4K HDR Blu Ray - Is it worth it?
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- Is the latest "upgrade" from the entertainment industry truly a step in the right direction, or is it another half-baked semi-upgrade solely designed to outdate your current home theater setup?
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I think this deserves a revisit
Der Edelpenner Totally agree. This is completely bullshit today. Can’t see benefits of 4K on anything less than 100 inches? Lol. That was bullshit back then.
Streaming services' UHD or 4k streaming is not UHD or 4k, their UHD/4k streams have a fraction of the bitrate of a regular blu-ray, let alone an UHD blu-ray, while their industry spreads propaganda that they are the future and physical copies are bad. Not fair to the blu-ray format and it isn't fair to the dumb fucks who bought a 4k TV to watch Netflix or some other streaming "service" on when it isn't even actually 4k.
Der Edelpenner yup
Der Edelpenner
Yes!
I’d love that.
Lol, i'm sitting here pretending to see the difference on a 1080p IPS panel through youtube.
I'm on a 1080p TN display and I could definitely see the difference
You should 100% be able to see a difference. I just watched this on one of my TN screens and the differences were clear.
Adahop I mean it in the sense where someone is showing you the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps but your watching in 30fps and cant really see the difference. Im not seeing HDR im seeing adjusted colors in comparison to something that isnt HDR
Also in the sense that you can't show anyone what speaker is better by recording them with a microphone, uploading it to TH-cam, and playing it back with earbuds. But I guess in this case hearing the difference between speakers as recorded by the same microphone might illustrate a point even though you're not hearing the full effect.
+Concil True, it has been compressed back into a non-HDR video for us but the point wasn't for us to see HDR directly. It was to give us an idea of what they look like relative to each other, and it succeeded. Saying it's like watching 60fps versus 30fps on a 30Hz screen would only be true if they did something to illustrate the difference between the two framerates, like reducing the footage to half-speed so we could see them at 15fps and 30fps respectively.
Me watching this on my crappy monitor: "Wow! Look at the difference!"
@surfitlive No one cares
@@gonkillua14 hey, stop that
@@gonkillua14 no need to be toxic. Toppo.
Any chance for a revisit on this topic? I feel like there's a solid argument for 4k's now that the format has matured a bit.
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I see no reason to abandon Blu-Rays for Streaming:
1. better video quality
2. better audio quality
3. no need for an internet connection
4. No throttling from service providers.
Drop 3 if you intend to watch 4K HDR Blue-rays. www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/47s8qz/ultrahd_blurays_will_ship_with_aacs_20_a_drm_that/
Nulano Thanks for the info, didn't know that o_O
My reaction summed up in that Reddit post: "I don't really want to pirate, but they're making it look pretty damn attractive."
That post is 10 months old and gives no credible sources.
DeathInANoose That doesn't disprove it. Also, in 2007 the AACS LA decided to expire cracked decryption keys, forcing users to update their player firmware, if they wished to play new titles. Then they decided, that once wasn't enough, and that you should receive periodic updates on PC, if you wish to continue using Blu-ray. www.aacsla.com/news/
This is essentially the same thing, but it's moved from being periodic, to being per-disc and not PC-exclusive.
My family still claims to not be able to tell the difference between SD and FHD. They drive.
Folopolis I they are probably legally blind if they are honest, if not they just don't want to spend money on a 1080p(In my opinion they should)
They own a 4K 50-something inch TV, so it's not cost. Frankly I think they're just too lazy to remember to add 200 to whatever channel number they want to watch to get the HD version.
Folopolis i drive and not enough diff to invest in newer tech that will be yesterdays news in a year. some think keeping up with tech, well entertainment tech is a must and will invest everything into it, the rest of us have lives and 1080p is just fine.
There is a huge difference, but not if the content has been upscaled. I went from a 1440p tablet to a 1080p tablet, and the difference was noticeable. The difference between my old 1080p display to 4K is even more impressive. Even at seven or eight feet away, I can see a difference between 1080 and 4K.
+David Effiong There is a really big difference between an HDTV and 4K TV, but there is very little difference between a blu ray and a UHD blu ray. Both look about the same on the same 4K TV. Frankly, I have several blu rays that look much better than 4K titles. My Lawrence of Arabia Blu Ray looks better than my UHD Blu Ray of Independence Day for instance. . . I think it probably comes down to things like film stock and lenses and transfer techniques which factor into the quality more that the resolution.
There is some stunning 4k material on TH-cam which is a massive step up, but so far for movies, not a big difference. Certainly the difference is nothing as appreciable as the improvement seen from DVD to Blu Ray. The actual 4K screens look WAY better, the actual 4K Blu Rays, meh.
People who swear by streaming don't give a crap about quality.
I personally buy movies on iTunes, not because I don’t like physical media, which I really do like, but it’s just so much cheaper. I mean you can but 4K movies with Dolby Atmos and Vision for 4.99. You can’t beat that
It looks exactly the same to me, I think people are just nitpicking.
crunchy you’re correct. Typical “first-world problems”
Sebastian Orozco
Yeah. Streaming does compress the video, but the average consumer won’t notice a difference (myself included). Physical media has its advantages but the oh so slightly better quality isn’t a huge win over streaming imo, but that’s subjective I guess.
True.
You should redo this now that there are so many more awesome 4k UHD Discs available on the market. I personally find the difference to be quite dramatic in many cases.
nacthenud I agree. But i haven't experienced 4K gaming yet, would you say thay the difference is very noticable?
LegendsNeverDie Absolutely 100% YES. I assume you’ve finally tried it. But if you haven’t and have an Xbox One X, try Rise or Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Forza 4, Gears 5, RDR 2, Borderlands 3...
