My new video detailing the 7800X3D, 7900X3D, and 7950X3D is here! Includes release date, expectations, pricing info, etc.! th-cam.com/video/2UTF9Pl41io/w-d-xo.html
I upgraded from a 5600X to a 5800X3D a couple months ago, and the performance gap is stuupid huuuge. In the first days, I noticed when others had massive lag spikes, standing frozen in front of me, while for me it was just a short spike. This is more noticeable in clubs
@@julian-vanilla8379 Not really, and 6 months ago, VR didn't introduce the all recent lag spikes for quest users that make the game literally unplayable for long periods of time
Ah good you got a CPU video now! The 13900k and 5800x3D are nearly neck and neck in terms of performance from what i can tell. The 5800x3D might be slightly ahead a bit though. I got a 13900k and a friend of mine has a 5800x3D and it seems we usually end up with around the same frame rate. We haven't done any real performance benchmarks though. We both got the same GPU too (3090ti) and the CPU is still the bottleneck in both cases but from what I can tell performance usually caps out around 60-70 in say a full black cat instance, and only hits the frame cap in small optimized worlds with few people. I have another friend with a regular 5800X and it seems to be only slightly behind the X3D variant. (Though he also has a much weaker GPU). I still chose the 13900k because its still ahead in many single threaded tasks and absolute dominates in multi-threaded for the occasional time i need it. But for VRChat and Most games the 5800x3D is still the absolute best price/performance.
As a person with a ryzen 9 5950x and a rtx 3070 ti I wouldnt call it a VRC banger now, either the unoptimization of the maps sucks balls or the people avatars just undermine the performance, it still gets job done quite well that you are not constantly compelled to turn off other peoples avatars for the sake of performance as long as the CPU and GPU are within safer parameters with good heat solutions and airflow you will be fine, but you will still suffer FPS spikes.
@@cid_vrc DDR4/DDR5 (like how many GB and why that many GB... does MHz matter? how? does latency matter? how? use all my 4 slots, or just 2 of the slots?)
6:28 Most seem to think 7000 series 3D V-Cache models will be launched in 2023 CES. So in early January. Probably takes 2 to 3 months from launch before available, but still probably much sooner than you are predicting.
@@cid_vrc Thanks, they are my favourite avatar. I love using them with Full Body Tracking. I upgraded to a Valve Index, a Cable Pulley System and 3 Vive Tracker 3.0s, 10 days ago, from a Quest 2 PCVR experience. It's been so much fun hanging out and doing cool tricks with my friends, and also meeting new people, for hours on end until my controllers and trackers almost die (sometimes I pop them on charge while sitting around and watching videos with friends until I've got another few hours that I can keep using them again). I've already put on nearly another 100 hours on VRChat since then on top of the nearly 400 hours I got since the start of October according to Steam. (Yep, I literally may as well be living in VRChat, lol. It's my favourite game of all time and I think it'll probably be my first 10k+ hours game.) The avatar is 140mb and has 1.6 million polygons with the massive amount of things it can do with the expressions menu but because of this it drops my performance to 45~ FPS in an average performance world on my own. (It's interesting as I get only 5ish fps lower in the same world but with 10-15 other players.) Whereas with other 20mb and 90k polygon avatars, it'll go from 80-90 FPS in that same world on my own to 50 FPS in the same world with 10-15 other players. Currently got an RTX 3070, Ryzen 5 5600x and 16gb of DDR4 2666MHz Ram and running VRChat with my Valve Index at 300% SteamVR resolution as opposed to the default 150%. I'm hoping the 5800X3D will help a lot. Seeing you say all this makes me confident that it will. Thank you. I've also seen your GPU video and I'm planning on buying an RTX 3090 early next year, once I've got some more money from working and selling my old parts, for the extra VRAM of 24GB over the 8GB that always is maxed out on VRChat according to MSI Afterburner (unless I'm alone where it will be around 6-7 GB). Hopefully that should help massively as well. There is literally nothing else online that goes into anywhere as much detail as you do for what CPU and GPU to use for VRChat so thank you very much for all your help. 👍
@@cid_vrc By the way, I also subscribed; I like your content and have watched all your videos so far. :) I'm trying to learn Japanese myself since I turned 18 years old over 1 year ago. I've found your videos are helpful in that regard as well! ありがとうございます。
LMAO a 1.6 million polygon Rusk. That's insane, no wonder you only get 45 FPS alone XD And it's also funny that you started in October and you're already hundreds of hours in with a pulley system. I started in April I think, and I definitely went straight into upgrading my setup as fast as possible. I guess we're traveling on the same path! If you want to help grow the channel a bit, then I'd be honored if you showed my vids to friends who you think it could help. Not spamming it, just showing to people looking for tech/VRChat advice.
