Follow up Stihl Ultra 50:1 MS261. Full Rebuild.

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  • @woodstacker5241
    @woodstacker5241 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1 hour to build this saw. Incredible!

  • @davesteier-xf5lh
    @davesteier-xf5lh 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I run a 20 on mine for reach and I’m primarily in soft pine wood. Keep the chain sharp. Things a beast and I love it. Wonderful saw I wish I could do more topping and chunking with it. It’s a light weight screamer. This is the saw you want a wrap on but you lose stumping capability. Yes I stump with it. It’s so light it’d be easy to twist with your forearm. But we’re talking fast raw woods production and there just isn’t any (logging) where I am in coastal NC. I guess if you were clearing lots manually. 3 point dogs and a wrap this thing would be/ already is, the chef’s kiss.
    3 point dogs are awesome because they get into nooks and crannies of irregular stumps. But if you’re stumping you don’t need a wrap.

  • @Brian2bears
    @Brian2bears ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Mr. Richard, another excellent video. Very respectable times. Critical comment was answered very tastefully with manufacturer's website...

  • @alanshaw6161
    @alanshaw6161 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    106 hours before a full rebuilt? That's completely insane. AMSoil here I come lol 😆 and you got a new sub

  • @aaronpowell4885
    @aaronpowell4885 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am definitely an oil nut!😅 but enjoy everything I've seen so far on your channel! Good to see the real world use, abuse, repairs and results👍🏻

  • @dustinheppel9048
    @dustinheppel9048 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In Australia the saw is supplied with a 16 inch bar and having a fleet of 261’s running 50:1 I have some saws on there eight/ninth bars and still going as good as the day they were purchased

  • @donmayberryjrsOPE
    @donmayberryjrsOPE ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video! Love my 261!

  • @cajun3197
    @cajun3197 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fun entertaining and creative! I give it 2 thumbs up. Great holiday fun👍🏽 👍🏽😁

  • @darrellpeak2914
    @darrellpeak2914 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Enjoying the vids, thank ya!

  • @2019FiveLiter
    @2019FiveLiter ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome work! Would love to see a tear down and review of the orange bottle stihl hp oil at 50:1. Keep up the great content!

  • @johnclarke6647
    @johnclarke6647 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like your shirt, Class of ‘67, ended up being the Class of ‘73 at Georgia State due to the Vietnam War and my time in the Corps.

  • @pauldowner8335
    @pauldowner8335 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome work. Learned something

  • @johnr5545
    @johnr5545 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First class all the way god bless

  • @harryerhart5978
    @harryerhart5978 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice work 😁. I love my Amsoil Sabre for lawn equipment never had a problem at 50/1. If you have a dirty engine Echo Red Armor works great also take care 🙂

    • @em4703
      @em4703 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Its good but at 50:1 or leaner it will kill the bottom end faster than even the cheapest mineral oils ran at 33-25:1, even if the top end is pristine. Rolling bearings like viscosity and lubricant volume. But if you're just a homeowner that doesn't run a saw all day long, you most likely you won't tell a difference if your bottom end bearings get sloppy at under 1000 hours instead of 3000+ since the saw will likely die or get defective from other reasons way before that.

    • @harryerhart5978
      @harryerhart5978 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't run chain saws 😁

  • @johnclarke6647
    @johnclarke6647 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Richard, I never had a mechanical problem due to using Stihl Ultra at 50:1, but it is filthy as hell. I got tired of cleaning up sponge from the muffler side of my saws. Even the insides of the mufflers were filthy and it loved to block up the spark arrestors on my saws that had them, about half of my saws. There is just to much ash components in Stihl Ultra, which is why I switched to JASO FD oil.

  • @HipaParts
    @HipaParts ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video about chainsaw repair and maintenance.

  • @coreyhorrocks3504
    @coreyhorrocks3504 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic vids, feel free to go into as much detail as you like, its appreciated!

  • @VintageEngineRepairs
    @VintageEngineRepairs ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good work brother, damn you work fast! Would love to have seen you install the bearings and crank. Maybe one day you could do a reassembly video?
    You mentioned editing and how you don’t know much about it. If you’d like a really user friendly software and help with it, just reach out :) it’s called LumaFusion and so simple.

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I truly wanted to prove it takes more time to clean than reassemble. Missed it by just a little bit. I can do a video on how I do bearings and seals. If I had filmed the assembly, it would have been like watching paint dry. Even in time lapse. Thanks cuz!

