The Mario character Nintendo rejected

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  • In Super Mario Wonder, there's more playable characters then ever before - Peach, Daisy, Toadette... but there's one character you won't find in the game, or indeed, in any Mario games at all. And that's because this Mario character was rejected by Nintendo's creative powerhouse, Shigeru Miyamoto himself!
    Thanks very much to CometMedal for creating the artwork of how this character might've looked! View both pieces of art in full quality here:
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    - www.ndw.jp/waluigi-interview-... Original Interview
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    - www.nintendolife.com/news/202... Write up in NintendoLife
    - web.archive.org/web/200012090... Camelot’s internal reaction
    - www.mobygames.com/person/7649... Fumihide Aoki image sourced by Roberth Martinez
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  • @ThomasGameDocs
    @ThomasGameDocs  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +204

    BIG UPDATE!!!
    Out of the blue, Fumihide Aoki just posted the lost concept art to his Instagram account!
    SEE HERE: instagram.com/p/C0TpKyDSfOy/
    Plus a 3D model for the character created for Mario Golf on the GameCube:
    SEE HERE: instagram.com/p/C0UBB6tSxgB/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
    I can't believe that 20 years later this art has finally emerged online! So there it is, the definitive Walupeach!!!
    Thanks so much for watching!!! And thanks also to CometMedal for creating the piece of art seen in the video! Check it out in full quality here: imgur.com/a/ajRzCBa

  • @poweroffriendship2.0
    @poweroffriendship2.0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +836

    The closest character we can get to having a "Wapeach" is definitely Captain Syrup. If Wario is a contrast to Mario, then Captain Syrup's femme fatale role would be an antithesis to Princess Peach's damsel in distress.
    *Edit:* Welp, it looks like WaPeach finally gets revealed now.

    • @billlllllllllllll
      @billlllllllllllll 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      oh my god youre right

    • @disneyvillainsfan1666
      @disneyvillainsfan1666 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

      Captain Syrup is such an underrated character.

    • @Victini7472
      @Victini7472 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      TRUEEEE

    • @DylanMatthewTurner
      @DylanMatthewTurner 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      Idk i feel like Captain Syrup is more Wapauline

    • @GloryToComradeForster
      @GloryToComradeForster 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Seriously, if we could actually get her in a game, I would cry.

  • @Nightcaat
    @Nightcaat 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +518

    The Mario universe would look so different if Wapeach somehow actually became a thing

    • @sdrawkcab_emanresu
      @sdrawkcab_emanresu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      R34 Artist would be happy about this

    • @Nightcaat
      @Nightcaat 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

      @@sdrawkcab_emanresuThanks, I forgot to flush my eyes out with cold water this morning

    • @ashmander3465
      @ashmander3465 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Why have wapeach and wadaisy when modern daisy is peaches wario

    • @poweroffriendship2.0
      @poweroffriendship2.0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@ashmander3465 Because Daisy isn't even a villain nor an anti-hero (despite being debuted in the same game as Wario), she is Peach's counterpart.

    • @mccloaker
      @mccloaker 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      We already have Peach's rival. It's clearly Captain Syrup. She rules a crew of Goombas, she stole Peach's statue and has a connection to Wario. Even the name fits. I don't know why nobody seems to notice this.

  • @izmeaggen7474
    @izmeaggen7474 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +355

    Peach didn't need an enemy,she just needed a partner - and now daisy is almost loved as much as her 😂

    • @GygasDistruttore
      @GygasDistruttore 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      Daisy is Wa-peach. Twist the p, get a d. :p
      Not really, but it is fun to think.

    • @BillyWiccanHex
      @BillyWiccanHex 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@GygasDistruttore oh yeah lol

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Don't worry. Grape from the upcoming game Princess Peach Showtime will (likely) become Peach's enemy

    • @thesupervideogamenerdmore3171
      @thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      The real Walupeach is the friend she made along the way.

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "almost"? What's that supposed to mean?

  • @annonymousannonymous9586
    @annonymousannonymous9586 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +256

    Honestly I think an Evil Peach would go by a name like Mistress Leach, and an Evil Daisy would be called Mistress Hazy, it just seems like a better idea to me.

