I love Spider-Man more than anything, have over 100 hours in sm2 already and really enjoyed it. With that being said I’m not too stupid to say I agree with most things you said unfortunately. The game should’ve been better. Great vid
Pinned your comment! I’m glad you can enjoy the game and have criticisms of it. 100 hours is awesome. Glad you got your money’s worth. Hope the DLC also serves you well.
What was so great about this game? The story sucked, it was woke as fuck, MJ was awful, no Eddie Brock, and a whole lot more! I've seen videos that point out just how woke this game is. Like how insomniac removed police from crimes because liberals hate cops. And during the fight with MJ, Peter apologizes for shit he had no control over because of the alien infecting his brain! Also I was so pissed that they killed the best sinister six characters! I feel like Scorpion should have been harder to kill, he was literally made to kill spider-man! But Kraven kills him with one move... FUCK YOU INSOMNIAC!
@@Mr_Blueberry OH! Speaking of peter parkers face, did you see where they said they couldn't change the face because of mocap. But they changed MJ's face to look like some other woman who didn't do the voice. What a bunch of ass holes.
@@Mr_Blueberry I felt like that Venom mission felt more like playing with the Hulk. You basically are a big rage monster who can only jump and punch. When I think venom I think using webs and not tendrils to swing and fight like spider-man. Only stronger. I feel like every version of venom now days suck! He has no webs or white spider in the movie, and this version feels like a jealous ex lol. "you don't love us anymore spider-man! So i'm running off with Harry to destroy the town you love! Harry be a dear and let me inside you!" lol
The most thing that I hate in the game is Peter. BRO HE CANT DO ANYTHING UNTIL MILES COMES TO HELP . HE CANT LIFT THE TROLLEY WITH WEBS WHEN IN THE FIRST GAME HE LITERALLY LIFTED THE CRANE WITH WEBS TOO . The game wont change if we just delete Peter from the game entirely
It was already the case with the first, sadly. Peter was becoming an idiot when the story needed (Spider-Sense is gone also whenever the writers felt like it) and he always had to be helped ultimately (helped by Otto, helped by MJ, helped by Miles, leading to this hilarious scene where Peter, a man with Spider-Strenght is dragged by Miles and MJ who looks like her own clothes is too much to bear for her. Nothing Pete does is from his own work), they just turn it up to 15 and now everybody is seeing it.
@@Cavye Actually, no. You can actually play the game to understand. Call me a liar if you want, but you should play and understand the material you dedicate your life to hating
Anti-venom can heal people in the comics with just a touch. With that in mind, it’s kind of stupid how Peter isn’t just getting rid of Harry’s illness when it should be possible.
I can understand they're doing their own take on symbiotes (with Venom being fireproof and all) but yeah I agree that they should've specified details to clear up misunderstandings or plot holes. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Spidey and Insomniac fan and I enjoyed the story but it just felt rushed; as well as lacking in effort compared to the first game.
I think it's because Harry also took the goblin serum as an experiment. That's probably why he can't heal. However it is true. Anti Venom should've healed Harry. It could've been cool if Harry became Anti Venom.
100% agree man. Preordered, both. Platinumed both. Have loved Spider-Man since I was 5. I’ve had months of feeling like something was off. I unfortunately agree this game has a lot of issues.
We don’t see Kraven himself actually do much. He basically just sits around while his minions do all the actual hunting and capturing where he then kills the supervillains in a remote location of his choosing after studying them. Imagine how much cooler it would’ve been if Kraven purely just broke the villains out of prison and let them out into the streets of New York, basically making New York the jungle/hunting ground that him and his hunters then use to search for the villains over time and kill them with it being up to Peter and Miles to try to get to them first before Kraven does with there being some successes and some failures as we see Kraven himself actually hunt these villains down in New York with maybe a mission or two involving a chase where you and Kraven are chasing after a villain (like Vulture, or Electro, or Shocker) with one of you trying to get to him first as Kraven also tries to slow you down with enemies and destroying buildings and stuff. It basically allows Kraven to be much more involved than just showing up once in a while to do something, leave, then show up again later to do another thing or fight someone
I can understand the need for minions because you can't just be doing bossfights the whole time (even then the bossfight sequences were so close to each other near the end it felt like that's what you WERE doing). Instead, imagine if we got a battle sequence where we keep switching between the Spider-Men and switching between fighting Kraven and his minions; what's more is they could've also added Kraven and the other Spidey fighting in the background or around you while you fight the minions as Miles or something, then when there's no more minions you both fight Kraven together.
@@MAstery2ify Kravens followers feel weird in this game. In my opinion, Shattered Dimensions did the whole concept of Kraven having an army better than this game did as in that game, his followers went full authentic hunters in terms of design and style but SM2 has them talk like they’re hunters and all about being “strong” and “in-tune with nature” and “instincts” and stuff like they’re hunters and stuff but then they turn around and heavily rely on advanced technology like robot birds and dogs, cloaking tech for bases, air ships, etc. it’s like they say and talk like they’re those old school hunters that follow peoples scents and study the area and all that, but then turn around and use tracking software to do all the work for them. That plus their designs just aren’t as cool as the Shattered Dimensions ones.
You probably could do all that if you dropped the mini games. Kraven busting out the criminals and turning the city into zoo york would be great since you've chaos around. But that's a lot of content with more planning unlike basic mini games.
Kraven is a d list spidy villain don't act like he's a venom or green goblin the most impressive thing he did was wear a spider man suit and act like peter for two days😂
I really enjoy the web-swinging. The combat has some upgrades, but the first game I felt more powerful. The story I totally agree with you. They had a lot of potencial to make a great story, but… Maybe the third one would be. Excellent video by the way
The symbiote invasion should’ve been saved for the carnage dlc or whatever they decide to do with carnage in the future. Venom should’ve been a more street level situation. Harry could’ve gone around just wrecking the city by taking out what was left of the Hunters and that naturally drags him and Peter into direct conflict. The symbiote could then start influencing Harry to go after MJ and Miles to hurt Peter.
Yeah the color it would fit better considering that carnage runs a cult so he would’ve Most likely give him the same PO to his cult members and they would’ve affected more people basically expanding the cult
I think the push to be more 'cinematic' is why they keep focusing on non-spiderman stuff. In comics, side characters plotlines are given small cuts in between the action and their scenes are usually focused around the protagonist's perspective. In a game, cutscenes of side characters works but that translates poorly in gameplay since you have to actively put on the brakes and force the player to play the sections. Instead of making more content focused on the stars of the game, they tried to cram the others in to flesh out the story. Almost every non hero section could just be a cutscene and deliver the same feeling.
@Mr_Blueberry Someone in the comments mentioned the idea of fighting each member of the sinister six that Kraven released. Imagine two spiders running around trying to get to the villains before Kraven along with the plotline. Peter stressing this much helps his reliance on the suit and Miles starts to really see the strain of trying to balance a life while trying to save the city. Maybe Peter is the one to eventually go full venom and Miles battles the real ugly side of being spiderman and seeing the road the mask can lead him to. Lots of emotional story to squeeze out there with the climax of Kraven, Venom, Peter versus Miles just from that.
this hit the nail on the coffin. as an inspiring author, if your story has to rely on the perspectives of others, that take away time to flesh out the main ideas to deliver a fleshed out and cohesive story, then its not a good story.
This game actually sucks. Thank goodness some people are not afraid of getting annihilated by fanboys and are openly criticising what needs to be criticised.
I haven't played the game but could tell the story was mediocre from the cutscenes. Is my opinion valid? Because I was told I cannot say anything negative about the Arkham game portrayals of characters without playing (I did play them and my opinion didn't change) but playing the game doesn't make a character all of a sudden a good portrayal. Penguin and mad hatter in particular. Neither are bad at all, just not what I prefer and most of the villains seem 2 dimensional evil.
Not sure why people are so mad about a different opinion, it’s refreshing to see how others perceive the game. I think saying it sucks is a bit harsh though but I definitely think a lot of aspect’s just felt like there wasn’t enough time put into them. I never felt like Peter wearing the suit got enough development to warrant making the player feel like Peter needs to remove it. Hell, Peter himself doesn’t even make the realization it was more Miles that ends up helping him get the suit off. I really feel like Peter should have chose to do that himself, maybe they could have had him hurt Miles and realize the suit is doing more harm than good.
People are insecure and take it too personal, as if, someone not liking the game is somehow a statement about them too. For them it's hard to fathom that, something they like so much, could possibly be bad or unliked by others, so they take it as a slight to their taste in things, suddenly "you think something I like is bad? So I'm stupid?!?!?" Is where their mind goes unfortunately.
Omg bro nobody ever or rarely overcomes addiction alone. They overcome it by ppl around them to a certain extent that leads them to take it off. This dude just disrespected the Spider-Man franchise and gaming in general. If this game sucks then all games sucks. The same points he put in this video can be related to all games. All gaming sucks and if u don’t like games maybe not play them
@@King_QM23Insomniacs Spider-Man isn’t the first to tackle the concept of the black suit being akin to substance abuse. So many Spider-Man stories address the high Peter gets from having the suit and how powerful and good it feels but they also handled him getting rid of it better because Peter sees the actual harm he causes and how much the suit has changed him for the worst that he realizes that it needs to stop even if it means he loses the power. Here, it takes Miles beating the crap out of him and telling him how bad it is (despite having little interaction with the symbiote) to make Peter take it off. At least Spider-Man 3, for as flawed and meme able as it was, did something like have Peter hit MJ to make him realize how horrible he has become to help snap him out of the black suits influence because he realizes that he just hit the woman he loves because of its influence.
I just finished the game which made this video absolutely hilarious to me because its almost exactly what I was thinking the entire time. 6/10 but it only gets that extra point for being a spider-man game
The dialogue in this game feels like it was writen by people who believe microagressions are a real thing feels like they are trying to not offend anyone
BRO I'M SO HAPPY SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT THIS!!!!!! I have been so annoyed nobody shared this opinion other than my friends. And now I consider you my friend. Your 'unpopular opinions' are just so rational and even if not loved by everyone don't make them invalid. Definitely subbing. Shout-Out to you my guy!
@@adiasdiante1010 that symbiote invasion pissed me off tbh. It was undercooked and unexplained. Harry as Venom wouldn't have been bad, but Harry wasn't even there. It felt like I was seeing and fighting Venom. Not Harry as Venom with own intentions and ideas. Nah, just Venom.
I was super mad about the Harry as Venom thing but while waiting for the game my best friend told me to give insomniac a chance and trust them. After playing it we are both pissed off. I also gave it a 5/10
@@adiasdiante1010 my guy! You know what sucked the most? I loved the game so much, until they did the Venom stuff so piss poor. Which ruined the overall experience for me. It really was almost the best Spider-Man game. They just fumbled the Venom/Harry storyline, the side content was not enough or good enough and the ending with Harry being revived I disliked too.
What's crazy is that this game has had TWO major (allegedly) updates, but the game is still so fucking buggy. Even after the updates, i got stuck inside a building, a Hunter vehicle got stuck in a tree, I was going to crime areas only for nothing to be there, and a couple symbiotes got trapped inside of a bus. How tf do you have a game that has been out for several months and has had 2 big updates, yet you DON'T patch these simple glitches?
I loved the first game but I agree that it lacks side content. Yes, it has side missions but those feel like extra missions. Things like having stores, random encounters, civilians who need to be saved, and other nonlinear things that players could experience would massively improve these games.
