Not trying to pick a fight here, but I do want to point out that we're also still waiting for a reprint of the DnD: Honor Amongst Thieves Secret Lair, which has been around for over 18 months now. As it currently stands, Edgin is $30, Xenk is $40, Themberchaud is $35, Doric is $25, and Forge is $20. While we did eventually get the Walking Dead SLs reprinted in Wilds of Eldraine, that was almost 3 years since. Given their track record, I would not trust Wizards to stick to their "6 months after SL printing" promise.
The Walking Dead ones also maintained the "Walker" name for the zombies it made, so it seems like there are other considerations for licensing and oracle text requirements.
it was years since AND the cards were INCREDIBLY hard to track down. Took me months after release to get my hands on "Universes Within" Glenn because I refuse to say "I cast Glenn" in a game of f'ing Magic....which the way things are going mean I will probably be forced out of Magic soon after 29 years.
Yeah I wouldn't trust Wotc on anything. They kept lying about UB. It's easier to point out what things they not lie at this point. I'm surprised people still believe whatever the heck they puke out. And Yes they will definitely reprint those UB card just when it convenience for them, could be 6 months or 10+years who know at this point.
Making Lord of the Rings modern legal felt fine (from a flavor standpoint - straight to modern sets still feel wrong), but putting universes farther from fantasy into standard even just feels like it's diluting Magic's flavor.
I like peach cobbler and I like lasagna. I don't want lasagna in my peach cobbler. That is why I don't like universes beyond. I like magic for magic. edit: there is no IP I want to see turned into Magic.
@@hanschristopherson8056As a drafter, the "you don't have to play those cards" truly doesn't apply to me. If I want to go draft, I'm obligated to play those cards. I'm not upset at anyone who is excited about them. For them, I am happy. Also, I'm not a fan of commander but I enjoy the content from Mage, Elk, and Snail. I pretty much only play limited. And I'm probably just not going to draft when the UB sets are the newest release. That said, I felt the same way about Murders at Karlov and Thunder Junction. In my opinion, those were UBW (universes beyond within) sets. They were memes. Every big character from every plane with a trenchcoat and fedora. Then all the same characters but with cowboy hats. So I sat them out. Then Bloomburrow came out and was awesome! And then Duskmourn is ok. The UB sets won't be any different. It is just a change in magic that I'm not happy with. I'm not going to champion they be cancelled or anything. If I see something I don't like, I will state that I don't like it and then go do something else.
@@hanschristopherson8056 it's one thing if it's just secret lairs you can ignore. It's another thing if 50% of all sets coming out are universes beyond now, which they are. It ruins the game for those who don't like it. I like some of them, but others would take me out of the experience when I see it. If I see a SpongeBob card on the table, it kinda takes me out of it. But I am fine with certain ones that they've done.
@@hanschristopherson8056 That "don't play the cards" is the absolute dumbest take in this whole thing. I was super excited to start playing standard in paper next year but now I can't because I'm not ok with UB being standard legal and I don't want to sit down to a game where my opponent is going to be playing a deck that's just a marketing campaign for non-magic IPs.
@@jonwainwright895 It's funny I agree with nearly everything but I dislike Bloomburrow and Duskmourn too, they are also gimmicky, UBW meme sets, I also didn't like the gangster set, the vampire wedding sets, or the cyberpunk set for the same reasons. I still play with cards from those sets but they are indicative of WOTC's plans for the future of magic.
I know I'm the old man shaking his fist at the clouds, but hearing about the "street race across the planes" and marvel heroes coming to magic is forcing me to plant my flag in the sand and declare, the Magic as I know and love is well and truly dead.
The renamed cards are a pain in the butt, but it's the *sub types* that seem the most problematic. Are we going to need to also know that necrons are actually the same type as skeletons or something? It's such a problem. At least with card renames, the rules stay the same, but now we're going to have to change the rules, too.
On the subject of Fogs @30:38, Trinket. I'm a Temur main, so I naturally tend to have some beefier creatures that I want to swing with, especially in my lower powered decks. What usually happens is that there's one player in particular I'd like to attack with all my stuff, but I can't do that without leaving myself open to another player when I do this. Now, if I have a fog in hand, I know I can swing with most or all of my stuff and know I can blank at least one player's combat, should they decide to swing a ton of stuff my way. Additionally, once you Fog once, I find that the other players begin to fear you might have another when you leave up W or G. It's like having the ability to bluff a counterspell, but for combat damage, which can often encourage your opponents to swing at each other instead. I do agree with the not playing just a Fog or Darkness, however.
18:46 Hey! There I am! I honestly didn't think my question was worth answering. It felt so silly, but thank you! Izzet is my main color combo, so thank you for even addressing that briefly too! I'll be fitting in some "Flame Slash"s post-haste :)
I cant wait for my hatsune miku deck with spongebob as the alternative commander, who combos off with iron man and blanka, and who could forget my lands from arcane and fortnite!
Fog is great when your win con is beating face. If anyone else is on that same train (they want to beat face too), then often times you’ll both have lethal damage against each other, but neither of you can safely swing in for the kill. Then one of you gets something that allows a lethal swing through evasion or overrun or even just having an explosive turn populating the board. Fog is the ultimate uno reverse for when they think they’ve got you and it almost always either stalls me into a win or becomes my winning piece outright. Wins usually come through combat damage, direct damage/drain, combos, or lockdown/control, with combat damage being more popular than the rest in my experience. Fog is a counterspell for so many decks wincons.
I Don't think Trinket understands that a lot of decks (at least in the places I play) are, Cast a 1 turn board pump(akroma's will, or similar) swing for lethal and a fog just absolutely crushes that because they're then tapped out and their board is no longer lethal until they find another of their alpha strike spells
In the places I play that is almost zero percent of the decks I play against. If they have lethal this turn, quite often they’ll have it every turn after that barring boardwipes
The part that bothers the most isn't all the UB stuff, it's that all of the Original work looks so GOOD, Aetherdrift? They wanted to do a racing set for a while, showcasing new opportunities for the omenpaths, plus 3 planes in a set is unheard of (unless you count Alara) Tarkir: Dragonstorm? Looks so good, they're really going to change up the world that I started off with, my very first set was Khans of Tarkir so I'm glad that the wedges are back, and there's still dragons! Edge of Eternities? My most hyped set EVER, I fucking love space fantasy and space operas, the concept art looked incredible the alien designs, and I love how they're really going all out and experimenting I have genuinely never been more excited for any (in-universe) magic sets. The problem is that I have to specify "In-Universe)
Universes Beyond was, is and will always be an indulgence and should be treated as such. I'm fine with the concept as a whole, though I also think that Wizards has an impressive track-record for picking the thematically worst properties to print, but that's neither here nor there, as that's too subjective a topic to really nail down (All I'll say is that Final Fantasy will probably be the second good choice for a property to adapt in the history of UB since LoTR). It's fine to celebrate and have fun with a small license fiesta, but do it too much too quickly and suddenly it's actual drawbacks start to surface as the novelty of it begins to dim. This year's roadmap marks to me sort of everything I think Universes Beyond should never have become. It's an invasive species, that is pushing away the actual property that we're here to celebrate with Lorwyn's unceremonious shove to the backlines in favor of Spider-Man. It errodes the game's foundations, as it dilutes the identity of Magic as an IP and causes a litany of issues with reprints, as now every greasy finger in this pie is going to fight them on getting that done. While a bit of a suprious allegation (So take it with a grain of salt), but I can't help but feel that the influence of UB and it's dilution of Magic's identity has had an effect on the main sets being released as well, as they begin to feel like gimmicky in their premises. When I look at Aetherdrift and Edge of Eternity, it's hard for me to think of them as compelling worlds and sets made to build into a greater narrative, instead just making me think "Is this just to soften us up to these themes for the inevitable Star Wars UB?" I liked UB, when it was Secret Lairs, Commander Decks and the occasional B-side of a set booster (Not that you could do that one anymore). Much as Middle Earth was to me, as a LoTR fan since childhood, a fantastic celebration of my love for both LoTR and Magic: The Gathering, it was a monkey's paw that furled it's fingers, as that excitement has now sent the wrong message to Hasbro. I can't get this excited about every tentpole UB release. I'd rather get excited the way I did for Bloomburrow, being given something fresh and something Magic to be excited about.
