Dude, you just made me run out to my garage and grab my old tower that I've lugged around through a half dozen moves over 20 years. I have the SAME tower!
9:25 Every Dremel* user was waiting for this moment, blade is getting hot and he is putting a lot pressure on it :) We have all done it the first time maybe even 10 times haha, it's always fun to explore the full limits of your tiny cutting blade :)
That looks very similar to the PC I got my freshman year of college in 1999. I remember it had 512mb of RAM, 2 CD burners and a ZIP drive. I got it directly from Gateway with a "huge" 17" CRT monitor and a Boston Acoustics 5.1 surround system.
Drill some holes in the bottom and add some fans.. it wont be visible and it'll provide some much needed airflow and if you use the be quiet fans they have nice rubber bumpers to reduce noise.. also raise the legs some
I've been thinking about doing a sleeper as my next build. I have a much newer Gateway case compared to this one, its got "standard" mounting points and such so I'm hoping to avoid the Dremel.
You could provide direct, cool airflow to the gpu by drilling out some fan mounts at the bottom of the case. It looks like there's space enough for three 120mm fans down there. It would certainly kick the airflow up a few gears, and the bottom is basically free cooling real estate. As with any case where the PSU mounts at the top. And if looks aren't a consideration, which I'm assuming they're not, you could attach a large fan to the PSU itself, to actually utilize that as a proper exhaust. The PSU fan likely doesn't turn on much, and certainly not at high enough RPM. It's an air tunnel just waiting to be optimized. Reversing the airflow and utilizing the bottom as an exhaust is a potential consideration as well, albeit with the obvious negative case pressure side-effects.
One possible fix for the heat soaking issue is that you used to be able to get fan size reducers that would allow you to run a 120mm fan on an 80mm or 90mm cut-out. The tricky part of that with this case is that you would need one that is off-set as the cut-out in question is not central on the case. Otherwise I would recommend cutting away a chunk of the front plastic from the under side (where you won't see it) to allow better air flow to the AIO since the moulding is blocking pretty much all air-flow apart from a few pin holes.
Watch out, the power button on that Gateway case is notoriously weak. Most of them are broken by now. Note that the backplate you encountered is an OEM thing along with the weird power supply mount. A generic ATX case from the period would have the standard removable ATX I/O shield setup and likely the same power supply mount. Since you have a free 3.5" bay, you could add front panel USB 3.0 and Type-C ports. Also a USB to ATA adapter could run the CD burner. Getting the floppy working is a bit more tough, but USB adapters exist for those too.
the cutter would work fine. but the disc are fragile, If you do two cutter wheels(place two on the mounting screw) at a time you can avoid most of the disc shatter effect
Perfect case for VR users like Index/vive users that need base stations. People seem to forget glass is reflective, and no one would suspect that's a VR capable rig.
I have just watched the part with you cutting away the rear IO shield. Why did you not drill the rivets out and then do the cutting safely? I am pretty sure you could pick up a rivet gun with rivets for under $20 locally to you. Bare arms and you have a cutting disc shattered, you are so lucky, I would go and buy a lottery ticket.
I'm planning on doing something similar with my grandads old dell case. How is this? - Graphics - Rtx 2060 £300 ish Motherboard - msi b450 tomahawk max £120 Ram - 16GB crucial ballistix (2x8) £43 Cpu - Intel i5 12600k or amd? £? Powersupply - silentiumpc supremo fm2 650w £98 Ssd - 250gb? £? Hdd - Tobisha p300 3tb £50 Fan - fractal 140mm front fan £45 + 2x 92mm Arctic case fans £10 each Total Price - £676 + cpu and ssd. Please help I'm unfamiliar with pcs.
Have you considered minor undervolting on the CPU and GPU to manage thermals a little better? You usually don't lose any performance but can save big on thermals! Great vid btw!
As someone who has built some sfx PCs with not much cooling maybe you could look into undervolting your components to get better temps. I’d personally suggest the videos by optimum tech as a great resource, but other wise this is a sick sleeper build
What operating system are you using, and how did you have it already installed? Ive watched many build videos now but have yet to see anyone explain how you pop a new hard drive in and automatically have an operatung system installed.
suggest you get some sort of support for the power supply, those 1000W+ PSU are super heavy, and your screws could snap off, maybe a 3d printed bracket, or even a long screw that goes from side panel to side panel could help with the sag
I agree, the intel i9-11900k is a downgrade compared to the i9-10900k... you COULD maybe drill out holes to mount a second small noctua exaust fan in the case above the first one and just below the PSU
Ah someone else who didn’t watch the entire GN video. Also would you mind pointing to the radiator mount on this case that’s above the block? I didn’t think so
@@EposVox I did watch it, did just point it out. Some might think it’s OK to have it like that, and many times its fine, but it can be bad as well. I would diy it on the 5.25 bay or under the psu or go air cool, some aircoolers is better.
