They say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree but Dave and Kyle prove that incorrect. Kyle is like "wrap the handle, pour water on it and let's go now now now!" and Dave's like "Hey waffles!"
Like I said on my prior handicappings,' of the prior 2 videos, it's all about the CCS crapshoot. If the Silverado's team gets lucky and their 350kw chargers actually work, they should win. Otherwise the Cybertruck will take it. Although their decision to use V2's instead of charging longer on the V3 in Texas so they can get to the next V3 could cost them.
Not true about the Rivian, a couple of miles over from time to time is not cheating. Kyle cheated with traffic stopped at Buckees for him or the Silverado letting him know of traffic jams and he avoids the
@@GA-wq8xq The Silverado should not have been in any traffic jam. This is the 21st century with live traffic Google maps. There're 3 of them on each team, one needs to be map duty at all times.
PLEASE do this again. I would honestly like to see the chevy team be put in the rivian, and the cybertruck team be put in the lightning. Or swap the slowest crew with the fastest timed crew and flip 2nd and 3rd just to see how everyone manages. This was super entertaining these videos have been the highlight of my past 3 weekends. Good job everyone and onto the next one!
@@TheBowerbirdthat is why you give Kyle the lightning and team lightning the silverado. Most races Kyle stacks it in his favor. He only had the cyber truck because he just baught it . Normally he would have taken the silverodo. The 1st race to Vegas he gets a Porsche taycan and beats 2 teslas x and 3. The Mach e is like the lightning it doesn’t have the charging speed to keep up with the 200kw cars and trucks. Maybe a race with identical cars would be nice then it would be about the driver. Or a non Tesla race. So we don’t have to hear from Kyle drew is just going to plug in and it works or drew is such a great driver. I like drew he is a good guy but not invincible. He had supercharger problems too and came in 4th in race to Vegas 1. He overcame having to start later . I loved the Porsche and ionic 5 finishing 1 and 2.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 I would have put him in the Rivian - solidly in the center, but his use of the Cybertruck was brilliant given Tesla's charging limitations at their superchargers!
Dang! I was really on team Food-150 to win. But as soon as dave and the guys put on the burger king hats, having a jolly ol time. ngl i started having doubts😂. Watching Dave ramble on to the point where he's edited out mid conversation was hilarious. If there's any team i would travel with, it would be team lightning for the food stops Congrats to all the guys for making it safe and sound!
tbh this video made me want a lightning more. If the Rivian wasn't so ugly, this would have me on team Rivian. The Cybertruck and the Silverado are too overpriced and too fiddly. The Cybertruck had so many "little glitches" and the number of times I heard "I've never seen a supercharged do this," had me rolling my eyes.
The next time OoS Dave goes on a road trip in a Lightning, make sure it's equipped with a pizza oven and a Keurig machine. Get Tom Moloughney on the phone! 😆
I’m a BIG Out of Spec follower and really appreciate all I’ve learned through your thoughtful and informative posts. BUT, I must take exception to Team Cybertruck falsely representing a dead Supercharger cabinet so they would not have to share power. One of the most important lessons I’ve learned from OoS is to be courteous to other EV drivers. Race or not, I found that to be COMPLETELY out of line and contrary to your inferred mission statement.
@@ChrisBarnesXYZ Same story at 2h 10 into the video. Professional truckers are very switched on and would definitely realize someone's tailgating them this close. Not a fun experience for that guy. Imagine knowing if you have to break for whatever reason you will have a douchebag in your trailer.
Would be good to see a race with different rules. Where you can't block any chargers and can't ask someone to move for you. Team Silverado offered to pay for someone's charge so they could use the faster charger lol.
This is easily the most entertaining content you have posted. But not only was it entertaining, it was educational. Great job everyone who participated !!
That was epic. I watched the whole four hours. I can only imagine the amount of effort it took to edit all that. Thanks guys, for taking us along on your adventure!!
I really enjoy watching the Silverado, Cybertruck, and Rivian teams rushing to optimize their charging and then the Lightning crew just enjoying themselves. 😂
I refreshed your channel so many times to see when this video is released. Then I randomly see it in my feed less than a min when it was released. It didn't even have part 3 in the title! Thanks can't wait to see the results.
Thanks to the Out of Spec team and everyone else involved in making this race possible! Even though I personally won't buy an EV anytime soon, I still watch each and every video on this channel. The contrast between all the different people of the team is so interesting and fun to watch. Kyle is always maximizing everything to smallest detail (and so did everyone in his team) and then there's the laid back approach of his dad. Each and every one is equally as interesting to watch and I think it's safe to say that this is the best Out of Spec video (part 3) so far. The Glimpse app is a good addition to the races and I'm glad to see the progress regularly throughout the race. 4 Hours is the perfect length of an epic finale like this one!
It’s those crazy races and absolute chaos consultation that makes OOS so much better than others. The excitement really transfers through the videos! Never stop these!!!
Brilliant, It's 3.30am in the UK and I just had to watch to the end. Way better than most of what Hollywood can offer. Well done the gang, all of you, true real life acting. 👍👍
Absolutely loved this series. What a great team. Dave is the best and the guys driving with him were so lucky to be with him. Justin, you were great with tram Silverado. Congratulations to all the teams and Out of Spec.
50:28 - anyone wondering about the math: going 85 instead of 80mph needs you to use 12.9% more energy to push the air out of the way. Air drag is proportional to speed squared.
As I’m watching, at 1.75x playback speed, I’m hovering my finger above the Skip link to hit it as fast as possible at each TH-cam ad. The race is real!
Dude get yourself an adblocker or buy TH-cam Premium if you want to support the creators. I can't imagine how painful it must have been to watch this video with ads, lol
Best dating show ever!!😂 Cybertruck likes them fast and hot. Silverado likes the big tank! Rivian takes whatever it can get. Lightning likes it slow and steady with a good kitchen. Let’s take this show to Hollywood.