Wait. Ive been listening for about four hours and i didnt realize it ended after fifty minutes. You need to give snail back his job, i had no idea the video wasnt playing
My personal opinion on the UB sets. I personally think they should have their own game mode. Like UB commander or UB standard, modern etc. If you have friends that have a commander that’s from UB then you can always rule 0 it. Idk it’s becoming a hodge podge of IPs and it’s not the mtg I enjoy to see/ play.
It'll never happen, but I wish they'd just design everything for standard, maybe with the exception of a few occasional silver-border sets, and maybe a few legendary creatures that only work in multiplayer for EDH. Keep any UB stuff as Secret Lairs, with in-universe versions already existing or coming out simultaneously. There'd be fewer products to keep track of, and probably less busted card designs (as everything has to be at Standard's level). But it's far, far too late now.
i feel my stomach sink as i see spongebob on a magic card. People say that MTG is becoming the fortnite of card games with IP crossing, but i think this is the turning point. we *are* the fortnite of card games now. marvel on top of that doesnt help
Yeah, when the most recent Standard set is just a grab bag mash up of every horror movie, and then the next set is Wacky Racers followed by Space Opera... It's like they won't even let us have Magic Sets in the Magic Sets
Duskmourn and it's "we couldn't get a deal on the license for every 80's horror movie" vibe. Don't forget cards that are straight up names after famous movie lines or bad puns.
The thing about playing fogs in your deck is that once you start, then people know you play fogs and you can threaten to timewalk their combat step which means people attack others instead
24:13 definitely agree, and I love secret commanders cause you can go "yeah I just tutored for the gambling dog, what about it", anyway, for the question zone I wanted to ask if you have any other hobbies besides magic you wanted to talk about :3
My question for you guys are what are your favorite budget commanders? As a magic player with a very very low budget I would love some suggestions from you guys and think it would make a cool discussion!
In regards to the fog conversation fogs are instant speed and cost little mana. While boardwipes cost more mana and are often sorcery speed. You can keep the fog mana open, and if someone decides they swing at you for lethal (even better if the fog is one sided and they kill opponents for you while theyre at it), you remove the board at sorcery speed when you untap. And until then, you can keep your responses in hand till you KNOW youll need them. So they allow you to be more reactive and get all you can out of your boardwipes.
praying that this combat tricks simplification will bring us banding. the reprintd storm a half dozen times AFTER the STORM SCALE SO IDK WHY MY FAV MECHANIC CANT GET ANY7 LOVE. im sane and fien i swear
Man I’ve heard the “have backup cards!” Things before but the whole reason I made a silver border deck is because I love contraptions. Having “backups” would defeat the entire purpose of the deck
@ there are backups to the play fantasy of “putting elves on the table” There’s not a backup to the play fantasy of clockwork contraptions that activate on a timer and make me feel like an evil mastermind
My partner loves Abomination of Llanowar! They made fan art of it where the Abomination is in the art style of Animal Crossing and it's extremely funny to look at.
Literally the only issue I have with the new focus on UB is that it will become Standard legal. Standard is already a lucrative format with a high cost for entry, and primarily for Arena players. Forcing UB into Standard means that those players will be forced to purchase product regardless of liking the IP or not just to compete in the current Standard meta. Like, I am not a Final Fantasy fan at all, but the UB itself is a really cool idea for the game. But, to play Standard or Arena, I will HAVE to engage with them. That was the nice thing about UB when it launched. It wasn't a mandatory thing every player had to engage with unless they liked the IP (minus The One Ring, I guess). Leaving UB for the eternal formats felt like the best way to introduce them because Commander was already very accepting of the new whacky IPs.
Obscurring Haze alsp prevents noncombat damage by creatures. This saved me multiple times! Frum things lime Guttersnipe to Combat or a Mayham Devil. Next turn you can boardwipe ^^
my other issue with half the sets being Universes Beyond is that if the Magic sets are duds to me theme wise then its just even more stuff that I don't want to get. I was excited for Duskmourn until previews showed all the goofy ghostbusters tech stuff and I'm worried that Aetherdrift and Edge of Eternities are gonna be exactly the same and I can't really support the Magic IP without buying into sets that are just as tropey as the UB stuff I want to avoid.
Universes Beyond should *never* be in Standard and Pioneer. Universes Beyond should *never* take the place of an in-universe premier set. Print a UB set in place of fucking Modern Horizons 4 or some shit like that, instead of in the place of Return to Lorwyn. This *pissed me off*.
Fog effects are great and there's a deck type that matches them really well - goad. There's that inevitable moment where you're at 1vs1 cause everyone is dead and you need that one extra turn to kill last player and Fog will save you then. Happened to me many times in my Tahngarth, First Mate deck so I ran 3 of them (Blessed Respite, Lull and Undergrowth) Also some fog effects prevent not only combat damage but ALL the damage and can protect you for Blasphemous act or Chandra's ignition
dude i totally agree with elk about the hearthstone core set, people thought defile, one of the best cards in warlock, getting added was gonna kill standard, but making iconic and good cards accessible is a good thing, setting a *standard* for standard
One other thing with Fog is four player strategy, if you wipe the board on sorcery speed you don't know if the attackers were going your way, with a Fog you stop them just if they are going to kill you and then you play the wrath, otherway you let your opponents lower their life totals.
Would be really cool to have like a "Brew Off" to where you guys have a month to brew a deck that you maybe thought of building and then premier them in a match against each other.
I love Blessed Respite so much. It's such a good card against graveyard decks and I play it in my The Master, Transcended deck as both protection from graveyard hate as well as a way to recycle my own graveyard.