@@cid_vrc Thanks for the pinned and hearted comment. ❤ And yes, this avatar is insane but I love it. I probably have nearly 200 of my hours just on this avatar (and probably 100+ head pats by now :3). Ah I see you started this year as well. Nice. And indeed, we both appear to be going down the same path in upgrading our setups as quick as possible and playing a lot of VRChat. With me essentially playing enough time to be living a 2nd life in VRChat and that I have all my friends there, I thought I may as well make it as good as I can get it. 😉 Also, I have already shared your videos to a few of my friends who I play VRChat with and have on Discord to tell them I'm upgrading my system once again and that these videos helped. Hopefully if any of them need any help then this should help them. I'll also be sure to link them to these videos if anyone asks for advice on what to get to have a great experience on VRChat. :) (And don't worry, I won't spam it!) To be specific, I first tried VRChat back on the 3rd of June and I only played a few times a month with the 1 friend I asked to show me VRChat that I saw him playing here and there. (I never really understood why he played VRChat probably due to struggling to make friends in real life which VRChat definitely helped me with.) (Since I got my Quest 2, as my first VR HMD, and Link Cable in September 2020 for my 17th Birthday, I had only used it to play Beat Saber through Steam on PC.) He played with me whenever he was able to - which sadly wasn't very frequent. It wasn't until the 30th of September (only about 20-30 hours on VRChat by then), when I got tired of playing so little, that I tried to play on my own and then made a friend through VRChat. I never expected anyone to join as the world was completely abandoned. It was amazing. I did the same the next day as well with someone else on the Japanese Shrine world. From there, I met their friend groups and became friends with those people as well.I started playing daily for many hours (from 3 to as much as 20 until I fell asleep in VRChat, on my bed, in 1 mad run 🤣). We all discovered new worlds and avatars together. We met many people various countries who all could speak different languages and had their own stories. I made more friends and have quite a few close friends who I would've never met otherwise and I spend hours everyday hanging out with at least a few of them. It's great. Over that time, I also discovered I love being able to be who I want and look how I want to in VRChat as well as loving to be immersed as much as possible. I've also captured 3100+ photos all in 4K since the 30th September 2022 (all in 4k which has taken up 18GB taken up so far. Oof.) I've also found that 10+ hours can easily go by in what feels like 5 minutes. (If only that were the same with working a job. 😆) There is so much I look forward to being able to experience with what VRChat and VR, in general, have to offer right now and in the future alongside the friends I have and will make. Thanks for reading. I hope you enjoyed my story. Keep up the good work with your channel and I will look forward to your new videos as well. :)
I now have a 5800X3D paired with a 3090 strix I scored for a nice price. I should probably do more than raving because raves on ultra, AA x2, and with 20+ verypoors along with everyone else will still have me around 40fps. tho if it's just me wandering around my Q2 stays pegged at 120. but what have noticed in busy worlds, frametime is much more stable compared to my 5700X. def smooths out the experience.
The 7000 X3D variants are suspected to launch in Jan. of 2023. Seems it'd be worth the wait for someone like me who's already willfully waited 6 months for RDNA 3 to release-even if I did ultimately end up going for a 3090ti. Do you think this is a good decision? Thanks! (Building a PC)
Theres another problem with 7xxxX3D the ihs is horrible and increases temps by 10-20C and the reason the 5800X3D isnt OCabke cuz of the temps apparently this problem should be solved but again solving that problem will either mean and will only release low tdp X3D chips and or wait to solve this problem
A lot of people have brought up the 7950x lol. I didn't include it because I figured that the 7900x had enough threads for everyone's blender/premiere/overlay needs. Guess I was wrong?
Thanks for this. Ive been playing vrc on my i7 7700 (non k) since 2017, and lately ive really been feeling the CPU bottleneck. Was searching around for different CPU and Mobo upgrades, but really felt lost on what was good for vrchat within my budget. Just ordered the 5800x3d since its within my budget, and excited to see the improvements from my old system
You can sometimes even use the 5800X3D on a B350 chipset if your motherboard has a bios update available. My MSI B350 Tomahawk has a 'beta' bios that is now running my 5800X3D just fine. Insane levels of compatibility.
Is there any testing of Windows 10 vs 11 for VRChat? I know Tupper has stated that "windows 11 is better because it has a better CPU scheduler", but I haven't see a whole lot of A to B comparisons where someone installs VRChat on windows 10, checks render time, then does the same thing with 11 and checks under the same circumstances. There's numerous examples of the X3D definitively proving itself, but not as much for 10 vs 11.
It seems hard to test, but I'm staying on windows 10 for now. I use a lot of tools for vrchat and model making and they're all tested for windows 10. Though to be fair windows 11 just seems like windows 10 with a ui update and more telemetry. Maybe it just behaves like windows 10.1
Yeah sadly I got the 5900X well before the X3D came out. I have considered selling my 5900X used and then buying a 5800X3D. But for now it's still good. Tho those CPU frametimes on X3D is amazing.
I'm surprised to see such a massive tier difference between 5800X3D vs 5900X They're the same price for me atm so I'm super on the fence about which one to get. Advice? I do a lot of blender, unity, multi-tasking etc so I was leaning towards the 5900X
Really tough call if you're a creator. The 5900X is going to do so much better in multi-core programs and still have a good time in vrchat. The 5800X3D will do much better in vrchat however. I made a similar choice this year. Eventually I decided on the 5800X3D and just became a little more patient when working with large files. Lol. If this was helpful to you, consider buying from my link: amzn.to/3TTNXDr (DISCLAIMER: As an Amazon Associate I earn commissions from qualifying purchases made from my links.)
@@cid_vrc hmm, i definitely prefer the 5900x for creation, I was just a bit worried that the 5800x3d might perform way better for vrc. I'll probably stick with the 5900x though. Thanks!
