You'll Be SHOCKED How Far a Chevy Silverado EV Can Tow vs a Gas Ford F-150!
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This is what people were expecting from the F-150 lightning. GM have done it. I tow a lot and i can tell you, 230 miles, going mostly 70mph, with a 8.5 feet wide long ass boxed trailer, is VERY impressive. For a 1st generation electric pick-up, it's promising great stuff for the future.
agreed
It is impressive, and when you do the math the Silverado gets the equivalent of 32mpg WHILE towing!
I had my lightning for over a year and sold it before this truck even came out. GM is way behind
@@AaronBrooks0321 it's not wayyy behind when the product actually meet customer's expectations. Unlike the F-150 wich is not made to tow long distances.
Don’t get your hopes up pal. With these EVs they’ll make it to where they’ll be able to make your pavement princess un-drivable if you post mean comments online and they’ll manufacture them to fail, leading to insanely expensive repairs, just like kitchen appliances. Just face it, nothing will ever beat a diesel in terms of mileage, pure power and…. Emissions. Guarantee these EVs pollute far more than modern diesels do.
That drive is fairly flat-ish, but the winds crossing those grasslands can be absolutely brutal. I did that tow in August with my 2024 Silverado 2500HD with the 6.6L gas and 10 speed and got like 6.5 MPG going 70 MPH with my travel trailer, which is similar in width and weight to these, but taller.
I haven't watched one of your videos in quite a while, but I'm glad y'all are still doing good real world testing on new vehicles and giving EVs an honest review. It definitely has its downsides, especially for towing, but your no-nonsense review really helps to highlight both its pros and cons.
Wow! What a well produced video. I was thinking this is just like watching any other automobile magazine or specialty show out there. Great filming, great commentary, and awesome music where it really helps. And fantastic editing to polish it up. Nicely done TFL team!
Good video guys, and it's impressive how far EVs have come in terms of battery size and charge speed. But I'd still choose a diesel for long distance towning.
Thank you for watching.
100%, OP.
If you're doing it regularly, absolutely! A few times a year wouldn't be much of a bother to me to have to charge a few times.
Dropping trailer to fit into charging stall would suck. Also having to drive 60 mph on freeways to get any decent range would be a major hassle. Towing a camper or trailer at 70 + mph would destroy Range…. No thanks
i would love a PHEV Diesel hybrid .... would be really impressive combo
Would be good to see a business use case total cost of ownership (TCO) analysis for the Silverado EV vs Silverado gas WT. For a construction business that tows trailers for equipment or materials, for instance.
much MUCH cheaper. labor is $250/hr right now.
30% less parts and when they do break, less time taken to work on it.
@duramaxadventures5832
Where is labor $250/hr? We're like $135-$150/hr here...... Total cost analysis includes purchase price and resale as well. I think you'll find the results to be WELL in favor of the ICE powered truck at this point.
I think a landscaping business that covers a small area.. 100 miles a day.. this would be a home run for
@@nickdeluca7742 labor is 190 to 230 at the coasts now
@@nickdeluca7742 ...his lawyer works on his vehicles apparently...
Next time you guys do this, count the number of gas stations you go by while the EV driver is in panic mode. That is the real problem with EVs, not range anxiety, but charge availability anxiety.
They be able to charge on Tesla chargers and they are all over. I've never had range anxiety in my Tesla
Exactly! All those gas stations with MULTIPLE vehicles filling for less than 3 minutes each! Do the math!!! 30-45 minute [FAST] charges bring teh LOLZ.
No, the real issues is broken charger when you arrive at the chargers. The apps are notoriously inaccurate as to whats working and available ahead.
@@atg1338 30.000 Tesla chargers in the USA and only 12.000 will be available to non-Teslas. Tesla may have a virtual cue system as well.
Tesla is building over 500 stationer per year in the US, averaging 10 chargers per station. They are increasing that pace each year.
Separately the infrastructure bill is providing for chargers every 100mi along highways, states are finalizing their funding plans for this project.
Great result! I have the same issue towing my boat behind my Bolt EV; I recently had to disconnect the boat, park it in a spot nearby, and then move the car into the EV charging spot. There were chargers nearby that would accommodate a car and a trailer, but unfortunately they were down at the time.
I owned a Bolt for a year, loved it (even more than my Tesla), but man range tanked the moment you changed any variables. For me a roof rack and/or a tiny trailer. But it's expected considering how efficient it was designed to be.
Have a Rivian now and those things have much less impact
Bolt is based on older battery tech.
@@GORT70 Yes, the Bolt has older battery tech, but that has nothing to do with any of the comments in the thread above?
Low T men in this thread.
@@GadgetMan777 I have a 2017 with a new battery. Living in the south my car calculates range based upon the fact I usually have the A/C cranking. So one fine morning after fully charging my car overnight I decided to drive with my windows down and enjoy the fresh air since it wasn't miserable outside. Due to how the car calculates range and adjust according to your current drive I actually arrived with more range than when I left the house! It was a good 20 mile drive too! LOL! It was a good lesson in how a car figures your range and how much the A/C kills a battery.
Awesome video TFL, thanks for making this.
I like the real world stuff you guys put out. Access to charging stations, convenience, shutting off the AC to increase range, etc. Good job.
Been driving EVs for eight years. If I'm concerned about range, I'll slow down. Doing 55 vs 65 greatly improves range, shutting down the AC has little effect. During the winter, preheating while plugged in greatly improves cold weather performance.
@@steven4315 Are you sure about AC having 'little effect'?
Your average small window/portable AC can draw over 1kWh. I would assume an EV AC is around the same.
That's quite a bit of energy basically 'reverse' L1 charging
Thank you for the kind words.
but to me shutting off the ac isn't rite cuz anyone towing in the real world isn't gonna do that so...
There was no reason to shut off the AC... that was for dramatic effect. They had plenty of range and drove by a lot of chargers if they really had needed the extra juice. If anything, they were driving too fast while towing. Literally over my local speed limits.
I wish they would just focus on the true issues and not make up things. Charging infrastructure sucks. They were lucky the chargers even worked. The fact that in a lot of places you're going to have to unhitch to charge is a pain in azz.
Great comparison video! How long does it take to charge the Silverado from near empty with the different level charging stations?
Thanks for testing.
Getting there, towing capacity is good now, range is almost there. It's clearly close, and going to happen. Charging stations and batteries just need a bit more development. If I didn't need to tow all the time, I'd go for one now because I have enough solar that all my charging would be free in town, but most of my towing is rural long distance.
@@kidamere2408According to their data, it's almost 4x less efficient.
lol yeah because the gas went 50 miles@@bonustimeslots
@@kidamere2408 Try looking at the kwh used and the equivalent mpge, it's not too hard to comprehend.
Yea or ever driving to another country. So from Washington to Alaska is basically not possible for an EV yet and forget about Mexico. 😂 better to have it and not need it than need and not have. If we bought the bare minimum, 99.999% of the time people could use an ebike.
Good on you, for having a solar array that can charge a BEV.
That is very impressive, I have a 2019 Yukon with a 6500lbs travel trailer and I get about 200miles of range per tank. That is an impressive result!
The 3 minute refuel of your Yukon makes it even better than the EV.
@@derekk6906not when you consider how cheap electricity is at home
Too bad that Yukon may not make it long lol
@@derekk6906 ev charging at home saves time every day. Love the ev cars. More power. Charging at home is cheap.
I talked to someone recently who is using an F150 Lightning as a work truck (construction) and loves it. They are able to use public chargers when needed but do the rest at home, where it's much cheaper.
Except for long road trips, EV trucks are bound to be very popular.
Over time I also think that towing giant camper trailers will be less popular.
