I can't stand people who say "Little kids who aren't white can now see themselves as Spider-Man because of Miles." I related more to Peter Parker than any non-white comic book superhero growing up in the 80s/90s because of who Peter is, not his race. Their logic would mean Spider-Man can't be truly relatable to me because I'm Asian and there isn't a popular Asian Spider-Man. It's insulting.
Especially ironic when you remember that for decades, it was said that Spidey’s full-face mask was special because it meant anyone could imagine themselves as Spider-Man, no matter their skin color.
This. In my honest opinion it's racist to say you can't relate to other characters unless they look like you. It's really annoying seeing this nonsense. Focus on making a fleshed out character instead of just slapping a shade of brown and calling it a day.
They never think through the reverse. If we're to believe them, then it's not a problem for everyone else to ignore Miles cause they "can't relate" because they don't share skin tone
I liked him til the latest game when they said Peter doesn’t save low income people, it’s literally 80% of what he does, so now miles has to, It’s ridiculous
Ironically as a black kid dealing with racism in the early 2000s, from a majority white neighborhood it was spiderman, Peter Parker that gave me a sense of belonging in this world. Because he was an outcast in his world I felt a strong connection to him. I was excited for the creation of miles morales, as he was created when I was in high school at the height of my comic book interest. But he didn't have the same impact Peter Parker had on me. Crazy to think about.
@Dr. Savage Agreed. I’m also Hispanic and I never felt a closeness to miles but I did with Peter. It’s insane how many spider-men there are now it’s insane and ridiculous.
honestly man, if they just stuck to playing on Ultimate's strength. Miles Morales as a new Spiderman in a city that just lost Spiderman. but they threw him into 616 bleh
Well i don't fault you for not keeping up with all the latest events of old marvel but miles was literally introduced as a black spider man, even his design screamed "cotton picker". It's was so obviously made to appeal to anyone dark skinned that I find the character extremely racist and insensitive as a concept. A better "black" spider man would that be lady doctor's kid who peter saved in the spider man unlimited, it's the show with the furries, i recommend it
@@honestabe7373so true, there are wayyy to many Spider-Men. But a lot of it doesn't come from wanting to push an agenda, but millions of reboots and alternate universes, which really isn't a good thing at all
Serious question; When did it become so important to "see myself in the character"? Throughout all of my childhood I never once thought that characters had to represent me. I don't get it. I hate to admit it, but I danced like and wanted to be Michael Jackson as a kid. It never even crossed my mind that we looked different. I never cared.
Thank you! I'm white, and Storm from the X-Men is my favorite character in Marvel. I don't relate to her at all. I just love the character and think she's cool as I do with the vast majority of characters I like. Often times, I see a character I like and find myself fascinated by some aspect of them. Maybe it's how they look, how they act, or what their story is that intrigues me. Having a character be relatable to me is great and all, but absolutely not a necessary quality.
Back in the 90s, we watched diverse programming that felt more natural. Black-led shows (Kenan & Kel, My Brother & Me, Family Matters, etc.), Asian-led (The Mystery Files of Shelby Woo), Latina-led (Taina), Female-led (The Secret World of Alex Mack) & shows with diverse leads who were just kids/friends hanging out & getting into the usual shenanigans. Sure, it was awesome to see Winston Zeddemore in The Real Ghostbusters or Zack in MMPR, but we also wanted to be Ninja Turtles & they're not even human! We had Steel, Spawn & Blade get their own movies in the late 90s! We had our fair share of characters who looked like us. The problem became the hyper focus on diversity & forcing it into everything nowadays. If things would have unfolded as they have, we'd be in better shape. Diversity itself isn't a problem. Forcing it IS.
I will explain you on my own experience: IT IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT. Why do you believe mostly of Marvel and DC characters are from the US or anime characters are Japanese? Humans NEED to see themselves on Fiction. HOWEVER... we need to have facts. I could be liying if i tell you that Green Lantern or Spider-Man (and for that i mean Peter Parker and Hal Jordan) did not influenced me being both white with brown Hair... Specially getting a costume of them in Halloween. However, The fact i looked like them was NOT the only thing i love From them, i love GL lore in general, The light spectrum its to me one of the best modern mythologies we have, and Hal...well, i love his will, how he passed From being a rebel ro being a HERO, defending Values like order and justice. With Spider-Man i loved and love him with the humble origin, The how he learn that with great power comes great responsability, how he was kinda asocial and how his powers and Values empower him...i was a pretty shy boy, and i felt him... Close. Look... The problem with Miles its not that he is black, its that is a Black token character triying to hijacking the mantle of other guy just for his race... Thats why i love more characters like Spawn or Static Shock than Miles, or even cartoons like El Tigre (dude, i was born in México and they LOVE Manny Rivera, he was a total ICON)... And in fact i love him being brown, like Anthropological Mexicans are, i felt him... CLOSER. If Black guys like more Static Shock for sharing skin color, i say "Cool! I feel great for you" and we share our love for him. And my brown friends did it more... But both loved him as character. Its an identity problem... Its like me creating a Mexican Hero who is the Avatar of Order in the CDMX (the capitol)... I think if i write him Well, anyone worldwide could like him as character, but i'm concious that brown People, specially mexican Boys, will like him more because its someone like them... Thats why human Works, we find things From us in characters we like, The more we see... The more we like them. But we need to be Wise enough to not turn that into a self-insert or a narcissist fantasy.
Good point about the villain thing, even Terry from Batman beyond while he still faced a few of the original Batman’s foes he still actually has his own original villains he faced like Blight at least
Very true, which is a show that I am rewatching currently as a Complete DVD Set. I see him fight mostly Original Villains while some like The Joker & Mr. Freeze are Bruce Wayne's Villains. Can't say I would count The Joker Gang since they're just trying to live up the Joker name.
Plus Terry Mcguiness wasn't derivative of Bruce Wayne or Batman, as is pointed out heavily in Return of the Joker in which it is the main theme, as it is in the JLU episode Epilogue. Terry was his own character who wasn't trying to mimic what came before but be his own Batman. This includes Terry having his own Rogues Gallery in an environment and society that was very different from what we were used to in the BTAS. Batman Beyond is a perfect example of how to pass the mantle without it feeling like a gimmick.
@@jonarbuckle778 thank you it was all about honoring the legacy but still being your own person as Terry unlike Bruce Wayne is able to have a functional relationship and still be Batman
@@jonarbuckle778on top of that, the only reason he even became Batman was because he was revenge questing against blight, found out that Bruce was Batman by mistake and took the suit to fight him himself He didn’t try to be Batman, he just became him
My very young cousin loves Miles. But loves Spider-Man(Peter). He refers Miles Morales as Miles. He refers Peter Parker as Spider-man. It isn’t difficult.
The existence of Miles Morales seems to disprove their claim that they like Stan Lee’s take in that video. If the original Spider-Man can be anyone under the mask, and any kid could see themselves in Spider-Man, why make Miles Morales?
@@khaoticknightkninja1165 the logic doesnt sound right, its like u guys want peter to be spider-man forever, no wonder we gettin dookie ass spider-man stories after omd.
I will only know Miles Morales as Miles Morales Spiderman since saying spiderman can be confusing since there are lot of versions of spiderman with different names.
It’s all done in bad faith to serve an ideological agenda and to attack and label those against it as a ist or a phobe. That’s why it isn’t genuine and it’s designed with intent to be regressive under the guise of “progress”. They’re only doing it to attack “whites” or “straight” people, in other worlds it’s just another weaponized arm of the communist agenda at play to demoralize and attack western culture through entertainment. Comic books like movies or books are just another tool by these people to influence and indoctrinate. There’s no creative or original substance to any of it because it’s not the goal or they simply can’t because the ideology is all they think of. The same way Antfa or BIM want to tear down statues or burn the flag or kneel at the national anthem. We are dealing with an enemy from within that’s intentionally poisoning the well and then pretends to be insulted when you call them out.
Ice Man was changed back in 2012 by Bendis to be gay, way before the gay bisexual Tim Drake which did not make sense during the OG run of the character.
What I will always find funny about this is that nobody refers to Miles as "Spider-Man", he's always refered to as "Miles Morales", yet Parker is called Spider-Man even when not in the suit.
Well no shit it's convenient bc ppl like you would assume if I say Spiderman I'm talking abt Peter bc he's the first. Like there's multiple flashs but they aren't called the flash
My issue is in almost every form of media, whenever there’s Peter, people want Miles in that universe to tailgate after him. I like the thought of Miles being alone in his universe. Miles also has to take Peter’s rogues and a Gwen as a love interest. I don’t mind his uncle as a nemesis, and it was a breath of fresh air to see him have an original love interest in Hailey from the PS4 game.
My personal issue is that they keep treating miles like a child. He should been left NY and patrolled Chicago with Starling(Vulture's Granddaughter). Spider-Man' problem is that there's too many of them in one spot. Miles fighting Black Cat was such a waste of time since Felicia and Peter know each other in and out of costume. Then too often he been shown to having the worse Spider-sense, as when Hammerhead cracked his ribs.
@@hellsonly8908 the "a Gwen" from OP and your "Gwen (...) from an alternate universe" is the same. Why is him named Miles Morales if his life will be a copy-paste of Peter's life?
@@DraGanix33 the Gwen referenced by OP and the Gwen mentioned by Hells Only are the same Gwen, Spider-Gwen. Although technically the same as Peter's ex, only one whose story changes a bit in a younger universe up in the multiverse stack. But in the practice it's them Marvel cheap way to erase canon characters with "updated" PC versions.
Well, in regards to Gwen, only the shitty spider-verse movie is going that forced route (cause one of the writers is obsessed with this) with an alternate universe gwen who's the same age as Miles... In the main comics, and every other media, miles and gwen are not a thing and never have been (they are also quite different in age, main canon comic miles is like 15 while main canon spider-gwen is in her early 20s), so at least there's that.
Like John Henry Irons Steel and Luke Fox's Batwing. They have different skill sets and have their own personality that co existing with their inspirations holding the symbol respectfully. They're trying to make the spider bite as a green lantern ring, where anyone can be if deemed "worthy" of the "bite". It's trying to be corp like green lantern.
@Moon of the Dead Technically true, but that's not what he means. It's more like a rando taking over his someone's inheritance, who worked his ass off to become rich and that's not a good look in superhero business.
Stop crying. It's not for nothing that he is called Spiderman because he is the sequel to Peter Parker. Miles Morales is an imaginary character so he doesn't compete with anyone. Peter and Miles belong to the same comic book company. They do what they want with it.
The same way there's only 1 Flash, 1 Batman, 1 Robin, 1 Green Lantern, 1 Captain America, 1 Atom Smasher, 1 Dr Fate, 1 Blue Beetle, 1 Green Arrow, 1 Speedy, 1 Aqualad, and 1 Kid Flash right? Oh wait no, all those heroes have multiple people take up their mantle.........
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id I mean It really depends on how the characters are going to take the previous heroes mantle. Miles Morales was better on the ultimate Universe instead of getting him to 616 universe because Ultimate Peter Died and Miles carried the mantle but in 616 he is just a Spider-Man 2.0!! Miguel O'Hara is the best at taking the mantle of Spider-Man since he is from a distant Dystopian future and the character like Miguel is very different from Peter and dosen't even get the spider bite or the same abilites as Peter he works well as a Spider-Man.
I don't pretend to like him. I just like the potential he has as a character. Not like Marvel is interested in making him his own man, though. He'll always be in Peter's shadow.
@@ajitbengali That's what I'M saying! At least change his name so we can refer to him by his superhero name without having to default to "Miles Morales" so you know who the hell we're talking about.
Maybe he could take the name and suit of the Prowler, knowing that he is Dead, he can use that title to bring safety to the people every time they see him being a héroe instead of a villain You know, like Jason Todd did when he took the name of Red Hood
I’ve never understood the point of needing to see a character like you. Most of the characters that I enjoyed were Iron man, Thor, Wolverine, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Storm, spider man, Mulan, and Tiana. The most I share with any of these characters is either race or gender and that NEVER mattered to me. All I knew as a kid was that they inspired me or I just found them really cool. Maybe I was raised with more self confidence or something but the amount of people who feel like they need to see someone like themself in a piece of media to feel inspired is just sad
You're a liar. If that were the case, you would have no problem with a black actor playing a white actor. The difference is that you are not in the minorities shoes so you think you are better than those who complain. Hypocrisy is not a good thing.
It is a sign of maturity to realize that YOU don’t represent the masses. Symbolism is a powerful thing. Seeing representation of your likeness in any popular medium has a cumulative effect on a culture. Especially growing, impressionable minds.
You won't meet another human less interested in comic books than me, but Eric's insights into to them are more important than the vast majority of normies realize. Props to Eric and his outspoken courage.
Yup, he's showing how sinister these companies actually are when they are attacking ppl for not like their rehashed to death characters. They don't really care about the sjw stuff they are just using them as an excuse.
@@Dragonage2ftw False. It is incredibly important that artistic media regain the ability to transcend shallow subjects such as race and sexuality. It's also just as important to call out the people who virtue signal via things they have no knowledge of.
@@hellsonly8908 Say no more! The fact that you even ask these questions proves our counter-culture's point. Y'all seem incapable of viewing the world beyond the superficial level.
I think ya are also pushin a narrative as marvel is tbh these arguments of miles are very selective these could be said for any other people of color or gender swap like spider Gwen considering miles are least due to revamp has his own distinct differences I think it’s a lil dishonest to make it seem miles is just a copy and paste
@@deee8324 I'm with you in this. Miles is not very defined yet, and he really was a token character at his origin, but if new creators would manage to go in bold directions (like with Spider-Verse), Miles could turn out a good realization of the idea of anybody being able to be behind the mask and the metaphor of younger generations stepping into the grown up world, sharing the mantle with adults. He just needs his own personality. Spider-Verse portrayed him as more artistically inclined rather than scientifically, I see it as a nice change from techy Peter.
I think anyone who genuinely likes Miles is likely a person who only knows him from adaptations. Ultimate Spider-Man was my own start in comics and Miles replacing Peter feels like a downgrade because he feels like Peter but without anything that made Peter interesting. Him being shoved in 616 feels like an afterthought. Even when Peter returns in Ultimate, he steals all of the plot and focus back. This was a very good analysis, Rippa. Probably the best video explaining Miles and why his tokenization is the only thing notable about him.
Can confirm, have only watched Spider-Verse and played PlayStation games. I think Miles being given a more unique, differing personality could express the idea of anyone being able to be behind the mask and the metaphor of younger generations stepping into shoes of adults, but for this to turn out successful Miles' character still has a long way to go. The movie went in the right direction with him being artistic and expressive unlike scientific and techy Peter, but Insomniacs' games make Miles a borderline copypaste of Peter in personality..
I actually liked his introduction in ultimate. I already had the understanding that Ultimate is separate from other continuities so it was a bit easier to swallow peters death and introduce Miles. I’m not sure what I liked about it at the time to be honest I just thought it was a neat idea. Never would I imagine he would be such a hot topic. The spider verse is not at all that interesting to me, and unfortunately that’s all Miles is to me now. Just another random ass Spider-Man from some random ass timeline.