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      I approved those name ideas

    • @htsunmiku
      @htsunmiku 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      I don't think Nintendo would use the word "mistress" tbh

    • @catqueen2031
      @catqueen2031 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      That would be an awesome idea hopefully peach and daisy will get their stand alone game and mistress leach and mistress hazy can be the ones they battle against

    • @jasongretencord3326
      @jasongretencord3326 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I have called this theorhetical character Princess Cheap

    • @NitwitsWorld
      @NitwitsWorld 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jasongretencord3326 guess what happened

  • @MarioLuigiAndJr.
    @MarioLuigiAndJr. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +133

    Peach seemed really happy to have that character banned on the thumbnail.

    • @AntarcticaMade
      @AntarcticaMade 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I think actually she doesn't really care, considering that character never actually made it in and therefore had no interaction. Plus Luigi doesn't really give a crap about Waluigi.

    • @MarioLuigiAndJr.
      @MarioLuigiAndJr. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@AntarcticaMade Nah Peach definitely killed Walupeach

    • @True-South
      @True-South 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@MarioLuigiAndJr. Whaaat?????

    • @True-South
      @True-South 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@MarioLuigiAndJr. I never got to meet her so I don't have any strong feelings for her.

  • @Tsunamy34
    @Tsunamy34 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +145

    Wapeach could be renamed as "Weach" so it would be a play with the word Witch + Peach

    • @VivioSaf
      @VivioSaf 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      A lot of people would read it as "Wench".

    • @Tsunamy34
      @Tsunamy34 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@VivioSaf that is a problem that would not be mine, just read it right. The same happens with Bowser that some people call Browser, again, not my problem.

    • @Umbra_J
      @Umbra_J 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Slapping W in Peach’s name doesn’t make sense nor does it sound good enough. It either have to be WaPeach (since Wa means bad in Japanese AKA bad peach) or give her a new name that has hints of rotten Peaches or something

    • @Ozzy622
      @Ozzy622 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@Tsunamy34Microsoft Bowser

  • @yasscool101
    @yasscool101 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    I think the closest we got from a "bad peach" is the shadow queen in peaches body from Paper Mario TTYD, but the fan artwork looks really good too.

    • @memescoffee3173
      @memescoffee3173 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Princess Shroob aswell is a very villianous counterpart to Peach

    • @voltron77
      @voltron77 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      THE GREATEST QUEEN AND BEST VERSION OF PEACH BECOME HER FAITHFUL SERVANT!

  • @Geneolgia
    @Geneolgia 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    I propose bringing back Captain Syrup as the bad girl character, her whole pirate theme is fresh among the Mario cast and she's a rival to Wario so the Doronjo comparison is out of the question.

  • @goatmilk1
    @goatmilk1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +165

    Taking a guess right now, this is about the rejected Wario version of Peach 😎

    • @ThomasGameDocs
      @ThomasGameDocs  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

      Correct!

    • @9-volt247
      @9-volt247 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ThomasGameDocs Why do you rarely comment?

    • @galacticquasaur2956
      @galacticquasaur2956 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@9-volt247Because it's amazing!

    • @galacticquasaur2956
      @galacticquasaur2956 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Great guess!

    • @goatmilk1
      @goatmilk1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ThomasGameDocs I'm 6 inches deep in some ho rn

  • @corsaircarl9582
    @corsaircarl9582 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I'd want a Wa-version of Bowser called "Wowser", and he would be really nice and sweet.

    • @johnathantaylor5913
      @johnathantaylor5913 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      But Bowser's counterpart is just Peach. They are both rulers.

    • @poweroffriendship2.0
      @poweroffriendship2.0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There is. He is called "Dark Bowser", who happened to be the ancient Dark Star.

    • @grill999
      @grill999 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@johnathantaylor5913what about Bowser Jr or donkey Kong as a counterpart

    • @johnathantaylor5913
      @johnathantaylor5913 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@grill999 Counterpart to who -- Bowser? Donkey Kong was once a close match, considering he was once the main villain in the early days, but he hasn't fit that role for decades now.
      As for Bowser Jr -- no. He fills the same role that Baby Mario does for Mario. (And all the Baby characters for their respective adults).

    • @grill999
      @grill999 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnathantaylor5913 yeah I was thinking that bowser could be a counterpart to donkey kong. Even though donkey Kong hasn’t played the role of a villain for a while, he is going to appear as the antagonist in the Mario vs donkey Kong remake that is coming out soon.

