While we have tested the RX 6800M with "normal" (not slow timings) memory, just a reminder that retail units of the Asus ROG Strix will be somewhat slower due to Asus' memory choice and what they describe as a supply constraint on better memory
Great review Tim love the power range next to the gpus. Are there 32gig kits with even better sub timing? Or is the kit you tested with the best this laptop can support.
@@darius6845 Jarrod's Tech has everything you're asking for. Just check his Lenovo Legion 5 Pro memory gate video, it shipped with the very same crappy RAM sticks of this Asus.
Buying laptops is a hit or miss sometimes, because you often can't likely see what RAM is used until you closely examine them somewhere if there is any information online... Not to mention that power supply determines how much your hardware can perform and the constraint between parts if heat becomes a issue as a result of power. Power gives higher performance but heat drops it... So if the laptop has a lot of fancy power hog features and bloatware or drivers... It'll suck.
@@CephDigital good point! As early adopter of Asus' AMD laptop Im not gonna do the same mistake and will prefer any other brand. And do recommend it to anyone else. Perfect fantasy in my mind is something like Dell XPS or Razer Blade Pro but full AMD. Some day maybe.
I was humming along being like ok, this is fine, until the price - and then my jaw dropped. Like why would you even buy a 3080 laptop? 10% for $500 at 1440? How is that a thing?
If this laptop costs $1550-$1700, that's insane value in the laptop space. Not only is that faster than a 3070 laptop in any range, but the laptop models with high TGP 3080, like the one they tested, can cost $2500+ You're giving up some nvidia features for sure, but if I was in the market for a gaming laptop right now it'd be really hard for me not to go with AMD at that price.
We need to see more Radeon laptops with MUX switches or some "Advanced Enduro" now! Navi 22 in a laptop seems decently competitive even if it's a smidgen slower than GA104 at similar TDPs. Smartshift finally seems useful. Can't wait to see the 6700m vs. 3060 mobile battle 💖
@@robertstan298 Understandable but if the 6800m is cheaper than the 3070 from the SAME company using the SAME CPU(5900HX), then a 6700m might arguably be cheaper than a 3060 with performance that at least would be better than the slightly lower watt 3070s. A 6700m vs 3060 comparison would then make sense from a price standpoint. Being the same price with the 3060 alone would be good if its more powerful, but being cheaper at the same time?? That's a huge win for performance enthusiasts in the budget market.
@@Zorro33313 I have, and I was fully aware. Thing is, it was either handicap myself with an inferior product (I do a lot of CUDA-accelerated productivity work) or just accept that I have little choice and go with what works best for my needs. I don't like NVIDIA's business practices, but they're the only ones so far to make a product that fits my needs... In a perfect world, AMD, NVIDIA and Intel would have a range of GPUs that meet all basic productivity and gaming needs at prices that the masses could actually afford. Unfortunately, this is not that world.
RDNA1, GCN and even vega were competitive with nvidia cards while costing lower in many occasions in midrange market. Take Vega 56 vs 1070 or RX 580/480 vs 1060 or rx 550 vs 1050 or Rx 5600xt vs 1660ti/2060 and 5500xt vs 1650/1650 super for example.
Same, and I do think the RT equation will change tremendously once developers start optimizing for AMD (given that they power consoles and PC’s now). I also think FSR will help make RT much more usable.
@@mariusclaudiu3146 and with that increase still cheaper than 3080 with higher performance, if a laptop maker is sensible enough o use high speed memory than 6800m dominates
@@mariusclaudiu3146 In the US it's still cheaper with Best Buy, though I will admit the storage could be better. As a side note, any parts you buy can be used later.
@ADITYADIVINE they don't have any options because India applies a big fat import tax on all electronics and you have to go through a lengthy process to get your product registered for sale in India. Not to mention how there's very few buyers for gaming laptops in India.
I've been debating on building a second PC for VR set ups, but man I may as well pick up something like this down the line so I can have a mobile VR set up as well.
I'd never get a laptop for anything performance or gaming related, unless I actually needed to move the PC. The current GPU shortage might somewhat alter that statement, if that's all one is able to purchase - but honestly I'd rather wait in a scenario as such, again - unless I absolutely needed the PC.
@@sahilmeena8018 simply because everyone knows, that this 6 heavy raytraced games run faster on nvidia gpu´s and that the 3 lighter raytraced games run equal on both brands... dlss runs only on nvidia gpus, so why even test it. you can run this tests, as soon as games implemented fsr. now it only depends on, how developer use raytracing ( ITS CALLED RAYTRACING, NOT RTX...) if they use heavy implementations, nvidia will stay faster, if they just use light implementations like godfall, dirt5 or RE, then nvidia will have no advantage
@ADITYADIVINE there are no driver issues. if anything... AMD keeps improving Performance to their older and current gen cards over the years while nVidia was proven many times to sabotage their own product to promote the new gpus
Jarrod’s Tech did some external monitor testing too if you wanna see more benchmarks. I think he said he’ll have an even larger set of test data in an upcoming video as well.
@@artiew8718 This laptop has a 1440p 144hz screen option but that one wasn’t sampled to reviewers (at-least not yet) since these dGPU’s are massive overkill for 1080p, they wanted to give people an idea of how that version of the laptop will perform since most people will probably buy the better screen model when it becomes available. Alternatively, maybe some people are perfectly fine playing at 1080p when they’re on the go (to save a few bucks on the higher specced version) but at home they already have a 1440p gaming monitor/TV they can plug it into.
@artiew87 @@samuel5916 I used to hook my old Alienware with a i7-6700HQ and GTX 1070 to a monitor and keyboard due to space constraints. I didn't have room for a desktop tower, where I had the laptop set up, and it was cheaper than going with an ITX format. That's another reason some people may want to hook a laptop up to a monitor. That's not even getting into the availability of desktop video cards right now.
I can't take any of these reviews seriously. I have this laptop and a couple others with GPUs he is "reviewing" and all his numbers are well off of what I actually get on them.
As gamer as the "Cutting Edge Cool" design internally, I do like touches like that. 99% of users will never see it, but the few that do open up their laptops will see something neat
We should definitely check battery life on these all AMD laptops . Wonder how much the RDNA2 efficiency helps there Edit : wow the price difference makes it a no brainer !