The best part about the people that pretend to like him is to ask them what they like about it exactly. They almost never can come up with any answer that wouldn't make them sound like the racists they are (ie they like him because he is black spider-man). The funny part is how since the movie they went in full circular logic: "I liked the movie so that mean I like the character". And let's be honest here, that movie, into the spiderverse, would have been at least as popular, if not way more, if it only had Parker as main character.
Whoever would have been the MC would have brought their own thing onto the table Peter Gwen Noir ...well except spider pig..at most he's good for comedy n all
@@kamwaty Now Way Home basically is the point Pers0n is making. It was techincally a Live Action Spider-verse movie that talked about trauma, lost and how to be Spider-Man.
I like Miles cuz the movie made him cool and I have no idea how "lame" he is cuz I don't read his comics. Or marvel in general really. I only read DC, specifically Superman
Related: Many folks crossing their arms yelling “Wakanda Forever,” but how many of them read even the Ta-Nahisi Coates Black Panther, much less the Stan Lee or Christopher Priest run?
There was a page where Luke Cage tells Miles that Spider-Man is now a person of color and he should be proud or be aware of that. It was weird in that Cage is basically telling Miles he's only important because he's Black Spider-Man. It's like telling Miguel O Hara he's only important because he's Future Mexican Spider-Man. Edit: I don't hate Miles, but I feel as tho he's quite bland as a character and would benefit detaching himself from the name Spider-Man. Some cartoons are already doing it with renaming him as Kid Arachnid (sounds dumb, but he technically can transition into just being Arachnid) or Spin. That way, some won't get uppity about him sharing the Spider-Man name and he gets to have comic cover that isn't literally his name.
Which is even more funny because Miguel is pretty much the ONLY 2099 character anybody liked and the fact he was part Mexican meant exactly zero. People just found his presonality snd situation interesting.
@@danielcraig9666 To be fair, the 2099 timeline started with him and imo the only who got an interesting look. I liked his villains tho, Flipside and Venom 2099, but it has been a while since I read his stuff.
Man. It's great to see Rippa doing a comic book breakdown video like this. You can tell he's going in. No F's given. As much as I tolerated the Ultimate Marvel Universe, it ultimately became an excuse to have the writers to do whatever they wanted with their characters. Canon be screwed. That, the New 52, and some personal issues at home were some of the reasons why I stopped reading comics for a while. Marvel had to give Miles his own Clone Saga, a Spider-Man story that was hated, mind you, to get more readers to buy his comics. They're throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. What's next? Miles Morales: One More Day? Dear God, I gave them an idea...
I read almost all of the ultimate universe (i havet read ultimate enemy) and my God it's amazing how Ultimate Spider-man and to some extent the Ultimates 1 and 2 have consistent quality, while the rest is a mess. Ultimate X-men was the worst and by the end of all it made me hate Kitty Pride with passion.
@@emaldon7 I'm fine with alternate universe takes. Just don't be lazy and you can get good stories. It allows you to go in directions mainline 616 can't.
Absolutely a token black character in my eyes No original villians just Peter's No original love interest just Peter's He will never be spiderman in my eyes
Stan Lee said the beauty of Spiderman is that you can imagine anyone under the mask but he also said he doesn’t like changing established characters and would prefer to just make new ones. Now for me legacy mantles aren’t bad I mean look at Batman Beyond It’s mainly how you handle them and the problem with Miles’s introduction in the comics was that he was only made and given the mantle because of current day social politics, this was popular at first but eventually people just wanted Peter Parker again. back in those days if there was more to the character that made him unique and interesting most people would’ve liked Miles but due to the fact that most readers saw him as a Peter Parker clone with nothing to stand out interest dropped until Into The Spiderverse. Into The Spiderverse took Miles’s character and made him unique and interesting in ways that even some of his critics began to actually like his character. He was focused on as an individual not a current check box & more people began to like Miles in that movie because that version of the character was made and handled for more interesting and well written reasons then just being a Peter Parker Clone or current day social politics. But despite the fact that legacy mantle characters can be handled well and successful or badly and horrible at the end of the day the original or iconic version of the character is what most people identify with. Terry became Batman in universe of The DCAU but we call him Batman Beyond for a reason. He’s a great character but he isn’t Bruce Wayne. The same thing happened when all many of The Robins got the mantle of Batman, even if the story was good eventually people wanted Bruce Wayne as Batman again and The Robins as The Robins. The beauty of legacy characters is that passing down the mantle/torch is inspiring when written well and can be entertaining based on how you handle the story & characters like how Batman Beyond & Into The Spiderverse did but the downside is that legacy characters aren’t they’re own characters. They are tied to the original or iconic versions and since those characters are number 1 for many, they’ll always be seen as secondary to them. This is why original characters usually have more potential then legacy characters. So when people say Miles Morales is Miles Morales & Peter Parker is Spider-Man , it isn’t racism, or bigotry it’s usually due to the fact that for many are fans of the original character before the legacy character. I personally have no issue with saying Miles Morales is Spiderman because like I said legacy characters aren’t inherently an issue for me I love legacy stories when done well, but in my mind I’m saying Miles Morales is a Spider-Man, not The Spider-Man, Just like I’d think Bucky Barnes & Sam Wilson become versions of Captain America, not that they are The Captain America, because Captain America in mind will always truly be Steve Rogers. The lesson we can learn here is that legacy stories can be well made and legacy characters can be interesting with hard work and good writing put in but eventually they’ll have to be sidekicks, partners basically secondary characters to the original or iconic versions that came before because they can never truly replace them for people. For a new character that you want to have their own status has to always be original because while legacy characters can be well made they’ll always just be legacy characters to people which is just another version. T’Challa was replaced by his sister as Black Panther people didn’t like that either and The Black Panther comics were going downhill at that point anyway. Legacy characters can be made and I’m behind them being made because I always loved legacy stories as a matter of fact I’m one of the few old comic book fans that believes you can make these new legacy characters in DC & Marcel good if you strip out all the modern wokeness and actually put great writing quality behind them but they can never fully replace the original or iconic characters and they have to be mainly side characters in that original or iconic Mythos they can still have solo stories but they have to tie back into that particular Mythos so while fans can enjoy these new characters and other new characters with better creative writing put in they can still enjoy the original and /or iconic characters that mean so much to them with better interesting creative writing. The only new characters that should fully have their own status like the originals and or Iconic ones should be the new original characters that have their own identity. If legacy characters transition from mantle sidekicks & secondary characters to their own full identities then the same applies and if they’re are characters that start off as new original characters and go to a mantle of an older original and or iconic character the same rule of side character/secondary/sidekicks applies. I believe that will solve the problem for many older and newer audiences not all but many. No more replacing, and no more changing or downgrading characters to replace them either. If you’re making a legacy character they need to be well written & interesting to be liked but sadly they’ll usually always be secondary to what came before. That’s the most likely scenario Now if your making a new character with they’re own legacy & mantle or taking a legacy character and giving them they’re own identity, legacy and mantle then the potential goes up especially with good writing and storytelling. There’s a reason Dick Grayson got more popular when as the first Robin he became Nightwing, or Jason Todd The Second Robin became The Redhood, even Tim Drake The Third Robin becoming Red Robin, or Barbara as Batgirl becoming Oracle. You could most likely have the potential to tell great stories with them in The Batman mantle with a legacy theme but if you try to write that they stay there forever people will loose interest & eventually they’ll just want Bruce Wayne back as Batman. Because he is The Batman. “As the indefatigable 92-year-old superhero conjurer and Marvel Comics chairman emeritus sees it, fan backlash up until this point hasn't so much been spurred on by racism as much as unyielding fealty to the source material. "They're outraged not because of any personal prejudice, Lee says. "They're outraged because they hate to see any change made on a series and characters they had gotten familiar with. In Spider-Man, when they got a new actor, that bothered them, even though it was a white actor. I don't think it had to do with racial prejudice as much as they don't like things changed.” “I wouldn't mind. if Peter Parker had originally been black. a Latino, an lndian or anything else that he stay that way. But we originally made him white. I dont see any reason to change that. It has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti-black, or anti-Latino, or anything like that. Latino characters should stay Latino. The Black Panther should certainly not be Swiss. I just see no reason to change that which has already been established when it's so easy to add new characters.” - Stan Lee
Jaime(Blue Beetle) I thought was perfect representation of what passing the mantle should be, now being Captain America, Iron-Man, Flash etc isn't exciting or unique because there are a dozen characters just like them, like the Avengers, Earths Mightiest Heroes but there are multiple teams named the Avengers, its not special if everyone has it.
Quick pre-clarification: I don't read comics on a daily/weekly/monthly basis, but I like the logic and reasoning behind your essay. Most comments, regardless of medium, are anecdotal or passively weak (including mine sometimes), but your essay did not just bring up the Lee's quote, but anylzed it quite throughly with nuance. Granted, i don't remember hearing that quote before, but I wholeheartedly agree with you on what Lee meant. It's not what the character is, but who they are as a character.
@@burtonthegrape9217 that’s a good point The Blue Beatle Mantle was a great example and the original characters who were Blue Beatle aren’t as iconic with the current generation are they are with the past generation like Alan Scott & Jay Garrick so Jaime won’t always feel secondary in his roles as Blue Beetle like most characters who take mantle especially legends like Terry McGinnis or Dick Grayson.
All of the reasons I like Miles are because of the Spiderverse film. I'm willing to give the second one a shot, but the fact that one of the Spider-themed heroes is a preggo woman swinging around, she's gonna be pissing out that baby once the 9 months are up.
Miles is not a interesting character, he just a biracial version of peter parker; even the creator admitted it. His story of the home life, main love interest Gwen Stacy, personality with the comedic jokes, and a father figure who is his uncle getting shot by a criminal then gives an inspirational speech; all copy and paste from Peter Parker story. The reason the movie did so well is because you had the real spider-man in that film. Without peter, it wouldnt have done well. Eric July has stated and explained countless time Miles is a tokenized character of the real Spider- man Peter Parker, yet some folks still want to refuse otherwise.
@@nemomakkie111 The main character of spiderverse is miles morales spider-man. The movie portrayed his character well and added new aspects to his character And not to mention his Video game which also did very well.
@@nemomakkie111 Okay. I've never refuted or countered the fact that Miles is a biracial Peter Parker, I just said I liked him in Spiderverse. Can you not bite my fucking head off about that for at least a day, please?
@@nemomakkie111 let's not oversimplify things. The film is an outstanding piece of animation, good enough to succeed on its own merits. Obviously all the cool Spidey version helped, but let's appreciate the animation quality and the writing.
Miles could work if he was a sidekick like Robin or Kid-Flash, with his own name like Kid Arachnid or Spy-D, and having his own love interest and villains.
@@toxiclullaby2083 I'm brown and latino, not white, you're probably imerse in that victim x opressor mentality, everyone who disagrees with you is labeled as white opressor. And no, he does not work, he is always using Peter's elements and need other spiders, specialy Peter, to have some relevance. After years marvel has been pushing his character into everything and he still don't have a current popular comic book. Peter Parker, Captain America, Batman, Green Lantern, Hulk, Flash, Wonder Woman, Superman earned their popularity and didn't need to stole other stories, support characters, love interest, villains, costume, name.
@@toxiclullaby2083 I am colombian and i hate when people tell me that anyone can take the place of Peter Parker as Spiderman, i mean, is like if you wanted to replace Batman or Superman with some random, you can't
No he can’t work. The real Peter Parker would never take in a sidekick, he would never allow someone else to put his life in danger while wearing spider-man’s insignia, because he is haunted by the deaths of several people he feels responsible for. That’s the biggest reason I hate Miles Morales, when he’s in the same universe as spider-man, he makes the Peter Parker character worse, because he makes him throw away his sense of responsibility.
It’s so dumb how one gets called racist for saying he’s a tokenized version of a more popular character (in which he is) and it’s not racist with how marvel made that comic of “what if moles morales was Thor” reinforcing black stereotypes.
Well most people kinda are he's not a tokenized version of Peter that's stupid he's his own thing being a token is just a black character being there with no purpose its not the case for Miles and I'm getting tired of these guys who don't read comics or anything else and have people agree with them cause he is black and yes I agree that Thor thing was bad and kinda racist but that bad comic doesn't define Miles like the new Peter Parker comics don't define Peter
@@theflyguy2133 You just assume I don’t read comics? He 💯 is a tokenized character he was created for an agenda. And I don’t criticize the character because he’s black. I am fine with black characters but characters such as Blade, Luke Cage, Black panther, Blue marvel (examples of black characters that I like) weren’t used for an agenda in the comics. People criticize miles because he doesn’t have ONE iconic storyline in the comics. He’s had other relationships with girls besides Gwen but then again why give him Peters ex? Why give him powers that derive from Jessica drew? If he’s his own thing then why does marvel use him for comics like what if he became Thor, captain America, falcon, wolverine, and hulk? It makes no damn sense! Even with the spider-verse movie had him foreshadowed to be destined to become another character besides Spider-Man. It’s just the truth. No one needs to have the same skin color as a comic book character to relate to them. People love Peter because of his character. They can relate to him because he never catches a break. He constantly juggles things and his responsibility of being Spider-Man ALWAYS gets in the way of his life as Peter Parker.
@honestabe7373 He does. I mean his origin story and him being a leader in Spider Gedon. Not many people read comics, but the time he was tortured for days to thebput point, he didn't know if anything was real or a test or his biggest one being the one who kills Captain America in Civil War 2. So what's the problem with Miles having that one power that Jessica Drew? Jesus Marvel did that once and literally did it with Gwen, and plus, it's what if there is literally a story where Spider-Man gets eaten for marrying Black Widow. It's not skin color, yes, and that is what makes Peter so great, making him relatable, Miles deals with the same problem in life and still is a cool and instructing character and him being Spider-Man also gets in his way.
@@theflyguy2133 I’m just saying it’s derivative because that power was originally Jessica Drew’s. But the character in itself was 100% made to check a box. Being fair his character is somewhat more interesting in the movies than the comics. He’s had similar story beats to Peter with getting the black costume and a clone saga. These were stories already presented for Peter. Why not have something else for miles???? Why can’t marvel make more villains for miles instead of him fighting Peters villains constantly? It’s all derivative. Why have him come to 616 when there’s already a Spider-Man that’s operating in that universe. Miles is 15 minutes away from Peter. It made sense for Terry in Batman beyond because Bruce was of old age and had to operate in the same manner that Barbara Gordon did as Oracle. The character has been rebooted many times already since his creation.
@honestabe7373 Who was made to check a box Jessica or Miles? Miles never got the black suit he did get the carnage symbiote. The only time he did get that suit was in Dark Ages. I get what you mean with clone saga, but in personal opinion, Miles does it better and a little more interesting. I agree that, yes, Miles should get his own villains more like the Assessor, Miles fight Peter villains isn't like a big thing. it's like Nightwing is his own thing, but he still fights Batman villains. Cause they wanted the Ultimate universe to end cause it was just a bad universe. The only thing good that came out of it was Miles, and they wanted to keep him. I get what you mean, but there is also an entire Bat-Family in Gotham, and all of them coexist and do great. Miles is like a Nightwing. You can say not like a sidekick, but when Spider-Man dies or Batman, they take over that role.