  • @Super_Top_Secret_Area
    @Super_Top_Secret_Area 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +157

    You are telling me that Miyamoto was potentially scared of the idea of having an evil, sexy Peach? And all this time I thought "Wapeach" was just a copy of Peach but with Wario's nose.
    Considering how they reacted, I can imagine Bowsette made Nintendo very uncomfortable.
    Update: Now that Warupeach's design got revealed, I can see why they rejected her. She wasn't some "evil, sexy Peach"; quite on the contrary, she looked like a teenage version of Peach, which may have not been unique enough. Even less so now that Rosalina has her hairstyle and Ashley from WarioWare pretty much inherited her personality.

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Well, they had a good reason to be uncomfortable with Garbagesette. 99% of the content everyone did for her was trashy Not-Safe-For-Work fanart/fan fictions of everyone using the Super Crown to turn anything (even underaged characters and non-living objects) into creepy-looking princesses with exaggerated features and very skimpy clothing.
      All I'm saying is that I hope Bowsette/Garbagesette *NEVER* becomes an official thing ☠️

    • @memescoffee3173
      @memescoffee3173 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Probrably why they made sure to say only toadette can wear them

    • @Ijustusethistocommentstuff
      @Ijustusethistocommentstuff 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Takahashi probably saw that, called Miyamoto, and personally said "I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO", and hung up before Miyamoto could get a word in.

    • @spongeintheshoe
      @spongeintheshoe 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I guess that's just karma.

    • @heckermcheck8109
      @heckermcheck8109 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@@mariajimenafigueroa233 She already was an official thing. Never made it into the actual game, but Bowser using his own Cap to possess Peach was an idea they had for Super Mario Odyssey.
      Also, please take your obsession with bashing anything remotely suggestive back to the 1800s.

  • @viheart
    @viheart 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +160

    An evil peach would have been so cool! 😫

    • @smartass643
      @smartass643 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      TTYD has your wish

    • @GoofyPoptart
      @GoofyPoptart 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      ​@@smartass643Dude I was just about to say the Shadow Queen

    • @INFERNO95
      @INFERNO95 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      No it would be lazy.

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Don't worry, you will get Grape next year with Princess Peach Showtime

    • @skyways262
      @skyways262 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mariajimenafigueroa233wdym?

  • @alessandroditerlizzi569
    @alessandroditerlizzi569 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    I'm sorry, but the evil version of Peach would have been called Weach (spelling it like Witch)

    • @poweroffriendship2.0
      @poweroffriendship2.0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      This is the kind of name that Nintendo missed an opportunity from.

    • @gamr9655
      @gamr9655 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      yeah and I was thinking the name walupeach would be a weird name since it just seems like combining Waluigi with Peach.

    • @cb8655
      @cb8655 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      You mean… Wii-tch
      Like the Nintendo Wii, but with the ch sound.

    • @protocetid
      @protocetid 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s a weach.

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cb8655 Wii-tch U

  • @brendanintheuniverse1910
    @brendanintheuniverse1910 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    We must also not forget about Boshi, Yoshi's rival!
    Sure there's also a trio, Mario, Luigi, and Yoshi. But why can't there a trio, Wario, Waluigi, and Boshi?

  • @NorthSutherland
    @NorthSutherland 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +104

    Miyamoto: (rejects "Wapeach")
    Meanwhile,
    Captain Syrup: (exists)
    Not every character needs to be a literal one-to-one derivative.

    • @Royal_Nebula
      @Royal_Nebula 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      To be fair captain syrup isnt a mario character but rather a wario character

    • @Mari_Izu
      @Mari_Izu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      They wanted to make a love partner for Wario that would be a rival for Peach, Captain Syrup is an antagonist for Wario and probably don't even know Peach exist.

    • @ashmander3465
      @ashmander3465 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Technically modern Daisy is peaches wario

    • @theuglyfruit7704
      @theuglyfruit7704 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@ghenetto sure, just ignore the fact they're litterally not and you'd be correct!

    • @Quinhala11
      @Quinhala11 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@Mari_Izu
      Captain Syrup literally steals a statue of Peach from her kingdom in her first appearance, and just like how they do it in WL:SI Syrup and Wario could team up for the sake of getting money/attention

  • @tracyndiyob162
    @tracyndiyob162 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

    always viewed captain syrup as wapeach as she's the opposite of princess peach with a playful femme fetale vibe compared to peach's sweetness and would be more interesting instead of a slightly different peach seeing them interact alongside the warioware crew(also got wario version of daisy from mona.) in a mario spinoff.
    if mario got an anime would totally see syrup with wario/waluigi & the ware gang as a dorombo gang esque trio.