Air cooling in this rig is definitely not better. It doesn’t fit in the 5.25” bay without ruining the aesthetic and rear fan is 90mm. This is fine. It runs fine and will run fine long enough
@@EposVox Why get so angry and go all attack? i did just comment and i think is good if you point out that it is not optimal to have the aio like that. And i did say some air coolers is better then aio. did i say it was better in your case? did say i would try it tho. and in the back i know the fan is 90mm but you can cut like you did with the io shield.
Because I have at least 10 comments parroting the same thing and even GN Steve himself is sick of people using his video to go constantly bring it up on other people’s builds and when quite literally there is no other option here. It’s not an ideal config, I’m well aware. Nothing about this build is. It’s a sleeper pc, it was never going to be ideal. Doesn’t mean it’s a real problem. It’ll run fine for now. If I need to I can swap coolers, literally just shake up the cooler, or swap to air in a few years when it matters. And no, there is nothing that I could dremel to fit the radiator on that 90mm fan cutout unless I’m dremeling half the motherboard off lmao
For Battlefield 4 when you say "ultra settings" are you including increasing the resolution scale to 200%? If not it seems weird because on my system at 1440p ultra settings (100% resolution scale) on a 8700k/1080ti I can get an average of around 140FPS, so given the hardware in this system 80FPS seems off
Love sleeper builds with overkill components! Not to be overly critical though, isn't a 120mm aio a bit small to be running on a 10900k? I'd be a bit worried about temps with anything less than a 240.
Well sure. It’s almost as if I talked about that very thing. I didn’t exactly have room for anything bigger. I would have gone bigger if it was possible. 1990s gateways weren’t known for their robust water cooling rad support
@@EposVox ah no worries, I must have missed that little detail while I was watching with my little one on my lap. I just remember feeling anxious about my own temps when I first ran my 9900k on a smaller aio. Sick build though and grats on the upgrade.
Yeah his results seemed very underwhelming especially for CS:GO and Battlefield 4 but who knows. Windows 11, also 90 degrees parts etc. do weird things.
Whats up with claiming using the “latest and greatest” and then going with an Intel CPU? And I’m serious with the question. Cause when reviews came its AMD who was on top. Or did I miss a specific criteria that disqualifies them from this build?
I also pointed out it was a joke since we were going with a PC case that was older than I am, so… And the specific criteria that disqualified them being that both 10900k and 11900k that I had on-hand beat out the 3600x/3900x which were the latest AMD chips that I have
@@EposVox feels a little misleading then if I’m honest. Specially since I would assume you are aware people will use you as a source on online debates over AMD vs Intel.
People are going to use me saying “latest and greatest” while unboxing a case from 1991 and saying it was a joke not 30 seconds later, while also using a generation-old - about to be two generations old when Alder Lake drops here soon - CPU as a “source” for what is the best CPU team to go with? Lol I think you might be taking things a little too seriously. If they want to fuel their petty flame war with this, go for it. Makes them look bad, not me. I used the most powerful parts at my disposal for a no compromises build. That wasn’t the latest, as 10900k beats the 11900k in this use case, and may not even be the greatest. But I don’t have Ryzen 5000 and AMD decided to shaft me this time, so it’s not really my problem. If someone cares that much, they’re welcome to keep me stocked up with the latest CPUs each cycle
@@EposVox okay sorry 😁.I watched only few build videos (I do not have possibility to try modern stuff), I mostly watch cleanup, fixes videos etc. and I did not know that radiator quesion was too popular, I apologice 😁. BTW great video. I like modern components in old shell, I may do imilar in the future 😀.
@@EposVox Looks like this one might be a future issue though because it looks like the actual pump block is the highest point of the loop. Hopefully it wouldn't be.
Worth noting that GN video was to determine the *ideal scenario* as he stated multiple times, and that you can be fine with other ways. I literally have no choice here, so debating it is completely pointless. It'll be fine.
Dude, you just made me run out to my garage and grab my old tower that I've lugged around through a half dozen moves over 20 years. I have the SAME tower!
YAS
9:25 Every Dremel* user was waiting for this moment, blade is getting hot and he is putting a lot pressure on it :)
We have all done it the first time maybe even 10 times haha, it's always fun to explore the full limits of your tiny cutting blade :)
That looks very similar to the PC I got my freshman year of college in 1999. I remember it had 512mb of RAM, 2 CD burners and a ZIP drive. I got it directly from Gateway with a "huge" 17" CRT monitor and a Boston Acoustics 5.1 surround system.
