How Good Were the Original Spider Man Comics? • The First Decade of the Web Slinger • Retrospective
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Bro what an amazing video! You can tell much effort went into making this. It's crazy to think that Spider-Man is 60 years old, and Marvel Editorial still refuses to let him be happy🥲
Being completely happy would ruin the character its called Parker luck for a reason
TomPut it simply, Spider-Man being happy is not Spider-Man 😂
Please, please make more but leading to modern day that'd be so cool
@@lexxismarin4012 like ultimate or spectacular or the newer amazing run lol. theres a lot
@@HirstMovies definitely spectacular and the earlier amazing run
The amazing part of the 1960-2000 era was how dynamic it was.
Origin, high school, college, adult, marriage, child...all surrounded by an amazing supporting cast that felt natural as he matured.
This was my Spider-Man seeing him grow from the perpetual underdog to becoming among the best of all Marvel's pantheon.
Granted the collage to adult marriage era was stretched out more than the previous 2
You mean 1962-2007
I don’t know if 40 years could be considered an era lol but yeah the first 10 years alone are more of an era
I always found it interesting that Spider-Man’s high school career is so emphasised on modern media to the point where most of his characterisation is done during those years. But in the comics it was only 26 issues of a 400 issue run
900 issue run lol
@@ItsOver9000Productions really, I guess the name changed. I looked on Marvel unlimited and the Amazing Spiderman (1963) has 4 hundred and something comics. but if the name changed after that then that makes sense that the total would be 900
They should really move on with spidey, its getting more and more boring being stuck in the same events over and over😭😭
To be fair, while 26 issues might seem short for us readers today who can binge-read the issues, you have to understand that each of these were only published monthly. For readers of the time, Peter was in high school for a few years. Even in continuity, he got his powers during his sophomore year of high school, rather than in his senior year like the Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield movies would have you think. So much of Peter's early character development took place during his high school years, and even the iconic moment when he lifted the machinery only happened when he'd probably only been in college for a week or two.
Ultimate spiderman taking place entirely before he graduated has a lot to do with it i think. Raimis movie came out before that series really got popular and he graduates before he really even became spiderman.
What I love about the original comic issues of Spider-man is how Flash Thompson is portrayed not as a stereotypical bully or jock-like character that Hollywood likes to joke about, but more realistic and grounded as being flawed as much as Peter was early in his high school life. Flash even tried reaching out to Peter to be friends but Peter was so used too being an anti-social jerk, that he rejected him and had a bit of an ego about himself.
“If you have an idea that you genuinely think is great, don’t let some idiot talk you out of it”
-Stan Lee, talking about Spider Man 🕊
I love that quote. I'm following it to a T.
gotta give credit to steve ditko too, spider man’s first years stories were created by ditko, stan lee took little to no part of it.
the fly that inspired him to create Spider-Man is the mvp
@@jh89g8icxhas08 Theres a spider fly comic strip from a newspaper in one of the spiderverse comics I read. I think its a tribute to that specific fly.
@WilsonNMM oh, Stan just scripted the stories and edited the stories and had final say over anything Ditko did.....
Originally Stan had Kirby draw Spider-Man......if Stan had been happy with Kirbys Spider-Man, Ditko would not have been drawing Spider-Man.
So Stan had a lot to do with Spider-Man.
And Spider-Mans sales and popularity skyrocketed after Ditko left when Stan and Romita were making the stories each month.
Ditko was great! But Ditko being great doesn't mean Stan wasn't great too.
From Harry Potter to Spider-Man Movieflame is just continuing to make great content
Please continue this series. As someone who was always interested in what the comics were like, this was awesome as it let me actually see the stories. I also want to see how comic Peter's story continues with MJ and eventually the one and only Venom! Definitely do more videos on other franchises you love, its awesome and a breath of fresh air. Don't feel like you have to make the same franchise content over and over because your videos are a joy to watch in of themselves.
Why don’t u go read them instead of being spoon fed normie
@@wastedxlama54 some people don’t have the time to sit down and read 60 years worth of comic books.
@@keistopherc It’s not necessary to read every single comic ever published. They can just read what seems interesting to them
@@wastedxlama54 sometimes ppl like to listen to the opinions of others
@@wastedxlama54 chill out buddy
I think it’s safe to say you’re not just a film fan anymore, you are a comic fan too now.
