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Just Buy It! Nvidia Doesn't Want You To Know How This GPU Performs, GeForce RTX 3080 12GB
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Heck yeah, $500 extra for 2gbs of more VRAM, where do i sign up!?
@@Willay323 you'll just need a credit card to get started.
I don't get the appeal of this product. Looking at the US prices the cheapest 3080 12gb is $1250 while the cheapest 3080 ti costs $1210
Int that a 85% markup?
If you look at the 3080Ti, they have an actually cheaper MSRP. This only gives the stores and scalpers a reason to raise their 3080Ti price even more.
And Nvidia has the balls to even say that their intention in buying ARM is to 'promote' competition from their rival company...
I figure they probably wanted to dip into the cpu market, as they will be losing marketshare, rather soon, to intel and amd, - since the rival companies both got their cpu and gpu combos. A lot of the mobile/laptop products will go full intel and amd and nvidia might get left out
@@robiocraft2383 Yeah that makes sense but this world will become hell if nvidia purchases arm
@@robiocraft2383 they have made mobile ARM CPUs in the past. Nothing is stopping them
Nope. In capitalism, one of the goals is to consolidate property. If Nvidia really worded their statement about ARM like so, they are lying to you about promoting competition. The opposite is true - it's about eliminating competition in order to usher a monopoly.
thats why so many ppl dont want that deal to happen, since they know that nvidia doesnt say truth
Absolutely NOT a pointless video. It's an absolutely _necessary_ video, to inform potential customer of what's going on.
Good video but why keep showing the founder's edition card? There's not going to be a 12gb fe
HUB doesn't make pointless videos, they are intelligent professionals with a good sense of humor.
We know what's going on. Nvidia is taking advantage of the pandemic and they have the right to do so.
@@dakrawnik4208 imagine hospitals do the same... They have the right to do it?
@@scanx6163 what kind of example is that.... hospital aint your private company.
The worst part about this is how Nvidia is so profitable they would likely lose nothing by not being this dodgy. This is the kind of behavior you expect from a company that's about to go under, not a market leader valued in the billions.
What's a few bucks more for them when there's no one important enough to fight it?
Yup, stop feeding the green pig!!!
Miners will just blindly buy them anyway, all these cards are just for miners.
You would also expect this of monopolies without proper regulation...
AMD has an opportunity to dick stomp them with market share if they kill it on price and delivery for RDNA3
Lovely, Nvidia now has GPU's with dynamically overclockable prices!
Thank you for the laugh 😆
Nice!
Yeah they overclocked it twice their amount! Lasts longer for 2x your salary
@@shredderorokusaki3013 950 for a 6700 XT? yikes lmao
yikes indeed
As long as miners and scalpers run amock and gamers are desperate enough to pay whatever for a brand new GPU they're probably not so desperately in need, these type of anti-consumer bs will continue. Kudos to you guys for calling companies' shady practices out. Cheers
I love this "review" straight call out. Reviewers need to stand up and call the BS for what it is. It takes a lot to stand up against one of the companies that drives your content.
I used to like Invidia but they have been playing a lot of games (no pun intended) over the last few years.
They didn't exactly say everything there is to be said about this issue because that would become quite "political" even if it's smack in the face of our own realities as we speak.
I'm loving the callout that some reviewers are doing lately with nvidia. This is honestly really souring a ton of people's opinion on nvidia and only fueling the fire for AMD & Intel's stock, which hopefully means nvidia finally crashes back down to earth but I doubt it.
@@DunderHead.5000 Maybe I'm getting old, NVidia has always been like that.
Not to mention nvidia selling batches of GPUs to miners and joining the FLUX crypto thing....
Given the 3080 Ti is like 5% faster than the 3080 10GB card, the 12GB 3080 will barely be any faster and is just a way to phase out the original 3080 and justify bumping the price considerably.
Yes its just complete BS now isnt it. Such a dense product stack of 3080 and 3090 cards all in a 15% performance bracket. Also it says to me 40-series may be on the way soon. With the dense product stack they are clearing out all the 30xx chips they've binned over the last 18 months. Now its time for them to sell all the chips to a desperate market before 40-series makes them all obsolete.
@@kenwilliams3279 The 40-series will not make older cards obsolete at all just because something is new doesn't mean the older generations will be useless many like my self have older cards that work just fine to this day. Obsolete may be some what of thing if they stop producing new drivers for newer games but even then people have figured out how to take driver code from newer cards & add it to older not support cards. And they will still be making some of those 30-series cards as well look like magic we got a older 2060 card back as well. Not that many wanted to see this card again shit I am just fine with my 980 ti. Think of it this way most new games are rushed so much that they runs like shit game then some are like it must be my pc they go out & get a new pc & guess what the game still runs like shit. it's a trap 🤣 to keep getting consumers thinking they need to spend more more on the latest & greatest even when most of the new Triple A titles most will not play for more than a week in most cases .
@@digitaltactics9234 by obsolete - i just mean obsolete to nvidia, not the user. If as a company you have a new product in the wings, then you move your current stock out the door. I run 3080 cards for numerical modelling (no thats not another way of saying crypto) and yeh those cards are gonna be relevant to me for years - definitely not obsolete - as even when the time comes I'll have to mortgage the house to upgrade!! So pissed off with nvidia. All theyre doing is setting the future price for GPUs. MSRP will never be seem again. Maybe i am just too pessimistic 😭
Seems that Nvidia thought that they priced the 3080 at MSRP too low.
3080 Ti is more like 10-15% faster than 3080 at 4K+ gaming, which is the point of 3080 Ti (and 3090 series) anyway.
This is why I'm a patreon member! We need channels like yours to stand up to this bull****. Keep it up HUB!
Thx
So how do the 2 relate? Channels could stand up for whatever without having a patreon account. I'm glad that this channel has the balls to do it. Stand up stuff like this will only get noticed by more people if people don't have to pay to watch it. Most people can not afford added costs like that. I my self can not right now and cost of living is increasing everywhere but where I am its already hard to get by without the increase.
Cheers.
@@nightshocker6908 Members help the channel buy hardware when they get blacklisted by hardware companies. I don't know what kind of drugs you're on to think this is somehow about member exclusive content.
@@nightshocker6908 nvidia already tried to just flat out ban HUB from sourcing cards at all out of some level of personal spite.
Can't really be an effective reviewer on TH-cam if you can't get the product in, in time, to document your findings and be able to have a review in a timely manner.