Yeah that's just one of the joke deals in this whole thing another one is $285 mi range for 120 bucks and paying $50 to go 85 mi That's why I say they should tell the truth about their EVs they're expensive to buy expensive to drive and someone said well you don't need to drive one well yes the government's forcing them down our throat people better stop lying and wake up
Something that would be awesome for this type of video would be a sidebar showing the current time of day, time of race and current race position of each team. Not sure what the easiest way to achieve this is, given all the video composition that happens. But, indeed, it would be very interesting to track.
yeah, they were basically tied until the end, if the Cybertruck had enough power, it would have been so close, they basically were even with barely a 5 minute lead, good job to both teams that give it their all
The Silverado EV was the best truck by far - insane battery size, crazy 300 kW charge speeds & it had 4 adults onboard the whole way, not to mention it was the only truck with an open bed the whole journey. The only reason the CT even held on was from Kyle's determination and using every trick in the book to maximize charging speeds on V3, arriving on empty, wet rags on charging handle & more controversially blocking a charger to not power share.
I'd love to see another race with a twist: no location sharing. It would be fascinating to see how the lack of information impacts decision-making and charging strategies.
Kyle has done it in a model 3 and a Porsche taycan 2 years ago with drew Tjmen across route 80/90from New York to la. And the lucid in the New York to la via 80 to route 70 thu Ohio Indiana with Alyssa drew tjman and her sister or most in the polestar 1 and lucid
Yeah and if they'd had any balls they would have included a couple gas-powered vehicles but they didn't want to get showed up you noticed they're not telling us how much this trip cost per charge and total charges across the country probably two or three times what a gas-powered vehicle would have taken for money and a hell of a lot longer
@@glenmurra3856 I don't think anyone doubts a gas vehicle would probably leave them in the dust. But this isn't a gas car channel. I'm sure you can find plenty of other videos out there of gas vehicles, since they've been a thing forever. There is 0 reason to come to this SPECIFIC channel which is about EVs to harp on this. Shame on you.
@@glenmurra3856Yeah, comparison to ICE would have been great. But only if they included all the relevant data. Like, how much each contributed to climate change, and how much it would contribute going forward as the grid goes mostly renewable. And then convert that into an estimate of how much time each vehicle chopped off the distance between now and when your great grandkids start going hungry due to crop failures. And then last but not least, how much the bill would be to try and deal with the effects of that amount of climate change.
Well I feel sorry for you people One doesn't like that I replied something on a EV channel when they're trying to make EVs look like the best thing since sliced bread what's their not and then we have another one that's obviously a tree hugger and believes in climate change and global warming which there is not I'm 67 years old everything that's going on right now with the weather I have seen before it's nothing new it's been here before it's going to be here again Don't buy into the communist Democrats BS but I know that's going to ruffle some of your tree huggers feathers so I'll put it this way when it comes to having to have power turned off because we don't have enough because of the idiots buying these electric vehicles and our government shutting down power plants that they shouldn't be Make sure you're at the head of the list to have the power turned off to your house because I want mine another words put your money where your mouth is turn the lights off at your house first and turn it off for your crappy electric vehicles@@davidmenasco5743
Awesome trip and video. Goes to show that good infrastructure is just as important as battery capacity and charge curve. Seems like we are at a good point already, 40 hours coast to coast wouldnt be slow for a gas or diesel truck. Watched the whole series like a podcast driving through Germany in my 27kWh Mini Cooper SE :)
Seeing the cyber truck having to jump stalls to get full power and always wrap the charging handles to keep full power is just ridiculous when all Out of Spec and others say is how near perfect Tesla Superchargers are. I never have to wrap a CCS handle to get 268kW on a Taycan? Then leaving the door open to block a V2 charger or hanging the handle to flag as broken is so sleazy. What if all Tesla drivers acted like this? I understand it’s a race, but shouldn’t you act like a good person? This doesn’t make an example of etiquette 😔
Yeah I agree, I would have liked to see a race in good faith, not pulling little tricks like that. Let's see how the infrastructure would actually work in real-life. When you inconvenience others just to win a contest, its pretty selfish.
This was very well done guys, fantastic race and participants. Thank you for the hours of entertainment. Every aspect of this race, made it hard to stop watching. Made my Saturday, thx
3:31:46 I think this was the big takeaway from this trip. Both the Cybertruck and the Silverado EV were letdown by their respective charging infrastructure. V3 Superchargers are just underpowered for the Cybertruck, and while Electrify America has the best coverage of any public charging provider, most of their chargers and even charging sites struggle to actually supply 500 A to 800 V EVs. E-GMP cars are really threading the needle because they can benefit from the 800 V chargers while not requiring them to provide more than 350 A.
yeah, this was an infrastructure failure, it's crazy that they were basically tied until the end, if the Cybertruck had enough power, it would have been so close, but the Silverado had the bigger battery and pulled it off to win
@@danielzhang1916 It's not just the bigger battery. The fact that the Cybertruck couldn't charge past 30% in order to maintain the same average charging speed as the Silverado EV maintains to ~60% put the Cybertruck at a serious disadvantage. That means the Cybertruck needs to make four times as many charging stops just to hope to keep up, and any charging past 30%-40% or reduced power from the charger pretty much negates that. If Team Silverado didn't have such a sub par experience with the public chargers themselves, they would have finished a couple hours ahead. So no, not "just a big battery."
@newscoulomb3705 - Tesla launched the Cybertruck with conservative charging speed. I guess to play it safe. They just announced today a 20% speed increase in charging for the cybertruck through a software update. My guess is they'll even increase it more thru another update at a later time.
@@ronin7645 Perhaps, but that would still leave it trailing the Silverado EV 3WT by a considerable margin. Even if, after the update, the Cybertruck could maintain the same average charging speed as the Silverado EV 3WT to 50% or even 60%, it would still need to make 50% more charging stops on a longer trip just to maintain parity. And that's the 3WT, not the big battery RST or 4WT, which average 250+ kW all the way to 70% to 80%. Also, as hobbled as the Silverado EV was by the public charging, the CT suffers even more on the Superchargers. Even with V3 operating at 100%, the CT can't charge at its fastest speeds, and it appears as though the CT will put a V3 cable into limp mode after only 10 minutes at full power. CT owners basically must use the public charging infrastructure if they hope to have any chance of reasonably matching the Silverado EV's charging and long trip capabilities. So again, at this point, it's more about these trucks exposing weaknesses in the charging infrastructure.