Can I use the x3D for every day gaming other than VR? Looking for a decent CPU/GPU. Thanks. 🙏 Do you have a graphics card recommendation too considering going back to AMD. Want to max stuff out. But on a graphics card budget and want 4k too. Thanks. :) This video is good for research too. Considering the x3D. Those high worlds are too high. Literally. XD. Want my Skyrim VR back. Lol. :)
Since this is -only- about FPS, i whole heartedly agree with everything. I am buying a new system and opted to go for the AM5 chip and the 7700x, i got a good deal and upgrading from an i5 9600k. When the 7700XD3 comes ill have to simply see if the performance upgrade will be worth it.
I notice this wasn't on the list but the 7950X is great for VRC. Using it rn and love it. Yeah it's overkill but if you have allot of background programs running like overlays, Soundpad ect. All those extra cores do a great job of keeping the frame rate consistent and everything feeling snapy.
ryzen 9 7950x/ryzen 9 7950x3d [either or] (w/ icue h150i elite lcd display) asus x670e rog crosshair hero 128gb ddr5 ram @ 7200MHz+ 4tb+ samsung pro 980 3090/3090ti/4090 (water cooled ofc) 1600w evga supernova p plus 80+ platinum psu corsair 5000t airflow case/hyte y60/any case with godly airflow (and the hyte y60 can fit 2 rads as it can hold one triple and one double) you're welcome.
The largest down side of 5800x3d is locked manual vcore & freq, problem being is that any type of frequency scaling algo on the cpu will always leave you with choppier frames and annoying slow downs when switching applications or even cpu being idle for let's say 5-10 seconds. And I would argue these freq scaling performance jumps are annoyin as hell.
I have a 4080 and a i9 13900k and its insane how smooth the 13900k is. From my experience the 13900k is a all around cpu for vrchat but as cid said the 5800x3d is better but i do video editing so i needed the 13900k. If your on a budget please go with the 5800x3d but if you dont care about money and just want performance go with the 13900k!!.
I was looking for a good pc for mi wife that makes a good performance on VR Chat. I had many options in my head, but this information just got me right. Thanks a lot for this
Hey, im super unfamiliar with pc requirements, but I was wondering would it make any sense for me to get a 5800x3d, if as a gpu I only got a 3060? I know that it's a huge bottleneck everywhere else, but if we're talking exclusively vrchat (Rn I'm running with a 3600) Update: oh my lord, its amazing! I pretty much doubled my framerate from around 30 fps to a very smooth 70 fps (i'm aware that some might say that's still low, but for someone who grew up with toaster computers, this is very nice) of course graphically it looks pretty much the same, but it just makes it so much easier on the eyes. I just feel better when playing, and its made my vr experience way nicer. So if anyone is on the same boat as I was, I can HIGHLY recommend upgrading your cpu!
Thank you for this video, it helped me double down on the decision to upgrade from 5600x. Now the question is, should I get 2 more 8GB sticks to get 32GB RAM or should I be good with just 16? (3600mhz cl16)
Bear in mind desktop class CPUs only have two "Dual" channels. Despite virtually all MOBOs having 4 slots, running 4 sticks is somewhat a bodge and can hinder getting the maximum possible performance out of the RAM you have. Even moreso if the RAM you add doesn't match your existing RAM. Yes, more RAM is nice but once you've got 16GB, I'd say speed and latency are more important than capacity.
when playing high player worlds in vr chat you can be using over 16GB (including background stuff) i think my record was either like 20GB or something around their
Need help. I'm thinking of buying a 3060 12gb and need a new CPU also. All mainly for VRchat since I don't care for games much. So. A 5800x or 5800x3d seem to be awesome but the prices are at like 40% difference. Should I really go for the 96mb cache or there is no use in that because that 3060/12 will be bottlenecking anyways?
Depends on the worlds and settings. Do you like big parties and game worlds? You might bottleneck. If you just chill in smaller instances 12gb is not so bad.
hey so just watched ur cpu video i got the 7900x for vrc but learnt about the 5800x3d but the 7900x sill stuggles on my a320 mobo so i was wondering if the 5800x3d would fair better
I'm in a similar situation to you! Unfortunately, what you have to do is muck around with settings in vrchat (turn off avatars far away from you, turn off all very poor avis AT LEAST, and turn off looking at more than a few avis) If you have the quest, you can also mess with the oculus debug settings and the sidequest settings on the PC If you don't have a quest, I'm not sure how you can optimize your headset settings for your exact device Good luck!
Aw mannn.... I should have found this video before i brought my new CPU. I use to used Ryzen 5 3600x and i upgrade to ryzen 9 3950X Man i should have buy 5800X3D
Hi there I've got a question so I'm trying to upgrade and I'm trying to choose between a CPU and a GPU my choices are the 3060 12 GB for the ryzen 7 5800 x 3D
Depends on the price difference, but the 5700x is much better. 5800x3D is only a couple hundred dollars though, that's the one you really want for serious VRchat gaming. Also good for random old games/unity games.
Idk if i should upgrade my cpu individually. My system atm uses a 2700x and gtx 1080 and idk if i should spend a bit for a cpu upgrade or wait till I have enough for a new build.
