Loved it! My only critique is that this was, at the beginning, billed as a test of family road-trippers. There is no universe in which you can take a family road-tripping in those temperatures and turn off the AC. There would be a mutiny. A race rule should be that you have to maintain a comfortable climate at all times. For hilarity you should also hire some screaming kids in the back seat.
ya, i was thinking they need to add weight to simulate 6-7 people total in the car. That would be more realistic of a 3 row family SUV road trip. Some of those SUVs didn't even have a 3rd row...
I've noticed more and more people doing this, usually really young guys like Kyle. Just the other day, it was around 95 degrees, and I seen a guy walking around with a thick hoodie on..... with the hood UP.
That’s not how you travel. 15 to 20 minutes stops? I do actually when driving with other people do stops for 40 minutes since they want a bite to eat and make a toilet stop?
@@zeedustrakok it really depends on where your road tripping to…there could be more super chargers or less if really depends but I get with people it can be different!
@@zeedustrakokI do 8-10 minutes toilet and piss pauses mostly and they are really effective charging. There should be more 50kW chargers for 40-50 minute food stops so you don’t occupy superchargers overcharging. That would really make sense.
Well done to the Rivian team! I’ll be the first to admit Dom and I screwed up our EV9 performance and missed the chance to get 3rd. This was my only race to Vegas and I learned a lot about optimizing EV road tripping!
How come you guys didn’t use all the tricks and use ABRP Premium? You mentioned using a BT LE OBD-II dongle so with that you could have had live SOC to a phone running an actual usable route planner. Now granted the EV9 profile is only at an Alpha level, but surely it would have added a second opinion to the built in trip planner.
Realistically that wouldn't have helped them much. They messed up a bit by not overcharging which is their biggest downfall. If they had just spent an extra 3-4min charging they likely could have saved at least 5min on the road easily earning them 3rd place.@@skyemalcolm
To have 1 2 and 3 4 shows up essentially at the same times is amazing. Having them all arrive within an hour over a 12 hour trip is really good. It's basically the same experience.
I was waiting for Ryan & Lacey to tell Kyle & Drew that they might roll the windows down because it was so cold in the Tesla. And clearly the Model X won because they didn't need to drive 35 MPH, sit in over 100°, and didn't have to worry about a "charging curve." Great time like always, thanks.
I think there should be rules added for having to use climate and keep it at a realistic temperature. This is doubly true for road tripping a family SUV. If you are going to do legs where mostly no A/C is being used on some legs it shouldn't be a road trip but called something like a Cannonball race.
there is no EV under 40k that can beat Tesla pound per pound. Anyone saying that is just bias and gaslighting themselves. Maybe when BYD makes it here Tesla will finally get some competition but currently every legacy auto’s EV is a complete joke compared to a Tesla.
Kyle and the rest of the Out of Spec Gang are such EV enthusiasts I LOVE IT!!! Thank you Kyle & Crew for a great video I wished the Lyriq was included I do understand that it was a 3 row EUV test :)
Maybe they’ll do a race with the Cadillac Vistiq when it comes out. Or the Escalade IQ. But the IQ is so much heavier the efficiency will take a hit and it will need full power charging to get through, but it does have massive range.
"How do you help these people?" You keep creating great content like this. Four years into EV ownership I still struggle with range anxiety. Your videos of the race to Vegas will be extremely helpful for future road trips. Thank you so much for posting.
I have always loved the OOS road trip vids. The race videos are an incredible update from the old road trip videos. Keep them coming, guys! Kyle, you must do a race video with your mom and dad in one of the cars. That...would be fun!
The Kia lost because of a bad route planner, and the X won because of the best route planner. It's not only range or charging speed. ... ....Can't wait for the return race.
The Kia EV9 lost because Max and Dom didn't seem to use good route planning and they relied too much on the car's nav and range estimate. Unfortunately that's probably the same thing that will happen on the return trip when they'll all be required to use each car's built-in route planning. They should have relied on ABRP more.
@@ArtiePenguin1 Most people will rely on the car's route planner. Most are not Out-of-Spec level EV road trippers. I know there are some very good non-Tesla EVs out there now, but I would only recommend a Tesla to the average Joe because of superior route planning, and reliable and easy-to-use charging.
@@CaliJerS15 No! It's a race! A race should be treated as a race, that's what makes these fun, wring them out to their limits so we can see the potential not some boring over charge and stop cruises.
The Tesla actually has the AC on all the time, didn’t coast behind trucks, bribe or talk people out of a faster charger or went to limp mode. They pretty much did a road trip as “normal people” would.
@@tazeatBoth. There is of course entertainment value. The Tesla actually has the AC on all the time, didn’t coast behind trucks, bribe or talk people out of a faster charger or went to limp mode. They pretty much did a road trip as “normal people” would.
Exactly this! Maybe also require them to arrive with at least 5 or 10%, otherwise they suffer a time penalty. No one does a real road trip in an EV and shuts off climate to conserve every bit of energy. Most people also don't try to target a 0 or 5% arrival.
Living vicariously through everyone in this video. I’m nervous taking my e-tron on a road trip. Keep videos like this coming as it provides real world EV experiences.