I never understood people who pays real money to youtubers for playing games or reviewing hardware, so you must be on hard drugs. If they can’t afford it by themselves they should just close the channel lol. Also i always laugh at people telling me it’s their job. Seriously? Working at hospital, as a truck driver, lawyer, making games, working as a policeman, firefighter and many more. These are real jobs, not playing games or reviewing stuff on youtube🤣
We had a sample arrive a couple weeks ago and there was no info provided to us about launch date etc. Such a weird launch.
GPUs cost more than entire PCs a decade ago
@@sausages932 that depends on the budget
@@jordanwardle11 more like the budget depends on this.
@@sausages932 So true. First PC I built was $1200, second $2,200. Yet a 3090 costs $3,000. It's made me lose all interest in PC building. NVIDIA/AMD taking advantage of its customers.
@@stormchasingk9 gotta attach some years to that statement. My first PC was just over a grand too, but that was 20 years ago.
I think this is one of the most important videos you guys have released. Thanks for taking a stand against NVIDIA's ongoing anti-consumer practices.
It only works if the sheep do as well. This video is all fine and well but as long as people are stupid enough to be willing to pay MORE for an RTX 3080 than even an RX 6900 XT (let alone the 6800 XT), the effort of this video will be for nothing.
so now nvidia sells 5 gpus that are inside a 15% performance difference wtf
3080, 3080 Ti, 3090, 3090 Ti? EDIT: Of course, this coming card 3080 12 GB. I must be tired.
yeah they just filled that segment with cards, not to create variety, but to increase prices with every new card. And now no MSRP is the final iteration. I can't wait for this shortage to end, god damn
3060ti, 3070, 3070ti perform almost the same, so do 3080, 3080 12GB, 3080ti, 3090, new rumoured 3090ti
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 I'm taking about the 3080, 3080 12gb , 3080ti , 3090 , 3090ti
@@slay3rgamingyt The 3070ti is 27% faster on average than the 3060ti and 20% faster than the 3070.
And I heard some people are saying that Nvidia, AMD, etc., are just as angry at this chip shortage as we are.
No, my friends, they are not. They are absolutely loving this.
Exactly, their chips are sold before they're even finished being manufactured. Part of why we're only just now seeing the lower end (and lower profit margin) cards.
@@the48thronin97 ...and even those are a rip-off!
Exactly, who’s ever heard a company angry at selling literelly as much product at they can make and at inflated prices, they are capitalising on this and absolutely loving it
You're making a false equivalency. I'm quite certain that nVidia is loving it more.
You're right. They can care less that scalpers buy the majority of product. They're still selling all their units. That's all they care about. Fu'k the actual consumers who haven't been able to get a card for 2 years.
Props to MSI for providing a card for you, it shows confidence in their product, even if Nvidia doesn't
I think that's more likely just to maintain a good working relationship with HUB. The card will sell out in seconds anyway, so this gesture is not in any way meaningful to the customers.
@@lajkutya Well whatever the reason, they were the only one to provide a card.
@@KOBKStreak Is the bar so low in 2022 that they deserve a thank you for putting in a minimal effort to promote a product they want to sell for heaps money?
@@lajkutya reward effort particularly when no one is expending such effort is how you incentive people to do the effort in the first place.
there must be a driver somewhere, MSI did test it with something, just Nvidia is a shit of a company and does not want to release it to public even in a beta form
I would love to have the opportunity to even decide to buy a 3080 10gb vs 12gb. I think it's ridiculous that they're still releasing new products when there isn't enough supply for people to get it anywhere near msrp. Frankly it's straight BS.
I got one a month ago.
Walked into the local PC store.
An ASUS TUF3080 was just sitting on the shelf.
I gave the man £600 and now its in my PC.
@@sahhull holy shit fam 600 (which is €840) is to good of a deal m8 i got mine in the nl for over msrp €900 back when they first launched its now but about 1,5k-2k euro over here
@Northy That's awesome man. Unfortunately here in the States, there aren't any brick-and-mortar stores that carry it in my area unless I want to camp out overnight in front of a Best Buy. Maybe I should move across the pond. 😁😉
@@drsev61 yeah, move to third world countries because you can’t get a gpu…. Makes sense
@@mikerzisu9508 well u can probably get a GPU there
As usual, you guys at Hardware Unboxed have absolutely stayed exactly where you should and have since the very beginning: on our side, the consumers. Thanks for sticking it, even if just a little bit, to these companies whose only interest in us is below the waist, and I don't mean just in our pockets.
Our feet?
@@mr.riposte2280 🌽🕳
nVidia: "we are not dictating prices, it's the companies that make GPUs based on our chips, it's their fault for asking over a thousand bucks for 3080! Blame them!"
clearly jensen has a gun to his head in wanting those sweet near-60% margins when selling to aibs.
it sucks how not even competition drives down prices anymore.
the market seems to have trended towards "the price of a product is whatever a person is willing to pay for it".
@@buzzworddujour What competition? There is none.
Unfortunately AMD is on the same path - meaning we have a nasty future ahead of os !
@@baronsengir187 AMD ! Not everything is about raytracing !
@@Thomasdk1405 Has nothing to do with raytracing. There is no price competition when you only have 2 parties and their stock sells out. Not to mention the low amount of suppliers. There just is not much competition anymore. And with all the pots nvidia has its fingers in, they do not even have to care.
So the 3080 10GB will cease to exist, and now the 12GB version is an excuse to raise the price. Edit: Seems like I commented too soon, as you hold the same opinion.
That extra 2GB is totally worth a 100% markup in mrsp between those cards...
I'll stick to 3D printing my 3080 cards
Not sure if Nvidia realizes it but they are ensuring that computer building as a hobby fades from viability. I really wanted to get into computers but I just cant. Ive been stuck with a 4gb 1650 for almost 3 years (and I know for a fact that other people have it much much worse). I don't play modern AAA games anymore because i just can't. At this point I'm gonna be looking at getting a PS5 in the future (the future of PS5 is looking really good especially after the announcement of PSVR2).
Its crazy to think that as the boat was sinking, the PC master race shot it self in the foot and now there's a bunch of people looking to go back to consoles. I was happily ready to give nvidia $500 (price of a PS5) for the 3070, but after the whole internal scalping/crypto miners situation it just made me question just how much I really want/need a GPU. At this point im gonna end up getting a second hand gpu so the I can sleep like a baby knowing that I didn't give NVIDIA or any of these other two faced companies a single penny of my money.