I bought this laptop on sale at 1099 on November 2022 from 1699 of the original price for the QHD version. With the money I saved I upgraded the SSD with 2 fast 1TB Gen 3 from Sabrent that runs cool and is much faster for gaming (I have cloned the internal to the first Sabrent and then replace it with another Sabrent for a 2TB total SSD), I replaced the slow stock ram 1Rx16 CL22 with super-fast 2x16GB DDR4 1Rx8 CL20 Kingston FURY (total 32GB) & I also replaced the unreliable WI-FI/Bluetooth card with a fast and reliable INTEL AX210 NGW. All this costed about 320$ that can be 220$ if you go for the more than enough 16GB ram. All the components I have removed I sold them for used and I made some extra cash (about 100$) for the rest of the upgrades. All the above are super easy to do if you have basic computer skills, 15’ time and a screwdriver. With the remaining money bought also on sale: one ROG Falchion NX 65 keyboard, one mouse ROG Chakram, the AUKEY PC-LM1E 1080p camera and the Creative Pebble V3 Speakers (total cost another 200$). All the above upgrades and accessories costed less than the discount I got from best buy and I added a few more $ to the ones I made by selling the stock parts for one QHD LG Ultragear 27GP850-B monitor at 165Hz that is currently on sale at 300$ for a full gaming set up and for bypassing completely the integrated GPU since there is no MUX switch in this laptop. On benchmarks and on new AAA games this configuration is faster about 25%-30% of the original configuration and faster than a i7 11800H + RTX 3080M laptop that cost about double the original 1699 price of this laptop with smaller SSD and less RAM! All upgrades plus the laptop and peripherals cost me a total of 1820$. All this for a full gaming set up (external screen, keyboard, mouse, speakers and camera) plus 2TB SSD, 32GB ram and fast WIFi6. Every game run on ultra-settings smoothly as butter. I highly recommend it even on original price at best buy if you are considering buying the Nvidia variation and you will have the fastest laptop out there and a lot of hard earned $ saved.
I think it also because how AMD GPU have less CPU overhead. I suppose on heavy GPU scenes/frames, the CPU is less likely being busy serving GPU demands, so the overall program still work somewhat fluid instead of being chugged a frame or two. This coincides with how at 1080 resolution, AMD is very impressive. At that resolution, being a lighter render than 1440p, it naturally cranks more FPS, thus more CPU processing needed. Less CPU overhead means more CPU power available for running the game itself.
@@andrewosei328 5600M in a handful of laptops with a poorer driver experience that did worse than 2060 was hardly competitive, not sure what you expected when there were like three Radeon laptops last year lol
I was waiting for a mention of price and was genuinely shocked at the difference. I was not expecting that laptop to be hundreds less than its direct competitor. That's cool :)
Type-C 100W charging option. Finally modern. This means no bulky proprietary charging cables that get hot and even electrocute you. Also means I can use mag-safe cables compatible with my work laptop and my phone.
People keep repeating "raytracing" over and over again, but the technology is still to slow to use it across the board. Even 4k resolution is still quite demanding, without rt.
People keep repeating Ray-Tracing because that's the minimum specification across the board between PC and consoles. Developers will out RT hardware to use. You're right that we're still far off from ideal performance, but that will take decades(Yes, decades, not years). We can't wait until then to use Ray-Tracing. The earlier we use, the more techniques we will develop to turn around the limitations of actual RT hardware.
@@Ghostsonplanets Decades? It won't take 5 years. You're forgetting image upscaling tech. Even if in 5 years we only get twice the performance we currently get + FSR and/or DLSS widely available that'll be enough for 4k RT on mid range cards, even if it's not as good as native 4k it's gonna be enough for most people.
@@CHN-yh3uv It's more likely that RT will be matched by a Software based effect (See the new UE5 demo). "Look here are nice effects that doesn't cause your hardware to call you an asshole." Leaving FSR and DLSS an option for people that just want to push a higher resolution or FPS out of their card by sacrificing some graphical fidelity.
Technically it is a 6700XT, just slightly down clocked and prolly binned for lower power consumption. There's literally no physical difference between the 6700XT and the 6800M, including the memory.
@@hasnihossainsami8375 Thats what makes the name still confusing. Should've been called the rx6700m. And release a rx6800m that was basically a desktop rx6800 non xt. Holy fuck it'd have smoked nvidia. Probably beaten the rtx 3080 by 15-20%. And the rtx 3070 by 30-40%.
@@Supcharged Maybe it will, we'll see. The silicon exists to make an RTX 3080 killer, it's just a matter of if it's worth it for AMD to allocate the silicon for it. They need OEMs to sign up for taking an agreed amount of units first.
@@siyzerix lmao Nvidia is doing the same thing - their 3080 mobile is using the full GA104 chip which is the same chip that'll be used in the desktop 3070Ti. Desktop 3080 uses the GA102 chip, which isn't available for laptops. Both AMD and Nvidia's top dies are way too big to put into laptops.
This looks great and for a channel that doesn’t normally do laptop reviews I think you did an amazing job. I’d be curious to see reviews in the coming months when FSR is available and implemented in more games, and weather it can better compete with Nvidia’s RT/DLSS combination.
That price is real nice. So crazy that with RDNA2 AMD was able to get right up on next to Nvidia up and down and stack on desktop and mobile. I just wonder what's going to happen next, and with Intel getting into dGPU race, things about to get WILD.
We keep hearing that Intel's DG2 is going to be around RTX 3070 Ti performance. Since Intel has 0 dgpu market share, it means they NEED market share. So i am personally expecting some 1st gen Ryzen tier pricing with Intel's DG2 gpu's.
@@siyzerix Efficiency may have taking a dive but that's taking power into account. When you just look at performance to relative previous gen GPU, Nvidia has still been making jumps in performance.
@@Yoshimatsu414 The gtx 1050 on laptops was 50-60% faster than the gtx 950m. The gtx 1060 was a massive 2-3x faster than a gtx 960m. The gtx 1070 was nearly 2-3x faster than a gtx 970m. The gtx 1080 was almost 2x faster than a gtx 980m. For turing the gtx 1650 was 40-50% faster than a 1050. The gtx 1660ti was 30-40% faster than a 1060. The rtx 2070 was about 30%ish faster than a 1070. The rtx 2080 was maybe 20% better than a gtx 1080. You can see the performance uplift was getting lower and lower. And with ampere it reduced to mostly 20-30% uplifts. No shit performance relative to previous generation gpu's is better. Otherwise whats the point. You'd be pulling a intel at that point. Are we praising that we are getting any sort of performance uplifts? Because if so, now i can see how nvidia is raking in so much cash. People will defend anything from them. They could produce shit and people would still defend it.