I had not played the first PS4 game before picking up the sequel. Every single news and review site, even "totally real people" in comment sections, were hyping and goating it into the heavens. It started off great with Sandman, kinda weird to start me off with a bossfight but turns out the first game did too (better imo, because Sandman is endgame material and Kingpin is kinds redundant even in his own content because his skill is cunning not combat) Then it dived HARD. The first thing I did was stop people robbing a gunstore, which was like "okay weird, I would go for the bank" but still decent filler combat . . . until Peter Parker started lecturing them abour gun control. This was strange at first, the joke was "lets have compliment clubs instead of gun clubs" and I feel like a toddler could write a better one. It became BAFFLING to me upon playing the first game after dropping the second, to find that the city had BEEN INVADED AND CONQUERED multiple times by criminals, demons, and a foreign army. I can suspend my disbelief of NYC getting taken over, sure. But you cant tell me that this universe's Peter Parker is anti gun. It also seemed totally jarring how 9/11 basically just happened again and Spidey is just back to slingin and cracking jokes. If I remember right, buildings were partially or completely destroyed and sand tornadoes roamed the streets. Show me at least some shred of an aftermath . . . but no no no we need to skip right ahead to Miles's deaf girlfriend and strong independent black principal. Alsp, the characters should NOT have been changed. I geniunely thought something was wrong with my SM2 disc because SM1 just looked better in most ways, especially character detail and design. I get that they wanted him to look like Holland, but its the same VA as the first game. Horrible move. MJ is pretty scuffed in SM2, like big Mass Effect Andromeda vibes. Not necessarily the ugliest thing ever, just off. Kraven is lame, big sad lame nothing burger compared to the Sinister 6. Venom is cool but so underutilized and lame that I kinda hate it. Venom should just be the main antagonist of this game, switching you to Miles after it takes over Peter, allowing the endgame to unlock both at the same time. Then Harry could be saved for the third entry, where Peter and Miles take on both Goblins or something along those lines. Took me less than a minute to massively improve this game. Oh and why did I have to save the same guy's boyfriend over and over again. New York is a very liberal place but seriously are gay people just unphased by danger in this world? Honestly the second game felt like a beta for the first. A lesser version in almost every way. More stuff, less polish, no balance. I'm glad I played SM2 first because it somehow made the first game one of my favorite titles ever.
reasonable critique. I am happy someone spoke about repetitive gameplay, annoying missions with other characters, and peter looking odd (what happened to MJ💀💀) So far Miles is the best game in the series if you consider time:action ratio.
miles IS the best game and had me hyped for sm2 like no other. but idk how tf the pacing is worse in sm2, worse combat cause sm2 didnt really change anything or add anything really new. having abilities arent combos cause they cant even be used with the regular gameplay. its all surface level
Part of this video's critiques are extremely reasonable, but the other part kind of just makes me think he did no research. I dunno. I agree with a lot of what he said but other things are just straight up not true, lol.
MJ was possibly a self insert. She is clearly a representation of one of the Insomniac writers, just look it up. I guess all the below average, frumpy looking women that have invaded the video game industry and started the outrage mobs felt misrepresented, so they made MJ a homely looking woman who dressed like a man. Next game she’ll probably be transsexual, with the way Sony is kowtowing to the woke crowd. I don’t even like Spooder Man and this type of stuff pisses me off.
4:20 - Than you! MJ claims to be Peter girlfiriend and put out that slanderous article lying on him. She even acknowledged that Peter was asleep and the Symbiote was in control of him so he wasn't responsible for that night. Peter was 100% not in the wrong here he doesn't even remember what happened due to being sleep
You've forgot to mention how woke game is. Example: Black history in side mission. All enemies who stole instruments are white. Deaf girl mission and keeps forcing the black history talk through her in main mission (walking in the park with Miles scene). BLM graffiti in MM and in 2nd game. Kilmonger yee-ahh haircut exposing part of his identity on black Spider-Man. Colgate outfit on Miles. Keeps advertising Adidas shoes. Latinx language. Expanded the most boring MJ missions showing her as being powerful female instead of being weak (same they're doing in Wolverine with Jean Grey), forced girl presentage as mc. Giving only 1 small mission playing as Venom. All worked by Bryan Intihar (who said about MJ complains and said that he aka "they" don't care) and written by Brittney Morris (woke activist).
My big complaint is after the vemon vs kraven fight. It felt like they made vemon evil for no reason and kraven's death was just forgot about really fast. Plus they threw in like 40 years of venom lore into an hour which felt really rushed.
It goes downhill after that for sure Venom was marketed as a huge,Nemesis type threat but then he was just menacing and that's it? I agree that Venom didn't really have a reason to be evil and,while I liked Harry, he looked goofy when he was trying to be dark and evil in the Scream section of the game He looks too much like a Kpop singer lol
Yeah, Venom himself (not including Harry), isn’t very well explained in terms of his motives besides giving everyone else a symbiote with the meteorite SOMEHOW being important to that
I agree with almost everything said here, and between everyone I’ve talked to who played this game they got the platinum in 17 hours. This game was like mathematically crafted to do the least amount of things possible while seeming like it’s doing the most
One thing I dislike about the game is how the Symbiote Peter lacks a dynamic with the world. I did the Yuri mission as Anti-Venom Peter and he didn't once think about using his Symbiote abilites to lift the train off him. Cletus was about to burn him alive and Peter would sit around to let it happen if Yuri didn't push the train off him with a truck.
finally someone that critize the minigames, hated them in the first one, absolutely despised them in the second one, like WHO WANTS THAT SHIT? i bought SPIDERMAN to play SPIDERMAN, not doing this tedious BS..
Insomniac's mindset when making Spider-Man games essentially seems to be: "let's take the Spider-Man brand so we can make our own Life is Strange game."
This is quite literally the first PS5 original game I bought. I am enjoying it so far but I completely agree with you on this. It's just an empty game as soon as you finish the main story. Not to mention, the story itself is severely hurt by insomniac's brilliant decision to make MJ (Mega Jaw) John Wick, and to significantly buff Miles while making Peter the most pathetic version ever.
As somebody who adored the first game this game disappointed me but I still found enjoyment.They removed gadgets almost entirely which was one of my favorite parts about the first game and while the abilities were cool I feel like if they were to add a gadget wheel the possibilities in combat would have been endless. The story was not as compelling as the first game and seemed rushed . If they were to spend more time with venom and give Harry a proper arc I feel like the story would have prevailed the first game in terms of story as the first half with kraven was compelling enough. Overall game was around a 8.2/10 which is good but I feel like it could have been so much more.
I also had high hopes! If the game wasn’t buggy it could be a 6 maybe, but more often then not I wasn’t playing as spider-man. Thank You for watching 🤗
They should have kept Parker and Miles separate for the most part, let the cross over on a mission or two but other than that let them carry their own game. That way you don't have to worry about so many plot threads and characters that it gets bogged down like this.
Great review, although I'm surprised you had so many glitches in your game. I myself only ever experienced one and that was at the end of the game where miles was a floating head LOL
My first playthrough of Jedi Survivor took me 40 HOURS and that games has no padding, no walking sections and is just pure gameplay with skippable cutscenes. What bothers me even more is that Spiderman might beat it for best action adventure game despite being inferior in every single way. Jedi Survivor has a really good mini games where you use enemy AI in a chess board like game, and it is OPTIONAL. That is a brutal score, it is a solid 7/10.
I had to take a break because in one 3 hour session I ended up, becoming spider-cube, have miles’ model break apart in the music side mission, have Haileys model just straight up disappear except her hands and head, I fell through New York multiple times, and my game crashed. I recorded the whole thing and I may upload it someday
Honestly I expected a bit more too, like why are car chases still quick time? It's been like that for years, even before this game, time to reinvent. I want to stop the car my way, as Spiderman, I want to web the tires, or send out a giant web net down the block and hope they don't turn, jump in front of it and pound the hood ...so many things. The we swinging still needs more improvement, although 0 assist was a decent direction. Stealth is still crap and Spiderman shines at that as well as direct combat (they actually took some cool gadgets away that made stealth a little more interactive) they at least made the AI a little smarter, not quite Arkham (as I hoped) but better. Overall a little more attention to detail and freedom would have been nice
1:41 false, venom was attached to Spiderman, so he knows it's Peter, he hates peter and Spiderman just as much because Peter rejected him. Thats why he bonds with Eddie so well, they both hate peter and Spiderman
I have to 100% agree with you here. The game was disappointing. - You'd expect from the 5 year wait for this game to be almost better in every way possible, especially in the story. But this game's story just feels rushed and the pacing is all over the place. Peter's arc ended way too soon, not to mentioned he was hella nerfed and not only in gameplay (cough cough, pinned down by a fridge for a solid 2-3 mins), Venom barely had any character or personality, even his goals are kinda weak. Kraven was certainly the best part of this story but should've seen more of him instead of half of it being off screen. Also him having minions hunting for him kinda defeats the whole point of him being a hunter. And to top it all off none of the story elements in this game come even close to the emotional rollercoaster that was with the Doc Ock fight or Aunt May's death. They didn't even kill off Harry in this game which just makes Norman's desires to be a villain and want revenge kinda stupid and misunderstood. (They did save him from this black goo monstrosity) and the cherry on top being Silk teased. Why do we need 3 spiders especially when they couldn't handle 2 spideys in one story properly. Overall very disappointing story that should've had a lot lot more time to build up all its plot points. Especially when you have a Web of Shadows style invasion. Instead we got MJ missions and pointless things like ridin bikes being doubled down instead of using all that time to flush out the story more. Sorry for the long wall of texts. I hold the first game near and dear to my heart and loved its story and its representation so so much. And to see the story be way inferior despite Insomniac raising the bar so high for their storytelling really made me upset. Overall not very excited for the "final chapter". 7/10
Not to mention Peter doesn't even have time to become evil or unhinged in this game he just becomes right away. As soon as he gets the suit he's like "GUESS YOUR BOSS NEEDS BETTER AIM". he's just completely schizo in this game just switching from normal to evil in seconds. Also him not coming to the realization himself is really lame
Mfs saying this game is "the best superhero game of all time" or "the best Spider-Man game of all time or "This is Insomniac's magnum opus" with all the 9s and 10s is def not justified. First game is Insomniac's true magnum opus and I highly doubt they'll ever match it again
I see we are cut from the same cloth. The way I look at it is that the first game was a really big step and I didn’t see the miles game or this one as any significant improvement. The Kraven minion issue is kind of interesting and it didn’t bug me at the time but now it kind of does.
I wish had more Peter Parker elements, like free roam. And it could work if the devs came up with something creative instead of giving us the same game over again. Like thinking of all the activities you can do in red dead, or simply stuff like buying items from a store, something you could do as Peter and use those items to craft items for your spider suit. Or go into a clothing shop for materials for a suit repair. Something like that
amazing review you have earned a new sub :) such a breath of fresh air to see some criticism go towards this “masterpiece”. my main gripe was the barely changed combat . web of shadows has better combat
One thing I don't understand, is why the symbioses still show up in crime fights even after you complete the game, and the symbiote was removed from the streets. That makes no sense to me.
Them getting rid of Eddie Brock entirely was a horrible move. He was an interesting character and his ascetic FIT Venoms dark tendencies. Harry is the Green Goblin Jr, I swear to God the writers were TRYING to piss fans off here. Also if they remove Peter, I'll be done with the games. No Spierman? No purchase from me. Be careful Insomniac. Go woke. Go broke.
It was an extremely bad move and I can't for the life of me understand why they'd go with Harry. We have already had the friend go bad story arc twice in a row !!!
Cant confirm but i think they dont like Eddie because hes too masculine of a character, I mean they make Peter weak every chance they get in this game@@adiasdiante1010
@@mattmartin6493 omg 😳 I thought I was the only one thinking that. Im not an anti woker but you have to admit game developers who are in favor of high leftism often exclude characters who are very masculine. Think about it with how soft Peter and Miles acted in the game if Eddie was in it he would have been too much of a fan favorite. They couldn't have that ...
Sad we lost the character database and the gadgets we made in Spider-Man 1. We only see the web grenade in QTEs for stopping car chases. Worst thing Peter did here was not answering phone calls and getting angrier. And funny how Peter hates “gun clubs” but has a girlfriend with a suped up gun that can take out symbiotes and seasoned hunters. Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 3 did a better Symbiote story in 2 hours while Insomniac had around 17 hours and botched it.