Can’t wait to see Miles Morales live action movie played by Robert Downey Jr as Kirk Lazarus “I’m a dude (Kirk Lazarus) playing a dude (Miles Morales) disguised as another dude (Peter Parker).”
Compared to Miguel O'Hara, Miles is always being compared and seen as shadow of Peter. Miguel is basically a spiderman from the distant future and he became spiderman because there was no spiderman in the year 2099 plus Miguel was more of spiderman with some gray morality he faces some re-imagine futuristic spiderman villains but the main villain or villain organization is Alchemax. Miles he just a token version Peter the only difference his is race and he still has family he has no original villain he only faces Peter.
I would say other differences would be he’s not as smart but also very artistic in his creations due to spiderverse and the game I wouldn’t really say he’s a token version cause that could be the same for Miguel who’s Spanish
@@deee8324 yeah but that wasn't address until the spiderverse movie, the comics had some but not as much mainly because they didn't know what direction to give him
@@zetamangads I agree but that’s why the movie was made and I see miles as more of a artistic person then a tech genius although there the game but i they reference in the game that miles makes beats
@@zetamangads I agree but that’s why the movie was made I see miles as more of an artistic person then a tech genius and even in the game although it’s a lil different he referenced as a music producer in the game
@@deee8324 which is basically saying "this character is just a empty sheel for Peter so we are going to fix him to make him somewhat unique" I don't mind miles and him being spiderman but many people want him to be his unique hero since his powers in either comics, games and movies are not related to the spiderman yeah web slinging is part of hit but the rest.
Miles was created to, as Drinker likes to say, "reflect the world we live in today". That very foundation of the character is misguided and even paradoxical with the whole concept of superheroes.
He ain’t lying, I was TikTok and came across a video of a dude being in a video chat room dressed up as miles and when he took his mask off people were like “oh your black” or “ hey come over here, look a black spiderman” or SpiderMan isn’t black “ It’s like people don’t know who miles is and nor haven’t seen the spider verse movie, I was shocked to be honest watching people’s reactions
The same way there's only 1 Flash, 1 Batman, 1 Robin, 1 Green Lantern, 1 Captain America, 1 Atom Smasher, 1 Dr Fate, 1 Blue Beetle, 1 Green Arrow, 1 Speedy, 1 Aqualad, and 1 Kid Flash right? Oh wait no, all those heroes have multiple people take up their mantle.........
STAN LEE: *"l wouldn’t mind, if PETER PARKER had originally been black, a latino, an indian or anything else, that he stay that way. But we originally made him white. l don’t see any reason to change that. lt has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti-black, or anti-latino, or anything like that. Latino characters should stay latino. The BLACK PANTHER should certainly not be swiss. l just see no reason to change that which has already been established- when it’s so easy to add new characters. l say create new characters the way you want to. Hell, l’II do it myself!"*
@@yigitorhan7654 Miguel does because he's the next Spider-Man after Peter's long dead. same goes for Terry McGinnis, albeit his mentor retiring instead.
Tbh I would've made miles the next prowler instead of another spider person. He could've started off slightly antagonistic before peter took him under his wing as a sidekick and then he could've branched off from there
Exactly. It's right there, from his powers to the connection to prowler and Peter. It's not even that difficult, his origin could have been similar to the rocket racer episode from the 90s serise or the first episode of tnas from 2003.
The spider-verse movie is designed to make the audience feel that Peter Parker (from any universe) must be replaced by miles, the first spidey, the one who died, is an egomaniac, all is about “ me, me,me, me” he was never like that, he doesn't do everything he does for his ego, he does it, because he feels it's his obligation, his duty, "With great power comes great responsibility" the second Peter Parker, the scriptwriters literally destroyed his life, they took the love out of his life, they ridiculed him, but there are 3 moments that caught my attention in the development of this Peter Parker, the first, is when miles tells Peter "a great power..." and Peter stops him, telling him that he is sick of that phrase, the phrase that has been the essence of SpiderMan, the legacy of his uncle Ben, the phrase that turned him into Spider-Man, the most beloved phrase of Stan Lee his creator, thrown into the bin by himself the other moment that called my attention, is much more subtle, when Gwen is about to die, is saved by Miles, this is a clear reference to original Gwen's death, when Peter can't save her, the message is hidden but clear, Peter fails in equal circumstances, and the last one, where Peter is totally dominated by Miles, and Peter submissively accepts that Miles is now in charge, not caring that he's just a kid, he lets him anyway. how I see it, miles is not just a token, is a leecher who sucks everything from Peter, even Peter’s first love, ironic, since he was originally thought of as a gay man, but they did not dare to do it this way
Two other points. 1. Every "Peter Parker" is linked to the past, the fist dies, the second is over-the-hill, the third is from the 30's. The other Spidey are young, hip, some even have a tech battle suit. 2. When they say "For my [Insert relative]", each spidey says Ben, Miles says his Uncle, Gwen mentions Peter as "My Friend", when she's supposed to be Peter's love, some writers going so far as to say she was her One True Love. That's why I have no intention to buy it or even watch it full, it's a 2 hour piece to make you believe Peter is old fashioned and has to be replaced, he's not that important anyway given Gwen doesn't consider him this much.
This reminds me of my issue with Falcon in the MCU. Coulda been built as his own character but rather was demoted to cheap tokenization of Captain America. And the issue with these more recent tokenized characters is that they are never famous beyond the fact that they are tokenized which should show the problem of tokenization.
@RATDA 9000 name 1 reason why Bucky becoming Captain America out of nowhere would make any sense. His character arc had a lot of holes left in it, he spent many decades as the worst Assasin against American Interests, he's had no time to develop on his own, he's a man out of time with no experience as a superhero at all.
The Stan Lee quote is so simple to understand yet no one does. Everyone can see themselves as Spider-Man for two reasons: 1. As Spider-Man, absolutely NO ONE knows who's under that mask. He could literally be ANYONE. Your neighbor, the mailman, the guy who spilled coffee on your pants in the packed subway train the other day. ANYONE. And as a regular bystander, what difference does it make? You'll never know and if you did find out, it wouldn't matter; Peter Parker is as much a nobody as anyone. 2. As Peter Parker, he represents the best traits of mankind. He's a kid from the lower parts of NYC who isn't very popular, isn't very attractive (at first), and he doesn't live a lavish life. He constantly lives from check to check, and his life with the mask off is (usually) in shambles. Despite all of this, he keeps going. He cracks jokes to keep from being crushed by the responsibility and seriousness of his mission. He very, VERY rarely falls into deep despair or stays there for long. He tries his best to do what's right and see the good in others, even his own enemies; even when his own life is falling to pieces. Because he knows just how steep the price of ignorance and apathy truly are. Spider-Man/Peter Parker is a reflection of the goodness in everyone. That's why anyone can see themselves as him. He's the part of you that would rush to get put of your car on the Highway to pull a woman from a burning car wreck.
I like Miles's *potential.* His actual character is laughably basic which is a shame since his power set could easily make for a Scarlet Spider style spin-off hero. His one actually interesting villain is Prowler and beyond that...he's sorta just a mouthpiece for whatever nonsense the writer wants to push. edit: Goddamn, I didn't even know they took Prowler from earlier comics. They really gaslit people hard with Miles.
Except that isn’t even true. Spiderwoman didn’t get her powers that way, Spider-Man 2099 didn’t either, the only characters who did are alternate versions of Peter, spider Gwen who was meant to be just what if Peter didn’t get the spider powers but Gwen did, and silk who fuckin sucks like miles. Miles is one of the only alternate spider people who got his powers just like peter
I'll never understand the point of the kid His story should be about finding his OWN identity as a superhero, not leech off the success of a pre-existing character. Although it could be to some extent at the start of his journey but then have him forge his own identity as time goes on and he matures through experience but that would require EFFORT from the writers
There's a TH-camr that I watched alot named Godzillamendoza that made a video about Miles saying he likes the idea the problem is that the writers don't know what to do with him. He said that Into the spiderverse was a good start for giving him a personality but we all know what happened next. Surprised that he didn't make a video talking about it. Writers didn't learned from Into the Spiderverse and instead made the Miles problem even worse.
Remember, even Miles himself said he doesn't want to be the Black Spider-Man he wants to be Spider-Man. Something that almost everyone just calls him. Everytime I hear someone him the black Spider-Man I always think back to that moment in the comic.
The same way there's only 1 Flash, 1 Batman, 1 Robin, 1 Green Lantern, 1 Captain America, 1 Atom Smasher, 1 Dr Fate, 1 Blue Beetle, 1 Green Arrow, 1 Speedy, 1 Aqualad, and 1 Kid Flash right? Oh wait no, all those heroes have multiple people take up their mantle.........
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id correct, although I'm ok with multiple robins, cause obviously one "dies" one leaves to become a super hero in his own right. One leaves and becomes a vigilante/ anti hero.
Thank you Rippa for telling the truth on the greatest token in comics. Miles is basically Peter but in another skin tone. None of his stories are ever talked about. All of ppl that claim that it's time for a black Spiderman don't buy Miles Morales Spiderman books. They only want him in the movies so they can "see themselves."
kids don't read comic books anymore, Miles is the spider-man for the young kids, peter is old and will be replaced, they tried with Ben Reily but people were still attached to peter all those are old people like Rippa now, eventually Miles will the only spider-man people will know
@Eclisis nobody like the Miles Comics because all Comics suck these days. Everyone prefers Manga and Cartoons. This is why Demon Slayer outsold the entire American Comic Book Industry. Into the Spiderverse has the highest rating of any Spiderman movie and Miles became well liked because they fixed his origin story and motivations.
Wasn't Miles also Wolverine and Thor at some point? Does he even have a rogue's gallery that's not a ripoff of Peter's rogue's gallery? What's going on with this character?
You realize that's very common in Comics right? Flash Thomspon, Mac Gargan, and Harry Osborn were Venom for a while as an example. Dr Octopus was Spiderman for a couple of years, Tim Drake became Batman for a while, Damien Wayne as well. Its very common for caharcters to take up other mantles temporarily. Hell Bruce Wayne was disguised as Clark Kent on many occasions and Superman has been Batman before.
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id Perhaps to present a new concept after a while. But Miles Morales is very fresh compared to the other characters you have listed. Some have been around for 50+ years. There is no reason for Miles to be stagnating so early at this point where writers have to give him new mantles as a "fresh take," what-ifs or otherwise. He JUST started being Spider-Man.
@Brian A. meaning we have decades to build on him same as the others. There was a time when people threw a fit at Barry Allen and Wally West replacing their predecesors. I don't even see how Miles and Peter are all that similar when they have completely different backrounds and motivations. Peter has money troubles, Miles doesn't, Peter has no parents and his Uncle died, Miles has both parents and a Villian Uncle, Peter is a solo act, Miles either works with Peter or has Genke as his "guy in the chair," Peter peimarily focuses on Queens and Modtown Manhatten, while Miles operates in Harlem and isn't as likely to go through the rest of New York, Peter is a super genius who can design his own gera, Miles gets hand me downs and Shield Tech, Peter learned with great power comes great responsibility after his Uncle was killed because he didn't stop the killer before, Miles feels guilty because he didn't find Peter himself and didn't work with him whwn he had the chance, Miles goes to a Tech School while Peter goes to a regular High School, Miles' father hates all Mutants over the Ultimatum Wave Magneto used to kill Millions of people in New York, May Parker hates Spiderman specifically in many incarnations for weird reasons, Miles is far more awkward, doubtful, and goofy as both himself and Spiderman/Kid Arachnid, while Peter is a loud mouth, hot headed, wise cracking, and cocky bastard in battle. Peter is constantly struggling to make ends meet and his personal life is heavily affected by his career as Spiderman, while Miles generally struggles to balance the two but has the advantage of two good parents and financial security. Peter refuses to give up being Spiderman over his guilt while Miles retires for several years without issue. These two have a lot of differences.
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id "meaning we have decades to build on him " so then build on him first. Again, does he even have a rogue's gallery that's not a ripoff of Peter's rogue's gallery?
Spider verse: marvel's Spider-Man games: Literally any modern depiction of the character: This criticism worked back when Brian Michael Bendis still wrote the character exclusively but that's not the case and Miles clearly has his own personality, if you can't see that there's definitely something wrong with the Way your brain works, you can still not like his current character but he's not just "black/Latino Spider-Man"
Tbf his depiction in the Spiderverse movies is actually pretty good but the fact that it took 10 years for him to even feel like an actual character and it wasn't even Marvel that pulled it off... Well that's just sad.
I liked Miles when he wasn’t just a spider copy. He was introduced as one in Ultimate, but he adopted the name Kid Arachnid, which a much better name for his superhero persona. That was where Miles Morales peaked unfortunately…
I don’t mind him having another name when he’s in the same universe as Peter. When Gwen realized there was already a Spider-Woman, she changed her name to Ghost-Spider. Miles CAN do something similar, but the names these shows like Ultimate Spider-Man and Marvel’s Spider-Man (both Disney XD), and fans are coming up with ain’t it. “Kid Arachnid” and “Spy-D” are some goofy ass names.
@@Adamairball in Spiderman ultimate TV show his name in his universe is Ultimate spiderman however once he and what's left of his family travel to peters earth he goes by the name kid arachnid and Peter goes by spiderman
I liked miles about as much as any other clone character which is not that much. It's always interesting to see it as a one off or a what if alternate timeline kinda stuff but the longer they stick around the more bothersome they become
I'll just drop in here what I've discussed with friends before: As much as I enjoyed Into the Spider-verse, I attribute it's success more to the other alternate universe Spider-Men than to Miles. He was by far the least interesting part of the movie, *despite being the protagonist*. In my opinion at least. He just sort of felt like the vehicle that drove the plot into the stage for other Spideys to show up and not much else. Yes he grows and develops during the course of the movie, but he's still massively overshadowed by everyone else, even by the character that's just Looney Tunes with a Spider-Man costume: Spider-Ham. Because even that is more interesting than just some guy randomly stumbling upon a radioactive spider that felt like biting him and giving him electricity and invisibility for some reason. Peter's spider had context as to why it was there, why it was radioactive and why it bit Peter. Miles, to my knowledge doesn't exactly have a specified origin (in the movie) and just so happens to find him in a subway and bite him because his "spiderness" needed to happen.
SPOILERS FOR ACROSS THE SPIDERVSE!!! The spider comes from another universe, as hinted to in the first movie. Also, does there HAVE to be a reason why that spider was there? Why was Gwen's Spider at her rock practice to bite her? That arguement that "we have to know why Miles got bit and that it can't be for just some reason" is just flawed in multiple ways.
