@@timotmon exactly. Would be fucking stupid to just give scalpers the incentive to make money, when Nvidia can make it instead while lowering the resale market cost by lowering the amount of scalpers buying in due to the high price.
They read the room very well and then decided that they really don't care if a select group of enthousiasts hate them for it. They'll still make big bucks off the people that are buying literally anything at the moment.
Nvidia aren’t exactly swimming in cash though as they aren’t selling in large numbers and most products they sell at msrp.. they weren’t the ones profiteering off the supply deficit it is retailers and other scalpers. the numbers they are shipping are pathetic which isn’t exactly their fault as other manufacturers are also struggling to put out products. If it was just a nvidia problem the solution would be to buy amd as their cards are probably just as good at the moment but they don’t have any product at market either.. The 3080ti is overpriced though and if I could get a card at msrp it would be the 3080 or 6900 but since I can’t I will stick with my 1080ti.
@@snowuk1472 It's basic economics in regards to high demand + low supply = high price... They are not scalping anything. Merely just showing all these people, who believe Nvidia cares for the consumer more than their profit margins, that they need to wake up...
This entire launch is a slap in the face, but charging $1200 and not even giving you the 3 slot cooler of the 3090 feels like a slap in the face with a wet fish.
Nvidia has been slapping customers in the face for over a decade, people have been taking it and allowing for such a behaviour, it will only get worse. I on the other hand don't care what Nvidia does, since they have been dead to me since 2018 and not only because of that, many other reasons too
@@HotdogNoire IIRC, only the 3090 has really major VRAM temp issues because the GDDR6X modules are on both sides of the PCB, and the backplate isn't good enough to cool the rear side modules. But ya, the FE cooler isn't great for VRAM compared to pretty much all the AIB cards.
@Pietro Figura No the biggest disappointment is the 1080p and 1440p performance of Ampere cards compared to RDNA2 cards, because very few people play using 4K monitor in 2021.
The market determines the price but they could be manipulating supply. What gets me is why people aren't questioning these shortage claims instead of just chalking it up to miners. They are lying about shortages on other products so what would stop them from doing the same with gpu's & microchips? If you owned Nvidia & knew people were gonna be forced to stay home in front of there computers wouldn't you increase production? I know for a fact in America 70-80% of company's were deemed essential & most people didn't miss much work at all.
@@wandameadows5736 You seem ignorant on the global scale how chips are manufactured. There are literally not enough high tech facilities to make these chips at this moment. They require hyper specialized machinery with a cleaner environment than a hospital. Not all is just about make more. The chip shortage is showing in almost every corner in tech right now. Heck even cars are starting to slow down in production because of the chip shortage.
@Eric why even bother to produce low end gpu when higher margin premium cards sold out immidiately. Looking at their persoective, they will maximize to cash in gamers who will scream at their lungs about no stock but will buy it immdiately if available.
It would acually be really funny if they release a titan. Imagine a +3000$ (msrp) with a 3% boost over 3090, lets not forget *out of stuck*, and scalpers sells it for +5000$ with a lovely 69$ shipping, and tax too.
My food is also out of stock and now I have nothing to eat even though I have a lot money. All food items are sold out everywhere and demand is very high while supplies are very low. What will do now? I feel very helpless. 😢😢😢😭😭
@@nathan47293 Why only us? Nvidia should mind it, they just ignore it and go increasing return in profits. Tho that's thanks to the situation, at least their 2000s cards got enough shit for the pricing, sadly it couldn't carry for these and they just kept the same prices with the excuse they did a little bit better with the performance jump than the last time they tried selling you 1080ti equivalents at double the price for an uncooked dlss and ray tracing in one tittle, to come.
@@nathan47293 The thing is... The 3080 and 3090 were so close in performance that it didn't warrant an in-between card in the first place. The 3090 should have just been priced the same as a psudeo 3080ti and the 3090 should have just not existed.
@@christopherallard1693 I agree, however what about the small percentage of people who want the absolute best of the best from Nvidia and money is not an object? That's what the 3090 is. The 3080 was meant to be a great value flagship card
@@sharki9876 Both AMD and NVidia have high prices. The 3080 ti should be lower in price but it is the fastest. The 3090 is more than a gamer card. AMD's cards are not really faster and have high prices.
but the masses cried for Ti's, companies 2021 doesnt produce what they consider good products, they produce what they think people want. they DGAF about anything else than $$$
@@h0rk3d I don't think I've read, seen or heard a single person ever cry out for a 3080ti. Not one. People didn't cry out for any ti's. The entire lineup is just botched.
You're right. The problem is that they love to brag that they're here for the gamers. Yet go look at Steam and you will see that none of the newer GPUs can even get to %1 of customer use. That's the problem.
@@adriancioroianu1704 the problem for gamers....I mean that's what we are talking about here. Nvidia misleads and lies that they are "for the gamers". Seemed pretty evident to me.
@@adriancioroianu1704 wow. "Not essential goods". What a diluted thing to say. Why are you even following this channel. Just go join an Nvidia fan page already man.
@@0Ahmed0 It's a gamble. Don't you remember the first crypto crash with all the warehouses full of Pascal and Polaris cards. You could have asked the same - "what are these cards for"? You can never tell when the crypto bull run starts and when it ends.
Who is this card meant to serve? If I'm in the market for a $1200 card, I'm in the market for a $1500 card with a better cooler and double the VRAM. Assuming the market was normal and MSRP's weren't fake, you'd be a fool not to either step down to the 3080 for nearly half the cost, or spend an extra 20% for the 3090.
@@DrearierSpider1 With these cards selling for 2x msrp the difference between the 3080ti and 3090 is $600. Enough money to rethink if you need the 24 GB vram.
Honestly, MSRP to MSRP, might as well spend the extra on a 3090. It's already expensive at $1200. Might as well get the 3090 if you're after a high end GeForce unless cost is a big factor...though if that's the case, why would you be looking at $1000+ GPUs...
Or save 200 bucks and get a 6900xt. Based on those benchmarks It seems like both those cards as expensive as they are just make more sense than the 3080ti. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't buy any of the 3 of them but the only one that is approaching an acceptable value is the 6900xt imo.
@@watariovids1645 TBH, if I were to get a 6900XT, I'd just go and grab a high-quality AIB 6800XT. The 6900XT just doesn't really live up to its price tag IMO. The 3090 very barely does, only due to its Tensor cores and other hardware.
@@watariovids1645 If that's the case, why not save $350 and get the 6800 XT? Lol. Not a single card above or around $1000 is genuinely necessary for most people. Only the 3090 makes any sense due to it simply being the best of any GPU at this time.
@@GENKI_INU Ironically I did last week when i got an AMD.com drop. Obviously a 6900xt is not good value compared to a 6800xt or 3080 but it's the only one of the Halo cards that's not completely outrageous in comparison to those two cards for how much of a performance bump it is, it's more in line with what would have been expected previous gens from a very top enthusiast bad value sku.
The GPU market is completely crazy right now. I’m an avid PC gamer since the 90’s but no way I’ll be paying that much for a graphic card. It makes no sense. I quit. I prefer to put my hard earned money on something more meaningful.
AMD wins in rasterization at 1440p and below. Nvidia wins in rasterization above that and the gap widens in Nvidia's favour if the game supports ray tracing which is a smaller performance hit for Nvidia and DLSS which only Nvidia can use.
@@HeloisGevit So pretty much a win for everyone except the 4K $1000+ owners. If call that a result. Shame even AMD's prices are sky high at the moment.