But then I realized he can't give the suit to him because it's permanently attached to his body but it could still heal hairy without leaving Peter's body
When you can lay the controller down and walk away from it while a single button and the joystick are taped down…..it’s a problem when Spider-Man can actually web sling the entire distance of the city….but people will eat this shit up while they listen to Spider-Man apologize to Scream, like 30 minutes straight for zero reason lol
8:37 interesting note here apparently the main director mentioned he didn’t give a fuck about mj being op in game even people begged for her to be removed. Tbh i agree with every point in this video, i was so excited for this game and when it dropped i was but after the hype i cant help but notice how lack luster it felt afterwards, the open is one of the best we had in a while but even then the game still feels slow, a perfect swinging mechanic would be a mix of spider man 2 (movie game), web of shadows, with the animations of the insomniac games at least imo, And i know they didn’t but peter feels to fucking weak in this game especially during the sand man or venom fight and now we have a 3rd Spider-person which is about to make Peter feel like a background character at this rate.
Yeah I just recently started to play the remaster and despite my pc being weak and me being forced to play lower graphics for better quality this is better than what they did here honestly I have some better ideas on how they could have improved some issues that bothered me unfortunately i dunno where to express them in person or by voice messages,if only insomniac listened to fans rather than cutting off corners this game would have lived up to its name,yes they added a lot of cool stuff but considering how much they had to get rid off this is not worth it
The combat is god awful it’s a chore. Like why is Spider-Man struggling to fight common thugs. All the villains are spongy and button mashy. Batman Arkham games are still better
They should have started with Kraven, transitioned into the venom arch but instead of end the game there used it to lead into the carnage arch and Peter require venom's help. Cassidy gets defeated only for carnage to escape and break him out of prison for the 3rd installment.
I personally really like the game. But hey, I see where you're coming from and your opinions are completely valid. Much better than SyntheticMan's review.
I've decided to pass on this one after watching gameplay of it. It seems to be heavily focused on the wingsuit, which I'm not opposed to but too much just takes away the element of swinging. The crime disappearing thing is something I know will stress my kid out because he loves it when crimes pop up.
@domymbd It's very simple, because the media sucks up to Sony games a lot and the journalists who deify all Sony games recently receive games and products in early access, so Sony games will always be nominated for the TGA and will always receive very high marks on metacritic, and just compare the treatment that Microsoft games receive in comparison to Sony games to see the extent of hypocrisy and inconsistency when it comes to errors and failures, I think it's funny that it doesn't matter the quality that an xbox game brings, it can be insane, wonderful or whatever, even with some flaws the game will receive a lower rating and none of them are indicated in the TGA, but when it's Sony releasing a game with these same problems the hypocrites give it a high rating and it is nominated for an award, and detail this Spider 2 didn't innovate in almost anything, it seems like an expansion rather than a new game, it wasn't an absurd generational leap
I enjoyed SM1 more because I actually primarily played as Peter Parker. In SM2 it feels like they're doing everything they can for you to play anyone but Peter. The real GOAT is the SM game from 2000, or so. That shit was epic!
Peter says he needs the suit to be a better Spider-Man ( tbh I have no idea why but let’s go with it). Anyway he says he needs it to be Spider-Man. Then he gets the anti venom suit. And retires from being spiderman. It’s bad enough they tell us Peter isn’t competent enough at being a hero but the choice to retire makes no sense unless he ended the game without a symbiot suit. Cause at that point I would understand that he doesn’t feel confident enough to continue being Spider-Man
After finishing spider man 2 I'll definitely say the combat amazing, the Web swimming fun, the gliding is a upgrade love it👌but the story is very poorly done and I hate the fuck how sad and pathetic they make peter/spider man, he wines non stop, can't pull a bus off the ledge and needs miles help constantly, also why did they nerf him so much? Spider man isn't this weak. Also why do game studios make game characters so ugly now days? Really noticed how western games are making characters ugly in the models while the east and the rest if the world make them handsome or beautiful, that's why the woke crowd should never be listened to or added to games. Overall 5/10 for the game
What is funny. Is that I'm working on my own Story of this Spider-Man 2 Game. If you guys didn't notice it I found a pacing issue after Venom Kills Kraven. It gives you two feelings. One the game is done. Or two the Game is going to continue for a bit longer. Aka 1 hour or less. But it continues on for longer than that. For mine I basically give Peter more time in the Symbiote suit, I give Miles actual interesting things, and I give Peter choices. I show him how the Symbiote suit does make things better. But do the positives outweigh the negatives? That would be the question that needs a answer. Another thing that would have been cool for Spider-Man 2 Give the player a Choice. Give them the choice to either join Venom or not. If you join Venom the game continues until you have taken over all of Manhattan and prepare to take the world. In the other choice the game continues as what it will.
In ng+ they left in the dev menu and they fucked up the amazing 2 suit and they also messed up the symbiote suit when putting it on and taking it off it now clips on every suit
I played the first game a week after I came out, and even now I still like to boot up into new game plus and play it for the story, and swinging around Manhattan. Hell before I heard anything about this game I was looking to get a PS5 just for this then I play Miles Morales and my expectations dropped to neutral. Then the game came out and now I don’t want to play it. From how the handled Kraven and Venom. Then them killing off half of the Sinster Six and making Martin Lee good. They have basically destroyed a chunk of Spidey’s rouge’s gallery without thinking, and it now makes me worried for Wolverine.
This genuinely appears to be an unfiltered and honest critique. I'm inclined to believe that some larger channels might tend to gloss over significant issues in the pursuit of maintaining a positive narrative, particularly for highly anticipated games like Spider-Man. It's not uncommon for the desire to enjoy a game to overshadow objective analysis. If we scrutinize the details, considering repetitive missions, a rather generic combat system, a perceived downgrade in Spider-Man mechanics, an emphasis on flying over swinging, subpar mini-games, the absence of a new game plus feature, a lack of genuine crime dynamics in NYC, a narrative that feels overcrowded with MJ sidelining Spider-Man, a dearth of character growth, and a perceived absence of artistic vision, it becomes apparent that this game might not live up to the "masterpiece" status that some larger channels may assert. In essence, it seems that this game doesn't surpass its predecessor in any meaningful way, and the commenter raises valid points about the shortcomings that detract from its overall quality.
I had some bugs from time to time but never like what you’ve experienced so the gameplay was still pretty great, but I did miss that you can’t use focus whenever you want, no suit power ups and less gadgets. And I do agree that while Venom was good here, it was still rushed compared to how they handled Kraven. Definitely doesn’t suck like how you put it, but it wasn’t the best either so it gets an 7.5-8/10.
Fantastic video as always. I've gotten 100% completion and man do I prefer the first game so much more. Playing SM2 felt like returning to a game I've already beaten plenty of times. Most people are fine with this, and you know I quickly got myself accustomed to being Spider-Man once more with his great controls as always no problem. I still enjoy fighting bad guys and swinging around the incredibly polished and detailed NYC. But I think what disappoints me the most is that it was more of the same in terms of the open world content, how missions are structured and feels like there was little to no innovation in what you do in the city. Maybe even done worse. Nothing bad by any means, just nothing special. They played it safe for sure. I could probably look past it if the story was incredible but I wasn't all that crazy about it. You pretty much covered it with how I felt. Very rushed, plagued with pacing issues, underdeveloped characters and some plot holes. I don't think I really cared about anyone in this story. While it has it's moments like when the city got infested with Symbiotes it made me all nostalgic for Web of Shadows, but upon thinking about it that came across as very last-minute. It came and went so fast and that was all Venom wanted to do? He just felt like your standard big evil villain of the week. I will say Kraven was my favorite villain even though I don't think it makes sense for him to have an army of a thousand highly trained goons that do everything for him rather than we getting to see him in action. He wouldn't operate like this. I really wanted more screen time with Kraven because the ideas they were adapting are something we've haven't seen in any Spidey film or game. Venom to me feels so overplayed at this point. I could say I liked Venom in everything I've seen him in from past media but writers always feel the need to add him in almost every adaptation because he's the most popular that by which they end up skipping so many classic eras and conflicts. Ignoring the awful face change, I did not enjoy Peter's character in this as before. Something about him just urks me. Maybe it's because he was kind of weak, constantly apologizing, and needed saving which I wouldn't mind but feel like they overdid it here. In terms of Peter's gameplay, I still do not like the gadgets along with the tech that he equips himself with. Actually I think it's worse here. I sorely missed some gadgets and even certain moves from the previous two games. When I put aside my problems with Spider-Man having too much technology, I did have fun mastering Peter's combat with his Iron Arms and all but by the third act I got pretty bored. He definitely took a downgrade and it doesn't help how much time is spent fighting waves of enemies. Call me old school but I'm always going to prefer Peter to be more grounded. You know what would have been a cool reward is another set of abilities that are completely web-based for Peter and can maybe be shared with Miles. I have four web-based abilities I thought of. First one think of Spider Barrage, but instead of using Iron Arms you use web fists and the last hit can cause a web explosion. Second is a strong web projectile. Like that one move in Shattered Dimensions where you hold square as Amazing Spidey except it can knock back/web up multiple enemies. Third would be similar to Symbiote Yank where you grab a bunch of enemies and the difference being you spin them around, knocking anyone in the way and then slam them all down at the end. And the last one I would just have it be the web dome from Spider-Man 2000/2002. What a missed opportunity. As you mentioned, there's still segments and menial stuff you have to do that doesn't involve Spider-Man. It just kills the pacing super hard and makes me dread when I have to do all of that again in NG+. I don't mind when this and other games put you in control of Peter when he's out of the suit as you can have character development and such. Except these out-of-suit segments were so uninteresting to play that I would've much rather watch a quick cutscene rather than spending 15 minutes or more walking around, looking for prompts to press triangle. Waste of development. I guess the atom/plant puzzles weren't the worst as they still kind of fit Peter. I'd be so down for other characters to be playable in Spider-Man games like Black Cat, Venom or Kraven where it would've been cool to hunt and kill the villains, but they instead come up with the most boring, mundane, non superhero things to do. The MJ levels annoy me the most. While they don't feel like they drag on like last time, they're still not fun and it looks ridiculous when they try to make her a badass. MJ in Web of Shadows was also like that except it didn't feel forced. It was a cool little moment when she stood up for herself and very awesome when she later came to help you with Symbiote Black Cat. Love her in that game. I really want to see a good version of MJ again and you know what, Insomniac do not do this character justice. Her and Peter have no chemistry whatsoever. She doesn't have the spunk or charisma like other adaptations and as such when I have to play as her, I don't want to. This is not the MJ I want to see. You can have a perspective of seeing the world in a non Spider-Man standpoint without taking control away from the main character. They did it well with Miles' game. I don't particularly care for Miles as a character but that game was straight-up Miles from beginning to end. It gets you to embody his normal/superhero life and still does a good job in getting you invested with his supporting cast.
Anything I missed you put it here. Glad to hear ya liked the video. I definitely wished for more. We payed good money for this game, and the side content mixed with a rushed story left a sour taste in my mouth. I hope the DLC recovers it by any means.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind if they do DLC. I at the very least just hope we see some more fun villains for it, and not have Peter completely sit this one out despite the ending. After that I don't know if I look forward to any more future installments.
@@Mr_Blueberry The crimes for sure felt repetitive. You mentioned that they disappear on you and it happened to me as well but not too much. I took my time exploring the city and I don't think you missed out on any. A little fun fact is I actually encountered a few times where a civilian was stuck in some Symbiote goo during the invasion. It doesn't count as a crime which is odd. You don't get anything for it, I see a triangle prompt and that's the only way you can find it. It's nothing too impressive, same animation reused from the civilian stuck in the pile of sand you save after the Sandman boss.
Tbh, im just hoping people are working on some original content for spiderman remastered tbh. Modpacks w user created content from fans would be hella cool imo. Maybe the fans can get it right :,)
idk why you thought everything was a copy of a copy of a copy like a giant copy machine or a kid copying someone elses math homework at school not attacking just curious@@Mr_Blueberry
I think Spiderman has a lot of recycled stories, which is not a problem… but alot of these twists have just been done before. And done better. Copying is okay as long as you improve and innovate.