Your wrong, gas will win, as EVs are junk
@@jamesocker5235 hes only wrong in that it wouldnt work on long roadtrips too. range and charging network will improve. Evs are differend but overall better
@@deathwing5639 nope, they will be worse than diesels as manufacturers and stealership work hand in hand to rape your wallet. High cost of ownership and increased insurance due to increased fire hazard, poor cold weather performance all will prove new EV designs as junk. If we would have stayed with simpler DC designs you would gave had reliability and simplicity as selling points but this current crop of overcomplicated crap just will leave you poorer in the long run. Hybrid designs are better, and maybe if we had a proper affordable batt chemistry progress could be made. But no these are like wind turbines, feel good money wasters. Have at it if you like but don't try to force this garbage on me. When the designer of the EV1 one controller told GM to puss off as they created garbage he was right.
@@jamesocker5235 Hmmm. Well, the next junk EV you see, let me know. I will buy it.
But you know what's junk is all those Right Wing Traitor nut jobs spouting junk on TV that actually kills people. But I guess you just don't care, huh?
@@jamesocker5235 I have a degree in electrical engineering, and the last 30+yrs, I've been an early adopter for many things in technology.
I regretted my purchases almost all the time.
Practically speaking, EVs are still terribly impractical for longer trips and for the very large majority of people.
These are all Generation 1 trucks, early adopter material.
Don't let the marketing and hype tempt you.
Great job guys as always, love the road tests comparing the newest offerings in the truck market. One thing worth noting here: regardless of the vehicle platform, when you use these fast charging stations on any EV vehicle, you are putting a tremendous strain on the battery pack to receive such a high current of electricity, and that strain comes in the form of heat.
Over time, such repeated use of these fast chargers will drastically shorten the life and usable life cycles of the battery pack.
Further research and investigative work needs to be done to more clearly show what the expected drop in percentage of battery life is likely to occur.
Tesla has this data, a lot of it, and if memory serves me correct, they found the effects of fast charging on battery life is negligible.
F-150 Lighting Owner just sold it after 1 1/2 years of ownership. We have free electricity and we put 7600 miles not spending a dime till I sold it last week. We sold it for two reasons, Winter Loss, full charge was always 240+ miles, and 30f or colder turns to 170 on average. We have a property over 1 hour away we can make that easy in the summer towing 3000lbs on one charge. It's impossible in the winter as the only charger is 60 miles in the opposite direction of the stop. If you want heat it pulls roughly 5.1kw as much as 3-ton hvac, ac is 3.2kw. To get real-world testing both would need to be used during testing. We loved the truck it was so much fun to drive but the range plus winter made it a hard decision to keep.
Thank you for the good feedback.
Seems like this Silverado would be a suitable upgrade!
@@jghall00 It does look very nice but we decided to hold off on an EV truck in hopes of better infrastructure. We traded for a new 2023 Ram 1500 since they had 11k off the sticker. We still wanted to take advantage of the free electricity and found a 2023 Bolt EUV Redline out of Texas for 26k and only $550 shipped. Which will be used for all local driving.
@@brandyjupiter7785 We keep our Expedition for towing and daily drive a Focus Electric. Bought it for 14k with 17,000 miles in 2021. It's at 68,000 miles now with no repairs, just tires and the 4G modem upgrade.
@@jghall00 For now that is the best way, I can get most of the range back in about 25 minutes in the morning. Just leave the charger plugged in and max the heat out. But the problem is once we stop and work for 5-6 hours it's lost the range again, plus what was used and no were to charge.
Big fan. Love your videos. Add some hills, some normal non baby speeds , and colder temperatures and this would be tough. Especially because finding 150kw chargers is very hard to come by. You'd be motelling every 140 miles.
That would be awful
But true
Pretty amazing what the Silverado EV can do. I have a Rivian and have towed a ton. I like how the Rivian automatically halves the range when you go into tow mode and will go up if the drive is more efficient. I pull a pop up camper and the Rivian still gets 1.6-1.8 mi/kwh
How much does that trailer weigh and what kind of range do you get?
@chadstellwagen3460 about 3500 lbs. Range is affected more by wind drag than weight. Easily 200+ miles with the pop up
Silverado does what amazingly? Better range with a bigger battery?
@gbpg2016 being that efficient in general with the added large battery. No one else is hitting 450 miles. Rivian is close tho with dual motor max pack
Sure 🤡
That was a great video. Thank you for doing this new test with this new rig. I can't wait to see if the cybertruck can come anywhere close.
Fascinating! My neighbor has a Lightning which he absolutely loves. We need to hook my enclosed trailer to it and do some experimenting before it starts getting cold 🥶
The Ford lightning is a complete joke Look at some of their prior videos when they tried to go to Alaska with that POS hahaha
I did. I got 125 miles.
You know what is funny I have watched Andre wait 30 seconds and then top off so many times know I do it. 😅😅😅 good morning TFL
I do it too. But I wait 30 seconds and slowly press the handle. It squeezes in way more fuel
For some reason, his 30 second wait comes to mind at every fillup. TFL changing car culture!
That is something they pulled out of their rear ends. There is no evidence it makes any difference in consistency. There IS plenty of evidence that shows topping off your tank on a regular basis is bad for evaporative emissions systems.
A have owned a Dodge Ram 1500 for that past 16 years. I have pulled boats, jet skies, horses, lift equipment, landscape trailers, tractors, campers and more. I pull a trailer at least once a week for something. That said, maybe 5 times I have used my truck to pull further than 232 miles in one day. So I guess that means that I could have charged at home overnight the entire 16 years with only needing a charging station just the 5 times.
These ev trucks are getting better and better. Though id prefer a slightly smaller one. Maverick ev wpuld be great.
Excellent update.
Wow, I towed 10k from Missouri to NYS with a 2018 F150 EcoBoost 10 speed auto in 2018, and got 11mpg using premium fuel (with the AC on at times), driving almost exclusively in manual mode, and hypermiling as much as possible.
11 mpg with gas at 33.7kwhs per gallon in total energy. Means over 3kwhs used per mile. My 2019 f-150 is also 10-12mpg when towing.
For fun the tesla semi at 80,000# and doing 55mph gets 1.7kwh per mile in consumption. 😁
Not too bad. My 21 f350 6.2 dually averages 8.7 mpg overall. It has lumbar racks and tool boxes (concrete setup) and half the time pulling bobcat and trailer.
Thanks for video. I understand going back to ranch to save money on charging. But it would have been nice to do a time comparison on how long it takes to charge to 100% vs filling up gas.
And true cost comparison on “filling” both trucks up retail…
That is how real world EV users use fast chargers though, they add enough miles to comfortably complete their trip home where they charge for a much better rate. It is also better for their batteries to slow charge and not charge to 100% unless needed for a road trip.
they said it would have been $98. same as the ford f150. i'd say advantage to ford because he still has 100ish miles left.
Not how to drive an EV
@@KingLuis1985 and can fill up to 100% in just a couple minutes, with gas stations within 15min of each other in most areas.
This was a great video and really has me thinking about an EV truck now…
Price is still a really big issue as this is a “work truck” and cost $70K… also it would be interesting to see another test with the 2024 F150 as they all come standard with the 36 gallon fuel tank… so how would that effect the comparison??
Great video and keep up the incredible work!! 👍
fuel tanks size doesn't matter, because it takes few seconds to refuel and there are millions of gas stations everywhere plus you can take as many gas cans as you want, so you can drive pretty much non stop.
Is it standard? I thought the 36 gallon tank was optionable on all trims. To me the bigger the tank the better because it weighs little empty and you can fill it with just what you need and there is room for more rwnge if you need it but withoht the weight penalty that comes with trying to get more range in an electric only type where you carry that massive battery around full or emoty it weights literally a ton i think. A literal metric ton 😂 2000 pounds or something wild
@@jakewillits4678 all 2024 and newer F150s come with the 36 gal from everything I have read. It’s simpler to put it in every truck vs making different size tanks… just like how most manufacturers are going with one bigger standard screen vs smaller for lesser trims. It’s all about cost saving!