Don't forget about fine wine and Nvidia knowing for gimping their GPUs performance!! After 1 year 6800XT will smoke 3080 because 10GB vram won't cut out in for future games! AMD rules this time!! Remember 290x vs 780ti scenario? This is happening again except this time AMD got better driver than before!!
@@md.iftekharhossainrifat2381 "Nvidia knowing for gimping their GPUs performance" That theory was proven to be untrue by this very channel. It just looks like they're gimping because AMD improves so much more over time.
@@redrock425 I'd give the win to Nvidia actually. Even at 1080p or 1440p, if you want to enable ray tracing or the game has DLSS support, it's a win for Nvidia. That means the majority of modern and future titles are Nvidia favoured for this gen of cards. AMD is better if you have a 240hz or 360hz monitor and play esports titles that don't support DLSS, which is the majority of them at present. Then AMD will deliver higher frames for that competitive edge. This is a niche use case however.
There are times to buy and times not to. At the moment neither gpu manufacturers products are at a price that makes them value for money unless you are desperate.
Especially for people with good 1440p monitors who know they aren't going to 4K any time soon... But I think I'll still stand my ground and wait for the 6800XTs to become more available. The key word being "think"....
@@adriancioroianu1704 performance/memory/temperature/power to money. AMD can be OC quite nicely. Nvidia higher models are overpriced and 3800 with 10GB is joke. 1080ti had more.
The great reset is resetting also the gpu prices. they will be so expensive, no one will be able to afford one, only the big corps will buy those cards, for their AI and cloud gaming services. so the end of pc gaming is not far away. gaming will be cloud based for most people. i predict even the consoles will disappear at some point.
@@lordhades9455 Whilst not all "great reset" types believe in Qanon etc, it seems all Qanon types do believe in great reset. Great reset only came into the common dialogue because of them. And every time I've asked for evidence of this plan that an evil global cabal kindly openly published to the internet it was not as compelling as it's made out to be.
too bad nobody would buy it even if the GPU market was normal. (wouldn't blame anyone for skipping Fury, Vega 64?, Radeon 7 btw, those series of cards all sucked ass and Pascal was at least priced pretty well at the time) The Nvidia Kool-Aide too stronk.
@@jaywelker5566 none of them are bad high end cards especially for the right price. There is a difference between computer enthusiasts and brand loyal fan boys. I don't doubt you mean well, just please try to do a little more research before making a claim intended to start a fight.
@@magnomliman8114 okay, I'll humor you, how do amd cards suck any more ass than nvidia cards when there is no vacuum port for sucking!? Stop. misappropriating. your graphical processing unit! (Get the reference? Lol) Also, how did you pull 1080p out of your ass ma dude? You're making a number of assumptions I'd recommend giving a second thought to before doubling down on any of them.
@@magnomliman8114 Are you honestly saying that the only reason to buy a 6000 series card is for 1080p gaming? Honestly? Just leave this overly provocative nonsense out please
I think you are the only TH-camrs that implements an 'Average Performance' section based on multiple (in your case 12) games. I don't know why other TH-camrs don't do this because I think it's one of the most important benchmarks and I'm glad you're doing it
Release 4080's will be £1000+, and you just won't get one, plus they will be PCIe 4/5, not that you'll see much of a benefit. Add to that DDR5 demands, which intel will dominate . No, the world shortage of wafer/components, water shortage, scalping and stock monopolizing will make it worse than it already is.
I'm laughing at the fact that y'all had it all along. I had no idea this morning was an embargo morning. They had JUST announced it. Not that it matters anyway. Nobody can get it.
@@loganwolv3393 Whether or not you deem the price to be acceptable doesn't really matter. These will sell out. Therefore the market deems the price acceptable.
@@bencarter5563 Yeah, i know. At this point the "you can't tell me what to buy" argument is more and more silly. We should tell people what to buy, so they don't contribute to price gouging... Like in a way i understand that everybody has their choice but making obvious bad choices screwing both yourself and others is simply not very logical nor moral. Especially to these that upgrade their GPU's every generation.
@@bencarter5563 Unfortunately, too many people just have too much money and they don't think twice before buying outrageous piece of overpriced shit Nvidia products are...
@@chillnspace777 I see plenty of 3080's for about $4000 here in Russia. Fun fact: average Russian can afford this after 8-10 months of work. If you don't count food, rent etc.
Oh noes, how will you live such a terrible existence... There are guys out there that literally have brand new builds sitting unfinished for months on end because they can't get a GPU, or relying on Intel integrated graphics because their 9/10-series GPU have gone pop and they are out of warranty.
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@Michael Garcia fsr will only support gtx graphic cards and you already have dlss then why do you need fsr?
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@@gabbypalang what?it will only support Pascal coz Turing and amphere already have dlss omg such foolish humans.
i just bought a 6800 xt for $1549 and its honestly a better card than the 3080 when considering the price. Still overpriced for a card, but no where near the overpriced 3080 and ti
@@jamesa1995 yikes $1549? I got a 6800 xT gaming x trio for $1379 but I return it at my microcenter only to get Rtx 3080 ftw 3 for $500 less. So yeah switching back to Nvidia. Both cards are great but it really depends on what game you're playing. But $1549 for 6800 xT sounds like a scalper price to me. That literally 2x the MSRP $649.
If only the tech reviewers would include VR titles in the benchmarks. We would see a bigger performance jump. Top-of-the-line $1200 cards running 25fps in VR should be embarrassing.
See the thing about the 3080 Ti is this: yes I get it, it's very expensive and you can call me a fool for buying the TUF Gaming OC version of it. However, it really shouldn't be compared to a regular 3080. It is about 10% faster than a 3080 on average for 70% more money. That is a stupidly, hilariously horrible deal, yes. However, it starts to make more sense when you compare it to the 3090. At best, it's 2% slower than the 3090, yet it is 20% cheaper and has half the VRAM. The 3090 is good for gaming, but it's designed for so much more. If all you do is gaming, and you want the best gaming performance and can afford it, by all means you should sacrifice that UNNOTICABLE 2% performance from the 3090 and step down to a 3080 Ti. However, if you also do creative stuff like video editing, encoding, blender, 3D Modelling etc. then the 3090 is the card for you. Do not get a 3090 if all you do is gaming as it is a total waste of money and it's 20% more expensive than the 3080 Ti which, again, is only 2% slower. So do you really want to pay 20% more for 2% gain? I didn't think so. The 3090 does much, much better in these 3D modelling, video editing etc applications than the 3080 Ti. So, instead of comparing the 3080 Ti to the 3080, compare it to the 3090 and it makes a bit more sense. Of course, most people will buy the vastly more affordable 3070, as even the 3080 is pretty crazy expensive compared to the 3070. I do not support Nvidia with its price gouging, by the way, I'm just giving my 2 cents, and it can't be said that I'm totally wrong. TL;DR: RTX 3080, 3080 Ti and 3090 are all stupidly expensive. The 3080 has the power to SOMEWHAT justify its price, while the 3090 is excellent for those who do more than just gaming. So instead of comparing the 3080 Ti to the 3080, compare it to the 3090 which is 2% better and 20% more expensive. For the best gaming results IF YOU CAN AFFORD, get a 3080 Ti instead of a 3090 if all you do is gaming, as you're spending 20% LESS for basically the same performance. Again, I do not support what Nvidia is doing to us, this is pretty much robbery.