This happened with the LotR set and now again with the Final Fantasy where nearly none of the MtG content creators that I watch are familiar with the source material. I'm just surprised that there are so many nerds who's focus is limited to just MtG and not any of other super nerdy franchises. Maybe you have to be a certain kind of narrow scoped nerd to make MtG videos rather than holding a huge nerd umbrella, but idk. I just had trouble finding MtG videos when LotR came out by LotR fans, and think it's going to happen again with Final Fantasy.
I think you are correct. People like me who are hyper obsessed with MTG are more likely to make content for it. I think I am in the minority in terms of not knowing final fantasy.
Another point: I don't think the sales pitch of "attracting new players" is accurate. I think the people obsessed with hoarding everything related to these IP jump in, buy up the stuff related to it and leave again. This skews WotC's internal sales data and makes them think UB is growing the playerbase by some significant margin when, in my experience, I've yet to meet a single person who got into MTG because of any of these crossovers. *Literally* not one person...but I know many people who are going 100% proxy or straight up quitting over it. I, personally, after this weekend's announcements have started selling all my non-RL stuff and going 100% proxy from now on. Even then I'll probably cash out completely once the Funko-fication of MTG is complete and just play Proxy Cube with my buddies from then on.
Jumping in Elk's idea: If we're stuck with Universes Beyond anyway just make a universes beyond set that is just From Software universes collapsing onto each other (like in Dark Souls 3's lore). You can make it Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodbourne and Elden Ring, but I would also like Sekiro and maybe just a little bit of Armored Core (not even going that deep, maybe just some Mechs as big artifact creatures).
On the Fog question, I have a funny story about it: There was a turn where someone swung out at me in the game with all of their creatures (a bunch of scute swarms), but I fogged the damage. However, because he had some many creatures attacking me, he ended up losing because he decked himself out on his endstep unintentionally.
im a big fan of Pollen Lullaby if you win the clash their creatures also don't untap next turn :) In a multiplayer game you become a huge vulnerable target. You fog their craterhoof and freeze their army for an entire turn cycle on top of preventing the damage. Its soul crushing lol.
As someone that thinks Universes Beyond is a cool idea it being Standard is most certainly not. Having THREE in a year is ridiculous. That said, I am definitely buying into Final Fantasy.
Question Zone: When these Universes Beyond sets come into the game, what power level should the cards try to exist in? The less powerful it is, the more the theming is just an aesthetic choice, the more powerful it is, the more it'll sell and the greater the possibility of having another one ring situation. And if you'd like, you can separate your answer to the viewpoints of personal enjoyment and health of the game perspectives.
I really felt the part about Universes Beyond lmao like I do NOT like the Transformers cards at all and I expect the Spongebob ones elicit a bit of disgust, but like.. if they did a Bionicles UB I'd be literally screaming
Do it everyone in my pod does, discuss with your group the power levels you are looking for and build accordingly. I couldn’t imagine paying more than a quarter for a piece of cardboard
i would say i'm "generic commander does generic thing" guy, i.e. so far ive built and played anowon rogue tribal (my fave), sygg river cutthroat (started with unblockable/rogue tribal, am just working towards more commander specific synergies at the moment), otrimi/surgeon mutate piles, tawnos beast tribal with a sprinkle of birds, giada angel tribal (request of my fiance) and am building an alania large spell-/otter-slinger deck. cannot say im unhappy or anything, i love playing these decks and always use deck specific and only on-theme cards, cannot say i'd prefer to be more "unique", what i'm doing already does feel unique enough to me. i do simply appreciate listening to other peoples' thought processes and preferences. i always try to dodge the top 100 list like the plague and just try and go with something i know isnt as popular or broken as dragons, elves, zombies, jodah, etc. tldr: if i submitted my anowon deck or w/e, you'd probably not like it :D?
Question Zone: Do you bling out (I.E try to get all alt arts and foil treatments) your EDH decks? why or why not and if so which decks? P.S. You both answered a question of mine in a previous week and recommended Zirilan of the Claw as a dragon typal commander as an alternative to Ur-Dragon. I love toolbox commanders and have always wanted to build dragons without building some silly five-colour value pile. so thank you, I am currently brewing this really cool commander I probably never would have found otherwise.
I'm with Elk - hate their upcoming plans for UB, but will betray all my values for Soulsborne Universes Beyond. At least that fits with the aesthetic of Magic enough that people unfamiliar with the games wouldn't know the difference.
Question zone: what is the origin of finding your favorite color combo? For me personally as a red main, i discovered aurelia, exemplar of justice and now i consider myself a boros main etc
As a mirrodin die hard, its funny for me to read the complaints of UB doing to the mtg setting for others what new phyrexia did to me. I felt peoples pain, but since the only setting i really cared about in mtg already died I'm mostly sticking around for the UB stuff now.
A, I enjoy the fact you guys mentioned your "okay so look I hate UB but here's the exception" there's a lot of hate for ub and I feel this just helps temper it yk? Also, your so right about the cost of entry. I'm STILL saving to buy the energy pre con from mh3, and despite having currently 5 decks that are playable, I have MAYBE 1 that has NO "friends printed with a swamp back" proxies, and 3 are entirely proxies 100%!
I'd love to see a commander game between Mage, Elk, Snail, and either Deck Driver MTG or Power Budget TCG. Deck Driver makes similar content to Mage, Elk, and Snail geared towards a slightly higher power I would say. Power Budget TCG is just funny man. He makes budget commander meme esc style videos.
I love blessed respite, great card. Elk knows. My question zone is this: would you play a commander format where there are no bans? Power nine, silver border cards, even custom cards. I've been mulling on this since the RC went away. A totally fan regulated format is what I'm imagining.
HOLY SHIT i did the same thing, my first deck i ever made was just turboramp omnath that just kept replaying omnath and keeping my mana pool and staring at them. i built it this year and it got me into magic the gathering
Question Zone: what are good ways to choose what instant and sorceries to include? I come from Yugioh, so I like repeatable effects, and instant/sorceries just dont do it for me. I have a high saturation of creatures, artifacts, and enchantments, since i just dont know what to choose.
I had a sixty card constructed deck, Jund Cascade, where I would swap out Living End with Enter the Dungeon to get some wacky multiplayer games. Super fun and most people didn't mind.
As someone who is a fan of most franchises that were brought over so far (dr who, warhammer, fantasy not 40k, assassins creed, fallout, dnd and lord of the rings), the only ones i think truly fit in with magic are lotr and dnd, since they are the "baseline" inspiration for most things fantasy already.
As a chronically casual player, the good news is that all the UB releases make magic like it was 10 years ago: only three sets a year. I fully plan to just ignore UB because it's not Magic, full stop. I don't care about the "collector value" of these sets. The bad news is that we can fully expect UB to be the new norm for the rest of Magic's existence. Breaking up the Marvel IP into individual superheroes (an entire set around Spiderman??) basically guarantees this. Having to put up with The One Ring in almost every opponent's deck is annoying already, and I'm not exactly thrilled to have to go against every single UB chase card until the end of time.