@@Adamairball Where was that hinted at? Enlighten me. Yes there has to be one. If the creators present an event, but don't bother to explain it, (through events in the story or through exposition) then it just becomes plot convenience. It'd be the same thing if Bruce Banner didn't have the context of being exposed to copious amounts of gamma radiation that turns him into The Hulk and he just randomly became a green giant and started wrecking things. Unlike what your last statement seems to imply, this isn't something new or exclusive to Miles. People are just affording him the same scrutiny as other characters. If everyone else gets to have a justification for their powers, then why should he be excluded? It's as simple as: Don't bring up questions to your audience that you won't answer, or will only do so much, much later. I haven't watched the sequel so I'll take your word for it that it's revealed there that the spider came from a different universe. In this regard I can only speak for myself when I say that despite the sequel having shown it, it was too late for me to regain interest for the character. 5 years too late, to be precise. If people only started mentioning that now, to me it speaks volumes at how good of a job the first movie did at hinting at the fact his spider wasn't from the same universe.
@@Skulls-for-Cats First of all, the spider was glitching like all the Spider people and animals that came from the other universes. Second, we know that the spider was turned radioactive somehow and then we see how it bit Miles. We do not need to see how the spider became radioactive, considering that that's already been established in previous media. We don't see why the spider in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man is radioactive, does that make it a problem? No. That's basically the exact argument you're making, that we need to know how the spider became radioactive.
@@Adamairball I just looked up some clips and I didn't see no glitches. Only colourful transitions and screen flashes. No glitches in the scene where he gets bitten, unless there's a prior scene that shows Miles' spider and I just don't remember. We 'know' it's radioactive because that's how it works with the majority of the other Spider-blanks. One of the only exceptions is Noir, who was bitten by a "highly venomous spider kept inside a spider-god idol", though the movie incorrectly has him state that his case was also a radioactive one. Spider-Ham gets to stay correct but not him I guess. The argument I am making is that we didn't know where the spider came from until the second movie, as per your own admission. What we saw in the first movie is a very clearly abnormal spider just descending onto his hoodie and shortly after biting his hand. The audience is only made to assume his spider also came from a laboratory or something pertaining to science (as Peter's came from a science exhibit) since that's the most common case. While I will concede that, to my knowledge, it's not known under what circumstances Peter's spider was conceived (if we stick strictly to the comics and ignore the animated interpretations for argument's sake) we at least know WHERE it came from. Sure, both Peter and Miles' situations were highly unlikely, but at the very least Peter was in a location where lots of live spiders were on display due to the exhibit, and we're told some were genetically altered. So the odds of him getting bitten are at least more plausible than some teenager being in a subway at just the perfect time for a spider to go and bite him. Not to mention, with Peter, the spider was tiny and it landed on his hand and bit him while he was distracted, Miles' was much bigger and crawled onto his hand, STARTING FROM THE NECK DOWN. And he still somehow didn't notice or feel it, even though he not only reached for his pocket to take out his phone, but held his arm on the same pose to take a picture. He was one coincidence away from not becoming Spider-Man, all he had to do was kill it while it was crawling under his clothes and he would have just become some guy watching spider themed superheroes swinging about.
@@Skulls-for-Cats Still, it barley even matters in the movie. Also, there is a moment later in the movie where Miles goes back to see the spider, and, from what I remember, the spider glitches and that scares Miles, causing him to jump back.
Like Miles but because there was an missed potential of opportunity of what he could’ve been like for us fans. When I first discovered miles I liked the costume Because well red and black look badass but like he’d be different than Peter Parker but when I realized he’s just a Black version of Peter Parker when I read the comics as his origins is similar to the homecoming like his best friend is similar to Ned and like to build legos. I still think there’s potential of miles being his own rather than being a sidekick or a copy paste. Maybe he’d be a different kind of Spider-Man but with the same powers as Kid Arachnid or Arachkid. Miles Morales deserves better as character
Uhhhh you have that backwards. Miles character was ripped off in Spiderman Homecoming..............Miles didn't copy Peter in the MCU, Peter copied Miles in those movies. Ned was inspired by Geenke and look how well liked his character is.
@@goldtiger9453 Ned Leeds was one of the several Hobgoblins in Comics decades ago. Miles Friend is named Genke and is similar but has no dark side to him. He's not even Asian in Comics. Did you research this at all?
@@CatVideoEr Let's see. Miles has unique abilities that Peter doesn't. Miles isnt an orphan, unlike Peter. Miles is more creative and artistic, while Peter is more of a traditional nerd. Miles stories are more community driven, thematically. Miles is actually more reserved and introspective than Peter. Etc.
You know how you know miles a token version that marvel writers that didnt put too much effort in the characterization of the miles. Remember the what if stories of miles as different heroes and they had nothing going for them but just the black versions of themselves
Yes yes! I was having a discussion with someone about that. And also with the new spider verse movie Sony literally put foreshadowing in the first film that he was meant to become someone else and not Spider-Man and that is further demonstrated with the sequels ending.
5:53 so instead of creating a new hero that could have been one of those "big world superheroes" they decided to do another boring Jr character of an already existing character...
I’ve someone use the scene from Spider-Verse of “There’s only Spider-Man, and you’re looking at him” *winks* in order to get their point across and it’s _super_ ironic because the guy behind that quote gets killed later on and it’s brutal
Peter Parker - A nerd who likes to read and works hard which eventually pays off because of his genius intellect and with his smarts it helps him get the girl of his dreams. Generally relatable mutual feeling Miles Morales - A "black" nerd who does graffiti, which is crime but it's suppose to be "representative" of the urban culture in a positive light.
Miles had the potential to be a brand new hero with his own story and rogues gallery. But sadly they went the lazy route and just made him Peter's replacement.
The same way there's only 1 Flash, 1 Batman, 1 Robin, 1 Green Lantern, 1 Captain America, 1 Atom Smasher, 1 Dr Fate, 1 Blue Beetle, 1 Green Arrow, 1 Speedy, 1 Aqualad, and 1 Kid Flash right? Oh wait no, all those heroes have multiple people take up their mantle.........
What’s so interesting about this video is that the numbers show that there might be an audience for Miles but no where near as much as people on Twitter would say. As a Spider-Man fan, I won’t pretend to be caught up with Miles’ comics either, but I’m legit surprised that Miles’ numbers are so low. Although I don’t expect any Spider Verse character to outsell Peter Parker. Peter Parker is the OG, and has been Spider-Man for more than 60 years. No one will ever truly replace Peter Parker as Spider-Man because Peter is just too iconic. Interesting video all around, I wasn’t sure what I was expecting when I clicked this but it wasn’t facts backed up by numbers. Much respect.
I would love for him to scrap the suit and become his own hero kinda like Robin became Nightwing let's have a story like that I really liked into the spider verse I enjoyed the art and soundtrack I fear that spiderman 3000 being the enemy of the sequel won't work well I hope he isn't the big bad and they have someone like chameleon or just anyone but another spiderman be the villain. Have miles transform into his own character instead of copy paste paint light brown lol I've loved Nightwing he isn't a copy of batman he's different uses batons has a glider built into his suit ect.
Great video. Can I suggest you edit the volume of the background music. It’s a bit loud at least until the 10:00 point. But still watchable/listenable.
I think he has great potential as a character, but that he’ll always live in the shadow of Peter Parker because that’s who we all have come to associate with being Spider-Man. It’s a similar issue with Dick Grayson or some other former Robin being Batman; Batman is Bruce Wayne and that’s who we’re always going to think of him as.
I don't know Dick's case is similar because Dick never wanted to be Batman, the moments when Dick is Batman is when Bruce is missing and someone needs to be Batman since Gotham NEEDS Batman. Whenever Bruce returns, Dick returns his identity to him
wouldnt even care if he lives in the shadow of Spiderman. we all exist in the shadow of giants. the greats accept that in humility. Newton was one of the greatest scientists and mathematicians to ever live and still said he could only see far because he stood on the the shoulders of giants (who came before him). guess its a difference in those who want to build on the past and those who want to destroy it in order to pretend they created something new. modern entertainment has nothing new and need to destroy the past to pretend they created.
Miles is fine just dont like when they lie and say he's personality and struggles are unique. Peter went through all the teenage anxiety , learning to be a hero stuff before so what is so f unique about him? Ah yes his "lightsaber" powers...
You're editor's use of Inspirational #4 while you talked really moved me. Make sure they receive the praise they've earned, our attention span never would have survived without the orchestral to synth swap turning in Worship Background #7. Good stuff!
Miles Morales is the only person that Peter is apparently not allowed to get upset about taking the Spiderman title or even costume from him. The guy has enough clones as it is.
I remember when my sister heard miles was in into the spider-verse her response was "oh miles?" then when I asked her if she knew who miles was she said no and then after a few minutes said she did not know why she was excited.
In my opinion, he should have sacrificed himself to save the OG Spider-Man and the whole 616 Universe when the Ultimate Universe collapse into the 616 Universe. His whole thing was that he let the Ultimate Peter Parker dies because he wasn't "ready" or "brave enough". It would have wrapped his arc perfectly. It's kinda weird that he's the only Ultimate Character remaining in the 616. It's pretty much the clone saga all over again but not even acknowledge in the main book lol
I honestly wish they would focus more on 2099 instead of miles tbh, and its weird they said they wanted a mixed race spider-man when Miguel already exists, (Irish/Mexican mix)
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News flash
Peter Parker IS Spider-Man
Miles is a hand me down!
Deal with it!
@@christopherbarker1048As a fan of both characters… I disagree.
@@christopherbarker1048 Excuse me?
@@hellsonly8908 let’s just hand me down all the characters so everyone can like a version…much creativity, much new
Let that salt flow CONSUUUUUUMERS🧂
I can't stand people who say "Little kids who aren't white can now see themselves as Spider-Man because of Miles." I related more to Peter Parker than any non-white comic book superhero growing up in the 80s/90s because of who Peter is, not his race.
Their logic would mean Spider-Man can't be truly relatable to me because I'm Asian and there isn't a popular Asian Spider-Man. It's insulting.
Especially ironic when you remember that for decades, it was said that Spidey’s full-face mask was special because it meant anyone could imagine themselves as Spider-Man, no matter their skin color.
Peter was a grown up and married when I was a kid, I still enjoyed the character.
This. In my honest opinion it's racist to say you can't relate to other characters unless they look like you.
It's really annoying seeing this nonsense. Focus on making a fleshed out character instead of just slapping a shade of brown and calling it a day.
They never think through the reverse. If we're to believe them, then it's not a problem for everyone else to ignore Miles cause they "can't relate" because they don't share skin tone
I'm not caucasian myself,yet there are a lot of characters who don't look like me that I can easily relate to.
I liked him til the latest game when they said Peter doesn’t save low income people, it’s literally 80% of what he does, so now miles has to, It’s ridiculous
I had the exact same thought. "He's OUR Spiderman." 🤔
Wtf Why in the hell would they make him say that?
What! He said that in the game!
They can’t resist shitting on Peter in every way
Who is they I don't believe anyone said that at all
Ironically as a black kid dealing with racism in the early 2000s, from a majority white neighborhood it was spiderman, Peter Parker that gave me a sense of belonging in this world. Because he was an outcast in his world I felt a strong connection to him. I was excited for the creation of miles morales, as he was created when I was in high school at the height of my comic book interest. But he didn't have the same impact Peter Parker had on me. Crazy to think about.
@Dr. Savage Agreed. I’m also Hispanic and I never felt a closeness to miles but I did with Peter. It’s insane how many spider-men there are now it’s insane and ridiculous.
honestly man, if they just stuck to playing on Ultimate's strength. Miles Morales as a new Spiderman in a city that just lost Spiderman. but they threw him into 616 bleh
Well i don't fault you for not keeping up with all the latest events of old marvel but miles was literally introduced as a black spider man, even his design screamed "cotton picker". It's was so obviously made to appeal to anyone dark skinned that I find the character extremely racist and insensitive as a concept. A better "black" spider man would that be lady doctor's kid who peter saved in the spider man unlimited, it's the show with the furries, i recommend it
@@honestabe7373so true, there are wayyy to many Spider-Men. But a lot of it doesn't come from wanting to push an agenda, but millions of reboots and alternate universes, which really isn't a good thing at all
Because Peter is original and miles isn't
Serious question; When did it become so important to "see myself in the character"? Throughout all of my childhood I never once thought that characters had to represent me. I don't get it. I hate to admit it, but I danced like and wanted to be Michael Jackson as a kid. It never even crossed my mind that we looked different. I never cared.
Marketing !! I think it was gail Simone who sold this brand as kool aid
Thank you! I'm white, and Storm from the X-Men is my favorite character in Marvel. I don't relate to her at all. I just love the character and think she's cool as I do with the vast majority of characters I like. Often times, I see a character I like and find myself fascinated by some aspect of them. Maybe it's how they look, how they act, or what their story is that intrigues me. Having a character be relatable to me is great and all, but absolutely not a necessary quality.
Back in the 90s, we watched diverse programming that felt more natural. Black-led shows (Kenan & Kel, My Brother & Me, Family Matters, etc.), Asian-led (The Mystery Files of Shelby Woo), Latina-led (Taina), Female-led (The Secret World of Alex Mack) & shows with diverse leads who were just kids/friends hanging out & getting into the usual shenanigans. Sure, it was awesome to see Winston Zeddemore in The Real Ghostbusters or Zack in MMPR, but we also wanted to be Ninja Turtles & they're not even human! We had Steel, Spawn & Blade get their own movies in the late 90s! We had our fair share of characters who looked like us. The problem became the hyper focus on diversity & forcing it into everything nowadays. If things would have unfolded as they have, we'd be in better shape. Diversity itself isn't a problem. Forcing it IS.
I will explain you on my own experience:
IT IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT.
Why do you believe mostly of Marvel and DC characters are from the US or anime characters are Japanese?
Humans NEED to see themselves on Fiction.
HOWEVER... we need to have facts.
I could be liying if i tell you that Green Lantern or Spider-Man (and for that i mean Peter Parker and Hal Jordan) did not influenced me being both white with brown Hair... Specially getting a costume of them in Halloween.
However, The fact i looked like them was NOT the only thing i love From them, i love GL lore in general, The light spectrum its to me one of the best modern mythologies we have, and Hal...well, i love his will, how he passed From being a rebel ro being a HERO, defending Values like order and justice.
With Spider-Man i loved and love him with the humble origin, The how he learn that with great power comes great responsability, how he was kinda asocial and how his powers and Values empower him...i was a pretty shy boy, and i felt him... Close.
Look... The problem with Miles its not that he is black, its that is a Black token character triying to hijacking the mantle of other guy just for his race...
Thats why i love more characters like Spawn or Static Shock than Miles, or even cartoons like El Tigre (dude, i was born in México and they LOVE Manny Rivera, he was a total ICON)... And in fact i love him being brown, like Anthropological Mexicans are, i felt him... CLOSER.
If Black guys like more Static Shock for sharing skin color, i say "Cool! I feel great for you" and we share our love for him.
And my brown friends did it more... But both loved him as character.
Its an identity problem...
Its like me creating a Mexican Hero who is the Avatar of Order in the CDMX (the capitol)...
I think if i write him Well, anyone worldwide could like him as character, but i'm concious that brown People, specially mexican Boys, will like him more because its someone like them...
Thats why human Works, we find things From us in characters we like, The more we see... The more we like them.
But we need to be Wise enough to not turn that into a self-insert or a narcissist fantasy.
It just means you're a normal person lol.
