4K HDR Blu Ray - Is it worth it?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- Is the latest "upgrade" from the entertainment industry truly a step in the right direction, or is it another half-baked semi-upgrade solely designed to outdate your current home theater setup?
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I think this deserves a revisit
Der Edelpenner Totally agree. This is completely bullshit today. Can’t see benefits of 4K on anything less than 100 inches? Lol. That was bullshit back then.
Streaming services' UHD or 4k streaming is not UHD or 4k, their UHD/4k streams have a fraction of the bitrate of a regular blu-ray, let alone an UHD blu-ray, while their industry spreads propaganda that they are the future and physical copies are bad. Not fair to the blu-ray format and it isn't fair to the dumb fucks who bought a 4k TV to watch Netflix or some other streaming "service" on when it isn't even actually 4k.
Der Edelpenner yup
Der Edelpenner
Yes!
I’d love that.
I see no reason to abandon Blu-Rays for Streaming:
1. better video quality
2. better audio quality
3. no need for an internet connection
4. No throttling from service providers.
Drop 3 if you intend to watch 4K HDR Blue-rays. www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/47s8qz/ultrahd_blurays_will_ship_with_aacs_20_a_drm_that/
Nulano Thanks for the info, didn't know that o_O
My reaction summed up in that Reddit post: "I don't really want to pirate, but they're making it look pretty damn attractive."
That post is 10 months old and gives no credible sources.
DeathInANoose That doesn't disprove it. Also, in 2007 the AACS LA decided to expire cracked decryption keys, forcing users to update their player firmware, if they wished to play new titles. Then they decided, that once wasn't enough, and that you should receive periodic updates on PC, if you wish to continue using Blu-ray. www.aacsla.com/news/
This is essentially the same thing, but it's moved from being periodic, to being per-disc and not PC-exclusive.
Lol, i'm sitting here pretending to see the difference on a 1080p IPS panel through youtube.
I'm on a 1080p TN display and I could definitely see the difference
You should 100% be able to see a difference. I just watched this on one of my TN screens and the differences were clear.
Adahop I mean it in the sense where someone is showing you the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps but your watching in 30fps and cant really see the difference. Im not seeing HDR im seeing adjusted colors in comparison to something that isnt HDR
Also in the sense that you can't show anyone what speaker is better by recording them with a microphone, uploading it to TH-cam, and playing it back with earbuds. But I guess in this case hearing the difference between speakers as recorded by the same microphone might illustrate a point even though you're not hearing the full effect.
+Concil True, it has been compressed back into a non-HDR video for us but the point wasn't for us to see HDR directly. It was to give us an idea of what they look like relative to each other, and it succeeded. Saying it's like watching 60fps versus 30fps on a 30Hz screen would only be true if they did something to illustrate the difference between the two framerates, like reducing the footage to half-speed so we could see them at 15fps and 30fps respectively.
Any chance for a revisit on this topic? I feel like there's a solid argument for 4k's now that the format has matured a bit.
th-cam.com/video/na1hqx4Yi68/w-d-xo.html
Me watching this on my crappy monitor: "Wow! Look at the difference!"
@surfitlive No one cares
@@gonkillua14 hey, stop that
@@gonkillua14 no need to be toxic. Toppo.
My family still claims to not be able to tell the difference between SD and FHD. They drive.
Folopolis I they are probably legally blind if they are honest, if not they just don't want to spend money on a 1080p(In my opinion they should)
They own a 4K 50-something inch TV, so it's not cost. Frankly I think they're just too lazy to remember to add 200 to whatever channel number they want to watch to get the HD version.
Folopolis i drive and not enough diff to invest in newer tech that will be yesterdays news in a year. some think keeping up with tech, well entertainment tech is a must and will invest everything into it, the rest of us have lives and 1080p is just fine.
There is a huge difference, but not if the content has been upscaled. I went from a 1440p tablet to a 1080p tablet, and the difference was noticeable. The difference between my old 1080p display to 4K is even more impressive. Even at seven or eight feet away, I can see a difference between 1080 and 4K.
+David Effiong There is a really big difference between an HDTV and 4K TV, but there is very little difference between a blu ray and a UHD blu ray. Both look about the same on the same 4K TV. Frankly, I have several blu rays that look much better than 4K titles. My Lawrence of Arabia Blu Ray looks better than my UHD Blu Ray of Independence Day for instance. . . I think it probably comes down to things like film stock and lenses and transfer techniques which factor into the quality more that the resolution.
There is some stunning 4k material on TH-cam which is a massive step up, but so far for movies, not a big difference. Certainly the difference is nothing as appreciable as the improvement seen from DVD to Blu Ray. The actual 4K screens look WAY better, the actual 4K Blu Rays, meh.
People who swear by streaming don't give a crap about quality.
I personally buy movies on iTunes, not because I don’t like physical media, which I really do like, but it’s just so much cheaper. I mean you can but 4K movies with Dolby Atmos and Vision for 4.99. You can’t beat that
It looks exactly the same to me, I think people are just nitpicking.
crunchy you’re correct. Typical “first-world problems”
Sebastian Orozco
Yeah. Streaming does compress the video, but the average consumer won’t notice a difference (myself included). Physical media has its advantages but the oh so slightly better quality isn’t a huge win over streaming imo, but that’s subjective I guess.
True.
This definitely needs to be revisited. Some of the newer 4k disks are extremely impressive and the price of 4k displays have gone down alot
do it. I got cheap $230 4k tcl 4 series and barely today got a 4k player and it looks great. i got game of thrones in 4k
#GoodTechnicalMorning
KappaKappaKappaKappa kappa
I'd watch that
Needs more Dennis.
