
      - Juiced 500hp out of a GTI but gets fuel starvation going up the hill
      - Modified an already powerful 6cyl car and now can't complete three laps without overheating NOR drive it on the street any more
      - Has to alternate hot laps and cooldown laps in his modified Evo
      and so on, and I'm just out there ripping every session with basic handling upgrades and minimal running costs. I think they're mostly jealous.

  • @Nanogrip
    @Nanogrip 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I remember Dave Colman in his days in Sport Compact Car Magazine, there's even a term he coined called the Dave Point in which the point where the steering axis hits the ground. One of my most favorite articles was a Nissan Sentra SE-R from a fan was stripped with parts cut out to make it as fast and light as possible. Another one is a dual twin turbo engine Hyundai Tiburon where it made the most confusing burnout. Front engine in reverse while the rear engine is drive. Incredible quarter mile time with barely a tire chirp out of it.. Awesome times back in the early 2000s!

  • @gadeane287
    @gadeane287 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    You guys are the best in the business. Masterful comparison of the technical and emotional driving experiences of these two cars.

  • @revmatchtv
    @revmatchtv 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Really great video guys!

  • @richfixescars
    @richfixescars 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    These are great cars, thsnks for reviewing them.

  • @markhyman4013
    @markhyman4013 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bought an ND3 Club softtop last weekend and it's lived up to the Miata reputation. And my last fun car was an Ariel Atom spec racer! Can't wait to finish breaking in the Miata and taking it on track.

  • @NoHoHank
    @NoHoHank 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Can’t go wrong with either, both excel in the corners and are great platforms to improve driving on the tracks

  • @MiataND3
    @MiataND3 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +58

    I sold my GR86 for ND3 and I can't be happier!
    No rev hang, better gearbox and steering feel, no blowing the engine, better sound, less weight, topdown fun, and much better gas mileage!👍🏻

    • @milesfathi
      @milesfathi 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      I sold the GR86 for the same reasons you mentioned. I got a Supra but want to put a ND3 next to it for pure garage perfection.

    • @MiataND3
      @MiataND3 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      @@milesfathi yeaaah the Miata it's the most raw new car (the new S2K with air intake and exhaust)😎👌🏻

    • @ruturaj47
      @ruturaj47 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      No blowing engine but might blow transmission 😂 (both issues are overblown).

    • @moldyrefrigerator
      @moldyrefrigerator 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      And I would never sell my 2023 BRZ for a Miata lol

    • @MiataND3
      @MiataND3 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@moldyrefrigerator both are the best Sport RWD cars! The twins are more track and practical orientated, the Miata more back roads/canyon's and feeling the enviroment🌳🏝️☀️ 😎

  • @nwbasson
    @nwbasson 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for making these comparisons. Way more value to the average car enthusiast viewer than a 6 figure luxury barge vid.

  • @allthepizzainmybelly1302
    @allthepizzainmybelly1302 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    SG deserves waaaaaaay more subs

  • @MR3DDev
    @MR3DDev 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I had the GR86 (same car basically) lots of fun and it looks better than more expensive sportscars.

    • @Barbwire710
      @Barbwire710 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ah, yes, the GTR-86…my favorite.

    • @MR3DDev
      @MR3DDev 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Barbwire710 LMAO I just corrected that

    • @1Solace
      @1Solace 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It does look pretty nice

  • @chucku.farley616
    @chucku.farley616 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And this kind of comparison is what I was asking for... Fun.. affordable, reachable cars for the masses.. Well done guys.. Now I just want to play with Jack's hefty fun bags !

  • @jenosmurf9922
    @jenosmurf9922 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    2:52 love the running in the 90's on the little screen

  • @arcangelobarone
    @arcangelobarone 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The ND Miata it's a masterpiece.. such an icon already.. i love this car and I love the small but effective improvements they made on this ND3 (I own an ND2), except for the fake air vents in the front bumper instead of that 1st and 2nd gen cute DRL. Cheers

  • @WRL218
    @WRL218 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +75

    Kudos to Subaru, a small manufacturer compared to the Japanese giants, for making the BRZ tS for people who love to drive and track their cars.