@@siyzerix To be honest, I think part of the problem is that OEM's discontinue last gen products. If last gen products were still as readily available as new gen products (every single launch), then reviewers would constantly have to compare relative to last gen products. Can you imagine if an RTX 3060 review told you to buy an RTX 2060 instead? That's one way to fix the problem.
@@artiew8718 The 3060 has more, slower RAM than the 3060Ti which is likely a cheaper overall cost. The 3080 has more, slower RAM than the 3080Ti in the 16GB variant which is likely a cheaper overall cost. The 3080 is also available in an 8GB variant which would be less, slower RAM which would obviously be a cheaper overall cost.
@@haukionkannel "3080 is 3060" meaning you think the mobile 3080 is a desktop 3060? Sure, apart from the fact that the 3080 has almost twice the CUDA cores (3584 in the 3060 desktop and 6144 in the 3080 laptop), a different memory width (192 vs 256-bit), and memory sizes (which are a function of bus width)... absolutely the same GPU.
Damn! It already come to a point when a laptop is much more cheaper than a video card. In my country RX6700XT GPU cost around 1500USD and sometimes more.
I really appreciate the reminder with the desktop 3080 that no one with a 3080 mobile is getting nearly the same performance. Nvidia needs to take a lesson from AMD and name them separately if they won't name them appropriate to their performance.
That is true. But timing on the ram is one of the last things people check when buying a laptop so this seems like an easy thing to go unnoticed by most people. Usually customers will just see 16GB at 3200 mhz and wouldn't inspect further. It's a good thing tech reviewers are bringing this issue into light.
You missed to mention on how efficient 6800m behaves on battery only, compared to RTX mobile. Granted, either fence could probably only manage about an hour on battery.
Great review. But why do reviewers always mention features RTX Voice which has general altetnstives. But never mention Radeon Chill. Which for a laptop is a huge selling point. RadeonChill is great for MMOs and can save tons of power.
Amd is on a rampage. They're sick of being the bottom dog and are absolutely trying to become top dog and have no reason to wait for intel to catch up. I love this new AMD. We really needed this level of competition on the high end
I still haven an issue with the naming, it's a navi 22 chip but has the name of a navi 21 chip with a m suffix. It's less misleading than what nvidia does, but still not great.
@@simster2759 I was literally about to pull the trigger on a 3070 lappy from Infinity. I hope the thing goes on sale soon rather than the usual couple months delay.
Something worth noting is that the 3080 mobile at 2560x1440 has a 40-50% shader advantage over the 6800M (3072 shaders with around 20-30% of them providing effective additional FP32 capacity). Makes you wonder what kind of performance a hypothetical 6900M with a Navi 21 die could achieve, even though it would have to run at lower clock speeds. Double the shader count and cut clock speeds by 20%, say. If AMD weren't so wafer-constrained, they might have actually created such a product.
when i saw that AMD wasnt beating the 3080 consistently in performance my thought was that they need to hit Nvidia where it hurts and thats pricing and my gawd did they ever. 500-1K cheaper is nuts considering the AMD advantage has to have a 120hz IPS screen on the laptop.
Nah, they didn't destroy them. If they did, then there would literally be no reason to buy an NVIDIA product. As it stands, there are still plenty of reasons to go NVIDIA. It's just that AMD has become much more competitive in order to build up a very strong alternative
For Price/Raw performance agreed but RT performance and DLSS can be a game-changer. I have a desktop with 5700 XT and a laptop with an RTX 3080, AMD's drivers were always had problems. They should work more on the software side.
I'm really happy to see what they're doing with price on the 6800m. Sure, it might not beat the 3080, but if its cheaper than a 3070 laptop, then that's a huge win. I'm excited to see how the 6700m stacks up, and where it's priced. It's 10gb vram buffer should make it a bit more future proof. With mobile Ampere, if you want more than 8gb of vram, you need to step all the way up to a top-end 16gb 3080 config.
The title needs to be changed. "The 6800M. Faster than the 3080 mobile?" Is what it SHOULD say. No one would ever assume a laptop video card is faster than a desktop variant in it's tier.
300Hz screen is obviously overkill. No webcam is interesting but in postpandemic it's probably a bad move. Good keyboard layout even if it has some childish design. A dedicated display port would be nice as those connectors are more secure and as I'm not sure the USB-C cable routes display through the GPU (also it's advertised as G-sync compatible, whut)
Already hearing news of nvidia bribing OEMs in China. Don't know it is true or false. Let's wait and see how OEMs implement the RX6000 GPUs. I hope this time I see more laptops with RX6700M.
The price is really good, now if I can buy one is another matter hahaha Gj asus, they went hard on AMD, they even have AMD cpu on their products front page in certain region 👍
The 6800M should be the 6700M being that it's an underclocked 6700XT. Since they're pricing it near the 3070 Laptop anyway, it would've been better for marketing to call it 6700M beating the 3070 Laptop and even occasionally the 3080 Laptop.
Performance for money best yet. Smart shift+resizeable bar double boost comparable to 3080 price of 1650 usd can't go wrong. Unless some people fancy 16' with higher refresh rate like legion 5 pro on Lenovo website 3070 version cost almost 2 grand. Even some 3060 version cost same price as 6800m version so why not get this one?
I would have brought that 6800m laptop, but since AMD will release its Fidelity FX, I think my gtx1060 omen is still good enough since its still working fine.
IF nvidia will allow you to use it...amd just droped the mic on the stage, showing that it even works on nvidia gpu´s, now its up to nvidia to actually enable it and optimice there drivers for there gpu´s. intel already anounced, that they will add support for it on there gpu´s and they are working together with amd for the implementation
I know I wouldn't pay a dime more for dlss on a laptop. 1080p is too low a Rez to allow dlss to even match how ”good” aka dogshit that it looks at 1440p.
Do we know what the release date is for this laptop or pre-orders? I’ve been looking to upgrade from my Dell G3 3590, and the AMD 6800m is what I’ve been waiting for.
For people planning to buy this, check the serial number, if it starts with M7, it's the newer version that comes with updated better ram [ Just purchased]
Would be awesome to see a 6900m with 140-160 watts with 3072 shaders and 128mb of Infinity Cache which is highly binned and instead of being 500$ cheaper than the 3080 offerings, maybe like 100-200$ cheaper.
great deal man, the 6800m has aged like fine wine, not to mention its a 12gb gpu that will benifit in newer titles. You don't have to play on ultra settings to enjoy a game, this gpu plays everything I have thrown at it so for medium-high 1440p.