KappaKappaKappaKappa for me is it 23:01
20:06 here
It's absolutely worth it, streaming can't compete. Support physical media, folks!
IT looks sooooo good
no
MechaGodzilla Too bad movies suck these days and aren't worth buying
physical media my ass.
i have been supporting physical media for so long now.
i got a wall of DVDs and games and boxes full of vinyl and music CDs ... but blu-ray ? nope ... not buying it ... 4k or not ... IDGAF
my problem with it is that the DRM on 4k discs is even more fucked up than normal blu-ray is.
and normal blu-ray was too fucked up for my taste already.
i can't just build a media center PC, stuff a BD-XL drive in it, install some media center distro on it and call it a day.
blu-ray was bad already because i could not play the disc with VLC or kodi just like that without installation of other software and/or serious tinkering with configurations 'n' shit ...
and 4k blu-ray makes it even worse: it has to be a specific CPU with specific windows software and what not ...this is bullshit. BULL-FUCKING-SHIT !!!!!!
as long as i feel like i am being punished for legaly obtaining a movie on a physical format because i can't use the hardware i want or media player software i prefer to play any physical FHD & UHD media i legaly obtained it's just not happening.
if this gets fixed, i might start buying blu-ray.
Linda Means: There's no shortage of older films available on physical media, you know. Plenty classics, cult classics and not-so-classics going all the way back to the silent era have been released on DVD and Blu-ray. I own many.
UHD Blu-ray doesn't have quite as sizable a library yet, but we're doing pretty well so far. Several titles from the '80s, '90s and '00s. A few from the '70s. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) is the oldest film released on the format so far.
Kenji Umino: Hey, that's fair enough. We all have our reasons, and I don't look down on those who choose not to collect a given format, or physical media in general. Some choose convenience over quality, for some it's a space issue, for some (like you) it's something different. It's a personal choice to make, and while I have my own preferences it's not my place to decide for others. The chips will fall where they may. If physical media dies as a result of poor/non-existent sales, that's that. I'll be sad to see it go, but it's as democratic a process as it can be - we vote with our wallets! I just hope I have enough people on my side to keep it afloat for many years still.
I know this is an older video, but let me tell you, I used the Xbox one S for my 4K movies for a full year before finally deciding to upgrade to a Panasonic 4K player. This player made such a huge difference. The Xbox did not reproduce correct blacks and was a much dimmer display overall. I think it would be great if you revisited this review with a proper player.
How would you say it compares to a ps5? that’s all I have and don’t feel like shilling out the money for a 4k player if it’s ultimately the same thing. So far I’ve seen blues brothers on 4k and man is it purty
Panasonic ubp820?
@@harrisonplatis3902the PS5 looks great. First, make sure you have a proper TV and HDMI Cord. That will help with the power of the PS5
@@mrsquidward3569 just got the new lg lord c1 I def a 4k tv and the hdmi that comes with the ps5 supports HDR so I’d imagine it’s fine but wasn’t sure if it was like a huge quality jump from an actually blu ray/ 4k player like the way a record player is to other music media.
The Lord of the Rings has arrived on 4k blu-ray. It's time to revisit this topic.
I bought it, it’s amazing.
YES!
Along with the Star Wars 4K Blu ray, which is stunning as well
@@jj_1edzep Don't bother with Didney Wars
@@ProfessorGroyper you know that joke about how to recognise a vegan? (don't worry, they'll tell you). Same goes for people who hate Star Wars content from Disney.
@@jj_1edzep only time in my life I was happy to be compared with a vegan 🌱😳😅
is there 4k Hobbit and lotr?
EpicGaming The hobbit is a fucking atrosity. fuck that steaming pile of shit and fuck warner bros for forcing Peter to George Lucas that shit.
Niceguy51 wow prepare to get banned.
Edgy
Why so much hate here??
Btw, you can make one great movie out of the3 hobbit movies.
the Hobbit fucking sucks.
Lets get Linus to remake this video for 2019!
Lets get Linus to remake this video for 2020!
2021!
@@JASONXMARIELA One of these years we'll get it 😂
@@JASONXMARIELA 2022!
2064!
Five years on and streaming is still sub par when you compare it to a 4k UHD disc.
This needs to be revisited. I have just gotten into buying 4k discs a year ago.
On my Sony 4k HDR projector paired with the panasonic UB820, a well mastered 4k UHD disc really makes my Home Theater sing, the picture and audio quality can be absolutely mezmerizing.
I Also just got into buying 4k discs recently!😊😊 Do u mind recommending some of your favorite films on discs?
@@BeautifuIBoi Sure, welcome to the new hobby. :)
Dune, Top Gun Maverick, James Bond No time to die and The Batman have been great recent releases and my favorite discs this year.
Also older films that have been upgraded on 4k shot on film look amazing!
Check out The Thing, Jaws, Indiana Jones and The Godfather, Reservoir Dogs & Pulp Fiction.
Here are some general timeless recommendations on greatly mastered 4k disc worth buying:
Dunkirk
Lord of the rings
Saving Private Ryan
The Revenant
Alita Battle Angel
Interstellar
2001: A Space Odyssey
Alien
Blade Runner
Tenet
1917
The Shining
Lawrence of Arabia
Apocalypse Now
Unvorgiven
The Matrix
The Patriot
Joker
Seven Worlds, One Planet (Nature Documentary)
Hope it helps and have fun watching!
@@12max44 Thanks! Great list :)
Streaming will always be sub par because by nature the streamed data is compressed.
hold up this aint techmoan
Techmoan for life! I love that guy!
Techmoan is the best. (and his muppets)
he's so good. He sounds just like James May too, which honestly is why i started watchin
Not just me then!