You know what could’ve worked. I know a lot won’t agree but Peter should’ve not removed the symbiote despite miles and MJ trying to convince him. He should have been corrupted further into becoming Venom and the final villain of the game. Then this could’ve been interesting, Miles would have no choice but to again fight his mentor and friend and try to separate the two even if it meant killing Peter. That would’ve surprised me greatly as it would’ve then made the Venom storyline very unique and never done before. We have not really seen Peter fully lose himself to the symbiote aside from the Spider's Shadow comic
3:18 *THIS* This right here has got to be my biggest problem with Insomniac Games and Bryan Intihar Marvel's Spider-Man universe lmao... Like they created their own Marvel videogame universe where The Avengers, Matt Murdock / Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Danny Rand / Iron Fist, and Doctor Strange are all confirmed to exist and live in New York City along with Spider-Man, but they literally never show up at all lol... Like the whole city is getting overwhelmed by a Symbiote alien invasion guys!!! I think this is the time for you guys to step in and help out and not just let the two Spider-Men handle it all on their own!!!
@@Mr_Blueberrywhat a silly criticism. They are not going to spend their budget on licensing for glorified cameos in a story that is ultimately Spidey focused. If you genuinely expected them to that’s on y’all
@@1321-k6h other games have done it. And this is the best selling superhero game of all time. Not my main complaint… the bigger issue is act 3 sucks and doesn’t feel threatening.
Call me crazy but I think this game should’ve done the black suit arc, but found a way to give venom his own game. They tried doing wayyy too much in this game and if they couldn’t do venom justice in 5 hours, save him for later. Or just save the symbiote entirely for the third game and fuck with the Green Goblin this game.
Your review of it was great felt the same way while playing did you hear about how miles was gonna get the symbiote and they only used 10% of recorded tony Todd lines. I fear what insomniac will do to the wolverine game, if it’s just a walking movie simulator with occasional fights 🤢 hopefully will be on same level as x men origins wolverine game
I don't blame Insomniac for that but it is trash how they underused Venom arguably Spidermans most popular and interesting villain giving evil Russian hunter guy most of the game.
your opinion ill respect it but im enjoying this game and i like the story to mostly cause i just like to watch diffrent types of storys revolving Spidey and Insomniacs Peter Parker is one of my favorite versions of the character next to Tobey Maguire ,The 90s Cartoon and The Spectacular Spider-Man
also Insomniacs take on Peter Parker is one of my favorite versions of the character next to Tobey Maguire ,The 90s Cartoon and The Spectacular Spider-Man @@Mr_Blueberry
I literally just beat the game yesterday and that shit was beyond buggy. As a huge spidey fan this game was a big fuckin let down. The traversal gameplay is pretty fucking good and most of the combat is great when it works imo, but the story is so half assed and I've seen better versions of it in other games, movies, comics, etc. I fucking despise this Venom too oh my god, what a fucking waste. They nailed his design and voice only to have him speak maybe ten lines? And he's reduced to a dumb alien who just wants to invade the earth, which I get it's a different take on Venom but that is far closer to Riot than Venom is. I already uninstalled it, if I wanna play a Spider-Man game I got the remastered version of the first one and Miles to fuck around with. I wanted to enjoy this game so bad but I am not gonna give it a free pass just bc I love Spider-Man.
This review is spot on and i'm concerned that this game got such stellar reviews. Fanboys just consume and like whatever they get served wihout using their brain to think about it. The game has it's moments but overall is just a huge downgrade from 2018 in so many ways...
same here. I honestly wish I was more stupid so I can enjoy stuff more, but the game just took me out so many times and I cant overlook flaws. Did they cut a peter and mj fight before scream? the dialogue makessense forspiderman but not in context of the story@@Mr_Blueberry
@@The-Legend-of-P honestly, I’m very interested to understand how this game was made and why it turned out like this. I unfortunately have no inside information
@@Mr_Blueberry yeah we’re all kinda left in the dark. I’m also kinda confused as to how NO ONE saw this coming? What game did the TH-camrs play for 3 hours? Did they not bring up any flaws or concerns with the game? I wanna know the decision making and how they thought this would be passable for 2023. It just seems like a game that would be good in 2020 maybe cause then I’d use the excuse of COVID, but rn I really don’t know what happened. All this game does is show the massive cracks and flaws of insomniac. 5 years and they practically gave us the same game with new animations. Even Jedi survivor gave us combat stances, but sm2 is really just the same shit 😢
Hey while I do disagree to some degree I overall respect your opinion! I really liked your review and critique as to why you didnt enjoy the game as much as I did or others. Another thing that is a big problem about the game is the glitches, they really got to fix those 😅
Hey. You are mature for respecting another opinion differently from your own. That is cool. I respect and am jealous of your view. Thanks for the lovely comment.
Still can’t believe they changed MJ and Peters faces. The first game just, had them right. And apparently MJs face is based off of the head writer. What’s that supposed to mean.
Im sorry but This video is taking things out of context. Yes the story could have been a bit less rushed at the end with venom and i agree that Kraven was really well done and would love to see more of him but it was stated that this was his last hunt he said it himself that he was looking for someone that could show him a true challenge. The whole harry being venom kinda threw me off too at the beginning but i don’t think harry was every supposed to be the main venom for this Spiderman because the venom symbiote isn’t dead OsCorp has more of the symbiote kept away. I think they made harry venom so Norman has a reason to have a grudge against Spiderman and use the g serum to cure harry and become the green goblin to be the main or one of the main antagonists for the next game
@finnleyhook9421 that’s generally not how it works. Usually advertisements are in collaboration with one another. It’s very possible that insomniac didn’t even design the costume, but somebody from Adidas. And then they had this collaboration so that Adidas could sell the product. This design was probably in the works for months, if not years.
They made city twice big, but all you do is fight same 4 factions, in main story, side missions and random crimes and 5th one with symbiotes. So you get multiple upgrades and skills till the end. But fighting same enemies again and again. Imagine if souls games had only 4-5 factions of enemies between the boss fights 💀
@@Mr_Blueberry How are you not tired of Sweet Baby Inc putting it's god awful political beliefs and messages into video games like this one? Why can't they be left alone?
@@Caudillo2008 it’s not that big man. Are the missions lame. Yeah. Do the messages apply to my life. No. Could the game do without it? Sure. Does it probably make someone happy? Yeah. Not everything is made for me or my life. I wouldn’t let that stuff bother you so much. Not enough to make a horrendous username like “straight power/pride” When google lets ya change your username again… you should
I love Spider-Man more than anything, have over 100 hours in sm2 already and really enjoyed it. With that being said I’m not too stupid to say I agree with most things you said unfortunately. The game should’ve been better. Great vid
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I’m glad you can enjoy the game and have criticisms of it. 100 hours is awesome. Glad you got your money’s worth.
Hope the DLC also serves you well.
What was so great about this game? The story sucked, it was woke as fuck, MJ was awful, no Eddie Brock, and a whole lot more! I've seen videos that point out just how woke this game is. Like how insomniac removed police from crimes because liberals hate cops. And during the fight with MJ, Peter apologizes for shit he had no control over because of the alien infecting his brain!
Also I was so pissed that they killed the best sinister six characters! I feel like Scorpion should have been harder to kill, he was literally made to kill spider-man! But Kraven kills him with one move... FUCK YOU INSOMNIAC!
@@Mr_Blueberry OH! Speaking of peter parkers face, did you see where they said they couldn't change the face because of mocap. But they changed MJ's face to look like some other woman who didn't do the voice. What a bunch of ass holes.
@@Mr_Blueberry I felt like that Venom mission felt more like playing with the Hulk. You basically are a big rage monster who can only jump and punch. When I think venom I think using webs and not tendrils to swing and fight like spider-man. Only stronger. I feel like every version of venom now days suck! He has no webs or white spider in the movie, and this version feels like a jealous ex lol.
"you don't love us anymore spider-man! So i'm running off with Harry to destroy the town you love! Harry be a dear and let me inside you!" lol
@@workingman9019 ya got some points here.
The bromance with Venom got alittle odd for me.
Bro woke up and decided to spit facts
The dialogues were also super cheesy and lame, I don't think I'd be able to tolerate it for dlc
Once i finished the main story all I could think of was “Man, I really want to play Spider-Man remastered right now.”
Did you like it
I had the same feeling too and that comes from someone who thinks that it’s a decent game
Lol there both trash
@@jaysondoritos lol why would you want to do that 😭
@@jorap9116facts
Can't even imagine how can anyone compare this to the arkham series
If thier were two more games as good as the frist you could but definitely not now
arkham just kept on improving itself both in gameplay and story. This Spiderman game is just first game with a little change and story is stupid.
Arkham>>>>>>>Spiderman
Agree Arkham games are clearly better
@Itsfinebuddy The Arkham games didn't improve themselves on the story because Arkham Knight didn't have a good story. Only gameplay wise.
The most thing that I hate in the game is Peter. BRO HE CANT DO ANYTHING UNTIL MILES COMES TO HELP . HE CANT LIFT THE TROLLEY WITH WEBS WHEN IN THE FIRST GAME HE LITERALLY LIFTED THE CRANE WITH WEBS TOO . The game wont change if we just delete Peter from the game entirely
It was already the case with the first, sadly. Peter was becoming an idiot when the story needed (Spider-Sense is gone also whenever the writers felt like it) and he always had to be helped ultimately (helped by Otto, helped by MJ, helped by Miles, leading to this hilarious scene where Peter, a man with Spider-Strenght is dragged by Miles and MJ who looks like her own clothes is too much to bear for her. Nothing Pete does is from his own work), they just turn it up to 15 and now everybody is seeing it.
The story explained it...
@@TheSpiderMeisterFT Where? Show me
@@Cavye Actually, no. You can actually play the game to understand. Call me a liar if you want, but you should play and understand the material you dedicate your life to hating
@@TheSpiderMeisterFT the fact that you cant even defend your own arguement is hilarious🤣
Anti-venom can heal people in the comics with just a touch. With that in mind, it’s kind of stupid how Peter isn’t just getting rid of Harry’s illness when it should be possible.
I can understand they're doing their own take on symbiotes (with Venom being fireproof and all) but yeah I agree that they should've specified details to clear up misunderstandings or plot holes. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Spidey and Insomniac fan and I enjoyed the story but it just felt rushed; as well as lacking in effort compared to the first game.
@@MAstery2ify Third act was very clearly rushed, I think that’s why most people have issues with that section specifically.
I think it's because Harry also took the goblin serum as an experiment. That's probably why he can't heal. However it is true. Anti Venom should've healed Harry. It could've been cool if Harry became Anti Venom.
We still don't know if he has that ability, he only shown to have the same abilities as the symbiote but also have anti-symbiote abilities
Probably because he, I don't know, *doesn't know he can do that*
The swinging and movement is so good in my opinion, but the story and crime system absolutely fucking sucks.
100% agree man. Preordered, both. Platinumed both. Have loved Spider-Man since I was 5. I’ve had months of feeling like something was off.
I unfortunately agree this game has a lot of issues.
Sad but true.
I kinda was blindsided by it.
you forgot to mention THEY TOOK AWAY ALMOST ALL OF THE SUITS FROM THE FIRST AND REPLACED THEM WITH TRASH
I think that that is more of a subjective opinion but it’s one I agree with.
The new suits are mostly better, with a few crap originals
We don’t see Kraven himself actually do much. He basically just sits around while his minions do all the actual hunting and capturing where he then kills the supervillains in a remote location of his choosing after studying them.
Imagine how much cooler it would’ve been if Kraven purely just broke the villains out of prison and let them out into the streets of New York, basically making New York the jungle/hunting ground that him and his hunters then use to search for the villains over time and kill them with it being up to Peter and Miles to try to get to them first before Kraven does with there being some successes and some failures as we see Kraven himself actually hunt these villains down in New York with maybe a mission or two involving a chase where you and Kraven are chasing after a villain (like Vulture, or Electro, or Shocker) with one of you trying to get to him first as Kraven also tries to slow you down with enemies and destroying buildings and stuff.