The LoTR set was the best Universes Beyond, fitting right into Magic's fantasy flavor. Assassin's Creed was also good- Magic does have some sets with historical flavor. Doctor Who and 40K push further away from the flavor of Magic, but they were printed into EDH, so they are not forced upon anyone while fans of those franchises can play with their favorite characters. Why are _Final Fantasy_ and _Spider-Man_ going directly into standard? (The answer is money)
Question Zone : What cards have come out recently that you think are going to be eternal? I think cards like Withering Torment from DSK can slot into pretty much anything so i was wondering if you had your own new favorites
Rmember when everybody was saying this would never happen after they announced the Walking Dead secret lair? Congratulations, MtG has completely lost its identity. Now its just Pop-Culture Fight, the tcg. As someone whos been in MtG since Scourge, Im "universes beyond" disgusted with the state of the game.
30:50 Bro never played against Akroma's Will and it shows. It doesn't matter that you have a board, your opponen has double strike, indestructible, hexproof, lifelink, deathtouch etc. THE ONLY solution is fog.
TrinketMage is like 1/5th the player he thinks he is. Pretty common among TH-camrs and wannabe influencers. Nitpicking Nerds are the same. Like "why am I listening to the advice of a girl who has been playing for like 3 years and her bf who has never played a competitive format?"
Question Zone: What’s your opinion on taking advantage of partner or backgrounds to make weird pairs of commanders, and are there any partner/background pairs you think are especially cool?
I play two "illegal" commanders. One is a Maelstrom Archangel deck, since I wanted to run 5 color tribal angels, and there are no 5 color angels that are legendary, and also an Okaun and Zndrsplt coin flip deck, and since they have the old 'partner ability' they technically can't be partner commanders.
that's great...you'd never get to play it in my town. Why bother building something that half the time people are gonna say "no" to? Just take the deck and put Kenrith the TCZ. Simple.
Best solution? Just make the UB cards mediocre. If they are middle of the road, and not meta defining then the people who play them will do so because they like the property, not to get advantage in game. Assassins Creed didn't shake up the meta, and yet for people like me they are a fun addition, and a theme for my decks.
Elk you gotta build Elbrus if you like it. I love artifacts and I'm building "March of the Machines" without creatures for flavor, it's been a blast going through wacky artifacts to put in. Also no lattice cause that would be just wrong with people already agreeing to a rule 0 commander
Question Zone A bit of a monkeys paw scenario for you. If casual players were to start moving from just commander into multiple formats, bringing a big boost to standard/modern/limited etc, and causes wizards to refocus on those formats primarily BUT, the price was that 50% or more of sets were Universes Beyond, would you take that deal?
"I am going to flash a Voltorb, tap it to crew The Titanic and sac it to blow your Sonic the Hedgehog then I go to attacks swing with The Titanic alongside my Jesse Pinkman which is equipped with Vega's Claws and a Cigarette so it triggers a special move. Second Main, I am going to tap a Castle Grayskull and sac these Dollar tokens in order to add one purple and cash five money to consume a Big Mac and gain 250 calories. Pass..."
Question Zone Question: Hey! You mentioned how elves can be really cool, but you're tired of elfball. I agree! Are there any elf commanders, or alternative ways to build some elf commanders that make elves more interesting? I like elves aesthetically and in a lot of different fantasy properties so I'd love to actually have fun with an elf deck. Anyone else is free to comment cool ideas as well I'd love to hear them!
What do you do after the fog... What do you do after the removal? What do you do after the teferis prot? What do you do after the heroic intervention? What do you do after the cleaver concealment? What do you do after yadda yadda yadda i think that was a pretty bad take on fogs in general since you can apply the basic logic to every single combat interaction. or interaction in the game in general.
For teferi pro and heroic intervention those protect my board. So in this situation I have a board already and it gets saved from a board wipe. Obviously after that I would swing for damage. For has the life gain problem. Yes I can gain 10 life with a card to mitigate damage but after that they will swing for 10 and I’m back to square one
I run a fog in my Xenagos deck because I'm tapped out because I killed someone last turn and now need to protect myself for a turn so that I kill someone else the next turn.
Not trying to pick a fight here, but I do want to point out that we're also still waiting for a reprint of the DnD: Honor Amongst Thieves Secret Lair, which has been around for over 18 months now. As it currently stands, Edgin is $30, Xenk is $40, Themberchaud is $35, Doric is $25, and Forge is $20.
While we did eventually get the Walking Dead SLs reprinted in Wilds of Eldraine, that was almost 3 years since.
Given their track record, I would not trust Wizards to stick to their "6 months after SL printing" promise.
The Walking Dead ones also maintained the "Walker" name for the zombies it made, so it seems like there are other considerations for licensing and oracle text requirements.
They said they are not gonna reprint DnD theamed SL s
it was years since AND the cards were INCREDIBLY hard to track down. Took me months after release to get my hands on "Universes Within" Glenn because I refuse to say "I cast Glenn" in a game of f'ing Magic....which the way things are going mean I will probably be forced out of Magic soon after 29 years.
I'll die on that hill. 3 years is not a couple months.
Yeah I wouldn't trust Wotc on anything.
They kept lying about UB. It's easier to point out what things they not lie at this point.
I'm surprised people still believe whatever the heck they puke out.
And Yes they will definitely reprint those UB card just when it convenience for them, could be 6 months or 10+years who know at this point.
"He's in Yugoslavia or something" Balkans guys in shambles
Should have just said "somewhere in the Ottoman empire" for maximum Serb-triggering
Making Lord of the Rings modern legal felt fine (from a flavor standpoint - straight to modern sets still feel wrong), but putting universes farther from fantasy into standard even just feels like it's diluting Magic's flavor.
THATS ME!!! IM THE VOLRATH GUY!!! Thanks so much for mentioning me!!!
IM THE PERSON WHO RECCOMENDED THE 5 GODLY VOLRATH CARDS (elk didnt know but i HAVE been playing volrath for about 3 years at this point)
HEY I PLAYED AGANIST YOU IN ELKCORD
Missed opportunity to make a topical SpongeBob reference
I like peach cobbler and I like lasagna. I don't want lasagna in my peach cobbler. That is why I don't like universes beyond. I like magic for magic. edit: there is no IP I want to see turned into Magic.
You don’t have to play those cards just don’t shit on anyone that’s excited about a UB set has been my philosophy
@@hanschristopherson8056As a drafter, the "you don't have to play those cards" truly doesn't apply to me. If I want to go draft, I'm obligated to play those cards.
I'm not upset at anyone who is excited about them. For them, I am happy. Also, I'm not a fan of commander but I enjoy the content from Mage, Elk, and Snail. I pretty much only play limited. And I'm probably just not going to draft when the UB sets are the newest release. That said, I felt the same way about Murders at Karlov and Thunder Junction. In my opinion, those were UBW (universes beyond within) sets. They were memes. Every big character from every plane with a trenchcoat and fedora. Then all the same characters but with cowboy hats. So I sat them out. Then Bloomburrow came out and was awesome! And then Duskmourn is ok. The UB sets won't be any different. It is just a change in magic that I'm not happy with. I'm not going to champion they be cancelled or anything. If I see something I don't like, I will state that I don't like it and then go do something else.