AMD ftw
It is very short sighted of them to be indifferent to the miners scalping the market. Over the past two decades PC gamers have been propping that company - if they keep up this sh1t they'll lose customers in the long run. And those miners can eat a bag of ****s
This "review" is why I come to Hardware Unboxed and a very few others for all my purchase decisions regarding PC hardware. It's so refreshing not sitting through the "sales pitch" that other reviews have. Simple and straight to the point when your spending hard earned cash on products you rely on for fun and work. Keep it up.
I really like your clear words and standpoints. Insane how far this channel has come. From unboxing stuff to my (and many others) personal „best in class“ benchmarking and review channel for PC gaming. Keep it up, I‘m going to support this attitude. 👍👍
Yep, for me this guys and Gamer Nexus are my "go to" of honest and reviews.
yes this channel is nice for gaming peripherals and whatnot, gamer nexus for hardware parts and hardware busters international for PSUs and related products
"Nvidia Doesn't Want You To Know How This GPU Performs"
More importantly, Nvidia doesn't want you to know how much this GPU costs, or even is _supposed_ to cost.
One of the biggest German Online retailers has a MSI Gaming Z 12 GB 3080 for 1699€
obviously its gonna perform between 3080 and 3080ti, no msrp on release day is insanity tho
$1249 USA for Evga xc3 and $1299 for ftw3
€1636 for the strix model.
@@MrrTuuTorial Don't forget to remove VAT when comparing to MSRP. The VAT in Germany is 19% so the "MSRP comparable price" is €1427.75 ($1623.32).
No need to worry about the no reviews part of it, there isn't anyone selling them that I can find.
Chapeau bas for that video. Probably you will loose any support from nvidia with that story, but you have really earned some loyal viewers in exchange.
If Nvidia never did anything shady, I would never have started watching your channel! Keep up the great work guys!
Nothing but amazing comprehensive reviews from HU, Nvidia *existing* or not. 👍
Same. Never heard of you guys until the blacklist thing.
Same here, best advertising ever!
I'm glad we're keeping the memory of the just buy it article still alive.
It was a two part editorial as far as I remember with opposing opinions. But all people seem to remember is the "just buy it" part.
Ironically I followed the "just buy it" strategy in 2020 and got a 3090 FE for MSRP. Never would I have thought that this could have been a good decision. At first I was thinking a lot about just selling it. Turns out to be one of the best PC hardware purchases I did in my life. Got a huge desk + monitor since I am now living the home office life anyways and played any game with maxed settings ever since. Besides the card heats my home while generating profits 2 winters in a row. With inflated prices for my used card the price wasn't even that crazy to begin with(many seem to forget their current GPU is probably worth more than they paid years ago).
Still can't believe how it doesn't feel bad to have bought a 1560€ GPU 1,5 years ago. The most I have spent before was ~300€.
Waiting from the hate monger Hippie Tressemme Califonication boy to blow dry his hair.
Maybe us PC gamers should just ditch our platform for a couple of years and just get a console until they iron out this abhorrent behavior. Consumers can drive change, they just have to be willing to do it.
even consoles are hard to come by though, but yeah a ps5 or xbox series x is an insanely good deal hardware wise compared to the current pc market. You also get added benefits of console exclusives and automatic optimisation , no need to fiddle with settings, etc.
I'm just keeping my current PC. I had the luck of getting a 2070 near when it released just because I wanted a 1080 & it was actually cheaper than a second hand 1080. No way am I going to pay any GPU manufacturer these awful prices for a new GPU...
Just don't play the latest games, the PC has thousands of games since the 90s that are natively playable on the latest hardware and Windows version. Most PC gamers have tons of games in their steam library and tons of good games are available for
Exactly. It would hurt all the more because the Playstation and Xbox use AMD graphics 🤣
With these high prizes, PC gaming will die as a mainstream platform anyway. It needs the numbers of entry level guys. We are already third, after mobile and console, for big companies. Didn't buy a 3090 for 1600€, will not buy it 2000+€. I will not be the suc|
You guys are certainly some of the best in the business! Thanks so much for these awesome open and honest videos.
F' Nvidia. After their scams with low memory cards, bs supply, trash tiering of sku's, etc etc. I'm holding out for a good 6800xt. They've lost a customer that's never used anything except Nvidia since I first started building computers.
Guarantee they held onto these 12GB 3080 models so they could flog off the 10GB models first, then bump up price of the 3080 to close the rather large gap between it and the 3080ti, using that extra 2gb of vram as a juicy little sales incentive.
During the christmas period it was possible to get 3080ti aorus extremes and the likes from some aussie ebay retailers for the price of a regular 3080 with ebay plus codes anyway... let's see how they price this, and lets see how long it lasts before the scalpers and miners sell it out for 6 months
Why do you think there hasnt been 10gb stock anywhere for the last few months, could see this from a mile away they were discontinuing as soon as there were rumors of the 12gb model
Nvidia ceasing production of the 3080 10gb model for the past few months led to my system integrator selling me a 3080ti for below msrp, so at least some good came out of it
Im sure this was all planned 2 year ago. They have next gen products ready to go but choose to hold them to milk every bit of money.
@@brendanbutkus2392 There's no immediate evidence that this is the case in the popular australian online retailers. Still plenty of stock of 3080 10Gs, they've always been '1 per household' ... though STILL being au$2500 and up for any of the _worthwhile_ cards might just be keeping stock on shelves at this point.
It should better for future NOT to use 384-bit interface. 320-bit, 20GB, 18gbps GDDR6 with huge L3 cache should be more than enough for consumers. Jensen should be forced to resign, and it should be acquired by Intel or TSMC to become another IDM. The future GeForce should follow RDNA2/3 way. Reduce SMs, simplify SM architecture to single block of shaders, tensor core, and RT cores. Then bump up higher clock speed, and L3 cache between L2 and vram. Double VRAM capacity, and the flagship capped at 320-bit, 20GB G6/G7. Use JEDEC only. I would rather to see meager performance gain but more than 50% lower power draw. Then VR ready should be all the way from top to bottom of the stack. If you increase SM clock by 33%, rasterization up by 33%, RT up by at least 40%. 60 is the new 50, 70 is the new 60, 80 is the new 70, and 80 is the halo product. For pro workstations, the naming should be GeForce Pro Studio instead of RTX Axxxx. It should follow how Radeon Pro did
Splitting the GA-102 5 different ways in a chip shortage lol I'd be shocked if the regular 3080 is even being made at this point. They clearly regret ever releasing that card at that MSRP. I'm guessing this is just going to replace it entirely going forward at a much higher price like $999.99.