This definitely needs to be revisited. Some of the newer 4k disks are extremely impressive and the price of 4k displays have gone down alot
do it. I got cheap $230 4k tcl 4 series and barely today got a 4k player and it looks great. i got game of thrones in 4k
I would agree with that. But they could take those masters and put them on a standard Blu-ray disc and it would look impressive too. It's all down to the mastering. I think the studios like 4K Blu-ray because it's more difficult to pirate.
#GoodTechnicalMorning
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I'd watch that
Needs more Dennis.
KappaKappaKappaKappa for me is it 23:01
20:06 here
I know this is an older video, but let me tell you, I used the Xbox one S for my 4K movies for a full year before finally deciding to upgrade to a Panasonic 4K player. This player made such a huge difference. The Xbox did not reproduce correct blacks and was a much dimmer display overall. I think it would be great if you revisited this review with a proper player.
How would you say it compares to a ps5? that’s all I have and don’t feel like shilling out the money for a 4k player if it’s ultimately the same thing. So far I’ve seen blues brothers on 4k and man is it purty
Panasonic ubp820?
@@harrisonplatis3902the PS5 looks great. First, make sure you have a proper TV and HDMI Cord. That will help with the power of the PS5
@@mrsquidward3569 just got the new lg lord c1 I def a 4k tv and the hdmi that comes with the ps5 supports HDR so I’d imagine it’s fine but wasn’t sure if it was like a huge quality jump from an actually blu ray/ 4k player like the way a record player is to other music media.
The Lord of the Rings has arrived on 4k blu-ray. It's time to revisit this topic.
I bought it, it’s amazing.
YES!
Along with the Star Wars 4K Blu ray, which is stunning as well
@@larsjj2794 Don't bother with Didney Wars
@@ProfessorGroyper you know that joke about how to recognise a vegan? (don't worry, they'll tell you). Same goes for people who hate Star Wars content from Disney.
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Lets get Linus to remake this video for 2019!
Lets get Linus to remake this video for 2020!
2021!
@@JASONXMARIELA One of these years we'll get it 😂
@@JASONXMARIELA 2022!
2064!
is there 4k Hobbit and lotr?
EpicGaming The hobbit is a fucking atrosity. fuck that steaming pile of shit and fuck warner bros for forcing Peter to George Lucas that shit.
Niceguy51 wow prepare to get banned.
Edgy
Why so much hate here??
Btw, you can make one great movie out of the3 hobbit movies.
the Hobbit fucking sucks.
It's absolutely worth it, streaming can't compete. Support physical media, folks!
IT looks sooooo good
no
MechaGodzilla Too bad movies suck these days and aren't worth buying
physical media my ass.
i have been supporting physical media for so long now.
i got a wall of DVDs and games and boxes full of vinyl and music CDs ... but blu-ray ? nope ... not buying it ... 4k or not ... IDGAF
my problem with it is that the DRM on 4k discs is even more fucked up than normal blu-ray is.
and normal blu-ray was too fucked up for my taste already.
i can't just build a media center PC, stuff a BD-XL drive in it, install some media center distro on it and call it a day.
blu-ray was bad already because i could not play the disc with VLC or kodi just like that without installation of other software and/or serious tinkering with configurations 'n' shit ...
and 4k blu-ray makes it even worse: it has to be a specific CPU with specific windows software and what not ...this is bullshit. BULL-FUCKING-SHIT !!!!!!
as long as i feel like i am being punished for legaly obtaining a movie on a physical format because i can't use the hardware i want or media player software i prefer to play any physical FHD & UHD media i legaly obtained it's just not happening.
if this gets fixed, i might start buying blu-ray.
Linda Means: There's no shortage of older films available on physical media, you know. Plenty classics, cult classics and not-so-classics going all the way back to the silent era have been released on DVD and Blu-ray. I own many.
UHD Blu-ray doesn't have quite as sizable a library yet, but we're doing pretty well so far. Several titles from the '80s, '90s and '00s. A few from the '70s. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) is the oldest film released on the format so far.
Kenji Umino: Hey, that's fair enough. We all have our reasons, and I don't look down on those who choose not to collect a given format, or physical media in general. Some choose convenience over quality, for some it's a space issue, for some (like you) it's something different. It's a personal choice to make, and while I have my own preferences it's not my place to decide for others. The chips will fall where they may. If physical media dies as a result of poor/non-existent sales, that's that. I'll be sad to see it go, but it's as democratic a process as it can be - we vote with our wallets! I just hope I have enough people on my side to keep it afloat for many years still.
Here's my tip for you people if you already have a large blu ray collection particularly steelbooks or special editions:
ONLY upgrade movies you love and are gonna watch alot and/or movies that are gonna highly benefit with the 4k treatment i.e. Revenant, Pacific Rim, etc...
TIP #2 for Special edition blu ray collectors: Buy the 4k, chuck out the dvd from your steelbook, digibook, etc and replace it with the 4k disc, and discard the 4k packaging or sell it whatever, that way you get the best of both worlds. Your steelbooks wont become obsolete and you get the best of both worlds. BOOM.
That's my plan anyway.
*a lot
this is sound advice.. please if you sell your old Blu's , Rasputin is the best (where I buy them) , would love your formerly loved collections. especially the 'tired' 3D versions of movies like jupiter ascending ..its so over the top, almost hysterical at times.. I love it for eddy redmayne.. you will never see him play an androgynous psycho like this again lol.. his lines are fits and tantrums.. "I create life, and i DESTROY it!" ..
That's the way I'm planning too but most steels, digibooks and boxes in my collection don't have dvds. And I don't want to ban the bonus discs
That's exactly what I do.
I had this idea, too... Good to know other people already do it.