Fantastic video. I really enjoyed it although it's testing things that I'll never been able to afford (nor the Cybertruck will ever come to Europe apparently). I liked the adventure and may have only wished more images of beautiful American landscapes. Well done: really entertaining.
I am amazed by how close this race was among the three trucks going coast to coast. Impressed by all teams that is not an easy trip to take. I like to see how long each truck took to charge for the trip. That is probably the difference in the race.
yeah the Silverado and Cybertruck were basically tied until the end, if the Cybertruck had enough power, this would have been a different story, it's crazy they were basically even with just a 5 minute lead
Just finished a 2500km drive in the Tesla MY LR 2023 through 5 countries in Europe and it was awesome! Binge watching all your Videos while doing some kind of a race myself :) Thanks Guys!
I feel for the Lightening team. I’ve been there running out of juice about 100 yards from a v3 supercharger. But I was towing a trailer with my X so i took a hit to my previously brimming confidence. It happens!!
Asking people to move so you get a better charge it’s fine because you’re asking them, moving the charging so it looks like it may not work is a little sketchy morally, but leave it how you did after putting it like that was rude, Even with the apology, I don’t drive electric, If that’s what you’re going to do to win race, it doesn’t deserve a win if that’s how you’re gonna play the game.
Agreed. As an EV user it actually pissed me off. You aren't trying to get home to family you are doing a race with friends in this.... Kinda upsetting.
So what were the results . Silverado first , 2nd Cybertruck 5 mins behind but had to top up to do the last few miles so 15 mins gap , then Rivian about 20 mins after that. Crazy after over 2000 miles trip. 4th was the super comfortable F 150 , several hours after the rest arrived. Still a great truck.
Trouble with the SCs with the CT are exclusive to the CT. I just did a 433 mile road trip in my Model Y with 2 charging stops and they were perfect, as usual.
People who block charging spaces to protect charging speed are the same people that complain about ICE vehicles parking in charging spaces. Superchargeholes.
I love Kyle's passion and enthusiasm. Without him this wouldn't have gotten done. With that said, his youthful impatience cost his team. They should have stayed at just about every stop until the Cybertruck dropped, at minimum, below180kw or so. The time lost getting off and back on when added all together is a lot longer than if they had stayed to said deeper charging points. Unless I'm mistaken, did they not unplug on one stop as soon as it went below 240kw? In fact, that would make for a FANTASTIC VIDEO: Two Cybertrucks racing one another: -- One with TEAM KYLE and his youthful impatience (or in his eyes: optimized charging). --And the other with TEAM DAVE and his laid-back wisdom with deeper charges (and of course, his restaurant tour). Quick, someone bring that up to Kyle.
I think it didn't matter until the last stretch, yeah they should have stayed a bit longer, then it would have been a different story, it's crazy that they were basically tied until the end with a 5 minute lead difference
I think this showed that EV road tripping has far fewer negatives that just a few years ago, but there is still tons of range anxiety/effort to plan charging stops. Hopefully in a few years with the continued improvements to to charging infrastructure, a few years from now this won’t be a big deal to cross country an Ev.
Normal people doing a road trip aren't trying to run their battery to 0 and plan their charging around actual breaks. By the end of the decade all of these DC fast chargers are going to be 350kw chargers and should have credit card terminals hopefully.
The Silverado EV is amazing - it was far from optimized and the CCS network was spotty, but with 4 adults and an open bed it still beat the CT despite Kyle using every trick in the book to optimize for a win. Now imagine what the Silverado EV would do if GM like Ford had access to NACS by the time of filming...
One of the best ever EV road trip videos from you guys and also on the whole of TH-cam! What an amazing bunch of people! Would love to hang out with you all some day...
Would be great if this test/race was done annually with the latest & greatest models. Would be very interested in how times might improve with next years models & infrastructure.
@@glenmurra3856 I'll take a slightly slower road trip 10 days out of the year so I can charge at home and never have to go to a gas station or public charger the other 355 days of the year.
A lot of fun watching you guys do this and end up in my home town. Even though this race is not reflective of normal everyday driving it does show the state of the art really well. I am hoping the car manufacturers pay attention to what you did and experienced. Nice job guys!
4 hour video, crazy. I'm watching it (background) while I do some paperwork. Before I forget, will you tally how much the cost per truck to go on this long trip? and cost per kWh, and miles per kWh?
It's really interesting to see how tired everyone sounds in comparison to the earlier episodes. Apart from your dad, who appears to have some sort of Tony Stark personal reactor.
As a former 600rwhp 04 cobra owner and a current 24 model y performance owner I love this. The model Y feels like having a 500rwp cobra like when I had a ported blower. Not as strong as the Whipple 2.3 but easy as anything to drive. It's really amazing. Love it
The cold rag actually helps protect the handle as it doesn't have any cooling like the cable. They should have been using ice on the rag to really help it.
@thelegendaryfk7922 The sensor is watching for overheating. If you keep the handle cooled, the sensor knows the handle is not in danger. Therefore, you're helping the handle stay cooled, which is best for longevity. Has nothing to do with tricking any sensor. Anyone who says that, including any of these drivers, doesn't understand how it works.
@@junehanzawa5165 the only one who doesn't understand how it works is you and everyone who does this, as you said, the handle has no cooling, the rag is only cooling the outside of the handle, the inside is still getting stupid hot (you know, the part where all the actually important stuff is), only now the sensor doesn't know this is happening, and just lets the charger overheat and kill itself because it thinks it's fine when it is in fact very much not in any way shape or form. i hope tesla sends people like you the repair bill for these things
@mysteryboyee This doesn't even deserve a reply because you're clearly one of those incapable of understanding why we don't fall off from the bottom of a round planet. But here goes for those that do. The Tesla V3 handles have 2 sensors. One for the exterior to prevent it from getting too hot to handle (a lesson learned from V1's) and a second for the interior metal pins. If you only cooled the exterior, the interior sensor would still cut down the amperage (which causes the heat) if the interior of the handle gets too hot. So when you use an exterior cooling source that doesn't cool the interior, the interior sensor will still bring down the power. The only way the interior sensor won't bring the power down is ONLY if an exterior source is keeping BOTH the exterior AND the INTERIOR cooled below each of their heat thresholds. There is NO TRICKING THE SENSORS. The sensors don't have a heat sensor for themselves. They only measure the INTERIOR and exterior temperatures of the handle. If the interior of the handle is not kept cooled below its threshold, the INTERIOR sensor will bring down the power. So yes, a wet (preferably cold) rag helps protect the handle for as long as it can keep it below a certain temperature. As soon as that wet rag effectiveness is gone, the sensors bring down the amps. That's why it only helps for a few minutes.