  • @CaptainCat101
    @CaptainCat101 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +107

    Look on the bright side: at least we eventually got Rosalina

    • @thenightstar8312
      @thenightstar8312 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      IS that a bright side?

    • @nxtnova
      @nxtnova 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@thenightstar8312I mean my personal opinion, yeah lol

    • @20000dino
      @20000dino 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nxtnova I mean Rosalina is cool, but she's no "Warupeach" (or "Weach", how some people are suggesting). It's two completely different character concepts.

  • @CometMedal
    @CometMedal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Thank you so much for having me on this video! Was a ton of fun getting to draft up and draw my interpretation of "Wapeach". Fantastic job as always, Thomas! Looking forward to working with you more in the future!

    • @Syiepherze
      @Syiepherze 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Your art was awesome!! You nailed the Kotabe style perfectly 👌 I think she could be differentiated from Peach a little bit more but she still looks great!

  • @amigomorton5193
    @amigomorton5193 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    We already have a sorta Warupeach called Captain Syrup.
    All that needs to be done is to kindly but loudly ask Nintendo to do more with her.

    • @jeremyriley1238
      @jeremyriley1238 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I agree. We don't need some Peach clone that would be ugly and possibly give kids nightmares when Nintendo can actually put Captain Syrup in, as we don't need any other Wa-characters to the point where they end up making having evil counterparts of beloved video game characters a stale cliche'.

    • @disneyvillainsfan1666
      @disneyvillainsfan1666 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is unlikely I'd love it if they included Syrup in the next Smash Bros. The roster could use at least 1 or 2 female villains. (Who's not an alternate costume or echo.)

  • @orthodoxfob2389
    @orthodoxfob2389 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Wapeach just got revealed by the original creator of Waluigi

  • @kamilabdalla3228
    @kamilabdalla3228 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    The creator of wapeach showed us a sketch of her just recently. So we finally know what she looks like now.

  • @OfficialGlitchDoctor
    @OfficialGlitchDoctor 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    If we're going by Nintendo's logic of upside down letters for the evil versions of the characters, then would evil peach be beach? 🤔

    • @annarenfold438
      @annarenfold438 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Probably why they wanted to avoid it?

    • @GamepadStudios
      @GamepadStudios 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In Japanese, Wah means something like "bad" so Wario literally means "bad Mario" and so on with other characters

    • @poweroffriendship2.0
      @poweroffriendship2.0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      _"Like Mario and Princess Beach."_
      *~ Hideo Kojima*

    • @Syiepherze
      @Syiepherze 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@GamepadStudios The word for "bad" is warui (悪い). "Wa" on its own can sometimes refer to one of the old names of Japan (和)

    • @Ozzy622
      @Ozzy622 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      B*tch?

  • @rockowlgamer631
    @rockowlgamer631 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I mean if you think about Daisy is a perfect walupeach, hot tempered, likes action, kicks Bowser's ass in Mario party 3, and is a princess.
    The only thing that's missing is Daisy being evil.

  • @scrappy8683
    @scrappy8683 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    It just come to show that without The Doronbo Trio; not only Team Rocket wouldn't exist but even Waluigi as well and a real pity the OG Teio are truly underrated these days unlike Tatunsoko Vs. Capcom from the late 2008's to early mid 2010's era!

  • @TheRealBatabii
    @TheRealBatabii 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I don't like how the concept sketch for wapeach just looks like peach with eyeshadow. Waluigi and Wario are drastically exaggerated versions of their good counterparts. Since wario is really fat and waluigi is really skinny, I imagine wapeach would be really over-the-top cutesy and girly

  • @gustavoaguiar4188
    @gustavoaguiar4188 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Well, now we know how she looks like lol

  • @charliebrmg
    @charliebrmg 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The fan-made sketch you’ve shown at 5:52 (especially the black/white version) reminds me of the “Shadow Queen”, the final boss from Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. If the original sketch made by Aoki back in 1999 also resembled that character, then we would know the Shadow Queen’s true origin story (at least when it comes to her “Peach form”).
    Keep in mind that TTYD was released in 2004, for the GameCube, and developed by Intelligent Systems.