That sound system doesn't really seem to match the rest of the pc.
@@CatsMeow_ It was sold that way as a package in 1999 direct from Gateway.
@@RealRSmokinJoe even today 5.1 is good
Drill some holes in the bottom and add some fans.. it wont be visible and it'll provide some much needed airflow and if you use the be quiet fans they have nice rubber bumpers to reduce noise.. also raise the legs some
I've been thinking about doing a sleeper as my next build. I have a much newer Gateway case compared to this one, its got "standard" mounting points and such so I'm hoping to avoid the Dremel.
Love that warranty tamper sticker on the Gateway Case
I'd dremel three spots for 120mm intake fans in the bottom. Keeps the sleeper look and immediately fixes all the thermal issues.
I've had a case for a sleeper build for years now just never have the time to do the mods
love sleeper builds
You could provide direct, cool airflow to the gpu by drilling out some fan mounts at the bottom of the case. It looks like there's space enough for three 120mm fans down there.
It would certainly kick the airflow up a few gears, and the bottom is basically free cooling real estate. As with any case where the PSU mounts at the top. And if looks aren't a consideration, which I'm assuming they're not, you could attach a large fan to the PSU itself, to actually utilize that as a proper exhaust. The PSU fan likely doesn't turn on much, and certainly not at high enough RPM. It's an air tunnel just waiting to be optimized.
Reversing the airflow and utilizing the bottom as an exhaust is a potential consideration as well, albeit with the obvious negative case pressure side-effects.
Not a bad idea for future upgrades if needed
Glad to see you were finally able to get the Gateway PC you wanted!
Finally a sleeper pc I inspire to do the same with my dell dimension 4500.
One possible fix for the heat soaking issue is that you used to be able to get fan size reducers that would allow you to run a 120mm fan on an 80mm or 90mm cut-out. The tricky part of that with this case is that you would need one that is off-set as the cut-out in question is not central on the case. Otherwise I would recommend cutting away a chunk of the front plastic from the under side (where you won't see it) to allow better air flow to the AIO since the moulding is blocking pretty much all air-flow apart from a few pin holes.
Lol I love these sleeper builds
Watch out, the power button on that Gateway case is notoriously weak. Most of them are broken by now.
Note that the backplate you encountered is an OEM thing along with the weird power supply mount. A generic ATX case from the period would have the standard removable ATX I/O shield setup and likely the same power supply mount.
Since you have a free 3.5" bay, you could add front panel USB 3.0 and Type-C ports. Also a USB to ATA adapter could run the CD burner. Getting the floppy working is a bit more tough, but USB adapters exist for those too.
That front panel would completely ruin the aesthetic!!!
the cutter would work fine. but the disc are fragile, If you do two cutter wheels(place two on the mounting screw) at a time you can avoid most of the disc shatter effect
Palms were sweating at 7:25 hahah as a Dremel fan boy, if you catch yourself saying "technically it's not a Dremel", you're gonna have a bad time
You can always drill some hole in the bottom, slap a magnetic dust filter on the outside and fasten some fans there for great air flow addition.
That's actually an amazing idea, also if it's rgb it would be extra cool.
I would have made some grill fan holes for extra airflow on top of the computer case.
pretty cool. you should put a beige usb cardreader and a beige sata dvd drive in the top bays though
Perfect case for VR users like Index/vive users that need base stations. People seem to forget glass is reflective, and no one would suspect that's a VR capable rig.
I have just watched the part with you cutting away the rear IO shield. Why did you not drill the rivets out and then do the cutting safely? I am pretty sure you could pick up a rivet gun with rivets for under $20 locally to you. Bare arms and you have a cutting disc shattered, you are so lucky, I would go and buy a lottery ticket.
Didn’t have a rivet gun, wasn’t even certain it would get that particular part out, didn’t have a vice to hold it in place anyway
I'm planning on doing something similar with my grandads old dell case. How is this?
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Graphics - Rtx 2060 £300 ish
Motherboard - msi b450 tomahawk max £120
Ram - 16GB crucial ballistix (2x8) £43
Cpu - Intel i5 12600k or amd? £?
Powersupply - silentiumpc supremo fm2 650w £98
Ssd - 250gb? £?
Hdd - Tobisha p300 3tb £50
Fan - fractal 140mm front fan £45
+ 2x 92mm Arctic case fans £10 each
Total Price - £676 + cpu and ssd. Please help I'm unfamiliar with pcs.