Well TBF if they where actually road tripping and not racing your battery doesn't ever get that low that you'd turn off AC if you want a real normal EV Roadtrip id recommend the one Technology Connections did in his ioniq 5 with aging wheels or aging wheels polester2 vs Tesla road trip comparison
By the way, Kyle, I know it’s your signature style, but I don’t think a hoodie with long sleeves and long pants is the appropriate attire for a trip through the desert at 100. Lol
@@RayNLA robes in hot climates are made of thin cloth and are lose fitting to allow air movement. I have a set I bought in Egypt. Very practical to have your body covered but not mostly in contact with the actual garment
I would like to see the same teams run the race to Vegas again now that they know the quirks of their vehicles and learn from their mistakes. Would be really interesting to see how the results would change, if at all.
Thanks for the data. Good battery software management + charging infrastructure are really more important than the theoretical range & people should be educated about that. The charging grid is improving super fast (number of stalls, high capacity & speed) so what we have here is the worst we'll ever have (& so much better than just 2 years ago). Prices of vehicles & energy are going down fast. EVs are the future AND the present already.
Laughing at Kyle ragging on the EQS the entire drive and right as they’re pulling into Vegas goes “I’ve really fallen in love with the EQS” 🤣 Loving the series! Really excited to see the route planning return trip. The behavior seemed radically different even on this run
At 8:43, we see the Rivian doing **90mph*** on the freeway. The energy consumption and wind resistance at that speed must be atrocious. Odds are if these folks actually did the speed limit, they’d see a ton more range between charges.
great comment on charging curve. On long trips where you know you will be stopping again to charge, don't disconnect before the charge rate nose-dives, even if you have more than enough to get to the next charger!
Very satisfying conclusion to The Race to Vegas! Looking forward to the return trip. Note: If I’m not mistaken, Kyle, you have advocated (correctly, I’d say) that manufacturers and consumers need to recognize the folly of ultra large battery pack. They add unnecessary expense to the vehicle, add unnecessary and unused weight the vehicle has to haul around every single day (and pay for that privilege as well), and rarely if ever come into any practical use for the vast majority of use cases. Full disclosure: I drive a ‘21 Model 3 SR+, the slowest charging, shortest range, smallest battery pack vehicle in Tesla’s line up. I have driven this car across the US, and all over creation along the West. My wife drives a ‘21 VW ID.4 PRO, with similar battery pack size. In other words, we walk the walk and talk the talk. These kinds of vehicles are the future of EVs - affordable, practical, and reliable. They may not have the bleeding edge tech and specs that those ginormous SUVs have - and their price and accessibility to the average family reflect that. Maybe some hero episodes heralding the benefits of these smaller battery packs would be forthcoming.
Easy win for Tesla as a no compromise car, never compromised comfort or performance, which is what 99% of car owners want and expect.🤷♂️ limping in with no AC is a serious no go for most.
Sad that the Rivian got neutered on its first stop at the RAN charger. I know its charging curve isn’t the best, but I figured it would come in front of the EV9 but behind the MX. However knowing Kyle was in the EQS makes it the dark horse to win. That stretch to Salina bypassing green river is riskyyyyyy
@@RedvinezYGO When a good percentage of failures are user error, I think it does matter. You can dismiss it if you want; I'm happy with my ~99% first-time activation success on EA.
@@newscoulomb3705 no one said user error wasn’t a factor but you are coping hard if you think that EA doesn’t have trash reliability, maybe it’s good in your area but we have tons of proof on this very channel of how dogshit it is
@@RedvinezYGO Those are two different issues, but if you discount the fact that user error can amplify the number of issues people encounter, you're also coping hard to support your own biases. Yes, objectively, we know that EA's older hardware only has reliability issues with an 80% charger uptime (yes, that's bad); however, their newer hardware has close to a 97% charger uptime (much better). We also know that 9% of charging sessions fail on the first attempt, so user error might be a bigger factor in EA's perceived reliability than some people are willing to acknowledge. If you want to use Out of Spec as a reference, how do you explain that their EVs relying on Electrify America consistently beat or are at least competitive with EVs relying on the Tesla Supercharger network? Do you also hyperfocus on the number of issues Out of Spec runs into on the Superchargers? Either way, you seem to have really gotten away from my original point with my comment: Using the proper activation protocols will definitely improve your EA experience. That's it.
@@newscoulomb3705if we're talking anecdotes, as an EA user I've had bad charging sessions. Believe it or not, when using the Mobile App rather than plug-and-charge or tap-to-pay, you get different instructions. On EA's own website you see branching logic *at step 3* for either Swipe First or Plug In First. There isn't always exactly one way to do things. If you do it your way that's fine but that doesn't mean other ways of doing things are user error, especially if instructed that way by EA.
Love the road trip/race videos… entertaining adventure and they provide useful real world info about the cars we drive. I am hopeful another cannonball is in the works… though I know a lot to plan.
I never understand why the driver is holding the camera or using a phone when there’s a passenger who’s not involved in the actual driving who can hold the camera or the phone.
What happens when OOS simulates a family trip: Just eating fast food, breaks are only allowed when the car needs energy and gets a quick top up, therefore there is the constant risk of being stranded in the hot dessert without power which wouldn't have a difference from the heat perspective for the kids as the air con won' t be running by 43 C/111 F. And still it gives the best idea of how you should road trip and is serious consumer advice while entertainimg. Keep up the good work.