This is pretty exciting, we got 9-10mpg on our f150 and now get 9-10mpg on our Titan XD. The Titan has a 26gallon tank so we are used to stopping every 200-230miles, and with a newborn it’s mandatory to stop for a good bit. This is very cool, seeing we tow on the weekends and can charge for free at work, that’d free up 5k a year in fuel alone 😂
You went from the second worst truck on the market to the worst (no longer) on the market truck. Talk about a glutton for punishment.
@@scottysgarage4393 if you only speak on sales and not engineering, you are dead wrong. f150 have the horrible 10 speeds with an actual engineering problem ford has yet to resolve with a class action lawsuit. silverados get stolen pretty easily AND their v8s arent anything special. they have some ridiculous engineering that they have been doing for years. the plastics are still bad as far as quality. barely now are rhe putting out something better but not for the price. then you have dodge with a simple manifold being warped? ON A TRUCK FFS! plus their weird engine power loss and the transmission issues with park and drive engaged.
you know what issue the titan has, NOT THE CUMMINS XD THAT YOU ARE PROBLABLY REFERRING TO. that it wastes more gas than normal and has LESS features on the dash. you know where it beats trucks right now that most customers dont care because they dont tow or use it as a truck? THAT IT'S REPAIRABLE WITHOUT SO MANY SENSORS AND STILL HAS MOVING PARTS INSTEAD OF ELECTRONICS. Simple suspension front components, simple v8 (updated but still vk56) and a more reliable 9 speed transmission from Jatco.
oh did you also see where the Nissan Titan is made? More american than other trucks. crazy.
nobody wants a truck they are unfamiliar with. but for 5-10k cheaper higher trims, yall want to say chevy, ford, and dodge are good? LULZ.
@@ayowheredeeway The Nissan Titan is no longer made. Nissan pulled the plug because every aspect of the thing was utterly inferior to even the abysmal Ford. Hence why they did not sell well new and do not sell worth a crap used.
GM's LS engines from '97 to 2014 are likely the best mass production V8's ever made. They are, in fact very special, which is why they absolutely dominate all performance applications.
The rest of your impenetrable screed isn't worth dissecting.
@@scottysgarage4393 how was the Nissan utterly inferior 😂
-2014 sierra Denali 6.2 lifters and cam replaced at 24,000 miles clunking transmission and vibration GM bought it back
-2015 GMC sierra Denali transmission replaced, torque converter replaced 12,000 miles. After replacement truck vibrated horribly on the highway GM bought it back
-2016 ford f150 platinum 3.5 48k miles traded in no issues
-2017 f150 platinum 5.0 97k miles no issues
-2021 f150 platinum 10 speed issues ford said nothing wrong.
-2022 Titan XD 20k miles on it nothing wrong.
Sure it’s not the fanciest truck out of the ones I owned, however it drags my 6,000lb camper way better than the previous ones. Even towed a 14k dump trailer no problems, did the same dump trailer on my f150 at 8k lbs and I was almost on bump stops and dancing around 😂.
@@newenglandrvadventures It's ok. You screwed up and now have to make excuses. At least you won't have to worry about it again, the hoopties from Nissan are a thing of the past. Enjoy your zero trade value. Also, no need to lie; GM did not buy back two consecutive trucks. They'd have let you take them to court first and you'd still be there.
Regardless, there are always people who can break an anvil, and suckers who willingly choose junk. You keep doing you.
This was absolutely an amazing video! Thanks for doing this one!
It would be really interesting for you to get a quote to replace the motor and tranny on the f150 and then a quote to replace the battery and 4 drive motors on the gm. The average person will have to finance a truck over 84 months and would also be interesting to see the payment cost, taxes, energy cost and insurance cost. Do you think the 475 mile range on the Gm would still hold true after 2 years of use? Thank you
Cell phone rules would probably apply. Degradation of the battery.
My co workers and I were curious about this and we found out the price of the Subaru/Toyota EV battery alone is $37,000 if I remember correctly. That was back at the beginning of the year so who knows if it changed or not.
@@TheFlea1987 Much smaller Tesla batteries approach $20K and expected lifespan is something like 8-10 years. EVs are expensive to buy and at some point the resale is going to reflect the cost of replacing the battery...if you can even replace it. I know Ford stopped offering replacements on some hybrids.
if you have to finance over 36 months you cant afford it.
the f150 engine BRAND NEW from ford full assembly (including turbos) is ~$28K installed. transmission another $9,000. GM's battery we dont know yet. f150 lightning's battery is $22k installed (again for a 100% new pack). no word on motor pricing YET. hope this helps.
great video, thank you very much!
232 miles is quite impressive. It would've done 240 miles np. Interesting to see how it does during winter. Would love to see y'all do another EV Alaska trip, like what y'all have done with the F150 lightning. That's still my favorite series y'all have done so far.
Anyway, this gives me a lot of hope for the future. Also, Roman was definitely right about the F150 lightning having too little of battery capacity. The F150 lightning was a rushed proof of concept compared to the EV Silverado, still a cool vehicle, and it has a lot of pros if you're ok with the obvious downsides.
It would probably be similar. Just using the batteries will warm them up and then the range probably won't be much different.
Until you realize that you only charge to 80% for each consecutive charge on a road trip.. You only charge it to 100 at home
So each additional leg is only 185 miles of range
AND the amount of time to charge is significantly longer than filling the ice with fuel
@@marcjampolsky5280 you can fill to 100 it'll just take longer. 185 miles between stops is quite a bit. Averaging 60mph that's a stop every 3 hours. For many stopping for 30 mins every few hours isnt a big deal.
Also that's only on road trips. And that's just going to keep improving.
Obviously... But you do understand that if it takes 45 min to charge to 80, it'll take ANOTHER 1.5 hours to charge the remaining 20% to 100, right?
And 30 min? Lol
Not with the size of this battery
Also... You buy a vehicle for what it can do NOW, not what 3 generations in the future can do
Btw... In cold climates like -30c you need to expect around a 30% loss on ev's
I once owned an 07 Tundra with the 5.7. When it was fairly new I once towed a trailer similar to the ones you are towing from Wyoming to Texas. I was stopping every hundred miles to get gas. On the trip up to get the trailer I averaged 18 mpg, the trip home I averaged 4 mpg. That Chevy EV did a pretty good job.
and these are just the early stages of ev… my only concern is chevy engineers… they can’t even get the electronics right in their gas vehicles.
Wait five more years and next gen of battery or other storage device is here... tech is going to exponentially boom
Unfortunately in five years the latest Silverado EV will cost $175k and the cost to charge it once will be $200
@@wirebrush batteries continue to improve and get cheaper, so I suspect that your prognosis will be incredibly wrong.
@@trippplefivelike on the 23 Colorado smh
I am honestly very impressed with the towing range the Silverado EV was able to get but the charging infrastructure and speeds are going to have to get a LOT more comparable before it’s going to even come close to making sense to me (IMHO).
Nobody is trying to convince y’all that EVs are for you, these trucks are for the folks who already know a EV is the answer for them. I think that’s the part many of y’all haven’t comprehended. This truck already has buyers on a waiting list, they aren’t hoping it finds homes, they’re in a rush to get their production ramped up so they can deliver and satisfy the ridiculously high demand.
This truck will undoubtedly improve in a variety of ways, but it is a home run as is.
GM (and pretty much everyone else) can start using Tesla super chargers in 2024.
Sure. Maybe. I looked it up last week and .59% of the vehicles on the road are EV. That doesn't seem like a lot of demand to me less than 1% even with a government bribe, a pretty substantial government bribe too 7500 dollars. @@G-Rated
That should go well for lines waiting to charge.@@mr.tomatohead5648
For speeds to increase, the grid will need to get better, and that will cost more, give it a few years, gas will be cheap electric will be expensive even at home
The thing where gasoline will always win is time. You can fill up easily in under 5 mins and continue on + there's no "planning" on where to fuel up, you fuel up when you need to at any random spot and there will be gas stations no matter where you are. I'd also like to see a test with an EV with alot more miles on it to see how much that effects the battery life. The Ford F-150 for example in this video had 65,000 miles. If the EV had 65,000 miles.. I imagine it would not go as far as it did, whereas obviously gasoline is not going to get reduced range over time like an EV would. Not to mention the insanely high costs of replacing one of those EV batteries.