    • @VintageEngineRepairs
      @VintageEngineRepairs ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@richardflagg3084 Maybe I’m just speaking for myself, but I enjoy seeing other peoples process - I’d happily watch an hour, non sped up video. Grab a cuppa and put my feet up!
      We can always learn something new. I use Matty-O’s crank tools and the hot cold method for bearings and am always keen to see other processes! Either way, keep up the great content brother!

    • @sawmanbigtreeslayer2360
      @sawmanbigtreeslayer2360 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richardflagg3084 😂😂

    • @msky33
      @msky33 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I second LumaFusion. I use it on my iPad. It works great and there are tons of tutorials on TH-cam.

  • @petershea3131
    @petershea3131 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have my 1st 661 build under way! I need to pick up a few screws for it but I’m going with the titanikal pop up piston and cylinder for it.

  • @sawmanbigtreeslayer2360
    @sawmanbigtreeslayer2360 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent video!! That auto tune reset sounded crazy. I would be afraid that thing might explode or seize a ring. You must have dumped some oil in the cylinder before you went to reset it. Pretty big puff of smoke. Smoke is a good thing let's you know you have oil in the gas.

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There may have been a little residual assembly lube (two stroke oil). I did fire it up after final assembly and run it briefly before the recalibration. I believe the 30 seconds on choke to start the process intentionally loads up the lubrication for the calibration process.

    • @medjoolmaker
      @medjoolmaker ปีที่แล้ว

      😮

  • @rockyholt4060
    @rockyholt4060 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for your time, wish I knew what you know

  • @blainstenberg2806
    @blainstenberg2806 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have switched from stihl oil to bell ray hr1

    • @johnclarke6647
      @johnclarke6647 ปีที่แล้ว

      I runEcho Red Armor at a little better than 50:1. Backup is Husqvarna XP at 50:1 or Echo Power Blend Gold, also at 50:1. All these oils are JASO FD oils. Much better lubrication and cleanliness.

  • @mfsaws8240
    @mfsaws8240 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content boss. I’d like to see how you split and re assemble the cases one time. everyone does it different and people could probably pick up some easier tips. I normally use hot cold but that sometimes is frustratinghaha.

  • @georgedavall9449
    @georgedavall9449 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A Man of his word, I appreciate that. Good stuff here, and you do work fast, as ‘Vintage Engine Repairs’ noted. I understand this saw needed calibration, being an M Tronic model, but I cringed a little listening to her running so long WOT. As you noted, it took it longer than normal. I have yet to own one of these computer controlled saws, so am ignorant about it. Stricter EPA standards may drive the Manufacturers to employing it on all their models. Then we go to batteries, but that’s for another day. 🙄👍✌

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It hung in the "under load" range for about 50 seconds which if I had to guess is around 10k RPM. It usually takes 20-30 seconds. Just shows how far out of tune it was fighting the tight bearings. WOT was only like 5 seconds. That 30 second run on choke to start the process loads up the lubrication, in my opinion, for the calibration process. I do cringe when it takes 15-20 seconds or so at WOT to find it's tune.

    • @74hoppy
      @74hoppy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@richardflagg3084 it might have taken less time to reset if you had done some light cutting with it first. Clear the oil from assembly and allow friction to reduce. However as you are on the clock what you did is faster.

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@74hoppy I did run it for about 30-40 seconds before the recalibration off camera. No cutting just revving it. I've never had one dwell that long. My only guess is that it was so far out of tune from the stiff bearings.

  • @MC-ft8zv
    @MC-ft8zv ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm in NZ. Also hate Ultra as it's so dirty..I have a 661 and various other good quality saws I use for felling, and processing huge old pine trees into firewood for family etc. Really care for my gear, been using Mobil 1 2T racing at 40:1, but have just bought Sabre to try. Would love to see a test of the cheaper Stihl oil under Ultra please? Love your videos, reckon it won't be long, and you will be THE chainsaw guy on TH-cam. Don't change anything you do, really cool to see a pro talking, and honest talk, not shit. Thanks!!

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว

      You're too kind. The orange bottle is a mineral oil based 2T oil and doesn't carry a JASO rating that I can find. There are better oils out there, but It's a decent oil at 40:1. That old school oil kept plenty of saws running for a long time.