Why in the world would you suffer 110 in the car or driving on the shoulder instead of spending 15 more minutes at one charging stop to put you over the threshold?
@@tauzN You are right, the X did not charge well for them at first. Ryan started paying attention about how low they let the SOC get since that car has known issues at the bottom of the pack. Worse yet Lacey had them take a different route out of the starting location and they got stuck waiting on that train. I agree with you it was a solid win. The second and last stops to charge were good, and Ryan made the right call to sit and wait a little longer at those charging stops. That turned out to be the deciding factor IMHO.
Great entertaining video! I do think Tesla had the best strategy and they won deservingly. Charging a few percent more, so you can cruise faster and keep comfort in the car is the way to do it even if racing. Hoping for bigger battery capacities and better charging stations in near future.
So the results in terms of arrival time at the building (not putting up with Kyle's "well Ryan couldn't find the correct floor in the building and got confused so therefore I win!" crap. Kindly sodd off with that poor sport bs, we all know what he'd say if he were in the Tesla) from a departure time of 08:49 that morning are (including total travel time): Tesla: 20:10 (11 hours 21 minutes) Mercedes: 20:20 (11 hours 31 minutes) Rivian: 20:59 (12 hours 10 minutes) Kia: 21:02 (12 hours 13 minutes) So yeah, pretty clearly two races in one. Greatly enjoyed watching it! Question to anyone driving a gas car who's recently done that drive: how does that compare to your travel time? Genuingly curious. Edit, forgot to take into account the hour timezone difference from nevada to colorado, so +1 hour should be added to those results, my apologies.
I think keeping the EV9 in the 15%-80% range, even if another stop needed to be added would have made a world of difference of keeping those 210kw charging speeds
It’s better to come in low in an E-GMP car. Of course they came in too low. You get full speed charging from you plug in until the battery gets too hot and throttles. They should be able to run full speed and then come in as close to zero as possible. What you charge to depends on what charging options you have.
The race obviously was a lot of fun, I'd join in on one of those head to head trials any time. My road trips are family style with stops for dogs and food and breaks so I'll be interested in the Return From Vegas run. Especially because Tesla runs the old highway software and I hope the other cars have better Automated Driver Assist than plain old Autopilot. Thanks to everyone in the race and safe driving back home.
Kyle, next time you do a race like this one, the rules has to be: driving with the AC on at a comfortable setting, you have to make it to every supercharger with a xx% soc. Etc. To be more realistic. If people are driving with kids or pets this race does not help at all. I enjoyed watching the whole video but couldn’t help thinking what new EV drivers would do in situations like the ones you all went through. Looking forward to more content from OSM.
48:35 I've seen similar behavior on other EVs, and I think it's possible that the car uses different battery temperature management parameters depending on whether the car is plugged in or unplugged. What happens is, the car sets the charging speed based on the battery temperature at the time it is plugged in, and then it manages the temperature rather than the charging speed from that point forward. Essentially, if the battery is too hot when plugged in, it will default to a slower charging profile rather than controlling the temperature and adjusting the charging speed up after the fact.
Great video comparison. Would love to see a raw data table of the efficiencies of the route and legs each vehicle did. Races are interesting but a normal family wouldn't drive for hours without AC just to get somewhere faster lol. Looking forward to additional tests like this but possibly a more realistic drive versus just racing.
Hopefully Hyundai/Kia build the packs a little bigger and higher voltage on the next version. It's weird they lowered the voltage compared to the Ioniq 5/6 and Kia EV6, with that bigger battery you would expect to hit 250 to 270kw charging rather than 200ish kw.
I'm now interested in your time difference with in car route planning and would love a comparison in the future using only Plugshare, ABRP and Chargeway apps for road trips.
Love these races, some of my favorite content to watch on TH-cam. I'd like to see a new rule implemented which forbids using influencer status or money to "convince" another vehicle to move out of a desired charger (or jump to a different position in a line).
Yeah, It was Max's first run to Vegas and he did not have enough time with the car. He was too eager to get off the charger and get on the road. He said they assumed that the Tesla charging method would work for the EV9, but they are totally different animals for sure. The Tesla's you keep them on the bottom of the pack and only charge until 50-60% and then move on to stay in the peak of the charge curve. The Hyundai/Kia's don't work that way. I thought they would pick up on that after the first crawl into a charger, but they did it twice. I think Kyle called it right when he listed how he assumed they would finish and said he thought the EV9 would be in second place. I think that is probably right.
I think it has less to do with the cars and a lot to do with the strategy they took to get to their destination. If Kia took the Tesla's strategy and just overcharge to take advantage of preconditioning and speed limits, no doubt they could have won. That's the difference from first to last.
I don’t think the Kia would ever beat Model X given its far superior efficiency. We could have easily done 3rd, *maybe* 2nd if things went awry for EQS
@@ryankassel5691the Tesla sounded very loud in the video compared to the other cars, while the eqe and ev9 seem pretty quiet in comparison …I wasn’t sure if it was the mic.
Then I bought my first Tesla in 2015, it was because of the supercharging network. It continues to be the largest reason why I continue to buy Teslas. Just waiting for V4 to come for my CT.