A lot of people are using the excuse that the 2080ti released at $1,199. But these people are forgetting the 1080ti (just one generation before the 2080ti) was $699 at release. Yes there are RT cores added to the 2080ti and the 3080ti vs the 1080ti. But the cost of parts and cost to manufacture for Nvidia is not far off what the 1080ti cards were.
Depends on who you are, just because you have no need for one doesn't mean someone else can't use it. I'm sure it's a good card for gaming and someone could use it. Just because a tech reviewer from GN says something "is a waste of sand" doesn't mean jack shit. I still bought a 3090 for gaming myself. But those idiots and these idiots would have you believe those GPU's are not good cards 🖕. I've been using a 3090 for 5 months for gaming and it's a great experience playing games. So saying a 3080Ti or 3090 are not good cards and they are wastes of sand is bullshit. Fuck GN. I hate them.
Maybe in raw performance, but AMD lacks DLSS, Nvenc, Nvidia Broadcast features (mic noise removal, cam background blur and removal, etc), and still has worse ray tracing performance by a lot.
As steve said, the games that radeon perform badly in were developed with nvidea hardware in mind. Games that are developed for both like resident evil village will show a much smaller difference. Also i'm not sure if you've watched any news so far but Super resolution is coming out very soon. If you buy a gaming graphics card to use your webcam for office meetings or you stream for your single digit viewers, go ahead and buy a nvidea card i guess...
@@KG-kp3le I hang out in discord with my guild and others... Them not hearing my fan in the back ground is a huge plus. I stream sometimes, and yes... I do have only a few viewers usually. Even if I had nobody watching, I want to give any potential newcomers/ friends the best experience.
@@qwertymonsta Fair enough, if those are your needs it's a plus. Although are the software based noise suppression techniques besides nvidea's not good enough?
@@qwertymonsta "AMD Lacks DLSS"... No they don't, and their version will work across both companies cards... On past Nvidia generations not supported by Nvidia itself. AMD just killed DLSS, read the news more.
Still tempted to get one of these second hand. The 4070 Super's MSRP is a little higher than the price of a used 3080 Ti right now in the UK and the second hand pricing might go down a little when the supers are released into the wild.
@@mvp4lithuania Atleast they'll have some stock. Nd they not gonna decrease much of that. All they want is money so yeah they are gonna pump more in it 😂
I guess this thing's value depends on how you look at it. If you consider it a slightly cut down 3090 with less vram for $300 less, it's a good relative value in that sense. My guess is that NVidia figured out that most of the rejected silicon from the 3090 was only very slightly off the mark, and they could fill a niche and sigificantly raise prices. Now, here's the kicker: I don't think the price change at MSRP won't affect consumers in the slightest. What it will do is change who's pockets gets the biggest part of the inflated retail prices. NVidia will be making more for the same silicon, and the board partners will pass that on to their distributors. So the distributors and end retailers will make less. The near $2000 current market retail for a 3080 (or more for a 3090) won't change as a result of this part coming to market. In fact, you may end up getting the Ti model for the same over inflated prices as the non Ti, just because there isn't any market headroom to charge more. Of course, if NVidia is coming to market with a metric sh-tton of these cards, they could rock the entire market. It's in their interest to drive retail prices back down closer to MSRP, as consumers will be "happy" to only get screwed out of a few hundred more dollars instead of $1000 or more on top.
Set the fan speed in MSI afterburner to 85 percent at 60 degrees C and the Suprim X will max out around 66. Don't use the stock fan speeds on a high end MSI GPU.
to be honest after seeing the price of the 3080ti and all the price hikes of every single cards im nore than fine with my 3090 that i bought for 1499 msrp
You know it was Linus who bashed Nvidia the hardest when they tried to blacklist Hardware Unboxed. And it wasn't long after that when Nvidia sent their apology letter...
@@0xszander0 he reviewed the card against the 3090 not the 3080. They also created the video prior to knowing the pricing. If you know anything about ltt's work schedule you would understand that it's not an easy thing for them to do same day videos. As their channel gets bigger and they have more projects it's harder to be as responsive. Right now they are doing 17 videos a week. That's a pretty tight schedule. Whether you view this either positively or negatively is up to you. He did have a cut in stating that he wasn't impressed with the price. And I'm sure he'll elaborate on it more probably during the wan show. But at the same time look at this from nvidia's point of view. Why should they release it at a lower price if it's just going to sell out instantaneously anyway? And in many cases to scalpers who will just profit off of it even more. If I'm on the board or a shareholder I'm going to want the company to make as much money as possible. Also as of note: Nvidia doesn't have an unlimited supply of wafers or memory, so they're basically taking advantage of the demand and using what wafer supply they have to its fullest potential. You (We) may not like it because of the high prices, but that is the law of supply and demand. Once the demand starts dropping the prices will start dropping. AMD is going through the same thing. Only in some ways they have it worse because they have to supply graphics card CPUs and console chips. And they are getting their raw materials from tsmc who is already tapped out....
@@chadbizeau5997I know exactly it had to do with scheduling. Still really strange to me to see so many people trying their best to reason as to why Linus's video is okay anyway. It's just not. The job of a reviewer should be evaluating the price to performance. All the other channels managed to do this. Linus did not, possibly because he shot the video too soon. That was a mistake, simple as that. I'm not going to argue the other points you are making for a entirely seperate discussion in a comment section. (Wether or not the release was good seperated from pricing)
@@0xszander0 I actually don't disagree with you. I think Linus and his crew are actually decent people I don't believe they are shills. But at the same time I do agree that they should have waited for pricing for the final review. Or at least had a cut in that was more than just an emote.
Sadly this sort of thing is also being mirrored in the automotive market. ( at least in the USA ) . Most of the manufactures have abandoned production of the entry level vehicles in favor of producing the high end at lower volume. This effectively re-positioned PC gaming from being a recreation, to being what would be termed in finance as a "Luxury expense."
Nvidia and Jensen is that mega awkward rich uncle at a family gathering who is socially detached from reality because their insane wealth stripped them of humanity and the ability to relate to any other person and their struggles
Makes the 6900xt look like a good deal. It beats the 3080ti and 3090 in most things and the prices are not ridiculously inflated unlike nvidia products atm. Here in the uk they are selling on ebay for around £1300-£1600 where the 3080's are around £1500+ and the 3090 are £2000+.
I’m glad at least a certain retailer in Australia is selling 6800 XT (Asrock Phantom Gaming) for $1699 when in stock. Still more then double what I paid for my 5600 XT 8 months ago!
@@oussamabouyarmane2166 Do you know where to buy those cards for MSRP? Dumb F**k. It doesn't matter what the msrp is, these cards are 2-3 times more expensive on the market.
The best I've read about the 3080 Tie is that it actually does have a good increase in fully path-traced games like Minecraft RTX or Q2 RTX. So once actual games that are fully path-traced launch... it will be totally outdated.
Pricing in Japan varies hugely between AIBs. A Palit 3080 Ti was selling for 1600 USD whereas a MSI Suprim is selling for 2200 USD. 600 USD difference between basically the same card?!?
He got all the 3080tis in Australia, poor Aussies.
aussies in the gpu crisis for over half a year (like everyone else probably): oh no, anyway
Ha techyes has one too.
I'm pretty sure this dude lives in Texas,no?
And most US Tech TH-camrs are...Texans...
@@royaltyallen1162 🤔 No, like Steve & Tim have said many many times they live in Victoria Australia
Nvidia be like: "We cut the middle man now, and become the scalpers ourselves."