*TecOman.
rofl what, the revenant was a massive difference even with your tinkering, look much better and more natural than the bluray
Nosferatu Zodd people just don't understand now a days. People will always argue what is natural because they like oversaturated colors
yeah bruh, I live in the mountains and work outside 14 hours a day, tell me more about what does and doesnt look natural
Nosferatu Zodd I'm agreeing with you dude haha.
Sal Morales Dont mind me then, I am retarded...
Nosferatu Zodd are you ok man
Online streaming is trash...unless you're practically blind and deaf.
I have really fast fiber, but it doesn't matter. Nobody streams dts-hd or truehd audio, let alone Atmos audio. Video quality...Netflix doesn't even come close to basic h.264 blu-ray quality.
The only streaming option I've found that comes even close to my Bluray collection in terms of quality is Vudu. Actual 1080p with a fairly high bitrate (enough that it occasionally struggles to do 720p on my parent's network that streams "4k" youtube no problem) and support for surround sound, it's just about the best option there is.
Most people care about the story rather than the extra beneficial visuals. I can carry a phone or a laptop with no physical media. I watch mostly care about my career, working out, women, and some TH-cam/Netflix when I'm chilling like...now. I may upgrade my streaming account when 4K/HDR content is added. The clothes you wear, the gym you go to, or maybe what you eat seem like to another person that you are blind or have no taste buds because of your inexperience in that area. We pay attention and care more about the quality of the activity because we put more effort into caring about it. You are in trade of time and caring effort more experienced/knowledgeable in the area.
since i'm not subjugated to having to try and compensate for using living room technology for passive media - the 1080p/1440p data streams being displayed at ~3/4 of that tops, means that my data stream is far, far more than sufficient to accurately represent the media.
but i am also immune to buzzwords marketing.
4K netflix streaming is fairly good
Not 100% related.
Long Live Laserdiscs!!!!
4K Blu-Ray reminds me a lot of D-Theater (D-VHS) in a lot of ways. Both are formats that offer the best in image quality for the time, while being on mediums that are considered obsolete by some (D-Theater on VHS, 4K Blu-Ray on a physical Disk).
D-VHS was awesome. I wish it took off.
Check out Techmoan's video about it.
Laser Discs looked worse then DVD, nobody wants them unless you collect out of date tech.
TekReviews Depends on the DVD, earlier DVDs suffered from a lot of digital compression, which those same Laserdiscs did not. However, these comparisons are honestly academic because Blu-Ray looks better than both of them. The advantage of Laserdiscs is the ability to get special versions of films.The Definitive version of Star Wars is a prime example.
Jop V. It's not unless you consider horrid CG stitched on the film as "Definitive"
Your first still on life of pi was one of my shots!!!!
+Richard Servello that's awesome!!
Richard Servello holy crap I saw your IMDb! Impressive body of work dude! Keep it up. 👍🏼
Stolen. Thanks :)
Magnificent work Richard. You are inspirational!!
HEY LINUS FOR SOME REASON I ALWAYS THOUGHT YOU WERE GAY...MANY BECOZ OF YOUR HIGH PITCHED NASALLY VOICE AND WEIRD HAND GESTURES....I WAS COMPLETELY SHOCKED TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE WIFE AND KIDS !!!
Streaming beating 4k Blu-ray?
Ha no way, Not everyone has internet to handle 4k Streaming let alone 1440p streaming!
Not to mention some ISP have Bandwidth caps.
***** yeah that too. 4k HDR Blue Ray wins instantly!
And the quality difference
google fiber and Sweedish internet can.
x2ceyez Google fiber isn't everywhere yet. And im not sweden. And even if internet can do it. It still doesnt really compare in quality
the upgrade from dvd to blu ray is more significant than from b.r to 4k
I rather have normal BlueRays than streaming, tho its WAY to hard to play it on a PC
BloodNoskie | BN You seem to dont understand what I mean. I do not mean power wise, I mean DRM wise.
MakeMKV should solve your DRM issues.
adalaza I know how you do it, but it is way harder than it should be. I was not even talking about having it on the computer.
You should be able to just put the Blue Ray disk in and play it, native in windows. But you cant.
Fabian H. FFS - BluRay - not 'BlueRay'
***** One letter difference, but you know what I mean, so I am not going to correct it.
But I might remember to the next time
I liked and still like 3D on a TV.
Riding Weeb weab trash
Riding Weeb lg tv's still have passive 3d
only1kolby i mean the one where the tv does the encoding like in the cinema
there are dozens of us, DOZENS!
Yung TedBounty gj on copying some internet joke
You should redo this now that there are so many more awesome 4k UHD Discs available on the market. I personally find the difference to be quite dramatic in many cases.
nacthenud I agree. But i haven't experienced 4K gaming yet, would you say thay the difference is very noticable?
LegendsNeverDie Absolutely 100% YES. I assume you’ve finally tried it. But if you haven’t and have an Xbox One X, try Rise or Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Forza 4, Gears 5, RDR 2, Borderlands 3...
We need 8K HDR with a 14 bit per channel color depth instead of 10 bit.
COMBO 16K video would be great to have, sadly, the companies making the TVs, are being too lazy with the 16K panels. 8K would at least provide at least some decent detail for casual viewing, and allow for us to have at least more than 1 company making cameras in the 16K range (currently only one company, thus they can price gouge to the extreme. 8K will provide a good viewing experience up to about a 40 inch display.
I want 144 fps movies!
i want 512k!... PER EYE at 144fps :) with Dolby Atmos version 4 with 360 degree speakers, above you, on the floor, on your chair! MAXIMUM OVERKILL
MRacer001 144 fps is not even that high of an expectation.