We enjoy visiting national parks including Utah's Mighty Five. Have you thought about a video of 4 EV SUVs driving to the Mighty Five, comparing charging and routes. To prove that each park is visited, you would be required to go to the Visitor Center and stamp a Parks Passport book. The parks are Arches, Canyon lands (Island in the Sky and Needles), Capitol Reef, Bryce Canyon and Zion. Zion is pronounced Zi in, not Zi on.
I just a did my R1S road trip in 90-95 degree weather, Superchargers 100% have an issue in the heat (is it related to using the adapter?), I don't think it's the Rivian, I got limited by charging station on every single Supercharger session I did (which was like 6), the Rivian charger had no such issues and I saw much higher speeds.
OMG…. When I charge it using a 150kw charger, the speed does not come out. There’s a 350kw charger next to it. The second Rivian seat is a 350kw charger.
Well it would be the EQS for me - great car and comfort ! Ok I am biased since I am driving also a Hyperscreen car and it's soooo awesome. Also you made it a race good interesting story ! It's amazing that all this cars with such different concepts came to the target so close - especially the X and the EQS. It makes long clip very interesting to watch - while I am running on a treadmill I am driving to Vegas :)
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I can't wait to watch this even though I lived through it. Thanks for editing everything up so nicely, Jordan!
Great editing. Closing up to Top Gear :-)
was this a Rivian R1S GEN1 ??? will you be evaluating or getting a R1S GEN2 with the newer hardware.
The race to Florida had issues finding the end point as well. A better discussion of finding the end point sould be discussed on future races.
just finished watching the entire thing in one sitting! I love your content man. you have such great camera presence. my hero ngl
I feel like Kyle is betting on R1T Gen3 with 800V tech.
Loved it! My only critique is that this was, at the beginning, billed as a test of family road-trippers. There is no universe in which you can take a family road-tripping in those temperatures and turn off the AC. There would be a mutiny. A race rule should be that you have to maintain a comfortable climate at all times. For hilarity you should also hire some screaming kids in the back seat.
Spot on! Plus the random kid mess stop/ bathroom break.
ya, i was thinking they need to add weight to simulate 6-7 people total in the car. That would be more realistic of a 3 row family SUV road trip. Some of those SUVs didn't even have a 3rd row...
Update: Kyle said at the end of today's vid that the return trip would be as "normal" people would do it.
Or Kyle bribing people to give up their charger..
You can just program the audio system to say "Are we there yet?" at random intervals.
"It's so hot" says the guy wearing a hoodie.
“It’s 109 outside, it’s got to be 130 inside and 150 if you’re wearing a hoodie!”
I've noticed more and more people doing this, usually really young guys like Kyle. Just the other day, it was around 95 degrees, and I seen a guy walking around with a thick hoodie on..... with the hood UP.
@@Charlesbjtown crazy people
Its 5:45AM on Sunday in New Zealand. My son woke me up. Seeing this in my queue made me smile. So excited.
I would say the Tesla MX won by more than just 10 minutes!! It won by speed, comfort, no stress of range anxiety, and easy charging!!
That’s not how you travel. 15 to 20 minutes stops? I do actually when driving with other people do stops for 40 minutes since they want a bite to eat and make a toilet stop?
@@zeedustrakok it really depends on where your road tripping to…there could be more super chargers or less if really depends but I get with people it can be different!
@@zeedustrakokI do 8-10 minutes toilet and piss pauses mostly and they are really effective charging. There should be more 50kW chargers for 40-50 minute food stops so you don’t occupy superchargers overcharging. That would really make sense.
Kyle in a super hot car:
"hoodie stays on ok"
I know he loves sweatshirts but I would have had a t shirt in 95 to 100 weather.
@@markfitzpatrick6692heat strokes are a thing
Can somebody explain why I never have time to watch a movie anymore. But watching 4 hours with EV Suv racing is fine? Asking for my girlfirend.
"Give a man an EV racing video and he won't have time to go out drinking with his buddies".
Same!
dont forget you watch loooong livestreams from some guy in Norway also :D
Sadly i love YT videos involving EV’s, True Crime and Financial topics than regular TV. Lol
Well done to the Rivian team! I’ll be the first to admit Dom and I screwed up our EV9 performance and missed the chance to get 3rd. This was my only race to Vegas and I learned a lot about optimizing EV road tripping!
How come you guys didn’t use all the tricks and use ABRP Premium? You mentioned using a BT LE OBD-II dongle so with that you could have had live SOC to a phone running an actual usable route planner. Now granted the EV9 profile is only at an Alpha level, but surely it would have added a second opinion to the built in trip planner.
@@skyemalcolmWould have been nice. Don’t have Premium and had issues setting up my account through iTunes/Apple. It served Ryan and Lacey very well!
Realistically that wouldn't have helped them much. They messed up a bit by not overcharging which is their biggest downfall. If they had just spent an extra 3-4min charging they likely could have saved at least 5min on the road easily earning them 3rd place.@@skyemalcolm
Did I hear you guys were using i-Pedal on the highway for a while? Why? Coasting is your friend on the highway. I-Pedal is for local city driving.
@@fleecystheking we mostly lived on HDA and adaptive cruise
To have 1 2 and 3 4 shows up essentially at the same times is amazing. Having them all arrive within an hour over a 12 hour trip is really good. It's basically the same experience.