@@hanschristopherson8056 it's one thing if it's just secret lairs you can ignore. It's another thing if 50% of all sets coming out are universes beyond now, which they are. It ruins the game for those who don't like it. I like some of them, but others would take me out of the experience when I see it. If I see a SpongeBob card on the table, it kinda takes me out of it. But I am fine with certain ones that they've done.
@@hanschristopherson8056 That "don't play the cards" is the absolute dumbest take in this whole thing. I was super excited to start playing standard in paper next year but now I can't because I'm not ok with UB being standard legal and I don't want to sit down to a game where my opponent is going to be playing a deck that's just a marketing campaign for non-magic IPs.
@@jonwainwright895 It's funny I agree with nearly everything but I dislike Bloomburrow and Duskmourn too, they are also gimmicky, UBW meme sets, I also didn't like the gangster set, the vampire wedding sets, or the cyberpunk set for the same reasons. I still play with cards from those sets but they are indicative of WOTC's plans for the future of magic.
I know I'm the old man shaking his fist at the clouds, but hearing about the "street race across the planes" and marvel heroes coming to magic is forcing me to plant my flag in the sand and declare, the Magic as I know and love is well and truly dead.
The fortnitification of mtg continues to pick up pace.
The renamed cards are a pain in the butt, but it's the *sub types* that seem the most problematic. Are we going to need to also know that necrons are actually the same type as skeletons or something? It's such a problem. At least with card renames, the rules stay the same, but now we're going to have to change the rules, too.
Yeah, they presumably can make up a fantastical name then, but then all the Lord effects and typal cards like, just kind of don't work
On the subject of Fogs @30:38, Trinket. I'm a Temur main, so I naturally tend to have some beefier creatures that I want to swing with, especially in my lower powered decks. What usually happens is that there's one player in particular I'd like to attack with all my stuff, but I can't do that without leaving myself open to another player when I do this.
Now, if I have a fog in hand, I know I can swing with most or all of my stuff and know I can blank at least one player's combat, should they decide to swing a ton of stuff my way.
Additionally, once you Fog once, I find that the other players begin to fear you might have another when you leave up W or G. It's like having the ability to bluff a counterspell, but for combat damage, which can often encourage your opponents to swing at each other instead.
I do agree with the not playing just a Fog or Darkness, however.
my spongebob against your sephiroth against your magic poney against ancient dragon
18:46 Hey! There I am! I honestly didn't think my question was worth answering. It felt so silly, but thank you! Izzet is my main color combo, so thank you for even addressing that briefly too! I'll be fitting in some "Flame Slash"s post-haste :)
the way the thumbnail was presented made me think spongebob was this weeks third host
I cant wait for my hatsune miku deck with spongebob as the alternative commander, who combos off with iron man and blanka, and who could forget my lands from arcane and fortnite!
Don't forget to throw My Little Pony into the mix too!
People keep saying this like it's a had thing, sounds dope to me
In 2026 itll be buzz lightyear and Austin Powers
Imagine if Fortnite brought back the battle cards
What about blues clues?
Fog is great when your win con is beating face. If anyone else is on that same train (they want to beat face too), then often times you’ll both have lethal damage against each other, but neither of you can safely swing in for the kill. Then one of you gets something that allows a lethal swing through evasion or overrun or even just having an explosive turn populating the board. Fog is the ultimate uno reverse for when they think they’ve got you and it almost always either stalls me into a win or becomes my winning piece outright. Wins usually come through combat damage, direct damage/drain, combos, or lockdown/control, with combat damage being more popular than the rest in my experience. Fog is a counterspell for so many decks wincons.
When Trinket said Ur-Dragon I literally yelled "THANK YOU" out loud
I Don't think Trinket understands that a lot of decks (at least in the places I play) are,
Cast a 1 turn board pump(akroma's will, or similar) swing for lethal
and a fog just absolutely crushes that because they're then tapped out and their board is no longer lethal until they find another of their alpha strike spells
This is a very good pro fog argument
In the places I play that is almost zero percent of the decks I play against. If they have lethal this turn, quite often they’ll have it every turn after that barring boardwipes
@@lawrencehu7654 That's why you and the other two players commit to wiping them out.
The part that bothers the most isn't all the UB stuff, it's that all of the Original work looks so GOOD,
Aetherdrift? They wanted to do a racing set for a while, showcasing new opportunities for the omenpaths, plus 3 planes in a set is unheard of (unless you count Alara)
Tarkir: Dragonstorm? Looks so good, they're really going to change up the world that I started off with, my very first set was Khans of Tarkir so I'm glad that the wedges are back, and there's still dragons!
Edge of Eternities? My most hyped set EVER, I fucking love space fantasy and space operas, the concept art looked incredible the alien designs, and I love how they're really going all out and experimenting
I have genuinely never been more excited for any (in-universe) magic sets. The problem is that I have to specify "In-Universe)
Universes Beyond was, is and will always be an indulgence and should be treated as such. I'm fine with the concept as a whole, though I also think that Wizards has an impressive track-record for picking the thematically worst properties to print, but that's neither here nor there, as that's too subjective a topic to really nail down (All I'll say is that Final Fantasy will probably be the second good choice for a property to adapt in the history of UB since LoTR). It's fine to celebrate and have fun with a small license fiesta, but do it too much too quickly and suddenly it's actual drawbacks start to surface as the novelty of it begins to dim.
This year's roadmap marks to me sort of everything I think Universes Beyond should never have become. It's an invasive species, that is pushing away the actual property that we're here to celebrate with Lorwyn's unceremonious shove to the backlines in favor of Spider-Man. It errodes the game's foundations, as it dilutes the identity of Magic as an IP and causes a litany of issues with reprints, as now every greasy finger in this pie is going to fight them on getting that done. While a bit of a suprious allegation (So take it with a grain of salt), but I can't help but feel that the influence of UB and it's dilution of Magic's identity has had an effect on the main sets being released as well, as they begin to feel like gimmicky in their premises. When I look at Aetherdrift and Edge of Eternity, it's hard for me to think of them as compelling worlds and sets made to build into a greater narrative, instead just making me think "Is this just to soften us up to these themes for the inevitable Star Wars UB?"
I liked UB, when it was Secret Lairs, Commander Decks and the occasional B-side of a set booster (Not that you could do that one anymore). Much as Middle Earth was to me, as a LoTR fan since childhood, a fantastic celebration of my love for both LoTR and Magic: The Gathering, it was a monkey's paw that furled it's fingers, as that excitement has now sent the wrong message to Hasbro. I can't get this excited about every tentpole UB release. I'd rather get excited the way I did for Bloomburrow, being given something fresh and something Magic to be excited about.