At least make it 60 ffs.
honestly i'm alright with 360p 24fps
I'm pretty damn confused.. I just got back from the TV store and i saw their 4K HDR displays, i was absolutely amazed at the lifelike picture quality, never has 1080p wowed me like that at any viewing distance. How anyone couldn't immediately see the difference between 1080p and 4K is hard for me to believe.
I jumped from dvd instantly to 4k & was instantly like stunned with Harry Potter's later titles. Watching a dvd compared to blu-ray I couldn't really tell the difference.
@@b4rs629 You can see the difference between 1080p and 4k, but not 480p and 1080p? Is this only with Harry Potter, or in general? Try Avatar (2009). 4k won't help much, but 1080p Blu-ray is far beyond 480p DVD. It depends on the film, and how the master and rescaling was done, and colouring, and the camera used (1080p digital, 4k+ digital, or 35mm film, then scanned anywhere from 2k to 4k in most cases).
I wish these reviews came with a disclaimer. You CAN'T actually see the HDR in this video. It's footage recorded from an HDR TV with a non-HDR camera, rendered into a non-HDR video, uploaded to non-HDR youtube, and you're watching it on a (presumably) non-HDR screen.
That said, it leads to a question: Because the HDR footage he showed DID look better on my non-HDR monitor (let's say because the shadows were darker, the scenes didn't have as much of a blue tint etc), doesn't that mean all of those effects could have been achieved in post, by just color-correcting the bluray master? (aside from the actual HDR that we can't even see here).
FWIW I've tried taking photos of my HDR TV displaying a frame from The Man in the High Castle on Amazon Prime in HDR and I could not capture all of the information in the image my TV was displaying in a single photograph. I could photograph the bright areas and the dark areas separately, or take multiple shots with different exposure compensation settings, and different parts of the picture would look correctly exposed.
So while a camera pointed at a TV and viewed on an IPS latpop screen on TH-cam might give you some sense of the difference between SDR and HDR, in real life it's a completely different thing again.
All that said, the specific content you are viewing makes a huge difference. I get the feeling that colorists are still learning how to make the most of HDR and there is some spectacular stuff out there and some very meh stuff.
+Rob Fisher You must have a shitty camera because mine can capture HDR just fine.
oBLACKIECHANoo How do you know? How are you displaying the photo?
+Rob Fisher How am I displaying it? It seems like you don't know anything about cameras what so ever. I shot RAW and used lightroom to bring up/down the exposure, a bit different than using a phone to capture a shitty jpeg.
oBLACKIECHANoo then we're talking about the same thing in different ways. Sure with a DSLR shooting raw you can capture 14 bits of dynamic range and do exposure compensation afterwards. But you can't save that range of brightness to a sRGB JPEG, nor can you display it on a normal monitor. A decent movie camera shooting raw does the same thing, which is why HDR colour grading is possible.
Now, if you can find a way to display a Raw photo on a consumer HDR TV in all its glory (without encoding it into a movie file), I'm all ears. I'd love to be able to do it.
let's talk about that? Is this GMM?
NalaNate no but everyone says that
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I was just about to comment the same! hahahaha
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How ironic that I'm watching a video about 4K in 144p.
TH-cam just automatically set it on 144p I don't know why.
Internet speed, probably
Juozas Domarkas Yeah, for some reason my internet's been really crappy today.
Some channels a video will only let me choose 1080p while other's can pick 1440p. Even if the video was uploaded in 1440p I still can not choose higher. And I'm watching on a PC at home.
The youtuber chooses the highest resolution m8
Ionut Maris Don't worry it gets better in 9 pm
physical media will be around for a long long time it’s not going anywhere
Tj Nickles true
I agree... then I remember how quickly CD's and physical audio media died and no one even realized it.
AM Motorsport But CDs haven’t died yet. New albums are still being released on CD and people, including me, still buy them, as well as films on blu-ray/UHD blu-ray.
Ross Tarran yeah some here
@@rosstee - CD's are BARELY even stocked in retail stores. Sure you can buy them online from Amazon and retailers with endless storage warehouses but they are few and far between. I prefer physical media as it gives the owner/purchaser something tangible to collect/own/be proud of. I personally own over 1000 DVD's, about 500 Blue Rays, and close to 2000 CD's... but the fact is that current sales trends are not on its side. Truly sad if you ask me.
I literally was about to buy a 4K hdr. You sold me that we aren't ready
Ryan Thomas Same. probably better to wait for the price to go down and content to catch up. Similar to VR right now.
My PC monitor is 1440p and I am still satisfied. Once you go 1440p there is no going back. Huge difference between 1080p and 1440p
What does that have to do with this? We're talking about TVs, which tend to cost _way_ more than monitors. Monitors have the obvious benefit of gaming, which you don't see as much with TVs (because of their high latency). And you don't see many 1440p TVs anyway.
Ryan Thomas I usually tend to wait a year or 2 before buying new technology, that way I will get the more refined version at a much cheaper price!
well thats stupid to be a sheep and listen to this fool because its so worth it, but you need to buy an actual 4k player unlike this reviewer who is watching it on a fucking xbox which is a joke
Does anyone actually buy physical media anymore because I haven't for years
I do....
lol it's because although digital movies are easy and quick, blu rays are just a better experience with a higher bit rate and better color contrast.
PcGamer Sam I still do. Already own like 15 4k blu ray discs. The picture quality of physical media is noticeably better than any streaming service I've used.
+03chrisv Same. I have a blu ray collection with over 130 movies and starting to collect 4k next.
PcGamer Sam Digital media has no value. I can sell my blu rays once i don't need them. Can't do that with a digital download or game
You forgot one of the biggest benefits: 4K Blu-Ray disks are *REGION FREE!!!* This is awesome for people into foreign films.