It basically allows Kraven to be much more involved than just showing up once in a while to do something, leave, then show up again later to do another thing or fight someone
I can understand the need for minions because you can't just be doing bossfights the whole time (even then the bossfight sequences were so close to each other near the end it felt like that's what you WERE doing). Instead, imagine if we got a battle sequence where we keep switching between the Spider-Men and switching between fighting Kraven and his minions; what's more is they could've also added Kraven and the other Spidey fighting in the background or around you while you fight the minions as Miles or something, then when there's no more minions you both fight Kraven together.
@@MAstery2ify Kravens followers feel weird in this game. In my opinion, Shattered Dimensions did the whole concept of Kraven having an army better than this game did as in that game, his followers went full authentic hunters in terms of design and style but SM2 has them talk like they’re hunters and all about being “strong” and “in-tune with nature” and “instincts” and stuff like they’re hunters and stuff but then they turn around and heavily rely on advanced technology like robot birds and dogs, cloaking tech for bases, air ships, etc.
it’s like they say and talk like they’re those old school hunters that follow peoples scents and study the area and all that, but then turn around and use tracking software to do all the work for them. That plus their designs just aren’t as cool as the Shattered Dimensions ones.
You probably could do all that if you dropped the mini games.
Kraven busting out the criminals and turning the city into zoo york would be great since you've chaos around. But that's a lot of content with more planning unlike basic mini games.
Kraven is a d list spidy villain don't act like he's a venom or green goblin the most impressive thing he did was wear a spider man suit and act like peter for two days😂
@@juniorjunior5884 I’m down with the mini games and MJ missions being removed for that
I really enjoy the web-swinging. The combat has some upgrades, but the first game I felt more powerful. The story I totally agree with you. They had a lot of potencial to make a great story, but… Maybe the third one would be. Excellent video by the way
Thank You 🤗 I’m making some more now.
Really makes you wonder what in the fuck Insomniac were doing for 5 years if they couldn't even write an original and compelling narrative.
The symbiote invasion should’ve been saved for the carnage dlc or whatever they decide to do with carnage in the future. Venom should’ve been a more street level situation. Harry could’ve gone around just wrecking the city by taking out what was left of the Hunters and that naturally drags him and Peter into direct conflict. The symbiote could then start influencing Harry to go after MJ and Miles to hurt Peter.
I disagree
Yeah the color it would fit better considering that carnage runs a cult so he would’ve Most likely give him the same PO to his cult members and they would’ve affected more people basically expanding the cult
I think the push to be more 'cinematic' is why they keep focusing on non-spiderman stuff.
In comics, side characters plotlines are given small cuts in between the action and their scenes are usually focused around the protagonist's perspective.
In a game, cutscenes of side characters works but that translates poorly in gameplay since you have to actively put on the brakes and force the player to play the sections.
Instead of making more content focused on the stars of the game, they tried to cram the others in to flesh out the story. Almost every non hero section could just be a cutscene and deliver the same feeling.
This is a big ding ding ding 🛎️
@Mr_Blueberry
Someone in the comments mentioned the idea of fighting each member of the sinister six that Kraven released.
Imagine two spiders running around trying to get to the villains before Kraven along with the plotline.
Peter stressing this much helps his reliance on the suit and Miles starts to really see the strain of trying to balance a life while trying to save the city. Maybe Peter is the one to eventually go full venom and Miles battles the real ugly side of being spiderman and seeing the road the mask can lead him to. Lots of emotional story to squeeze out there with the climax of Kraven, Venom, Peter versus Miles just from that.
this hit the nail on the coffin. as an inspiring author, if your story has to rely on the perspectives of others, that take away time to flesh out the main ideas to deliver a fleshed out and cohesive story, then its not a good story.
This game actually sucks. Thank goodness some people are not afraid of getting annihilated by fanboys and are openly criticising what needs to be criticised.
My video launch with a like ratio of 30%. But now people are starting to agree and it is going way up.
Give it time. People will come to there senses.
@@Mr_Blueberryyea once the hype dies down, people will realize how all over the place this story was.
I haven't played the game but could tell the story was mediocre from the cutscenes. Is my opinion valid? Because I was told I cannot say anything negative about the Arkham game portrayals of characters without playing (I did play them and my opinion didn't change) but playing the game doesn't make a character all of a sudden a good portrayal. Penguin and mad hatter in particular. Neither are bad at all, just not what I prefer and most of the villains seem 2 dimensional evil.
The game Play is still fantastic, that's still a pretty important. Part of a games worth.
@@GavinAeilts Not a big jump justifying 5 year gap.
Not sure why people are so mad about a different opinion, it’s refreshing to see how others perceive the game. I think saying it sucks is a bit harsh though but I definitely think a lot of aspect’s just felt like there wasn’t enough time put into them. I never felt like Peter wearing the suit got enough development to warrant making the player feel like Peter needs to remove it. Hell, Peter himself doesn’t even make the realization it was more Miles that ends up helping him get the suit off. I really feel like Peter should have chose to do that himself, maybe they could have had him hurt Miles and realize the suit is doing more harm than good.
That would be a solid twist.
Also performance really hurt my experience. With bugs and all.
People are insecure and take it too personal, as if, someone not liking the game is somehow a statement about them too.
For them it's hard to fathom that, something they like so much, could possibly be bad or unliked by others, so they take it as a slight to their taste in things, suddenly "you think something I like is bad? So I'm stupid?!?!?" Is where their mind goes unfortunately.
Omg bro nobody ever or rarely overcomes addiction alone. They overcome it by ppl around them to a certain extent that leads them to take it off. This dude just disrespected the Spider-Man franchise and gaming in general. If this game sucks then all games sucks. The same points he put in this video can be related to all games. All gaming sucks and if u don’t like games maybe not play them
@@King_QM23 broooo. Chilll.
You are taking this as a personal attack.
@@King_QM23Insomniacs Spider-Man isn’t the first to tackle the concept of the black suit being akin to substance abuse. So many Spider-Man stories address the high Peter gets from having the suit and how powerful and good it feels but they also handled him getting rid of it better because Peter sees the actual harm he causes and how much the suit has changed him for the worst that he realizes that it needs to stop even if it means he loses the power. Here, it takes Miles beating the crap out of him and telling him how bad it is (despite having little interaction with the symbiote) to make Peter take it off.
At least Spider-Man 3, for as flawed and meme able as it was, did something like have Peter hit MJ to make him realize how horrible he has become to help snap him out of the black suits influence because he realizes that he just hit the woman he loves because of its influence.
I just finished the game which made this video absolutely hilarious to me because its almost exactly what I was thinking the entire time. 6/10 but it only gets that extra point for being a spider-man game
It do be like that
Agreed. Disappointing and underwhelming
The dialogue in this game feels like it was writen by people who believe microagressions are a real thing
feels like they are trying to not offend anyone
BRO I'M SO HAPPY SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT THIS!!!!!!
I have been so annoyed nobody shared this opinion other than my friends. And now I consider you my friend.
Your 'unpopular opinions' are just so rational and even if not loved by everyone don't make them invalid.
Definitely subbing. Shout-Out to you my guy!
Honest to God feel the same way and I hated how they used Harry as Venom it really pissed me off
@@adiasdiante1010 that symbiote invasion pissed me off tbh. It was undercooked and unexplained.
Harry as Venom wouldn't have been bad, but Harry wasn't even there. It felt like I was seeing and fighting Venom. Not Harry as Venom with own intentions and ideas. Nah, just Venom.
I was super mad about the Harry as Venom thing but while waiting for the game my best friend told me to give insomniac a chance and trust them. After playing it we are both pissed off. I also gave it a 5/10
@LazyApe I mean come on if you're going to have someone else as the host at least make the writing for that story good come on insomniac!!!!!
@@adiasdiante1010 my guy!
You know what sucked the most? I loved the game so much, until they did the Venom stuff so piss poor. Which ruined the overall experience for me. It really was almost the best Spider-Man game. They just fumbled the Venom/Harry storyline, the side content was not enough or good enough and the ending with Harry being revived I disliked too.
What's crazy is that this game has had TWO major (allegedly) updates, but the game is still so fucking buggy. Even after the updates, i got stuck inside a building, a Hunter vehicle got stuck in a tree, I was going to crime areas only for nothing to be there, and a couple symbiotes got trapped inside of a bus. How tf do you have a game that has been out for several months and has had 2 big updates, yet you DON'T patch these simple glitches?
I loved the first game but I agree that it lacks side content. Yes, it has side missions but those feel like extra missions.
Things like having stores, random encounters, civilians who need to be saved, and other nonlinear things that players could experience would massively improve these games.
what really pissed me off is that you can't replay the bases like first game and replay missions like in miles morales.
That is trash. 🗑️
There are like 4 bases to take out. This is absolute ridicilous low amount of content...
They added mission replay
Btw u can replay missions in sm1
@fruitminer5008 WE CAN?
I had not played the first PS4 game before picking up the sequel. Every single news and review site, even "totally real people" in comment sections, were hyping and goating it into the heavens.
It started off great with Sandman, kinda weird to start me off with a bossfight but turns out the first game did too (better imo, because Sandman is endgame material and Kingpin is kinds redundant even in his own content because his skill is cunning not combat)
Then it dived HARD. The first thing I did was stop people robbing a gunstore, which was like "okay weird, I would go for the bank" but still decent filler combat . . . until Peter Parker started lecturing them abour gun control.
This was strange at first, the joke was "lets have compliment clubs instead of gun clubs" and I feel like a toddler could write a better one.
It became BAFFLING to me upon playing the first game after dropping the second, to find that the city had BEEN INVADED AND CONQUERED multiple times by criminals, demons, and a foreign army.
I can suspend my disbelief of NYC getting taken over, sure. But you cant tell me that this universe's Peter Parker is anti gun.
It also seemed totally jarring how 9/11 basically just happened again and Spidey is just back to slingin and cracking jokes.
If I remember right, buildings were partially or completely destroyed and sand tornadoes roamed the streets. Show me at least some shred of an aftermath . . . but no no no we need to skip right ahead to Miles's deaf girlfriend and strong independent black principal.
Alsp, the characters should NOT have been changed. I geniunely thought something was wrong with my SM2 disc because SM1 just looked better in most ways, especially character detail and design.
I get that they wanted him to look like Holland, but its the same VA as the first game. Horrible move. MJ is pretty scuffed in SM2, like big Mass Effect Andromeda vibes. Not necessarily the ugliest thing ever, just off.
Kraven is lame, big sad lame nothing burger compared to the Sinister 6. Venom is cool but so underutilized and lame that I kinda hate it. Venom should just be the main antagonist of this game, switching you to Miles after it takes over Peter, allowing the endgame to unlock both at the same time.
Then Harry could be saved for the third entry, where Peter and Miles take on both Goblins or something along those lines.
Took me less than a minute to massively improve this game.
Oh and why did I have to save the same guy's boyfriend over and over again. New York is a very liberal place but seriously are gay people just unphased by danger in this world?
Honestly the second game felt like a beta for the first. A lesser version in almost every way. More stuff, less polish, no balance.
I'm glad I played SM2 first because it somehow made the first game one of my favorite titles ever.
reasonable critique. I am happy someone spoke about repetitive gameplay, annoying missions with other characters, and peter looking odd (what happened to MJ💀💀) So far Miles is the best game in the series if you consider time:action ratio.
miles IS the best game and had me hyped for sm2 like no other. but idk how tf the pacing is worse in sm2, worse combat cause sm2 didnt really change anything or add anything really new. having abilities arent combos cause they cant even be used with the regular gameplay. its all surface level
Part of this video's critiques are extremely reasonable, but the other part kind of just makes me think he did no research. I dunno. I agree with a lot of what he said but other things are just straight up not true, lol.
@@toyuu.paledll like what?