You can charge an EV while you sleep. Battery replacement is extremely rare, although since the Chevy is new I don't have data on it.
If you use around 150 miles a day, the Silverado is an option
You imagine a lot, why not use reality.
The problem is fumes. Try this..go in your garage,close the garage door,turn on your truck and see how long you last. Multiply by how many billion ICE engines in the world.
@@jaaklucas1329 I encourage you to google Lithium Mine.
You imagine, LOL. Try imagining the future of the world without humans. Open your eyes.
Please do the worlds toughest towing test! I want to see how GMs version of the electric truck does as I’m thinking this could be the truck for me (I’m also in CO … but not on the FR).
This test was unfair. He'd ve tested all the way at 65mph~75mph, w/ AC on. In that case I bet the range would be 150miles-ish
EV's range gets destroyed driving up hills without towing (yes only hills). Towing through mountains isn't an option, you will get close to 30 miles with a 3K load at 5% grade
@@irvinewayne4086AC isn't going to make any significant difference at that point. He was using about 1 KWh per minute driving, or 60 kW of power. An AC unit to cool an entire house in the peak of summer is like 3 to 5 kW. And you're far, far smaller than a house. It's probably going to add an extra 800W on average, taking you to 60.8 kW of power usage.
Wonder how well the EV would tow in the dead of winter stuck in a blizzard and how long the charge would last?
I would love to see them repeat this same test in January to see how much the cold effects each.
Not that bad compared to a stock ICE pickup. To keep warm in an EV, the battery can last very long while stationary. Depending on the state of charge, it could be greater than a week. An ICE truck requires that the engine idle, which wastes a lot of fuel when stationary and only used to warm the cabin. An example of how well an EV can handle this kind of situation compared to an ICE was the infamous I-95 shutdown in 2022. People with ICE vehicles ran out of fuel trying to idle for 30 hours. Having said that, I use my truck for towing. I've never been stuck for more than a few hours. My factory tank is 36 gallons, and I have an auxillary tank that's 88 gallons, plus I have two 5 gallon jerry cans that I can use to walk to a station should the situation arise (never has). That's 134 gallons of fuel total. At 11 MPG, that's 1,474 miles before I'm left walking. An EV will have a hard time matching that.
In short, EV excels at being stationary. ICE excels at moving down the road, especially while carrying substantial weight.
@@vivillager who said anything about the trucks performance stationary in the cold? the original post and the only other reply is about towing
Been driving EV for eight years in Indiana. A lot longer than you think. Heating is separate from the motor, so while you were stopped you would only be running the heater and that truck has a huge battery. Factor in heated seats so you would not have to have cabin temperature very high to be comfortable.
@@Stackali, "who said anything about trucks performance stationary in the cold?" That would be the original post. Stuck vehicles don't tend to travel far, fast.
One of the thing literally no one talks about is the exponential increase in the cost of electricity if EVs become more prevalent. Every gallon of fuel has state and federal taxes. If fuel isn’t being utilized, where do you think those taxes will go? Now you don’t just pay more to drive, you pay more for using anything in your home.
New thing this year with my state DMV...higher tax rate on my hybrid vehicle. Why? Because I don't purchase as much fuel and therefore don't pay as much added fuel tax as non hybrid vehicles. However, I do make up for that somewhat with the copious amount of diesel I buy for my Duramax.
For a country that claims to believe in global warming, fossil fuel pollution, and fossil fuel depletion, resistance to new nuclear power plants is bewildering and unforgivable. Of course electricity will cost more as more people buy EVs. Of course the gvt isn’t giving up all that tax money! It will be interesting to see, and sad, to see how this plays out over the next few years.
Here in Kansas, around 700,000 customers got an email stating our electric rates are increasing 9.9% by the end of the year. And we have some the the biggest Wind Farms in the country.
@@garysarratt1 This is my concern also. EV truck doesn't make sense for me because of towing and range, But Everyone uses electricity. I have a feeling we will all be paying much more for our electricity at our homes and business in the near future. It will cost utility companies a lot of money to increase their power generation and transmission lines to service all these EVs that are supposed to become more common. They aren't going to just absorb that cost. It will be transferred to every one of their customers regardless if they own an EV or not. It seems like nuclear power is the only thing that make sense for the type of demand these vehicles will add. But they won't do that. It will be a more coal, NG and expensive stupid wind turbines.
The only reason electricity would get more expensive is if supply isn't increased which it should be because the demand increase would be pretty stable. Electricity generation capacity hasn't been added in the last 20 years because electricity demand has been flat despite an increasing population due to the efficiency increases of lighting and appliances. If demand increases, generation capacity will be added to the grid but as of now, the demand increase has only been moderate. The things that make headlines is when weather events cause a spike in usage.
Great video, and the first to show real world EV truck towing range that is getting closer to being truly functional for haulers like me who pull my large horses to events. The 8000 pound weight is a realistic test, and the added stability with the heavier EV is a decided plus I can really appreciate now since I sold enhanced F-250 diesel and my 34' LQ 3-horse trailer. By comparison to my effortless towing experiences with that setup, my F-150 Platinum with extra towing equipment/capacity does NOT comfortably pull my loaded 2-horse tall/wide bumper pull trailer-with on paper is 1/3 to 1/2 my truck's spec towing capacity-without a notable feeling of heavy weight behind and, worse, uncomfortable buffeting, especially when semi-trucks and even big vans pass. On the negative side, EV battery charging stations and networks are a long way from even adequate for my needs. I can not have *any* range issues or problems pulling in a station towing a trailer or taking too long to recharge with horses--or even worse getting stuck with dead batteries on the side of the road somewhere or at an event overnight. So I'm getting encouraged about the progress with EV trucks but they seem far from adequate for my needs for the foreseeable future.
Why the f*ck would you want to tow horses with an electric vehicle that uses fossil fuels to burn to make electricity stored in batteries mined by slaves in Africa and China????
Keep in mind range drops significantly the colder it gets and for some reason driving in the rain.
Really helpful review
So if you didn’t go home to complete the charge it would have cost the same to charge up as to fill the gas truck plus the time it takes to charge? I would not want to pull that trailer cross country with an EV.
I agree; not my first choice anyway. But if I bought that EV and made such a trip twice a year, then sure. I would be using a less than perfect tool but save fuel cost when charging at home (assuming there was charging available there, a big if). I would say that apartment dwellers don't really have a good product for them yet.
Ive got a buddy who does very well for himself. he got a Ford Lightning, and had a charger installed at his home. He said his energy bill has more the quadrupled since he started charging at home. It doesnt matter to him, hes loaded, but I cant imagine that jump in utilities
@@christiandulaney1638it's still probably a net savings over filling a gas pickup to drive around town
@@christiandulaney1638If your electric bill goes from $80 to $320, and your electricity costs $.20/kWh (higher than mine costs), that’s about 3,600 miles driven per month.
Getting 20mpg in a gas truck at $3.50 per gallon that’s $630 worth of gas vs $240 in electricity.
@@christiandulaney1638 Tell your buddy there might be a special EV rate schedule he can get from his utility company to reduce his cost per KWH.
Do the exact same test in cold temps/winter conditions. 😊
Probably much worse but let’s be real, you see 95% fewer trailers on the road when the snow hits. Most people use half ton pickups to tow RVs.
With 800V charging architecture and battery pre conditioning it ain't that bad anymore.
Headlights, defroster and seat heaters on. I mean who has ever done that before come on.