Wait. Ive been listening for about four hours and i didnt realize it ended after fifty minutes. You need to give snail back his job, i had no idea the video wasnt playing
My personal opinion on the UB sets. I personally think they should have their own game mode. Like UB commander or UB standard, modern etc. If you have friends that have a commander that’s from UB then you can always rule 0 it. Idk it’s becoming a hodge podge of IPs and it’s not the mtg I enjoy to see/ play.
MTG is just ad space for other IP's at this point.
It'll never happen, but I wish they'd just design everything for standard, maybe with the exception of a few occasional silver-border sets, and maybe a few legendary creatures that only work in multiplayer for EDH.
Keep any UB stuff as Secret Lairs, with in-universe versions already existing or coming out simultaneously.
There'd be fewer products to keep track of, and probably less busted card designs (as everything has to be at Standard's level). But it's far, far too late now.
i feel my stomach sink as i see spongebob on a magic card. People say that MTG is becoming the fortnite of card games with IP crossing, but i think this is the turning point. we *are* the fortnite of card games now. marvel on top of that doesnt help
Honestly, the Universes Beyond stuff in Standard isn't more lore-breaking than some of the narrative decisions in the last few years.
Yeah, when the most recent Standard set is just a grab bag mash up of every horror movie, and then the next set is Wacky Racers followed by Space Opera... It's like they won't even let us have Magic Sets in the Magic Sets
Duskmourn and it's "we couldn't get a deal on the license for every 80's horror movie" vibe.
Don't forget cards that are straight up names after famous movie lines or bad puns.
The thing about playing fogs in your deck is that once you start, then people know you play fogs and you can threaten to timewalk their combat step which means people attack others instead
For me, I'd show up next week with more fogs than you. Or a deck with blue. I don't mind losing but I find fogs so deflating
24:13 definitely agree, and I love secret commanders cause you can go "yeah I just tutored for the gambling dog, what about it", anyway, for the question zone I wanted to ask if you have any other hobbies besides magic you wanted to talk about :3
Saw this question from last week but wanted to save it for when Snail was also on :)
@@thetrinketmage oooh thank u :D
My question for you guys are what are your favorite budget commanders? As a magic player with a very very low budget I would love some suggestions from you guys and think it would make a cool discussion!
They should have allowed creatures with Defender to still be able to assign combat damage to themselves.
I'm with Elk, I would absolutely lose my shit if they did a Bloodborne Universes Beyond.
OKAY BUT LIKE FOR REAL. Blood, madness, delerium, transform are like all already a thing
@@33elkmonstrous, sadistic glee/blade of the blood chief effects etc
In regards to the fog conversation fogs are instant speed and cost little mana. While boardwipes cost more mana and are often sorcery speed. You can keep the fog mana open, and if someone decides they swing at you for lethal (even better if the fog is one sided and they kill opponents for you while theyre at it), you remove the board at sorcery speed when you untap. And until then, you can keep your responses in hand till you KNOW youll need them. So they allow you to be more reactive and get all you can out of your boardwipes.
A well placed fog is an extra turn sometimes. Extra turns are very good.
Ghyrson Starn is going to benefit from the combat change immensely. Choosing to assign 1 damage here and there will be nice.
I didn't realize that. Time to update it seems!
praying that this combat tricks simplification will bring us banding. the reprintd storm a half dozen times AFTER the STORM SCALE SO IDK WHY MY FAV MECHANIC CANT GET ANY7 LOVE.
im sane and fien i swear
Man I’ve heard the “have backup cards!” Things before but the whole reason I made a silver border deck is because I love contraptions. Having “backups” would defeat the entire purpose of the deck
Then you have a backup deck lol
@ there are backups to the play fantasy of “putting elves on the table”
There’s not a backup to the play fantasy of clockwork contraptions that activate on a timer and make me feel like an evil mastermind
When your change to combat damage doesn't even really affect banding, it's probably fine
They did Bloodborne UB, it was called Shadows over Innistrad
My partner loves Abomination of Llanowar! They made fan art of it where the Abomination is in the art style of Animal Crossing and it's extremely funny to look at.
When I first saw the racing set I thought of the anime movie Redline, its really good and a def. watch
Literally the only issue I have with the new focus on UB is that it will become Standard legal. Standard is already a lucrative format with a high cost for entry, and primarily for Arena players. Forcing UB into Standard means that those players will be forced to purchase product regardless of liking the IP or not just to compete in the current Standard meta.
Like, I am not a Final Fantasy fan at all, but the UB itself is a really cool idea for the game. But, to play Standard or Arena, I will HAVE to engage with them. That was the nice thing about UB when it launched. It wasn't a mandatory thing every player had to engage with unless they liked the IP (minus The One Ring, I guess). Leaving UB for the eternal formats felt like the best way to introduce them because Commander was already very accepting of the new whacky IPs.
Obscurring Haze alsp prevents noncombat damage by creatures. This saved me multiple times! Frum things lime Guttersnipe to Combat or a Mayham Devil. Next turn you can boardwipe ^^
WotC really turning Magic into the Fortnite of card games lmao
the Funko of card games works too.
my other issue with half the sets being Universes Beyond is that if the Magic sets are duds to me theme wise then its just even more stuff that I don't want to get. I was excited for Duskmourn until previews showed all the goofy ghostbusters tech stuff and I'm worried that Aetherdrift and Edge of Eternities are gonna be exactly the same and I can't really support the Magic IP without buying into sets that are just as tropey as the UB stuff I want to avoid.
THEY DESPARKED DARETTI
BURN EVERYTHING TO THE GROUND
He probably pawned it off for a cool looking whizbanger or thing-a-majing.
@@monkeeb thats goblin racism
Daretti was a very intelligent person, smart enough to become a member of Fiora’s artificer academy
@@brandonjensen586fair
@@brandonjensen586 It was a REALLY cool thing-a-majig.
My issue is that Daretti suddenly has legs after they were blown off by his first planeswalk
Universes Beyond should *never* be in Standard and Pioneer. Universes Beyond should *never* take the place of an in-universe premier set.
Print a UB set in place of fucking Modern Horizons 4 or some shit like that, instead of in the place of Return to Lorwyn.
This *pissed me off*.
Fog effects are great and there's a deck type that matches them really well - goad. There's that inevitable moment where you're at 1vs1 cause everyone is dead and you need that one extra turn to kill last player and Fog will save you then. Happened to me many times in my Tahngarth, First Mate deck so I ran 3 of them (Blessed Respite, Lull and Undergrowth)
Also some fog effects prevent not only combat damage but ALL the damage and can protect you for Blasphemous act or Chandra's ignition
My favorite Fog usage is to secure a kill against Lifelink. My two favorites are Tangle and Moment of Peace.
dude i totally agree with elk about the hearthstone core set, people thought defile, one of the best cards in warlock, getting added was gonna kill standard, but making iconic and good cards accessible is a good thing, setting a *standard* for standard
As an avid fan of Starfinder since it's release in 2017, I've been so psyched for Edge of Eternities since it was teased as "Volleyball" in 2023.