I got a 3080 at launch for $700 (MSRP) but the 10GB is a shame. Strange that to get the same card with a bit more memory, I'm probably looking at 50% price hike. What a strange time.
The RTX 3080 was never real.
You seem like a good business man :D of course they will dry out 3080 supply, yes..
They had to release at $700 because the 6800xt MSRP is 650
@@thomasschraubt7497 Why the sarcasm? Stupid reaction.
For me, the damage is done. They clearly NEVER wanted to sell the 3080. They keep on adding cards to make them more money on the same chips. I used to be team green. They were my first gpu choice. Not anymore. With crap like this, I can no longer support them. I will continue buying AMD.
Yep, they're gatekeeping GPU pricing by adding more and more cards to the product stack, they're going to fight tooth and nail to keep these prices inflated for as long as possible
It’s the contrary the 3080 is the most popular card. That’s why it’s out of stock
Agreed.. its a shame that so many game developers are Nvidia simps....
Let’s not pretend AMD suddenly cares about you
@@ultraL2 Certainly not, but AMD hasn't pulled off as many crap moves as Nvidia. There are not 3 versions of the 6800XT where the price increases from model to model. I think they have a little more qualms about showing their greed so openly.
That's the "editorial direction" I like.
Everything nvidia does is anti-consumer.
Scalpers and miners have had nearly complete control of the stock and pricing of graphic cards for well over a year. Even with a day one review, normal consumers will not be able to purchase this card at whatever MSRP is set. The graphic cards will only be in stock in the secondary market with insane mark-ups.
Hopefully someone makes a crypto virus to kill bitcoins. And scalpers lose everything.
@@thefinalroman Mining is already a very wasteful and environment unfriendly when all those 300+ W GPUs are "eating and wasting" all the electricity for basically "nothing"!
That's how a free market works when the manufacturer don't mark their price up to market price. Non-monetary cost arise, a long quene, lucky draw, or just pay more to snatch the card from someone else.
I don’t think Hardware Unboxed realizes this. MSRP means nothing.
This is basically THE review as there was already very little difference between the 3080 and the 3080 Ti, so everyone can imagine where this product will land in terms of performance and power consumption. EVGA put up the basic XC3 version for 1399 euros (incl. 20% tax) which is already higher than the MSRP of the 3080 Ti so there's no surprise here. To be honest if you don't care too much about the performance when all the different ray-tracing features are enabled (lot of games only use it for shadows and lighting mind you) then just buy a Radeon RX 6800 XT for less than an RTX 3080 and call it a day. The second hand market will look crazy in a year anyway as most people will not be willing to sell their Ampere GPUs for half the price they paid for them...
There's quite a bit of difference with the 3080 and 3080 Ti. You're confusing the 3080 and the 3090 here. The 3080 Ti two things: If looking at it as an alternative to the 3090, then it's a great value at only 2% less performance in gaming. If you're looking at it as an upgrade to the 3080, then it's a more than 10% upgrade at a 70%+ price increase, to which I hope I need not say is not a good value, but hey 10% is 10%. So no, there is a lot of difference between the 3080 and 3080 Ti, but even with that the 3080 Ti is not worth it.
In Canada, where I'm at, the 3080 Ti makes a lot of sense actually, since even the regular 3080 can reach 3090 prices here. So when I bought my 3080 Ti, I was just like: "Well if I'm going to pay ridiculous prices, I might as well buy the best product I can short of the 3,000$+ 3090. So, I got the 3080 Ti. The 3090 is over 3000$ so I wasn't about to pay that and I only game, didn't need the beefy 3090 anyway. Again, this is all in Canada, where at the moment the 3080 Ti actually does make the most sense, since all the GPUs are so ridiculously expensive, if you're going to sell your arms and legs, might as well get a beast. Spending over 1,000$ for a 3070 to me isn't worth it when I can spend over 2,000$ for a 3080 Ti, which is a much faster card. Of course, 3070 and 3080 make the most sense at MSRP which we do not have.
@@p0tat0o the 3080 ti only makes sense to you because your basing it off an inflated msrp. In a normal market it was expected to be at most $800 but seeing opportunity nvidia pushed up a few hundred usd. So instead of buying a $500 3070 for $1000 you bought a $800 for $2000. Telling yourself it’s a 1k gpu is like saying the 3070 is a $625 by percent in this case and you’re really selling the 3070 short here as it is not a weak card in any regard it is a previous gen flagship
@@p0tat0o sheep
@@alexmills1329 Do remember I'm talking in Canadian terms here. MSRP for the 3080 Ti in the USA is 1,200$. In Canada, the MSRP is actually 1.5k $ or something around that. Due to Canadian $ being less valuable than the US $, Our prices here are higher. If I actually went to the USA to buy a 3080 Ti, even after conversion rates, I'd have saved a couple 100$. Also, I didn't say the 3070 is weak, I said it's weaker than the 3080 Ti, which is true
@@RafitoOoO Well, I wouldn't say I'm a sheep, I want the best I can get for my system and I can afford it. I do not recommend the average person to get a 3080 Ti, in fact I'd say go for a 1080 Ti or even a regular 1080 as they're much cheaper and few games even use ray tracing. If you really want a 30 series GPU, I'd say go for a 3060 Ti or a 3070. Let's not be rude here and calling someone a sheep for their opinion, I am well aware of how much money I spent for my GPU and I stayed within my means, hence why I didn't go for a 3090.
It has now become imperative that Intel Arc is competitive.
Shintel gpu won't even good enough to run Minecraft in 60 fps. Fuck Intel
@@m.n.s.s2825 Source?
@@rattan974 probably some comment... haha
@@rattan974 They never actually tried it. The the iGPU on the 7000 series can play Minecraft at 1080p 45 fps. I did it on a Pentium powered 7000 series NUC. Three or four core generations, dedicated memory, and a lot more cores yes the weakest model should get 1080p60.
Pushed back and bought a RX 6800 XT instead. No regrets, the price was insane but still a lot cheaper than any 3080 variant here.