I mean…most of what i said is what i played. What research should I have done.
MJ was possibly a self insert. She is clearly a representation of one of the Insomniac writers, just look it up. I guess all the below average, frumpy looking women that have invaded the video game industry and started the outrage mobs felt misrepresented, so they made MJ a homely looking woman who dressed like a man. Next game she’ll probably be transsexual, with the way Sony is kowtowing to the woke crowd. I don’t even like Spooder Man and this type of stuff pisses me off.
Ngl that miles suit was god awful like who’s gonna not know that’s him
I mean. Miles dresses very well and that costume is disgusting... in a way it's a perfect disguise.
@@Mr_Blueberryso long as no one looks at his hair lol
4:20 - Than you! MJ claims to be Peter girlfiriend and put out that slanderous article lying on him. She even acknowledged that Peter was asleep and the Symbiote was in control of him so he wasn't responsible for that night. Peter was 100% not in the wrong here he doesn't even remember what happened due to being sleep
You've forgot to mention how woke game is.
Example: Black history in side mission. All enemies who stole instruments are white.
Deaf girl mission and keeps forcing the black history talk through her in main mission (walking in the park with Miles scene).
BLM graffiti in MM and in 2nd game.
Kilmonger yee-ahh haircut exposing part of his identity on black Spider-Man.
Colgate outfit on Miles.
Keeps advertising Adidas shoes.
Latinx language.
Expanded the most boring MJ missions showing her as being powerful female instead of being weak (same they're doing in Wolverine with Jean Grey), forced girl presentage as mc.
Giving only 1 small mission playing as Venom.
All worked by Bryan Intihar (who said about MJ complains and said that he aka "they" don't care) and written by Brittney Morris (woke activist).
+ Gay couple side mission.
@@xXSilentAgent47Xx why does half of that even matter to you.
I agree with all your points but t@@xXSilentAgent47Xx to be fair jean grey is a powerful mutant no name grunts should be no match to her anyway
Spider-Man Web of Shadows had a more dynamic Symbiote invasion
My big complaint is after the vemon vs kraven fight. It felt like they made vemon evil for no reason and kraven's death was just forgot about really fast. Plus they threw in like 40 years of venom lore into an hour which felt really rushed.
Exactly
It goes downhill after that for sure
Venom was marketed as a huge,Nemesis type threat but then he was just menacing and that's it? I agree that Venom didn't really have a reason to be evil and,while I liked Harry, he looked goofy when he was trying to be dark and evil in the Scream section of the game
He looks too much like a Kpop singer lol
Cutting out or significantly lessening Kravens involvement could have helped this. Or making the game longer.
Cut out the dumb MJ sections too
Yeah, Venom himself (not including Harry), isn’t very well explained in terms of his motives besides giving everyone else a symbiote with the meteorite SOMEHOW being important to that
I agree with almost everything said here, and between everyone I’ve talked to who played this game they got the platinum in 17 hours. This game was like mathematically crafted to do the least amount of things possible while seeming like it’s doing the most
For me it feeles like a movie, not a game
Same same
The Arkham games are so much better 😂
As a Spider-Man fan boy…. F you, you’ve hurt me…. Also, I agree and you’re 100% correct 😂
@@fugazzidatroll I like Spiderman to but I'm being honest
One thing I dislike about the game is how the Symbiote Peter lacks a dynamic with the world. I did the Yuri mission as Anti-Venom Peter and he didn't once think about using his Symbiote abilites to lift the train off him. Cletus was about to burn him alive and Peter would sit around to let it happen if Yuri didn't push the train off him with a truck.
finally someone that critize the minigames, hated them in the first one, absolutely despised them in the second one, like WHO WANTS THAT SHIT? i bought SPIDERMAN to play SPIDERMAN, not doing this tedious BS..
Insomniac's mindset when making Spider-Man games essentially seems to be: "let's take the Spider-Man brand so we can make our own Life is Strange game."
Probably one of the worst games I’ve ever played. 20 hours I’ll never get back 😭
I think it's not bad in terms of gameplay
As much as I dislike this game, I also love it at the same time
First the platinum is so easy and they rushed the symbiote
This is quite literally the first PS5 original game I bought. I am enjoying it so far but I completely agree with you on this. It's just an empty game as soon as you finish the main story. Not to mention, the story itself is severely hurt by insomniac's brilliant decision to make MJ (Mega Jaw) John Wick, and to significantly buff Miles while making Peter the most pathetic version ever.
Mega Jaw. Hahaha😂
Reminds me of the Black Widow from Avengers.
Yeah the crimes disappearing bug was rampant as hell for me.
Ruined my experience honestly.
I loved the game but after beating it 2 times it started to get boring
you’re real for that “new face” comment. It sucks and insomniac knows it
As somebody who adored the first game this game disappointed me but I still found enjoyment.They removed gadgets almost entirely which was one of my favorite parts about the first game and while the abilities were cool I feel like if they were to add a gadget wheel the possibilities in combat would have been endless. The story was not as compelling as the first game and seemed rushed . If they were to spend more time with venom and give Harry a proper arc I feel like the story would have prevailed the first game in terms of story as the first half with kraven was compelling enough. Overall game was around a 8.2/10 which is good but I feel like it could have been so much more.
I also had high hopes!
If the game wasn’t buggy it could be a 6 maybe, but more often then not I wasn’t playing as spider-man.
Thank You for watching 🤗
They should have kept Parker and Miles separate for the most part, let the cross over on a mission or two but other than that let them carry their own game. That way you don't have to worry about so many plot threads and characters that it gets bogged down like this.
I guess that is one way. I really think it should have had double the run time. I like the dynamic but this game didn't really do anything for me.
I love the game but it just doesn't feel like a sequel to the other 2 ones, i don't know what it is but it doesn't feel like the same story anymore
Great review, although I'm surprised you had so many glitches in your game. I myself only ever experienced one and that was at the end of the game where miles was a floating head LOL
I had way too many. big reason for my review score. The first game didn't have that many bugs If any.
Spiderman 2 on PS2 is The Final Boss of Spiderman games.
My first playthrough of Jedi Survivor took me 40 HOURS and that games has no padding, no walking sections and is just pure gameplay with skippable cutscenes. What bothers me even more is that Spiderman might beat it for best action adventure game despite being inferior in every single way.
Jedi Survivor has a really good mini games where you use enemy AI in a chess board like game, and it is OPTIONAL.
That is a brutal score, it is a solid 7/10.
My score also had to due with performance. I think without bugs it could be a 6.
But too much filler for a 7.
I had to take a break because in one 3 hour session I ended up, becoming spider-cube, have miles’ model break apart in the music side mission, have Haileys model just straight up disappear except her hands and head, I fell through New York multiple times, and my game crashed. I recorded the whole thing and I may upload it someday
Honestly I expected a bit more too, like why are car chases still quick time? It's been like that for years, even before this game, time to reinvent.
I want to stop the car my way, as Spiderman, I want to web the tires, or send out a giant web net down the block and hope they don't turn, jump in front of it and pound the hood ...so many things.
The we swinging still needs more improvement, although 0 assist was a decent direction.
Stealth is still crap and Spiderman shines at that as well as direct combat (they actually took some cool gadgets away that made stealth a little more interactive) they at least made the AI a little smarter, not quite Arkham (as I hoped) but better.
Overall a little more attention to detail and freedom would have been nice
100% Free roam should be the main goal of a spider-man game.
1:41 false, venom was attached to Spiderman, so he knows it's Peter, he hates peter and Spiderman just as much because Peter rejected him. Thats why he bonds with Eddie so well, they both hate peter and Spiderman
I have to 100% agree with you here. The game was disappointing.
- You'd expect from the 5 year wait for this game to be almost better in every way possible, especially in the story. But this game's story just feels rushed and the pacing is all over the place. Peter's arc ended way too soon, not to mentioned he was hella nerfed and not only in gameplay (cough cough, pinned down by a fridge for a solid 2-3 mins), Venom barely had any character or personality, even his goals are kinda weak. Kraven was certainly the best part of this story but should've seen more of him instead of half of it being off screen. Also him having minions hunting for him kinda defeats the whole point of him being a hunter. And to top it all off none of the story elements in this game come even close to the emotional rollercoaster that was with the Doc Ock fight or Aunt May's death. They didn't even kill off Harry in this game which just makes Norman's desires to be a villain and want revenge kinda stupid and misunderstood. (They did save him from this black goo monstrosity) and the cherry on top being Silk teased. Why do we need 3 spiders especially when they couldn't handle 2 spideys in one story properly. Overall very disappointing story that should've had a lot lot more time to build up all its plot points. Especially when you have a Web of Shadows style invasion. Instead we got MJ missions and pointless things like ridin bikes being doubled down instead of using all that time to flush out the story more.
Sorry for the long wall of texts. I hold the first game near and dear to my heart and loved its story and its representation so so much. And to see the story be way inferior despite Insomniac raising the bar so high for their storytelling really made me upset. Overall not very excited for the "final chapter".
7/10
Not to mention Peter doesn't even have time to become evil or unhinged in this game he just becomes right away. As soon as he gets the suit he's like "GUESS YOUR BOSS NEEDS BETTER AIM". he's just completely schizo in this game just switching from normal to evil in seconds. Also him not coming to the realization himself is really lame
Mfs saying this game is "the best superhero game of all time" or "the best Spider-Man game of all time or "This is Insomniac's magnum opus" with all the 9s and 10s is def not justified. First game is Insomniac's true magnum opus and I highly doubt they'll ever match it again
I see we are cut from the same cloth.
The way I look at it is that the first game was a really big step and I didn’t see the miles game or this one as any significant improvement.
The Kraven minion issue is kind of interesting and it didn’t bug me at the time but now it kind of does.
@@xinious4397 It's the honeymoon phase bro. Once it ends, the flaws will show themselves to the people who say that.
I’m counting on it
Had a glitch while gliding I ended up in negative space under the map no idea how it happened
I wish had more Peter Parker elements, like free roam. And it could work if the devs came up with something creative instead of giving us the same game over again.
Like thinking of all the activities you can do in red dead, or simply stuff like buying items from a store, something you could do as Peter and use those items to craft items for your spider suit. Or go into a clothing shop for materials for a suit repair. Something like that
amazing review you have earned a new sub :) such a breath of fresh air to see some criticism go towards this “masterpiece”. my main gripe was the barely changed combat . web of shadows has better combat
Welcome aboard! I have plenty of content coming your way!
Ehhh in my opinion that's a stretch
@@LucaBattiato-lm4rn I do have more content
@@Mr_Blueberry huh?
5:20 Thank you for expressing my feelings.
One thing I don't understand, is why the symbioses still show up in crime fights even after you complete the game, and the symbiote was removed from the streets. That makes no sense to me.
Them getting rid of Eddie Brock entirely was a horrible move. He was an interesting character and his ascetic FIT Venoms dark tendencies. Harry is the Green Goblin Jr, I swear to God the writers were TRYING to piss fans off here. Also if they remove Peter, I'll be done with the games. No Spierman? No purchase from me. Be careful Insomniac. Go woke. Go broke.
It was an extremely bad move and I can't for the life of me understand why they'd go with Harry. We have already had the friend go bad story arc twice in a row !!!
Cant confirm but i think they dont like Eddie because hes too masculine of a character, I mean they make Peter weak every chance they get in this game@@adiasdiante1010
@@mattmartin6493 omg 😳 I thought I was the only one thinking that. Im not an anti woker but you have to admit game developers who are in favor of high leftism often exclude characters who are very masculine. Think about it with how soft Peter and Miles acted in the game if Eddie was in it he would have been too much of a fan favorite. They couldn't have that ...
@@adiasdiante1010 exactly I mean there are a lot of things like that in the game and it's a shame because I really enjoyed the first one.
Sad we lost the character database and the gadgets we made in Spider-Man 1. We only see the web grenade in QTEs for stopping car chases.
Worst thing Peter did here was not answering phone calls and getting angrier.