One other thing with Fog is four player strategy, if you wipe the board on sorcery speed you don't know if the attackers were going your way, with a Fog you stop them just if they are going to kill you and then you play the wrath, otherway you let your opponents lower their life totals.
Would be really cool to have like a "Brew Off" to where you guys have a month to brew a deck that you maybe thought of building and then premier them in a match against each other.
I love Blessed Respite so much. It's such a good card against graveyard decks and I play it in my The Master, Transcended deck as both protection from graveyard hate as well as a way to recycle my own graveyard.
WHERE IS THE SNAIL!?!?!?!? 😡😡😡😡😡
Yougoslavia, snail went back in time
@@fro123play3 slime travel
He's hiding in the bottom corners of the mirror frame if you look closely
This happened with the LotR set and now again with the Final Fantasy where nearly none of the MtG content creators that I watch are familiar with the source material. I'm just surprised that there are so many nerds who's focus is limited to just MtG and not any of other super nerdy franchises. Maybe you have to be a certain kind of narrow scoped nerd to make MtG videos rather than holding a huge nerd umbrella, but idk. I just had trouble finding MtG videos when LotR came out by LotR fans, and think it's going to happen again with Final Fantasy.
I think you are correct. People like me who are hyper obsessed with MTG are more likely to make content for it. I think I am in the minority in terms of not knowing final fantasy.
Another point: I don't think the sales pitch of "attracting new players" is accurate. I think the people obsessed with hoarding everything related to these IP jump in, buy up the stuff related to it and leave again. This skews WotC's internal sales data and makes them think UB is growing the playerbase by some significant margin when, in my experience, I've yet to meet a single person who got into MTG because of any of these crossovers. *Literally* not one person...but I know many people who are going 100% proxy or straight up quitting over it.
I, personally, after this weekend's announcements have started selling all my non-RL stuff and going 100% proxy from now on. Even then I'll probably cash out completely once the Funko-fication of MTG is complete and just play Proxy Cube with my buddies from then on.
Jumping in Elk's idea: If we're stuck with Universes Beyond anyway just make a universes beyond set that is just From Software universes collapsing onto each other (like in Dark Souls 3's lore). You can make it Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodbourne and Elden Ring, but I would also like Sekiro and maybe just a little bit of Armored Core (not even going that deep, maybe just some Mechs as big artifact creatures).
On the Fog question, I have a funny story about it:
There was a turn where someone swung out at me in the game with all of their creatures (a bunch of scute swarms), but I fogged the damage. However, because he had some many creatures attacking me, he ended up losing because he decked himself out on his endstep unintentionally.
im a big fan of Pollen Lullaby if you win the clash their creatures also don't untap next turn :) In a multiplayer game you become a huge vulnerable target. You fog their craterhoof and freeze their army for an entire turn cycle on top of preventing the damage. Its soul crushing lol.
Tangle does this too. My favorite.
@@ameliaward7429 yea nice craterhoof bro lol
One Rule Zero deck I do like seeing is partnering the baby Urza and Mishra cards for a cool blue red artifact discard deck
Waiting for FF. 😊 i used to draw FF mtg cards when I was a kid
As someone that thinks Universes Beyond is a cool idea it being Standard is most certainly not. Having THREE in a year is ridiculous. That said, I am definitely buying into Final Fantasy.
Elk is so real for the Bloodborne callout! I would die for a Fromsoft x Magic crossover
Question Zone: When these Universes Beyond sets come into the game, what power level should the cards try to exist in? The less powerful it is, the more the theming is just an aesthetic choice, the more powerful it is, the more it'll sell and the greater the possibility of having another one ring situation. And if you'd like, you can separate your answer to the viewpoints of personal enjoyment and health of the game perspectives.
I really felt the part about Universes Beyond lmao like I do NOT like the Transformers cards at all and I expect the Spongebob ones elicit a bit of disgust, but like.. if they did a Bionicles UB I'd be literally screaming
Every day I get more incentive to just proxy all my decks
Do it everyone in my pod does, discuss with your group the power levels you are looking for and build accordingly. I couldn’t imagine paying more than a quarter for a piece of cardboard
i would say i'm "generic commander does generic thing" guy, i.e. so far ive built and played anowon rogue tribal (my fave), sygg river cutthroat (started with unblockable/rogue tribal, am just working towards more commander specific synergies at the moment), otrimi/surgeon mutate piles, tawnos beast tribal with a sprinkle of birds, giada angel tribal (request of my fiance) and am building an alania large spell-/otter-slinger deck.
cannot say im unhappy or anything, i love playing these decks and always use deck specific and only on-theme cards, cannot say i'd prefer to be more "unique", what i'm doing already does feel unique enough to me.
i do simply appreciate listening to other peoples' thought processes and preferences.
i always try to dodge the top 100 list like the plague and just try and go with something i know isnt as popular or broken as dragons, elves, zombies, jodah, etc.
tldr: if i submitted my anowon deck or w/e, you'd probably not like it :D?
A fog is a counterspell specifically for overrun effects
Question Zone: Do you bling out (I.E try to get all alt arts and foil treatments) your EDH decks? why or why not and if so which decks?
P.S. You both answered a question of mine in a previous week and recommended Zirilan of the Claw as a dragon typal commander as an alternative to Ur-Dragon. I love toolbox commanders and have always wanted to build dragons without building some silly five-colour value pile. so thank you, I am currently brewing this really cool commander I probably never would have found otherwise.
Silent arbiter is my unique out to a “fog effect” very effective to any wide deck especially if you have menace on the one attacker you declare
I'm with Elk - hate their upcoming plans for UB, but will betray all my values for Soulsborne Universes Beyond.
At least that fits with the aesthetic of Magic enough that people unfamiliar with the games wouldn't know the difference.
Question zone: what is the origin of finding your favorite color combo? For me personally as a red main, i discovered aurelia, exemplar of justice and now i consider myself a boros main etc
As a mirrodin die hard, its funny for me to read the complaints of UB doing to the mtg setting for others what new phyrexia did to me. I felt peoples pain, but since the only setting i really cared about in mtg already died I'm mostly sticking around for the UB stuff now.
A, I enjoy the fact you guys mentioned your "okay so look I hate UB but here's the exception" there's a lot of hate for ub and I feel this just helps temper it yk? Also, your so right about the cost of entry. I'm STILL saving to buy the energy pre con from mh3, and despite having currently 5 decks that are playable, I have MAYBE 1 that has NO "friends printed with a swamp back" proxies, and 3 are entirely proxies 100%!
I'd love to see a commander game between Mage, Elk, Snail, and either Deck Driver MTG or Power Budget TCG. Deck Driver makes similar content to Mage, Elk, and Snail geared towards a slightly higher power I would say. Power Budget TCG is just funny man. He makes budget commander meme esc style videos.
I love blessed respite, great card. Elk knows.