I was waiting for Ryan & Lacey to tell Kyle & Drew that they might roll the windows down because it was so cold in the Tesla. And clearly the Model X won because they didn't need to drive 35 MPH, sit in over 100°, and didn't have to worry about a "charging curve." Great time like always, thanks.
Max permissible speed 85, here's team Rivian doing 90.
“It’s 116F and we have the AC off” …. As Kyle is wearing a hoodie 😅😅
I think there should be rules added for having to use climate and keep it at a realistic temperature. This is doubly true for road tripping a family SUV. If you are going to do legs where mostly no A/C is being used on some legs it shouldn't be a road trip but called something like a Cannonball race.
Love these 'races' and all the tips and insight that come with it! Please do something similar to the inexpensive options (any vehicles under $40k).
That would be fun!
@@AK2COa non Tesla race would be fun.
40k would be smashed by a RWD M3, nothing even close to it at that price...
@@markfitzpatrick6692 they would have to do it on the other channel because “Out of Spec Motoring” is dedicated to only EVs
there is no EV under 40k that can beat Tesla pound per pound. Anyone saying that is just bias and gaslighting themselves. Maybe when BYD makes it here Tesla will finally get some competition but currently every legacy auto’s EV is a complete joke compared to a Tesla.
Kyle and the rest of the Out of Spec Gang are such EV enthusiasts I LOVE IT!!! Thank you Kyle & Crew for a great video I wished the Lyriq was included I do understand that it was a 3 row EUV test :)
Maybe they’ll do a race with the Cadillac Vistiq when it comes out. Or the Escalade IQ. But the IQ is so much heavier the efficiency will take a hit and it will need full power charging to get through, but it does have massive range.
The young cats clowning Kyle when they were coming up on Vegas was hilarious 😂
@@user-rl6px5ob3d yes it was great to have Lacey along
"How do you help these people?" You keep creating great content like this. Four years into EV ownership I still struggle with range anxiety. Your videos of the race to Vegas will be extremely helpful for future road trips. Thank you so much for posting.
I have always loved the OOS road trip vids. The race videos are an incredible update from the old road trip videos. Keep them coming, guys! Kyle, you must do a race video with your mom and dad in one of the cars. That...would be fun!
The Kia lost because of a bad route planner, and the X won because of the best route planner. It's not only range or charging speed. ...
....Can't wait for the return race.
I was shocked because the Kia charging ability is just so good.
@@yournumberonepal I kinda was too.
And the X is close to the price of the top spec Kia.
The Kia EV9 lost because Max and Dom didn't seem to use good route planning and they relied too much on the car's nav and range estimate. Unfortunately that's probably the same thing that will happen on the return trip when they'll all be required to use each car's built-in route planning. They should have relied on ABRP more.
@@ArtiePenguin1 Most people will rely on the car's route planner. Most are not Out-of-Spec level EV road trippers. I know there are some very good non-Tesla EVs out there now, but I would only recommend a Tesla to the average Joe because of superior route planning, and reliable and easy-to-use charging.
Ryan and Lacey were cracking me up 😂
These races are more entertaining then the Indianapolis 500 to me. Keep it up.
Exactly, it is like Formula 1 in slow motion. XD I love them.
Wow what a great race! Love these series. The ending was crazy, edge on your seat! Thanks Jordan for editing this movie
Love these videos, I think adding a mini progress bar on the bottom of the current places throughout the video would be amazing
Next time a real race with required temperatures for air conditioning. Let’s see what real people will experience.
Plus, we have to go at least the speed limit. It's annoying to come up on someone going below speed limit.
@@CaliJerS15 No! It's a race! A race should be treated as a race, that's what makes these fun, wring them out to their limits so we can see the potential not some boring over charge and stop cruises.
The Tesla actually has the AC on all the time, didn’t coast behind trucks, bribe or talk people out of a faster charger or went to limp mode. They pretty much did a road trip as “normal people” would.
@@tazeatBoth. There is of course entertainment value. The Tesla actually has the AC on all the time, didn’t coast behind trucks, bribe or talk people out of a faster charger or went to limp mode. They pretty much did a road trip as “normal people” would.
Exactly this! Maybe also require them to arrive with at least 5 or 10%, otherwise they suffer a time penalty. No one does a real road trip in an EV and shuts off climate to conserve every bit of energy. Most people also don't try to target a 0 or 5% arrival.
Just at 13 min now, with the EV9 in turtle mode. If the EV9 loses, it is because they didn't charge to 80% on the first stop.
100% agree, for the price, the EV9 is unbeatable.
@@stockey Only the poverty spec, above that and you're dangerously close to Model X money given the $7,500 tax credit.
Congrats to the Model X and team for winning
Living vicariously through everyone in this video. I’m nervous taking my e-tron on a road trip. Keep videos like this coming as it provides real world EV experiences.
When I hear people talking about buffers in EGMP vehicles, i immediately think about Dave and the Ice Machine.
Damn what'd I miss?
Another luxury feature Mercedes has that no one talks about. Saunas!
You shouldn't be allowed to turn off the AC, it isn't realistic, the X won comfortably
Exactly. No one drives with the AC off in a family road trip when it’s over 100F outside.
Turning off ac doesn't have any really significant impact at highway speeds.
Well TBF if they where actually road tripping and not racing your battery doesn't ever get that low that you'd turn off AC if you want a real normal EV Roadtrip id recommend the one Technology Connections did in his ioniq 5 with aging wheels or aging wheels polester2 vs Tesla road trip comparison
@@ExperienceCNit's ev impact on battery.