SoCalFreelance Blu Ray is also region free.
Incorrect, HD Blu-Ray is not region free.
SoCalFreelance Blu Ray is Region free I own the Original Spider Man Trilogy on Blu Ray and it says Region ABC.
+Deric James So the one blu-ray you own proves it.
oBLACKIECHANoo Yeah and I also own about 200 Blu Rays and some are region free and others are region locked.
Aquaman 4K is ridiculously beautiful. That’s the standard for me...
I loved the GMM intro
Didn't know I was watching GMM...
What if Disney brought LTT
Abhinav Pandey u mean LMG
Wait they haven't yet? I'm surprised.
EpicGaming u mean MLG
they would do a half crap video series in which linus only appears at the end of the series and does weird faces, while the rest is dennis and berkel being dumb.
Abhinav Pandey they would do a 1:1 remake of the original LTT to pander to whiny fanboys.
Give us a 2022 retake!
Streaming is great for things like youtube when you want to watch something random or while multitasking. But for a serious movie experience Blu ray, 3d or 4k is the only way to go. Use quality cinema headphones if you don't have space for speaker setup as this will let you hear the subtle sounds you normally would miss. It's the small things that add the details, it's like seeing a quality photo of a person compared to seeing them in real life.
Here in the UK in 2019 I can count the number of services that offer streaming of movies with HDR and Dolby Atmos on the fingers of no hands. It's 4K bluray discs for me if I want to get the most out of my equipment.
Mate check out "cinema paradiso" they are a disc rental service that offers 4k discs too. That is best of both worlds imo: the quality but not having to pay a fortune.
I'd be amazed to see a 128GB movie streamed over US internet Lol
I think netflix is doing great with there 4k hdr for only 15mb/s but ofcourse there will be a lot of detail removed because of it
Pepijn Mommersteeg *their 4K (possessive)
*of course
Hahahahhaha never
You realize the total size of the movie doesn't matter right?
@@ktfjulien that couldn't be further from the truth
Unfortunately this review is DEEPLY FLAWED: XBox One S blu ray player outputs color INCORRECTLY to display. Watch any review on Xbox One S as a blu ray player. Also, the console has no Dolby Vision support - the dominant HDR format in films. This analysis needs to be redone!
Wow this HDR looks amazing
I have to agree.
You can't see HDR unless you are in real life, a video recording of it won't show you much. LG's Dolby Vision HDR is much better then the other HDR10 variants. HDR10 can't fluctuate based on the scene and won't give as good of black levels when scenes have darker area's that fluctuate.
jlebrech he did not upload on 4k
so buy my 4k OLED next xmas. got it.
oldfrend oled tvs have burn-in problems
some_12_year_old That was a nice load of bullshit
They aren't cheap whatsoever, I'll tell you that much.
I have a 2016 LG 1080p OLED TV and watch a lot of sport on it, where for a formula 1 race the network logo will be up for 2+ hours before an ad break and no burn in. We didn't get 4K because from our viewing distance content
thisrocks88 I take it the massive increase of cost also had something to do with not getting the 4K model?
I don't care for 4k...but HDR is a big deal. I have no 100 inch OLED.
u rich i not
Screen sizes are inching upwards. When you get to 65", at a viewing distance of 3 metres, 4k really makes a difference. Note that 4k TVs will upscale 1080p content to 4k resolution, so you still get some benefit even if it's a 1080p signal. With that said, I 100% agree that HDR is even more important. You only need to look as far as Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 2 ;-)
4K IS mainly about the colors, not resolution lol, the upgrade in resolution isn't that noticable, I mean I see it, but it's not like DVD to 2K, but those colors, and blacks...
Glorious
I got myself an oled 65 inch and it kinda pissed me off. You HAD to watch everything in 4K. Even full hd was just the very bare minimum. I switched to a 55.
Little traveler I'm confused by what you said
Years ago I sold my vast dvd/bluray collection to a then open music/dvd store "Fye" because of streaming services. I soon learned they only have some movies and very few of what my previous collection had. Years later, I now have restored that collection and added more. I will never get rid of these movies and shows again. Many are so rare you can't find them anywhere to stream or to buy.
@Mike I have Netflix and amazon prime. Netflixs movie selection is a joke, itd be far easier to list the great movies that are actually on there rather than the ones that aren't. AP is better but most movies you still have to rent, sometimes for the same price as a second hand blu Ray, yet you only get it for 48 hours after you start it with inferior audio and visual quality. And some movies just aren't on either:
Amadeus
True Lies
The Abyss
Wild At Heart
Theatrical cut of Apocalypse Now
And that's just famous stuff. If this guy is into cult and arthouse movies the list is a LOOOT longer
@Mike Ik they're on Blu Ray but that's not what OP was saying.
Proof that Amazing Spider-Man 2 was disappointing on every single level
Sec Pendragon the 4K looks good mostly for the Times square scene it's really beautiful and eye candy for the Amazing Spider Man 2.
LMAO
Sec Pendragon was looking for this comment
I love Zimmer's score.
Ryan F You do cause you commented.
Without watching the video, my prediction: The 4K is going to depend on what you watch. A lot of digital films were mastered at something like 2k and will *never* be able to produce a 4k film. They might be upscaled, but the disc has more room for bonus content if they don't go the route of full 4k.
HDR I haven't seen a monitor/TV that supports it, so I can't comment on the full colour spectrum it produces.
EDIT: After watching the video: seems about right, though how much of the difference is HDR and how much comes to the producers simply trying to make a better grade is still a bit of an uncertainty to me.
Basicly anything that wasnt natively recorded in 4k is not worth it. I doubt it will be easy for you as a consumer to find out what is true 4k content and what is just mastered nonsense.