EVGA has the 3080 10gb starting at 803$ USD and the 3080 12GB at 1,245$... over 400$ for 2 GB ddrx6 enjoy
Still can’t believe how many cards Nvidia is trying to sell during this shortage.
That makes them all scarce (thus letting them keep the prices bloated)
You mean how few cards of many types?
It's about creating reasons to push up prices
Worst part is, they are selling. Whether it's to gamers, scalpers or backdoor deals directly to miners.
Nvidia really trying to squeeze silicon binning to the max. Likely something to do with the tremendous demand
Wow when they Released the 3080 without 12GB originally I thought I'd wait and see what AMD had to offer, I ended up getting a 6900XT because it was the cheapest thing available after a few months of waiting.
Later on 6800XT were more expensive than what I paid for my 6900XT and the 6900XT was now 33% more expensive, I'm glad I over paid for it when I did. I can't believe the prices kept increasing!
I'm so glad I didn't by Nvidia, there BS is through the roof now. How anyone would buy a Nvidia card now is beyond me.
You and I both!! I have the reference model.
AMD is not much better though… have you seen how crippled the RX 6500XT is? The last Gen 5500XT is way better an almost every aspect, at least on paper.
Nvidia cards only make sense if you can buy at msrp and even then it feels scummy.
Because people dont care. They just want the fanciest shit they can get to enlarge their e-peen and impress their "peers", and nvidia is the "premium" brand.
In my country there is no option to even opt for AMD cards at MSRP. Nvidia is the only brand here selling through resellers at actual MSRP. Doesn't make it any easier but people have managed to grab nvidia founder cards at MSRP.
So happy i was able to snag an RTX 3080 back in 2020, when they released, for an msrp.
It's a joke ever since. I would keep it for years.
It's a Suprim X model, by the way.
Absolutely love the thing! It's huge, it's super heavy, it screams quality and feels amazing.
@@Yuu_Touko Wow, you got a really good deal!
@@nossy232323 I know right? It's an amazing product. A lot faster than my old GTX 1080 Ti. I've sold that thing to a friend and covered some of 3080's cost, which is nice as well.
Yep I feel you, I got my hands on a MSI RTX 3080 gaming X Trio for €869,- early December 2020. Can't believe what happened after that. Really feel for the guys that sold their rtx2080ti for a few honderd bucks just before release of the 3080 and 3090 and never getting their hands on one.
@@Carrinthe True. It's never a good idea to sell your current "any thing name" before actually getting your hands on a new one, especially a graphics card.
I wanted a TUF 3080 model very badly, but ended up with a Suprim X model which i'm very happy about. One of the best models there is. It's basically a Trio card on steroids.
Than is simple. Am not buying any GPU that Nvidia release right now.
I am in awe of the amount scumbaggery done by nvidia regarding the 3080/3080ti and 308012gb. They first tried to win the gamers over with the fake $700 msrp but soon realised they were missing out on that sweet scalper and miners money so they had to release not 1 but 2 more variants of the same card.
I honestly haven't been caring about the reviews (be it day-1 or not) of GPUs after seeing what the markets been like. Sure when they launched Ampere, I did watch all the reviews even though I'm not in the market to get one, but now reviews don't really matter if it isn't AVAILABLE at a SANE price to buy.
Exactly, for the past year I’ve barely watched any of these channels I once watched nonstop because there’s no reason to get excited about something I can’t easily get and I refuse to pay scalper prices. I guess my 1080ti will have to wait even longer to be upgraded.
Exactly. They've destroyed the entire market. No point in even looking at reviews if it's unobtainium.
They make really good products don't get me wrong, but they really are making it easier to switch to AMD
or Intel Arc
Agreed! And frankly, I'm hoping between them Intel and AMD squeeze nVidia into bankruptcy. Or at the very most, being a niche product for miners. But that's not likely to happen.
I've been refusing to buy nVidia cards ever since their FX of the early 2000s, really wish I hadn't traded my GF4 4600 in on an FX5800 back then. Turns out it was not an upgrade.
@@mugz6016 I want to buy Intels 512 EU model hopefully it comes soon. I don't want Nvidia to go but we need more than the big 2 to have innovation.
@@phoenixrising4995 Maybe we're lucky, maybe Intel disrupts the GPU space enough that it pulls nVidia around to being a bit easier to live with.
@@mugz6016 You're an idiot if you want Nvidia to go bankrupt instead of wanting them to improve as a company alongside Intel and AMD providing competition.
Consumers don't need one less company in the industry. For what? So AMD can become the new Nvidia or so Intel can take Nvidia's place?
3 players in the mainstream GPU space is way better for consumers. They'll keep each other in check.
Nvidia is such a sh!tbag company its scary 😂
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they one day morph into the Umbrella Corporation or Weyland Yutani
lets be honest here, almost no one is gonna NEED a 3080 unless for extreme gaming/streaming. Just like how few people needed a 1080 back in the day, which at least was priced very reasonably.
Most of us need either a 3060 or 3070 (tis or not). Instead of making more of these they chose to make more higher end models. Does this look like they are trying to help the gaming market or, you know, the other one?
Man I love Nvidia! I admire how their business decisions make me appreciate the outside world!
:)) Hell yeah, let's play Team Fortress with snowballs.
@@invidios I'm in! Catch you outside!
@@shredderorokusaki3013 Regarding this madness, last night I searched the internet and discovered something that worried me. Exaggerated interest in crypto currency mining. The two big companies have discovered a new market (I know it's not from yesterday, today) but if a player buys a video card for 2-3 years, there is a segment that buys by the tens / hundreds. Maybe that's why the exaggerated prices and their lack on the market. In the next post I will tell you a story.
@@shredderorokusaki3013 no.
@@shredderorokusaki3013 I knew a club of architecture students in my country. Decent prices, rock / pop music. If you were a student, admission was free. Over time, the club began to crowd. The management decided that the boys should pay a symbolic fee ($ 10) and that it should be free for the girls. It worked for a while but in the end it was still full, so they introduced the tax for girls ($ 10) and for boys they increased it to $ 20. The club started to be decently busy, but because only students with financial possibilities entered, they attracted another category. Gangsters who were attracted to much more makeup, more permissive girls and scandals everywhere. It was the moment when the students disappeared and the club turned into a gangsta paradise.
My Strix 1080ti is proving to be the best money I've ever spent. Still a beast. I've had thousands of hours gaming on it... And thousands more hours to come, judging by this bullshit.