@@xKevmachinex I unfortunately had to return it. Laptop was constantly overheating (not while playing games) and would randomly reboot. Reboots got so bad I could barely log into windows. There's a few forums on the random reboots and terrible liquid metal application from the factory. I know why it was returned to BestBuy now lol
Awesome Job swapping out the terrible base Ram so that we can get a more fair and accurate assessment of performance! Kudos to Jarrod for discovering the suboptimal RAM issue weeks ago with Lenovo Legion 5 pro.
Why not market it as a 6700M and market against the 3070 mobile? Seems like it would be better to take the win on comparisons and be seen as a great 3080 mobile alternative.
While we have tested the RX 6800M with "normal" (not slow timings) memory, just a reminder that retail units of the Asus ROG Strix will be somewhat slower due to Asus' memory choice and what they describe as a supply constraint on better memory
Is it just me or do all the Laptop suppliers, other than bespoke, seem to ALWAYS include something to hamper AMD Laptops? Dell G anyone...etc etc etc
could you provide the timings (and sub-timings) of both kits? or link them?
Great review Tim love the power range next to the gpus. Are there 32gig kits with even better sub timing? Or is the kit you tested with the best this laptop can support.
Did you include the price of the memory you added in the laptop when you priced the laptop in the video?
@@darius6845 Jarrod's Tech has everything you're asking for. Just check his Lenovo Legion 5 Pro memory gate video, it shipped with the very same crappy RAM sticks of this Asus.
6800M looking competitive, at least compared to the 5600M last year which was generally below RTX 2060
Please show us with ram
Changed!
and then Nvidia started bribing OEM to avoid using AMD mobile GPU
@@aceofchads any 3rd party stick on retail will do, it's just Asus used terribly unseen oem ram
Buying laptops is a hit or miss sometimes, because you often can't likely see what RAM is used until you closely examine them somewhere if there is any information online...
Not to mention that power supply determines how much your hardware can perform and the constraint between parts if heat becomes a issue as a result of power.
Power gives higher performance but heat drops it...
So if the laptop has a lot of fancy power hog features and bloatware or drivers... It'll suck.
🤡🤡🤡 it was faster than 2060 comparable to 2070MQ. i happen to own the 5600M. All you had to do was update drivers and tune it slightly.
The great thing is that 6800M laptop goes for LESS than a 3070 laptop. That is insane for near 3080 laptop performance.
If i can get a laptop with a QHD display and rgb vomit everywhere, that's going to be my next laptop.
@@CephDigital beware of that it is just 4-zone rgb vomit keyboard. Not per key.
@@tomashcraft yes Im aware but Lenovo are making their own version as well so hopefully that is based off their Legion 7 and not the 5
@@CephDigital good point! As early adopter of Asus' AMD laptop Im not gonna do the same mistake and will prefer any other brand. And do recommend it to anyone else.
Perfect fantasy in my mind is something like Dell XPS or Razer Blade Pro but full AMD. Some day maybe.
I'll only believe this once they actually are available to buy...
I was humming along being like ok, this is fine, until the price - and then my jaw dropped. Like why would you even buy a 3080 laptop? 10% for $500 at 1440? How is that a thing?
I present to you 3080ti
@@SaturnusDK you won't have a chance buying 3080ti at that price, that thing cost at least $2500
@@hoangd4132 Yeah but even the fairy tale MSRP is +$500 for the same roughly +10% performance.
If this laptop costs $1550-$1700, that's insane value in the laptop space. Not only is that faster than a 3070 laptop in any range, but the laptop models with high TGP 3080, like the one they tested, can cost $2500+ You're giving up some nvidia features for sure, but if I was in the market for a gaming laptop right now it'd be really hard for me not to go with AMD at that price.
@@Dadodaw Bonus feature, if you ever switch your OS to Linux, AMD has *much* better support.
We need to see more Radeon laptops with MUX switches or some "Advanced Enduro" now! Navi 22 in a laptop seems decently competitive even if it's a smidgen slower than GA104 at similar TDPs. Smartshift finally seems useful. Can't wait to see the 6700m vs. 3060 mobile battle 💖
More like 6600M vs mobile 3060. 6700M should be a lot closer to 6800M than anything else.
@@robertstan298 Understandable but if the 6800m is cheaper than the 3070 from the SAME company using the SAME CPU(5900HX), then a 6700m might arguably be cheaper than a 3060 with performance that at least would be better than the slightly lower watt 3070s. A 6700m vs 3060 comparison would then make sense from a price standpoint. Being the same price with the 3060 alone would be good if its more powerful, but being cheaper at the same time?? That's a huge win for performance enthusiasts in the budget market.
At the end of the day, competition is our best friend. Keep it up AMD!
AMD become the first GPU to pack 8gb Vram on their mid range gpu RX 6600M, what a time to be alive!!
"mid range"
@@EVPointMaster yes the 6600m is supposed to be in laptops 1000$ or less than that so I'll call it budget-ish mid range
@@seamon9732 MOBILE GPUs.
@@naseemyasir i really wish it comes under 1000$
@@mistphily yea me too, assuming that they go with the same pricingvas last year
Always excited to see Hammer on box not shadow banned for alternative journalism narrative lmao
Lmao
Well of course. Because it's hammer time!
OMG so THAT'S where the hammer over a box hoodie comes from!!! I'm dying XDXDXD
My favorite part was when AMD was ahead by 2% he said AMD gets the win but when AMD was down by 2% he said that it was a tie.
@@KevinCampusano and the one he is wearing in this video comes from the occasional "Harbor Boxed" subtitle
Ray tracing aside, RDNA2 is impressive and has impressed me enough to kick Nvidia and buy my first Radeon gpu since it was 'Ati Radeon'
wait, so you were buying nvidia all these years of Jensen's horrible anti-consumer behavior? Jeez, hope you were simply not aware.
@@Zorro33313 I have, and I was fully aware.
Thing is, it was either handicap myself with an inferior product (I do a lot of CUDA-accelerated productivity work) or just accept that I have little choice and go with what works best for my needs. I don't like NVIDIA's business practices, but they're the only ones so far to make a product that fits my needs...
In a perfect world, AMD, NVIDIA and Intel would have a range of GPUs that meet all basic productivity and gaming needs at prices that the masses could actually afford. Unfortunately, this is not that world.