Good point about the villain thing, even Terry from Batman beyond while he still faced a few of the original Batman’s foes he still actually has his own original villains he faced like Blight at least
Very true, which is a show that I am rewatching currently as a Complete DVD Set. I see him fight mostly Original Villains while some like The Joker & Mr. Freeze are Bruce Wayne's Villains. Can't say I would count The Joker Gang since they're just trying to live up the Joker name.
Plus Terry Mcguiness wasn't derivative of Bruce Wayne or Batman, as is pointed out heavily in Return of the Joker in which it is the main theme, as it is in the JLU episode Epilogue. Terry was his own character who wasn't trying to mimic what came before but be his own Batman. This includes Terry having his own Rogues Gallery in an environment and society that was very different from what we were used to in the BTAS. Batman Beyond is a perfect example of how to pass the mantle without it feeling like a gimmick.
@@jonarbuckle778 thank you it was all about honoring the legacy but still being your own person as Terry unlike Bruce Wayne is able to have a functional relationship and still be Batman
@@jonarbuckle778on top of that, the only reason he even became Batman was because he was revenge questing against blight, found out that Bruce was Batman by mistake and took the suit to fight him himself
He didn’t try to be Batman, he just became him
I also remember liking Terry's villains too like shriek, inque, and even the new royal flush gang. They were all creative and fun to watch.
My very young cousin loves Miles. But loves Spider-Man(Peter).
He refers Miles Morales as Miles.
He refers Peter Parker as Spider-man.
It isn’t difficult.
Exactly but technically they are both spider man to me and I have been a fan since early age
The existence of Miles Morales seems to disprove their claim that they like Stan Lee’s take in that video. If the original Spider-Man can be anyone under the mask, and any kid could see themselves in Spider-Man, why make Miles Morales?
@@hellsonly8908 🧢
Actually that quote doesn't make any fucking sense because we know who's under the mask: it's Peter!🤦🏿♂️
@@khaoticknightkninja1165 the logic doesnt sound right, its like u guys want peter to be spider-man forever, no wonder we gettin dookie ass spider-man stories after omd.
I will only know Miles Morales as Miles Morales Spiderman since saying spiderman can be confusing since there are lot of versions of spiderman with different names.
**confused diversity noises**
The difference between 2011 and now:
2011: Miles is *created* to check a box
2022: Robin was *changed* to check a box
lol, true. They change a lot of established characters now.
It’s all done in bad faith to serve an ideological agenda and to attack and label those against it as a ist or a phobe. That’s why it isn’t genuine and it’s designed with intent to be regressive under the guise of “progress”. They’re only doing it to attack “whites” or “straight” people, in other worlds it’s just another weaponized arm of the communist agenda at play to demoralize and attack western culture through entertainment. Comic books like movies or books are just another tool by these people to influence and indoctrinate. There’s no creative or original substance to any of it because it’s not the goal or they simply can’t because the ideology is all they think of.
The same way Antfa or BIM want to tear down statues or burn the flag or kneel at the national anthem. We are dealing with an enemy from within that’s intentionally poisoning the well and then pretends to be insulted when you call them out.
What happened to Robin?
@@morpheusFromZion just a guess but probably gay
Ice Man was changed back in 2012 by Bendis to be gay, way before the gay bisexual Tim Drake which did not make sense during the OG run of the character.
What I will always find funny about this is that nobody refers to Miles as "Spider-Man", he's always refered to as "Miles Morales", yet Parker is called Spider-Man even when not in the suit.
Well no shit it's convenient bc ppl like you would assume if I say Spiderman I'm talking abt Peter bc he's the first. Like there's multiple flashs but they aren't called the flash
@@reverb4471
I wouldn't assume you're talking about Parker because he's the *only* Spider-Man.
@@jovenc4508 Ew, you are one of those.
@@CanadianKomodo
One of what, right?
@@reverb4471 Exactly.
My issue is in almost every form of media, whenever there’s Peter, people want Miles in that universe to tailgate after him. I like the thought of Miles being alone in his universe.
Miles also has to take Peter’s rogues and a Gwen as a love interest. I don’t mind his uncle as a nemesis, and it was a breath of fresh air to see him have an original love interest in Hailey from the PS4 game.
My personal issue is that they keep treating miles like a child. He should been left NY and patrolled Chicago with Starling(Vulture's Granddaughter). Spider-Man' problem is that there's too many of them in one spot.
Miles fighting Black Cat was such a waste of time since Felicia and Peter know each other in and out of costume. Then too often he been shown to having the worse Spider-sense, as when Hammerhead cracked his ribs.
@@hellsonly8908 the "a Gwen" from OP and your "Gwen (...) from an alternate universe" is the same. Why is him named Miles Morales if his life will be a copy-paste of Peter's life?
@@DraGanix33 the Gwen referenced by OP and the Gwen mentioned by Hells Only are the same Gwen, Spider-Gwen. Although technically the same as Peter's ex, only one whose story changes a bit in a younger universe up in the multiverse stack. But in the practice it's them Marvel cheap way to erase canon characters with "updated" PC versions.
I loved the movie beyond any other sh film. They nailed it. I hated the comic.
Well, in regards to Gwen, only the shitty spider-verse movie is going that forced route (cause one of the writers is obsessed with this) with an alternate universe gwen who's the same age as Miles... In the main comics, and every other media, miles and gwen are not a thing and never have been (they are also quite different in age, main canon comic miles is like 15 while main canon spider-gwen is in her early 20s), so at least there's that.
It's just that I don't want him to be Spider-Man or any other superhero, I want him to be someone else with his own personality.
Strongly agreed!
I could care less about him period. He only exists as a virtue signal.
@@varanid9 I know.
That takes originality and creative thinking though. Two things todays marvel writers have absolutely none of.
Like John Henry Irons Steel and Luke Fox's Batwing. They have different skill sets and have their own personality that co existing with their inspirations holding the symbol respectfully. They're trying to make the spider bite as a green lantern ring, where anyone can be if deemed "worthy" of the "bite". It's trying to be corp like green lantern.
Without the popularity of Peter Parker AKA Spiderman there would NEVER have been Miles Morales.
@Moon of the Dead Technically true, but that's not what he means. It's more like a rando taking over his someone's inheritance, who worked his ass off to become rich and that's not a good look in superhero business.
No shit Sherlock
More people like Peter Parker than Miles Morale.
Stop crying. It's not for nothing that he is called Spiderman because he is the sequel to Peter Parker. Miles Morales is an imaginary character so he doesn't compete with anyone. Peter and Miles belong to the same comic book company. They do what they want with it.
@@marcuselvard5922 You are talking like a teenager. My comment does NOT suggest me crying. You are not countering my comment.
Peter Darker will always be the greatest descriptor of anything I’ve ever seen.
The same way there's only 1 Flash, 1 Batman, 1 Robin, 1 Green Lantern, 1 Captain America, 1 Atom Smasher, 1 Dr Fate, 1 Blue Beetle, 1 Green Arrow, 1 Speedy, 1 Aqualad, and 1 Kid Flash right? Oh wait no, all those heroes have multiple people take up their mantle.........
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id Robin though?
Each Robin have their own gimmick so I don't think it's really a knockoff
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id I mean It really depends on how the characters are going to take the previous heroes mantle.
Miles Morales was better on the ultimate Universe instead of getting him to 616 universe because Ultimate Peter Died and Miles carried the mantle but in 616 he is just a Spider-Man 2.0!!
Miguel O'Hara is the best at taking the mantle of Spider-Man since he is from a distant Dystopian future and the character like Miguel is very different from Peter and dosen't even get the spider bite or the same abilites as Peter he works well as a Spider-Man.
I don't pretend to like him. I just like the potential he has as a character. Not like Marvel is interested in making him his own man, though. He'll always be in Peter's shadow.
Don't make him a Spider-Man or a Spider-Man related character make him his own hero with a different set of powers that's all we want
@@ajitbengali That's what I'M saying! At least change his name so we can refer to him by his superhero name without having to default to "Miles Morales" so you know who the hell we're talking about.
Maybe he could take the name and suit of the Prowler, knowing that he is Dead, he can use that title to bring safety to the people every time they see him being a héroe instead of a villain
You know, like Jason Todd did when he took the name of Red Hood
Exactly! You know how his video game has a quote that says "Be Yourself"? Well, then why is he being portrayed as another Spider-Man?
@@mateoreyes6921 I'd prefer if he actually had his OWN name. That way he wouldn't be trading one mantle for another.
I’ve never understood the point of needing to see a character like you. Most of the characters that I enjoyed were Iron man, Thor, Wolverine, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Storm, spider man, Mulan, and Tiana. The most I share with any of these characters is either race or gender and that NEVER mattered to me. All I knew as a kid was that they inspired me or I just found them really cool. Maybe I was raised with more self confidence or something but the amount of people who feel like they need to see someone like themself in a piece of media to feel inspired is just sad
You've just described projection and intersectionality...
Tiana? What did you learn from her??
You're a liar. If that were the case, you would have no problem with a black actor playing a white actor. The difference is that you are not in the minorities shoes so you think you are better than those who complain. Hypocrisy is not a good thing.
It is a sign of maturity to realize that YOU don’t represent the masses. Symbolism is a powerful thing. Seeing representation of your likeness in any popular medium has a cumulative effect on a culture. Especially growing, impressionable minds.
@@ThatOneUglyLightskin Tiana from who? The Princess and the Frog?
You won't meet another human less interested in comic books than me, but Eric's insights into to them are more important than the vast majority of normies realize. Props to Eric and his outspoken courage.
Yup, he's showing how sinister these companies actually are when they are attacking ppl for not like their rehashed to death characters. They don't really care about the sjw stuff they are just using them as an excuse.
@@Dragonage2ftw False. It is incredibly important that artistic media regain the ability to transcend shallow subjects such as race and sexuality. It's also just as important to call out the people who virtue signal via things they have no knowledge of.
I think it just excites you that a black guy hates a black character so much lol
Haha, I see this video managed to attract the ire all the rabid Miles Morales stans. This is fantastic!
@@hellsonly8908 Say no more! The fact that you even ask these questions proves our counter-culture's point. Y'all seem incapable of viewing the world beyond the superficial level.
Pretenders are gonna keep pretending no matter what. But eventually they will realize soon enough.
@@Dragonage2ftw Needlessly condescending
@@Dragonage2ftw Wanna try learning how to read a little better?
I think ya are also pushin a narrative as marvel is tbh these arguments of miles are very selective these could be said for any other people of color or gender swap like spider Gwen considering miles are least due to revamp has his own distinct differences I think it’s a lil dishonest to make it seem miles is just a copy and paste
@@Dragonage2ftw Cope harder.
@@deee8324 I'm with you in this. Miles is not very defined yet, and he really was a token character at his origin, but if new creators would manage to go in bold directions (like with Spider-Verse), Miles could turn out a good realization of the idea of anybody being able to be behind the mask and the metaphor of younger generations stepping into the grown up world, sharing the mantle with adults.
He just needs his own personality. Spider-Verse portrayed him as more artistically inclined rather than scientifically, I see it as a nice change from techy Peter.
I think anyone who genuinely likes Miles is likely a person who only knows him from adaptations.
Ultimate Spider-Man was my own start in comics and Miles replacing Peter feels like a downgrade because he feels like Peter but without anything that made Peter interesting. Him being shoved in 616 feels like an afterthought. Even when Peter returns in Ultimate, he steals all of the plot and focus back.
This was a very good analysis, Rippa. Probably the best video explaining Miles and why his tokenization is the only thing notable about him.
Can confirm, have only watched Spider-Verse and played PlayStation games. I think Miles being given a more unique, differing personality could express the idea of anyone being able to be behind the mask and the metaphor of younger generations stepping into shoes of adults, but for this to turn out successful Miles' character still has a long way to go. The movie went in the right direction with him being artistic and expressive unlike scientific and techy Peter, but Insomniacs' games make Miles a borderline copypaste of Peter in personality..
Yeah, that's me.
I do not read that much comics.
Kinda hard to buy for me and I don't even know where to begin.
I like Miles. I wasn't big on Comics either, I just though he was cool. I'm black btw, now I'm wondering if it's wrong to like him.
@@donovanriley798 I mean it's not wrong, but that's because you probably never read his comics, and honestly you shouldn't.
I actually liked his introduction in ultimate. I already had the understanding that Ultimate is separate from other continuities so it was a bit easier to swallow peters death and introduce Miles. I’m not sure what I liked about it at the time to be honest I just thought it was a neat idea.
Never would I imagine he would be such a hot topic. The spider verse is not at all that interesting to me, and unfortunately that’s all Miles is to me now. Just another random ass Spider-Man from some random ass timeline.
The best part about the people that pretend to like him is to ask them what they like about it exactly.
They almost never can come up with any answer that wouldn't make them sound like the racists they are (ie they like him because he is black spider-man).
The funny part is how since the movie they went in full circular logic: "I liked the movie so that mean I like the character".
And let's be honest here, that movie, into the spiderverse, would have been at least as popular, if not way more, if it only had Parker as main character.
Can't say you are completely wrong but
I don't see how Peter could give the same msg as miles could in that movie
Whoever would have been the MC would have brought their own thing onto the table
Peter
Gwen
Noir
...well except spider pig..at most he's good for comedy n all
@@kamwaty Now Way Home basically is the point Pers0n is making. It was techincally a Live Action Spider-verse movie that talked about trauma, lost and how to be Spider-Man.
I like Miles cuz the movie made him cool and I have no idea how "lame" he is cuz I don't read his comics. Or marvel in general really.
I only read DC, specifically Superman
@@kamwaty Remind me what exactly what the message of the movie again?
Because outside of self sacrifice, done by Peter, I legit can't remember any.
The only reason anyone even likes him in the first place is because of Spiderverse, let’s just be honest.
False
I mean yeah. Nobody reads comic books.
Related: Many folks crossing their arms yelling “Wakanda Forever,” but how many of them read even the Ta-Nahisi Coates Black Panther, much less the Stan Lee or Christopher Priest run?
There was a page where Luke Cage tells Miles that Spider-Man is now a person of color and he should be proud or be aware of that. It was weird in that Cage is basically telling Miles he's only important because he's Black Spider-Man. It's like telling Miguel O Hara he's only important because he's Future Mexican Spider-Man.
Edit: I don't hate Miles, but I feel as tho he's quite bland as a character and would benefit detaching himself from the name Spider-Man. Some cartoons are already doing it with renaming him as Kid Arachnid (sounds dumb, but he technically can transition into just being Arachnid) or Spin. That way, some won't get uppity about him sharing the Spider-Man name and he gets to have comic cover that isn't literally his name.
Which is even more funny because Miguel is pretty much the ONLY 2099 character anybody liked and the fact he was part Mexican meant exactly zero. People just found his presonality snd situation interesting.
@@danielcraig9666 To be fair, the 2099 timeline started with him and imo the only who got an interesting look. I liked his villains tho, Flipside and Venom 2099, but it has been a while since I read his stuff.
Agreed. No one told Blade he is great because he is black. He just kills vampires and gets the job done.