I'll take their entire stock! In my area, a 3080 range from 2k$ to 3k$. 3090's going for 4.5k$.
They might as well make money on their own product.. who's a bigger dirtbag? Nvidia or the scalper?
@@timotmon exactly. Would be fucking stupid to just give scalpers the incentive to make money, when Nvidia can make it instead while lowering the resale market cost by lowering the amount of scalpers buying in due to the high price.
They did that right from the Start with 3000 here in Australia, as Founders on their own Web Shop were the same price as Retail RRP + Shipping
@@60fpspeasant84 "I'll take their entire stock! In my area," so you get none 🙄
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Ti more like Tee Why
Jarrod why are you always here
'Totally Irellevant'
Best itx case with best airflow please
Fire!
3080 TIE
I think "refuses to read the room' is a more accurate title
They read the room very well and then decided that they really don't care if a select group of enthousiasts hate them for it.
They'll still make big bucks off the people that are buying literally anything at the moment.
"I can't hear you over all the money I'm swimming in" - nVidia
Sorry this money printer we have is drowning your voice -- also nvidia
Thank God those f****** an Nvidia have to live with inflation too
Or in Homer Simpson style: "You'll have to speak up, I'm swimming in cash"
Nvidia aren’t exactly swimming in cash though as they aren’t selling in large numbers and most products they sell at msrp.. they weren’t the ones profiteering off the supply deficit it is retailers and other scalpers.
the numbers they are shipping are pathetic which isn’t exactly their fault as other manufacturers are also struggling to put out products.
If it was just a nvidia problem the solution would be to buy amd as their cards are probably just as good at the moment but they don’t have any product at market either..
The 3080ti is overpriced though and if I could get a card at msrp it would be the 3080 or 6900 but since I can’t I will stick with my 1080ti.
Enough to make Scrooge McDuck jealous. LOL
They’ve read the room just fine. These are calculated decisions.
they have just become the scalper
@@snowuk1472 It's basic economics in regards to high demand + low supply = high price...
They are not scalping anything. Merely just showing all these people, who believe Nvidia cares for the consumer more than their profit margins, that they need to wake up...
@@francois7487 Not by releasing cards that are pointless for the consumer.
@@Danny_On_Wheels44 they will get bought though
@@Danny_On_Wheels44 I like mine
This entire launch is a slap in the face, but charging $1200 and not even giving you the 3 slot cooler of the 3090 feels like a slap in the face with a wet fish.
For sure, that cooler is something else, best air cooler I've seen.
@Pietro Figura This is very true, my 3090 already uses 12gb of vram on some games at 4K and we are only in 2021! the 3090 makes the most sense here.
Nvidia has been slapping customers in the face for over a decade, people have been taking it and allowing for such a behaviour, it will only get worse. I on the other hand don't care what Nvidia does, since they have been dead to me since 2018 and not only because of that, many other reasons too
@@HotdogNoire IIRC, only the 3090 has really major VRAM temp issues because the GDDR6X modules are on both sides of the PCB, and the backplate isn't good enough to cool the rear side modules. But ya, the FE cooler isn't great for VRAM compared to pretty much all the AIB cards.
@Pietro Figura No the biggest disappointment is the 1080p and 1440p performance of Ampere cards compared to RDNA2 cards, because very few people play using 4K monitor in 2021.
More like Nvidia successfully read the room and took advantage of it.
How come?
@@raulsantos6394 they are now the scalper. Cut the middleman out.
Somebody ubderstands hows this works.
That is pretty much what you have to do in a free market economy.
@@holgerd5242 Free markets make companies immoral?
Nvidia: "You thought the 3060 was overpriced??? HOO BOY..."
The market determines the price but they could be manipulating supply. What gets me is why people aren't questioning these shortage claims instead of just chalking it up to miners. They are lying about shortages on other products so what would stop them from doing the same with gpu's & microchips? If you owned Nvidia & knew people were gonna be forced to stay home in front of there computers wouldn't you increase production? I know for a fact in America 70-80% of company's were deemed essential & most people didn't miss much work at all.
@@wandameadows5736 You seem ignorant on the global scale how chips are manufactured. There are literally not enough high tech facilities to make these chips at this moment. They require hyper specialized machinery with a cleaner environment than a hospital.
Not all is just about make more. The chip shortage is showing in almost every corner in tech right now. Heck even cars are starting to slow down in production because of the chip shortage.
@Eric why even bother to produce low end gpu when higher margin premium cards sold out immidiately. Looking at their persoective, they will maximize to cash in gamers who will scream at their lungs about no stock but will buy it immdiately if available.
I mean, the 3060 has as much vram as a 3080 ti so it's not really *that* bad.
Hey guys we have a chip silicon shortage but let's make and launch new gpu every years.... that's makes sense.. 🤣
9% faster at 4k, but 71% more expensive than a 3080.
Worst xx80ti card ever, into the trash it goes.
2080ti was kinda bad for the price also. But RTX was new at the time so it gets a pass.
@@icecoldkv8005 It was, but at least it had a bigger performance jump over the 2080 than the 3080ti has over the 3080.
Wait, are you saying there's diminishing returns as tech advances?
Nuh uh, impossible.
3080 is basiclly unattainable so it only makes sense in the time we are living and if it stays this way months or a year later.
@@absurdh3ro I opted for a 3070 instead, about half the price of 3080's and only about 30% slower.
Nvidia: "Who needs a TITAN if all of them costs as much as a TITAN." **Taps head**
It would acually be really funny if they release a titan. Imagine a +3000$ (msrp) with a 3% boost over 3090, lets not forget *out of stuck*, and scalpers sells it for +5000$ with a lovely 69$ shipping, and tax too.
Titans are 1999usd
Just you wait. Give em 3 months and they'll release a Titan for $3000
@@Gaijin101 the rtx titan was 2500.00
Haven't you heard, the 3090 is a Titan.... just ask Jim at Adored tv
Gpu's: out of stock
Fishing reels: out of stock
Bye hobbies 🙋♂️
Serious about the fish reels? And I was already a bit surprised about bike and bike part shortages...
My food is also out of stock and now I have nothing to eat even though I have a lot money. All food items are sold out everywhere and demand is very high while supplies are very low. What will do now? I feel very helpless. 😢😢😢😭😭
@@atisbasak Are you okay?
10% more performance for 72% more money… yep sounds like an Nvidia product
Well yes but also keep in mind the law of diminishing returns
@@nathan47293 Why only us? Nvidia should mind it, they just ignore it and go increasing return in profits. Tho that's thanks to the situation, at least their 2000s cards got enough shit for the pricing, sadly it couldn't carry for these and they just kept the same prices with the excuse they did a little bit better with the performance jump than the last time they tried selling you 1080ti equivalents at double the price for an uncooked dlss and ray tracing in one tittle, to come.
@@nathan47293 The thing is... The 3080 and 3090 were so close in performance that it didn't warrant an in-between card in the first place. The 3090 should have just been priced the same as a psudeo 3080ti and the 3090 should have just not existed.
@@christopherallard1693 I agree, however what about the small percentage of people who want the absolute best of the best from Nvidia and money is not an object? That's what the 3090 is. The 3080 was meant to be a great value flagship card
Compare it with 3090.
Q: Where can I get one?
A: Out of stock.
Q: How much on ebay?
A: You don't wanna know.