As for HDR, basicly literaly any new TV supports HDR. As for monitors, not really but they are already on their way aswell but expect them to be really expensive initially.
There are at least some things that will be easier to tell, but you'll need to do research for it first. That which was mastered from 35mm film will be capable of a "native-ish" 4k (having the practical information of about 3k but the fine grain detail can't be easily recorded unless you go well beyond 4K.)
Rodney/Rosetta ha you beat me to it, I was going to predict Linus saying "it depends..." but I still like his work.
Rosetta Foster 35mm is roughly 6k, 70mm is 12k. So digital still has some catching up to do
4k is worth it.. I love 4k. Quality matters!
Really? How many 4K films have you bought?
@@DarkKnight-gi5vd at least 30.. on top of that I stream stuff in 4k all the time.. u just have to have the right setup. Or have an eye that can appreciate quality
i still buy blue rays (non UHD) as i want a physical copy to put into my bookcase....no online crap can replace that...maybe im getting old....
That Wii tho
You got problem with that? ;)
spavatch yes yes I do
480i boiz
The human eye can’t see beyond 480i
Anything beyond a Wii is pointless
@@thedutchgulcher4750 With component cables, it outputs 480p.
Good job on saying ABORTION one second into the video lmao.
Seriously. and my volume was way up too. *facepalm
i don't think 4k will make spiderman 2 any better
Could you make a new refresher video on Blu Ray and HDR Blu Ray, is it still worth it in 2024 over streaming services?
Yes 👍
4k hdr blu-ray and 4k tv trash go back to 1080p sdr blu-ray with 1080p tv
is Linus GMM now?
I am
Haha I was about to post this too
What is GMM?
Good Mythical Morning. A youtube talk show
Came to the comments to make that comparison as soon as I heard him say it.
Blu-ray capacity:
25 GB (single-layer)
50 GB (dual-layer)
100/200/300 GB (BDXL)
Up to six layers are possible in a standard form BD.
Not just 128 GB and 3 layers😋
@Blob B A standard blu-ray usually use 2 layers so yes...
"Amazing Spider-Man 2 was our low point"
Dammit, even just for 4K viewing this movie sucks.
Looool
Shut the fuck up
@@youngdemimonde2344 Amazing Spider man 2 sucks. Deal with it.
Apparently Fan4stic even got a 4k Blu-Ray release...
Watching a UHD disc on my old plasma made me realize that the source material is usually the limiting factor in picture quality. They look absolutely stunning. The TV doesn't support HDR but it does support 10-bit color which gets rid of the banding and color gradation that you get from ordinary Blu-ray or most streaming content. Watching a 4K video on a 1080 screen also gives you about 95% of the detail you get on a native 4K screen at a typical seating distance - it's like 4x super-sampling.
#LinusAlmostOnTimeTips
DanielRichards644 how did you view this earlier than upload
WIZARD
maby they put it to private but didnt lock it so if someone looked through the links they can veiw it
#LinusShitYouWontNeedTips
lololol
Good video and agree with the conclusion..... however, you did choose just about the worst player...
I've looked at the Xbox One S side by side with my Panasonic DMP-UB900 on my LG 950V 65" OLED and the Panasonic blows it out of the water.
The Xbox One S tends to over-saturate the colours compared to a "reference" player like the Panasonic DMP-UB900 and misses out on subtle features such as 4:4:4 chroma upscaling.
Sound is also a bit of a joke from the Xbox where you are limited to PCM output rather taking the disk's bitstream directly to the amp.
The biggest issue with UHD right now is the disks where a great many are poor conversions. I'm sure the ratio of good to bad disks will improve over time as the studios learn how to get the most from the format. You have to remember the dynamic range offered here is even better than you get at the cinema, so this is new ground for the disk graders.
I really do hope that the format takes off, as this is my only option for 4K / UHD - living in a rural area with a maximum of 3 Mb/s internet connectivity, online 4K streaming is not an option! Even if it were, online 4K / UHD is just horrible and standard Blu-Ray blows it out of the water in a side-by-side comparison. This would be a good comparison for you guys to do - show the masses what they are missing with terrible streaming quality!
Kevin Adam you're so right. I was starting to question my purchase of a 4K TV, until I went back and watched my 1080 Blu-ray discs.
Not a huge upgrade by any means, but is worth spending the extra money if you're shopping to replace a TV that died.
Time to re-shot this video. Streaming 4k is worst than it used to be 3 years ago. lots of data stream caps in place. You could be wired to 600mbps and Netflix will stream a 4k movie at 20mbps. Same for most apps
Cable boxes still give you tiling and noise and 4k streaming isnt a pure picture either..Blu-ray is still king in 2019
Streaming 1080p and Blu-ray 1080p look identical to me.
DVD is still king because it out sells Blu ray massively.
@@bubba842 I said cable boxes DVD is clean looking up to 1080p
I'd rather have increased frame rates where possible rather than 4k.
And for HDR, you are gonna need a really decent OLED TV for that, I know when I went from CRT to LCD the colour depth was a huge downgrade especially when watching films that have dark scenes, the contrast was between light and dark was just missing entirely.
I think HDR for the most part where films are considered is a bit of a gimmick, what matters is the display itself, sure more colour depth is always good but only if the TV is good enough to display it.
Are you talking about higher framerates in movies?
Well, when the programs come out, you can burn your own UHD Blu-rays in 3840x2160 at 60Hz.
Page 40 If you're curious.
www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Downloadablefile/BD-ROM_Part3_V3.1_WhitePaper_160729_clean.pdf
Dragon Slayer Ornstein we pc players got and framerates and 1080p :3
Higher framerates on movies lead to a Soap Opera effect. It makes movement look dumb.