Streaming beating 4k Blu-ray?
Ha no way, Not everyone has internet to handle 4k Streaming let alone 1440p streaming!
Not to mention some ISP have Bandwidth caps.
***** yeah that too. 4k HDR Blue Ray wins instantly!
And the quality difference
google fiber and Sweedish internet can.
x2ceyez Google fiber isn't everywhere yet. And im not sweden. And even if internet can do it. It still doesnt really compare in quality
hold up this aint techmoan
Techmoan for life! I love that guy!
Techmoan is the best. (and his muppets)
he's so good. He sounds just like James May too, which honestly is why i started watchin
Not just me then!
*TecOman.
Yes, I'd like a current comparison of 4K HDR. Not saying it's much more advanced, but interested to see how far it has come.
Hello, it's 2022: it's not much more advanced. It's really a matter of how the film was shot, what camera was used, and what is happening with CGI and so forth. Ks are not helpful anymore at this point. For example, the massive Avengers: Endgame (2019) was shot at like 8k native, but was rendered at 2k, and has lots of 2k CGI, and was then upscaled to 4k afterwards, and is pretty average for 4k Blu-ray...
Five years on and streaming is still sub par when you compare it to a 4k UHD disc.
This needs to be revisited. I have just gotten into buying 4k discs a year ago.
On my Sony 4k HDR projector paired with the panasonic UB820, a well mastered 4k UHD disc really makes my Home Theater sing, the picture and audio quality can be absolutely mezmerizing.
I Also just got into buying 4k discs recently!😊😊 Do u mind recommending some of your favorite films on discs?
@@BeautifuIBoi Sure, welcome to the new hobby. :)
Dune, Top Gun Maverick, James Bond No time to die and The Batman have been great recent releases and my favorite discs this year.
Also older films that have been upgraded on 4k shot on film look amazing!
Check out The Thing, Jaws, Indiana Jones and The Godfather, Reservoir Dogs & Pulp Fiction.
Here are some general timeless recommendations on greatly mastered 4k disc worth buying:
Dunkirk
Lord of the rings
Saving Private Ryan
The Revenant
Alita Battle Angel
Interstellar
2001: A Space Odyssey
Alien
Blade Runner
Tenet
1917
The Shining
Lawrence of Arabia
Apocalypse Now
Unvorgiven
The Matrix
The Patriot
Joker
Seven Worlds, One Planet (Nature Documentary)
Hope it helps and have fun watching!
@@12max44 Thanks! Great list :)
Streaming will always be sub par because by nature the streamed data is compressed.
Not 100% related.
Long Live Laserdiscs!!!!
4K Blu-Ray reminds me a lot of D-Theater (D-VHS) in a lot of ways. Both are formats that offer the best in image quality for the time, while being on mediums that are considered obsolete by some (D-Theater on VHS, 4K Blu-Ray on a physical Disk).
D-VHS was awesome. I wish it took off.
Check out Techmoan's video about it.
Laser Discs looked worse then DVD, nobody wants them unless you collect out of date tech.
TekReviews Depends on the DVD, earlier DVDs suffered from a lot of digital compression, which those same Laserdiscs did not. However, these comparisons are honestly academic because Blu-Ray looks better than both of them. The advantage of Laserdiscs is the ability to get special versions of films.The Definitive version of Star Wars is a prime example.
Jop V. It's not unless you consider horrid CG stitched on the film as "Definitive"
let's talk about that? Is this GMM?
NalaNate no but everyone says that
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You guys should do a follow up on this, Id really like to know if the quality has changed at all at this point.
physical media will be around for a long long time it’s not going anywhere
Tj Nickles true
I agree... then I remember how quickly CD's and physical audio media died and no one even realized it.
AM Motorsport But CDs haven’t died yet. New albums are still being released on CD and people, including me, still buy them, as well as films on blu-ray/UHD blu-ray.
Ross Tarran yeah some here
@@rosstee - CD's are BARELY even stocked in retail stores. Sure you can buy them online from Amazon and retailers with endless storage warehouses but they are few and far between. I prefer physical media as it gives the owner/purchaser something tangible to collect/own/be proud of. I personally own over 1000 DVD's, about 500 Blue Rays, and close to 2000 CD's... but the fact is that current sales trends are not on its side. Truly sad if you ask me.
Online streaming is trash...unless you're practically blind and deaf.
I have really fast fiber, but it doesn't matter. Nobody streams dts-hd or truehd audio, let alone Atmos audio. Video quality...Netflix doesn't even come close to basic h.264 blu-ray quality.
The only streaming option I've found that comes even close to my Bluray collection in terms of quality is Vudu. Actual 1080p with a fairly high bitrate (enough that it occasionally struggles to do 720p on my parent's network that streams "4k" youtube no problem) and support for surround sound, it's just about the best option there is.
Most people care about the story rather than the extra beneficial visuals. I can carry a phone or a laptop with no physical media. I watch mostly care about my career, working out, women, and some TH-cam/Netflix when I'm chilling like...now. I may upgrade my streaming account when 4K/HDR content is added. The clothes you wear, the gym you go to, or maybe what you eat seem like to another person that you are blind or have no taste buds because of your inexperience in that area. We pay attention and care more about the quality of the activity because we put more effort into caring about it. You are in trade of time and caring effort more experienced/knowledgeable in the area.
since i'm not subjugated to having to try and compensate for using living room technology for passive media - the 1080p/1440p data streams being displayed at ~3/4 of that tops, means that my data stream is far, far more than sufficient to accurately represent the media.
but i am also immune to buzzwords marketing.
4K netflix streaming is fairly good
Your first still on life of pi was one of my shots!!!!
+Richard Servello that's awesome!!