  • @dylangreaves4282
    @dylangreaves4282 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would love to actually see you put the bottom end together Richard! 😂

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I can do that. Gimme a few and the next time I split a case, I'll throw it out there.

  • @nateolmsted899
    @nateolmsted899 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it

  • @blainstenberg2806
    @blainstenberg2806 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoy your videos

  • @africantwin173
    @africantwin173 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I will stick to Motul 800 off road 40:1

    • @waynedouthat5254
      @waynedouthat5254 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I run this, seems to do a good job.

    • @africantwin173
      @africantwin173 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@waynedouthat5254 good to hear

  • @ericglaude4953
    @ericglaude4953 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice work on the 261. I have the same one and mine has never taken that long to setup the range. Could be the weather as I’m in hot weather down south.
    Love how you get it clean. What do you use to get the case so clean? I also like the clean hardware. Now that is a class 1 mechanic.
    Just to stoke up the ambers on the oil again. I run Motul 800 2T at somewhere in the 45-48:1 range with super results in firewood bucking application. As an engineer that frequently deals with high speed bearings, an oil film is all that is needed. Too much oil will just make it slobber on the way out, and you’ll need to use that cleaning magic of yours to keep the equipment looking like it should.
    Thanks for the good , “real “ content.

  • @guismo3809
    @guismo3809 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Show us how you put it together. It sounds good . Great saw Dont get me wrong.

  • @hotpotatoz
    @hotpotatoz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Richard any videos in the future of amsoil sabre at 40:1 ? I've heard good things about that oil

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I made a video about a month ago Ultra disappoints Saber exceeds, have a look at that. The 395xp was run at 40:1 since new. It looks pretty dang good.

    • @hotpotatoz
      @hotpotatoz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richardflagg3084 thanks I will have a look !

  • @scotwiedower
    @scotwiedower ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What do you think about opti-2 oil? I used it for many years in my equipment but this was part time small biz mixed at 50:1. Love to hear what you think of it.

  • @johnclarke6647
    @johnclarke6647 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have seen a lot of Stihl saws turning over 14,500, recently. My ms 261cm turned over 14,500. It scared me T death, so I traded it off. My brand new ms 170 also turned over 14,500 I richened up the H jet 1/4 a turn and it dropped down to 13,000, which is acceptable to me. I do not use the 170that much and will recheck it in the Spring. If I need to richen it up a little more, I will. I like 12,600-12,800 on a warm day- 75 degrees. I could not richen up the 261, so I traded it off. I have not bought another Memtronic saw nor will .

  • @dujeamizic3588
    @dujeamizic3588 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoy it.But it needs software update on it!

  • @alexcarr8503
    @alexcarr8503 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one of these ugly pig saws. Mine came with a 18 in bar. It is a great saw. Back in the day I bought a 026 to work in the woods everyday. It was a poor saw, but when I got my hands on the 261 it was a pleasant surprise. Question,, would you be interested in showing us how to squeeze a little more performance out of it with some trickery.

  • @richardfuerst5286
    @richardfuerst5286 ปีที่แล้ว

    I still haven't tore into my 261 yet! 😀

  • @richevy5224
    @richevy5224 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video again Rich. Is the calibration process the same for both V1 and V2? Just curious if the H/L ranges change on your computer software program after the recalibration.

  • @owenmorong3150
    @owenmorong3150 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you use to clean the case halves etc?

  • @btsc1
    @btsc1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is it safe to do a reset on a brand new saw with just a few tanks run?

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว

      No harm in doing it, but is there a need? If the saw is running decent, I usually don't bother. Sometimes if you've been making small/limbing cuts for a while, it may get a little out of whack. Go make some full length bar cuts with firm steady pressure and let it idle for about 15-20 seconds. The smoother you make the big cuts the faster it will acclimate. Dogging in and out of the wood takes longer to adjust.

    • @btsc1
      @btsc1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@richardflagg3084 I should have mentioned that I’ve modded it with the WCS foam filter and muffler. It’s a 462 mtronic 3.0. Thanks for the speedy reply!

  • @GoBob17
    @GoBob17 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would like to have seen disassembly and reassembly. But I would really liked to have seen the bearings since they were diagnosed as the problem. Were they bad? Also, what did the exhaust/spark arrestor look like?

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว

      Both bearings were definitely bad. The cages were intact, but they very tight. The spark arrestor was not clogged and I removed the carbon from the exhaust port.