Exact same card...exact same story my guy LOL!!
Same
I’m so jealous, been wanting a 3070 since 2020 after sitting on my r9 390 for years, and you can really feel its age now
Damn you should probably go outside
@@tonysoprano655 You do realize that the 1080ti has been out for 5 years soon?
I feel like it's almost always MSI that sends you product when others doesn't, big up to them
Because MSI learned the hard way
So this kills the last shred of hope that some people had that having their name on a waiting list would get them a 3080 at MSRP eventually...
I think it's like this: The 3090Ti is like Jensen has envisioned the Card. The 3090 was a stopgap, since no 2GB VRAM Chips were available. Now the 3090Ti replaced the 3090 and now Nvidia has too much 1GB VRAM Chips in stock. Thats why the 3080 get 2 more.
This gotta be a new low, the fresh 511.17 driver ONLY support RTX 3080 12GB and nothing else, NVIDIA, well played.
It also supports the RTX 3080 10GB, and the next major driver will be out on friday.
I have been team green for many years ever since I built my first PC as a child. I have tried to stick to team green throughout the past couple years but over the past few releases I have slowly started to shift and at this point I can definitely say that I will not be buying any Nvidia products for the foreseeable future. AMD has their own problems and it sucks that there aren't any other real options but I see AMD as easily the lesser of two evils right now.
They are as bad as each other.
It's a result of an industry without any competition. It's a duopoly in which both companies are quite happy not really competing on price.
sadly AMD is not one hair better, they play their own game of lies and BS. People say AMD is strong, but they need half the manufacturing size, double the cores , and twice as much cache. No , AMD sucks just as much. But consumers are stupid cow's that will follow, follow, so they can swallow like a good ho...and pay for it on top.
@@youtubevanced4900 there is competition, AMD vs Nvidia.
If AMD wasn’t there, nothing would be keeping them from having these kind of prices 5 years ago.
@@diaman_d "They need half the manufacturing size, double the cores , and twice as much cache." Technicalities on these statements aside, how does any of that matter to the consumer? What matters is price, performance, platform, heat and features. The things that actually affect the user's experience. AMD was better in almost all of those categories until Alder Lake released.
Besides, why are any of those things bad practice anyway?
@@loekhabets8698 if only consumers knew what they wanted or what they 'needed'. They are all being taken by the hand by marketing stories dictating them what they should buy or not buy. Well that doesn't work on me. It's a circus of liars and showoffs, most need the latest to even feel good about themselves, i pity what this world of humans has become.
Nvidia are clearly scared that they'll have another product (accurately) described as a waste of sand and an up yours to consumers.
lol scared. they sell every single chip. EVERY: SINGLE. ONE.
they are laughing in billions of dollars right now.
@@TNM001 might be laughing at the costs, but when AMD has managed to slap 2 companies hard on 2 different market segments it really begs the question. Nvidia can only go downhill from here just like Intel have with there CPUs. AMD already caught up and exceeded nvidia more than even I thought they would. they have a DLSS competitor (not as good) but still a damn site better than I expected. Intel same again they have a DLSS competitor lined up. GPU wise AMD sits #1 here for both price and performance across an average (select games will ofc sway to either side) hence an overall average. the only advantage nvidia have here is "driver support" which is slowly going out the window with the CONSTANT driver problems they have had since ampere's launch (and I mean every driver since then)
I wont touch nvidia again till I see actual consumer friendly GPUs, tech innovation (seems like only AMD does this)
I hope many big channels will make videos like this! Props to you guys!
I was fortunate enough to get a 3060Ti yesterday. My friend was at Best Buy and saw 3 of them just lying around on the shelf. I was there in 30 minutes.
NVIDIA, we are on the side of gamers LOL
Thank you as always for your honesty and bravery Steve
On the back side, with a pitchfork, poking at the arse shaped piñata.
Nvidia won't have a cent from me anymore.. i want to see intel arc and mybe amd stuff. The way they are treating their costumers is ridiculous. We'll see how many people will switch after all this shortage will end, i'm sure a lot. I hope more competition will bring them back to earth.
we hear something like this for more than a decade already.
@@arenzricodexd4409 yeah, nothing will change.
Yeah we are in an abusive relationship with nvidia.
Since when nvidia has not been dodgy and anti-consumer??? Been using AMD and rather live with the weaker gpu performance for many years now. I simply refused to buy those green greedy gpu
The 6900xt is actually really competitive. And in some titles performs as well if not slightly better then the RTX 3090. And is way less expensive.
i have used my pc without graphic card for months now and am in no rush to get one too...🥂
I'm not really an AMD fan, but its highly unlikely I'd return to nvidia any time soon... seeing the hordes of fanboys brainwashed by marketing of RT and DLSS only made me distance more from them...
I am expecting 3095 TI Super in the summer.
For the modest sum of 10 000 euro.
Reminds me of capcom
I went with 6700xt, managed to grab new for 580€ in August so happy about it.. and to my surprise i have 200x better experience compared to nvidia when it comes to things like not being forced to DL driver before launching a game or, updating driver just working properly without need to do a DDU wipe like i had to with 1070ti all the time.. unless you need encoder or raytracing which i couldnt care less about i woudnt even consider nvidia anymore for now
AMD drivers are shit, always have been...
@@jacobleb420 POV: you are living in the past
been using 970 and 3060Ti. don't need to DDU when installing new driver. never being forced to download driver to launch game either.
The only benfit of Nvidia is dlss.
@@opbush5272 AMD have always stumble. they are fine right now but in the future when they make another major architecture change you will see something like what happen to RX5700 XT.
I went from a 2060 to a 6700xt reference card last July. I managed to get lucky and I got it for $700 CAD. At first I was worried about leaving behind the Nvidia ecosystem, but I have had no regrets. Both AMD and Nvidia have scummy practices, but it feels like team green is a lot more scummier with launches like this..
What were AMD's scummy tactics?
@@noleftturnunstoned 6500 XT at 199 MSRP
@@HelloOnepiece So what do you want them to do? Sell below market? You're dreaming.
@@noleftturnunstoned I would expect them to have the official price reflect the performance, MSRP is a suggested price based on the performance and production of the product, how the prices end up in shops is another question
I got the gigabyte gaming OC 12g version for $1000, its back at $1200 but its still a great card
I see what you guys from HU did there. Very subtle, though very straightforward.