Richard Servello holy crap I saw your IMDb! Impressive body of work dude! Keep it up. 👍🏼
Stolen. Thanks :)
Magnificent work Richard. You are inspirational!!
HEY LINUS FOR SOME REASON I ALWAYS THOUGHT YOU WERE GAY...MANY BECOZ OF YOUR HIGH PITCHED NASALLY VOICE AND WEIRD HAND GESTURES....I WAS COMPLETELY SHOCKED TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE WIFE AND KIDS !!!
great review. love the comment about the transition period from each stage. I barely got into VHS and never held a collection by the time DVD came around. I immediately adopted as soon as it came out. have only been into blue-ray since about 2008 . the description of 4K UHD really helped me understand whether or not to transition into the new medium right now. Definitely a time to wait (if your not a rich , early adopter). I really hadn't noticed Blu-ray uhd vs blue ray.. will have to watch more closely on the labels
I'm pretty damn confused.. I just got back from the TV store and i saw their 4K HDR displays, i was absolutely amazed at the lifelike picture quality, never has 1080p wowed me like that at any viewing distance. How anyone couldn't immediately see the difference between 1080p and 4K is hard for me to believe.
I jumped from dvd instantly to 4k & was instantly like stunned with Harry Potter's later titles. Watching a dvd compared to blu-ray I couldn't really tell the difference.
@@b4rs629 You can see the difference between 1080p and 4k, but not 480p and 1080p? Is this only with Harry Potter, or in general? Try Avatar (2009). 4k won't help much, but 1080p Blu-ray is far beyond 480p DVD. It depends on the film, and how the master and rescaling was done, and colouring, and the camera used (1080p digital, 4k+ digital, or 35mm film, then scanned anywhere from 2k to 4k in most cases).
I rather have normal BlueRays than streaming, tho its WAY to hard to play it on a PC
BloodNoskie | BN You seem to dont understand what I mean. I do not mean power wise, I mean DRM wise.
MakeMKV should solve your DRM issues.
adalaza I know how you do it, but it is way harder than it should be. I was not even talking about having it on the computer.
You should be able to just put the Blue Ray disk in and play it, native in windows. But you cant.
Fabian H. FFS - BluRay - not 'BlueRay'
***** One letter difference, but you know what I mean, so I am not going to correct it.
But I might remember to the next time
How ironic that I'm watching a video about 4K in 144p.
TH-cam just automatically set it on 144p I don't know why.
Internet speed, probably
Juozas Domarkas Yeah, for some reason my internet's been really crappy today.
Some channels a video will only let me choose 1080p while other's can pick 1440p. Even if the video was uploaded in 1440p I still can not choose higher. And I'm watching on a PC at home.
The youtuber chooses the highest resolution m8
Ionut Maris Don't worry it gets better in 9 pm
Streaming is great for things like youtube when you want to watch something random or while multitasking. But for a serious movie experience Blu ray, 3d or 4k is the only way to go. Use quality cinema headphones if you don't have space for speaker setup as this will let you hear the subtle sounds you normally would miss. It's the small things that add the details, it's like seeing a quality photo of a person compared to seeing them in real life.
Your channel is very unique to what many other channel do. Really like the way you dig into things and explain to us viewers. Cheers!
We need 8K HDR with a 14 bit per channel color depth instead of 10 bit.
COMBO 16K video would be great to have, sadly, the companies making the TVs, are being too lazy with the 16K panels. 8K would at least provide at least some decent detail for casual viewing, and allow for us to have at least more than 1 company making cameras in the 16K range (currently only one company, thus they can price gouge to the extreme. 8K will provide a good viewing experience up to about a 40 inch display.
I want 144 fps movies!
i want 512k!... PER EYE at 144fps :) with Dolby Atmos version 4 with 360 degree speakers, above you, on the floor, on your chair! MAXIMUM OVERKILL
MRacer001 144 fps is not even that high of an expectation.
At least make it 60 ffs.
honestly i'm alright with 360p 24fps
No rewinding VHS tapes? I stopped doing that long before DVDs.
LASERDISCS!!
You must be in Japan or China. There wasn't much content in North America and the discs were huge.
subliminalvibes Well I think the point he was making is there isn't enough significant difference in quality or content to make the switch.
What? You DON'T have to rewind DVDs? Damn! I've wasted so many hours!
I miss laserdisks, but I don't miss the LD rot.
Do u even beta max?
Here in the UK in 2019 I can count the number of services that offer streaming of movies with HDR and Dolby Atmos on the fingers of no hands. It's 4K bluray discs for me if I want to get the most out of my equipment.
Mate check out "cinema paradiso" they are a disc rental service that offers 4k discs too. That is best of both worlds imo: the quality but not having to pay a fortune.
Watching a UHD disc on my old plasma made me realize that the source material is usually the limiting factor in picture quality. They look absolutely stunning. The TV doesn't support HDR but it does support 10-bit color which gets rid of the banding and color gradation that you get from ordinary Blu-ray or most streaming content. Watching a 4K video on a 1080 screen also gives you about 95% of the detail you get on a native 4K screen at a typical seating distance - it's like 4x super-sampling.
Does anyone actually buy physical media anymore because I haven't for years
I do....
lol it's because although digital movies are easy and quick, blu rays are just a better experience with a higher bit rate and better color contrast.
PcGamer Sam I still do. Already own like 15 4k blu ray discs. The picture quality of physical media is noticeably better than any streaming service I've used.
+03chrisv Same. I have a blu ray collection with over 130 movies and starting to collect 4k next.
PcGamer Sam Digital media has no value. I can sell my blu rays once i don't need them. Can't do that with a digital download or game
I liked and still like 3D on a TV.