    • @GoBob17
      @GoBob17 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richardflagg3084 Tight cages? Could you elaborate? What causes them to "tighten"?
      It couldn't be contamination could it? I would be very interested in seeing you findings rather than you blathering on about a product you don't like. Seeing that would be interesting. Listening to you, not so much.

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The original video shows me trying to pull the saw over and it was nearly impossible. I also turned the the crankshaft over manually with the topend off, and it was very hard to turn over. Had there been contamination, I believe there would have some visual piston damage as it is a softer material. Bearings have very tight tolerances, and with marginal lubrication at 10,000+ rpm the bearings were damaged. I've shown in several videos, that while upper cylinder lubrication with Ultra seemed fine, the crankcase was devoid of any meaningful lubrication. The crankshaft should roll smoothly, hence the case split and bearing replacement.

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GoBob17 Original video is "Stihl Ultra. Why not to use it, especially at 50:1 PSA". That's the teardown and inspection of this saw.

    • @GoBob17
      @GoBob17 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richardflagg3084 It seems as though, aside from you makine claims and not showing the "damage", I just don't care much for seeing utube videos presented by people who appear to have drinking and blathering on as though they are an authority on a topic. That's all, signing off.

  • @donnyhudgins1917
    @donnyhudgins1917 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was just curious about your thoughts on opening up the intake boot on a 372xp x torq? Some say it makes a difference in power and some say it helps the longevity of the saw by better lubricating the piston. Your thoughts? Also I've bought some Echo Red Armor, Lucas 2 stroke oil, the orange bottle Stihl oil, and some Husqvarna XP oil, plus i already had some of the old black bottle Husqvarna oil that i want to try some of each. If there are any of those that you recommend staying away from then please say so and I'm thinking about ordering some Amsoil and some Schaeffer's pretty soon. Thanks in advance and love the videos sir!

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I personally haven't altered the intake boot on the Xtorq. Saber, Red armor, and the XP+ have done well in what little I have tested them. I use Schaeffers 7000 semi synthetic in my own saws and did a spur of the moment teardown on my 046 and it looked better that average. Have a look at the video I made with the Ultra bottles as the thumbnail. I posted it a couple of months ago.

  • @majorahole
    @majorahole ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So the dealer told me if I don't run the saw at 50:1 and use Stihl oil I will void my warranty. If I run the saw at 40:1 how will that affect mtronic? Will it adjust the carb for 40:1?

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MTronic will run 40:1 just fine. It's constantly making adjustments to keep itself in tune.

    • @majorahole
      @majorahole ปีที่แล้ว

      @@richardflagg3084 thanks so much. Do you think the mtronic system is reliable?

  • @littlemechanicshop
    @littlemechanicshop ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you like using the MDG2 and the computer program.

  • @martintomsett6288
    @martintomsett6288 ปีที่แล้ว

    In NZ the ultra is Jaso fd rated I wonder if it's the same stuff as US

  • @ToddAdams1234
    @ToddAdams1234 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ah, there is NOTHING at all wrong with your “wine” after your work is done. 😊

  • @frankkearney7174
    @frankkearney7174 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just wonder is it d oil or how lean the carb is set

  • @benredmond8271
    @benredmond8271 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍🏻👍🏻

  • @lukereynolds9907
    @lukereynolds9907 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello mate I really like your stihl skills man you know your shit 😉 can I ask you a question please 😀 what do you think of the 076 cheers

  • @Jason-fg4jr
    @Jason-fg4jr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What oril do you recommend running???

  • @nicolaassnoek9902
    @nicolaassnoek9902 ปีที่แล้ว

    My Stihl 170 came with a 6 pack of Stihl Premium oil, is this the same as Ultra?

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว

      Ultra is in the silver bottle. The Stihl premium is a mineral based oil like the traditional orange bottle. I haven't tested it as it is not sold in my area.

  • @HeathLCK
    @HeathLCK 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's very funny that you say that cause......the Earth is very flat.

  • @oldcodger1929
    @oldcodger1929 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you work on other saws besides Stihl.

    • @richardflagg3084
      @richardflagg3084  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I don't discriminate. I'll work on anything except disposable equipment if you catch my drift.

  • @jackmcminn2520
    @jackmcminn2520 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    40:1 amsoil it is

  • @Cholton327
    @Cholton327 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey bud. Chtrees is my mail at the G or Y.