Well done.
Thank you very much, Steve! It takes balls to publish a video like that. But I think it's really good that you dare to do it and I hope that the other tech-tubers will follow suit. It's a pity that we can't do anything about this situation, because even if all gamers refrain from buying, the miners will buy up everything. Congratulations, Jensen... you won.
Well, it appears that after being a lifelong Nvidia patron, I'll now be giving Intel GPU's a good look as they come out. All the dodgy behavior from Nvidia(and AMD I suppose) as of late gives me pause about purchasing anything Nvidia anymore. As it is, I had to buy an RX 6600XT because it was all I could get my hands on at a price that wasn't obscene from a retailer. And as it happens, it performs quite well relative to my old GTX1060. Thank you for opening my eyes to other GPU options Nvidia.
It says a lot that we're looking at Intel in order to avoid dodgy behavior. 😶
I mean the only dodgy thing AMD is doing is putting realistic MSRP's on their cards instead of an undervalued MSRP that simply doesn't exist. There aren't rumors of them intentionally lowering productions of their lower tier cards to keep the supply and demand chain clogged and keep prices up. Or many claims they are making cards just for crypto and trying to pretend they are for gaming. I dunno AMD seemed to be actually trying. I intended to get a 3060 TI or a 3070. But when I got a chance to buy a rx 6700 xt direct from AMD for msrp I jumped on it. I am more than happy with the card, so maybe that has biased me in this conversation. I doubt I will be able to afford another GPU for several years but I do hope that things work out with the Intel GPU's another competitor could be the thing we need to help gamers get cars.
I'm considering the top of the line Intel GPU depending on reviews...be the first time I've considered moving away from green & red.
@@NovaDoll That's because of rabid NVIDIA fanboys. Hell, if it weren't for the tech press, they would have gotten away with it and almost did in fact. The same fanboys who refused to ever buy AMD GPUs back when AMD legitimately tried in the GPU market compared to the shit "competition" we get now with AMD essentially charging the same MSRPs across the board as NVIDIA. Just look at the awful Rebrandeon RX 6500 XT, which is a refresh of the RX 5500 XT, which was also a refresh of the RX 580... which was even a refresh of the RX 480. The same fucking GPU performance for roughly 6 years straight now, and the price is still the same. 4 GB of VRAM in 2022 when the RX 480 and 580 could be paired with 8? Give me a break.
Part of me doesn't blame AMD for what they're doing. Why try when you can't beat NVIDIA no matter what? Their mindshare is so powerful that the NVIDIA sheep will buy up everything they sell. As controversial as AdoredTV was, he was right with his warning about NVIDIA's mindshare. Love him or hate him, he warned us all what was coming to the GPU market. Even after the mining craze ends again and stock returns, these absurd MSRPs aren't going away. The majority voted for that with their wallets. The new normal is now paying up to $300 for an entry level card.
Good luck with stock. You take whatever you can get in this market.
I appreciate the balls you guys have on this channel. Thanks for looking out for us consumers
Just bought the EVGA 3080 RTX 12g paired with an I5-12600k for my first PC build.. Super exciting yet very nerve racking making the right choices and putting it all together!
The only fix this situation has is that we the consumers stop buying these products altogether, nobody needs an RTX 3080 anyway, a cheaper and older GPU can do the trick
The only positive things I can say about this generation of cards is that it finally made ray tracing semi viable and that it cured me of wanting to buy the 'high end' models. I'm now firmly a mid-tier buyer and have no interest in paying more than a whole console for a video card, thanks. Good luck with the ever finer grained market segmentation.
i mean mid tier is about as expensive as high end previously (the 1080Tie launch and then before Pascal)...
...but even mid-tier is more expensive than a whole console now and that's if you can even get them for MSRP.
An RTX 3080 Ti is the cost of 4 Xbox Series X consoles nearly. It's insane.
@@sparhawk1228 yep atleast buying a scalped console there only 100 quid more 1/4 of the price, unlike nearly double the rrp of a graphics card
@@martinmalone6324 And then you play a new game with the RTX 3080 Ti and the Xbox Series X version plays smoother 🤣
Because console ports.
We all know they sold 100K of these videocards to crypto miners with the Nvidia TAX on top.
No surprise here, Nvidia needs to keep their products as high value as they can cause that is easy money making.
/s
Evga shows prices and they are right in line with the 3080 ti. I think I am done chasing a 30 series card. Hey AMD you just got a new customer.
Luckily AMD cards are a little easier to find but the prices can still be wacky. If you have a Micro-Center near you check there. I see AMD cards all the time. While they lack a couple things like DLSS and RTX isn't as good they are still solid cards and pair it with a AMD cpu and it does even better.
does amd have msrp on shelf?
@@Dante199006 RTX is the same on Big Navi cards in terms of graphical quality. It just has less performance but you will still be getting 50-60 fps in most games.
I definitely appreciated the video. I was wondering why I've seen nothing about this card from my favorite reviewers.
I'm definitely NOT buying another nVidia GPU until they have a change in management/CEO.
eh I've probably bought my last NVidia ever, I'm done with Nvidia all they care about is $$$$$ and fuck gamers is their thought.
I am absolutely skipping this gen. I also hope that on next gen we will have good competition so I can freely choose between three brands.
I'm just skipping PC period for a few years. Boards doubling in price, gpus doubling/tripling in price? No thanks, not when the consoles are actually awesome this gen.
we have a nice competition between amd and nvidia now, i would say amd was so close years ago, at least in rastering performance. but cryptominers ruined everything, thats why we have super high demands and resellers everywhere. dont expect much from intel, they are pretty new on that field and probably will have many issues with the first gen of their desktop graphics cards
@@homerthompson416 same
Sadly I can’t get PS5 either from where i am from … out of stock
Lol, good luck 🤣
This cliche of "skipping generations" is really getting tiresome.
I didn't think I'd ever say that, but right now only Intel can save us.
Let's just hope they do.
If you actually believe Intel isn't going to jack up their gpu prices to maximize their profits, you are delusional.
@@redsky5440 Who knows ? They are entering the market for the first time, they need to make a name in here. Furthermore, we know they'll make the big profits with DG3, DG2's main goal is to nail the drivers.
I'm not saying they won't, I'm saying it would be a suicidal move to do so.