No way would I ever consider buying a Ford F-150 Lightning after your breakdown experiences. I've owned Fords in the past and always had problems with them. Thanks for this video. The Silverado was quite impressive.
That was a dumb comment. They ran out because they pushed it too far and forgot what happened on the trip to Florida. It is a great truck. It just needs some adjustment with software. Most people don’t run it down to that low of a charge. Plenty of lightning owners love their trucks and never had this problem.
Tom Maloney and others have lightenings with no problems. They pushed the truck too far. It also could be this truck. But after running out with Kyle the week before you would think that Dave would have said don’t go below 30 miles or whatever per cent. It wasn’t like the were going to win they were hours behind the pack. It is a great truck but not to go against faster charging trucks.
Glad to see that that Silverado won in spite of the quirkiness of its charging curve and the typical EA gobblygook. GM really needs some better software engineers all around. Software is my only concern with getting the Silverado or Sierra, but it is not just an EV thing for them as they have plenty of issues with software on the Colorado/Canyon and Silverado/Sierra 1500s. 😐
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I wanna see the cybertruck win but I'm really here to watch the Lightning team try different restaurants 😂
This is a good one!!))
Team Food-150 Tightening (Wastebands)
You knew Dave would eat his way across the country. 😎
They say the apple doesn't fall far from the tree but Dave and Kyle prove that incorrect. Kyle is like "wrap the handle, pour water on it and let's go now now now!" and Dave's like "Hey waffles!"
It's funny that Kyle said I have to start getting in shape some time. Meanwhile his dad is hitting every junk food opportunity the whole way.
I now want a spin-off road trip video with the F-150 lightning team on a solo road trip checking out different places to eat 😊
The EV Diners channel.
This will definitely be a thing in 5 or 6 years.
They did that already…this trip. 😂
The F stands for Food
They seemed the most comfortable during the trip.
@@johnfontaine2760 definitely the most laid back group
Me: 2 hour movie? Nah, too long
Also me: 4 hour OoS video? Heck yeah!
True said. In last both videos at the end I was like: Already! How will I wait one more week!
thatswoeafully news so you know
I miss when directors had budgets and CGI didn't enable them using the word "and" too many times when the stars say "why don't we add this"
thats good know
If only we had extended editions coming to Blu-Ray later.
4 teams
1. Cybertruck Optimizers
2. Silverado Fast Chargers
3. Rivian Rule-breakers
4. Lightning Food Chasers
Like I said on my prior handicappings,' of the prior 2 videos, it's all about the CCS crapshoot. If the Silverado's team gets lucky and their 350kw chargers actually work, they should win. Otherwise the Cybertruck will take it. Although their decision to use V2's instead of charging longer on the V3 in Texas so they can get to the next V3 could cost them.
Not true about the Rivian, a couple of miles over from time to time is not cheating. Kyle cheated with traffic stopped at Buckees for him or the Silverado letting him know of traffic jams and he avoids the
@@GA-wq8xq The Silverado should not have been in any traffic jam. This is the 21st century with live traffic Google maps. There're 3 of them on each team, one needs to be map duty at all times.
But results are 1. Silverado 2 Cybertruk 3 Riv Riv 4 Lightning 03:38:00
48:20 was it really worth switching from 127 to 137kWh?
I’m exhausted watching a 4-hour video straight through. Can’t imagine how these boys felt actually living it. Highly entertaining!
2 hours if you watch at 2X speed. I highly recommend it for future videos
Who does road trips they make airplanes
I watched every minute of each of these videos and have zero regrets! Fantastic TH-cam content!
@@sparkysho-ze7nmRoadtrips are way more fun than taking a plane
PLEASE do this again. I would honestly like to see the chevy team be put in the rivian, and the cybertruck team be put in the lightning. Or swap the slowest crew with the fastest timed crew and flip 2nd and 3rd just to see how everyone manages. This was super entertaining these videos have been the highlight of my past 3 weekends. Good job everyone and onto the next one!
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Rivian with the Tesla network would almost certainly win - especially with Kyle in there.
And no wet towels.
@@TheBowerbirdthat is why you give Kyle the lightning and team lightning the silverado. Most races Kyle stacks it in his favor. He only had the cyber truck because he just baught it . Normally he would have taken the silverodo. The 1st race to Vegas he gets a Porsche taycan and beats 2 teslas x and 3. The Mach e is like the lightning it doesn’t have the charging speed to keep up with the 200kw cars and trucks. Maybe a race with identical cars would be nice then it would be about the driver. Or a non Tesla race. So we don’t have to hear from Kyle drew is just going to plug in and it works or drew is such a great driver. I like drew he is a good guy but not invincible. He had supercharger problems too and came in 4th in race to Vegas 1. He overcame having to start later . I loved the Porsche and ionic 5 finishing 1 and 2.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 I would have put him in the Rivian - solidly in the center, but his use of the Cybertruck was brilliant given Tesla's charging limitations at their superchargers!
Dang! I was really on team Food-150 to win. But as soon as dave and the guys put on the burger king hats, having a jolly ol time. ngl i started having doubts😂. Watching Dave ramble on to the point where he's edited out mid conversation was hilarious. If there's any team i would travel with, it would be team lightning for the food stops
Congrats to all the guys for making it safe and sound!
Yeah, what’s the hurry? Enjoy the trip. We consider it part of the vacation.
tbh this video made me want a lightning more. If the Rivian wasn't so ugly, this would have me on team Rivian. The Cybertruck and the Silverado are too overpriced and too fiddly. The Cybertruck had so many "little glitches" and the number of times I heard "I've never seen a supercharged do this," had me rolling my eyes.
The next time OoS Dave goes on a road trip in a Lightning, make sure it's equipped with a pizza oven and a Keurig machine. Get Tom Moloughney on the phone! 😆
Can’t wait for part 4. “Lighting’s arrival”
“Ok, let’s get the Plug and Charge up and runnin… oh look, a Sonic!” - Team F-150 Lightning
Congrats to the Lightning team. They may have come in last but they had the nicest food stops 😜.