You did an amazing job with this one Morgan. There’s a lot of things I remember from when I used to read the comics myself years ago and plenty of little details I never knew especially all of the omages we saw in the movies.
I’m so sharing this with all I know!!!
This deserves 10x times the views. If there's one thing that bugs me, it's a masterpiece like this, not getting the push it deserves. Ever since TH-cam changed the algo, long term content has been pushed down. Bro, you're a creative genius, i absolutely loved the video.
Thanks Dean!
Hello!
Definitely
He should do his modern day comics next
The Big Man story would be reworked for Spectacular Spider-Man with Tombstone being The Big Man, ironically Foswell is the one who brings him down due to going undercover
Also the story of If this be my destiny was reworked into The Spectacular Spider-Man Episode where Doc Ock under the alias "The Master Planer" kidnaps Gwen Stacy and holds her ransom to gane access to a super computer
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Yes. Always putting in the work. And it really shows. Alsways good and fun content. Love you man (:
Ah yes, moveflame, my favourite youtuber
Easily top3 youtubers
Does he?
@@OutFreak28 yeah
This was great and unexpected from you. I, like so many others like Spiderman because he is just like us but he got superpowers to deal with. He is absolutely the most relatable superhero for this reason. I am looking forward to more of this series!
My favorite depiction of Spider-Man outside the comics is the Spectacular Spider-Man series created by Victor Cook and Greg Weisman who also created the Young Justice series and if you haven't checked it out I highly recommend it because it is considered by fans to be one of the greatest depictions of the character.
At 16:31 the comic scene being depicted was also re done in Spectacular Spider-Man as well!
Hell spectacular spider-man makes me want to read early spider-man comics
Imo the best adaptations of Peter Benjamin Parker were in animation: Spider-Man TAS, Spectacular Spider-Man and Into the Spider-Verse
Despite being comics from the 60's these still some of the best well written Spider Man stories to this day, perfectly mixing fun super hero concepts with very relatable teenager drama.
I specially like how the comics shows Peter growth from high school to colleage, with many of his supporting characters like Betty Brant and Liz Allan being replace by characters like Harry Osborn, Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy, and the stories became less comedic sitcoms and more dramatic. It really helps the stories to sell the idea that Peter is truly growing and dealing with changes in his life, something very unique for comic books at the time, in which the main character life didn't change that much nor his supporting cast (ex: Superman was still a reporter and his suporting cast was Lois and Jimmy; Batman still lived in his mansion with Dick Grayson as his sidekick).
@@Clowningaround326 Because in the late 50's/early 60's comic book stories were very simple typical super hero stuff (a villain shows up, the hero saves the day, the end). When Marvel begin their stories, the focus change and the writers like Stan Lee gave the characters more personality and relatable problems that made them so unique compare to the stories that came before.
This was such a masterpiece. I can tell their was a lot of hard work and effort was put in
Romita was probably THE best Spider-Man artist. Of course modern comics are ridiculously detailed and digitally modified into absurdity, but his style is so clean man.
Yup.
Todays comics are just too overwritten and the art too complicated and all over the place.
And outside of a few ( like John Jr!) most of the artists don’t seem to know how to tell stories.
I mostly blame the writers though.
Because they use full script and tell the artist exactly and precisely what to do in every panel and most of the time it visually does not work.
Just try to read todays books just by looking at the art!
Impossible!
But years ago EVERY comic could be read that way.
They should go back to the marvel method - it was cleaner and simpler and easier to follow.
As you said -
John Romita showed them all exactly how it should be done many years ago!
This is phenomenal. I hope you go on to cover each decade, that'd be wonderful to see.
J. Michael Straczynski’s Spider-Man run with John Romita Jr was legendary and I would highly recommend Nick Spencers run.
I can't believe he's 60 years old. that's crazy that he still stands out. my dad was a kid when spider man first came out and I can see why the appeal.
He's not 60 years old, the main peter parker is 28 years old.
i believe that the spectacular spider-man TV show was the most comic accurate spider man, as it included most key characters and most villains including many of the famous comic scenes such as peter lifting the building off himself, George Stacy loved Spider-man, and the Enforcers
Facts
The 90s show covered several comic arcs exactly. Including stupid Aunt May. They just replace Gwen with MJ (Which is a capital sin). I do think Spectacular is a better show, but it isn't the most faithful.