    • @TCPUDPATM
      @TCPUDPATM 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      Mazda is small too…

    • @Accost2u
      @Accost2u 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      And both are parented by Toyota. The grand daddy of big car companies lol

    • @aamgdp
      @aamgdp 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      ​@@Accost2uthey aren't. Toyota has stake at both, but both are very much independent companies.

    • @user-su1kp7nh7c
      @user-su1kp7nh7c 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah kudos for never putting the 2.5 sti engine in the brz.

    • @lugnut93
      @lugnut93 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@user-su1kp7nh7c Subaru could have had made spun rod bearings cool again in the BRZ.

  • @francfurian8215
    @francfurian8215 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent review. I now want the BRZ/ 86 even more😊

  • @MLHunt
    @MLHunt 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video as usual.

  • @aceofspades6667
    @aceofspades6667 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I’m an nd2 owner and I absolutely love it. I used a seat caddie on the passenger side between the center console it gives me 2 cup holders (full size) and a place for my phone and keys .

    • @joshuaciccoricco2947
      @joshuaciccoricco2947 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This a must have "mod". I have one too and it is super helpful. Love it!

    • @aceofspades6667
      @aceofspades6667 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@joshuaciccoricco2947 i bought the stubby for like $20 and this console caddy for $30. End of mods needed.

    • @_vinke
      @_vinke 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Which organizer do you have that has 2 cup holders? I only see the ones with 1 cup holder

  • @elialostraniero6941
    @elialostraniero6941 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I'm already at my third Miata, had a 98 NB a 2016 ND sport and now a 2021 ND2 sport, it just makes life and driving much more enjoyable and easy, the open top aspect is just the cherry on top

  • @philroy4469
    @philroy4469 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well said. Have slightly over 1100 miles on my new '24 GT. I'm old as dirt, first car was a '62 3000 big Healey. This soul red little jewel is an end to my everything I'd ever dreamed of in a "fun to drive", because I just like to drive car. I love it dearly....my wife does too.

  • @serbzero
    @serbzero 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Sick review!!! Hope you recover fast brother!

  • @RYCOPZ
    @RYCOPZ 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    If this type of car appeals to you, buy one now while you still can and drive the nuts off of it. Cars that make you smile are a dying breed. Monster power, monster grip heavy cars with sophisticated algorithmic software chassis controls which only shine for a few seconds on the track are the future.

  • @KonkrRoads
    @KonkrRoads 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Killer video as usual!!

  • @Daniel-ds8nd
    @Daniel-ds8nd 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just bought my first 24' ND Miata in early June. I current live in Canada, where a warm sunny summer feels like a luxury.
    I have not been driving my regular daily for 2 months now.
    Everyone told me not to drive it in the winter, but I have decided to get a set of winter tires.

  • @msdos32
    @msdos32 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love my ND2 soft top. I live in NH where we’ve got fantastic backroads and the Miata is a joy through the white mountains

  • @davelemieux2470
    @davelemieux2470 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Some much more interesting than another 911 review. Thank you!

  • @acerimmer8338
    @acerimmer8338 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    As I've gotten older, I've really come to appreciate Miatas and its ethos. Everything is so fast now that fast has lost some excitement/novelty. It's now about experience, not just speed. But being 5'11", all torso, I just don't fit in them. Like Jack, it's just hunched over discomfort. So thank god that the BRZ/86 exist for us disproportionate folks.

    • @bearclaw5115
      @bearclaw5115 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I'm 6'3" and fit in the Miata. Not well mind you, but it seems a stretch that you can't fit. The biggest issue with me is that the shifter feels to close, pushing my elbow way back.

  • @saviordream
    @saviordream 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I had a 2020 Miata previously that I sold in 2022 to buy a '22 Camaro 2SS 1LE, as I'd never had a V8 and wanted to get one before regulations got rid of them forever. I really loved it, but I found myself missing the lightweight nature of the Miata. Was deciding between a GR86/BRZ and another Miata and ended up going back to the Miata this year. I don't need any practicality (my wife and I have 3 other cars), and just wanted something purely fun to drive. Placed an order back in January and picked up a '24 MX-5 Club soft top back in May. Love this car, and as a purely fun car, it might be my favorite of all the ones I've owned.