And funny how Peter hates “gun clubs” but has a girlfriend with a suped up gun that can take out symbiotes and seasoned hunters.
Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 3 did a better Symbiote story in 2 hours while Insomniac had around 17 hours and botched it.
bro I never came across those glitches from the beginning besides the cube once, and it was kinda fun
Some were funny, some were game breaking, but all of them are in my last video.
But then I realized he can't give the suit to him because it's permanently attached to his body but it could still heal hairy without leaving Peter's body
When you can lay the controller down and walk away from it while a single button and the joystick are taped down…..it’s a problem when Spider-Man can actually web sling the entire distance of the city….but people will eat this shit up while they listen to Spider-Man apologize to Scream, like 30 minutes straight for zero reason lol
It’s a strange game for sure.
I didn’t know what web assist meant.
8:37 interesting note here apparently the main director mentioned he didn’t give a fuck about mj being op in game even people begged for her to be removed.
Tbh i agree with every point in this video, i was so excited for this game and when it dropped i was but after the hype i cant help but notice how lack luster it felt afterwards, the open is one of the best we had in a while but even then the game still feels slow, a perfect swinging mechanic would be a mix of spider man 2 (movie game), web of shadows, with the animations of the insomniac games at least imo,
And i know they didn’t but peter feels to fucking weak in this game especially during the sand man or venom fight and now we have a 3rd Spider-person which is about to make Peter feel like a background character at this rate.
Yeah I just recently started to play the remaster and despite my pc being weak and me being forced to play lower graphics for better quality this is better than what they did here honestly I have some better ideas on how they could have improved some issues that bothered me unfortunately i dunno where to express them in person or by voice messages,if only insomniac listened to fans rather than cutting off corners this game would have lived up to its name,yes they added a lot of cool stuff but considering how much they had to get rid off this is not worth it
3:40. Symbiotes were on rooftops
I don’t have any footage of that. I also used my footage and my two roommates footage.
So between the three of us, none of us saw any.
The combat is god awful it’s a chore. Like why is Spider-Man struggling to fight common thugs. All the villains are spongy and button mashy. Batman Arkham games are still better
After finishing the game i had this opinion i still do
Excellent review 👌
Thank you I worked hard on it. Hope to have some more positive reviews in the near future.
They should have started with Kraven, transitioned into the venom arch but instead of end the game there used it to lead into the carnage arch and Peter require venom's help.
Cassidy gets defeated only for carnage to escape and break him out of prison for the 3rd installment.
I personally really like the game. But hey, I see where you're coming from and your opinions are completely valid. Much better than SyntheticMan's review.
Thank You 🤗. I respect your opinion. I like Marvel's Avengers...Or As much as I could have.
SyntheticMan is a complete lunatic so agreed
I've decided to pass on this one after watching gameplay of it. It seems to be heavily focused on the wingsuit, which I'm not opposed to but too much just takes away the element of swinging. The crime disappearing thing is something I know will stress my kid out because he loves it when crimes pop up.
the web suit is alright, but definitely buy it when it's like 20$
How the F*** this thing got a GOTY nomination at the Game Awards?
Fandom is stronger than reality.
@@domymbd the same way garbage games like gow and rdr2 did before. The same thing which we all know gta 6 will win because people act like that
GOW and read dead are bad games???
That is a crazy take
@@Mr_Blueberry yeah it is. All i hear is the same bs all these years.
@domymbd It's very simple, because the media sucks up to Sony games a lot and the journalists who deify all Sony games recently receive games and products in early access, so Sony games will always be nominated for the TGA and will always receive very high marks on metacritic, and just compare the treatment that Microsoft games receive in comparison to Sony games to see the extent of hypocrisy and inconsistency when it comes to errors and failures, I think it's funny that it doesn't matter the quality that an xbox game brings, it can be insane, wonderful or whatever, even with some flaws the game will receive a lower rating and none of them are indicated in the TGA, but when it's Sony releasing a game with these same problems the hypocrites give it a high rating and it is nominated for an award, and detail this Spider 2 didn't innovate in almost anything, it seems like an expansion rather than a new game, it wasn't an absurd generational leap
I enjoyed SM1 more because I actually primarily played as Peter Parker. In SM2 it feels like they're doing everything they can for you to play anyone but Peter.
The real GOAT is the SM game from 2000, or so. That shit was epic!
Peter says he needs the suit to be a better Spider-Man ( tbh I have no idea why but let’s go with it).
Anyway he says he needs it to be Spider-Man. Then he gets the anti venom suit. And retires from being spiderman. It’s bad enough they tell us Peter isn’t competent enough at being a hero but the choice to retire makes no sense unless he ended the game without a symbiot suit. Cause at that point I would understand that he doesn’t feel confident enough to continue being Spider-Man
Dude…I could… and might make a video on the dumb ass anti-venom choice.
The crimes STILL occasionally disappear when you get there. And I'm still personally annoyed that the velocity suit didn't come back
After finishing spider man 2 I'll definitely say the combat amazing, the Web swimming fun, the gliding is a upgrade love it👌but the story is very poorly done and I hate the fuck how sad and pathetic they make peter/spider man, he wines non stop, can't pull a bus off the ledge and needs miles help constantly, also why did they nerf him so much? Spider man isn't this weak. Also why do game studios make game characters so ugly now days? Really noticed how western games are making characters ugly in the models while the east and the rest if the world make them handsome or beautiful, that's why the woke crowd should never be listened to or added to games. Overall 5/10 for the game
that's fair
5:10 how do people miss the fact that peter can not take off anti venom symbiote
What is funny. Is that I'm working on my own Story of this Spider-Man 2 Game. If you guys didn't notice it I found a pacing issue after Venom Kills Kraven. It gives you two feelings. One the game is done. Or two the Game is going to continue for a bit longer. Aka 1 hour or less. But it continues on for longer than that. For mine I basically give Peter more time in the Symbiote suit, I give Miles actual interesting things, and I give Peter choices. I show him how the Symbiote suit does make things better. But do the positives outweigh the negatives? That would be the question that needs a answer. Another thing that would have been cool for Spider-Man 2
Give the player a Choice. Give them the choice to either join Venom or not. If you join Venom the game continues until you have taken over all of Manhattan and prepare to take the world. In the other choice the game continues as what it will.
In ng+ they left in the dev menu and they fucked up the amazing 2 suit and they also messed up the symbiote suit when putting it on and taking it off it now clips on every suit
Platinum trophy since it came out and never played it again since needs DLC badly
I played the first game a week after I came out, and even now I still like to boot up into new game plus and play it for the story, and swinging around Manhattan. Hell before I heard anything about this game I was looking to get a PS5 just for this then I play Miles Morales and my expectations dropped to neutral. Then the game came out and now I don’t want to play it. From how the handled Kraven and Venom. Then them killing off half of the Sinster Six and making Martin Lee good. They have basically destroyed a chunk of Spidey’s rouge’s gallery without thinking, and it now makes me worried for Wolverine.
This genuinely appears to be an unfiltered and honest critique. I'm inclined to believe that some larger channels might tend to gloss over significant issues in the pursuit of maintaining a positive narrative, particularly for highly anticipated games like Spider-Man. It's not uncommon for the desire to enjoy a game to overshadow objective analysis.
If we scrutinize the details, considering repetitive missions, a rather generic combat system, a perceived downgrade in Spider-Man mechanics, an emphasis on flying over swinging, subpar mini-games, the absence of a new game plus feature, a lack of genuine crime dynamics in NYC, a narrative that feels overcrowded with MJ sidelining Spider-Man, a dearth of character growth, and a perceived absence of artistic vision, it becomes apparent that this game might not live up to the "masterpiece" status that some larger channels may assert.
In essence, it seems that this game doesn't surpass its predecessor in any meaningful way, and the commenter raises valid points about the shortcomings that detract from its overall quality.
How does MJ sideline Peter? She was only in like 3 missions.
If you watch my streams you can slowly see the light in my eyes die. It was something I WANTED TO ENJOY. Badly.
Game is like 20 missions. Good chunk of MJ.
@@Mr_Blueberry I’m confused by what you’re saying. What exactly is 20 minutes and how does this relate to MJ sidelining Peter.
@@jaxxpool9630 well some of us took longer than 20 minutes…(i suck at stealth)
I had some bugs from time to time but never like what you’ve experienced so the gameplay was still pretty great, but I did miss that you can’t use focus whenever you want, no suit power ups and less gadgets. And I do agree that while Venom was good here, it was still rushed compared to how they handled Kraven. Definitely doesn’t suck like how you put it, but it wasn’t the best either so it gets an 7.5-8/10.
Fantastic video as always. I've gotten 100% completion and man do I prefer the first game so much more. Playing SM2 felt like returning to a game I've already beaten plenty of times. Most people are fine with this, and you know I quickly got myself accustomed to being Spider-Man once more with his great controls as always no problem. I still enjoy fighting bad guys and swinging around the incredibly polished and detailed NYC. But I think what disappoints me the most is that it was more of the same in terms of the open world content, how missions are structured and feels like there was little to no innovation in what you do in the city. Maybe even done worse. Nothing bad by any means, just nothing special. They played it safe for sure.
I could probably look past it if the story was incredible but I wasn't all that crazy about it. You pretty much covered it with how I felt. Very rushed, plagued with pacing issues, underdeveloped characters and some plot holes. I don't think I really cared about anyone in this story. While it has it's moments like when the city got infested with Symbiotes it made me all nostalgic for Web of Shadows, but upon thinking about it that came across as very last-minute. It came and went so fast and that was all Venom wanted to do? He just felt like your standard big evil villain of the week. I will say Kraven was my favorite villain even though I don't think it makes sense for him to have an army of a thousand highly trained goons that do everything for him rather than we getting to see him in action. He wouldn't operate like this. I really wanted more screen time with Kraven because the ideas they were adapting are something we've haven't seen in any Spidey film or game. Venom to me feels so overplayed at this point. I could say I liked Venom in everything I've seen him in from past media but writers always feel the need to add him in almost every adaptation because he's the most popular that by which they end up skipping so many classic eras and conflicts.
Ignoring the awful face change, I did not enjoy Peter's character in this as before. Something about him just urks me. Maybe it's because he was kind of weak, constantly apologizing, and needed saving which I wouldn't mind but feel like they overdid it here. In terms of Peter's gameplay, I still do not like the gadgets along with the tech that he equips himself with. Actually I think it's worse here. I sorely missed some gadgets and even certain moves from the previous two games. When I put aside my problems with Spider-Man having too much technology, I did have fun mastering Peter's combat with his Iron Arms and all but by the third act I got pretty bored. He definitely took a downgrade and it doesn't help how much time is spent fighting waves of enemies. Call me old school but I'm always going to prefer Peter to be more grounded. You know what would have been a cool reward is another set of abilities that are completely web-based for Peter and can maybe be shared with Miles. I have four web-based abilities I thought of. First one think of Spider Barrage, but instead of using Iron Arms you use web fists and the last hit can cause a web explosion. Second is a strong web projectile. Like that one move in Shattered Dimensions where you hold square as Amazing Spidey except it can knock back/web up multiple enemies. Third would be similar to Symbiote Yank where you grab a bunch of enemies and the difference being you spin them around, knocking anyone in the way and then slam them all down at the end. And the last one I would just have it be the web dome from Spider-Man 2000/2002. What a missed opportunity.