    • @charliebrmg
      @charliebrmg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, spoke too soon, I guess…

    • @rifqims
      @rifqims 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😎👍

  • @DMacB42
    @DMacB42 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    5:55 my dude, that's just angsty Peach. Wario and Waluigi’s primary design trait is that they’re exaggerated versions of Mario and Luigi. There’s nothing exaggerated about that artist’s rendition, it could easily just be a reskin colour from Smash.

    • @kalelrodriguez5685
      @kalelrodriguez5685 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Agreed. I feel like a real inverse Peach would have a lot more going on. Frizzy hair, maybe a cartoonishly long dress that drags behind her, a way bigger crown for a huge ego, and a color palette that better reflects a cruel side of royalty. Maybe some kind of crimson. As the rendition stands, it just looks like Shadow Queen Peach wearing blue

    • @jeremyzapsmash
      @jeremyzapsmash 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thank you! Exactly!

  • @mariobroultimate1808
    @mariobroultimate1808 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Miyamoto could've at least had a look at the sketch, or Takahashi could've told him they used a different inspiration this time. Ah well.

  • @seanbroderick2224
    @seanbroderick2224 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This aged well, finally we get to see WaPeaches design!

  • @ChaoticHoly
    @ChaoticHoly 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Plot Twist: "Walupeach" was used for _The Thousand Year Door._

  • @eviemelie3014
    @eviemelie3014 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I just love Thomas’s “byyeeeee~” so much!

  • @Rot8erConeX
    @Rot8erConeX 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I actually knew about Walupeach but misunderstood the order of events. I always heard that, much like Wario needed a doubles partner, so did Peach, so they designed a sort of goth Peach (not really evil, but dark in other ways), and Nintendo's response was "we already have this other princess that hasn't been seen since the early Game Boy days. Maybe do something with her."

  • @OrimaJam
    @OrimaJam 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Warupeachy is now revealed, her design has finally been revealed

  • @Dante...
    @Dante... 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Damn, Miyamoto savaged that poor guy lol.

  • @ststriker
    @ststriker 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I always thought Waluigi looked like Dastardly from Dastardly and Muttly.

  • @risel56
    @risel56 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Personally I'd have gone with the name Wallflower. Keeps both the Wa- prefix and the floral naming scheme of the other Princesses.

    • @jonahdunch4056
      @jonahdunch4056 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Oh I like that, clever!

    • @inv_hana
      @inv_hana 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Warose

    • @quangamershyguyyz7166
      @quangamershyguyyz7166 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, that’s dumb

    • @flameofthephoenix8395
      @flameofthephoenix8395 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sorry! I accidentally hit dislike; I have now undone the dislike.

  • @toad6453
    @toad6453 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The closest to that we got was that time Wario transformed Daisy into a very different looking and evil version of herself in the Manga.

  • @ohmygodtheykilledkenny4887
    @ohmygodtheykilledkenny4887 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I like the concept sketch of what Wapeach could've looked like, but it feels too bland. It honestly looks more like a Peach alt costume for Smash Bros

  • @VicHD
    @VicHD 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    I think it boils down to 2 things: 1 Miyamoto being based (not the first time) . 2 He didn't want Nintendo go get into a lawsuit with Tatsunoko over the "Wapeach" design. Waluigi's design almost crossed that line.
    Then the fandom created Bowsette and that was a whole other can of worms.

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Bowsette is not an opposite rival of Peach, she's just a crappy Peachfiled version of Bowser

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The internet may have made Bowsette after NSMBUD was revealed, but Nintendo themselves _already_ made a Bowsette when designing Mario Odyssey. (And then there's Bowletta from Mario & Luigi, but that's a bit different.)
      Meanwhile in Zelda, Ganondorf has been Zelda on two separate canon occasions.

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@angeldude101 Nintendo was never thinking into making Bowsette a real thing, the concept art from Mario Odyssey has nothing to do with the Super Crown and it was scrapped anyway.

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mariajimenafigueroa233 That's why I said *_a_* Bowsette. Yes, it had nothing to do with the Super Crown, but the Super Crown really wasn't that important to begin with. It was just a way to justify a version of Bowser that looked like Peach. Nintendo had their own reasons for making such a design, and so they did so. Even if it didn't make it into a game, someone at Nintendo still considered the idea and made a sketch for it.

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@angeldude101 Nintendo had some great ideas that they sadly rejected, but they're some they made a great decision to scrapped and a version of Bowser that look like Peach is one of them. I hope that *NEVER* becomes an official thing ☠️

  • @SturmAH
    @SturmAH 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    In fairness, Doronjo was a very sexual character and kind of a dominatrix in appearance, so if Miyamoto thought Wapeach was anything like her, yeah she would clash with the rest of the gang.