I am still waiting on the RTX 3080, its going to be EoL as the RTX 3080 ti gets released.
in no universe would i be so dumb that i bought one on ebay. i would rather quit gaming
@@GodKitty677 q: is it even worth it at MSRP?
a: nah
@@sharki9876 Both AMD and NVidia have high prices. The 3080 ti should be lower in price but it is the fastest. The 3090 is more than a gamer card. AMD's cards are not really faster and have high prices.
GTX 1080ti = 1080 + 35%
RTX 3080ti = 3080 + 5%
1/7 of the increase in preformance for 6 times the increase in price
Nvidia©
Thats why I got 3080, 3080 ti is just waste of money
@@4epa1012 3080ti is coming out tomorrow lol
@@iCore7Gaming and it's trash in value compared to a 3080
@@iCore7Gaming Yeh I know, I meant I didn't wait for 3080 ti, instead took 3080, game over
Bro these 6800 XT benchmarks are amazing!
yeh, my Sapphire 6800xt Nitro is awesome :)
@@ThatNorma sapphire makes the absolute best AMD Radeon cards. my current soon to be replaced with an RTX 3080 Ti pc has a sapphire nitro r9 380
@@p0tat0o indeed they do. My 580 strix also worked very well during its lifetime but sapphire cards are simply beasts :)
Destruction of the "Ti" branding.
the 3090 killed the Ti
@@h0rk3d the 3090 is the ti:)
but the masses cried for Ti's, companies 2021 doesnt produce what they consider good products, they produce what they think people want. they DGAF about anything else than $$$
@@h0rk3d I don't think I've read, seen or heard a single person ever cry out for a 3080ti. Not one. People didn't cry out for any ti's. The entire lineup is just botched.
The RTX 3060Ti is the only impressive Ti card in the 3000 series GPUs
Scalpers: "PRICE GOUGE!!"
Nvidia: "Hold my beer."
2080Ti sold, 3090 sold and this will sell no problem...and nvidia knows this.
You're right. The problem is that they love to brag that they're here for the gamers. Yet go look at Steam and you will see that none of the newer GPUs can even get to %1 of customer use. That's the problem.
@@adriancioroianu1704 for those who are looking to upgrade and stuck with hardware from 2 or more generations ago !
@@adriancioroianu1704 the problem for gamers....I mean that's what we are talking about here. Nvidia misleads and lies that they are "for the gamers". Seemed pretty evident to me.
@@adriancioroianu1704 wow. "Not essential goods". What a diluted thing to say. Why are you even following this channel. Just go join an Nvidia fan page already man.
www.newegg.ca/zotac-geforce-rtx-3080-zt-a3080f-10p/p/N82E16814500513?Description=3080&cm_re=3080-_-9SIADGED029465-_-Product
Retailer advertising these in Australia for more than $3000 - rip-off!
Looks like Jensen’s cashing in one last before the mining boom crashes.
Is it crashing?
Yeah true
Are you dumb if thats true then whats LHR for?
Let's hope so
@@0Ahmed0 It's a gamble.
Don't you remember the first crypto crash with all the warehouses full of Pascal and Polaris cards.
You could have asked the same - "what are these cards for"?
You can never tell when the crypto bull run starts and when it ends.
the RX 6900 XT is a beast!
Who is this card meant to serve? If I'm in the market for a $1200 card, I'm in the market for a $1500 card with a better cooler and double the VRAM. Assuming the market was normal and MSRP's weren't fake, you'd be a fool not to either step down to the 3080 for nearly half the cost, or spend an extra 20% for the 3090.
*laughs* $1200, $1500! No way these cards will ever be bought for those prices in 2021
Yep. This gpu will just be left rotting on shelves.
@@iCore7Gaming Haha nope. People will buy whatever GPU they can get their hands on. Just because it _should_ rot on the shelf doesn't mean it _will._
@@DrearierSpider1 With these cards selling for 2x msrp the difference between the 3080ti and 3090 is $600. Enough money to rethink if you need the 24 GB vram.
@@DrearierSpider1 You have to be insane to buy a 3080ti when you could just get a 3090
This is like nvidia begging me to Buy a console and not a gaming PC
loved the review just the harsh truth not licking nvdia's butt like some other channels gj man
You haven't seen GN video, I recommend.
@@criticscooby loved it :D
I was disappointed in Linus, he was very positive about the 3080 ti.
@@jsporish once a shill, always a shill
@@jsporish That's just how that channel is, it's an entertainment channel; they can't be trusted for an impartial honest review/critique.
I sure do miss the old days of being able to buy a top of the line GPU for under a K......... And of course being in-stock.
Nvidia launches more non existent GPUs for miners and scalpers
What's new
Remember when you could get an amazing gaming pc for 1200$. I miss those time 🤧.
Like 10 years ago. I remember building a solid midrange rig for $800. Now that's "low end"
Honestly, MSRP to MSRP, might as well spend the extra on a 3090.
It's already expensive at $1200. Might as well get the 3090 if you're after a high end GeForce unless cost is a big factor...though if that's the case, why would you be looking at $1000+ GPUs...
Or save 200 bucks and get a 6900xt. Based on those benchmarks It seems like both those cards as expensive as they are just make more sense than the 3080ti. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't buy any of the 3 of them but the only one that is approaching an acceptable value is the 6900xt imo.
@@watariovids1645 TBH, if I were to get a 6900XT, I'd just go and grab a high-quality AIB 6800XT. The 6900XT just doesn't really live up to its price tag IMO.
The 3090 very barely does, only due to its Tensor cores and other hardware.
@@watariovids1645 If that's the case, why not save $350 and get the 6800 XT? Lol. Not a single card above or around $1000 is genuinely necessary for most people. Only the 3090 makes any sense due to it simply being the best of any GPU at this time.
@@excalibur3311 Imagine getting a 6800XT for under or around $1000
@@GENKI_INU Ironically I did last week when i got an AMD.com drop. Obviously a 6900xt is not good value compared to a 6800xt or 3080 but it's the only one of the Halo cards that's not completely outrageous in comparison to those two cards for how much of a performance bump it is, it's more in line with what would have been expected previous gens from a very top enthusiast bad value sku.
The GPU market is completely crazy right now. I’m an avid PC gamer since the 90’s but no way I’ll be paying that much for a graphic card. It makes no sense. I quit. I prefer to put my hard earned money on something more meaningful.
ok m8
@@warrencoulis4958
He's right. There's plenty of better ways to spend cash. This current situation, scalpers etc. is beyond stupid.
Yep. Skipping 3 generations until prices get real.
@@Kridian01 my 980 cries rn :(
I quit too, at least for now. Let the miners and scalper have it.
Surprised how competitive the 6800XT is 😯
AMD wins in rasterization at 1440p and below. Nvidia wins in rasterization above that and the gap widens in Nvidia's favour if the game supports ray tracing which is a smaller performance hit for Nvidia and DLSS which only Nvidia can use.
@@HeloisGevit So pretty much a win for everyone except the 4K $1000+ owners. If call that a result. Shame even AMD's prices are sky high at the moment.
Don't forget about fine wine and Nvidia knowing for gimping their GPUs performance!! After 1 year 6800XT will smoke 3080 because 10GB vram won't cut out in for future games! AMD rules this time!! Remember 290x vs 780ti scenario? This is happening again except this time AMD got better driver than before!!
@@md.iftekharhossainrifat2381 "Nvidia knowing for gimping their GPUs performance" That theory was proven to be untrue by this very channel. It just looks like they're gimping because AMD improves so much more over time.
@@redrock425 I'd give the win to Nvidia actually. Even at 1080p or 1440p, if you want to enable ray tracing or the game has DLSS support, it's a win for Nvidia. That means the majority of modern and future titles are Nvidia favoured for this gen of cards.