RDNA1, GCN and even vega were competitive with nvidia cards while costing lower in many occasions in midrange market. Take Vega 56 vs 1070 or RX 580/480 vs 1060 or rx 550 vs 1050 or Rx 5600xt vs 1660ti/2060 and 5500xt vs 1650/1650 super for example.
Same, and I do think the RT equation will change tremendously once developers start optimizing for AMD (given that they power consoles and PC’s now). I also think FSR will help make RT much more usable.
@@slay3rgamingyt it depends on what your workload was/is
How far AMD has come in the last 5 years is just Amazing👍.
That's what having an actual engineer as CEO does
hopefully it's priced at the 3070 level.
edit: Holy shit it actually is cheaper than a 3070 laptop even. What a beast.
AMD know the market. Unlike Intel.
Not if you need to change the memory. Thats another 200 euro right there :)))
@@mariusclaudiu3146 and with that increase still cheaper than 3080 with higher performance, if a laptop maker is sensible enough o use high speed memory than 6800m dominates
@@mariusclaudiu3146 In the US it's still cheaper with Best Buy, though I will admit the storage could be better. As a side note, any parts you buy can be used later.
Personally I'm impressed with the RX 6800m can't wait to see Eluktronics make an all AMD laptop.
Would faster ram help
@ADITYADIVINE they don't have any options because India applies a big fat import tax on all electronics and you have to go through a lengthy process to get your product registered for sale in India. Not to mention how there's very few buyers for gaming laptops in India.
@@chriswright8074 yes will get around 10% more fps
@@chriswright8074 well, if they are using the same ram as what was found in the legion 5 pro then maybe.
XMG stated no 6000m laptop this year from them
I've been debating on building a second PC for VR set ups, but man I may as well pick up something like this down the line so I can have a mobile VR set up as well.
Let me ask, is the vr setup initially for Half-life alyx?
I'd never get a laptop for anything performance or gaming related, unless I actually needed to move the PC. The current GPU shortage might somewhat alter that statement, if that's all one is able to purchase - but honestly I'd rather wait in a scenario as such, again - unless I absolutely needed the PC.
Building new pc rn, no. Laptop yes. Cool to see you here chef.
@@mackan072 with FSR you won’t need another computer dude it’ll work with VR eventually they said
@@mackan072 I'd disagree, ever since Laptops became power constrained instead of having cut down chips, they're a lot better.
faster or equal is not important. is FAST ENOUGH for everything and is way cheeper!
lol facts. That $500 less alone would make me buy it.
@@dalefrancis9414 exactly. and if it looses in some game is not 500$ gap! is like 5-15fps! so yeah...no brainier. All AMD laptops rock!
@ADITYADIVINE Add rtx and dlss too. I wonder why they didn't include ray tracing benchmarks in this review.
@@sahilmeena8018 simply because everyone knows, that this 6 heavy raytraced games run faster on nvidia gpu´s and that the 3 lighter raytraced games run equal on both brands... dlss runs only on nvidia gpus, so why even test it. you can run this tests, as soon as games implemented fsr. now it only depends on, how developer use raytracing ( ITS CALLED RAYTRACING, NOT RTX...) if they use heavy implementations, nvidia will stay faster, if they just use light implementations like godfall, dirt5 or RE, then nvidia will have no advantage
@ADITYADIVINE there are no driver issues. if anything... AMD keeps improving Performance to their older and current gen cards over the years while nVidia was proven many times to sabotage their own product to promote the new gpus
Finally a test of this machine with an external monitor at 1440p. Thank you guys!
Jarrod’s Tech did some external monitor testing too if you wanna see more benchmarks. I think he said he’ll have an even larger set of test data in an upcoming video as well.
What’s the point of a laptop then. Sff is the way to go.
@@artiew8718 This laptop has a 1440p 144hz screen option but that one wasn’t sampled to reviewers (at-least not yet) since these dGPU’s are massive overkill for 1080p, they wanted to give people an idea of how that version of the laptop will perform since most people will probably buy the better screen model when it becomes available.
Alternatively, maybe some people are perfectly fine playing at 1080p when they’re on the go (to save a few bucks on the higher specced version) but at home they already have a 1440p gaming monitor/TV they can plug it into.
@artiew87 @@samuel5916 I used to hook my old Alienware with a i7-6700HQ and GTX 1070 to a monitor and keyboard due to space constraints. I didn't have room for a desktop tower, where I had the laptop set up, and it was cheaper than going with an ITX format. That's another reason some people may want to hook a laptop up to a monitor. That's not even getting into the availability of desktop video cards right now.
I can't take any of these reviews seriously. I have this laptop and a couple others with GPUs he is "reviewing" and all his numbers are well off of what I actually get on them.
As gamer as the "Cutting Edge Cool" design internally, I do like touches like that. 99% of users will never see it, but the few that do open up their laptops will see something neat
We should definitely check battery life on these all AMD laptops . Wonder how much the RDNA2 efficiency helps there
Edit : wow the price difference makes it a no brainer !
they are very close, and SmartShift may improve battery life
@@katech6020 Radeon chill too, or underclocking, if you want to you could underclock it slightly
Jarrod tech said it lasts for more than 9 hours of TH-cam playaback with the screen limited to 60hz
I bought this laptop on sale at 1099 on November 2022 from 1699 of the original price for the QHD version.
With the money I saved I upgraded the SSD with 2 fast 1TB Gen 3 from Sabrent that runs cool and is much faster for gaming (I have cloned the internal to the first Sabrent and then replace it with another Sabrent for a 2TB total SSD), I replaced the slow stock ram 1Rx16 CL22 with super-fast 2x16GB DDR4 1Rx8 CL20 Kingston FURY (total 32GB) & I also replaced the unreliable WI-FI/Bluetooth card with a fast and reliable INTEL AX210 NGW. All this costed about 320$ that can be 220$ if you go for the more than enough 16GB ram. All the components I have removed I sold them for used and I made some extra cash (about 100$) for the rest of the upgrades.
All the above are super easy to do if you have basic computer skills, 15’ time and a screwdriver.
With the remaining money bought also on sale: one ROG Falchion NX 65 keyboard, one mouse ROG Chakram, the AUKEY PC-LM1E 1080p camera and the Creative Pebble V3 Speakers (total cost another 200$).