You gas or dsl will suck fuel also in the cold
Thanks for the video! Very informational. I'm planning to buy an EV truck, but not for towing. I do need to carry things in the truckbeds from time to time. 400 miles per charge is good enough for me because most (if not all) of my work is local. It doesn't make sense to tow with an EV. You will be looking for a charger every 2 hours that's bad feeling.
SPOILER ALERT : EV gets 50% of it's projected range towing 6500 pounds.
I don't think anyone is expecting the EV to outlast or even meet parity with a gas vehicle. This is display the capabilities.
Love that Chevy is stepping it up on towing range! Can’t wait to see more testing on the Silverado EV. But seeing that the cost to charge the EV on the road is the same as filling a gas truck….still would absolutely stick to gas.
Yeah, EVs make sense only if you mostly charge at home, where the cost is about 1/3 what it is with public charging.
Russia and ExxonMobil agree with you 💯!!
Also Saudi arabia, they need more income to plan the next 9/11
@@Bfranklyn731 Where do you think the electricity comes from that they use to charge? It sure isn't solar and wind. (Fossil Fuels just in case you needed it to be 100% clear).
what ridiculous, uneducated statements. good lord, keep watching corporate media champ.@@Bfranklyn731
When I lived in Colorado (up until 7 years ago) they had some of the cheapest gas in the nation, Here in PA we're about 30 cents cheaper now.
Where in pa?
Great Test!
Also gotta note that F150 had the 36 gallon extended range tank (optional), if it was the standard 26 gallon Andre would have been pretty close to the same range. However I do feel it’s a fair matchup as the Silverado EV had its max battery pack. Just an interesting note.
there is a smaller battery pack for the EV too. Plus they forgot to calculate the 20% reserve that any vehicle should have. Plus charging your EV all the time at 100% is really bad. So....
You already got your best case scenario, so do not try to stretch it even further.
@@enovationsgrbest case scenario is them using a gas tank that is 20% larger than what comes on that truck standard without them mentioning it? 😂 👌
@enovationsgr 20% reserve? 😂 that applies to when the fuel warning light comes on. That truck comes with a 26 gallon tank, a 26 gallon tank is a 26 gallon tank. 26gallon × 9.8 mpg= 254 miles. He would have been running on fumes if he didn't have a larger than standard tank which he never mentions.
Wait a minute.....it would have cost the same amount to charge the EV as it did to fill the F150? Not sure why anyone would pick an EV if you tow. Thanks for the video to further support my decision to buy a gas truck last month!
You'll pick the EV, because Democrats will make sure you have NO OTHER option. Unless you've been living under a rock, the cult of "Climate Change" has become the best corporate revenue generator of the 21st century. Forced EV ownership is a part of this elaborate money scam.
@@skellington2000 Yes, because everyone who uses a truck for long range towing or as a work truck always charges at home, right? We can also make ethanol and biodiesel at home and save a bunch at the pump, so what's your point?
Exactly. Don’t forget if you purchased a diesel you will have even better mpg. I drive a golf tdi and I figured it out multiple times that it’s just as cheap to drive my golf OR CHEAPER than an equivalent ev. I get 600 miles of range. 2 min to fill. Fuel is EVERYWHERE
exactly...if you are towing you likely wont be at home to charge (I'm not) which is why EV's are more of a pain and not as useful as some make them out to be@@skellington2000
Another idiot that can't think logically. He even said in the video prices are different at different chargers. It was way cheaper to charge near the ranch. It's also way cheaper to charge at home because unless your a contractor, nobody is towing 200 miles every day.
A single cab long bed for city construction or local suburb would ideal. Keep these range and power numbers and get a decent payload and they got something for sure. Charging for 20 bucks at home vs 100 in gas is a real fast way to recoup money as well. Not perfect but looks like they are getting closer.
You just summed up EVERY EV.
Local use ONLY.
Which is the entire point...they want to reduce everyone's mobility and be able to turn your cars off whenever they want.
But how long would it take to recoup? This Silverado EV 4WT they test drove has a base price of $79,800. A regular cab 2024 Silverado 8ft box with the 2.7 Turbomax 4x4 starts at $42,245. Over 2000lbs payload, 310hp, 430tq, 28 gallon tank and around 9500lbs towing. So that's $37,555 MORE up front to get a Silverado EV 4WT (which are fleet only).
@@ls6097drop the tin foil hat bud
@@killercan10you aren’t comparing apples to apples.
@@mattbrew11 A 2024 crew cab 6ft6in box 5.3 4x4 starts at $50,085. A $29,715 price difference to the base price of the 4WT Silverado EV. That better for you?
All of our small towns Sinclair in Oklahoma closed up.. one day open. Next windows boarded up.
Thank you for calculating the eMPG and kWh for comparison. The EV is 4X more efficient, which is more than I expected and represents the best test I've yet seen of real-world, high-drag application of ICE and BEV powertrains. Yes, the EV has less range and will not be a top choice for long-distance towing simply due to the location, time, and parking penalties of charging, but this comparison tells me that BEVs are becoming more competitive faster than I thought.
The EV “tank” capacity also shrinks as batteries do lose their capacity with every charge. According to GM and Honda this will start to happen at about year 3. Gas powered silverados will not lose their tank size in that time and basic maintenance will ensure close to new or same as new fuel economy well over 100k.
What does ICE and BEV mean?
And ICE requires constant maintenance, has frequent failures and greater running costs, not to mention the noise, toxic fumes and byproducts and lower overall performance (torque, power and efficiency). Battery degradation is minimal and newer chemistries are improving this every year.
@@Gig-th3erinternal combustion engine, battery electric vehicle
@@Gnosticware The EV has all of those things and worse, because it's charging off a coal fired electric grid. You're not saving the world, you're destroying it quicker with EV's.
At the end for the comparison I would also include the price and the efficiency if you charge the EV with the fast charger because it would be about the same 9 MPG or so as the gas. It is a bit misleading only including the price to charge at your house since you discussed using a DC fast charger for a trip at the end of the video if your truck could fit. Also I would include the charge time to full since this will be very significant.
TFL does everything they can to make the EV's look as good as possible. Even they didn't want to wait or pay for the Chevrolet to recharge back to 100% to have a fully apples to apples comparison.
That's real world though. If you're close to your house why would you pay 3x more for electricity and sit there and wait for it to charge? Nobody would do that.
@@mr.tomatohead5648 Real world will involve both home charging and fast charging when away from home. Being on the road and knowing how long you are going to be stuck at a charger is as "real world" as it gets. Generally there will be far less "urgency" when charging at home.
@@markmonroe7330if they really wanted to make the EV look good they could have just started the trip at the house and ended it at the house and the guy wouldn't have had to use a charger at all while the f150 would have to go to the gas station. Y'all don't want real world tests, you want them to make EVs look as bad as possible by having them do things no EV owner would do. This isn't an apples to apples comparison because it's an apple and an orange. One vehicle you can charge at home for .17/kwh the other can't. If you have to use chargers that charge .47,/kwh and can't charge at home then an EV probably isn't for you, but this video is real world because he can charge at home.
@@markmonroe7330and there's plenty of videos showing that and I'm sure tfl will show that too, but that's fringe case and everybody wants to focus on the fringe case. Most people travel less than 235 a day. They commute to work and drive a little around town here and there or go to a near by lake for the weekend. What's that experience like for an EV? This video is about towing a load 235 miles. If and when they do a video towing 500 miles then they can talk about charging times, but paying .47/kwh and sitting there for no good reason when you're house is nearby isn't real world.
impressive how much more efficient the EV is at using energy to move down the road vs gasoline
When paired with the ability to generate your own power via solar and store at your own house in batteries this becomes a really really efficient way to get around
Except that it isn't. EV trucks cannot compete with gas or diesel trucks. Period. Thinking you can produce enough solar energy at home to charge this truck is a fantasy, the cost to build in your own quick charger via solar and have battery banks properly built in would be astronomical. There's nothing efficient about these EV trucks at all.