People forget that the MX spotted the rest of them like 15 mins at the beginning.
Yeah, remember the train delay
Experience played a role in the order of finish. Can't wait for the return race.
That’s why I got a Tesla, I like to take trips. Build in trip planner on Tesla is awesome. Took many 800mi+ trips.
Part 2 let's goooooooooo
By the way, Kyle, I know it’s your signature style, but I don’t think a hoodie with long sleeves and long pants is the appropriate attire for a trip through the desert at 100. Lol
Ever seen people traversing through the desert? They have thier entire bodies covered. How about people working outside? Same thing!
Exactly. Lacks common sense.
@@RayNLAcovered in extremely lightweight and breathable linen, not thick material that doesn’t breathe.
@@RayNLA robes in hot climates are made of thin cloth and are lose fitting to allow air movement. I have a set I bought in Egypt. Very practical to have your body covered but not mostly in contact with the actual garment
I would like to see the same teams run the race to Vegas again now that they know the quirks of their vehicles and learn from their mistakes. Would be really interesting to see how the results would change, if at all.
Thanks for the data. Good battery software management + charging infrastructure are really more important than the theoretical range & people should be educated about that.
The charging grid is improving super fast (number of stalls, high capacity & speed) so what we have here is the worst we'll ever have (& so much better than just 2 years ago).
Prices of vehicles & energy are going down fast.
EVs are the future AND the present already.
Hell of a race!
Laughing at Kyle ragging on the EQS the entire drive and right as they’re pulling into Vegas goes “I’ve really fallen in love with the EQS” 🤣
Loving the series! Really excited to see the route planning return trip. The behavior seemed radically different even on this run
Jordan and Andreas are going to sit for 2,5 hours on J1772. Better bring some snacks! XD
Kyle’s summary at the end is freaking incredible. Doesn’t miss a beat and you totally get it. Amazing
I love these videos! Please keep them coming!
Those cheese tots in Green River looked tremendous!
This is what I come to TH-cam for! More please! ❤
That was epic!! Everyone lived in the heat. Minus the model x team. 😂
I’m reminded why I drive a Tesla every time I watch one of these. However, the Rivian with Jordan and Andreas would absolutely be the most fun car.
At 8:43, we see the Rivian doing **90mph*** on the freeway. The energy consumption and wind resistance at that speed must be atrocious. Odds are if these folks actually did the speed limit, they’d see a ton more range between charges.
great comment on charging curve. On long trips where you know you will be stopping again to charge, don't disconnect before the charge rate nose-dives, even if you have more than enough to get to the next charger!
Very satisfying conclusion to The Race to Vegas!
Looking forward to the return trip.
Note: If I’m not mistaken, Kyle, you have advocated (correctly, I’d say) that manufacturers and consumers need to recognize the folly of ultra large battery pack. They add unnecessary expense to the vehicle, add unnecessary and unused weight the vehicle has to haul around every single day (and pay for that privilege as well), and rarely if ever come into any practical use for the vast majority of use cases.
Full disclosure: I drive a ‘21 Model 3 SR+, the slowest charging, shortest range, smallest battery pack vehicle in Tesla’s line up. I have driven this car across the US, and all over creation along the West. My wife drives a ‘21 VW ID.4 PRO, with similar battery pack size.
In other words, we walk the walk and talk the talk.
These kinds of vehicles are the future of EVs - affordable, practical, and reliable. They may not have the bleeding edge tech and specs that those ginormous SUVs have - and their price and accessibility to the average family reflect that.
Maybe some hero episodes heralding the benefits of these smaller battery packs would be forthcoming.
Easy win for Tesla as a no compromise car, never compromised comfort or performance, which is what 99% of car owners want and expect.🤷♂️ limping in with no AC is a serious no go for most.
These are so fun to watch!
Love the way you edited and recapped this video. These are so fun and informative.
Sad that the Rivian got neutered on its first stop at the RAN charger. I know its charging curve isn’t the best, but I figured it would come in front of the EV9 but behind the MX.
However knowing Kyle was in the EQS makes it the dark horse to win. That stretch to Salina bypassing green river is riskyyyyyy
15:01 I love how Lacey arrives and immediately reads the instructions that everyone else ignores while they are complaining about how bad EA is. 🤣
Those instruction have literally nothing to do with the complaints people have about EA being trash
@@RedvinezYGO When a good percentage of failures are user error, I think it does matter. You can dismiss it if you want; I'm happy with my ~99% first-time activation success on EA.
@@newscoulomb3705 no one said user error wasn’t a factor but you are coping hard if you think that EA doesn’t have trash reliability, maybe it’s good in your area but we have tons of proof on this very channel of how dogshit it is
@@RedvinezYGO Those are two different issues, but if you discount the fact that user error can amplify the number of issues people encounter, you're also coping hard to support your own biases.
Yes, objectively, we know that EA's older hardware only has reliability issues with an 80% charger uptime (yes, that's bad); however, their newer hardware has close to a 97% charger uptime (much better). We also know that 9% of charging sessions fail on the first attempt, so user error might be a bigger factor in EA's perceived reliability than some people are willing to acknowledge.