The Real winner is the Ev comunity , thank you "Out of Spec" awesome adventure 😊
no way id buy one after this lol so i figured the opposite. imagine with hauling weight on a cold day
@@PazLeBon Definitely wouldn't wanna haul across the country with these - but short of that this wouldn't be a bad idea IMO.
I’m a BIG Out of Spec follower and really appreciate all I’ve learned through your thoughtful and informative posts. BUT, I must take exception to Team Cybertruck falsely representing a dead Supercharger cabinet so they would not have to share power. One of the most important lessons I’ve learned from OoS is to be courteous to other EV drivers. Race or not, I found that to be COMPLETELY out of line and contrary to your inferred mission statement.
I agree, but their mission statement goes out the window when Kyle wants to win something.
@@ChrisBarnesXYZ Same story at 2h 10 into the video. Professional truckers are very switched on and would definitely realize someone's tailgating them this close. Not a fun experience for that guy. Imagine knowing if you have to break for whatever reason you will have a douchebag in your trailer.
It doesn't change a thing, there was no car waiting for a charge.
@@boostav good point. It would have been a major a-hole move if it made someone wait to charge
Would be good to see a race with different rules. Where you can't block any chargers and can't ask someone to move for you. Team Silverado offered to pay for someone's charge so they could use the faster charger lol.
This is easily the most entertaining content you have posted. But not only was it entertaining, it was educational. Great job everyone who participated !!
Kyle: I need to start eating healthier.
Dave: I wonder if they've got ice cream sandwiches?
Roman noodle & egg w/mild pepper sauce anyone??
That was epic. I watched the whole four hours. I can only imagine the amount of effort it took to edit all that. Thanks guys, for taking us along on your adventure!!
I really enjoy watching the Silverado, Cybertruck, and Rivian teams rushing to optimize their charging and then the Lightning crew just enjoying themselves. 😂
I feel like a race guest starring James May would be perfect. He would be doing non-stop math.
And still getting lost or stranded!
"You've got navigation to the nearest charger, May, wha' 'ave you done!?"
I refreshed your channel so many times to see when this video is released. Then I randomly see it in my feed less than a min when it was released. It didn't even have part 3 in the title! Thanks can't wait to see the results.
i know that thats goood i dea so you know you geting sir
Next race should be across Canada, that would be amusing
Thanks to the Out of Spec team and everyone else involved in making this race possible! Even though I personally won't buy an EV anytime soon, I still watch each and every video on this channel. The contrast between all the different people of the team is so interesting and fun to watch. Kyle is always maximizing everything to smallest detail (and so did everyone in his team) and then there's the laid back approach of his dad. Each and every one is equally as interesting to watch and I think it's safe to say that this is the best Out of Spec video (part 3) so far.
The Glimpse app is a good addition to the races and I'm glad to see the progress regularly throughout the race.
4 Hours is the perfect length of an epic finale like this one!
4 hours is a long time for just one part
@@GA-wq8xq This is the true Out of Spec style! It ain't for everyone, but I enjoyed every second of this video.
Dave: On the next episode of Diners and Dives Across America we find all restaurants near EV chargers
It’s those crazy races and absolute chaos consultation that makes OOS so much better than others. The excitement really transfers through the videos! Never stop these!!!
Brilliant, It's 3.30am in the UK and I just had to watch to the end. Way better than most of what Hollywood can offer. Well done the gang, all of you, true real life acting. 👍👍
As a trucker thats very annoying when being tailgated that close especially with the newer cars with them bright headlights
You should put on your caution lights to let them know to back off. And when they pass you, give em your brights.
just brake check em
@@PazLeBon Or deliberately wander off to the stone filled side of the road to test out their windscreen strength
At least with the CT bright headlights shouldn't be a problem 😂
Lightning might lost but was definitely the fun and relaxed car to be in!
Absolutely loved this series. What a great team. Dave is the best and the guys driving with him were so lucky to be with him. Justin, you were great with tram Silverado. Congratulations to all the teams and Out of Spec.
I would have been so annoyed with Dave, it was a RACE, not a restaurant tour.
50:28 - anyone wondering about the math: going 85 instead of 80mph needs you to use 12.9% more energy to push the air out of the way. Air drag is proportional to speed squared.
But the power to overcome it is cubed.
OOS Motoring got me through a lot of long afternoons during Covid....so I was looking forward to this...and it delivered!!! Epic series.
As I’m watching, at 1.75x playback speed, I’m hovering my finger above the Skip link to hit it as fast as possible at each TH-cam ad. The race is real!
Yup I definitely watched this whole thing at 2x speed. Thats how I watch all of their videos because they talk so slow
2x is a godsend
Dude get yourself an adblocker or buy TH-cam Premium if you want to support the creators. I can't imagine how painful it must have been to watch this video with ads, lol
@@michaelrichter2528 I read the comments during the ads
@@_cjmccullough No, you just have mental issues
Best dating show ever!!😂
Cybertruck likes them fast and hot.
Silverado likes the big tank!
Rivian takes whatever it can get.
Lightning likes it slow and steady with a good kitchen.
Let’s take this show to Hollywood.
Hollywood jus fk it up
"We have to change deep........38%" 😂
omg during that final stretch when they were trying to make it to Dog Beach in one go and Kyle said "-3% arrival. We can work with that."🤣
Yeah that's just one of the joke deals in this whole thing another one is $285 mi range for 120 bucks and paying $50 to go 85 mi That's why I say they should tell the truth about their EVs they're expensive to buy expensive to drive and someone said well you don't need to drive one well yes the government's forcing them down our throat people better stop lying and wake up
Danggg excited to watch! Thanks for editing max ⚡️
Just 4 hours. A short video. 🤣
Greetings from Germany.
you telly me
Glad everyone made it (eventually) and happy to welcome you all to San Diego 🎉
howow thats need so you know
thats cool by the way
Lets go team F150 Lightning!
To Chili’s? To Texas Roadhouse?
@@carlosl5766Kyle doesn't understand what is a road trip about while Dave does: it's all about experience about it, food being the first ingredient!