To be fair, gas and diesel really can’t compete when they loose 80+% of their energy in heat….very wasteful. But, wasteful or not, about 5% of trucks actually do work and the charging infrastructure is not yet there for those use cases.
Of course the people who get to vote on what kind of trucks are purchased are those who can afford new trucks. That determines the used market down the road.
@@egregiousblunder5395 Problem is us breathing fumes from billions of ICE engines in the world...
Great comparison with lots of usable information... The only thing I wish we could have found out was how long that Silverado took to charge until it was full on the commercial fast charger.
If you're driving east of Denver you're driving downhill overall too. I used to drive that route all the time and had a TDI. noticed a 5-10mpg change going east versus west on 70.
I've been waiting for this one!
Love driving our Bolt EUV, but no way I’m replacing my F150 gasser with a truck EV
Live long enough and you will. Progress stops for no man.
@@trendel13 no, progress is figuring out a way to make our existing vehicles run on clean fuel. In fact, Porsche is already working on that.
@@trendel13 We will all be dead before that
@@ajf5745and where will the fuel come from? 😂
@@skellington2000 fuel currently is already close to that price
For road trips you gotta get used to keeping the battery low. In my Tesla I often get down to 3-5% on road trips and charge up to max 60% before leaving for the next supercharger, it makes traveling much faster as the charging is so much faster at the low battery SOC.
Great video! How long would it have taken to fully charge the Silverado at that high speed charger?
How long did it take to recharge at the EA station?
It's got a 200 kwh battery, assuming if you are charging from 20%~80% of the charge state with a 350kw charger you are looking at approx. 20 minutes.
Fully charged like filling up the Gas truck it would take over and hour maybe two to 100% state of charge.
I recently saw, on Transport Evolved, a semi trailer with extra batteries and its own drive train. I'm looking forward to camping trailers set up for small EVs to tow set up that way.
They have that from airstream, but its over 100k for that trailer
Who is going to afford that!? Lol!!! Extra battery plus electric motor and all the electronics that goes with it! With ICE it's super simple you have a bigger fuel tank or auxiliary fuel tank or jerrycans! Period! Not that in against EV but it's fact! Diesel gives you the most of the range possible
$100K truck and $150k trailer coming to a campground near you soon, if they have the range.
Great insight, thanks for the video. I’ve only driven a EV for a weekend as a loaner at MBZ and the butt pucker is real when you don’t know if you can make it to your destination. Also, don’t know if different video equipment was being used, but the background road noise seemed louder in the EV compared to the 150.
All EVs tell you exactly what SoC you are going to have the destination and I have never seen one less accurate than +/- 2%. It takes a week, you get used to trusting the range estimate and the pucker factor disappears.
Have towed a fair bit with my X75D. Number one range killer is speed, much more of an impact than load in trailer. 75 mph (120 kmh) is faster than I tow, by a margin. You can significantly increase the range by reducing the speed to about 90 kmh (55 mph). You will increase your trip time obviously but if you're going 225 mile, you're adding an hour to your trip but you will get further, so it will take a little thought to decide between burning the range if it's a shorter tow planned vs running a longer distance to reduce charging needs. Of course, the ICE is being affected exactly the same way, we just don't notice it. Great video, keep up the amazing work.
24:57 Just FYI, but the $0.48 per kWh is the non-membership rate. Because the membership can be cancelled at any time and it pays for itself after the first 60 kWh or so, it's really a no-brainer. So the cost for the Silverado EV charging up on an Electrify America charger should be about 30% less than what the F-150 cost you to fill up.
Yep. Makes sense.
Time though is money bud
And you are pulling off diesel chargers at the end of the day
@@keepmusicevil89 I'm simply referring to the actual cost someone would be paying to recharge using Electrify America. I'm not arguing about the use cases where "time is money."
If you did want to go down that road, though... For most fleet uses, the Silverado EV would save BOTH time and money because there would be no discrete fueling events (i.e., driving to a fueling depot or station). All you do is park in the bay at the end of the day, take 10 seconds to plug in, and wake up in the morning with another 4 to 6 hours of driving range for 20% of the cost of a gas truck.
@@newscoulomb3705 Right, and maintenance is LOTS less money on an EV. That's why the stdealers and the Big 4 and Big Oil fought Tesla so long.
I think a better comparison instead of cost to recharge/refuel, would be efficiency based on how well the trucks do unloaded vs loaded.
I thought this was a great comparison gas vs ev
About the Silverado Mileage range, I have a VOLT and I have confirmed many times that the range display is VERY accurate.
I would like to think that since the VOLT and Silverado are from the same company, that same accuracy would be reflected on the Silverado.
BUT we know GM buy lowest bidder so cant say how reliable that mileage range is. It looked like it was pretty close, so thats a good thing.
ALSO you are correct when you say you can drive a slower speed to save energy. I've done it on test runs many times and you can actually increase the mileage you can drive by dropping your driving speed. I have been able to exceed the expected mileage from the battery by keeping the speed down. This shows that if you are a very aggressive driver, you may not see the projected mileage advertised, but the miles display WILL correct and display the miles left in the battery.
Now if you are driving down hills, the regenerative braking can actually put some power BACK into the battery.
Driving an electric vehicle is simple and fun but there are things to learn about them that you won't see in an ICE vehicle.
Great video!
Great to see an apples to apples comparison! I was very frustrated reading early reviews of towing with EVs where the reviewers acted like it was shocking the range dropped in half. This is what happens when towing with gas as well. EVs have their issues but it is, in my mind, more an issue of convenience than unexpected incapability.
I still say it would be interesting if they Towed long distance in an EV on a freeway without having a buddy follow along in an ICE vehicle. That would be much more realistic.
Except with gas you fill up in 3 mins and are on your way. And charging the ev cost just as much money as the gas truck. What a joke. And some poor congolese child died in a mine to dig up the cobalt for the electric turd. The whole advantage is supposed to be saving money on gas. So much for that. And he had to shut off his air conditioning to make it 🤣 They have to disconnect and drop their trailer just so they can get into a spot only to wait 45 minutes to charge and save no money. EV is garbage
ev makes sense as a city car for yuppies @@270eman
The range DID drop by half. It has a 212 kwh battery, double the lightning, of course it goes twice as far.
Put a 80 gallon tank on a diesel pickup, is it now a wonder truck that is better than the competition?
I tow with an ev and charge at home at night. Compared to my Duramax that I used for commuting, I'm spending less on my current monthly payment for my new truck than I was on diesel every month. That let's me keep my Duramax free from commuting mileage and in good shape for long distance towing when needed.
Oh, and a bit hypocritical to criticize lithium mining when your gas money goes to the middle east AND you're probably messaging from a cell phone or a laptop with a lithium battery in it.
Too often the video shows the EV drafting the F150. How often did you switch who was leading? To be a fair comparison you would need 1/2 each way. Drafting makes a big difference regardless of gas or EV.
Still an interesting video. For those of us with a bigger trailer/camper EVs are a long way from being acceptable. Not to mention the hassle and time of finding a charger that is available and working.
Plus they unhooked from the trailer at the charging stations. Not realistic.
EV will not be around long.
@@selder03I’ve seen people in rivian s and the lightning un hook why is this unrealistic? I get being critical but can we try to be a little write things off immediately just cus it’s different?😅 y’all just be ready to hate stuff sheesh gruff old yt dudes lol
You have no idea how close you have to follow to be drafting, do you? I rewatched to video and didn't see a single instance of drafting. I'm wondering how many people that upvoted your comment even watched the video at all.
@@stephenwerner1662 You don't have to be right on their back bumper to benefit from drafting. That trailer punches a big hole through the air.
When in an ev truck, if you use cruise control, when it lets of and slows down does it regenerate or apply brakes?
Superb test
Curious if you let EV draft the ICE vehicle the whole trip or did you switch positions during the trip. I know when I travel long distances I’ll draft behind semi’s to increase my gas mileage.