Riding Weeb weab trash
Riding Weeb lg tv's still have passive 3d
only1kolby i mean the one where the tv does the encoding like in the cinema
there are dozens of us, DOZENS!
Yung TedBounty gj on copying some internet joke
Good job on saying ABORTION one second into the video lmao.
Seriously. and my volume was way up too. *facepalm
"HDR Effect" is just for SDR content to try and replicate HDR. For changing settings in the real HDR mode you first need to put on HDR content and THEN adjust.
In other words: The native HDR settings are not avaliable in the meny before actually putting on HDR content. So there is a few flauds in this test..
I don't care for 4k...but HDR is a big deal. I have no 100 inch OLED.
u rich i not
Screen sizes are inching upwards. When you get to 65", at a viewing distance of 3 metres, 4k really makes a difference. Note that 4k TVs will upscale 1080p content to 4k resolution, so you still get some benefit even if it's a 1080p signal. With that said, I 100% agree that HDR is even more important. You only need to look as far as Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 2 ;-)
4K IS mainly about the colors, not resolution lol, the upgrade in resolution isn't that noticable, I mean I see it, but it's not like DVD to 2K, but those colors, and blacks...
Glorious
I got myself an oled 65 inch and it kinda pissed me off. You HAD to watch everything in 4K. Even full hd was just the very bare minimum. I switched to a 55.
Little traveler I'm confused by what you said
I loved the GMM intro
Please do an updated version of this video! :) You (and your team) rock.
Aquaman 4K is ridiculously beautiful. That’s the standard for me...
I wish these reviews came with a disclaimer. You CAN'T actually see the HDR in this video. It's footage recorded from an HDR TV with a non-HDR camera, rendered into a non-HDR video, uploaded to non-HDR youtube, and you're watching it on a (presumably) non-HDR screen.
That said, it leads to a question: Because the HDR footage he showed DID look better on my non-HDR monitor (let's say because the shadows were darker, the scenes didn't have as much of a blue tint etc), doesn't that mean all of those effects could have been achieved in post, by just color-correcting the bluray master? (aside from the actual HDR that we can't even see here).
FWIW I've tried taking photos of my HDR TV displaying a frame from The Man in the High Castle on Amazon Prime in HDR and I could not capture all of the information in the image my TV was displaying in a single photograph. I could photograph the bright areas and the dark areas separately, or take multiple shots with different exposure compensation settings, and different parts of the picture would look correctly exposed.
So while a camera pointed at a TV and viewed on an IPS latpop screen on TH-cam might give you some sense of the difference between SDR and HDR, in real life it's a completely different thing again.
All that said, the specific content you are viewing makes a huge difference. I get the feeling that colorists are still learning how to make the most of HDR and there is some spectacular stuff out there and some very meh stuff.
+Rob Fisher You must have a shitty camera because mine can capture HDR just fine.
oBLACKIECHANoo How do you know? How are you displaying the photo?
+Rob Fisher How am I displaying it? It seems like you don't know anything about cameras what so ever. I shot RAW and used lightroom to bring up/down the exposure, a bit different than using a phone to capture a shitty jpeg.
oBLACKIECHANoo then we're talking about the same thing in different ways. Sure with a DSLR shooting raw you can capture 14 bits of dynamic range and do exposure compensation afterwards. But you can't save that range of brightness to a sRGB JPEG, nor can you display it on a normal monitor. A decent movie camera shooting raw does the same thing, which is why HDR colour grading is possible.
Now, if you can find a way to display a Raw photo on a consumer HDR TV in all its glory (without encoding it into a movie file), I'm all ears. I'd love to be able to do it.
I literally was about to buy a 4K hdr. You sold me that we aren't ready
Ryan Thomas Same. probably better to wait for the price to go down and content to catch up. Similar to VR right now.
My PC monitor is 1440p and I am still satisfied. Once you go 1440p there is no going back. Huge difference between 1080p and 1440p
What does that have to do with this? We're talking about TVs, which tend to cost _way_ more than monitors. Monitors have the obvious benefit of gaming, which you don't see as much with TVs (because of their high latency). And you don't see many 1440p TVs anyway.
Ryan Thomas I usually tend to wait a year or 2 before buying new technology, that way I will get the more refined version at a much cheaper price!
well thats stupid to be a sheep and listen to this fool because its so worth it, but you need to buy an actual 4k player unlike this reviewer who is watching it on a fucking xbox which is a joke
i still buy blue rays (non UHD) as i want a physical copy to put into my bookcase....no online crap can replace that...maybe im getting old....
As far as pricing is concerned, new formats are a little pricey in the beginning! The good thing about 4k discs, is that with your purchase, you get a blu-ray disc with it as well, so if you haven't jumped to 4k yet, you might as well pay for the 4k and use the blu-ray until you get a 4k tv and player, then you already have the disc.
Didn't know I was watching GMM...
You forgot one of the biggest benefits: 4K Blu-Ray disks are *REGION FREE!!!* This is awesome for people into foreign films.
SoCalFreelance Blu Ray is also region free.
Incorrect, HD Blu-Ray is not region free.
SoCalFreelance Blu Ray is Region free I own the Original Spider Man Trilogy on Blu Ray and it says Region ABC.
+Deric James So the one blu-ray you own proves it.
oBLACKIECHANoo Yeah and I also own about 200 Blu Rays and some are region free and others are region locked.
Not a huge upgrade by any means, but is worth spending the extra money if you're shopping to replace a TV that died.
Years ago I sold my vast dvd/bluray collection to a then open music/dvd store "Fye" because of streaming services. I soon learned they only have some movies and very few of what my previous collection had. Years later, I now have restored that collection and added more. I will never get rid of these movies and shows again. Many are so rare you can't find them anywhere to stream or to buy.