Because of mining, scalping and all these nonsense, The competition is just not there. We all want those days back. Those days where green card and red card is pitted against each other and the buying decision made by watching reviews. Good old days wasn't it?.
What is the point in comparing graphics cards when miners and scalpers exist?
I just got my 4th email from EVGA for a 3080 graphics card queue. I've had mine for nearly a year now (March 2021), and it's fantastic. It's a shame that they have the queues closed right now for new sign-ups, because it seems to be the best way to get a card.
By this time I am waiting till the next generation and I have high hopes, that since this will then be the second generation of AMD cards having ray tracing they'll have caught up and maybe surpassed what NVIDIA will be offering. And if they can do so while maintaining putting less strain on the CPU than team green then even better.
Nvidia has over 20 years of shady business practices that I'd feel bad for supporting, I'm hoping to switch to AMD with the next generation as well
@@xouthpaw Hi there, what are we waiting for to ditch NVIDIA and go AMD? (genuine question, I've never looked into other cards).
Thanks in advance
@@xouthpaw sadly, for some of us, we want Nvidia cards because software devs aren't supporting OpenCL, but ONLY CUDA...so basically, the AMD GPU offers no GPU acceleration in many particular pieces of software....
"I believe Nvidia really does care..." Certainly, they care... about their profit margins.
"Mainly due to arrogance? I'm not sure." I am quite sure it's arrogance.
These videos are not pointless, Steve. Simply expecting these companies to do the right thing, however, is very pointless. They won't unless they're compelled to.
Useless? Its bad press for nvidia, which they deserve and this information shoild be passed along to the consumer
@@brendanbutkus2392 but there's only two companies you can buy from, it isn't like you say screw those guys, I'm going to go to these guys.
Because it won't be long before the other guys do some bullcrap too
I appreciate you for this scathing review! I will say however, considering no one will be able to buy these cards on Day 1... I am sure the review tactics are less "dirty" and more "NVIDIA now taking advantage of the situation to drive scarcity and demand around redundant products obv made for miners"
As usual though, the idiots are suffering FAR more than the smart people. I saw the RTX 3080 selling for more than even the RX 6900 XT, a card that beats it and has 60% more VRAM. I cannot comprehend that level of stupidity, it boggles my mind. If you've got no card and are desperate for one, get the goddamn RX 6800/6800XT/6900XT and pay less for it! The very idea that people are willing to pay more for an inferior card just because it says "nVidia" on it is no smarter than people who only buy Apple products.
You've really nailed down some really great points. That's why I keep[ hoping Intel offers something worthy of gaming on. If they had some real competition and had some level of "fear' that they are loosing gamers, they might behave better. They love us when we shower them with money. When we ask them hard questions, they suddenly can't hear us.
Your complete disregard of Radeon products is exactly why nVidia does things like this. They know that you're completely brainwashed into thinking that ATi stuff is inferior even though it has been PROVEN that with this generation, ATi matched nVidia. If you only want nVidia, you're a part of the problem.
@@AvroBellow yeah, cool, try to buy an amd product right now, have fun
@@shredderorokusaki3013 Actually you did have a choice.
Nobody FORCED you to buy an AMD card. YOU CHOSE to buy it.
Don't make excuses.
The honest channel of techs on TH-cam. Most of us followed your channel for this kind of content.
This is a great video. The only disappointing thing about all of this is we all won’t band together and boycott these manufactures for rigging the system basically……
They also blocked being able to buy it at retail so
Was just watching MooresLawIsDead's vid on the topic, and seems about right.
Respect your attitude and honesty towards this kind of behaviour. Love this channel for its consumer-friendly nature, keep it up!
Wow, I'm really stunned by this news! I wasn't expecting it AT ALL! /s
This is also why I follow your channel, beside the very technical and extensive work you do (love the monitor reviews): straight up telling the truth and being a catalyst for other media outlets that maybe are less prone to get their hands dirty first (not gonna name names, we know who they are).
Appreciate your work!
yeah, i spread the truth, follow me, my sheep :D
@@mirage8753 I thought it didn't snow where I lived, yet a snowflake showed up anyway
I have 3080ti ftw3 ultra and the extra 2 gigs do help a lot at ultra 4K
Great review of how manufactures are not helping the low end market and inflated prices. I have both flag ships from AMD and Nvidia and had an issue with one AMD and waited over 2 months for a repair of a card I had for 2 weeks. This should not be acceptable from any manufacture and up sets me even more about the current situation.
Great video! After watching I decided to check and they are indeed listed right now between 1800 and 2000€ at retail here in France. No founders editions, only ASUS, MSI and ZOTAC and half the ZOTAC models are sold out already.
(they also still have some 6800XTs in stock listed at 1500€)
Thanks for the video!! All this stuff needs to be fixed. I live by a Microcenter and they have walls full of AMD cards and some Nvidia cards. You can only buy in-person and most are not listed on the webpage. People do not want to pay the 100-300%markup on these cards. I wait for my reviews before I buy something, soo for a smart person these things need to just sit on the store shelf until these companies wake up and stop giving up crap.
The 3080 pictured at 3:57 has a printing error with the "8" being upside down. The top loop of the 8 is slightly smaller than the bottom one in the correct orientation. On this card, this is flipped
As well as the "3", and the "0"s
Isnt this a thing on every 3080?
It's just incredible how bold tech companies like Nvidia have become in recent years when it comes to dodgy stuff. I mean, it's not like they haven't pulled this before but it seems to be more common nowadays. Great video btw and Happy New year to you, Tim and your families.
I appreciate you guys a lot, thank you for informing us and calling out these companies!
Nvidia is quickly climbing to the top of my Sh*t list... Right under Apple!
I hope AMD's next gen cards are more competitive at the high end. I will not hesitate to switch teams.
Apple actually isn’t this bad, given the manufacturing/supply chain crunch apple didn’t even increase their prices on their products in late 2021. iPhone 13 cost the same as an iPhone 12 despite whilst costing more to manufacture.
@@TheWretchedWorld Apple's prices have always been inflated... they charge $1000 for a monitor stand... just the stand.... or $200 for a VESA mount that comes built in to 99% of monitors... Not to mention their locked down, proprietary eco system...
@@TheWretchedWorld You must be joking...
AMD is shiz just as much, so what r u talking about? 🤔
@@TheWretchedWorld While I think Apple products are overpriced, that's not why they should be on peoples Sh*t list. It's their other anti-consumer ways. Specifically being anti-repair.