Seeing as how Tarkov and VR chat are among my favorite games I'm so glad I got this CPU lol. I have had this motherboard since 17' with a bios update it should run pretty well
i planned on building a new pc in about 8months and i wanted to ask if there is gonna be coming out something like the 5800X3D sometime soon? cause it's black friday at the moment things are pretty cheap but i wont be able to use the cpu right now cause i'm currently using a intel pc and i don't have enough money right now to buy a new motherboard and new ram aswell
@@FiveStarBr thank you for your input but as it turns out life can be really weird and i will be forced into buying a laptop as i will have to move between two different places very frequently for the next two years :( i guess it's gonna be just plebian quest3 half body times for me from now on
i got the 7700 non x cuz the 5800x3d was a bit cheaper all in but i went am5 for the upgradability. i had a 10400f so i needed a new mobo anyway the price of ddr5 did hurt tho
Well damn....im building a pc for the first time and i got the 6700xt and the 12700k.....i was hoping they would be decent for vrchat...shame they got put in trash tier. I couldnt find a single video on youtube of someone playing vrchat with a 6700xt
Just because it uses the same socket doesn't mean it will work with your motherboard. Always check the manufacturers site to see what CPU models are supported.
i think its user error for the 5600X, mine works fine, also i think you're a bit out of touch with the working class perhaps, as the 5600X is $249aud whereas the 5800X3D is $520, 5600X destroys the 5800X3D in price to performance
I'm also from Australia. I upgraded from my 5600X. Absolutely blown away! Not only has the FPS improved in clubs with alot of players but the stutter and pausing is non existent. I would def buy it!! I got mine from Centrecom. 519 AUD.
The fact that you need top tier components to compensate for how shitty vrchat runs doesnt really make em good value lol when most of these lower end chips will still run everything else with 0 performance issues.
Gaming CPUs ranked right: 13700K S, 7700X S, 7600X S, 5800X3D B - Bec old any 7000 Series are Faster. Working CPUS any 7900 or 13900K all D Tier its only good for work ok bye.
Im getting a 3090 but i really just don't know what cpu to go for, at first i was thinking about getting the i7 12700k but clearly thats bad for vrchat. any recommendations for someone with a tight budget when it comes to the cpu and motherboard since i wanna use my ddr4 ram?
C-D tier IMO since it's so expensive. It'll be good if you can utilize all of those threads, but even the 7900X is overkill for users who don't do creation/work on their computer.
I was wondering where it was on the list too since I have it and it runs VRC like a dream. I also use allot of background programs while in VR like Soundpad so the extra cores and horsepower come in handy.
Do you need all of those cores and threads? Even 7900x is overkill for most people, but if you want the best of the best that AMD has to offer 7950x is gonna be good. 64MB L3 cache is always nice too. 😃
This is a normie video with recommendations like the GPU video. Good for the people that follow that. Not really great for the EXTREME VRChat players XD
The tier list is based on their pref, not based on research(or very little), there's tons of factors that come into consideration when upgrading, l3 is great but fast ram and other factors can match/beat that too. It's FOMO hype mainly + content to put out. For actual information check out actual reviewers that take time to generate the data/understanding of how things work and why so u come out informed vs "this is great , buy it" clickbait is all to common these days, some for the wrong reasons, others just cuz over hype.
just bougt a pc with the 5800x3d, rtx 3080 (10gb) with 32gb ram you think it will work nicely in vrc? (yes ik the new x3d just came out but my country has stock problems with it and i wanted to get back in vr asap after 8 months)
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My new video detailing the 7800X3D, 7900X3D, and 7950X3D is here! Includes release date, expectations, pricing info, etc.!
th-cam.com/video/2UTF9Pl41io/w-d-xo.html
I upgraded from a 5600X to a 5800X3D a couple months ago, and the performance gap is stuupid huuuge. In the first days, I noticed when others had massive lag spikes, standing frozen in front of me, while for me it was just a short spike. This is more noticeable in clubs
Lol I know that feel. I can just look over a party from side to side and feel minimal lag now that I upgraded. Before I used to lag like hell.
I'm honestly toying with upgrading from my 2700X because this is kinda the best upgrade before I abandon AM4
@Remin534 those were mostly quest users not pc
@@julian-vanilla8379 Not really, and 6 months ago, VR didn't introduce the all recent lag spikes for quest users that make the game literally unplayable for long periods of time
Buying The craziest Pc for Vrchat when I become a engineer. Saving this video for the future.
Watch it tomorrow while you eat so you can be prepared!
Ah good you got a CPU video now! The 13900k and 5800x3D are nearly neck and neck in terms of performance from what i can tell. The 5800x3D might be slightly ahead a bit though. I got a 13900k and a friend of mine has a 5800x3D and it seems we usually end up with around the same frame rate. We haven't done any real performance benchmarks though. We both got the same GPU too (3090ti) and the CPU is still the bottleneck in both cases but from what I can tell performance usually caps out around 60-70 in say a full black cat instance, and only hits the frame cap in small optimized worlds with few people. I have another friend with a regular 5800X and it seems to be only slightly behind the X3D variant. (Though he also has a much weaker GPU). I still chose the 13900k because its still ahead in many single threaded tasks and absolute dominates in multi-threaded for the occasional time i need it. But for VRChat and Most games the 5800x3D is still the absolute best price/performance.
As a person with a ryzen 9 5950x and a rtx 3070 ti I wouldnt call it a VRC banger now, either the unoptimization of the maps sucks balls or the people avatars just undermine the performance, it still gets job done quite well that you are not constantly compelled to turn off other peoples avatars for the sake of performance as long as the CPU and GPU are within safer parameters with good heat solutions and airflow you will be fine, but you will still suffer FPS spikes.
The 5800x3d is insane for how cheap it is. I spent a little under $400 on Amazon lol.
I upgraded a couple months ago for over $500 lol. Worth it though.
you sold me! just ordered my 3D, will be very nice to not get motion sick in every event after an hour, thanks.