AMD is better if you have a 240hz or 360hz monitor and play esports titles that don't support DLSS, which is the majority of them at present. Then AMD will deliver higher frames for that competitive edge. This is a niche use case however.
waiting for the 6900XT Toxic Edition to come down in price. It will be deff. an 6900XT for me.
You might as well be waiting for Godot lol.
There are times to buy and times not to. At the moment neither gpu manufacturers products are at a price that makes them value for money unless you are desperate.
6900 xt looking good
Looking very good.
Especially for people with good 1440p monitors who know they aren't going to 4K any time soon... But I think I'll still stand my ground and wait for the 6800XTs to become more available. The key word being "think"....
Conclusion: I'm gonna buy a 6800 XT
This ^^
With the upcoming FideliFX update. AMD GPU is more alluring 😭
If you can find that also at a decent price and on stock... The 6800 xt is over 1.5k euros everywhere... :(
@@adriancioroianu1704 overpriced ? ehmm....6800xt seems to be best choice for your money.
@@adriancioroianu1704 performance/memory/temperature/power to money. AMD can be OC quite nicely. Nvidia higher models are overpriced and 3800 with 10GB is joke. 1080ti had more.
Time to check out of the whole GPU craziness. I'll check back in a few years.
“You will own nothing but you will be happy” -Klauss Schwabbs and his Corporate minions around the world.
The great reset is resetting also the gpu prices. they will be so expensive, no one will be able to afford one, only the big corps will buy those cards, for their AI and cloud gaming services. so the end of pc gaming is not far away. gaming will be cloud based for most people. i predict even the consoles will disappear at some point.
Good grief you Qanon people are more prolific with your cringe than bronies were.
@@headerahelix the great reset plan is like 40 years old mate..
@@headerahelix the great reset is not a Q conspiracy, never was, never will be.
It's an openly admitted gameplan by the WEF
@@lordhades9455 Whilst not all "great reset" types believe in Qanon etc, it seems all Qanon types do believe in great reset. Great reset only came into the common dialogue because of them. And every time I've asked for evidence of this plan that an evil global cabal kindly openly published to the internet it was not as compelling as it's made out to be.
T-Why are we still here, just to suffer?
i love that HU does commentary during the benchmarks rather than a simple slideshow with boring music
What I learned was that AMD 6000 is really impressive, thanks Nvidia
too bad nobody would buy it even if the GPU market was normal. (wouldn't blame anyone for skipping Fury, Vega 64?, Radeon 7 btw, those series of cards all sucked ass and Pascal was at least priced pretty well at the time)
The Nvidia Kool-Aide too stronk.
@@jaywelker5566 none of them are bad high end cards especially for the right price. There is a difference between computer enthusiasts and brand loyal fan boys. I don't doubt you mean well, just please try to do a little more research before making a claim intended to start a fight.
@@Bajicoy cute how you trying to make sense but no those cards sucked ass indeed. you well buy a 6000 amd cart for 1080p gaming? cool dude.
@@magnomliman8114 okay, I'll humor you, how do amd cards suck any more ass than nvidia cards when there is no vacuum port for sucking!? Stop. misappropriating. your graphical processing unit! (Get the reference? Lol)
Also, how did you pull 1080p out of your ass ma dude? You're making a number of assumptions I'd recommend giving a second thought to before doubling down on any of them.
@@magnomliman8114 Are you honestly saying that the only reason to buy a 6000 series card is for 1080p gaming? Honestly?
Just leave this overly provocative nonsense out please
I think you are the only TH-camrs that implements an 'Average Performance' section based on multiple (in your case 12) games. I don't know why other TH-camrs don't do this because I think it's one of the most important benchmarks and I'm glad you're doing it
Astronomical price?
Stock issues still not fixed?
Yeah i'd rather wait for the next generation at this point
dont be naive. covid era will last for at least 3 years more and these prices are good for everyone but gamer
next gen will be worse. you can bet on that.
Then you'll never get a GPU.
Release 4080's will be £1000+, and you just won't get one, plus they will be PCIe 4/5, not that you'll see much of a benefit. Add to that DDR5 demands, which intel will dominate . No, the world shortage of wafer/components, water shortage, scalping and stock monopolizing will make it worse than it already is.
Just wait the next gen to be 25% more expensive and 25% faster… Hurray… why no one is super happy? Picachu fase…
Remember when we made fun of the people who paid for 2080 ti's... good times
This is great news for the shareholders.
According to Nvidia.... It's not a T I
It's a TIE. Don't mix them up, please.
Stands for Titanium.
I'm laughing at the fact that y'all had it all along. I had no idea this morning was an embargo morning. They had JUST announced it. Not that it matters anyway. Nobody can get it.
Wrong. It dosen't matter because the price is unacceptable, no matter the market situation.
@@loganwolv3393 Whether or not you deem the price to be acceptable doesn't really matter. These will sell out. Therefore the market deems the price acceptable.
@@loganwolv3393 The market determines the price, unfortunately. We don't have to like it; we just have to accept it.
@@bencarter5563 Yeah, i know. At this point the "you can't tell me what to buy" argument is more and more silly. We should tell people what to buy, so they don't contribute to price gouging... Like in a way i understand that everybody has their choice but making obvious bad choices screwing both yourself and others is simply not very logical nor moral. Especially to these that upgrade their GPU's every generation.
@@bencarter5563 Unfortunately, too many people just have too much money and they don't think twice before buying outrageous piece of overpriced shit Nvidia products are...
Thank you, Steve! I love your editorial direction.
nvidia released these cards to keep shareholders happy while giving the finger to gamers
nvidia can price the card for peanuts we gamer not going to get it anyway.
@@justwords3882 except "we" did. That's why NVidia is still pulling this crap.
@@canaconn2388 and we still are dec2021
Couldn't remember why I unsubscribed then the section asking me to get on patreon to get all the benchmarks and it all came back to me...
They should change there name to ngridia its about time dam you Jenson
"We found a way to make the 3080 more expensive."
thanks steve once again a great video one which covers alot of the talking points other people would have avoided cheers mate mate GG!!
I bought RX 580 as stop gap for my dead 290x, that was 2 years ago.
GPU prices are crazy.
the difference between a thief and Nvidia is that Huang does not get sent to prison for robbing you 🤣
Aaah, someone actually said it.
At least my NVIDIA shares are up 8%. If you can't beat 'em, be them! Get that money Jensen 🤣🤑👌
How is Nvidia robbing you? Even if you could find one to buy, they're not forcing you to buy it. lmao
he needs the money for his leader jacket collection. so its fine!
@@adriancioroianu1704 North Korea? really? funny, the fanboy mentality is everywhere the same, including in North Korea
Damn it feels good to see Nvidia get roasted by a bunch of channels all within seconds of each other.
And yet they continue to sell out.
The channels can roast them all they want, but as demand still outstrips supply, Nvidia is holding all the cards.
Except jaystwocents lol
Editorial direction mate!
I am currently on a binge watch of tech reviewers hating the 3080ti
In Europe you can get 3090's cheaper than the expected prices of 3080ti's .. This gpu marked is just a clown fiesta
What are you on about? 3090 will never be cheaper than 3080ti. Even scalpers won't sell 3090s for less than 3080ti. They are not dumb.
Can I get one off you? Even with you shipping it to the USA it will be cheaper lol
@@chillnspace777 I see plenty of 3080's for about $4000 here in Russia. Fun fact: average Russian can afford this after 8-10 months of work. If you don't count food, rent etc.