This is a thing of glory .. love sleeper bulids
I still have the monitor sitting next to you, it's in use as a secondary display!
I love my CRTs!
When you said the case is more baby proof I physically recoiled because oh fuck dude my kid will be crawling soon...
Bahahaha good luuuuuck
Have you considered minor undervolting on the CPU and GPU to manage thermals a little better? You usually don't lose any performance but can save big on thermals! Great vid btw!
We had a very similar Gateway system growing up, as well. Oh the nostalgia.
As someone who has built some sfx PCs with not much cooling maybe you could look into undervolting your components to get better temps. I’d personally suggest the videos by optimum tech as a great resource, but other wise this is a sick sleeper build
I super excited to see where this goes. I feel like you're gonna have to go with dry ice to keep that thing cool. 😂
What operating system are you using,
and how did you have it already installed?
Ive watched many build videos now but have yet to see anyone explain how you pop a new hard drive in and automatically have an operatung system installed.
suggest you get some sort of support for the power supply, those 1000W+ PSU are super heavy, and your screws could snap off, maybe a 3d printed bracket, or even a long screw that goes from side panel to side panel could help with the sag
Nah it’s literally wedged in the case, it’s not going anywhere even if I took out the screws. Should be fine.
love this!
Would be nice if you could gut it and do a water build with it.
I had initially thought about doing this as a water cooled build but there isn’t enough room nor enough rad space to be worth it anyway
So cool. I just got done doing an old dell optiplex sleeper build, and ya. Lots of metal cutting. Turned out great though
I had a case I wanted to do that in but it was BTX so there was no making it work :(
@@EposVox ill post it in the discord under awesome builds, it ending up getting some vynl wrap and rgb since it was for my lil daughter ha ha
I don't always agree on "Hook technology" for video intro.
It's like showing all the best stuff of a movie in a trailer...
It’s a long video, you should know what you’re getting into
now i want a modern pc with a Windows 98 case
I agree, the intel i9-11900k is a downgrade compared to the i9-10900k... you COULD maybe drill out holes to mount a second small noctua exaust fan in the case above the first one and just below the PSU
the ultimate solution to the noise problem is to get a sennheiser headset lol
The worst case with the worst 3090.
Perfection. ^^
Nice build. but aio is wrong mounted. Always have radiator over cpu block! so air will be in radiator and not i cpu block!
Ah someone else who didn’t watch the entire GN video. Also would you mind pointing to the radiator mount on this case that’s above the block? I didn’t think so
@@EposVox I did watch it, did just point it out. Some might think it’s OK to have it like that, and many times its fine, but it can be bad as well. I would diy it on the 5.25 bay or under the psu or go air cool, some aircoolers is better.
Air cooling in this rig is definitely not better. It doesn’t fit in the 5.25” bay without ruining the aesthetic and rear fan is 90mm. This is fine. It runs fine and will run fine long enough
@@EposVox Why get so angry and go all attack? i did just comment and i think is good if you point out that it is not optimal to have the aio like that. And i did say some air coolers is better then aio. did i say it was better in your case? did say i would try it tho. and in the back i know the fan is 90mm but you can cut like you did with the io shield.
Because I have at least 10 comments parroting the same thing and even GN Steve himself is sick of people using his video to go constantly bring it up on other people’s builds and when quite literally there is no other option here. It’s not an ideal config, I’m well aware. Nothing about this build is. It’s a sleeper pc, it was never going to be ideal. Doesn’t mean it’s a real problem. It’ll run fine for now. If I need to I can swap coolers, literally just shake up the cooler, or swap to air in a few years when it matters.
And no, there is nothing that I could dremel to fit the radiator on that 90mm fan cutout unless I’m dremeling half the motherboard off lmao
Hah! What an amazing build! Any particular reason you didn't go for Ryzen? Something like a 5800X or 5900X.
Don’t have any 5000 in my possession and 10900k beats the 3000 chips I do have
For Battlefield 4 when you say "ultra settings" are you including increasing the resolution scale to 200%? If not it seems weird because on my system at 1440p ultra settings (100% resolution scale) on a 8700k/1080ti I can get an average of around 140FPS, so given the hardware in this system 80FPS seems off
100% render res
It runs about like that on most of my rigs
Indoors is obviously much better
What games can you play with 3090?
Epos: Not sure yet, let my load up my FLOPPY DISK lol
Don’t copy my floppy
@@EposVox LOL Seriously, hard work well done!!
What's the model of the Noctua fan you got please. thanks
I think your stereo mic went reversed
Is it possible your cold plate is air locked since its higher than the radiator?