As you mentioned, there's still segments and menial stuff you have to do that doesn't involve Spider-Man. It just kills the pacing super hard and makes me dread when I have to do all of that again in NG+. I don't mind when this and other games put you in control of Peter when he's out of the suit as you can have character development and such. Except these out-of-suit segments were so uninteresting to play that I would've much rather watch a quick cutscene rather than spending 15 minutes or more walking around, looking for prompts to press triangle. Waste of development. I guess the atom/plant puzzles weren't the worst as they still kind of fit Peter. I'd be so down for other characters to be playable in Spider-Man games like Black Cat, Venom or Kraven where it would've been cool to hunt and kill the villains, but they instead come up with the most boring, mundane, non superhero things to do. The MJ levels annoy me the most. While they don't feel like they drag on like last time, they're still not fun and it looks ridiculous when they try to make her a badass. MJ in Web of Shadows was also like that except it didn't feel forced. It was a cool little moment when she stood up for herself and very awesome when she later came to help you with Symbiote Black Cat. Love her in that game. I really want to see a good version of MJ again and you know what, Insomniac do not do this character justice. Her and Peter have no chemistry whatsoever. She doesn't have the spunk or charisma like other adaptations and as such when I have to play as her, I don't want to. This is not the MJ I want to see. You can have a perspective of seeing the world in a non Spider-Man standpoint without taking control away from the main character. They did it well with Miles' game. I don't particularly care for Miles as a character but that game was straight-up Miles from beginning to end. It gets you to embody his normal/superhero life and still does a good job in getting you invested with his supporting cast.
Anything I missed you put it here.
Glad to hear ya liked the video. I definitely wished for more. We payed good money for this game, and the side content mixed with a rushed story left a sour taste in my mouth.
I hope the DLC recovers it by any means.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind if they do DLC. I at the very least just hope we see some more fun villains for it, and not have Peter completely sit this one out despite the ending. After that I don't know if I look forward to any more future installments.
@@jimmym.8927 for me I just wanna swing around and not see the same 5 crimes. It is so repetitive and disheartening.
@@Mr_Blueberry The crimes for sure felt repetitive. You mentioned that they disappear on you and it happened to me as well but not too much. I took my time exploring the city and I don't think you missed out on any. A little fun fact is I actually encountered a few times where a civilian was stuck in some Symbiote goo during the invasion. It doesn't count as a crime which is odd. You don't get anything for it, I see a triangle prompt and that's the only way you can find it. It's nothing too impressive, same animation reused from the civilian stuck in the pile of sand you save after the Sandman boss.
BRO. THAT IS CRAZY. IT'S MARTIN LEES ASSASSINS ALL OVER AGAIN
Tbh, im just hoping people are working on some original content for spiderman remastered tbh. Modpacks w user created content from fans would be hella cool imo. Maybe the fans can get it right :,)
I hope so
I don’t agree but on some things I see your point
That Spider-Man exhibit was awesome!
What do you agree or disagree.
idk why you thought everything was a copy of a copy of a copy like a giant copy machine or a kid copying someone elses math homework at school not attacking just curious@@Mr_Blueberry
I think Spiderman has a lot of recycled stories, which is not a problem… but alot of these twists have just been done before.
And done better. Copying is okay as long as you improve and innovate.
You are the cutest reviewer out here Mr blueberry. I could watch a mini series with your avatar just doing different stuff as you talk.
Well that is bery flattering!
Thank You 🤗
@@Mr_Blueberry ^-^ I would buy a plush of you or a chibi just so cute. I got sad when you pulled off your leaves in anger or when you got sad.
Maybe when the channel grows I will make some CHIBIS! This comment means alot to me. Thank You 🤗
@@Mr_Blueberry Oh that be nice and maybe down the line it can be different versions like Mr. Strawberry, etc. :3 💙 Love you always Berry!
You got Spiderman fanboys angry with this
All I do is tell how I feel.
I cannot control other peoples actions.
I also consider myself a Spider-Man boy
this is your cm punk aew collison debut promo you're being too honest and it's pissing off the stans. "tell me when i'm telling lies." - Cm Punk
You know what could’ve worked. I know a lot won’t agree but Peter should’ve not removed the symbiote despite miles and MJ trying to convince him. He should have been corrupted further into becoming Venom and the final villain of the game.
Then this could’ve been interesting, Miles would have no choice but to again fight his mentor and friend and try to separate the two even if it meant killing Peter. That would’ve surprised me greatly as it would’ve then made the Venom storyline very unique and never done before. We have not really seen Peter fully lose himself to the symbiote aside from the Spider's Shadow comic
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*THIS* This right here has got to be my biggest problem with Insomniac Games and Bryan Intihar Marvel's Spider-Man universe lmao...
Like they created their own Marvel videogame universe where The Avengers, Matt Murdock / Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Danny Rand / Iron Fist, and Doctor Strange are all confirmed to exist and live in New York City along with Spider-Man, but they literally never show up at all lol...
Like the whole city is getting overwhelmed by a Symbiote alien invasion guys!!! I think this is the time for you guys to step in and help out and not just let the two Spider-Men handle it all on their own!!!
Also considering they have wraith and Harry.
So it’s like…you are bumping into other vigilantes…just the ones they can afford?
@@Mr_Blueberrywhat a silly criticism. They are not going to spend their budget on licensing for glorified cameos in a story that is ultimately Spidey focused. If you genuinely expected them to that’s on y’all
@@1321-k6h other games have done it. And this is the best selling superhero game of all time.
Not my main complaint… the bigger issue is act 3 sucks and doesn’t feel threatening.
Call me crazy but I think this game should’ve done the black suit arc, but found a way to give venom his own game. They tried doing wayyy too much in this game and if they couldn’t do venom justice in 5 hours, save him for later. Or just save the symbiote entirely for the third game and fuck with the Green Goblin this game.
the story to me is peter is old news, miles is the new and also MJ girl boss for the win this game is another last of us 2
I wouldn’t go that far, but I see the comparison
I played the first Marvel spider man and Miles, never got Spider man 2 never will
Your review of it was great felt the same way while playing did you hear about how miles was gonna get the symbiote and they only used 10% of recorded tony Todd lines. I fear what insomniac will do to the wolverine game, if it’s just a walking movie simulator with occasional fights 🤢
hopefully will be on same level as x men origins wolverine game
I don't blame Insomniac for that but it is trash how they underused Venom arguably Spidermans most popular and interesting villain giving evil Russian hunter guy most of the game.
I wonder where they would have gone with the Miles Game.
I feel like we could have had both…
your opinion ill respect it but im enjoying this game and i like the story to mostly cause i just like to watch diffrent types of storys revolving Spidey and Insomniacs Peter Parker is one of my favorite versions of the character next to Tobey Maguire ,The 90s Cartoon and The Spectacular Spider-Man
Thank You 🤗.
I respect yours as well. Insomniac blew me away with there first games story.
also Insomniacs take on Peter Parker is one of my favorite versions of the character next to Tobey Maguire ,The 90s Cartoon and The Spectacular Spider-Man @@Mr_Blueberry
@@jcasali3391 those are some of my favorites as well!
so did you like Insomniacs take on Peter Parker cause man Yuri Lowenthal makes a great Spider-Man in my opinion?@@Mr_Blueberry
@@jcasali3391 absolutely 👍 fantastic actor and great peter/spider-man.
I literally just beat the game yesterday and that shit was beyond buggy. As a huge spidey fan this game was a big fuckin let down. The traversal gameplay is pretty fucking good and most of the combat is great when it works imo, but the story is so half assed and I've seen better versions of it in other games, movies, comics, etc. I fucking despise this Venom too oh my god, what a fucking waste. They nailed his design and voice only to have him speak maybe ten lines? And he's reduced to a dumb alien who just wants to invade the earth, which I get it's a different take on Venom but that is far closer to Riot than Venom is.
I already uninstalled it, if I wanna play a Spider-Man game I got the remastered version of the first one and Miles to fuck around with. I wanted to enjoy this game so bad but I am not gonna give it a free pass just bc I love Spider-Man.
the game coming to PC will probably be the best thing to happen
This review is spot on and i'm concerned that this game got such stellar reviews. Fanboys just consume and like whatever they get served wihout using their brain to think about it. The game has it's moments but overall is just a huge downgrade from 2018 in so many ways...
I love this comment these were my thoughts exactly and anyone giving this joke of a game 10/10 is out of their flipping minds or is getting paid
I'm jealous. I wish I good be so easily entertained.
same here. I honestly wish I was more stupid so I can enjoy stuff more, but the game just took me out so many times and I cant overlook flaws. Did they cut a peter and mj fight before scream? the dialogue makessense forspiderman but not in context of the story@@Mr_Blueberry
@@The-Legend-of-P honestly, I’m very interested to understand how this game was made and why it turned out like this.
I unfortunately have no inside information
@@Mr_Blueberry yeah we’re all kinda left in the dark. I’m also kinda confused as to how NO ONE saw this coming? What game did the TH-camrs play for 3 hours? Did they not bring up any flaws or concerns with the game? I wanna know the decision making and how they thought this would be passable for 2023. It just seems like a game that would be good in 2020 maybe cause then I’d use the excuse of COVID, but rn I really don’t know what happened. All this game does is show the massive cracks and flaws of insomniac. 5 years and they practically gave us the same game with new animations. Even Jedi survivor gave us combat stances, but sm2 is really just the same shit 😢
Hey while I do disagree to some degree I overall respect your opinion! I really liked your review and critique as to why you didnt enjoy the game as much as I did or others. Another thing that is a big problem about the game is the glitches, they really got to fix those 😅
Hey. You are mature for respecting another opinion differently from your own.
That is cool. I respect and am jealous of your view.
Thanks for the lovely comment.
Still can’t believe they changed MJ and Peters faces. The first game just, had them right.
And apparently MJs face is based off of the head writer. What’s that supposed to mean.
The head writer is a trans woman hence why MJ is ugly as shit in Spider-Man 2.
Im sorry but This video is taking things out of context. Yes the story could have been a bit less rushed at the end with venom and i agree that Kraven was really well done and would love to see more of him but it was stated that this was his last hunt he said it himself that he was looking for someone that could show him a true challenge. The whole harry being venom kinda threw me off too at the beginning but i don’t think harry was every supposed to be the main venom for this Spiderman because the venom symbiote isn’t dead OsCorp has more of the symbiote kept away. I think they made harry venom so Norman has a reason to have a grudge against Spiderman and use the g serum to cure harry and become the green goblin to be the main or one of the main antagonists for the next game
Also I’m curious why no one like miles new suit i thought it was awesome and wouldve been cool to get a backstory on
@@finnleyhook9421 bro it’s a fucking Adidas advertisement.
Appreciate the summary, I don’t think that story is very interesting.
It also is very similar to the first one.
@@Mr_Blueberry i thought they made the advertisement because of the suit not the other way around?
@finnleyhook9421 that’s generally not how it works. Usually advertisements are in collaboration with one another. It’s very possible that insomniac didn’t even design the costume, but somebody from Adidas.
And then they had this collaboration so that Adidas could sell the product.
This design was probably in the works for months, if not years.
They made city twice big, but all you do is fight same 4 factions, in main story, side missions and random crimes and 5th one with symbiotes.
So you get multiple upgrades and skills till the end. But fighting same enemies again and again.
Imagine if souls games had only 4-5 factions of enemies between the boss fights 💀
Wow you are absolutely right! Why didn’t Peter just give Harry the anti venom?
My Fiancé brought this up to me and it blew my mind.
Because he can't, the Anti Venom symbiote is bonded to Peter's white blood cells.
@@g2_655 made from the same symbiote harry had.
@@Mr_Blueberry Yes, but it's permanently bonded to Peter's body. He can't share it.
@@g2_655 why not? Harry probably has the same cells in his body. Given it was the same symbiote.
Shit makes Gollum look good
I have a feeling you dislike this game for the wrong reasons.
@@Mr_Blueberry That, AND all the reasons you said and more why it's trash. Venom, Spider Man, bugs, wokism, etc
@@Caudillo2008 pretty shitty reason tbh.
@@Mr_Blueberry How are you not tired of Sweet Baby Inc putting it's god awful political beliefs and messages into video games like this one? Why can't they be left alone?
@@Caudillo2008 it’s not that big man.
Are the missions lame.
Yeah.
Do the messages apply to my life.
No.
Could the game do without it?
Sure.
Does it probably make someone happy?
Yeah.
Not everything is made for me or my life. I wouldn’t let that stuff bother you so much.
Not enough to make a horrendous username like “straight power/pride”
When google lets ya change your username again… you should