    • @Platos-Den
      @Platos-Den 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Wow! The 2ss 1LE is suppose to be a great handling car. How is the miata in cruising on the highway? Do you get road fatigue?

    • @saviordream
      @saviordream 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Platos-Den It is a great handling car, and I would have kept both if I had the money and space. I just found I preferred the lightweight feeling of the Miata (no matter how good the handling, the Camaro always felt big).
      I haven't really had the Miata on the highway, as I try to actively avoid them when I drive. The most time I've spent in the Miata is about a two hour stretch, and I didn't find it fatiguing at all. I have the trim with the Recaro seats if that makes any difference.

  • @kebobs3727
    @kebobs3727 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Ive been dailying a 22 gr86 for a long time now and dont plan on making a change anytime soon. If i had a 2 car solution in 5 years, I might be looking at an R2 or R3X with a modified 86 winning out over the miata because of styling at the end of the day

  • @kurtwashere
    @kurtwashere 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm so glad Dave spoke about the on-center stickiness of the pre-ND3 steering (12:26). I feel it in my ND2 at highway speeds and feared it was some kind of defect. While I don't love it, I'm at least relieved to know that's just how the car feels from the factory.

    • @bearclaw5115
      @bearclaw5115 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I actually felt that the NC also had sticky on center feel.

  • @RanchoTexano
    @RanchoTexano 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The new Carrera literally ate Silverback Jack’s right foot! Oh, and this comparison video was good too.

  • @jaynuck
    @jaynuck 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video.

  • @bobdadruma
    @bobdadruma 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    It's the MX-5 soft top for me. I owned a 1968 MGB back in the 1970's and I will always crave the feel of a classic open top British roadster with just enough modern tech to resolve the lacking issues that the 60's MGB's suffered from.

  • @matusknives
    @matusknives 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

    I had so sell my GR86 (edit: I meant GT86) to get a car that we needed for family. It has been two years and I still miss it ...

    • @DragonKnightX12
      @DragonKnightX12 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I'm about at the point with my BRZ.
      Looking into an Elantra N or a GR Corolla.

    • @aygwm
      @aygwm 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Have you ever considered that YOU have needs?

    • @joe718gt4
      @joe718gt4 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Plenty of time to get back into one later

    • @matusknives
      @matusknives 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@joe718gt4 that is how I see it. I was not pushes to sell the car, it was just the right thing to do. Some years down the road I may get a Miata or similar.

    • @matusknives
      @matusknives 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@aygwm oh I absolutely do. But I also prioritize them accordingly. And if life allows I will get some nice 2 seater later down the road.

  • @GENXEGDXB
    @GENXEGDXB 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Another standout comparison video from these guys 👏🏼 Also which watch is Britt C. wearing?!

  • @GusHampton
    @GusHampton 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great vid

  • @Closertotruth2
    @Closertotruth2 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Be honest Jack. You gave yourself a stress fracture pushing that 911 throttle through the floor.🤣

  • @jebidiahcarlyon3543
    @jebidiahcarlyon3543 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    These two make me miss the midwest when I'm away. I wish more people were nerds like this

  • @stevelovescars
    @stevelovescars 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I used a 1991 1.6L Miata as my daily driver back when I was in my mid-20's. I bought it used when it was 6 years old. I got other cars later but ended up keeping that car for 12 years and never had anything major go wrong, I think I only replaced the top (eventually) and a power window switch. Granted, I lived in California at that time (I now live in the Midwest so winters are an issue) and the road wasn't full of oversized SUVs driven by people on their cell phones. I used that car for everything for about 3 years and smiled every mile. I keep thinking that if I ever retire or live in a warmer climate, I'll use one as a daily again. If my wife keeps her small SUV I don't really need two cars to carry everything.

  • @bills6055
    @bills6055 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I've had a 2013 FRS and previously owned an NC PRHT both of which were my daily driver. I'd buy a GR86 over an ND today just for the back seat and storage. Given the skyrocketing Porsche prices I'm really hoping that rumors of a hybrid 300hp GR86 happen.

  • @austinfrazier7325
    @austinfrazier7325 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The best part of the ND is the RF is a mini pre 1977 C3 Corvette design wise.

  • @lugnut93
    @lugnut93 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Mazda, Toyota, and Subaru are the 3 car companies that I will consider buying my next car from.