Nah
I was wondering how long it'd take you to explode one of the cutting disks, always happens at least once :P
If there were a way to retrofit or recreate a Window 98 era style monitor shell, would you pair it with this style of PC case?
Eh I just use actual CRTs, I have no desire to take it lol
You should fabricate a PSU support bracket so it's not just hanging on four screws...
It’s also hanging by friction as it’s lodged in the case because it’s too big to fit within the sides. It’s not going anywhere
@@EposVox Fair enough
Nice
0:12 It's like 30% cables... Great PC nonetheless!
Good thing that doesn’t negatively affect anything
@@EposVox I see room left above the PSU :)
Tuck in all the over lenght up there maybe, yes yes it's a pain but the result will be worth it.
Nah that would cause some issues. It’s not “room”, my finger wouldn’t even really fit up there. Things would get real weird
Something in your graphs is wrong. It is impossible to have 1% low and .1& low lower than your minimum FPS.
Love sleeper builds with overkill components! Not to be overly critical though, isn't a 120mm aio a bit small to be running on a 10900k? I'd be a bit worried about temps with anything less than a 240.
Well sure. It’s almost as if I talked about that very thing. I didn’t exactly have room for anything bigger. I would have gone bigger if it was possible. 1990s gateways weren’t known for their robust water cooling rad support
@@EposVox ah no worries, I must have missed that little detail while I was watching with my little one on my lap. I just remember feeling anxious about my own temps when I first ran my 9900k on a smaller aio. Sick build though and grats on the upgrade.
Honestly CPU stays pretty cool, the gpu just runs hot
@@EposVox haha yeah you could cook an egg on a 3090.
I’m very confused, how are the 0.1% lows less than the min? Is it just tracked differently in your data? Sorry if I missed an explanation 😂
I dunno that’s just what RTSS reports sometimes and it’s not a serious enough video for me to fix it lol
@@EposVox ah no dramas! Thanks for the quick reply 😳😊
Yeah his results seemed very underwhelming especially for CS:GO and Battlefield 4 but who knows. Windows 11, also 90 degrees parts etc. do weird things.
Also CSGO was on max which most people don’t play
So... where to get that Alt+F4 cap?
www.theswmteam.com/product/alt-f4-dad-hat/
Wow
wow, such a small price to pay
Lmao
what.happened to the ezcap vid?
Hasn’t gone live yet?
Nobody mention to him that he could have just drilled out the rivets....hehe
Whats up with claiming using the “latest and greatest” and then going with an Intel CPU?
And I’m serious with the question. Cause when reviews came its AMD who was on top.
Or did I miss a specific criteria that disqualifies them from this build?
I also pointed out it was a joke since we were going with a PC case that was older than I am, so…
And the specific criteria that disqualified them being that both 10900k and 11900k that I had on-hand beat out the 3600x/3900x which were the latest AMD chips that I have
@@EposVox feels a little misleading then if I’m honest. Specially since I would assume you are aware people will use you as a source on online debates over AMD vs Intel.
People are going to use me saying “latest and greatest” while unboxing a case from 1991 and saying it was a joke not 30 seconds later, while also using a generation-old - about to be two generations old when Alder Lake drops here soon - CPU as a “source” for what is the best CPU team to go with? Lol I think you might be taking things a little too seriously.
If they want to fuel their petty flame war with this, go for it. Makes them look bad, not me.
I used the most powerful parts at my disposal for a no compromises build. That wasn’t the latest, as 10900k beats the 11900k in this use case, and may not even be the greatest. But I don’t have Ryzen 5000 and AMD decided to shaft me this time, so it’s not really my problem.
If someone cares that much, they’re welcome to keep me stocked up with the latest CPUs each cycle
Dude, you should be a radio host and not a you tuber. You sound more like a radio host.
Emmm, if my memory serves me, CPU cooler radiator should have tubes on top, not on bottom or am I wrong❓ Please correct me if I am wrong, thx 😁😁
Oh not this again
@@EposVox okay sorry 😁.I watched only few build videos (I do not have possibility to try modern stuff), I mostly watch cleanup, fixes videos etc. and I did not know that radiator quesion was too popular, I apologice 😁.
BTW great video. I like modern components in old shell, I may do imilar in the future 😀.
@@EposVox Looks like this one might be a future issue though because it looks like the actual pump block is the highest point of the loop. Hopefully it wouldn't be.
Worth noting that GN video was to determine the *ideal scenario* as he stated multiple times, and that you can be fine with other ways. I literally have no choice here, so debating it is completely pointless. It'll be fine.
isn't that cooler orientation problematic as per gamers nexus?
Nope