This no doubt improved the ev’s range. The 2nd veh should be at least 1/4 mile behind the lead to prevent drafting.
I was just going to make the same comments. The Chevy seemed to spend a lot of time in the Fords slipstream..
From the perspective of a truck driver, please don't "draft" us. It is too dangerous, and because of that, we really don't feel comfortable with drivers that close to us. We can't see you. If we have to hit our brakes suddenly, you won't have time to stop. My driving pet peeve is tailgaters. You have to get within just around 10-15 feet to get past our buffet zone.
I noticed it too, it's very hard to believe it was able to get 1.1 miles/kilowatt hour while towing without any 'help'
One question I have is when the Silverado goes into an aggressive regenerative braking do the brake lights come on to prevent you from being rear ended? fI would have been curious to have seen how long it took to completely charge up using that DC fast charger.
@skellington2000 it's not obvious or nobody woulda asked it.
@@skellington2000 You say "obviously", but there was just a recall for EV brake lights NOT coming on when using aggressive regenerative braking.
Yes, as with all EVs that I know of, if the regen is more than a certain threshold (more than an ICE car in gear off the gas basically), the brakelights turn on :)
yes in one pedal mode.
Why? EV users don't 'fill up' at charging stations. It's a waste of time. Of course you get some dumb ones out there though......
Excellent video y'all-- answering my burning questions! Up until now I've said "if an EV can tow 250 miles then I will be satisfied". We're soooo close to that figure! At that point it will match (and in some cases beat) my 2015 Ram 1500 with the 3.55 axle.
My Ram 1500 can tow my 6000lb trailer 310 miles going 65mph. I won’t get an EV unless it can match that and get close to same distance in cold winters below 0.
They are coming along, i simply need to give it more time.
Ok that's a good point about cold temps too. I was towing a ~9500lb Airstream for reference @@JS-nd1po
Why is the range the only important thing? They still take ages to charge and their resale value is shit because the batteries cost do much to replace.
@@jamesfranko5098 If you have to ask then we probably don't have the same problems :)
Great job on this video TFL! IN OHIO the county auditors inspect and regulate fuel pumps for accuracy. I wonder if they will check charging ststions for kw hr accuracy?
Not to mention extra like 200$ off the batt for your plate tag.
Compared to the Ford F150 Lightning where they towed something like a 9500 lbs Airstream (88 miles towing), the 200+ mile range of the Chevy EV is VERY GOOD! The difference in size aka aerodynamic square footage versus these smaller trailers DOES make a difference BUT it does show the Ultium battery pack is really really good on the all-EV Chevy!
Ford will need to UPDATE the battery formulations on their F150 Lightning signficiantly in order to match this excellent towing range!
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I have Hemi I do 228 220 miles per tank with a fifth wheel 28.8 weight 7400 empty, when i go to florida hemi gas regular tank
@@mikesamson8888 Your Hemi is a POWERFUL but Fuel-Guzzling engine! It will suck fuel like no tomorrow! If you can afford it just fill-up as you need more fuel!
Eventually, EVs will get the 1000+ miles per charge rating needed for towing the typical 300 to 500 miles done today with ICE engines trucks connected to heavy trailers and big cargo!
Give it a few more years!
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Hey, TFL guys! What is your take on about the 3.0L Baby Duramax compared to the EV trucks in the half ton segment? Would love to see a comparison video. It seems like no one has really compared them head to head for daily use, trips, towing, and overall all usability, just talk.
All the companies are pushing the EVs. Ram and Ford stopped their production on their small liter diesel engines. But GM are still producing and working on their small liter diesel engines (for now.) GM’s diesel trucks are cheaper then a comparable EV trucks. Are the EV trucks really worth getting if you use your truck as a truck? I know the EVs are the future we are headed towards and they are improving the battery and charging capabilities.
I would love to see a true head to head comparison. I believe the TFL crew does a great job of comparing and showcasing vehicle capabilities. I understand companies only allowing you a certain amount of time with the vehicles and you can’t choose a specific vehicle all the time.
Have a great weekend, and keep up the good work!
One more thing. Why not a diesel hybrid? Like diesel powered, but the battery and motor will help. Toyota, Ford, Ram etc. has hybrids but for their gas vehicles, why not diesel hybrid?
Diesels are expensive, and hybrids are expensive. And the problem with diesels is their emission controls, which really struggle with short driving cycles. A hybrid that regularly shuts off the diesel engine will only make that problem worse.
May be for trucks, build a diesel electric. Use today's diesel electric locomotive trains where the diesel engine is always running but supplies the electrical power needed do drive the truck. This certainly would not be cheap, but I would be curious if it would be economically feasible for large trucks like semi trucks, or maybe a 1 Ton.
A decent apples-to-apples comparison guys! Great work.
i'm 16m in. this is why battery size really matters. towing 6500 lbs he used 32% of the battery to go over 80 miles.
this is what people don't understand about batteries. a battery pack that is twice the size at low discharge rates (no towing in this case) lasts twice as long as a battery 1/2 its capacity. but at high dischage rates (towing) the small battery's individual cell discharge rate is so high they run into their own internal resistance. a battery twice the size doesn't. under high dischage rates a battery twice the size lasts MORE than twice what the battery 1/2 its size does. thats why this truck is going to go ALOT farther on a charge than the f-150 EV did.
Thanks for sharing that. Very important detail to understand for other vehicles.
wow - genuinely impressed with the Silverado EV towing numbers!!
No EV s EV = AV Anxiety Vehicle
@@zoobrizz ICE @ $5 a gal + DEF = Broke all the time.
And when you factor in the cost of the EV, it's cost per mile is way more expensive than a ICE. The one factor no one ever seems to factor into the equation is time. Waiting 30 minutes to charge on a fast charger vs say 6-8 minutes at a gas station. Saying you only put enough of a charge into the truck at the charging station which has a higher cost per KW and charge the remainder at home at a cheaper rate doesn't account for the lost time. The ICE can keep going and going and going with 6-8 minute stops to fill up vs. 30 minutes at a fast charger, or longer at slower chargers. I just don't see the value in a EV yet. I do see the value in hybrid vehicles, I own 2, a 2012 Prius and a 2019 Camry. The Prius has 280k + miles and still going strong on the same batteries. Only getting around 46 mpg now vs the 51 mpg I used to get when it wasn't so long in the tooth. The Hybrid Camry is getting 55+ on a regular basis (got 57.5 on a 200+ mile trip a couple of weeks ago), and is at 60k+ miles now. BTY, I also have a F-350 DWR CC 4x4 diesel. I thing hybrids are the answer for now, and can see hydrogen vehicles with electric engines as a long term answer in the future. Hydrogen eliminates the issues with disposing of a bunch of used batteries (which no one ever wants to discuss), and there will still be the same issue of developing filling stations for your car to fill up at. At least with hydrogen the fill up time is comparable to filling up with gas or diesel today. Thanks for the side by side comparison, much better than what you got with the Ford F-150.
Hydrogen isn't being mentioned because certain politicians aren't invested in Hydrogen like they are in rechargeable batteries.
All True. Panasonic made the first Li-on battery application for a car over twenty years ago and the had the same compromises that oems face in 2023. Only thing that has changed is people like Scary Mary of GM decided going to THREE THOUSAND POUND batteries would be the answer lol. The mining process of Li-on is incredibly dirty and they never tell you that the amount of co2 generated to make these things means you have to drive it 36K miles before it becomes "green" over an ICE vehicle. Toyota will win this battle in the end as the Fed and state governments will eventually cave into the restrictions for EV as it will never be sustainable for the masses. This will be further exacerbated by a failing economy where the working class has less equity and a banking system that will be unwilling to underwrite the paper to pay for these huge ass frames full of Li-on cells costing multiple thousands just for the Li-on. Ford has already burned over 6 billion and continue to lose over 30K on everyone made. These companies have completely lost their minds. By the time they realize their mistakes Toyota will be far ahead in its hybrid game. Probably why Ford has partnered with Toyota for that hybrid tech. Jim Farley at least had that plan for a backup. GM on the other hand has way too much committed to EV. Their EV rollout is not sustainable. And Dodge and friends have really very little to offer and are already left in the dust. They are doomed.