Hope you enjoy it! XD
I absolutely need more of these type of videos
What comes next after CPU and GPU? 🤔
@@cid_vrc DDR4/DDR5 (like how many GB and why that many GB... does MHz matter? how? does latency matter? how? use all my 4 slots, or just 2 of the slots?)
6:28 Most seem to think 7000 series 3D V-Cache models will be launched in 2023 CES. So in early January. Probably takes 2 to 3 months from launch before available, but still probably much sooner than you are predicting.
Guess we'll have to wait and see! And maybe I'll upgrade then lol.
@@cid_vrc Yeah, impossible to know for sure based on leaks alone. I'm thinking to build around 7800X3D, so hoping it will launch asap.
Oh nice, been waiting for this. tyvm
Hope you like it!
@@cid_vrc loved it, I've decided on 7600x along with 4800mhz cuz I'm cheap.
Epic. I'm hyped to be getting my 5800X3D later this week in the post. I'm upgrading my system from a Ryzen 5 5600x. :D
That's poggers! Nice rusk btw
@@cid_vrc Thanks, they are my favourite avatar. I love using them with Full Body Tracking.
I upgraded to a Valve Index, a Cable Pulley System and 3 Vive Tracker 3.0s, 10 days ago, from a Quest 2 PCVR experience. It's been so much fun hanging out and doing cool tricks with my friends, and also meeting new people, for hours on end until my controllers and trackers almost die (sometimes I pop them on charge while sitting around and watching videos with friends until I've got another few hours that I can keep using them again). I've already put on nearly another 100 hours on VRChat since then on top of the nearly 400 hours I got since the start of October according to Steam.
(Yep, I literally may as well be living in VRChat, lol. It's my favourite game of all time and I think it'll probably be my first 10k+ hours game.)
The avatar is 140mb and has 1.6 million polygons with the massive amount of things it can do with the expressions menu but because of this it drops my performance to 45~ FPS in an average performance world on my own. (It's interesting as I get only 5ish fps lower in the same world but with 10-15 other players.)
Whereas with other 20mb and 90k polygon avatars, it'll go from 80-90 FPS in that same world on my own to 50 FPS in the same world with 10-15 other players.
Currently got an RTX 3070, Ryzen 5 5600x and 16gb of DDR4 2666MHz Ram and running VRChat with my Valve Index at 300% SteamVR resolution as opposed to the default 150%.
I'm hoping the 5800X3D will help a lot. Seeing you say all this makes me confident that it will. Thank you.
I've also seen your GPU video and I'm planning on buying an RTX 3090 early next year, once I've got some more money from working and selling my old parts, for the extra VRAM of 24GB over the 8GB that always is maxed out on VRChat according to MSI Afterburner (unless I'm alone where it will be around 6-7 GB). Hopefully that should help massively as well.
There is literally nothing else online that goes into anywhere as much detail as you do for what CPU and GPU to use for VRChat so thank you very much for all your help. 👍
@@cid_vrc By the way, I also subscribed; I like your content and have watched all your videos so far. :)
I'm trying to learn Japanese myself since I turned 18 years old over 1 year ago. I've found your videos are helpful in that regard as well! ありがとうございます。
LMAO a 1.6 million polygon Rusk. That's insane, no wonder you only get 45 FPS alone XD
And it's also funny that you started in October and you're already hundreds of hours in with a pulley system. I started in April I think, and I definitely went straight into upgrading my setup as fast as possible. I guess we're traveling on the same path!
If you want to help grow the channel a bit, then I'd be honored if you showed my vids to friends who you think it could help. Not spamming it, just showing to people looking for tech/VRChat advice.
@@cid_vrc Thanks for the pinned and hearted comment. ❤
And yes, this avatar is insane but I love it. I probably have nearly 200 of my hours just on this avatar (and probably 100+ head pats by now :3).
Ah I see you started this year as well. Nice. And indeed, we both appear to be going down the same path in upgrading our setups as quick as possible and playing a lot of VRChat. With me essentially playing enough time to be living a 2nd life in VRChat and that I have all my friends there, I thought I may as well make it as good as I can get it. 😉
Also, I have already shared your videos to a few of my friends who I play VRChat with and have on Discord to tell them I'm upgrading my system once again and that these videos helped. Hopefully if any of them need any help then this should help them. I'll also be sure to link them to these videos if anyone asks for advice on what to get to have a great experience on VRChat. :) (And don't worry, I won't spam it!)
To be specific, I first tried VRChat back on the 3rd of June and I only played a few times a month with the 1 friend I asked to show me VRChat that I saw him playing here and there. (I never really understood why he played VRChat probably due to struggling to make friends in real life which VRChat definitely helped me with.) (Since I got my Quest 2, as my first VR HMD, and Link Cable in September 2020 for my 17th Birthday, I had only used it to play Beat Saber through Steam on PC.) He played with me whenever he was able to - which sadly wasn't very frequent.
It wasn't until the 30th of September (only about 20-30 hours on VRChat by then), when I got tired of playing so little, that I tried to play on my own and then made a friend through VRChat. I never expected anyone to join as the world was completely abandoned. It was amazing. I did the same the next day as well with someone else on the Japanese Shrine world. From there, I met their friend groups and became friends with those people as well.I started playing daily for many hours (from 3 to as much as 20 until I fell asleep in VRChat, on my bed, in 1 mad run 🤣). We all discovered new worlds and avatars together. We met many people various countries who all could speak different languages and had their own stories. I made more friends and have quite a few close friends who I would've never met otherwise and I spend hours everyday hanging out with at least a few of them. It's great.