What a great series! OOS Dave has a great attitude in the face of adversity. Just work the problem is always the best approach.
4 hours oh wow. Even at 2 times speed my day is shot
Good to see Team Silverado finally found a working 350 kW charger.
Team Blind Pig
Prety much all of them worked...
Something that would be awesome for this type of video would be a sidebar showing the current time of day, time of race and current race position of each team. Not sure what the easiest way to achieve this is, given all the video composition that happens. But, indeed, it would be very interesting to track.
This series was truly Epic. I am surprised even with such a huge battery Silverado only had five minute lead.
Maybe next races include a gas comparison as a benchmark. As chargers and efficiency get better, you will see lead in gas slowly vanish.
yeah, they were basically tied until the end, if the Cybertruck had enough power, it would have been so close, they basically were even with barely a 5 minute lead, good job to both teams that give it their all
If this was a normal road trip, it would have finished way in front. They were eeking out everything out of the Cybertruck
@@danielzhang1916 I like that the Silverado won. Gm gets too much bashing from people and the cyber truck still needs work
The Silverado EV was the best truck by far - insane battery size, crazy 300 kW charge speeds & it had 4 adults onboard the whole way, not to mention it was the only truck with an open bed the whole journey.
The only reason the CT even held on was from Kyle's determination and using every trick in the book to maximize charging speeds on V3, arriving on empty, wet rags on charging handle & more controversially blocking a charger to not power share.
Omg.. watched the whole thing. Congrats to all the teams. 40 hours of stressful driving, and you got there!!
4 hours ? Now that’s a finale
I'd love to see another race with a twist: no location sharing. It would be fascinating to see how the lack of information impacts decision-making and charging strategies.
I watched every single video from start to finish . Epic Road trip
EPIC
Cool crossing the US in two days , thats crazy. By full electric , and by truck.
Kyle has done it in a model 3 and a Porsche taycan 2 years ago with drew Tjmen across route 80/90from New York to la. And the lucid in the New York to la via 80 to route 70 thu Ohio Indiana with Alyssa drew tjman and her sister or most in the polestar 1 and lucid
Yeah and if they'd had any balls they would have included a couple gas-powered vehicles but they didn't want to get showed up you noticed they're not telling us how much this trip cost per charge and total charges across the country probably two or three times what a gas-powered vehicle would have taken for money and a hell of a lot longer
@@glenmurra3856 I don't think anyone doubts a gas vehicle would probably leave them in the dust. But this isn't a gas car channel. I'm sure you can find plenty of other videos out there of gas vehicles, since they've been a thing forever.
There is 0 reason to come to this SPECIFIC channel which is about EVs to harp on this. Shame on you.
@@glenmurra3856Yeah, comparison to ICE would have been great. But only if they included all the relevant data.
Like, how much each contributed to climate change, and how much it would contribute going forward as the grid goes mostly renewable.
And then convert that into an estimate of how much time each vehicle chopped off the distance between now and when your great grandkids start going hungry due to crop failures.
And then last but not least, how much the bill would be to try and deal with the effects of that amount of climate change.
Well I feel sorry for you people One doesn't like that I replied something on a EV channel when they're trying to make EVs look like the best thing since sliced bread what's their not and then we have another one that's obviously a tree hugger and believes in climate change and global warming which there is not I'm 67 years old everything that's going on right now with the weather I have seen before it's nothing new it's been here before it's going to be here again Don't buy into the communist Democrats BS but I know that's going to ruffle some of your tree huggers feathers so I'll put it this way when it comes to having to have power turned off because we don't have enough because of the idiots buying these electric vehicles and our government shutting down power plants that they shouldn't be Make sure you're at the head of the list to have the power turned off to your house because I want mine another words put your money where your mouth is turn the lights off at your house first and turn it off for your crappy electric vehicles@@davidmenasco5743
Awesome trip and video. Goes to show that good infrastructure is just as important as battery capacity and charge curve. Seems like we are at a good point already, 40 hours coast to coast wouldnt be slow for a gas or diesel truck.
Watched the whole series like a podcast driving through Germany in my 27kWh Mini Cooper SE :)
This was awesome to watch! Thanks to everyone who drove these trucks that far!
I'm waiting for the Kyle meltdown! "What do you mean you need to go to the restroom?? We still got 25% battery before the next charging station!"
I don’t think I have ever watched a 4hr TH-cam video, but dammit I just did. Great video!
I did it! I watched/listened to the whole damn thing! It was so fun and actually a pretty useful exercise. Charging will only get (slowly) better.
Seeing the cyber truck having to jump stalls to get full power and always wrap the charging handles to keep full power is just ridiculous when all Out of Spec and others say is how near perfect Tesla Superchargers are. I never have to wrap a CCS handle to get 268kW on a Taycan?
Then leaving the door open to block a V2 charger or hanging the handle to flag as broken is so sleazy. What if all Tesla drivers acted like this? I understand it’s a race, but shouldn’t you act like a good person? This doesn’t make an example of etiquette 😔
Yeah I agree, I would have liked to see a race in good faith, not pulling little tricks like that. Let's see how the infrastructure would actually work in real-life. When you inconvenience others just to win a contest, its pretty selfish.
This was very well done guys, fantastic race and participants. Thank you for the hours of entertainment. Every aspect of this race, made it hard to stop watching. Made my Saturday, thx
Oh man. First 4 hour TH-cam clip for me with regular speed. Awsome effort guys!
I’d be interested to see how much it cost in total for each truck how much electricity did each one use and average price/kwh
3:31:46 I think this was the big takeaway from this trip. Both the Cybertruck and the Silverado EV were letdown by their respective charging infrastructure. V3 Superchargers are just underpowered for the Cybertruck, and while Electrify America has the best coverage of any public charging provider, most of their chargers and even charging sites struggle to actually supply 500 A to 800 V EVs. E-GMP cars are really threading the needle because they can benefit from the 800 V chargers while not requiring them to provide more than 350 A.
yeah, this was an infrastructure failure, it's crazy that they were basically tied until the end, if the Cybertruck had enough power, it would have been so close, but the Silverado had the bigger battery and pulled it off to win
@@danielzhang1916 It's not just the bigger battery. The fact that the Cybertruck couldn't charge past 30% in order to maintain the same average charging speed as the Silverado EV maintains to ~60% put the Cybertruck at a serious disadvantage. That means the Cybertruck needs to make four times as many charging stops just to hope to keep up, and any charging past 30%-40% or reduced power from the charger pretty much negates that. If Team Silverado didn't have such a sub par experience with the public chargers themselves, they would have finished a couple hours ahead.