I think your right for long range driving. In a road trip I got about 40mpg equivalent due to supercharger price, but in 1219 miles my 5 stops only 1 was 30min the rest between 15-25. Like video here where Tommy said do charge full each time and it’s quicker.
I have 43k miles from 11/19/23-today 9/23/23 on a 2023 model 3 Tesla. So I put a lot of miles on a year usually 140-250 daily with a lot of idle time. When I need to charge it’s less than 5 minutes just enough to get home unless I am having an exceptionally long day driving up and down the state.
All this I formation to say from someone that drives and idles a lot at the model 3’s capacity it’s not a lot of time at a charger like everyone thinks it will be. Like I said above 5min to get home usually. Now if you don’t pile on the miles like I do you’ll start to wonder how much time did my ice make me waste at gas stations and convenience store overcharge me for snacks/drinks.
Correction don’t do full charge each time
Unless you are road tripping, fast chargers are not used by most EV owners. Typically, you plug in your vehicle at home and forget about until you need to drive it next. I heard one guy say that his charge time is about 30 seconds s few times a week. That time being how long it takes to plug it in in his garage.
Nice job with this one!
So interesting how having a few years of EV experience has changed how you communicate these comparisons.
200+ miles towing is amazing, now need pull through stations!
Thanks for the review. I own cattle and am seriously thinking about the the Chevy Truck EV; Not as a replacement for my diesel but to be able to haul smaller loads at least 150mi. the 6500lbs you tested with is similar to what I am thinking of hauling (maybe closer to 8000lbs). But you're testing has shown me that it is at least feasible. The only other capability that would hinder my decision would be the vehicle's ability to handle off highway ranch roads and it's durability when travelling those types of roads.
Great video, glad the EV did well . Still way to much , especially for a work truck .
Depends on how you look at it. Total cost of ownership the actual important number in these situations and while the EV will cost you more upfront it's going to be cheaper in basically every other way throughout the lifetime of the vehicle.
Nice to see! As you said, we're still in early days for EV trucks and I think even in the next 3-5 years we're going to see some dramatic improvements to the battery tech and charging speeds. The Lightning was built off of the existing ICE platform and has performed quite impressively considering that fact. Their actual ground-up developed EV truck should be released in 25 which I'm looking forward to seeing.
Ditto... And when solid state battery tech is perfected and implemented (around 2030) people will be complaining that ICEVs don't have the range of EVs and take too long to refill! 😊😅😂
@@GeeDeeBirdlol doubt it
@@ragnarlothbrok6240 Whether you doubt it or believe it will make absolutely no difference. I believe in science, research, investment and capitalism. I'm what, in better days, was called an ordinary American.
It's not about the first tank or charge. It's about not having to sit and wait for the second.
Towing on a flat route is helpful as far as it goes. But I'm in Colorado Springs and tow a travel trailer weighing about 7300lbs. I am not sure what to think of the range going up mountain, and when a charge is needed, I doubt charge stations (forget fast chargers) will be available in the areas we camp and sightsee. Plus, one would have to have charge stations spaced at the needed intervals.
So, for outdoors types out west, I don't see an EV Truck to be a realistic option.
If you have the option, it would be nice to see how the Silverado EV does at the Ike Gauntlet or similar.
Thanks for the video.
How long would it take the EV to charge? Should have let it charge full and time it. The real towing test should also factor into total travel time so the EV could have an hour penalty with approximately same price for "fuel".
Yea that's a big factor. Trips take twice as long when you factor in refueling. Going 500 miles in a gas truck is no big deal, going that far in an EV takes several hours longer due to at least two refills midway and when you arrive at your destination. Also the $11k price premium for that EV buys roughly 3,000 gallons of gas currently. Considering that most people will take out 84 months loans to "afford" these vehicles, that extra $11k is actually over $13k once loan interest is accounted for.
@@unitedgraycurrently, is the keyword. You folx really like to focus on the present but the reality is gas is getting more expensive overall and the writings on the wall cheap gas isn’t going to last forever… what will we do then?
yeah but if he charged at home then it would be the gasoline truck with the fueling time penalty and much larger fuel costs. I guess we each have to figure that in based on our situation. Certainly there does not seem to be a fuel cost advantage if we use public chargers.
@@unitedgraybut they take out 84 month loans to “afford” the gas truck too.
@@Michael-pi8ps Yes, and the difference of an additional $11k financed over that period is an extra $2k.
I’m curious how much of a difference insurance would be on the trucks?
I have a feeling not much difference. We have a EV6 and a ICE Mazda 6 and the insurance is the same with AAA.
I can tell you as an insurance professional that the heavier the vehicle the more insurance will cost due to liability.
Also I’d guess the EV costs more.
So from a point of you hitting someone else along with cost of repairs being higher the Silverado is likely at least 25% to 50% more to insure.
EV pickups make a great case for short range work. Lawn care, some construction companies, local deliveries, etc. It wont work for me but there're plenty of uses. I'd consider a plug-in
PEHVs are a perfect balance today
@Avi8er - An EV is a plug-in 😁 …
You guys went to a HUGE amount of work to make this video!!! Dang!
How long does the life of the battery last? do they give you a warranty? How much does a battery cost to replace?? does insurance cost more for ev's?
8 yrs/ 100,000 miles, in California 10 yrs/ 150,000 miles. The Ultium battery is designed so that a bad cell can be replaced. GM says any generation Ultium cell will work. Some of the oldest EVs out their are Nissan Leafs and you can get replacement batteries where the bad cells were swapped out with good cells from other used batteries.
Problem is that when more vehicles go electric the gas tax income will drop significantly, so in order to maintain that income the price of charging your vehicle will increase.
In Texas, $400 EV tax, and $200 to renew registration each year. For a gas car, about $75 to renew registration each year.
@@cousinjohncarstuff4568 If that's Texas...how bad is it the rest of the country? How bad is it in California where registrations are already crazy?
@@donhappel9566last year i paid $840 to renew the registration on my F150 😅
The gas tax portion on regular annual use is only 240 per vechicle.
They charge ya more that that on the EV Tax
This was a great comparison. Also, I'd love to know about your radios... what HT models you use, are they gmrs? Etc...
You can get some other interesting figures if you connect a ODBII reader and a car scanner app. Things like current power draw. Which lets you also check things like how much power does the AC or heater use. The AC in a Ford Escape actually doesn't use much, between 600-1200W (max A/C is closer to 5KW).
230 mile round trip, towing a 6500lb trailer. That's actually a rather impressive performance by an EV. The F150 lightning's abysmal 90-mile range, towing a similar trailer had me seriously doubting the viability of EVs in heavy truck usage.
$80K for a work truck is still not very viable. That's over double what my XLT cost out the door just 5 years ago.
@@plmn93agreed but for a first attempt it’s not half bad (though I still cringe every time I hear it’s weight and how much battery is required to achieve this performance).
@@plmn93 40K is now 55K. XLT 4X4 crew cab no option is a $58K truck now.
Check out the 2025 Ramcharger... It's super impressive and checks off all the boxes!! I can't wait to get one.
You should add in time it took to fuel up vs time charging as well.
Gasoline pumps are insanely efficient compared to a charging plug in
That's pretty awesome. 230+ miles towing on the highway and 360+ kW charging. That's really impressive 👍
The 2025 Ramcharger truck is all EV for in town use but when you need distance and towing, it'll tow 14k lbs and get a decent range towing. It has an onboard generator that strictly powers the battery faster than it drains. It has a 145 electric range and a total of 700 miles for long distance, and when you need to keep going, just fill out up with regular gas. I can't wait for that truck!!