@Mike I have Netflix and amazon prime. Netflixs movie selection is a joke, itd be far easier to list the great movies that are actually on there rather than the ones that aren't. AP is better but most movies you still have to rent, sometimes for the same price as a second hand blu Ray, yet you only get it for 48 hours after you start it with inferior audio and visual quality. And some movies just aren't on either:
Amadeus
True Lies
The Abyss
Wild At Heart
Theatrical cut of Apocalypse Now
And that's just famous stuff. If this guy is into cult and arthouse movies the list is a LOOOT longer
@Mike Ik they're on Blu Ray but that's not what OP was saying.
What if Disney brought LTT
Abhinav Pandey u mean LMG
Wait they haven't yet? I'm surprised.
EpicGaming u mean MLG
they would do a half crap video series in which linus only appears at the end of the series and does weird faces, while the rest is dennis and berkel being dumb.
Abhinav Pandey they would do a 1:1 remake of the original LTT to pander to whiny fanboys.
Wow this HDR looks amazing
I have to agree.
You can't see HDR unless you are in real life, a video recording of it won't show you much. LG's Dolby Vision HDR is much better then the other HDR10 variants. HDR10 can't fluctuate based on the scene and won't give as good of black levels when scenes have darker area's that fluctuate.
jlebrech he did not upload on 4k
2019 and I'm still watching. Enjoying them bluray on my One X
Cable boxes still give you tiling and noise and 4k streaming isnt a pure picture either..Blu-ray is still king in 2019
Streaming 1080p and Blu-ray 1080p look identical to me.
DVD is still king because it out sells Blu ray massively.
@@bubba842 I said cable boxes DVD is clean looking up to 1080p
is Linus GMM now?
I am
Haha I was about to post this too
What is GMM?
Good Mythical Morning. A youtube talk show
Came to the comments to make that comparison as soon as I heard him say it.
Without watching the video, my prediction: The 4K is going to depend on what you watch. A lot of digital films were mastered at something like 2k and will *never* be able to produce a 4k film. They might be upscaled, but the disc has more room for bonus content if they don't go the route of full 4k.
HDR I haven't seen a monitor/TV that supports it, so I can't comment on the full colour spectrum it produces.
EDIT: After watching the video: seems about right, though how much of the difference is HDR and how much comes to the producers simply trying to make a better grade is still a bit of an uncertainty to me.
Basicly anything that wasnt natively recorded in 4k is not worth it. I doubt it will be easy for you as a consumer to find out what is true 4k content and what is just mastered nonsense.
As for HDR, basicly literaly any new TV supports HDR. As for monitors, not really but they are already on their way aswell but expect them to be really expensive initially.
There are at least some things that will be easier to tell, but you'll need to do research for it first. That which was mastered from 35mm film will be capable of a "native-ish" 4k (having the practical information of about 3k but the fine grain detail can't be easily recorded unless you go well beyond 4K.)
Rodney/Rosetta ha you beat me to it, I was going to predict Linus saying "it depends..." but I still like his work.
Rosetta Foster 35mm is roughly 6k, 70mm is 12k. So digital still has some catching up to do
I started jumping into bluray in 2007 with my first bluray for Xmas which was pirates 3. Dvd in Xmas 2000. 3d in 2012. VHS in 80s. Digital HD in 2013.
Justin Fencsak you old bro
you jumped in time from '07 back to millenium, forward to 2012 just to go back then to the 80s to finally stop in 2013? xD what a confusing way
This deserves a 2020 revisit considering tech has improved, films have improved etc.
BTW there are still very few PC BD-XL drives that can read 4K bluray not only that but to watch 4K bluray via a PC is still very complicated (ie, Intel picky secure hardware and PowerDVD requiring such secure hardware)
so buy my 4k OLED next xmas. got it.
oldfrend oled tvs have burn-in problems
some_12_year_old That was a nice load of bullshit
They aren't cheap whatsoever, I'll tell you that much.
I have a 2016 LG 1080p OLED TV and watch a lot of sport on it, where for a formula 1 race the network logo will be up for 2+ hours before an ad break and no burn in. We didn't get 4K because from our viewing distance content
thisrocks88 I take it the massive increase of cost also had something to do with not getting the 4K model?
I'd be amazed to see a 128GB movie streamed over US internet Lol
I think netflix is doing great with there 4k hdr for only 15mb/s but ofcourse there will be a lot of detail removed because of it
Pepijn Mommersteeg *their 4K (possessive)
*of course
Hahahahhaha never
You realize the total size of the movie doesn't matter right?
@@ktfjulien that couldn't be further from the truth
Blu-ray capacity:
25 GB (single-layer)
50 GB (dual-layer)
100/200/300 GB (BDXL)
Up to six layers are possible in a standard form BD.
Not just 128 GB and 3 layers😋
@Blob B A standard blu-ray usually use 2 layers so yes...
Linus should come back to this, I've been buying a lot of UHD Blu-Rays during the lock down, and I notice a big difference between disk and streaming, also get a dedicated player for the redo, I suggest the Panasonic UB820 or a UB9000 if your a baller.
Good video and agree with the conclusion..... however, you did choose just about the worst player...
I've looked at the Xbox One S side by side with my Panasonic DMP-UB900 on my LG 950V 65" OLED and the Panasonic blows it out of the water.
The Xbox One S tends to over-saturate the colours compared to a "reference" player like the Panasonic DMP-UB900 and misses out on subtle features such as 4:4:4 chroma upscaling.
Sound is also a bit of a joke from the Xbox where you are limited to PCM output rather taking the disk's bitstream directly to the amp.