If you want to use Out of Spec as a reference, how do you explain that their EVs relying on Electrify America consistently beat or are at least competitive with EVs relying on the Tesla Supercharger network? Do you also hyperfocus on the number of issues Out of Spec runs into on the Superchargers?
Either way, you seem to have really gotten away from my original point with my comment: Using the proper activation protocols will definitely improve your EA experience. That's it.
@@newscoulomb3705if we're talking anecdotes, as an EA user I've had bad charging sessions. Believe it or not, when using the Mobile App rather than plug-and-charge or tap-to-pay, you get different instructions. On EA's own website you see branching logic *at step 3* for either Swipe First or Plug In First. There isn't always exactly one way to do things. If you do it your way that's fine but that doesn't mean other ways of doing things are user error, especially if instructed that way by EA.
Love the road trip/race videos… entertaining adventure and they provide useful real world info about the cars we drive. I am hopeful another cannonball is in the works… though I know a lot to plan.
Me too. I think Kyle hinted at it when talking about the new Taycan. If they can get the charging to work to work it should be one hell of a race.
I never understand why the driver is holding the camera or using a phone when there’s a passenger who’s not involved in the actual driving who can hold the camera or the phone.
I love these! Kyle talking about massage seats at 1:50:44 was hilarious
What happens when OOS simulates a family trip: Just eating fast food, breaks are only allowed when the car needs energy and gets a quick top up, therefore there is the constant risk of being stranded in the hot dessert without power which wouldn't have a difference from the heat perspective for the kids as the air con won' t be running by 43 C/111 F.
And still it gives the best idea of how you should road trip and is serious consumer advice while entertainimg. Keep up the good work.
Model X FTW
In the 30's my Grandparents would travel from New Mexico to Southern California. They crossed the desert at night.
We did it in the 50s also
Why in the world would you suffer 110 in the car or driving on the shoulder instead of spending 15 more minutes at one charging stop to put you over the threshold?
Bad calculations on our part in the Kia EV9. We had no idea the headwinds would be so brutal for us. Lot of learning
Watching it through for the second time. Love it!
Congrats to the Tesla. Seems to me that the EQS could have won if it actually got the charging speed that it always said it was going to get.
Yeah...the Tesla only won due to having the best charging speeds all trip.
The rest were pretty unlucky, all the way.
Teslas charging wasn't perfect either. Solid win.
@@Awaks Nope, Tesla saw 250kW only once.
@@tauzN You are right, the X did not charge well for them at first. Ryan started paying attention about how low they let the SOC get since that car has known issues at the bottom of the pack. Worse yet Lacey had them take a different route out of the starting location and they got stuck waiting on that train. I agree with you it was a solid win. The second and last stops to charge were good, and Ryan made the right call to sit and wait a little longer at those charging stops. That turned out to be the deciding factor IMHO.
Great entertaining video!
I do think Tesla had the best strategy and they won deservingly. Charging a few percent more, so you can cruise faster and keep comfort in the car is the way to do it even if racing.
Hoping for bigger battery capacities and better charging stations in near future.
epic series. hope to see more of these in the future.
So the results in terms of arrival time at the building (not putting up with Kyle's "well Ryan couldn't find the correct floor in the building and got confused so therefore I win!" crap. Kindly sodd off with that poor sport bs, we all know what he'd say if he were in the Tesla) from a departure time of 08:49 that morning are (including total travel time):
Tesla: 20:10 (11 hours 21 minutes)
Mercedes: 20:20 (11 hours 31 minutes)
Rivian: 20:59 (12 hours 10 minutes)
Kia: 21:02 (12 hours 13 minutes)
So yeah, pretty clearly two races in one. Greatly enjoyed watching it!
Question to anyone driving a gas car who's recently done that drive: how does that compare to your travel time? Genuingly curious.
Edit, forgot to take into account the hour timezone difference from nevada to colorado, so +1 hour should be added to those results, my apologies.
I think keeping the EV9 in the 15%-80% range, even if another stop needed to be added would have made a world of difference of keeping those 210kw charging speeds
It’s better to come in low in an E-GMP car. Of course they came in too low. You get full speed charging from you plug in until the battery gets too hot and throttles. They should be able to run full speed and then come in as close to zero as possible. What you charge to depends on what charging options you have.
The race obviously was a lot of fun, I'd join in on one of those head to head trials any time. My road trips are family style with stops for dogs and food and breaks so I'll be interested in the Return From Vegas run. Especially because Tesla runs the old highway software and I hope the other cars have better Automated Driver Assist than plain old Autopilot. Thanks to everyone in the race and safe driving back home.
Kyle, next time you do a race like this one, the rules has to be: driving with the AC on at a comfortable setting, you have to make it to every supercharger with a xx% soc. Etc. To be more realistic. If people are driving with kids or pets this race does not help at all. I enjoyed watching the whole video but couldn’t help thinking what new EV drivers would do in situations like the ones you all went through. Looking forward to more content from OSM.
48:35 I've seen similar behavior on other EVs, and I think it's possible that the car uses different battery temperature management parameters depending on whether the car is plugged in or unplugged. What happens is, the car sets the charging speed based on the battery temperature at the time it is plugged in, and then it manages the temperature rather than the charging speed from that point forward. Essentially, if the battery is too hot when plugged in, it will default to a slower charging profile rather than controlling the temperature and adjusting the charging speed up after the fact.