So no, not "just a big battery."
@@newscoulomb3705 yeah I know, the Cybertruck had a disadvantage from the beginning, they had to keep pulling over
@newscoulomb3705 - Tesla launched the Cybertruck with conservative charging speed. I guess to play it safe. They just announced today a 20% speed increase in charging for the cybertruck through a software update. My guess is they'll even increase it more thru another update at a later time.
@@ronin7645 Perhaps, but that would still leave it trailing the Silverado EV 3WT by a considerable margin. Even if, after the update, the Cybertruck could maintain the same average charging speed as the Silverado EV 3WT to 50% or even 60%, it would still need to make 50% more charging stops on a longer trip just to maintain parity.
And that's the 3WT, not the big battery RST or 4WT, which average 250+ kW all the way to 70% to 80%. Also, as hobbled as the Silverado EV was by the public charging, the CT suffers even more on the Superchargers. Even with V3 operating at 100%, the CT can't charge at its fastest speeds, and it appears as though the CT will put a V3 cable into limp mode after only 10 minutes at full power.
CT owners basically must use the public charging infrastructure if they hope to have any chance of reasonably matching the Silverado EV's charging and long trip capabilities. So again, at this point, it's more about these trucks exposing weaknesses in the charging infrastructure.
This was by far my favorite series on this channel. Thanks for the extra long informative and entertaining content.
Thanks guys. You're all crazy! 😉👍
are we keeping track of charging times and cost of charge at each station?
Each truck may have that feature
Fantastic video. I really enjoyed it although it's testing things that I'll never been able to afford (nor the Cybertruck will ever come to Europe apparently). I liked the adventure and may have only wished more images of beautiful American landscapes.
Well done: really entertaining.
Kyle needs to set up a race when Farrah picks up his Macan Ev!
I am amazed by how close this race was among the three trucks going coast to coast. Impressed by all teams that is not an easy trip to take. I like to see how long each truck took to charge for the trip. That is probably the difference in the race.
yeah the Silverado and Cybertruck were basically tied until the end, if the Cybertruck had enough power, this would have been a different story, it's crazy they were basically even with just a 5 minute lead
Just finished a 2500km drive in the Tesla MY LR 2023 through 5 countries in Europe and it was awesome! Binge watching all your Videos while doing some kind of a race myself :) Thanks Guys!
I feel for the Lightening team. I’ve been there running out of juice about 100 yards from a v3 supercharger. But I was towing a trailer with my X so i took a hit to my previously brimming confidence. It happens!!
lol I love how grumpy and delirious everyone was on the last leg
Everyone but Team Lightning was hangry
Atlantic to the Pacific now that is just terrific.
So, how much did it cost to charge each truck total??
glad someone noticed the change in screen integrity, I noticed this in the showroom, crazy.
Asking people to move so you get a better charge it’s fine because you’re asking them, moving the charging so it looks like it may not work is a little sketchy morally, but leave it how you did after putting it like that was rude, Even with the apology, I don’t drive electric, If that’s what you’re going to do to win race, it doesn’t deserve a win if that’s how you’re gonna play the game.
If the charger is full somebody will try it anyway so all this pearl clutching is laughable.
Agreed. As an EV user it actually pissed me off. You aren't trying to get home to family you are doing a race with friends in this.... Kinda upsetting.
4 hours? Challenge accepted!
I just looked, didn’t realize it was that long, it went quickly.
Did you finish it?
@@rosetheblackcat yes
@@rosetheblackcat yup, an hour ago
@@rileygilles2736 you must have been waiting I respect your dedication
So what were the results . Silverado first , 2nd Cybertruck 5 mins behind but had to top up to do the last few miles so 15 mins gap , then Rivian about 20 mins after that. Crazy after over 2000 miles trip. 4th was the super comfortable F 150 , several hours after the rest arrived. Still a great truck.
Yup! I rather do this trip in the super comfy Lightning
@@irfanhusein1445 mee too. Plus it has two glove boxes. And a table to eat from. What more would you want.
it's crazy that the 3 trucks were able to keep it close, if the Cybertruck had enough power, it would have been a different story in the end
That's a lot of cope, 5 hours longer is abysmal.
@@andrewashmore8000and you can cook pizza on the center console!
Another great weekend matinee! Thanks for the entertainment guys!
Well done guys , epic trip , road trips isnt everything , its not the end of the road for the lightning , still a very useful affordable vehicle .
Lightning: "lets see what we're pulling here." And then apparently kidnapped by aliens cause no info follows.
Trouble with the SCs with the CT are exclusive to the CT. I just did a 433 mile road trip in my Model Y with 2 charging stops and they were perfect, as usual.
People who block charging spaces to protect charging speed are the same people that complain about ICE vehicles parking in charging spaces. Superchargeholes.
Now included with every cyber truck a handy 4 pack of pink microfibre cloths !
I love Kyle's passion and enthusiasm. Without him this wouldn't have gotten done. With that said, his youthful impatience cost his team. They should have stayed at just about every stop until the Cybertruck dropped, at minimum, below180kw or so. The time lost getting off and back on when added all together is a lot longer than if they had stayed to said deeper charging points. Unless I'm mistaken, did they not unplug on one stop as soon as it went below 240kw?
In fact, that would make for a FANTASTIC VIDEO: Two Cybertrucks racing one another:
-- One with TEAM KYLE and his youthful impatience (or in his eyes: optimized charging).
--And the other with TEAM DAVE and his laid-back wisdom with deeper charges (and of course, his restaurant tour).
Quick, someone bring that up to Kyle.
I think it didn't matter until the last stretch, yeah they should have stayed a bit longer, then it would have been a different story, it's crazy that they were basically tied until the end with a 5 minute lead difference
@@danielzhang1916 The only way to find out is to have a race between 2 Cybertrucks like I just mentioned above.