  • @williamhicks7807
    @williamhicks7807 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Ah yes, the classic story of reintroducing Daisy and the creation of Waluigi

  • @Nic_2751
    @Nic_2751 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Well, this just became dated

  • @Brumpus365
    @Brumpus365 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Awww heck yeah new thomas game docs vid lets GOOOOOO

  • @Lucy-qc3ke
    @Lucy-qc3ke 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The fact that you said "alongside mario, peach, Wario, and others" and then showed luigi felt wrong

  • @sahaprocks7751
    @sahaprocks7751 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Well… Wapeach’s design was revealed

  • @joopvanhedel1372
    @joopvanhedel1372 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Super Mario Bros wonder is different, he wanted crazy ideas, he said that in an interview

  • @_Guardian
    @_Guardian 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You know, it would be really cool if Nintendo released a book of their history which could include cut content from their games including characters
    I’m not sure if this concept already exists but I would love to see something like that
    Tho it would be spread out throughout multiple books

    • @metasteelgaming4373
      @metasteelgaming4373 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree, but the problem is that Nintendo would need to copyright all the cut stuff before putting the book out. Imagine every Nintendo competitor just drooling over the idea of ripping off their cut content. It's much better to repurpose the material later.
      You'd have to look it up because I don't recall the details, but apparently the 2 mini dungeons from Wind Waker were supposed to be full dungeons, and one got repurposed for Twilight Princess.

    • @_Guardian
      @_Guardian 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@metasteelgaming4373 True
      Haven’t thought about that

  • @redneon06
    @redneon06 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m so happy to see your videos again!

  • @sandcat-maurice
    @sandcat-maurice 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, thank you! At the start of the video I thought it was going to be about Bowsette. Would love to see that character to become an official Nintendo character!

  • @deoxysoverlord8710
    @deoxysoverlord8710 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Camelot: "We can't come up with a partner for Wario. Can you guys help us and create a character for Wario?"
    Nintendo: "No."

  • @tycho25
    @tycho25 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ah, yes, the Garlic princess of the Clove Kingdom

  • @albinwikstrand3686
    @albinwikstrand3686 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    That lost character was called Warupichi, not Walupeach

    • @Syiepherze
      @Syiepherze 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Isn't that literally the same thing though

  • @King_Cisco
    @King_Cisco 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Pretty sure Captain Syrup and Princess Shroob already do Wapeach's job.

  • @csolisr
    @csolisr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6:00 Well... we had no way of knowing it beforehand, but that provisional design was WAY out of target

  • @supermariof0521
    @supermariof0521 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They needed every character to have a partner for doubles mode..........yet they couldn't be bothered to make Baby Mario's tennis partner, oh I dunno.......BABY LUIGI?!?!

  • @Zictor
    @Zictor 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    OK but now I want to see his version of Walupeach!

    • @silvesta5027
      @silvesta5027 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And now you can! Funny enough the creator of Waluigi recently released his design sketch for Wapeach. I’d link it but TH-cam hates link. Do a quick google and it should come up!

  • @majestichumding1005
    @majestichumding1005 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Leave a like here if you came after Wapeach was revealed! I for one think she's very cute and Nintendo shot themselves in the foot

  • @paulstephens2861
    @paulstephens2861 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Came straight here after hearing.

  • @2fernandoc1
    @2fernandoc1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yeah, about that...

  • @once_inocent24
    @once_inocent24 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I saw the drawing and as the paper Mario lover I am was like: THAT IS LITTERALY JUST SHADOWQUEEN WITH LONG HAIR OH MY GOSH, THIS IS WHAT SHE WAS PROBABLY BASED OFF OF

  • @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17
    @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1:22 Fym "last couple of decades", were they making Mario Tennis games in the 70s?

  • @Link_1129
    @Link_1129 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    To be fair, I don't want to imagine what Warupeachi probably (actually) looked like, either. Especially if the team's horrific imaginations were right. 😂

    • @SourWine789
      @SourWine789 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah im sure it must have been pretty bad if Miyamoto rejected it and accepted Waluigi instead

    • @spongeintheshoe
      @spongeintheshoe 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@SourWine789 Given that Miyamoto apparently didn't even look at it, I'm not sure that means anything.