Truth be told, i was just as happy with my 1660 Super, gaming at 1080p high detail can look and perform pretty good.
@@davewills6121 yea my 1060 6GB is still pretty solid, and AMD will be releasing Infinity (AMDs DLSS) also for 10XX series
the jump from every 80 to 80 ti generation has been huge, meanwhile this one is hot trash.
Guess im going to have a 2080 for a long time lol
Probably best to wait for the 40 series at this rate. I just hope 40 doesn't have a hash rate limiter.
@Michael Garcia it should support pascal and newer, as well as polaris and vega and newer for amd
Oh noes, how will you live such a terrible existence... There are guys out there that literally have brand new builds sitting unfinished for months on end because they can't get a GPU, or relying on Intel integrated graphics because their 9/10-series GPU have gone pop and they are out of warranty.
@Michael Garcia fsr will only support gtx graphic cards and you already have dlss then why do you need fsr?
@@gabbypalang what?it will only support Pascal coz Turing and amphere already have dlss omg such foolish humans.
More reason that I'll be buying AMD.
i just bought a 6800 xt for $1549 and its honestly a better card than the 3080 when considering the price. Still overpriced for a card, but no where near the overpriced 3080 and ti
@@jamesa1995 Ouch. That makes me feel better paying around $1000 for mine 5 months ago.
@@jamesa1995 yikes $1549? I got a 6800 xT gaming x trio for $1379 but I return it at my microcenter only to get Rtx 3080 ftw 3 for $500 less. So yeah switching back to Nvidia. Both cards are great but it really depends on what game you're playing.
But $1549 for 6800 xT sounds like a scalper price to me. That literally 2x the MSRP $649.
@@ninthfriend3347 that is $1549 Australian dollars, or 1193 us dollars
I’m more excited for FSR
Same, especially the part that all can use it! unlike Ngreedia's DLSS ... Nvidia can go fuck themselves.
6900XT is much cheaper. If FSR can can provide reasable performance compared to DLSS in ray tracing. 6900xt is much better choice.
If only the tech reviewers would include VR titles in the benchmarks. We would see a bigger performance jump. Top-of-the-line $1200 cards running 25fps in VR should be embarrassing.
They know the people have to buy their green 💩 cards no matter what .So they dont care about the market or the reviews
Sad but very true story bro...
I just picked one of these up in February 2023 for £750, mint in box. Now the value to performance is unreal.
See the thing about the 3080 Ti is this: yes I get it, it's very expensive and you can call me a fool for buying the TUF Gaming OC version of it. However, it really shouldn't be compared to a regular 3080. It is about 10% faster than a 3080 on average for 70% more money. That is a stupidly, hilariously horrible deal, yes. However, it starts to make more sense when you compare it to the 3090. At best, it's 2% slower than the 3090, yet it is 20% cheaper and has half the VRAM. The 3090 is good for gaming, but it's designed for so much more.
If all you do is gaming, and you want the best gaming performance and can afford it, by all means you should sacrifice that UNNOTICABLE 2% performance from the 3090 and step down to a 3080 Ti. However, if you also do creative stuff like video editing, encoding, blender, 3D Modelling etc. then the 3090 is the card for you. Do not get a 3090 if all you do is gaming as it is a total waste of money and it's 20% more expensive than the 3080 Ti which, again, is only 2% slower.
So do you really want to pay 20% more for 2% gain? I didn't think so. The 3090 does much, much better in these 3D modelling, video editing etc applications than the 3080 Ti. So, instead of comparing the 3080 Ti to the 3080, compare it to the 3090 and it makes a bit more sense. Of course, most people will buy the vastly more affordable 3070, as even the 3080 is pretty crazy expensive compared to the 3070. I do not support Nvidia with its price gouging, by the way, I'm just giving my 2 cents, and it can't be said that I'm totally wrong.
TL;DR: RTX 3080, 3080 Ti and 3090 are all stupidly expensive. The 3080 has the power to SOMEWHAT justify its price, while the 3090 is excellent for those who do more than just gaming. So instead of comparing the 3080 Ti to the 3080, compare it to the 3090 which is 2% better and 20% more expensive. For the best gaming results IF YOU CAN AFFORD, get a 3080 Ti instead of a 3090 if all you do is gaming, as you're spending 20% LESS for basically the same performance. Again, I do not support what Nvidia is doing to us, this is pretty much robbery.
Exactly.
A lot of people are using the excuse that the 2080ti released at $1,199. But these people are forgetting the 1080ti (just one generation before the 2080ti) was $699 at release.
Yes there are RT cores added to the 2080ti and the 3080ti vs the 1080ti. But the cost of parts and cost to manufacture for Nvidia is not far off what the 1080ti cards were.
Ah, the infamous RTX 3080 "TIE" :$
So basically confirmed, it's a huge waste of sand...
"Tie" is the proper pronunciation.
Ti is short for Titanium...
It's been named that since the GeForce4 Titanium edition which was abbreviated (wait for it...) Geforce4 Ti.
Tie is in fact , NOT the proper pronunciation any way look it.
Depends on who you are, just because you have no need for one doesn't mean someone else can't use it. I'm sure it's a good card for gaming and someone could use it. Just because a tech reviewer from GN says something "is a waste of sand" doesn't mean jack shit. I still bought a 3090 for gaming myself. But those idiots and these idiots would have you believe those GPU's are not good cards 🖕. I've been using a 3090 for 5 months for gaming and it's a great experience playing games. So saying a 3080Ti or 3090 are not good cards and they are wastes of sand is bullshit. Fuck GN. I hate them.
I've been away for a few months. I didn't realise how competitive AMDs latest products are these days. Wow.
I haven’t been paying attention to GPUs for a minute now but wow AMD is competing with Nvidia now
Maybe in raw performance, but AMD lacks DLSS, Nvenc, Nvidia Broadcast features (mic noise removal, cam background blur and removal, etc), and still has worse ray tracing performance by a lot.
As steve said, the games that radeon perform badly in were developed with nvidea hardware in mind. Games that are developed for both like resident evil village will show a much smaller difference. Also i'm not sure if you've watched any news so far but Super resolution is coming out very soon.
If you buy a gaming graphics card to use your webcam for office meetings or you stream for your single digit viewers, go ahead and buy a nvidea card i guess...
@@KG-kp3le I hang out in discord with my guild and others... Them not hearing my fan in the back ground is a huge plus. I stream sometimes, and yes... I do have only a few viewers usually. Even if I had nobody watching, I want to give any potential newcomers/ friends the best experience.
@@qwertymonsta Fair enough, if those are your needs it's a plus. Although are the software based noise suppression techniques besides nvidea's not good enough?
@@qwertymonsta "AMD Lacks DLSS"... No they don't, and their version will work across both companies cards... On past Nvidia generations not supported by Nvidia itself. AMD just killed DLSS, read the news more.
What room bro, the building is in ashes
Oh great, nerfed 3090 on gold bar price tag
ggwp nvidia
Still tempted to get one of these second hand. The 4070 Super's MSRP is a little higher than the price of a used 3080 Ti right now in the UK and the second hand pricing might go down a little when the supers are released into the wild.
I hope I won't forget this and will choose an AMD product in the future
They didn't release a gpu too... Nd same stock condtions for them too..