    • @aygwm
      @aygwm 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      You should probably strike Subaru off that list.

    • @nfo1776
      @nfo1776 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I miss Honda

    • @lugnut93
      @lugnut93 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@aygwm true if reliability is a priority. But they are hard to beat for utility.

    • @sshah2545
      @sshah2545 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Ignore these ding songs.
      Subarus are not as reliable as Toyotas. 100% true. They are maybe 0.2-0.6% less reliable overall. If they make a car you want, buy it.
      Ignore these clowns talking crap out of their ass. Subaru makes longitudinally aligned cars, with a lot of utility and a lot of character.
      They’re generally well designed, and definitely well made. Toyota does do better, but there are compromises in buying a beige, FWD transportation appliance.
      Don’t listen to idiots. Choose a reputable brand - which you’ve already done - and buy what you want.

    • @ouch9326
      @ouch9326 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      kirk kierfields youttube reveiws a magazine that leaks toyoat etc plans which have been largley accurate. they say 2 lite inline 4 turbo mr2 is coming. electric version is higehr pwoer, already conifrmed officially. im hoping for inline 3

  • @jinxtacy
    @jinxtacy 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Just fit 2 35 packs of Coke, 16 oz Arizona variety pack, 2x 2 lb bags of coffee, 6x romaine, a case of oat milk, 3x shampoos and conditioners, grape tomatoes, 2 lasganas, tzatziki dip, bacon, 3lbs of limes, honey, naan and cucumbers. Only thing that had to go up front was the lasagna and a case of bagel chips. The trunk isn't bad, though the opening is a bit small and the glove box does take up some real estate along with the aftermarket strut bars, but it's got a reasonable size for many items, just not one large item. Carried a 40" TV in the front with the top down and the extra long reach HF jack. Only complaint with the MX5 is that the first gear seems a bit too short to me and second is uncomfortably long to take off from for everyday use. It's almost like a truck gear. I can see why Fiat opted for the NC transmission.

    • @NuclearRoll
      @NuclearRoll 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      As nd owner i agree i also go grocery shopping for 2 every 2 weeks in mine and every yime i have a shopping cart full of shit I doubt itll fit it all and then it does

    • @jinxtacy
      @jinxtacy 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@NuclearRoll I think the most unfortunate thing is the size of the opening. Girlfriend or or I will hold the toilet paper if we get toilet paper or paper towels on the same trip to Costco. In the market for another car since the dog doesn't quite fit comfortably in it but for now I have an MR2 with no passenger seat. I wish they sold the Suzuki Swift here but Note, Fit, SX4, Rio, Fiat and Mazda2 are kind of being floated for road trips. Prius might be viable but we'll see. Might be nicer for buying mulch too lol

    • @NuclearRoll
      @NuclearRoll 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @jinxtacy mazda 3s seem great from everyone ive heard, honestly i prefer specialization, i like having my fun car and a cheap work car, i think a nd2 and an older pickup would be the dream team combo i also wish they were sold here tho

    • @jinxtacy
      @jinxtacy 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@NuclearRoll I've looked at the 2000 Tacomas but still think a 50 lb dog would be happier in a car with a little bit more room. If I ever get the space I'd like to have a truck on hand just for to do truck stuff but I have zero desire to commute in one. Probably shouldn't be driving around in a 30-year-old Toyota though as the daily.

  • @j.redbeard99
    @j.redbeard99 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thanks!

  • @ttinnovations3310
    @ttinnovations3310 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    on to the next segment !!! lol ( I got the NC3 about 6 months ago, and have been beating the living crap out of it, engine has not blown up yet =) )

  • @Dylanbforthree
    @Dylanbforthree 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    My 2021 ND2 gearbox is currently blowing up with under 10k miles. Third gear is going
    Besides that best car I’ve ever owned

    • @sniggitty
      @sniggitty 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yep, mine was 2nd gear. dumped it last week b4 it shit the bed. worst car i ever owned

    • @lawrencelin272
      @lawrencelin272 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      covid supply example? my 2019 is at 40k

    • @Dylanbforthree
      @Dylanbforthree 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lawrencelin272 I think it's just luck whether you got a stable one or not, a ton of 2021's are tracked heavily without the issues i'm facing