The biggest issue with UHD right now is the disks where a great many are poor conversions. I'm sure the ratio of good to bad disks will improve over time as the studios learn how to get the most from the format. You have to remember the dynamic range offered here is even better than you get at the cinema, so this is new ground for the disk graders.
I really do hope that the format takes off, as this is my only option for 4K / UHD - living in a rural area with a maximum of 3 Mb/s internet connectivity, online 4K streaming is not an option! Even if it were, online 4K / UHD is just horrible and standard Blu-Ray blows it out of the water in a side-by-side comparison. This would be a good comparison for you guys to do - show the masses what they are missing with terrible streaming quality!
Kevin Adam you're so right. I was starting to question my purchase of a 4K TV, until I went back and watched my 1080 Blu-ray discs.
4k is worth it.. I love 4k. Quality matters!
Really? How many 4K films have you bought?
@@DarkKnight-gi5vd at least 30.. on top of that I stream stuff in 4k all the time.. u just have to have the right setup. Or have an eye that can appreciate quality
"Amazing Spider-Man 2 was our low point"
Dammit, even just for 4K viewing this movie sucks.
Looool
Shut the fuck up
@@youngdemimonde2344 Amazing Spider man 2 sucks. Deal with it.
Apparently Fan4stic even got a 4k Blu-Ray release...
I shelled out for a proper soundbar to get clearer sound while watching movies. It's wider than my 40" cheapo TV that I bought in 2014 that doesn't even have smart features, and I couldn't be happier. Well, I probably could, but I'd also be significantly poorer.
Also I've not figured out how to calibrate my TV to my unreasonable standards, so I dropped it down to "does it show a picture? Does it seem to display the correct colours? If yes, close enough".
As an owner of an LG E6 OLED Tv, I feel the need to say that UHD and HDR are totally worth the upgrade.
The Revenant on 4K Blu Ray is a revelation, and looks far superior to the standard Blu Ray at any setting. The same is true for many other films in my collection, such as Kingsman and Mad Max: Fury Road.
TH-cam can't accurately show the benefits of HDR.
Also, Linus's constant fiddling with the BD version to get a not-great equivalent picture, especially with Revenant, is just damn stupid, and turned this whole video into a waste of time.
I feel that way about GOTG 2
Funny you say that; TH-cam has HDR upload support, as long as you have a capable screen. It's just that ltt doesn't upload in HDR.
Revenant is mind blowing on the 2017 OLEDs in 4K HDR via iTunes or disc!
I found that benefits of even standart Blue Ray media are higly dependent on what movies you own and wanna watch. I usually don't watch anything filmed after 1989-1991 (there are exceptions but I just cannot stand how Hollywood after awesome 1970s and 1980s changed direction), and I found out that old movies are prone to artifacting even on my stupidly expensive, high-end plasma TV. It is sometimes annoying (especially on black-and-white movies) and always noticeable, just because those films were filmed on film stock with bigger grain, so without hefty processing of original fotage and loss in image quality, there is no way to remove it, and with bigger resolution, these imperfections are even more noticeable. I like Blue Ray movies because they are in correct aspect ratio, unlike of most DVDs, many times movies are remastered, in director's cut versions and with many bonuses, like in Laserdisc days, but streaming and services like Netflix are doing theyr job of killing physical media pretty well, so I find even Blue Ray library limited, let alone UHD Blue ray library, which consist mainly from big hits of last couple of years in which I have almost zero interest. Plus, I am using PS3 as my Blue Ray player, and that thing cannot read UHD Blue Ray.
That Wii tho
You got problem with that? ;)
spavatch yes yes I do
480i boiz
The human eye can’t see beyond 480i
Anything beyond a Wii is pointless
@@thedutchgulcher4750 With component cables, it outputs 480p.
It also depends on whether your esoteric movies will ever be released on 4k, even foregoing disc and being stream-only. I'm surprised some of my faves even made it to blu-ray (Rock & Rule, Heavy Metal, Watership Down).
If I remember correctly, the reason for the color difference between the two versions of The Revenant is that the standard version is in Rec708, which assumes a warmer display, meaning a cooler video, and the HDR version is in DCI-P3.
i don't think 4k will make spiderman 2 any better
I'd rather have increased frame rates where possible rather than 4k.
And for HDR, you are gonna need a really decent OLED TV for that, I know when I went from CRT to LCD the colour depth was a huge downgrade especially when watching films that have dark scenes, the contrast was between light and dark was just missing entirely.
I think HDR for the most part where films are considered is a bit of a gimmick, what matters is the display itself, sure more colour depth is always good but only if the TV is good enough to display it.
Are you talking about higher framerates in movies?
Well, when the programs come out, you can burn your own UHD Blu-rays in 3840x2160 at 60Hz.
Page 40 If you're curious.
www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Downloadablefile/BD-ROM_Part3_V3.1_WhitePaper_160729_clean.pdf
Dragon Slayer Ornstein we pc players got and framerates and 1080p :3
Higher framerates on movies lead to a Soap Opera effect. It makes movement look dumb.
Personally, I think OLEDs look too over-saturated and unrealistic.
Unfortunately this review is DEEPLY FLAWED: XBox One S blu ray player outputs color INCORRECTLY to display. Watch any review on Xbox One S as a blu ray player. Also, the console has no Dolby Vision support - the dominant HDR format in films. This analysis needs to be redone!
To be quite honest I thought that the standard blue ray format looked much better in the majority of these side by comparisons but that's while viewing from my cellphone but I do have the Sony bdpS6700 4k upscaling player on my Sony Bravia 60in 4k HDR TV with a bose surround system and it is absolutely amazing to say the least! I often compare standard bluray disks on my bedroom LG Blu-ray player to this setup in my livingroom and WOW what a difference!!!