Personally, I think OLEDs look too over-saturated and unrealistic.
They need to bring back THX Certified for these Blu-rays...so they can monitor the quality of these discs!!
Would be interested to see this video get an update now that we are in 2023 and OLED’s are also more affordable (still expensive but not like even 3-4 years ago)
Here's my tip for you people if you already have a large blu ray collection particularly steelbooks or special editions:
ONLY upgrade movies you love and are gonna watch alot and/or movies that are gonna highly benefit with the 4k treatment i.e. Revenant, Pacific Rim, etc...
TIP #2 for Special edition blu ray collectors: Buy the 4k, chuck out the dvd from your steelbook, digibook, etc and replace it with the 4k disc, and discard the 4k packaging or sell it whatever, that way you get the best of both worlds. Your steelbooks wont become obsolete and you get the best of both worlds. BOOM.
That's my plan anyway.
*a lot
this is sound advice.. please if you sell your old Blu's , Rasputin is the best (where I buy them) , would love your formerly loved collections. especially the 'tired' 3D versions of movies like jupiter ascending ..its so over the top, almost hysterical at times.. I love it for eddy redmayne.. you will never see him play an androgynous psycho like this again lol.. his lines are fits and tantrums.. "I create life, and i DESTROY it!" ..
That's the way I'm planning too but most steels, digibooks and boxes in my collection don't have dvds. And I don't want to ban the bonus discs
That's exactly what I do.
I had this idea, too... Good to know other people already do it.
"HDR Effect" is just for SDR content to try and replicate HDR. For changing settings in the real HDR mode you first need to put on HDR content and THEN adjust.
In other words: The native HDR settings are not avaliable in the meny before actually putting on HDR content. So there is a few flauds in this test..
I prefer 4K Dolby Atmos. Besides, why not buy 4K instead of standard Blu-ray when they now come together. You can upgrade at anytime.
THIS. 100% You get a 4K disc, regular Blu-Ray with bonus features, AND a digital copy ffs!!!
Yes, I'd like a current comparison of 4K HDR. Not saying it's much more advanced, but interested to see how far it has come.
Hello, it's 2022: it's not much more advanced. It's really a matter of how the film was shot, what camera was used, and what is happening with CGI and so forth. Ks are not helpful anymore at this point. For example, the massive Avengers: Endgame (2019) was shot at like 8k native, but was rendered at 2k, and has lots of 2k CGI, and was then upscaled to 4k afterwards, and is pretty average for 4k Blu-ray...
A follow up should be done on this topic. 4K Ultra HD Blu-rays have gotten A LOT cheaper, not to mention there’s way more movies out then there was two years ago. 4K equipment has also gotten a lot better and a lot cheaper. You’re crazy if you can’t tell the difference.
Please revisit this now in 2020.
09:29 , it's finally revealed, he's canadian.
My favorite part of the video was noticing that you still have your Wii XD
OVD So??? Mine does too.
OVD I know, right?
The Wii was awesome and still is a great system.
I use mine to play GameCube games from a USB stick! It's awesome. It's a GameCube... But one that plays games from an SD-card or USB-stick.
Nee het is steen Oh, you can do that?
I use my old gamecube games when playing on the wii so I didn't know it'd read bootleg games off of a flashdrive..
TheDeathmail I softmodded mine in about 30 minutes, first try. It runs emulators, gamecube games, all the good stuff. You can use almost any storage device if it goes via USB or SD-card. It can even take HDD's to play games off
Why Sony never included a 4K BluRay drive on the PS4 Pro is beyond me. This is their own technology, and they handed their competitor the advantage
Because they were saving it for the PS5.
2020 now, been comparing streaming 4k vs discs... and the definitive answer (for me) is YES. Disc based media is superior.
Disk based content will always be superior. But people want convenience and a cheaper price. Something physical media can't deliver. It's sad but it's the future. Blockbuster didn't die off because Netflix was better. It was just cheaper and more convenient.
Linus should come back to this, I've been buying a lot of UHD Blu-Rays during the lock down, and I notice a big difference between disk and streaming, also get a dedicated player for the redo, I suggest the Panasonic UB820 or a UB9000 if your a baller.
i fell like i am getting conned into buying the same movies over and over again every generation
vhs
dvd
blue ray
4k
8k
16k ???
32k>????
....
Unless you're watching on a state of the art TV which exposes flaws in any image, DVD will still work just fine.
Double all those figures because of Hollywood rebooting EVERYTHING.
Big difference between DVD, and Blu-ray, not as big of a difference between 2K, and 4K, but I still like my 4K
Capitalism
I also like 3D, but nobody forces anyone to upgrade, although if a person still watches VHS I question their eyesight, I've upgraded many DVDs to Blu-ray, but 40% of my movies/TV are still DVDs, for some movies DVD is fine like comedians, I rarely upgrade from Blu-ray to 4K, in fact Blade Runner, the MIB trilogy (couldn't pass up all three in a steelbook case, lol), and the first Matrix are the only movies I can think of actually, now DVD to 4K I've done a few times, but most of my 4Ks are relatively new releases, the difference between 2K, and 4K isn't really about resolution its negligible, its about color, just like colors on blu-rays are far far better than DVD, but like I said 2K to 4K isn't a big jump, not like DVD to Blu-ray (and a big jump in resolution) I think and hope they will stop at 4K, the human eye can only see so much, and I think 4K is pretty much the limit
How many of you are here after watching Linus new video? Looks like for most people a Bluray player is unnecessary even now. Most people can't spot the difference anyway.
I'd be interested in a 2017 update on this video. 4K HDR Blu Ray in 2017: Are we there yet?