Thank you Max for editing this 4 hour video, and 4 hours for the past 2 videos! Lots of work went into this!
Tyres on the Cybertruck are the biggest consumption Problem. Best regards from Germany and thank you for the great "Race".
One hell of a trip. Great testing of the trucks and charging system!
This is a comparable length to Lord of the Rings 3, but better ⚡️
Great series, props to Kyle and team on keeping it close with the Cybertruck!
I want a road trip partner like Kyle. His knowledge of EV's would be so reassuring.
I think this showed that EV road tripping has far fewer negatives that just a few years ago, but there is still tons of range anxiety/effort to plan charging stops. Hopefully in a few years with the continued improvements to to charging infrastructure, a few years from now this won’t be a big deal to cross country an Ev.
Normal people doing a road trip aren't trying to run their battery to 0 and plan their charging around actual breaks. By the end of the decade all of these DC fast chargers are going to be 350kw chargers and should have credit card terminals hopefully.
The Silverado EV is amazing - it was far from optimized and the CCS network was spotty, but with 4 adults and an open bed it still beat the CT despite Kyle using every trick in the book to optimize for a win. Now imagine what the Silverado EV would do if GM like Ford had access to NACS by the time of filming...
I gained so many points with my wife today. Caught up in all the laundry, and did chores while watching this. Thanks!
😂
One of the best ever EV road trip videos from you guys and also on the whole of TH-cam! What an amazing bunch of people! Would love to hang out with you all some day...
Would be great if this test/race was done annually with the latest & greatest models. Would be very interested in how times might improve with next years models & infrastructure.
And make it real interesting for everybody include gas powered vehicles so people can see just how lousy this electric crap is
@@glenmurra3856 I'll take a slightly slower road trip 10 days out of the year so I can charge at home and never have to go to a gas station or public charger the other 355 days of the year.
A lot of fun watching you guys do this and end up in my home town. Even though this race is not reflective of normal everyday driving it does show the state of the art really well. I am hoping the car manufacturers pay attention to what you did and experienced. Nice job guys!
4 hour video, crazy. I'm watching it (background) while I do some paperwork.
Before I forget, will you tally how much the cost per truck to go on this long trip? and cost per kWh, and miles per kWh?
Some of the most entertaining content I have seen on either tv , utube etc. It’s great to see real people in the real world doing great things.
Damn the editing is on point, videos getting better and better Kyle, awesome to see! Great content.
This series was amazing. I’m here for all of this!
It's really interesting to see how tired everyone sounds in comparison to the earlier episodes. Apart from your dad, who appears to have some sort of Tony Stark personal reactor.
As a former 600rwhp 04 cobra owner and a current 24 model y performance owner I love this.
The model Y feels like having a 500rwp cobra like when I had a ported blower. Not as strong as the Whipple 2.3 but easy as anything to drive. It's really amazing. Love it
The people who use a rag to keep the handle cold are the same people who complain about delisted chargers
The cold rag actually helps protect the handle as it doesn't have any cooling like the cable. They should have been using ice on the rag to really help it.
@@junehanzawa5165 it just tricks the sensor, which is there for safety reasons
@thelegendaryfk7922 The sensor is watching for overheating. If you keep the handle cooled, the sensor knows the handle is not in danger. Therefore, you're helping the handle stay cooled, which is best for longevity. Has nothing to do with tricking any sensor. Anyone who says that, including any of these drivers, doesn't understand how it works.
@@junehanzawa5165 the only one who doesn't understand how it works is you and everyone who does this, as you said, the handle has no cooling, the rag is only cooling the outside of the handle, the inside is still getting stupid hot (you know, the part where all the actually important stuff is), only now the sensor doesn't know this is happening, and just lets the charger overheat and kill itself because it thinks it's fine when it is in fact very much not in any way shape or form.
i hope tesla sends people like you the repair bill for these things
@mysteryboyee This doesn't even deserve a reply because you're clearly one of those incapable of understanding why we don't fall off from the bottom of a round planet. But here goes for those that do.
The Tesla V3 handles have 2 sensors. One for the exterior to prevent it from getting too hot to handle (a lesson learned from V1's) and a second for the interior metal pins. If you only cooled the exterior, the interior sensor would still cut down the amperage (which causes the heat) if the interior of the handle gets too hot. So when you use an exterior cooling source that doesn't cool the interior, the interior sensor will still bring down the power. The only way the interior sensor won't bring the power down is ONLY if an exterior source is keeping BOTH the exterior AND the INTERIOR cooled below each of their heat thresholds.
There is NO TRICKING THE SENSORS. The sensors don't have a heat sensor for themselves. They only measure the INTERIOR and exterior temperatures of the handle. If the interior of the handle is not kept cooled below its threshold, the INTERIOR sensor will bring down the power. So yes, a wet (preferably cold) rag helps protect the handle for as long as it can keep it below a certain temperature. As soon as that wet rag effectiveness is gone, the sensors bring down the amps. That's why it only helps for a few minutes.
Who needs an action/adventure trilogy when we get this for free (or perhaps an Out of Spec t-shirt).
No way would I ever consider buying a Ford F-150 Lightning after your breakdown experiences. I've owned Fords in the past and always had problems with them. Thanks for this video. The Silverado was quite impressive.
Yeah, how much is the Silverado?
That was a dumb comment. They ran out because they pushed it too far and forgot what happened on the trip to Florida. It is a great truck. It just needs some adjustment with software. Most people don’t run it down to that low of a charge. Plenty of lightning owners love their trucks and never had this problem.
Tom Maloney and others have lightenings with no problems. They pushed the truck too far. It also could be this truck. But after running out with Kyle the week before you would think that Dave would have said don’t go below 30 miles or whatever per cent. It wasn’t like the were going to win they were hours behind the pack. It is a great truck but not to go against faster charging trucks.
I just got my very first EV so I'm binging your videos. I really hope everyone has as good an experience as I have had so far!
Glad to see that that Silverado won in spite of the quirkiness of its charging curve and the typical EA gobblygook. GM really needs some better software engineers all around. Software is my only concern with getting the Silverado or Sierra, but it is not just an EV thing for them as they have plenty of issues with software on the Colorado/Canyon and Silverado/Sierra 1500s. 😐