Your new thumbnails continue to be eye-catching. Personally I've caught 3 times as many videos from you lately because of these thumbnails. Nice work! You should take this strategy to your other channels, too!
Linus.. Do an update on this including the benefits of Dolby ATMOS..
Random note: One of the best (clearly there are other reasons I watch) things about your videos is that: when I'm casting to my TV, the colouring ALWAYS reminds me to te-adjust my TV set colour settings if they have for some reason defaulted back or been changed to something else, in particular the incorrect, vibrant factory defaults. I often find the factory settings are best viewing for regular broadcast TV here in Australia and the settings best for movies are also best for your videos. Makes sense I guess given most of the viewers of your videos probably optimise their TVs settings. Haha (Either that or your skin is ACTUALLY this weird two tone orange/brown, but I'm pretty sure you're as white as I am lol)
As someone who has a 4k LG TV I use it on Cinema mode for regular blurays. Then when it switches to HDR mode w/ a 4K disc or particular games I use Standard since it is basically the "Cinema" mode
I've chosen to "wait" for the new Holodeck ( like in Star Trek: The next generation) to come in the near future
Lol. W45 is actually neutral colour tempareture, not 0. It's what closest to a 6500K colour temperature. Also, gamma should be 2.4 or BT.1886 in a dark room.
I'm pretty sure the max speakers is 7.1.4 for the xbox one Atmos setup, which is actually pretty good considering the xbox one is quite new to object based surround period. But if anyone can shed more light to my knowledge of the xbox one s/x please feel free to reply. I wonder if the xbox one x will get HDMI E-ARC support as an update.
One problem, not everyone wants to fiddle with settings just to get an HDR experience. You have to factor in that an HDR tv with HDR blu ray automativally produces the better colors. While you can simulate it with blue ray, you'll gave to re do any corrections every time the white balance or color grading changes
They need to bring back THX Certified for these Blu-rays...so they can monitor the quality of these discs!!
Its 2019 now. ... time revisit
Would be interested to see this video get an update now that we are in 2023 and OLED’s are also more affordable (still expensive but not like even 3-4 years ago)
Good video Linus.Ive been watching your channel for a long time now.And learned a great deal.Im currently working on getting my pc to work again it broke.I need a z170 motherboard to fix it.Mabey you could do a video on rebuilding a z170.6700k with a gtx 1080 throw back.
Could you do a follow up? Its been a year whats changed since 4k has become more mainstream?
Proof that Amazing Spider-Man 2 was disappointing on every single level
Sec Pendragon the 4K looks good mostly for the Times square scene it's really beautiful and eye candy for the Amazing Spider Man 2.
LMAO
Sec Pendragon was looking for this comment
I love Zimmer's score.
Ryan F You do cause you commented.
2:29 spelling error it is supposed to be The Revenant
You can find different bluray recording for the same movie that have different mastering quality. The same may be for 4k HDR. So you have to take into account the quality of the mastering to have a fair comparison.
#LinusAlmostOnTimeTips
DanielRichards644 how did you view this earlier than upload
WIZARD
maby they put it to private but didnt lock it so if someone looked through the links they can veiw it
#LinusShitYouWontNeedTips
lololol
3D bluray works quite nicely in VR. Maybe that should get a revisit?
Me and my Bamp (my dad's dad) recently bought a Samsung 4k HDR Blu-ray player for £95 and Planet Earth II For £15 and it's an amazing 4k disc, there's 4 discs in the day and for the price it looks incredible the colours pop and are so vibrant it looks like a painting on the wall, thats my first experience with this format and k think it's amazing!!!
you should try HTPC with Potplayer 4k plus madvr upscaling 1080p and enhancing 4k plus running at 60fps and then you can go in enhance colours etc edge enhancements plus a ton more.
yes takes a bit to set up and get it where you want but you can get HDR like images on everything plus so much more.
i fell like i am getting conned into buying the same movies over and over again every generation
vhs
dvd
blue ray
4k
8k
16k ???
32k>????
....
Unless you're watching on a state of the art TV which exposes flaws in any image, DVD will still work just fine.
Double all those figures because of Hollywood rebooting EVERYTHING.
Big difference between DVD, and Blu-ray, not as big of a difference between 2K, and 4K, but I still like my 4K
Capitalism
I also like 3D, but nobody forces anyone to upgrade, although if a person still watches VHS I question their eyesight, I've upgraded many DVDs to Blu-ray, but 40% of my movies/TV are still DVDs, for some movies DVD is fine like comedians, I rarely upgrade from Blu-ray to 4K, in fact Blade Runner, the MIB trilogy (couldn't pass up all three in a steelbook case, lol), and the first Matrix are the only movies I can think of actually, now DVD to 4K I've done a few times, but most of my 4Ks are relatively new releases, the difference between 2K, and 4K isn't really about resolution its negligible, its about color, just like colors on blu-rays are far far better than DVD, but like I said 2K to 4K isn't a big jump, not like DVD to Blu-ray (and a big jump in resolution) I think and hope they will stop at 4K, the human eye can only see so much, and I think 4K is pretty much the limit
My dad had bought a 4k movie player because our rental store had 4k movies and we haven’t used it since the rental store shut down.
Great video thanks I’m just going to buy the Sony BDPS6700 for upscaling my blu-Ray 3D & regular 2D blu-Ray discs as it brings to near 4K quality on my 55” LG tv in my lounge. So for the bedroom as I got the new 55” LG 9000 with the nano cell technology & looks really brilliant picture so I’m buying from amazon.uk the same player for £99 thanks peace
definitely..I work at best buy and it blows my mind the rate people but 720p screens when for $50 you can get a tcl 4 series which has incredible picture