    • @SourWine789
      @SourWine789 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@spongeintheshoe oh yeah, maybe he was wrong then?

    • @Link_1129
      @Link_1129 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@SourWine789 I've become increasingly cynical about Miyamoto over the years (which, as a digression, is really weird and sad to say about one of the people that made your childhood), and even I'm in agreement with the man here. If it did look like the other character, eh. Oh well.
      I'm just content to imagine a skinny Wario in a dress, mustache and all, as the reason it got rejected.

    • @SourWine789
      @SourWine789 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Link_1129 I did not know Miyamoto was so bad, sorry

  • @mariokarter13
    @mariokarter13 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Worth noting that at this time Nintendo was already making plans for an evil Peach.
    The Shadow Queen in Thousand Year Door.

    • @toadynamite8141
      @toadynamite8141 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And we also got princess Shroob sometime later

    • @Giran023
      @Giran023 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You sure about that?

  • @johnathantaylor5913
    @johnathantaylor5913 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Peach's evil counterpart is essentially just Bowser -- they both rule different parts of the world in the same way almost every classic fairy-tale does (the good kingdom up against an evil queen, witch, dragon or so forth). Peach never needed an evil counterpart.

    • @RoninCatholic
      @RoninCatholic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And if you turn Bowser into a sexy witch you get Bowsette, which is disgusting.

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      TV Tropes' page on Bowser listed him as an evil counterpart for both Mario (associeded with fire and being in love for Peach) and Peach (being the ruler)

    • @johnathantaylor5913
      @johnathantaylor5913 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@mariajimenafigueroa233 It is interesting how many different ways you can pair characters with or against each other, and not just in the binary sense.
      Although Peach is a counterpart to Bowser, she also doubles as the love interest of both Bowser and Mario -- but Mario doesn't seem to compare to Bowser in terms of counterparting Peach. However, the humble protagonist competing against a powerful antagonist for the love (or ownership) of a 'princess' is another trope as old as time.
      Fascinating stuff.

  • @RavenclawNimbus
    @RavenclawNimbus 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Gosh I just realized how much I love Thomas's accent

  • @keyphoenix5094
    @keyphoenix5094 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    THE WAPEACH IS REAAAALLLLL!

  • @Erokingu
    @Erokingu 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    you have made history

  • @RoninCatholic
    @RoninCatholic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Comments are full of Captain Syrup, but there's also Queen Shroob, Shadow Queen, and even Wario's _friend_ Mona whose name is a variant of "momo" meaning peach or of the word for thigh because of her attractive build.

  • @redstonecommander5190
    @redstonecommander5190 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:57 the design for her actually looks pretty cool the blue kind reminds me of Rosalina and the way she looks like on her face car reminds me of peach so you combined it to and then you get this

    • @redstonecommander5190
      @redstonecommander5190 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have to say that’s probably one of the greatest mockup designs I ever seen that was somehow banned from Nintendo and trust me. It is probably one of the coolest concept designs.

  • @richymacmillion
    @richymacmillion 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love it. Just a slight error though, in Mario Tennis 64, Peach automatic double partner was Mario. But I get what you’re saying if you’re referring to camelot games after Mario Tennis 64! Otherwise, good video!!!!

  • @theshadowspider97
    @theshadowspider97 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I like to imagine Shadow Queen from Paper Mario is the Walupeach idea fully realized.

  • @PrincessRosalina918
    @PrincessRosalina918 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    love your videos

  • @SmokeTheHorsehog
    @SmokeTheHorsehog 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've discussed it before, and so have others around in these comments, but I feel it's worth mentioning.
    While we may have never had Waluigi in this alternative timeline, we could have gotten that Walupeachie if Camelot had did some digging into the Wario franchise up to that point.
    In short, they couls have brought in Captain Syrup as Wario's doubles partner and have that be that. She'd be able to have more roles outside of her on-and-off appearances in the Wario Land series, and perhaps it could work from a story perspective, with Wario and Syrup finding a common enemy in Mario and gradually becoming good friends and lessening their rivalry a bit.
    Instead, we got Waluigi, Walupeachie was rejected by concept despite Aoki's insistence that the concept was nothing like Doronjo, and Captain Syrup went on to be featured in only one more Wario game nearly a decade later before fading into obscurity.