@@Celtic1020 yep
@@Celtic1020 Both versions took liberties. I'm more partial to the way TSSM took it's liberties it just sucks that it was cut short cause it ended off with so much left unexplored. A lot of TSSM was almost a straight adaptation of storylines but having the core group of characters there right out of the gate. I do like some changes that the 90s show did and thought that the Green Goblin plot was maybe even better than TSSM (Norman and Harry felt less flat than TSSM and the 90s show actually adapting that Bridge Death then the Clone Saga was ballsy).
TSSM is generally very intelligent with its liberties. Oftentimes, the "liberties" are "choosing to draw from the Ultimate comics/'90s animated series/Raimi films" instead of the 616 comics for a particular concept or story beat. And I think it generally picks and chooses where to draw inspiration very effectively (it does introduce entirely new, good ideas as well).
I have no problem calling it the stronger show than the '90s animated series, and is in the running to be the "definitive" Spidey adaptation. I do feel like people approach the '90s series with a bit too broad of a brush, ripping into it for some of its obvious, low-hanging fruit flaws, and not giving credit where it's due (it balances season-long, ongoing plots with episodic conflicts very well, it captures a college-age Peter perfectly, and his inner monologue and dry sarcasm just suits the character so well, it pretty much eclipsed the comics as the blueprint for the symbiote/Venom storyline...).
"Thank God for you, Morgan."
Please do a video of the best Spider-man comics. I'd like to see Mary Jane's character development. I never knew how shallow she was in the beginning. Although, her most famous line should've been a clue. But I like the change at the end, where she was there for Peter.
MovieFlame is now my guilty pleasure channel. I mean he covers everything from books to movie to comics all about series and characters i adore (Harry Potter, Spider-Man etc) keep up the great work Morgan you are a great lad
This was genuinely so amazing, please continue with this series!
The 90s and 80s personally is mainly my favourite and the most iconic
Spider-Man is one of my favorite superheroes. And each Spider-Man actor portrays Spider-Man in different likenesses.
Dude, this was such a great video! Great job!!! This is definitely a video I am going to circle back to again and again! Spider-Man is my favorite superhero of all time and I always enjoy watching videos that detail the early comics, how impactful they were back then and how impactful they still are to this day. You definitely did it justice and hope to see more videos you do of this type of content. Whether that be Spider-Man, Batman, or other superheroes.
This was an impeccable video. Probably my favourite video you’ve ever done. I really hope you do another decade.
This was absolutely incredible! I learned so much more about Spider-Man from the comic books thanks to this video. Please do a part 2 ‘cause this is perfect!
also please do more videos like this, seeing the history of a series like spiderman was great honestly. keep up the wonderful work!! 💜
I love this video! I hope that you do more on Spider-Man. You also mentioned Batman so I would love for you to cover him as well.
I really hope you will continue this series, this was awesome!
Ththis is awesome, thanks Morgan! Keep up the great work! It’s greatly appreciated and loved!
this is such a well crafted video . Amazing
so so awesome to see you take a deep dive into another one of my great loves. i was always a spider-man/batman kid reading comics growing up
Love the type of videos that go in depth to the comics Thanks for the video keep up the great work
This may not be a typical vid from you, but I loved it and loved hearing more about you
My dad loves this superhero since he's one of the best and most interesting characters throughout the whole series.
you’re my favorite creator, you are so entertaining and you are soooo good at your craft. keep doing what you’re doing.
Absolutely brilliant video. Unearthing this Spider-Man history and making it so releavant to the present day movies? Dude. Just superb.
Amazing video retrospect. You've given me more info of Spidey's history than I originally had, I would love for you to continue this retrospect of 616 Spider-Man.
Spider- Man is one of my favorite superheroes, but I've never read the comics. I must admit these are pretty good, especially Peter and Gwen's relationship.
Awesome Video bro! Great hard work and effort. Thank you Morgan Ross!
The “And this b**** actually shoots!” tickled me so much! 😂😂😂 “Come on! I hate this b****” lmao
Wow Morgan that has got to be your best work by far and you did an amazing job from beginning to end you should be proud of yourself of what you accomplish because you deserve it big time
Please continue this series it was great seeing the evolution of Peter and all his supportive cast
I've always wanted to read the original Spider-Man comics, but honestly never really got to it since I find the art style too old school for my taste. So this video is actually perfect! Thanks for this amazing content. Can't wait for more. Cheers!