All the above upgrades and accessories costed less than the discount I got from best buy and I added a few more $ to the ones I made by selling the stock parts for one QHD LG Ultragear 27GP850-B monitor at 165Hz that is currently on sale at 300$ for a full gaming set up and for bypassing completely the integrated GPU since there is no MUX switch in this laptop.
On benchmarks and on new AAA games this configuration is faster about 25%-30% of the original configuration and faster than a i7 11800H + RTX 3080M laptop that cost about double the original 1699 price of this laptop with smaller SSD and less RAM! All upgrades plus the laptop and peripherals cost me a total of 1820$. All this for a full gaming set up (external screen, keyboard, mouse, speakers and camera) plus 2TB SSD, 32GB ram and fast WIFi6.
Every game run on ultra-settings smoothly as butter.
I highly recommend it even on original price at best buy if you are considering buying the Nvidia variation and you will have the fastest laptop out there and a lot of hard earned $ saved.
I knew this channel thanks to Jarrod's shout-out about your upcoming FSR and DLSS comparison video. Such great channels!
@@josephm3615 in a world full of Nvidia shill channels, should there not be an opposition to the evil overlords? 🤣
Exciting to see serious AMD GPUs back for laptops!
I have a feelin that Smartshift is behind a lot of those good 1% low scores 6800M had.
Interesting theory
I think it also because how AMD GPU have less CPU overhead. I suppose on heavy GPU scenes/frames, the CPU is less likely being busy serving GPU demands, so the overall program still work somewhat fluid instead of being chugged a frame or two.
This coincides with how at 1080 resolution, AMD is very impressive. At that resolution, being a lighter render than 1440p, it naturally cranks more FPS, thus more CPU processing needed.
Less CPU overhead means more CPU power available for running the game itself.
AMD is changing the laptop market with this kind of insane performance to price value. NOICE.
The difference in frame rate between in unit screen and external monitor shows the desparate need for a mux switch.
As said on other videos about the same laptop, the video signal to the default screen is routed through the iGPU and hinders performance greatly
The 1080p numbers given were using the default screen though so what you see is what you get
AMD had the biggest comeback in anime history.
It is good to see AMD hitting above their weight class thats for sure. I wish I had the money to throw at something like this
Thank you AMD for being sensible and providing us with the 'M' so I don't get confused searching for desktop vs laptop cards.
👀 That's quite impressive!
I love your channel so much! 🧡
Can't wait to get my hands on one when it's in stock 3 years from now
😂😂😂
Oh, guess I'm early.
Also the shout out to Jarrod's Tech is neat. Boys support Boys.
Da bois!
Jarrod's Tech is an Nvidia fanboy, don't expect unbiased reviews from him.
He's weird tho
@@andrewosei328 Probably doesn't help that there hasn't been much AMD stuff that competes till now.
@@andrewosei328 5600M in a handful of laptops with a poorer driver experience that did worse than 2060 was hardly competitive, not sure what you expected when there were like three Radeon laptops last year lol
I was waiting for a mention of price and was genuinely shocked at the difference.
I was not expecting that laptop to be hundreds less than its direct competitor.
That's cool :)
Type-C 100W charging option. Finally modern.
This means no bulky proprietary charging cables that get hot and even electrocute you.
Also means I can use mag-safe cables compatible with my work laptop and my phone.
A charging cable can't electrocute you. Just sayin'...
This is madness! Is Tim using a laptop that he didn't dremel into to get good thermals?!
People keep repeating "raytracing" over and over again, but the technology is still to slow to use it across the board.
Even 4k resolution is still quite demanding, without rt.
People keep repeating Ray-Tracing because that's the minimum specification across the board between PC and consoles. Developers will out RT hardware to use. You're right that we're still far off from ideal performance, but that will take decades(Yes, decades, not years). We can't wait until then to use Ray-Tracing. The earlier we use, the more techniques we will develop to turn around the limitations of actual RT hardware.
@@Ghostsonplanets Decades? It won't take 5 years. You're forgetting image upscaling tech. Even if in 5 years we only get twice the performance we currently get + FSR and/or DLSS widely available that'll be enough for 4k RT on mid range cards, even if it's not as good as native 4k it's gonna be enough for most people.
true, literally the only thing keeping RT alive is Minecraft.... and that is only because DLSS exists
@@CHN-yh3uv It's more likely that RT will be matched by a Software based effect (See the new UE5 demo). "Look here are nice effects that doesn't cause your hardware to call you an asshole."
Leaving FSR and DLSS an option for people that just want to push a higher resolution or FPS out of their card by sacrificing some graphical fidelity.
@@Exile1a Crysis remastered has path traced global illumination in the engine and you don't need RT cores.
Can't wait for bigger machine to have an all AMD support. Would like both a 17 inch and 16 inch machine with this configuration.
I've heard RX 6800M is supposed to be close to a RX 6700 XT. Pretty impressive that they were able to pack a RX 6700 XT like gpu into a laptop.
Technically it is a 6700XT, just slightly down clocked and prolly binned for lower power consumption. There's literally no physical difference between the 6700XT and the 6800M, including the memory.
@@siyzerix That's not how it works, desktop 6800 is navi 21 and that will not exist in laptops.
@@hasnihossainsami8375 Thats what makes the name still confusing. Should've been called the rx6700m. And release a rx6800m that was basically a desktop rx6800 non xt. Holy fuck it'd have smoked nvidia. Probably beaten the rtx 3080 by 15-20%. And the rtx 3070 by 30-40%.
@@Supcharged Maybe it will, we'll see. The silicon exists to make an RTX 3080 killer, it's just a matter of if it's worth it for AMD to allocate the silicon for it. They need OEMs to sign up for taking an agreed amount of units first.
@@siyzerix lmao Nvidia is doing the same thing - their 3080 mobile is using the full GA104 chip which is the same chip that'll be used in the desktop 3070Ti. Desktop 3080 uses the GA102 chip, which isn't available for laptops.
Both AMD and Nvidia's top dies are way too big to put into laptops.
This looks great and for a channel that doesn’t normally do laptop reviews I think you did an amazing job. I’d be curious to see reviews in the coming months when FSR is available and implemented in more games, and weather it can better compete with Nvidia’s RT/DLSS combination.
The guts inside that laptop. Is quite staggering.
CHLAMYDIA GREEDFORCE
That price is real nice. So crazy that with RDNA2 AMD was able to get right up on next to Nvidia up and down and stack on desktop and mobile. I just wonder what's going to happen next, and with Intel getting into dGPU race, things about to get WILD.