@@RompYa while looking cool
Transition? **hungry groomer noises**
Man. It's great to see Rippa doing a comic book breakdown video like this. You can tell he's going in. No F's given. As much as I tolerated the Ultimate Marvel Universe, it ultimately became an excuse to have the writers to do whatever they wanted with their characters. Canon be screwed. That, the New 52, and some personal issues at home were some of the reasons why I stopped reading comics for a while. Marvel had to give Miles his own Clone Saga, a Spider-Man story that was hated, mind you, to get more readers to buy his comics. They're throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. What's next? Miles Morales: One More Day? Dear God, I gave them an idea...
@@hellsonly8908 it’s boring and lazy
I read almost all of the ultimate universe (i havet read ultimate enemy) and my God it's amazing how Ultimate Spider-man and to some extent the Ultimates 1 and 2 have consistent quality, while the rest is a mess.
Ultimate X-men was the worst and by the end of all it made me hate Kitty Pride with passion.
Please no - anything but another One More Day.
Tbf most of nowadays comic just been a repetition of older stories, like bruh we gettin another inferno arc in peter story to.
@@emaldon7 I'm fine with alternate universe takes. Just don't be lazy and you can get good stories. It allows you to go in directions mainline 616 can't.
Absolutely a token black character in my eyes
No original villians just Peter's
No original love interest just Peter's
He will never be spiderman in my eyes
Miguel Ohara is that you
@@gamers-xh3ucI think it's him ngl
@@gamers-xh3uc Miguel was right
Stan Lee said the beauty of Spiderman is that you can imagine anyone under the mask but he also said he doesn’t like changing established characters and would prefer to just make new ones. Now for me legacy mantles aren’t bad I mean look at Batman Beyond It’s mainly how you handle them and the problem with Miles’s introduction in the comics was that he was only made and given the mantle because of current day social politics, this was popular at first but eventually people just wanted Peter Parker again. back in those days if there was more to the character that made him unique and interesting most people would’ve liked Miles but due to the fact that most readers saw him as a Peter Parker clone with nothing to stand out interest dropped until Into The Spiderverse. Into The Spiderverse took Miles’s character and made him unique and interesting in ways that even some of his critics began to actually like his character. He was focused on as an individual not a current check box & more people
began to like Miles in that movie because that version of the character was made and handled for more interesting and well written reasons then just being a Peter Parker Clone or current day social politics. But despite the fact that legacy mantle characters can be handled well and successful or badly and horrible at the end of the day the original or iconic version of the character is what most people identify with. Terry became Batman in universe of The DCAU but we call him Batman Beyond for a reason. He’s a great character but he isn’t Bruce Wayne. The same thing happened when all many of The Robins got the mantle of Batman, even if the story was good eventually people wanted Bruce Wayne as Batman again and The Robins as The Robins. The beauty of legacy characters is that passing down the mantle/torch is inspiring when written well and can be entertaining based on how you handle the story & characters like how Batman Beyond & Into The Spiderverse did but the downside is that legacy characters
aren’t they’re own characters.
They are tied to the original or iconic versions and since those characters are number 1 for many, they’ll always be seen as secondary to them. This is why original characters usually have more potential then legacy characters. So when people say Miles Morales is Miles Morales & Peter Parker is Spider-Man , it isn’t racism, or bigotry it’s usually due to the fact that for many are fans of the original character before the legacy character. I personally have no issue with saying Miles Morales is Spiderman because like I said legacy characters aren’t inherently an issue for me I love legacy stories when done well, but in my mind I’m saying Miles Morales is a Spider-Man, not The Spider-Man, Just like I’d think Bucky Barnes & Sam Wilson become versions of Captain America, not that they are The Captain America, because Captain America in mind will always truly be Steve Rogers. The lesson we can learn here is that legacy stories can be well made and legacy characters can be interesting with hard work and good writing put in but eventually they’ll have to be sidekicks, partners basically secondary characters to the original or iconic versions that came before because they can never truly replace them for people. For a new character that you want to have their own status has to always be original because while legacy characters can be well made they’ll always just be legacy characters to people which is just another version. T’Challa was replaced by his sister as Black Panther people didn’t like that either and The Black Panther comics were going downhill at that point anyway. Legacy characters can be made and I’m behind them being made because I always loved legacy stories as a matter of fact I’m one of the few old comic book fans that believes you can make these new legacy characters in DC & Marcel good if you strip out all the modern wokeness and actually put great writing quality behind them but they can never fully replace the original or iconic characters and they have to be mainly side characters in that original or iconic Mythos they can still have solo stories but they have to tie back into that particular Mythos so while fans can enjoy these new characters and other new characters with better creative writing put in they can still enjoy the original and /or iconic characters that mean so much to them with better interesting creative writing. The only new characters that should fully have their own status like the originals and or Iconic ones should be the new original characters that have their own identity. If legacy characters transition from mantle sidekicks & secondary characters to their own full identities then the same applies and if they’re are characters
that start off as new original characters and go to a mantle of an older original and or iconic character the same rule of side character/secondary/sidekicks applies. I believe that will solve the problem for many older and newer audiences not all but many. No more replacing, and no more changing or downgrading characters to replace them either. If you’re making a legacy character they need to be well written & interesting to be liked but sadly they’ll usually always be secondary to what came before. That’s the most likely scenario
Now if your making a new character with they’re own legacy & mantle or taking a legacy character and giving them they’re own identity, legacy and mantle then the potential goes up especially with good writing and storytelling. There’s a reason Dick Grayson got more popular when as the first Robin he became Nightwing, or Jason Todd The Second Robin became The Redhood, even Tim Drake The Third Robin becoming Red Robin, or Barbara as Batgirl becoming Oracle. You could most likely have the potential to tell great stories with them in The Batman mantle with a legacy theme but if you try to write that they stay there forever people will loose interest & eventually they’ll just want Bruce Wayne back as Batman. Because he is The Batman.
“As the indefatigable 92-year-old
superhero conjurer and Marvel Comics chairman emeritus sees it, fan backlash up until this point hasn't so much been spurred on by racism as much as unyielding fealty to the source material.
"They're outraged not because of any
personal prejudice, Lee says. "They're
outraged because they hate to see any
change made on a series and characters they had gotten familiar with. In Spider-Man, when they got a new actor, that bothered them, even though it was a white actor.
I don't think it had to do with
racial prejudice as much as they don't like things changed.”
“I wouldn't mind. if Peter Parker had originally been black. a Latino, an lndian or anything else that he stay that way. But we originally made him white. I dont see any reason to change that. It has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti-black, or anti-Latino, or anything like that. Latino characters should stay Latino. The Black Panther should certainly not be Swiss. I just see no reason to change that which has already been established when it's so easy to add new characters.” - Stan Lee
Jaime(Blue Beetle) I thought was perfect representation of what passing the mantle should be, now being Captain America, Iron-Man, Flash etc isn't exciting or unique because there are a dozen characters just like them, like the Avengers, Earths Mightiest Heroes but there are multiple teams named the Avengers, its not special if everyone has it.
@@burtonthegrape9217 interesting
Quick pre-clarification: I don't read comics on a daily/weekly/monthly basis, but I like the logic and reasoning behind your essay. Most comments, regardless of medium, are anecdotal or passively weak (including mine sometimes), but your essay did not just bring up the Lee's quote, but anylzed it quite throughly with nuance. Granted, i don't remember hearing that quote before, but I wholeheartedly agree with you on what Lee meant. It's not what the character is, but who they are as a character.
@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 Thanks for reading and understanding that's hard to come by on both sides of the argument.
@@burtonthegrape9217 that’s a good point The Blue Beatle Mantle was a great example and the original characters who were Blue Beatle aren’t as iconic with the current generation are they are with the past generation like Alan Scott & Jay Garrick so Jaime won’t always feel secondary in his roles as Blue Beetle like most characters who take mantle especially legends like Terry McGinnis or Dick Grayson.
All of the reasons I like Miles are because of the Spiderverse film.
I'm willing to give the second one a shot, but the fact that one of the Spider-themed heroes is a preggo woman swinging around, she's gonna be pissing out that baby once the 9 months are up.
Miles is not a interesting character, he just a biracial version of peter parker; even the creator admitted it. His story of the home life, main love interest Gwen Stacy, personality with the comedic jokes, and a father figure who is his uncle getting shot by a criminal then gives an inspirational speech; all copy and paste from Peter Parker story. The reason the movie did so well is because you had the real spider-man in that film. Without peter, it wouldnt have done well. Eric July has stated and explained countless time Miles is a tokenized character of the real Spider- man Peter Parker, yet some folks still want to refuse otherwise.
@@nemomakkie111 The main character of spiderverse is miles morales spider-man. The movie portrayed his character well and added new aspects to his character And not to mention his Video game which also did very well.
@@nemomakkie111 Okay. I've never refuted or countered the fact that Miles is a biracial Peter Parker, I just said I liked him in Spiderverse.
Can you not bite my fucking head off about that for at least a day, please?
@@ObsoleteBat What interesting aspects were added? He's still bland and generic in that movie.
@@nemomakkie111 let's not oversimplify things. The film is an outstanding piece of animation, good enough to succeed on its own merits. Obviously all the cool Spidey version helped, but let's appreciate the animation quality and the writing.
I'm black and I will say this. There is only one Spiderman and his name is Peter Parker who is white. No offence
There’s two. Deal with it
@@cwp4eva Yes I agree with you. We have Spiderman who is also Pater Parker which makes them 2 acting as one. Brilliant thanks 😆👍
@@rakumafireball1640are you talking about Miles from the comic's or spider verse because if it the comic i understand
@@cwp4evaand a lot more
@@Choso_1084 Comics and animations. My favourite being the 90s Marvel animation spiderman. I dont care about the Spiderverse.
Miles could work if he was a sidekick like Robin or Kid-Flash, with his own name like Kid Arachnid or Spy-D, and having his own love interest and villains.
Miles does work and he isn’t a sidekick. Nobody fault that fragile white boys feel like there being replaced. Miles is an addition, not a replacement.
@@toxiclullaby2083 I'm brown and latino, not white, you're probably imerse in that victim x opressor mentality, everyone who disagrees with you is labeled as white opressor. And no, he does not work, he is always using Peter's elements and need other spiders, specialy Peter, to have some relevance. After years marvel has been pushing his character into everything and he still don't have a current popular comic book. Peter Parker, Captain America, Batman, Green Lantern, Hulk, Flash, Wonder Woman, Superman earned their popularity and didn't need to stole other stories, support characters, love interest, villains, costume, name.
@@Antonio200mhddWholeheartedly agreed.
@@toxiclullaby2083 I am colombian and i hate when people tell me that anyone can take the place of Peter Parker as Spiderman, i mean, is like if you wanted to replace Batman or Superman with some random, you can't
No he can’t work. The real Peter Parker would never take in a sidekick, he would never allow someone else to put his life in danger while wearing spider-man’s insignia, because he is haunted by the deaths of several people he feels responsible for. That’s the biggest reason I hate Miles Morales, when he’s in the same universe as spider-man, he makes the Peter Parker character worse, because he makes him throw away his sense of responsibility.
It’s so dumb how one gets called racist for saying he’s a tokenized version of a more popular character (in which he is) and it’s not racist with how marvel made that comic of “what if moles morales was Thor” reinforcing black stereotypes.
Well most people kinda are he's not a tokenized version of Peter that's stupid he's his own thing being a token is just a black character being there with no purpose its not the case for Miles and I'm getting tired of these guys who don't read comics or anything else and have people agree with them cause he is black and yes I agree that Thor thing was bad and kinda racist but that bad comic doesn't define Miles like the new Peter Parker comics don't define Peter
@@theflyguy2133 You just assume I don’t read comics? He 💯 is a tokenized character he was created for an agenda. And I don’t criticize the character because he’s black. I am fine with black characters but characters such as Blade, Luke Cage, Black panther, Blue marvel (examples of black characters that I like) weren’t used for an agenda in the comics. People criticize miles because he doesn’t have ONE iconic storyline in the comics. He’s had other relationships with girls besides Gwen but then again why give him Peters ex? Why give him powers that derive from Jessica drew? If he’s his own thing then why does marvel use him for comics like what if he became Thor, captain America, falcon, wolverine, and hulk? It makes no damn sense! Even with the spider-verse movie had him foreshadowed to be destined to become another character besides Spider-Man. It’s just the truth. No one needs to have the same skin color as a comic book character to relate to them. People love Peter because of his character. They can relate to him because he never catches a break. He constantly juggles things and his responsibility of being Spider-Man ALWAYS gets in the way of his life as Peter Parker.
@honestabe7373 He does. I mean his origin story and him being a leader in Spider Gedon. Not many people read comics, but the time he was tortured for days to thebput point, he didn't know if anything was real or a test or his biggest one being the one who kills Captain America in Civil War 2. So what's the problem with Miles having that one power that Jessica Drew? Jesus Marvel did that once and literally did it with Gwen, and plus, it's what if there is literally a story where Spider-Man gets eaten for marrying Black Widow. It's not skin color, yes, and that is what makes Peter so great, making him relatable, Miles deals with the same problem in life and still is a cool and instructing character and him being Spider-Man also gets in his way.
@@theflyguy2133 I’m just saying it’s derivative because that power was originally Jessica Drew’s. But the character in itself was 100% made to check a box. Being fair his character is somewhat more interesting in the movies than the comics. He’s had similar story beats to Peter with getting the black costume and a clone saga. These were stories already presented for Peter. Why not have something else for miles???? Why can’t marvel make more villains for miles instead of him fighting Peters villains constantly? It’s all derivative. Why have him come to 616 when there’s already a Spider-Man that’s operating in that universe. Miles is 15 minutes away from Peter. It made sense for Terry in Batman beyond because Bruce was of old age and had to operate in the same manner that Barbara Gordon did as Oracle. The character has been rebooted many times already since his creation.
@honestabe7373 Who was made to check a box Jessica or Miles? Miles never got the black suit he did get the carnage symbiote. The only time he did get that suit was in Dark Ages. I get what you mean with clone saga, but in personal opinion, Miles does it better and a little more interesting. I agree that, yes, Miles should get his own villains more like the Assessor, Miles fight Peter villains isn't like a big thing. it's like Nightwing is his own thing, but he still fights Batman villains. Cause they wanted the Ultimate universe to end cause it was just a bad universe. The only thing good that came out of it was Miles, and they wanted to keep him. I get what you mean, but there is also an entire Bat-Family in Gotham, and all of them coexist and do great. Miles is like a Nightwing. You can say not like a sidekick, but when Spider-Man dies or Batman, they take over that role.
Can’t wait to see Miles Morales live action movie played by Robert Downey Jr as Kirk Lazarus
“I’m a dude (Kirk Lazarus) playing a dude (Miles Morales) disguised as another dude (Peter Parker).”
Villain: You people can't defeat me!
RDJ: What do you mean "You people?"
Compared to Miguel O'Hara, Miles is always being compared and seen as shadow of Peter. Miguel is basically a spiderman from the distant future and he became spiderman because there was no spiderman in the year 2099 plus Miguel was more of spiderman with some gray morality he faces some re-imagine futuristic spiderman villains but the main villain or villain organization is Alchemax. Miles he just a token version Peter the only difference his is race and he still has family he has no original villain he only faces Peter.