What for me always made spiderman fantastic was that you did not only read about the super hero stuff but also about the common live of peter. A guy like so many others struggling with relationaships and struggling to pay bills having to take extra jobs someone you could indentify with.
Love this channel Morgan. Keep up the great work❤😊
This was an awesome video! I really enjoyed this! I read these a long time ago but you did a great recap! Looking forward to the next ten years. Thank you for putting this out!
These never disappoint 🔥🔥
I keep rewatching over and over again. As someone who loves Spiderman, this video is just treasure to me.
Awesome video man! this was truly amazing (no pun intended) 🔥🔥🔥
Amazing video! Great work. Thank you so much. As a Guy who also grew up and read all of spider man early it was amazing to hear your perspective.
I hope you will continue the series 🙂
I really hope you continue this series as I enjoyed you going over Spider-Man’s early years and I do want to see you go over his later years
Thank you for all your hard work Morgan I love your content 🙂
Kinda impressive that you spent the last 3 months working on a video for us
U know what take a break you deserve it 💙
I really enjoyed this! Great video!
I say this could be the next big series you do, like the difference between the HP books and films.
This video is gonna be invaded by my dad if he finds these, i swear- half of our house is filled with comics like these lol
This video was amazing!!!!
I beg more parts of this please ❤️♥️
I love rereading this era of spidey. Hes my second favorite hero behind Batman, just narrowly and I can relate to him so much. These early days had so many great issues, probably my favorite extended run in any comic
You did really good with this video man. Makes me want to re-read all those comics myself! And I'd love to watch Part 2
wow!! this is truly a masterpiece, will definetly watch it a second time... Thank you a lot, really made my day!!
BRO! I know this video isn't doing as well as some others but it is maybe my favorite of yours ever! ❤ please continue this. I would be so happy if you even made one more video it would be great! Love your vids!
Loved the video, hope for the next parts
Amazing video ! Loved this indepth research on 60's spiderman
I really enjoyed your retrospective. I'm subscribing to check the next ones too! Your thoughts were really similar to my own reading the early years. Those years were something special cause the friend group dynamic was endearing and I got invested in Peter's life. It was unfortunately brief, cause I genuinely wanted it to stay the adventurous, fun years more before the angst dampered it.
I really grew to like Gwen as well and enjoyed the Gwen/Peter dynamic. She loved Peter for aspects of himself that existed outside of his superpowers (neither MJ or Black Cat fell for Peter since Spider-man was always a factor, but with Gwen I could buy that they'd have liked each other even if he never had powers). I'm also grateful that you mentioned how people neglect to mention Mary Jane's behavior in the early years cause she was not the least bit sympathetic back then. When people act like she was more interesting/a better choice for Pete pre-issue 121... I honestly can't for the life of me see it! I just think about how cruel she was to Harry (spurring his addiction and inadequacy for no reason other than getting a kick out of hurting someone else) and how she mocked Gwen when Peter showed up looking mentally-ill at Gwen's birthday party (when they retcon MJ to having known Peter's secret all along it looks more bitchy of her to do that). I still can't see 616!MJ as being the ideal girl I'd want to see Peter with after that behavior. Making her have a Freudian excuse for it just feels like 180 for her. I very much love her in the Raimi movies (where she's got flaws but she's not intentionally belittling people) and cartoons and so on... the comics not so much.
And speaking of unlikable, YES, Aunt May in the early comics is too dumb to live. I swear, I could not even with her bizarre reasoning for hating Spider-man and adoring Doc Ock. What a nutty woman. It's amazing that she managed to not go down in history as the stupidest comics character of all time.
I loved Sandman in the original, he was just a goofball. In his first issue he broke into a school whilst fighting Spider-Man and went “now that I’m here I might as well get a diploma” and then he tried to force a teacher or school administrator to give him one and they refused because they needed to be earned.
First off, I’m happy you fault your addictions and won man! Continue to persevere! Second, this video was phenomenal and you have a new subscriber. Keep up the great work!
Love your video man. I don’t normally comment but I love watching all of your video and I hope you make another spider man content!!!
Please do Retrospective of all Spider-Man Movies please, that would be great
Please make more of these retrospectives on Spider-Man comics. The editing and narration is so well done and I’d like to see your thoughts on the further spidey stories like kraven or venom
Didn’t expect to see aunt May’s villain origin story.