  • @Luigicat11
    @Luigicat11 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Funny enough, despite there being no Warupeach, we _did_ actually get a Warudaisy, though the SML2 manga probably isn't canon.

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Warupeach was also the Super Mario Land 2 manga, but it was Peach getting brainwashed, not a seperated character

  • @ScratchyDavid7
    @ScratchyDavid7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I watched a minute of the vid and I already know its that waluigi peach thing or whatever[ don't worry I'm still gonna watch the whole thing]

  • @IsomerMashups
    @IsomerMashups 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What do you mean there's no WaPeach? _Daisy is standing right there._

  • @GiancarloThomazSenoni
    @GiancarloThomazSenoni 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:58 wait that the Shadow Queen for Paper Mario the Thousand Years Door

  • @ducky19991
    @ducky19991 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They could’ve called her Nectarine…

  • @TopOfAllWorlds
    @TopOfAllWorlds 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I feel like waluigi and wario play off eachother too well for a wapeach to exist. It wouldn't feel as right as it does now.

  • @chrisbarone515
    @chrisbarone515 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I actually see a pattern to all this! Each one of Mario and his friends have their own nemesis.
    Mario ➡ Wario
    Luigi ➡ Waluigi
    Peach ➡ Bowsette
    Yoshi ➡ Kamek
    Toad ➡ Goomba

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Quit telling lies, Bowsette is not real, she's just a stupid meme
      Peach's REAL enemy/rival will be Grape the witch from her upcoming game: Princess Peach Showtime! (Well, at least I hope Grape isen't a one-off villain)

    • @chrisbarone515
      @chrisbarone515 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mariajimenafigueroa233 One of the most POPULAR memes of all time.

    • @mariajimenafigueroa233
      @mariajimenafigueroa233 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chrisbarone515 And also the STUPIDEST meme of all time

  • @PikachuLover0927
    @PikachuLover0927 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The closest WaluPeach we ever had was probably the Shadow Queen’s design in The Thousand Year Door

  • @PaulyWolly
    @PaulyWolly 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The Walupeach sketch looks a lot like the Demon Peach at the end of Thousand Year Door, no?

  • @_end3rguy_
    @_end3rguy_ 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Who else used to call him waligi

  • @MechaDragonX
    @MechaDragonX 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Back during 3D World's development, Miyamoto responded to the idea of a cat power up with an emphatic claim about how hot catgirls are. In response Koizumi looked at stubborn like he was crazy. So he's pretty clear about the attractiveness of Peach 💀

  • @RRM693
    @RRM693 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    For some reason i feel like Wapeach would have a moustache and black hair, maybe a purple dress too

  • @mikaela5938
    @mikaela5938 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i wish they would fire old people that keep progress from happening, it's exhausting to see so much

  • @TramiNguyen-oi3kp
    @TramiNguyen-oi3kp 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome video!

  • @Unagam1GD
    @Unagam1GD 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think that eventually a Warupeach would be a cool addition to the Mario universe.

  • @mxchizz
    @mxchizz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    5:58 kinda looks like the shadow queen from paper Mario

  • @stormmitchell2776
    @stormmitchell2776 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Letter to Thomas Game Docs;
    You do realized you just unleashed a wave of revolting and unseenible horrors of R34 artists upon the earth, right?

  • @jofh2o
    @jofh2o 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    4:35 that’s actually Gamma from the greek alphabet, because waluigi’s name in Greek starts with gamma. (Perhaps this means waluigi is greek? This is the greek spelling of his name by the way Γουαλουίτζι)

  • @brare45996
    @brare45996 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Definitely let us know if that drawing gets leaked!!

  • @retelefe
    @retelefe 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love your Hotel Dusk background music

  • @Snuffedstar2004
    @Snuffedstar2004 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish we could see the original concept. The "fallen angel" concept sounds like an awesome character for the series.

  • @BallerinaPocketArchives
    @BallerinaPocketArchives 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Designer Recently Showed Actual Design On His Instagram Now. So Video Was Made One Month Before Big Reveal!

  • @user-pq9pj8qm4p
    @user-pq9pj8qm4p 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    VIDEO IDEA WHAT IS THE BEST NINTENDO CONSOLE OR FRANCHISE

  • @SavageGreywolf
    @SavageGreywolf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    First off, I am horrified and scandalized that Miyamoto thinks Doronjo isn't kawaii.

  • @anaminjuliana456
    @anaminjuliana456 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At the end the design was actually cute.😅