I would say other differences would be he’s not as smart but also very artistic in his creations due to spiderverse and the game I wouldn’t really say he’s a token version cause that could be the same for Miguel who’s Spanish
@@deee8324 yeah but that wasn't address until the spiderverse movie, the comics had some but not as much mainly because they didn't know what direction to give him
@@zetamangads I agree but that’s why the movie was made and I see miles as more of a artistic person then a tech genius although there the game but i they reference in the game that miles makes beats
@@zetamangads I agree but that’s why the movie was made I see miles as more of an artistic person then a tech genius and even in the game although it’s a lil different he referenced as a music producer in the game
@@deee8324 which is basically saying "this character is just a empty sheel for Peter so we are going to fix him to make him somewhat unique"
I don't mind miles and him being spiderman but many people want him to be his unique hero since his powers in either comics, games and movies are not related to the spiderman yeah web slinging is part of hit but the rest.
Miles was created to, as Drinker likes to say, "reflect the world we live in today". That very foundation of the character is misguided and even paradoxical with the whole concept of superheroes.
I hate The Critical Drinker.
Give examples because it sounds like you didn’t watch the movies
@@trovankyesiga1593 The example is right here in this video.
Nah, blud listens to what Critical Drinker has to say. 💀
He ain’t lying, I was TikTok and came across a video of a dude being in a video chat room dressed up as miles and when he took his mask off people were like “oh your black” or “ hey come over here, look a black spiderman” or SpiderMan isn’t black “
It’s like people don’t know who miles is and nor haven’t seen the spider verse movie, I was shocked to be honest watching people’s reactions
Not that serious bro
Not that serious bro
Peter Darker 🤣 Holy fuck that caught me off guard
The same way there's only 1 Flash, 1 Batman, 1 Robin, 1 Green Lantern, 1 Captain America, 1 Atom Smasher, 1 Dr Fate, 1 Blue Beetle, 1 Green Arrow, 1 Speedy, 1 Aqualad, and 1 Kid Flash right? Oh wait no, all those heroes have multiple people take up their mantle.........
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id can you stop spamming this?
STAN LEE: *"l wouldn’t mind, if PETER PARKER had originally been black, a latino, an indian or anything else, that he stay that way. But we originally made him white. l don’t see any reason to change that. lt has nothing to do with being anti-gay, or anti-black, or anti-latino, or anything like that. Latino characters should stay latino. The BLACK PANTHER should certainly not be swiss. l just see no reason to change that which has already been established- when it’s so easy to add new characters. l say create new characters the way you want to. Hell, l’II do it myself!"*
Thanks for the quote do you know when Stan Lee said that just so I can take note?
That's fro Fans. NOT ACTUAL HERO .
Im sorry
@@honestabe7373 it was during an interview that Newsarama did to Stan Lee in 2015.
There's only one Spider-Man and that's Peter Parker, even Ben Reilly calls himself something else.
this 1000 times - if Peter's literal fucking clone chose a different monicker Miles should have too.
I don't mind haveing several spider men using the same name
I think Miguel O'Hara gets a pass. At least he took the name after Peter died. Also, he's cool.
@@yigitorhan7654 Miguel does because he's the next Spider-Man after Peter's long dead.
same goes for Terry McGinnis, albeit his mentor retiring instead.
@yiğit orhan wdym he gets a pass? It makes why he calls himself Spider-Man
Tbh I would've made miles the next prowler instead of another spider person. He could've started off slightly antagonistic before peter took him under his wing as a sidekick and then he could've branched off from there
Or make him something like Red Hood/Jason Todd (Without killing him)
Exactly. It's right there, from his powers to the connection to prowler and Peter. It's not even that difficult, his origin could have been similar to the rocket racer episode from the 90s serise or the first episode of tnas from 2003.
My problem with Miles is that people feel the need to constantly try to compare him to Peter when he should be his own character
The spider-verse movie is designed to make the audience feel that Peter Parker (from any universe) must be replaced by miles, the first spidey, the one who died, is an egomaniac, all is about “ me, me,me, me” he was never like that, he doesn't do everything he does for his ego, he does it, because he feels it's his obligation, his duty, "With great power comes great responsibility"
the second Peter Parker, the scriptwriters literally destroyed his life, they took the love out of his life, they ridiculed him,
but there are 3 moments that caught my attention in the development of this Peter Parker, the first, is when miles tells Peter "a great power..." and Peter stops him, telling him that he is sick of that phrase, the phrase that has been the essence of SpiderMan, the legacy of his uncle Ben, the phrase that turned him into Spider-Man, the most beloved phrase of Stan Lee his creator, thrown into the bin by himself
the other moment that called my attention, is much more subtle, when Gwen is about to die, is saved by Miles, this is a clear reference to original Gwen's death, when Peter can't save her, the message is hidden but clear, Peter fails in equal circumstances,
and the last one, where Peter is totally dominated by Miles, and Peter submissively accepts that Miles is now in charge, not caring that he's just a kid, he lets him anyway.
how I see it, miles is not just a token, is a leecher who sucks everything from Peter, even Peter’s first love, ironic, since he was originally thought of as a gay man, but they did not dare to do it this way
Great points. Couldn’t agree more.
Yeah but that makes sense because Peter B. is TLJ Luke done right.
In layman term, that miles morales shouldnt be spider-man?
Two other points.
1. Every "Peter Parker" is linked to the past, the fist dies, the second is over-the-hill, the third is from the 30's. The other Spidey are young, hip, some even have a tech battle suit.
2. When they say "For my [Insert relative]", each spidey says Ben, Miles says his Uncle, Gwen mentions Peter as "My Friend", when she's supposed to be Peter's love, some writers going so far as to say she was her One True Love.
That's why I have no intention to buy it or even watch it full, it's a 2 hour piece to make you believe Peter is old fashioned and has to be replaced, he's not that important anyway given Gwen doesn't consider him this much.
Honestly, the way you put it makes it sound like the writer had a black cuckolding kink.
This reminds me of my issue with Falcon in the MCU. Coulda been built as his own character but rather was demoted to cheap tokenization of Captain America. And the issue with these more recent tokenized characters is that they are never famous beyond the fact that they are tokenized which should show the problem of tokenization.
Sam was bloody great as falcon the fact they changed him makes no sense and shows they had zero faith in him as a character unless he was cap
i always thought bucky should have been the new captain america
Would you have felt the same way if they made Bucky Captain America?
@RATDA 9000 name 1 reason why Bucky becoming Captain America out of nowhere would make any sense. His character arc had a lot of holes left in it, he spent many decades as the worst Assasin against American Interests, he's had no time to develop on his own, he's a man out of time with no experience as a superhero at all.
Doesn't make sense for Bucky to be Cap either, they should have gone with Jennifer Lawrence
The Stan Lee quote is so simple to understand yet no one does. Everyone can see themselves as Spider-Man for two reasons:
1. As Spider-Man, absolutely NO ONE knows who's under that mask. He could literally be ANYONE. Your neighbor, the mailman, the guy who spilled coffee on your pants in the packed subway train the other day. ANYONE. And as a regular bystander, what difference does it make? You'll never know and if you did find out, it wouldn't matter; Peter Parker is as much a nobody as anyone.
2. As Peter Parker, he represents the best traits of mankind. He's a kid from the lower parts of NYC who isn't very popular, isn't very attractive (at first), and he doesn't live a lavish life. He constantly lives from check to check, and his life with the mask off is (usually) in shambles. Despite all of this, he keeps going. He cracks jokes to keep from being crushed by the responsibility and seriousness of his mission. He very, VERY rarely falls into deep despair or stays there for long. He tries his best to do what's right and see the good in others, even his own enemies; even when his own life is falling to pieces. Because he knows just how steep the price of ignorance and apathy truly are. Spider-Man/Peter Parker is a reflection of the goodness in everyone. That's why anyone can see themselves as him. He's the part of you that would rush to get put of your car on the Highway to pull a woman from a burning car wreck.
I like Miles's *potential.* His actual character is laughably basic which is a shame since his power set could easily make for a Scarlet Spider style spin-off hero. His one actually interesting villain is Prowler and beyond that...he's sorta just a mouthpiece for whatever nonsense the writer wants to push.
edit: Goddamn, I didn't even know they took Prowler from earlier comics. They really gaslit people hard with Miles.
The movies are great ngl
@@SWIFT_NINJA47 Take your word for it. I can't watch them cause the weird framerate makes my eyes hurt.
Didn’t into the spiderverse literally make fun of how EVERY version is Spider-Man has the same base origin story?
In every other universe, an irradiated spider gives you superpowers, here in reality you get cancer.
And now that Across is out Miles's dipshit fans now claim if you WEREN'T you're not really Spider-Man.
Except that isn’t even true. Spiderwoman didn’t get her powers that way, Spider-Man 2099 didn’t either, the only characters who did are alternate versions of Peter, spider Gwen who was meant to be just what if Peter didn’t get the spider powers but Gwen did, and silk who fuckin sucks like miles. Miles is one of the only alternate spider people who got his powers just like peter
I'll never understand the point of the kid
His story should be about finding his OWN identity as a superhero, not leech off the success of a pre-existing character.
Although it could be to some extent at the start of his journey but then have him forge his own identity as time goes on and he matures through experience but that would require EFFORT from the writers
If they really liked Miles. They’d buy his books 🤷🏿♂️
Normies don't buy books XD. They pirate them for screenshots to post on social media and google the storyline later
Oh they buy them but DIGITALLY, screw that shit. I rather pay for Physical.
But they create stan accounts, like tweets about him, and retweet tweets about him. That's pretty much the same.
@@christopherwashi Normies is a stupid term.
@@worthybutter2004 eh it sticks and is common. Personally I prefer the term Tourists/Sightseers. Fits better in my opinion.
This gon be good.
Bro didn't even bring up how the writers made Miles date an alternate version of Gwen Stacy, one of Peter Parker's most important love interests
There's a TH-camr that I watched alot named Godzillamendoza that made a video about Miles saying he likes the idea the problem is that the writers don't know what to do with him.
He said that Into the spiderverse was a good start for giving him a personality but we all know what happened next.
Surprised that he didn't make a video talking about it.
Writers didn't learned from Into the Spiderverse and instead made the Miles problem even worse.
I am not even into comics and I love listening to Rippa talk about them. Encyclopedic knowledge mixed with passion for the subject
Here in Brazil, the lacrolas go crazy with a video like this
11:30 He wasn't brought in cause he was more popular, he was brought because they wanted him to be more popular.
Remember, even Miles himself said he doesn't want to be the Black Spider-Man he wants to be Spider-Man. Something that almost everyone just calls him. Everytime I hear someone him the black Spider-Man I always think back to that moment in the comic.
He wont be spiderman. People hear Spider Man and think Peter, Miles is distinguishable as Miles
Man, I can still relate to Patrick Bateman even tho I am a nigga. Tf's wrong with these woke people?
Miles Morales is Miles Morales, Peter Parker is Spiderman
*Spider-Man
Mike morales is another version Spider-Man hence he’s from another universe
Miles morales is Spiderman. Just not Peter parker Spiderman.
The same way there's only 1 Flash, 1 Batman, 1 Robin, 1 Green Lantern, 1 Captain America, 1 Atom Smasher, 1 Dr Fate, 1 Blue Beetle, 1 Green Arrow, 1 Speedy, 1 Aqualad, and 1 Kid Flash right? Oh wait no, all those heroes have multiple people take up their mantle.........
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id correct, although I'm ok with multiple robins, cause obviously one "dies" one leaves to become a super hero in his own right. One leaves and becomes a vigilante/ anti hero.
Thank you Rippa for telling the truth on the greatest token in comics. Miles is basically Peter but in another skin tone. None of his stories are ever talked about. All of ppl that claim that it's time for a black Spiderman don't buy Miles Morales Spiderman books. They only want him in the movies so they can "see themselves."
kids don't read comic books anymore, Miles is the spider-man for the young kids, peter is old and will be replaced, they tried with Ben Reily but people were still attached to peter all those are old people like Rippa now, eventually Miles will the only spider-man people will know
@@eclisis5080 you're delusional brotha
eh...not really, he is more artistic actually.
@Joseph you resort to a single word insult rather than argue any valid point?
@Eclisis nobody like the Miles Comics because all Comics suck these days. Everyone prefers Manga and Cartoons. This is why Demon Slayer outsold the entire American Comic Book Industry. Into the Spiderverse has the highest rating of any Spiderman movie and Miles became well liked because they fixed his origin story and motivations.
I do not despise Miles but Peter is a better character.
The writers decide
@@Rmsdxdkskxelfm fuck the writers if they can’t write a good story.
Wasn't Miles also Wolverine and Thor at some point? Does he even have a rogue's gallery that's not a ripoff of Peter's rogue's gallery? What's going on with this character?
You realize that's very common in Comics right? Flash Thomspon, Mac Gargan, and Harry Osborn were Venom for a while as an example. Dr Octopus was Spiderman for a couple of years, Tim Drake became Batman for a while, Damien Wayne as well. Its very common for caharcters to take up other mantles temporarily. Hell Bruce Wayne was disguised as Clark Kent on many occasions and Superman has been Batman before.
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id Perhaps to present a new concept after a while. But Miles Morales is very fresh compared to the other characters you have listed. Some have been around for 50+ years. There is no reason for Miles to be stagnating so early at this point where writers have to give him new mantles as a "fresh take," what-ifs or otherwise. He JUST started being Spider-Man.
@Brian A. meaning we have decades to build on him same as the others. There was a time when people threw a fit at Barry Allen and Wally West replacing their predecesors. I don't even see how Miles and Peter are all that similar when they have completely different backrounds and motivations. Peter has money troubles, Miles doesn't, Peter has no parents and his Uncle died, Miles has both parents and a Villian Uncle, Peter is a solo act, Miles either works with Peter or has Genke as his "guy in the chair," Peter peimarily focuses on Queens and Modtown Manhatten, while Miles operates in Harlem and isn't as likely to go through the rest of New York, Peter is a super genius who can design his own gera, Miles gets hand me downs and Shield Tech, Peter learned with great power comes great responsibility after his Uncle was killed because he didn't stop the killer before, Miles feels guilty because he didn't find Peter himself and didn't work with him whwn he had the chance, Miles goes to a Tech School while Peter goes to a regular High School, Miles' father hates all Mutants over the Ultimatum Wave Magneto used to kill Millions of people in New York, May Parker hates Spiderman specifically in many incarnations for weird reasons, Miles is far more awkward, doubtful, and goofy as both himself and Spiderman/Kid Arachnid, while Peter is a loud mouth, hot headed, wise cracking, and cocky bastard in battle. Peter is constantly struggling to make ends meet and his personal life is heavily affected by his career as Spiderman, while Miles generally struggles to balance the two but has the advantage of two good parents and financial security. Peter refuses to give up being Spiderman over his guilt while Miles retires for several years without issue. These two have a lot of differences.
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id "meaning we have decades to build on him " so then build on him first. Again, does he even have a rogue's gallery that's not a ripoff of Peter's rogue's gallery?
@@briana.9395 The better question is will he ever have a rogue's gallery that isn't a rip-off from Peter's?