Great vid! The first 300 issues of amazing spiderman are probably one of the most consistent runs in comic book history. In particular the first 100 issues are really top notch, despite potentially being tempted to think otherwise with how old they are. And you're completely right, the writers really make you care about Peter's personal life almost more than the spiderman parts of his comic. The cast on the whole was really well done, I'm glad to see someone else appreciate this series! If you continue to do videos on amazing spiderman I'd like if you make each video cover roughly 100 issues of the series because the series really does kind of divide itself up by the hundreds in terms of story.
Great work I really loved this coverage of the first ten years, if you have the time please cover the rest, and congratulations on your sobriety
How does this video only have about 17 thousand views? This is so good
great work man! please keep doing this series
Aunt May saying hep instead of hip is not joke but an indication she from the pre world war 2 generation as hep from hepcat was the term until the late 50 when teenagers changed it to hip to show they were young.
This is an incredible analysis of the spider-man comics. You have officially made Gwen Stacy my favorite character and Aunt May is awful.
You should check out Spiderman Blue its a retelling of how Peter and Gwen fell in love. It's written by Jeph Loeb and illustrated by Tim Sale. Also if you're getting into comics I'd suggest Daredevil. He has ,in my opinion, some of the best comics of all time as well as an absolutely awesome TV series
Spider-Man Blue is actually on my list! I check for it every time I go to the comic book store but haven’t had any luck. Thanks for the recommendations I’m def gonna check daredevil out
There is also one's like Kraven's last hunt. And the infamous Clone Saga, Sins Past, and One More Day.
Kingpin was în Daredevill movie theres no live action movies with Spiderman having Kingpin în it
Awesome. I read a lot of these many years ago. Nice to see it all summed up in one video. Please do more of these (20, 30, 40, 50 years?)
Movie Flame i really enjoyed this video please do one on all his timeline all 60 (or more) years, long or short. This video defines hard work
As someone who just started reading Nick Spencer's run, I really enjoyed this. Makes me want to go back and read these! Please do more!
Hey Morgan, I am glad you were able to kick the addiction, I can’t imagine that was easy. Take care of yourself and thank you for such quality videos.
Thank you for this. I read most of those comics when they first came out but there is so much I only half remembered
Excellent video I hope you continue the retrospective
This video is so bloody good it makes me want to read the original comics.
And the stuff with Aunt May, WTF?!
The storylines where Green Goblin found out about Peter's identity and Norman Osborn throws a dinner party was used in the 90's Spider-Man cartoon and they combined them with the Death Of Gwen Stacy storyline but with MJ instead of Gwen
Harry Osborn îs The Second Green Goblin
You missed that Point
Yea which makes it kind of odd, since the whole reason they didn’t use Gwen in that cartoon was cus they didn’t want to do that story, yet they did it anyways. Obviously there’s some differences like how mj doesn’t actually die, but as far as the characters are aware, she does, so same difference
I really loved your video!!! When I heard you say that you didn’t care about Bruce Wayne but wanted to see Batman kick ass I remembered the WEBTOON series Batman Wayne family adventures where they put more character into Bruce Wayne the the actual comics. I really recommend that!
Watched ur vids since 2018 Lu bro
Good job! This was where to begin, for sure, but also, a much-simpler decade, as Spider-Man had maybe a dozen guest shots, but just one title. Marvel Team-Up begins in the last year of your video. I think you made the right choices for dramatic impact- that's more important than trying to reach out for every Kangaroo hop or Kang robot.
And this is why Continuity, Canon, and Lore matter.
I would love to see a follow up, each episode a new decade of spiderman. Brilliant video!
really amazing video. Hope we get to see one covering the next ten years.
this is so fun to watch great job man
we totally need more videos like this.
40:48 Uhh hell yea man do more of these and also I would just LOVE just really really love if u were to eventually talk about Brian Bendis’s legendary run Ultimate Spider-Man come on man it’d be a helluva video
I actually like how Peter wears his glasses, to hide his Identity or something.
Best change from comics to movie is aunt Mays character development.
I was wondering what comics you bought in preparation for this video? I’m very interested in reading them after watching this. Love the video by the way keep up the great work!
Nice video dude, I would love to see a video about the next decade too.