@@TheUltimateDesiGamer But the're not releasing a very expensive GPU that will decrease the supply of 3070 / 3080 cards
@@mvp4lithuania Atleast they'll have some stock. Nd they not gonna decrease much of that. All they want is money so yeah they are gonna pump more in it 😂
Good luck trying to buy an AMD graphics card. I don't think it's Nvidia, pretty sure it's supply demand problems with all manufacturers
I guess this thing's value depends on how you look at it. If you consider it a slightly cut down 3090 with less vram for $300 less, it's a good relative value in that sense. My guess is that NVidia figured out that most of the rejected silicon from the 3090 was only very slightly off the mark, and they could fill a niche and sigificantly raise prices. Now, here's the kicker: I don't think the price change at MSRP won't affect consumers in the slightest. What it will do is change who's pockets gets the biggest part of the inflated retail prices. NVidia will be making more for the same silicon, and the board partners will pass that on to their distributors. So the distributors and end retailers will make less. The near $2000 current market retail for a 3080 (or more for a 3090) won't change as a result of this part coming to market. In fact, you may end up getting the Ti model for the same over inflated prices as the non Ti, just because there isn't any market headroom to charge more.
Of course, if NVidia is coming to market with a metric sh-tton of these cards, they could rock the entire market. It's in their interest to drive retail prices back down closer to MSRP, as consumers will be "happy" to only get screwed out of a few hundred more dollars instead of $1000 or more on top.
"Now i have become death destroyer of pc gaming"
-Jensen Ghandi 2021
The original quote isn't a Gandhi quote? It still checks out.
Set the fan speed in MSI afterburner to 85 percent at 60 degrees C and the Suprim X will max out around 66. Don't use the stock fan speeds on a high end MSI GPU.
I wondered why my notifications exploded all of a sudden.
Patiently waiting for a mid/low end GPU...
Ditching PC for PS5 was the best decision I ever made. Now I just wait till one day this sells for $500 on ebay like it's supposed to be
to be honest after seeing the price of the 3080ti and all the price hikes of every single cards im nore than fine with my 3090 that i bought for 1499 msrp
You won’t live long to enjoy it given the kidneys you must have sold to get it
01:02 Not fully unlocked. GA102 has 5376 shaders total. The 3090 has only 5248 enabled.
*Nvidia:* “20% increase equals 70%, you're welcome!“
_Fine print: 70% is the price, you're getting screwed, lol_
I’m still sitting here with the 1080ti I bought second hand years ago feeling rather happy with it..
1080TI still a quite competent card....
Since UE5 annonced it dropped RTX for Lumen, there's no more sense buying NVidia over AMD... + FSR being open for many platforms.
The date now is may 18 2023- I just bought a 3080ti for $400. Best 400$ I ever spent. Fantastic card!
Thank you for always daring to be critical and fair! Like gamers nexus, unlike Linus..
You know it was Linus who bashed Nvidia the hardest when they tried to blacklist Hardware Unboxed. And it wasn't long after that when Nvidia sent their apology letter...
@@chadbizeau5997 True. This is why I'm surprised even more that Linus created this biased 3080tie review..
@@0xszander0 he reviewed the card against the 3090 not the 3080. They also created the video prior to knowing the pricing. If you know anything about ltt's work schedule you would understand that it's not an easy thing for them to do same day videos. As their channel gets bigger and they have more projects it's harder to be as responsive. Right now they are doing 17 videos a week. That's a pretty tight schedule. Whether you view this either positively or negatively is up to you. He did have a cut in stating that he wasn't impressed with the price. And I'm sure he'll elaborate on it more probably during the wan show.
But at the same time look at this from nvidia's point of view. Why should they release it at a lower price if it's just going to sell out instantaneously anyway? And in many cases to scalpers who will just profit off of it even more. If I'm on the board or a shareholder I'm going to want the company to make as much money as possible.
Also as of note: Nvidia doesn't have an unlimited supply of wafers or memory, so they're basically taking advantage of the demand and using what wafer supply they have to its fullest potential.
You (We) may not like it because of the high prices, but that is the law of supply and demand. Once the demand starts dropping the prices will start dropping.
AMD is going through the same thing. Only in some ways they have it worse because they have to supply graphics card CPUs and console chips. And they are getting their raw materials from tsmc who is already tapped out....
@@chadbizeau5997I know exactly it had to do with scheduling. Still really strange to me to see so many people trying their best to reason as to why Linus's video is okay anyway. It's just not. The job of a reviewer should be evaluating the price to performance. All the other channels managed to do this. Linus did not, possibly because he shot the video too soon. That was a mistake, simple as that. I'm not going to argue the other points you are making for a entirely seperate discussion in a comment section. (Wether or not the release was good seperated from pricing)
@@0xszander0 I actually don't disagree with you. I think Linus and his crew are actually decent people I don't believe they are shills. But at the same time I do agree that they should have waited for pricing for the final review. Or at least had a cut in that was more than just an emote.
Sadly this sort of thing is also being mirrored in the automotive market. ( at least in the USA ) . Most of the manufactures have abandoned production of the entry level vehicles in favor of producing the high end at lower volume.
This effectively re-positioned PC gaming from being a recreation, to being what would be termed in finance as a "Luxury expense."
So, this is the new 3080 TIE...
"tie" is the proper pronunciation.
Its already selling on Ebay as of 6-3-2021 8AM. The prices are 2500$ for 3080 TI Founders edition.
Nvidia and Jensen is that mega awkward rich uncle at a family gathering who is socially detached from reality because their insane wealth stripped them of humanity and the ability to relate to any other person and their struggles
Are you saying it's not within normal reality to take the helicopter to buy milk?
Ah yes, _that_ uncle.
Still glad i brought my 3090, yet to see such greed from wholesales/Retailers has put me off ever buying another GPU, consoles from now on.
another case of nvidia kicking gamers when they are already down! Nice! many thanks Steve, great video as usual.
what exactly do you want nvidia to do right now? Explain please.
1080 ti crew where u at? I personally will be waiting until next-gen, my card is still dominating in 1440p/1080p.
Nvidia let's cut out the middlemen and do our own scalping
Makes the 6900xt look like a good deal. It beats the 3080ti and 3090 in most things and the prices are not ridiculously inflated unlike nvidia products atm. Here in the uk they are selling on ebay for around £1300-£1600 where the 3080's are around £1500+ and the 3090 are £2000+.
ahhhh 😌 more videos about nivedia failing! my happy place 😌😌😌
I’m glad at least a certain retailer in Australia is selling 6800 XT (Asrock Phantom Gaming) for $1699 when in stock. Still more then double what I paid for my 5600 XT 8 months ago!
I only see a 1200$ msrp getting shread by a 1000$ msrp card, especially in 1440p. 😂😂😂
1000? It's getting shredded by the 6800xt
@@oussamabouyarmane2166 Do you know where to buy those cards for MSRP? Dumb F**k.
It doesn't matter what the msrp is, these cards are 2-3 times more expensive on the market.
@@madd5who gives a shit we're comparing MSRP, deal with it.
The best I've read about the 3080 Tie is that it actually does have a good increase in fully path-traced games like Minecraft RTX or Q2 RTX. So once actual games that are fully path-traced launch... it will be totally outdated.
Their are already fully path traced games, like Metro Exodus enhanced edition. Also check out Control for poor AMD DXR performance. Then Port Royal.
Pricing in Japan varies hugely between AIBs. A Palit 3080 Ti was selling for 1600 USD whereas a MSI Suprim is selling for 2200 USD. 600 USD difference between basically the same card?!?
Very good, unbiased review.