Executive: He's Spiderman, but his skin color is different!
Fans: Cool. What's his personality like?
Executive: His what now?
Spider verse:
marvel's Spider-Man games:
Literally any modern depiction of the character:
This criticism worked back when Brian Michael Bendis still wrote the character exclusively but that's not the case and Miles clearly has his own personality, if you can't see that there's definitely something wrong with the Way your brain works, you can still not like his current character but he's not just "black/Latino Spider-Man"
Tbf his depiction in the Spiderverse movies is actually pretty good but the fact that it took 10 years for him to even feel like an actual character and it wasn't even Marvel that pulled it off...
Well that's just sad.
I liked Miles when he wasn’t just a spider copy. He was introduced as one in Ultimate, but he adopted the name Kid Arachnid, which a much better name for his superhero persona. That was where Miles Morales peaked unfortunately…
'Spy-Dee' lol
He should have stayed Kid Arachnid, and eventually evolved into Arachnid or maybe even Tarantula as a grown-up spider hero name.
I don’t mind him having another name when he’s in the same universe as Peter. When Gwen realized there was already a Spider-Woman, she changed her name to Ghost-Spider. Miles CAN do something similar, but the names these shows like Ultimate Spider-Man and Marvel’s Spider-Man (both Disney XD), and fans are coming up with ain’t it. “Kid Arachnid” and “Spy-D” are some goofy ass names.
Kid Arachnid was fr gonna be his name at some point? 💀
@@Adamairball in Spiderman ultimate TV show his name in his universe is Ultimate spiderman however once he and what's left of his family travel to peters earth he goes by the name kid arachnid and Peter goes by spiderman
I liked miles about as much as any other clone character which is not that much. It's always interesting to see it as a one off or a what if alternate timeline kinda stuff but the longer they stick around the more bothersome they become
Love to see people spitting straight facts with triumphant music playing in the background....keep up the good work
I'll just drop in here what I've discussed with friends before: As much as I enjoyed Into the Spider-verse, I attribute it's success more to the other alternate universe Spider-Men than to Miles. He was by far the least interesting part of the movie, *despite being the protagonist*. In my opinion at least. He just sort of felt like the vehicle that drove the plot into the stage for other Spideys to show up and not much else.
Yes he grows and develops during the course of the movie, but he's still massively overshadowed by everyone else, even by the character that's just Looney Tunes with a Spider-Man costume: Spider-Ham. Because even that is more interesting than just some guy randomly stumbling upon a radioactive spider that felt like biting him and giving him electricity and invisibility for some reason. Peter's spider had context as to why it was there, why it was radioactive and why it bit Peter. Miles, to my knowledge doesn't exactly have a specified origin (in the movie) and just so happens to find him in a subway and bite him because his "spiderness" needed to happen.
SPOILERS FOR ACROSS THE SPIDERVSE!!!
The spider comes from another universe, as hinted to in the first movie. Also, does there HAVE to be a reason why that spider was there? Why was Gwen's Spider at her rock practice to bite her?
That arguement that "we have to know why Miles got bit and that it can't be for just some reason" is just flawed in multiple ways.
@@Adamairball Where was that hinted at? Enlighten me.
Yes there has to be one. If the creators present an event, but don't bother to explain it, (through events in the story or through exposition) then it just becomes plot convenience. It'd be the same thing if Bruce Banner didn't have the context of being exposed to copious amounts of gamma radiation that turns him into The Hulk and he just randomly became a green giant and started wrecking things. Unlike what your last statement seems to imply, this isn't something new or exclusive to Miles. People are just affording him the same scrutiny as other characters. If everyone else gets to have a justification for their powers, then why should he be excluded?
It's as simple as: Don't bring up questions to your audience that you won't answer, or will only do so much, much later.
I haven't watched the sequel so I'll take your word for it that it's revealed there that the spider came from a different universe. In this regard I can only speak for myself when I say that despite the sequel having shown it, it was too late for me to regain interest for the character. 5 years too late, to be precise.
If people only started mentioning that now, to me it speaks volumes at how good of a job the first movie did at hinting at the fact his spider wasn't from the same universe.
@@Skulls-for-Cats First of all, the spider was glitching like all the Spider people and animals that came from the other universes.
Second, we know that the spider was turned radioactive somehow and then we see how it bit Miles.
We do not need to see how the spider became radioactive, considering that that's already been established in previous media.
We don't see why the spider in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man is radioactive, does that make it a problem? No.
That's basically the exact argument you're making, that we need to know how the spider became radioactive.
@@Adamairball I just looked up some clips and I didn't see no glitches. Only colourful transitions and screen flashes. No glitches in the scene where he gets bitten, unless there's a prior scene that shows Miles' spider and I just don't remember.
We 'know' it's radioactive because that's how it works with the majority of the other Spider-blanks. One of the only exceptions is Noir, who was bitten by a "highly venomous spider kept inside a spider-god idol", though the movie incorrectly has him state that his case was also a radioactive one. Spider-Ham gets to stay correct but not him I guess.
The argument I am making is that we didn't know where the spider came from until the second movie, as per your own admission. What we saw in the first movie is a very clearly abnormal spider just descending onto his hoodie and shortly after biting his hand. The audience is only made to assume his spider also came from a laboratory or something pertaining to science (as Peter's came from a science exhibit) since that's the most common case.
While I will concede that, to my knowledge, it's not known under what circumstances Peter's spider was conceived (if we stick strictly to the comics and ignore the animated interpretations for argument's sake) we at least know WHERE it came from.
Sure, both Peter and Miles' situations were highly unlikely, but at the very least Peter was in a location where lots of live spiders were on display due to the exhibit, and we're told some were genetically altered. So the odds of him getting bitten are at least more plausible than some teenager being in a subway at just the perfect time for a spider to go and bite him.
Not to mention, with Peter, the spider was tiny and it landed on his hand and bit him while he was distracted, Miles' was much bigger and crawled onto his hand, STARTING FROM THE NECK DOWN. And he still somehow didn't notice or feel it, even though he not only reached for his pocket to take out his phone, but held his arm on the same pose to take a picture. He was one coincidence away from not becoming Spider-Man, all he had to do was kill it while it was crawling under his clothes and he would have just become some guy watching spider themed superheroes swinging about.
@@Skulls-for-Cats Still, it barley even matters in the movie.
Also, there is a moment later in the movie where Miles goes back to see the spider, and, from what I remember, the spider glitches and that scares Miles, causing him to jump back.
Like Miles but because there was an missed potential of opportunity of what he could’ve been like for us fans. When I first discovered miles I liked the costume Because well red and black look badass but like he’d be different than Peter Parker but when I realized he’s just a Black version of Peter Parker when I read the comics as his origins is similar to the homecoming like his best friend is similar to Ned and like to build legos. I still think there’s potential of miles being his own rather than being a sidekick or a copy paste. Maybe he’d be a different kind of Spider-Man but with the same powers as Kid Arachnid or Arachkid.
Miles Morales deserves better as character
Ned was with miles first but they brung him in the mcu because he fit so well. And probably cuz he's Asian
Miles is still a great character, most people like him in the spider verse and ps4/5 game. He's like the Robin of spiderman
Uhhhh you have that backwards. Miles character was ripped off in Spiderman Homecoming..............Miles didn't copy Peter in the MCU, Peter copied Miles in those movies. Ned was inspired by Geenke and look how well liked his character is.
@@goldtiger9453 Ned Leeds was one of the several Hobgoblins in Comics decades ago. Miles Friend is named Genke and is similar but has no dark side to him. He's not even Asian in Comics. Did you research this at all?
Peter is the GOAT and always will be ✊🏾
The Robins are not unoriginal Dick is the acrobat, Jason is the bad boy, Tim is the detective. They look the same but couldn't be farther apart.
Same with Peter and Miles. While they share notable similarities, they also have distinct differences.
@@STARK0181nope miles is peter parker parasite
@@CatVideoEr Let's see.
Miles has unique abilities that Peter doesn't.
Miles isnt an orphan, unlike Peter.
Miles is more creative and artistic, while Peter is more of a traditional nerd.
Miles stories are more community driven, thematically.
Miles is actually more reserved and introspective than Peter.
Etc.
@@STARK0181 just say you hate whites.
Awesome content . Love your channel , respect to all
You have done and achieved
Miles is worst thing to be created just to destroy OG Peter Parker Spidey
You know how you know miles a token version that marvel writers that didnt put too much effort in the characterization of the miles. Remember the what if stories of miles as different heroes and they had nothing going for them but just the black versions of themselves
Yes yes! I was having a discussion with someone about that. And also with the new spider verse movie Sony literally put foreshadowing in the first film that he was meant to become someone else and not Spider-Man and that is further demonstrated with the sequels ending.
I really wish Doctor Voodoo was given a spotlight. He is a such a bad ass character.
"Peter Darker" lol. Good one 😂
5:53 so instead of creating a new hero that could have been one of those "big world superheroes" they decided to do another boring Jr character of an already existing character...
a scary resemblance between Miles' history and The Force Awakens
I’ve someone use the scene from Spider-Verse of “There’s only Spider-Man, and you’re looking at him” *winks* in order to get their point across and it’s _super_ ironic because the guy behind that quote gets killed later on and it’s brutal
Phoenix Wright fan?
In the same time, Static Shock are forgotten
Im Aussie Aboriginal, fuckin good to see a black fella talk some objective truth, keep up the good work brother!
This was an extremely well done speech, wrapped up with a nice bow at the end. Bravo sir.
I’m getting your first issue.
Peter Parker is Spider-man.
I honestly prefer 2099 Spider-Man over miles plus his costume is dope
Name 1 thing you know about Miguel O'Hara and his story.
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id people are allowed to like Miguel over Miles.
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id 🤓
@Jay name 1 thing you like about him. Shouldn't be hard right?
@@javierlopez9789 he couldn't answer the question.
Peter Parker - A nerd who likes to read and works hard which eventually pays off because of his genius intellect and with his smarts it helps him get the girl of his dreams. Generally relatable mutual feeling
Miles Morales - A "black" nerd who does graffiti, which is crime but it's suppose to be "representative" of the urban culture in a positive light.
*Insert typical But muh Spider-verse and Ps5 games with Peter Darker comment*
Miles had the potential to be a brand new hero with his own story and rogues gallery. But sadly they went the lazy route and just made him Peter's replacement.
The same way there's only 1 Flash, 1 Batman, 1 Robin, 1 Green Lantern, 1 Captain America, 1 Atom Smasher, 1 Dr Fate, 1 Blue Beetle, 1 Green Arrow, 1 Speedy, 1 Aqualad, and 1 Kid Flash right? Oh wait no, all those heroes have multiple people take up their mantle.........
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id So much for originality. And respect for the characters that started it all in real life.
What’s so interesting about this video is that the numbers show that there might be an audience for Miles but no where near as much as people on Twitter would say. As a Spider-Man fan, I won’t pretend to be caught up with Miles’ comics either, but I’m legit surprised that Miles’ numbers are so low. Although I don’t expect any Spider Verse character to outsell Peter Parker. Peter Parker is the OG, and has been Spider-Man for more than 60 years. No one will ever truly replace Peter Parker as Spider-Man because Peter is just too iconic. Interesting video all around, I wasn’t sure what I was expecting when I clicked this but it wasn’t facts backed up by numbers. Much respect.
We need a What If... Miles Morales was Spider-man comic.
I would love for him to scrap the suit and become his own hero kinda like Robin became Nightwing let's have a story like that I really liked into the spider verse I enjoyed the art and soundtrack I fear that spiderman 3000 being the enemy of the sequel won't work well I hope he isn't the big bad and they have someone like chameleon or just anyone but another spiderman be the villain. Have miles transform into his own character instead of copy paste paint light brown lol I've loved Nightwing he isn't a copy of batman he's different uses batons has a glider built into his suit ect.
Personally Miles should take up his Uncle's name Prowler and roll with that. Instead of running behind Peter.
You mean Kid Arachnid?
@@ExeErdna except there's already a Prowler, Hobie Brown
Great video. Can I suggest you edit the volume of the background music. It’s a bit loud at least until the 10:00 point. But still watchable/listenable.
I think he has great potential as a character, but that he’ll always live in the shadow of Peter Parker because that’s who we all have come to associate with being Spider-Man. It’s a similar issue with Dick Grayson or some other former Robin being Batman; Batman is Bruce Wayne and that’s who we’re always going to think of him as.
I don't know Dick's case is similar because Dick never wanted to be Batman, the moments when Dick is Batman is when Bruce is missing and someone needs to be Batman since Gotham NEEDS Batman. Whenever Bruce returns, Dick returns his identity to him
wouldnt even care if he lives in the shadow of Spiderman. we all exist in the shadow of giants.
the greats accept that in humility.
Newton was one of the greatest scientists and mathematicians to ever live and still said he could only see far because he stood on the the shoulders of giants (who came before him).
guess its a difference in those who want to build on the past and those who want to destroy it in order to pretend they created something new.
modern entertainment has nothing new and need to destroy the past to pretend they created.
"Peter Darker" 🤣
Miles is fine just dont like when they lie and say he's personality and struggles are unique. Peter went through all the teenage anxiety , learning to be a hero stuff before so what is so f unique about him? Ah yes his "lightsaber" powers...
His ps5 game was even lackluster compared to its predecessor, starring the one and only Spider-man.
Only “Black Spider-Man” I know is Symbiote Spider-Man! 🤣
You're editor's use of Inspirational #4 while you talked really moved me. Make sure they receive the praise they've earned, our attention span never would have survived without the orchestral to synth swap turning in Worship Background #7. Good stuff!
Miles Morales is the only person that Peter is apparently not allowed to get upset about taking the Spiderman title or even costume from him. The guy has enough clones as it is.
Well I mean, miles is Spiderman in his world, while Peter Parker is spider man in his. And miles made his own costume though.
@@Drayton_ThorneHe stole it and spray painted it black. Duh. 🤡
@@BungieStudios aunt may literally helped him with the suit..
@@Drayton_Thorne didn’t he get given his suit?
Am I racist for laughing at "Peter Darker"?
I remember when my sister heard miles was in into the spider-verse her response was "oh miles?" then when I asked her if she knew who miles was she said no and then after a few minutes said she did not know why she was excited.
At lot of these comments perpetuate the problem of "damn you for liking something I don't"
In my opinion, he should have sacrificed himself to save the OG Spider-Man and the whole 616 Universe when the Ultimate Universe collapse into the 616 Universe. His whole thing was that he let the Ultimate Peter Parker dies because he wasn't "ready" or "brave enough". It would have wrapped his arc perfectly. It's kinda weird that he's the only Ultimate Character remaining in the 616. It's pretty much the clone saga all over again but not even acknowledge in the main book lol
Really sucks how we didn't get a story about Jessica (the female clone of Peter).
It's very interesting how miles only became popular after the spider verse movie
Yes because no one likes Comics anymore. Even before they got woke. Thats why they got woke in the first place.
I honestly wish they would focus more on 2099 instead of miles tbh, and its weird they said they wanted a mixed race spider-man when Miguel already exists, (Irish/Mexican mix)