I think we are Mattheiu, but I'd love to hear his thoughts and opinions. OLED and HDR has come a long ways in one year, as has LG's TV's. The LG line is 25% brighter and better with Active HDR, as well as supporting all four HDR formats. I've held off getting 4K until now, even though I've heard about it long before we even received it here in the States. However, I saw no need to upgrade from my Hitachi 65" 1080i TV or my Samsung 1080p 65" TV until... when I saw LG's and Sony's A1E and even Samsung's Q7. All three of those TV's are amazing, but I went with LG's OLED because of more HDR formats, and because it was a true OLED panel.
Sony's A1E uses LG's panel as well, so there is really only one OLED panel in the States. If you have the money, I think this is the first year that OLED and 4K HDR has made sense as a consumer and even a videophile.
We were there then, he just botched the testing. By the way, the stuff we saw in the video was "broken" because its not shown to us in HDR. Akin to watching 3D media without glasses.
Matthieu R I would love a new video on this subject! With TH-cam supporting HDR and all the new content, plus much cheaper HDR tv's, times have changed.
We’re getting closer (especially since all 6 (will probably be 5 within a year) big studios (and Lionsgate) are now releasing films in the format).
Matthieu R Yes we are, and I also had anal sex for the first time.
1:01 Someones been watching GMM
I prefer 1080p blu-rays and I am sticking to physical media forever
道神恵 Agreed
1080p why? Have you actually experienced true 4k hdr in person?
Agreed don’t have a big TV for that, either way I still wouldn’t get it Blu Ray looks good. Better then Streaming 4K
Kamen Rider lol @ watching 4K movies on a computer that probably doesn’t even support HDR. 4K on your tiny PC screen won’t make any difference...
@@djlowtek yes and I don't see any difference
One problem, not everyone wants to fiddle with settings just to get an HDR experience. You have to factor in that an HDR tv with HDR blu ray automativally produces the better colors. While you can simulate it with blue ray, you'll gave to re do any corrections every time the white balance or color grading changes
I started jumping into bluray in 2007 with my first bluray for Xmas which was pirates 3. Dvd in Xmas 2000. 3d in 2012. VHS in 80s. Digital HD in 2013.
Justin Fencsak you old bro
you jumped in time from '07 back to millenium, forward to 2012 just to go back then to the 80s to finally stop in 2013? xD what a confusing way
My dad had bought a 4k movie player because our rental store had 4k movies and we haven’t used it since the rental store shut down.
Its 2019 now. ... time revisit
Linus Tech Tips, you should do a revisit to this video.
I bought a Sony UBP-X700 and I dont regret it. Today's streaming services cant compete with UHD Blu Rays.
but currently Netflix has 4K HDR content
@@NaddlyC Great, but will it reach 128Mb bitrate like the blu ray does?
@@NaddlyC it doesn't support DTS:X
@@pedrocruz3135 no, but is this really necessary for 4K?
@@joshgomez7522 Ok, you have a point
Lol. W45 is actually neutral colour tempareture, not 0. It's what closest to a 6500K colour temperature. Also, gamma should be 2.4 or BT.1886 in a dark room.
7:02
Jesus, the colour of the Blu Ray is so much better than the HDR in that screenshot.
Yep
I finally got a 4K blu ray player and the revenant and holy shit it's fucking amazing
In terms of visuals, can you say there's a difference between normal bluray and 4k hdr bluray?
absolutely
depends on the movie though. The revenant, mad max, and the martian shit on the blu ray counterparts. Movies like batman v superman in 4k aren't worthing purchasing, i would recommend getting the normal blu ray.
add the Lego movie to that list as well.
Ohh ok. So it depends on the movie's native resolution I guess.
Omg the "Why was PS4 not an option Sony?" made me laugh so much!!
That Nintendo Wii still in use
Tony Daniels From China with Love yeah
Can you guys make a new video about this topic? 4K Blu Rays are mainstream now. I would love to see a follow up to this video with the best OLED TVs of today. Thanks!
3D bluray works quite nicely in VR. Maybe that should get a revisit?
I shelled out for a proper soundbar to get clearer sound while watching movies. It's wider than my 40" cheapo TV that I bought in 2014 that doesn't even have smart features, and I couldn't be happier. Well, I probably could, but I'd also be significantly poorer.
Also I've not figured out how to calibrate my TV to my unreasonable standards, so I dropped it down to "does it show a picture? Does it seem to display the correct colours? If yes, close enough".
"ridonculous speaker setup" guess that's me 😂😂
this video is 7 years old and i still don't have a 4k hdr tv... I'm just sad right now
4k hdr blu-ray and 4k tv trash go back to 1080p sdr blu-ray with 1080p tv
It's 2019 and I'm still happy watching Blu-ray movies on my 50 inch 1080p screen. I don't plan on getting a 4K, 8K or OLED TV for at least another 5 years!
I agree with you there! Let's wait until it drops down more, I'm finding blurays like life of pi for 3 bucks at pawn shops.
My 8 year old 50'' Plasma still looks really great but those OLED with HDR are pretty spectacular.
@@famousmidnight You're right but you know what's even more insane than the picture quality of OLED TV, the prices! I saw a 65 inch OLED for almost $3,000 at Costco. That's why I'm going to wait a few years until the drop under $1,000.
@@TheOwlCreek About 15 years ago most of the good LCD's were well over $3000. Personally not looking at anything over 52'' so the prices aren't that bad. I actually remember going to Sears as a kid and seeing Plasma's for almost $10k..crazy
@@famousmidnight exactly and you can find those now for about 350 for 65 I'm screen
I forgot how beautiful is the photography of the Revenant ❤️
Nice Rei Profile pic :)