Over that time, I also discovered I love being able to be who I want and look how I want to in VRChat as well as loving to be immersed as much as possible.
I've also captured 3100+ photos all in 4K since the 30th September 2022 (all in 4k which has taken up 18GB taken up so far. Oof.)
I've also found that 10+ hours can easily go by in what feels like 5 minutes. (If only that were the same with working a job. 😆)
There is so much I look forward to being able to experience with what VRChat and VR, in general, have to offer right now and in the future alongside the friends I have and will make.
Thanks for reading. I hope you enjoyed my story.
Keep up the good work with your channel and I will look forward to your new videos as well. :)
the 5600 non x and 12400f are fantasitic cpus for sub 200 if you go for the 12400f you could upgrade to 13th gen as well
I now have a 5800X3D paired with a 3090 strix I scored for a nice price. I should probably do more than raving because raves on ultra, AA x2, and with 20+ verypoors along with everyone else will still have me around 40fps. tho if it's just me wandering around my Q2 stays pegged at 120. but what have noticed in busy worlds, frametime is much more stable compared to my 5700X. def smooths out the experience.
Non vrchat people are here bc there's no good or recent component reviews for VR on TH-cam. So thanks for helping us out too
No problem! I'll do an update later in the year.
The 7000 X3D variants are suspected to launch in Jan. of 2023. Seems it'd be worth the wait for someone like me who's already willfully waited 6 months for RDNA 3 to release-even if I did ultimately end up going for a 3090ti. Do you think this is a good decision? Thanks! (Building a PC)
Unfortunately I don't know when the 7800X3D will come out. All I know is that prices are always in flux and some stuff is cheap right now!
Theres another problem with 7xxxX3D the ihs is horrible and increases temps by 10-20C and the reason the 5800X3D isnt OCabke cuz of the temps apparently this problem should be solved but again solving that problem will either mean and will only release low tdp X3D chips and or wait to solve this problem
5800x3d with an Asus cross hair board and BLK clock the thing. S+ tier
no 7950x? It's overkill but for content creation, and people who like having loads of overlays etc. it's amazing
A lot of people have brought up the 7950x lol. I didn't include it because I figured that the 7900x had enough threads for everyone's blender/premiere/overlay needs. Guess I was wrong?
Correction, there's technically no 4000 series outside of the APUs because AMD wanted to match the names correctly going forward
9900k @4.9ghz and a 3090, rollin' smooth!
Wait until the 7800x3D drops
It'll be insane
I just built my new PC with the 5800x3D since my old PC died, and it runs excellent for vr chat, thank you for making this video
Great choice!
Thanks for this. Ive been playing vrc on my i7 7700 (non k) since 2017, and lately ive really been feeling the CPU bottleneck. Was searching around for different CPU and Mobo upgrades, but really felt lost on what was good for vrchat within my budget. Just ordered the 5800x3d since its within my budget, and excited to see the improvements from my old system
Ok, have the system all running, and it was well worth it! Thanks so much!
I just went from an i5 10400 to the 5800x3d, it was on sale on amazon for 300. I went from 30fps to 144. That was absolutely bonkers to me
Niiiice
What card you got ?
@@MrUnspecified i got a 2070super.
9.81 cm/s^2 is how fast i fell too 😆
You can sometimes even use the 5800X3D on a B350 chipset if your motherboard has a bios update available. My MSI B350 Tomahawk has a 'beta' bios that is now running my 5800X3D just fine. Insane levels of compatibility.
really, excuse me, what version of bios do you have?, also i have same motherboard and i want an upgrade
Is there any testing of Windows 10 vs 11 for VRChat? I know Tupper has stated that "windows 11 is better because it has a better CPU scheduler", but I haven't see a whole lot of A to B comparisons where someone installs VRChat on windows 10, checks render time, then does the same thing with 11 and checks under the same circumstances.
There's numerous examples of the X3D definitively proving itself, but not as much for 10 vs 11.
It seems hard to test, but I'm staying on windows 10 for now. I use a lot of tools for vrchat and model making and they're all tested for windows 10.
Though to be fair windows 11 just seems like windows 10 with a ui update and more telemetry. Maybe it just behaves like windows 10.1
Me, currently using a 5600x, wanting to upgrade to a 5800x3D
Yeah sadly I got the 5900X well before the X3D came out. I have considered selling my 5900X used and then buying a 5800X3D. But for now it's still good. Tho those CPU frametimes on X3D is amazing.
That's a downgrade you really wanna go from a 12 core to a 8 core ?
I'm surprised to see such a massive tier difference between 5800X3D vs 5900X
They're the same price for me atm so I'm super on the fence about which one to get. Advice?
I do a lot of blender, unity, multi-tasking etc so I was leaning towards the 5900X
Really tough call if you're a creator. The 5900X is going to do so much better in multi-core programs and still have a good time in vrchat. The 5800X3D will do much better in vrchat however.
I made a similar choice this year. Eventually I decided on the 5800X3D and just became a little more patient when working with large files. Lol.
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@@cid_vrc hmm, i definitely prefer the 5900x for creation, I was just a bit worried that the 5800x3d might perform way better for vrc. I'll probably stick with the 5900x though. Thanks!