Great video comparison. Would love to see a raw data table of the efficiencies of the route and legs each vehicle did. Races are interesting but a normal family wouldn't drive for hours without AC just to get somewhere faster lol. Looking forward to additional tests like this but possibly a more realistic drive versus just racing.
The wrench microphone is on point.
Hopefully Hyundai/Kia build the packs a little bigger and higher voltage on the next version. It's weird they lowered the voltage compared to the Ioniq 5/6 and Kia EV6, with that bigger battery you would expect to hit 250 to 270kw charging rather than 200ish kw.
I watch all the way to then on 5 hour long videos. I can’t believe it
I'm now interested in your time difference with in car route planning and would love a comparison in the future using only Plugshare, ABRP and Chargeway apps for road trips.
Awesome video gang. Love these long races. It shows they are slowly catching up on tesla. Well done all. Look forward to the trip back 👌👍
Love these races, some of my favorite content to watch on TH-cam. I'd like to see a new rule implemented which forbids using influencer status or money to "convince" another vehicle to move out of a desired charger (or jump to a different position in a line).
Next should be the EV6, Tesla, Polestar Hyundai Ionic 😊
I can't wait for Kyle driving vs Lacey supervising FSD race. THAT'S real world.
Man, they really did the EV-9, a disservice in this race 😂
You need to know the car.
Yeah, It was Max's first run to Vegas and he did not have enough time with the car. He was too eager to get off the charger and get on the road. He said they assumed that the Tesla charging method would work for the EV9, but they are totally different animals for sure. The Tesla's you keep them on the bottom of the pack and only charge until 50-60% and then move on to stay in the peak of the charge curve. The Hyundai/Kia's don't work that way. I thought they would pick up on that after the first crawl into a charger, but they did it twice. I think Kyle called it right when he listed how he assumed they would finish and said he thought the EV9 would be in second place. I think that is probably right.
I am curious how the upcoming Volvo EX90 performs compared to these rivals.
I bet not good. Early to tests indicate very poor efficiency
Loving the road trip and race content!
I think it has less to do with the cars and a lot to do with the strategy they took to get to their destination. If Kia took the Tesla's strategy and just overcharge to take advantage of preconditioning and speed limits, no doubt they could have won. That's the difference from first to last.
I don’t think the Kia would ever beat Model X given its far superior efficiency. We could have easily done 3rd, *maybe* 2nd if things went awry for EQS
Reminds me of my Renault 4 memories with its 330 miles of reach. We came full circle in just a few decades ... ;)
Crazy to see trucks going 120km/h+ as ~87km/h is max in Europe.
Kyle you need to revoke Max and Dom’s EV roadtripping cards
They are terrible 😂 and then they blame the charging
@@marcusrose5943never unplug when you are getting good charging. Rule #1
@@marcusrose5943max always blames someone else
@@markfitzpatrick6692it was your fault
@@iMaxPatten😂😂😂
Yes!!! Heating up the popcorn. ❤
that’s confirms my thoughts on why the teslas are more luxurious evs then something like an eqs. the charging and efficiency is the biggest luxury.
false.
I drove the Model X in this race, the Mercedes is more luxurious and if we were to do the race again, I would choose the Mercedes!
@@ryankassel5691the Tesla sounded very loud in the video compared to the other cars, while the eqe and ev9 seem pretty quiet in comparison …I wasn’t sure if it was the mic.
Then I bought my first Tesla in 2015, it was because of the supercharging network. It continues to be the largest reason why I continue to buy Teslas. Just waiting for V4 to come for my CT.
We enjoy visiting national parks including Utah's Mighty Five. Have you thought about a video of 4 EV SUVs driving to the Mighty Five, comparing charging and routes. To prove that each park is visited, you would be required to go to the Visitor Center and stamp a Parks Passport book. The parks are Arches, Canyon lands (Island in the Sky and Needles), Capitol Reef, Bryce Canyon and Zion. Zion is pronounced Zi in, not Zi on.
I just a did my R1S road trip in 90-95 degree weather, Superchargers 100% have an issue in the heat (is it related to using the adapter?), I don't think it's the Rivian, I got limited by charging station on every single Supercharger session I did (which was like 6), the Rivian charger had no such issues and I saw much higher speeds.
OMG…. When I charge it using a 150kw charger, the speed does not come out. There’s a 350kw charger next to it. The second Rivian seat is a 350kw charger.
Also Frankie needs the EQS as her replacement company vehicle after the VinFast
Well it would be the EQS for me - great car and comfort ! Ok I am biased since I am driving also a Hyperscreen car and it's soooo awesome. Also you made it a race good interesting story ! It's amazing that all this cars with such different concepts came to the target so close - especially the X and the EQS. It makes long clip very interesting to watch - while I am running on a treadmill I am driving to Vegas :)
Why everyone drives on the left lane without anyone on the right lane? Anywhere else in the world that would mean suspended license.
It would be interesting to see the charging cost totals or per mile cost.
Would love to see long-range sedans next, Ioniq 6 and EQS sedan ect.
it's better than most movies out in the theater these days
so many fingerprints on that EQ screen(s) lol
Oh come on. The Merc required no AC in 100+ temp. The Tesla was just normal driving. They don't even have ECO modes, etc, etc.