We keep hearing that Intel's DG2 is going to be around RTX 3070 Ti performance. Since Intel has 0 dgpu market share, it means they NEED market share. So i am personally expecting some 1st gen Ryzen tier pricing with Intel's DG2 gpu's.
@@siyzerix Efficiency may have taking a dive but that's taking power into account. When you just look at performance to relative previous gen GPU, Nvidia has still been making jumps in performance.
@@Yoshimatsu414 The gtx 1050 on laptops was 50-60% faster than the gtx 950m. The gtx 1060 was a massive 2-3x faster than a gtx 960m. The gtx 1070 was nearly 2-3x faster than a gtx 970m. The gtx 1080 was almost 2x faster than a gtx 980m.
For turing the gtx 1650 was 40-50% faster than a 1050. The gtx 1660ti was 30-40% faster than a 1060. The rtx 2070 was about 30%ish faster than a 1070. The rtx 2080 was maybe 20% better than a gtx 1080. You can see the performance uplift was getting lower and lower.
And with ampere it reduced to mostly 20-30% uplifts.
No shit performance relative to previous generation gpu's is better. Otherwise whats the point. You'd be pulling a intel at that point.
Are we praising that we are getting any sort of performance uplifts? Because if so, now i can see how nvidia is raking in so much cash. People will defend anything from them. They could produce shit and people would still defend it.
@@siyzerix To be honest, I think part of the problem is that OEM's discontinue last gen products. If last gen products were still as readily available as new gen products (every single launch), then reviewers would constantly have to compare relative to last gen products.
Can you imagine if an RTX 3060 review told you to buy an RTX 2060 instead? That's one way to fix the problem.
Raytracing is terrible on AMD though... 3060s easily beat the 6800
Why didn't they put a 1440p screen instead of a 1080p? Seem like overkill with the 6800m.
funny how the 3080 laptop version gets 16gb vram and the 3080ti desktop gets 12gb .....................LOGIC
Look at 3060
Yes. Nvidia 3080 is 3060 and that is why it has either 8gb or 16gb…
@@artiew8718 The 3060 has more, slower RAM than the 3060Ti which is likely a cheaper overall cost.
The 3080 has more, slower RAM than the 3080Ti in the 16GB variant which is likely a cheaper overall cost.
The 3080 is also available in an 8GB variant which would be less, slower RAM which would obviously be a cheaper overall cost.
@@haukionkannel "3080 is 3060" meaning you think the mobile 3080 is a desktop 3060?
Sure, apart from the fact that the 3080 has almost twice the CUDA cores (3584 in the 3060 desktop and 6144 in the 3080 laptop), a different memory width (192 vs 256-bit), and memory sizes (which are a function of bus width)... absolutely the same GPU.
Oh man its been awhile since i see all flagship AMD laptop. 7970m was the beast back then
Thank you mustache Tim . Great work
Also great news for the laptop market👏
Hala sankara
نورت كنت بروح بعد هلمقطع عمقطك لكرت الشعب هههههه😂
Finally more options for the users.
Damn! It already come to a point when a laptop is much more cheaper than a video card. In my country RX6700XT GPU cost around 1500USD and sometimes more.
That's what I've been saying to people.
I've been around this tech longer than these reviewers and this has never happened and it's batshit insane.
Last time I had a Radeon GPU laptop was the 4650m in a 14 inch ASUS laptop. Sort of a powerhouse. Some 10 years ago.
I really appreciate the reminder with the desktop 3080 that no one with a 3080 mobile is getting nearly the same performance. Nvidia needs to take a lesson from AMD and name them separately if they won't name them appropriate to their performance.
FSR will make the 6800M even more powerful ! Ray tracing is not a big deal or a deal breaker !
Dlss is already available on the nvidia gpus!!!!
That's great for the price however Asus shouldn't have made a decision to include these slow RAMs.
Happy to see AMD really competing with Nvidia in the mobile market
The cynical side of me suspects the slower ram on the amd laptop was put in on purpose to gimp it's performance and Nvidia look better.
AMD certified the design including the memory spec which would be a bit odd, assuming the memory supply story isn't correct.
That is true. But timing on the ram is one of the last things people check when buying a laptop so this seems like an easy thing to go unnoticed by most people. Usually customers will just see 16GB at 3200 mhz and wouldn't inspect further. It's a good thing tech reviewers are bringing this issue into light.
2:40 That heatsink design looks cool though😍❤
Last time I was this early you could buy GPUs.
You missed to mention on how efficient 6800m behaves on battery only, compared to RTX mobile. Granted, either fence could probably only manage about an hour on battery.
Great review. But why do reviewers always mention features RTX Voice which has general altetnstives. But never mention Radeon Chill. Which for a laptop is a huge selling point. RadeonChill is great for MMOs and can save tons of power.
Amd is on a rampage. They're sick of being the bottom dog and are absolutely trying to become top dog and have no reason to wait for intel to catch up. I love this new AMD. We really needed this level of competition on the high end
I still haven an issue with the naming, it's a navi 22 chip but has the name of a navi 21 chip with a m suffix. It's less misleading than what nvidia does, but still not great.
First time going all RED with 10GB 6700M lol
It's absurd Nividia keeps handicapping the VRam on their offers!
Right now the 2 key questions are:
1. When will it be available in Australia? and
2. How much will it cost?
$1650 usd = expect around $2249-2499 aud
Sounds like close to the 3070 striz so 2799 but knowing Australian prices will somehow break 3000 just because we get charged sky high on everything
@@simster2759 I was literally about to pull the trigger on a 3070 lappy from Infinity. I hope the thing goes on sale soon rather than the usual couple months delay.
Something worth noting is that the 3080 mobile at 2560x1440 has a 40-50% shader advantage over the 6800M (3072 shaders with around 20-30% of them providing effective additional FP32 capacity).
Makes you wonder what kind of performance a hypothetical 6900M with a Navi 21 die could achieve, even though it would have to run at lower clock speeds. Double the shader count and cut clock speeds by 20%, say. If AMD weren't so wafer-constrained, they might have actually created such a product.
when i saw that AMD wasnt beating the 3080 consistently in performance my thought was that they need to hit Nvidia where it hurts and thats pricing and my gawd did they ever. 500-1K cheaper is nuts considering the AMD advantage has to have a 120hz IPS screen on the laptop.
I was just about to buy a 3060 laptop.... I guess i'll wait a bit more...