Now that there's benchmarks, you should make a new tier rank vid with the new X3D chips.
Can I use the x3D for every day gaming other than VR? Looking for a decent CPU/GPU. Thanks. 🙏 Do you have a graphics card recommendation too considering going back to AMD. Want to max stuff out. But on a graphics card budget and want 4k too. Thanks. :) This video is good for research too. Considering the x3D. Those high worlds are too high. Literally. XD. Want my Skyrim VR back. Lol. :)
You’re very consistent with how you phrase your words. Nice video!
I just upgraded from a Ryzen 7 5800X to the i9-13900K and holy crap the performance difference is night and day!
Awesome :D
Since this is -only- about FPS, i whole heartedly agree with everything. I am buying a new system and opted to go for the AM5 chip and the 7700x, i got a good deal and upgrading from an i5 9600k. When the 7700XD3 comes ill have to simply see if the performance upgrade will be worth it.
>Why would you buy them?
we were deep in a pandemic and I just wanted to play the new Halo. Beggars can’t be choosers ;~; (5600x user)
I notice this wasn't on the list but the 7950X is great for VRC. Using it rn and love it. Yeah it's overkill but if you have allot of background programs running like overlays, Soundpad ect. All those extra cores do a great job of keeping the frame rate consistent and everything feeling snapy.
You're not the first person to bring the 7950x up. I guess there's a lot of fans of it because of all the VRC related stuff that you can do with it!
If you could build the ultimate pc, what would be the specs (not considering how much it will cost)
ryzen 9 7950x/ryzen 9 7950x3d [either or] (w/ icue h150i elite lcd display)
asus x670e rog crosshair hero
128gb ddr5 ram @ 7200MHz+
4tb+ samsung pro 980
3090/3090ti/4090 (water cooled ofc)
1600w evga supernova p plus 80+ platinum psu
corsair 5000t airflow case/hyte y60/any case with godly airflow (and the hyte y60 can fit 2 rads as it can hold one triple and one double)
you're welcome.
The largest down side of 5800x3d is locked manual vcore & freq, problem being is that any type of frequency scaling algo on the cpu will always leave you with choppier frames and annoying slow downs when switching applications or even cpu being idle for let's say 5-10 seconds. And I would argue these freq scaling performance jumps are annoyin as hell.
I have a 4080 and a i9 13900k and its insane how smooth the 13900k is. From my experience the 13900k is a all around cpu for vrchat but as cid said the 5800x3d is better but i do video editing so i needed the 13900k. If your on a budget please go with the 5800x3d but if you dont care about money and just want performance go with the 13900k!!.
I wish I had a better cpu for productivity purposes XD
I was looking for a good pc for mi wife that makes a good performance on VR Chat. I had many options in my head, but this information just got me right.
Thanks a lot for this
Glad I could help!
I use a 13600k with vrchat with an rtx 3090 and it's blazingly fast. Definitely A-B tier.
HaritoraX Wireless, 5800X3D and 32 gigs of 4400 are savings goals.
I have all of those except my ram is only 3200. Still works great through! lol
The Intel i5 10500 and 10400f also perform very Well in vrchat from my experience
Hey, im super unfamiliar with pc requirements, but I was wondering would it make any sense for me to get a 5800x3d, if as a gpu I only got a 3060?
I know that it's a huge bottleneck everywhere else, but if we're talking exclusively vrchat
(Rn I'm running with a 3600)
Update: oh my lord, its amazing! I pretty much doubled my framerate from around 30 fps to a very smooth 70 fps (i'm aware that some might say that's still low, but for someone who grew up with toaster computers, this is very nice)
of course graphically it looks pretty much the same, but it just makes it so much easier on the eyes. I just feel better when playing, and its made my vr experience way nicer.
So if anyone is on the same boat as I was, I can HIGHLY recommend upgrading your cpu!
It would be a very big upgrade! Especially if you have the 3060 version with a lot of VRAM.
@@cid_vrc okay, thank you so much! ^^
Thank you for this video, it helped me double down on the decision to upgrade from 5600x. Now the question is, should I get 2 more 8GB sticks to get 32GB RAM or should I be good with just 16? (3600mhz cl16)
I do work on my computer so I love having lots of RAM. And DDR4 is so cheap right now, pretty sure 16GB costs less than a takeout meal.
Get more ram! 16 is the standard and 32 is the sweet spot in general 😅
I actually got 2x16GB sticks of 3200mhz cl16 because I couldn't find the ones I had anywhere
Bear in mind desktop class CPUs only have two "Dual" channels. Despite virtually all MOBOs having 4 slots, running 4 sticks is somewhat a bodge and can hinder getting the maximum possible performance out of the RAM you have. Even moreso if the RAM you add doesn't match your existing RAM. Yes, more RAM is nice but once you've got 16GB, I'd say speed and latency are more important than capacity.
when playing high player worlds in vr chat you can be using over 16GB (including background stuff) i think my record was either like 20GB or something around their
I think you should make a new video talking about the new ryzen generation that is coming, that ryzen 7950x3d looks very interesting...
Lol I just made a 7000X3D vid! Check out my honest thoughts, expectations, and pricing info!
th-cam.com/video/2UTF9Pl41io/w-d-xo.html
Ryzen is gonna release the Epyc Genoa-X cpu with 1.1GB of L3
Day 1 purchase, wish me luck
This video made me upgrade my ram to 32gb 3600mhz and get the 5800X3D
Nice
if i want to buy Ryzen 7000 Series
i need to buy cpu with x or non x is fine ?