My question zone is this: would you play a commander format where there are no bans? Power nine, silver border cards, even custom cards. I've been mulling on this since the RC went away. A totally fan regulated format is what I'm imagining.
the ur dragon slander is 100% accurate XD
The issue is wizards can literally do whatever they want and I’m still gonna play magic I am so addicted lmao
i like the music in the opening, this podcast would go very hard with some soft punderphonics in the background the whole time
HOLY SHIT i did the same thing, my first deck i ever made was just turboramp omnath that just kept replaying omnath and keeping my mana pool and staring at them. i built it this year and it got me into magic the gathering
Question Zone: what are good ways to choose what instant and sorceries to include? I come from Yugioh, so I like repeatable effects, and instant/sorceries just dont do it for me. I have a high saturation of creatures, artifacts, and enchantments, since i just dont know what to choose.
I had a sixty card constructed deck, Jund Cascade, where I would swap out Living End with Enter the Dungeon to get some wacky multiplayer games. Super fun and most people didn't mind.
As someone who is a fan of most franchises that were brought over so far (dr who, warhammer, fantasy not 40k, assassins creed, fallout, dnd and lord of the rings), the only ones i think truly fit in with magic are lotr and dnd, since they are the "baseline" inspiration for most things fantasy already.
As a chronically casual player, the good news is that all the UB releases make magic like it was 10 years ago: only three sets a year. I fully plan to just ignore UB because it's not Magic, full stop. I don't care about the "collector value" of these sets.
The bad news is that we can fully expect UB to be the new norm for the rest of Magic's existence. Breaking up the Marvel IP into individual superheroes (an entire set around Spiderman??) basically guarantees this. Having to put up with The One Ring in almost every opponent's deck is annoying already, and I'm not exactly thrilled to have to go against every single UB chase card until the end of time.
They could literally print a Hollow Knight or Bloodborne set into Magic, and I would still not like that
Another upload! Yay!!
The LoTR set was the best Universes Beyond, fitting right into Magic's fantasy flavor. Assassin's Creed was also good- Magic does have some sets with historical flavor. Doctor Who and 40K push further away from the flavor of Magic, but they were printed into EDH, so they are not forced upon anyone while fans of those franchises can play with their favorite characters. Why are _Final Fantasy_ and _Spider-Man_ going directly into standard? (The answer is money)
Oh man, 3/3 Elk - BloodBorne - that would be amazing. But generally I don’t like UB, and think it should be “opt into.”
Question Zone : What cards have come out recently that you think are going to be eternal? I think cards like Withering Torment from DSK can slot into pretty much anything so i was wondering if you had your own new favorites
Ghostfire Slice is a good spell that deals 4 dmg and if an opp control a multicolor permanent, it costs R. It is pretty good.
Rmember when everybody was saying this would never happen after they announced the Walking Dead secret lair?
Congratulations, MtG has completely lost its identity. Now its just Pop-Culture Fight, the tcg. As someone whos been in MtG since Scourge, Im "universes beyond" disgusted with the state of the game.
If Elden Ring Universes Beyond ever gets announced I will be 100% on board so you're right I can't get too mad about Marvel 😭
30:50 Bro never played against Akroma's Will and it shows. It doesn't matter that you have a board, your opponen has double strike, indestructible, hexproof, lifelink, deathtouch etc. THE ONLY solution is fog.
Yeah I hate both sides of that equation 😂 fogs are deflating, Will is an insta win button
@@seanedgar164 an insta win button...that you need a pretty great board for. How DARE people play wincons?!
TrinketMage is like 1/5th the player he thinks he is. Pretty common among TH-camrs and wannabe influencers. Nitpicking Nerds are the same. Like "why am I listening to the advice of a girl who has been playing for like 3 years and her bf who has never played a competitive format?"
Question Zone:
What’s your opinion on taking advantage of partner or backgrounds to make weird pairs of commanders, and are there any partner/background pairs you think are especially cool?
Oh, that's interesting, the new rules are what I was originally taught years ago.
I play two "illegal" commanders. One is a Maelstrom Archangel deck, since I wanted to run 5 color tribal angels, and there are no 5 color angels that are legendary, and also an Okaun and Zndrsplt coin flip deck, and since they have the old 'partner ability' they technically can't be partner commanders.
Okaun and Zndrsplt are allowed to be in the command zone together. Wizards literally made a UR coin flip precon with them leading it...
that's great...you'd never get to play it in my town. Why bother building something that half the time people are gonna say "no" to? Just take the deck and put Kenrith the TCZ. Simple.
@@lracseroom8286 I play with the same 4 or 5 people and they don't care. Mtg is supposed to be fun idk.
@@seanedgar164 Oh I didn't realize that partner from battlebond was the same as the partner commanders, thanks for the info.
Best solution? Just make the UB cards mediocre. If they are middle of the road, and not meta defining then the people who play them will do so because they like the property, not to get advantage in game. Assassins Creed didn't shake up the meta, and yet for people like me they are a fun addition, and a theme for my decks.
Snail is time traveling rights now.
Elk you gotta build Elbrus if you like it. I love artifacts and I'm building "March of the Machines" without creatures for flavor, it's been a blast going through wacky artifacts to put in. Also no lattice cause that would be just wrong with people already agreeing to a rule 0 commander
Okay, love Mage and his takes, but fogs are pretty good. Always carry a fog. And actual fog is one mana. Actual 'Fog' is good.
Question Zone
A bit of a monkeys paw scenario for you. If casual players were to start moving from just commander into multiple formats, bringing a big boost to standard/modern/limited etc, and causes wizards to refocus on those formats primarily BUT, the price was that 50% or more of sets were Universes Beyond, would you take that deal?
"I am going to flash a Voltorb, tap it to crew The Titanic and sac it to blow your Sonic the Hedgehog then I go to attacks swing with The Titanic alongside my Jesse Pinkman which is equipped with Vega's Claws and a Cigarette so it triggers a special move. Second Main, I am going to tap a Castle Grayskull and sac these Dollar tokens in order to add one purple and cash five money to consume a Big Mac and gain 250 calories. Pass..."
Question Zone Question: Hey! You mentioned how elves can be really cool, but you're tired of elfball. I agree! Are there any elf commanders, or alternative ways to build some elf commanders that make elves more interesting? I like elves aesthetically and in a lot of different fantasy properties so I'd love to actually have fun with an elf deck.
Anyone else is free to comment cool ideas as well I'd love to hear them!
What do you do after the fog...
What do you do after the removal?
What do you do after the teferis prot?
What do you do after the heroic intervention?
What do you do after the cleaver concealment?
What do you do after yadda yadda yadda
i think that was a pretty bad take on fogs in general since you can apply the basic logic to every single combat interaction. or interaction in the game in general.
For teferi pro and heroic intervention those protect my board. So in this situation I have a board already and it gets saved from a board wipe. Obviously after that I would swing for damage. For has the life gain problem. Yes I can gain 10 life with a card to mitigate damage but after that they will swing for 10 and I’m back to square one
I'm ready for the SpongeBob lair. If we get a unique SpongeBob I'll probably buy that one lol
I run a fog in my Xenagos deck because I'm tapped out because I killed someone last turn and now need to protect myself for a turn so that I kill someone else the next turn.