Every two months new things come out lul... After u buy something u ll get remorse in the next two months.
@@ajayprasadcelestial Wrong....
You buy something, don't watch new laptop or reviews for new laptops.
@@VatchGaming well youtube algo is a bitch...
@@ajayprasadcelestial if you keep 'I dont like this recommendation" it will disappear from your feed" :)
@@VatchGaming oh trust me i did it lot of times.. it still shows up
Very impressive, amd destroyed intel already, now nvidio
Nvidia is laughing 😅
Nvidiot
Nah, they didn't destroy them. If they did, then there would literally be no reason to buy an NVIDIA product.
As it stands, there are still plenty of reasons to go NVIDIA. It's just that AMD has become much more competitive in order to build up a very strong alternative
For Price/Raw performance agreed but RT performance and DLSS can be a game-changer. I have a desktop with 5700 XT and a laptop with an RTX 3080, AMD's drivers were always had problems. They should work more on the software side.
Let AMD fan boys crying. Watch other reviews is not even close, they changing memory for help amd in overall performance.
I just wonder when these laptops will be avaliable because I can't find any.
I'm really happy to see what they're doing with price on the 6800m. Sure, it might not beat the 3080, but if its cheaper than a 3070 laptop, then that's a huge win.
I'm excited to see how the 6700m stacks up, and where it's priced. It's 10gb vram buffer should make it a bit more future proof. With mobile Ampere, if you want more than 8gb of vram, you need to step all the way up to a top-end 16gb 3080 config.
Would love to see difference between 6800M and 6700XT Desktop
It's not apples to apples though since you can't have the same cpu/ram
The title needs to be changed. "The 6800M. Faster than the 3080 mobile?" Is what it SHOULD say. No one would ever assume a laptop video card is faster than a desktop variant in it's tier.
300Hz screen is obviously overkill. No webcam is interesting but in postpandemic it's probably a bad move. Good keyboard layout even if it has some childish design. A dedicated display port would be nice as those connectors are more secure and as I'm not sure the USB-C cable routes display through the GPU (also it's advertised as G-sync compatible, whut)
A GPU we might actually be able to buy! ...we'll see
3:28 oof that red
Already hearing news of nvidia bribing OEMs in China. Don't know it is true or false. Let's wait and see how OEMs implement the RX6000 GPUs.
I hope this time I see more laptops with RX6700M.
The thumbnail's like damn, that's a big laptop!
The price is really good, now if I can buy one is another matter hahaha
Gj asus, they went hard on AMD, they even have AMD cpu on their products front page in certain region 👍
3:15 - That warranty sticker on the freaking screw!
The 6800M should be the 6700M being that it's an underclocked 6700XT. Since they're pricing it near the 3070 Laptop anyway, it would've been better for marketing to call it 6700M beating the 3070 Laptop and even occasionally the 3080 Laptop.
Performance for money best yet. Smart shift+resizeable bar double boost comparable to 3080 price of 1650 usd can't go wrong. Unless some people fancy 16' with higher refresh rate like legion 5 pro on Lenovo website 3070 version cost almost 2 grand. Even some 3060 version cost same price as 6800m version so why not get this one?
Amd is killing it !!
I would have brought that 6800m laptop, but since AMD will release its Fidelity FX, I think my gtx1060 omen is still good enough since its still working fine.
IF nvidia will allow you to use it...amd just droped the mic on the stage, showing that it even works on nvidia gpu´s, now its up to nvidia to actually enable it and optimice there drivers for there gpu´s. intel already anounced, that they will add support for it on there gpu´s and they are working together with amd for the implementation
So, who paid ASUS to ship review units with gimped memory? Hmmmmm.
Eagerly waiting for reviews on rx6600m. Wanna see how it performs in comparison to rtx 3060. Need a laptop pretty soon.
I know I wouldn't pay a dime more for dlss on a laptop. 1080p is too low a Rez to allow dlss to even match how ”good” aka dogshit that it looks at 1440p.
Do we know what the release date is for this laptop or pre-orders? I’ve been looking to upgrade from my Dell G3 3590, and the AMD 6800m is what I’ve been waiting for.
Going allAMD laptop this year for sure!
For people planning to buy this, check the serial number, if it starts with M7, it's the newer version that comes with updated better ram [ Just purchased]
Hardware unblocked
I have the same laptop running a modified version of Arch Linux called mizOS. I love it!
Asus' "current market constraints" is pure BS! They are shipping crappy memory in laptops for many years now.
They are customer friendly constrants ;)
I hope that AMD will launch an MXM variant of the 6800M, 6900M, 6900XT, 6800XT(same as desktop) and 6700M
similar performance and 500$ cheaper? go AMD!
Would be awesome to see a 6900m with 140-160 watts with 3072 shaders and 128mb of Infinity Cache which is highly binned and instead of being 500$ cheaper than the 3080 offerings, maybe like 100-200$ cheaper.
Only if AMD made the notebook themselves.
So at this point, no.
#freePalestine
What we need more are low power GPUs for Ultrabooks, similar to Nvidia’s Max Q. As well as Mobile SKUs that can be used by ARM makers on their SoC.
So impressed you chose games that are not cpu bound. These gpu are to strong for 1080p
Having recently bought a 5800H+3060 laptop for 1900$ this gives me huge buyers remorse.
Hopefully we get a Legion 5 Pro 5800H 6800M...would be fantastic.
A few years later, found this exact laptop open box for $850. Feel this is a pretty solid deal.
great deal man, the 6800m has aged like fine wine, not to mention its a 12gb gpu that will benifit in newer titles. You don't have to play on ultra settings to enjoy a game, this gpu plays everything I have thrown at it so for medium-high 1440p.
@@xKevmachinex I unfortunately had to return it. Laptop was constantly overheating (not while playing games) and would randomly reboot. Reboots got so bad I could barely log into windows. There's a few forums on the random reboots and terrible liquid metal application from the factory. I know why it was returned to BestBuy now lol
As long as we're not stuck with Vega in 2021!
Awesome Job swapping out the terrible base Ram so that we can get a more fair and accurate assessment of performance! Kudos to Jarrod for discovering the suboptimal RAM issue weeks ago with Lenovo Legion 5 pro.
Why not market it as a 6700M and market against the 3070 mobile? Seems like it would be better to take the win on comparisons and be seen as a great 3080 mobile alternative.
That feel when a laptop is now faster than my Desktop..