Can you make a vid to show the diff between say 16mb of cache and the 5800x3d's cache in game?
Need help.
I'm thinking of buying a 3060 12gb and need a new CPU also. All mainly for VRchat since I don't care for games much.
So. A 5800x or 5800x3d seem to be awesome but the prices are at like 40% difference.
Should I really go for the 96mb cache or there is no use in that because that 3060/12 will be bottlenecking anyways?
Depends on the worlds and settings. Do you like big parties and game worlds? You might bottleneck. If you just chill in smaller instances 12gb is not so bad.
hey so just watched ur cpu video i got the 7900x for vrc but learnt about the 5800x3d but the 7900x sill stuggles on my a320 mobo so i was wondering if the 5800x3d would fair better
3090 and 7900x and like 30-45 fps
Me who just got the R9 5950X...
Tbh I think either way, cooling is da wae
With enough cooling you can make that CPU do way more XD
I am on the 2600x currently and I want to die going into any world that has more than 8 people in it
Lol it's that bad?
@@cid_vrc yes actually, it's not too good! I did get the 5800x3d per your advice
I'm in a similar situation to you! Unfortunately, what you have to do is muck around with settings in vrchat (turn off avatars far away from you, turn off all very poor avis AT LEAST, and turn off looking at more than a few avis)
If you have the quest, you can also mess with the oculus debug settings and the sidequest settings on the PC
If you don't have a quest, I'm not sure how you can optimize your headset settings for your exact device
Good luck!
Aw mannn....
I should have found this video before i brought my new CPU.
I use to used Ryzen 5 3600x and i upgrade to ryzen 9 3950X
Man i should have buy 5800X3D
Hi there I've got a question so I'm trying to upgrade and I'm trying to choose between a CPU and a GPU my choices are the 3060 12 GB for the ryzen 7 5800 x 3D
Probably go for the 5800X3D if your graphics card is not that bad
so i got a question. i currently have a r5 5600g and the r7 5700x is on a good sale. would that make much of a diff. i have a msi rtx 3060
Depends on the price difference, but the 5700x is much better. 5800x3D is only a couple hundred dollars though, that's the one you really want for serious VRchat gaming. Also good for random old games/unity games.
@@cid_vrc got the x3D for 340 with tax, i bought it the day after making this comment xD.. no regrets
Idk if i should upgrade my cpu individually. My system atm uses a 2700x and gtx 1080 and idk if i should spend a bit for a cpu upgrade or wait till I have enough for a new build.
Hi there, any thoughts about the Noctua nh-d15 Chromax.black for R7 5800X3D VRChat?
Seeing as how Tarkov and VR chat are among my favorite games I'm so glad I got this CPU lol. I have had this motherboard since 17' with a bios update it should run pretty well
Umm question does a b550-f good for ryzen 7 5800x3d
AMD's Black Friday deals make this a harder decision... TwT
12700k trash for vrchat what's wrong with it I got one please tell me
i planned on building a new pc in about 8months and i wanted to ask if there is gonna be coming out something like the 5800X3D sometime soon? cause it's black friday at the moment things are pretty cheap but i wont be able to use the cpu right now cause i'm currently using a intel pc and i don't have enough money right now to buy a new motherboard and new ram aswell
all you would need is a new motherboard the aorus b550 chip type MB's are dirt cheap 90-150$
@@FiveStarBr thank you for your input but as it turns out life can be really weird and i will be forced into buying a laptop as i will have to move between two different places very frequently for the next two years :( i guess it's gonna be just plebian quest3 half body times for me from now on
clutch video!
i got the 7700 non x cuz the 5800x3d was a bit cheaper all in but i went am5 for the upgradability. i had a 10400f so i needed a new mobo anyway the price of ddr5 did hurt tho
i got my cpu on sale for sub 300 tho
6000 mz cl36 if you where wondering about the ram
speed
in any game thats not vr chat tho the pref of the 7700 and 5800x3d are the same
Why is my VRC using more CPU computing than GPU? 😭
It’s a RX 6600 😭
Well damn....im building a pc for the first time and i got the 6700xt and the 12700k.....i was hoping they would be decent for vrchat...shame they got put in trash tier. I couldnt find a single video on youtube of someone playing vrchat with a 6700xt
Those are great specs for playing all modern games! But yeah vrchat prefers really specialized hardware...
Does anyone here game on a pre-built computer? That sounds pretty based.
Yes altho i selected the parts and some company built it for me so its not some dogshit thing u buy at wallmart
Just because it uses the same socket doesn't mean it will work with your motherboard. Always check the manufacturers site to see what CPU models are supported.
Mine bought at august before newer 13 gen announced, just stick with 12th gen then
i think its user error for the 5600X, mine works fine, also i think you're a bit out of touch with the working class perhaps, as the 5600X is $249aud whereas the 5800X3D is $520, 5600X destroys the 5800X3D in price to performance
I'm also from Australia. I upgraded from my 5600X. Absolutely blown away! Not only has the FPS improved in clubs with alot of players but the stutter and pausing is non existent. I would def buy it!! I got mine from Centrecom. 519 AUD.
Is a i7-9700k okay for vrc?
um i gotta i7 12700F. i don’t see that in the tier list. did i mess up? 🥺
It's good but it's from the last gen. There are good deals in the 13000 series recently so that's why I prioritized them!
11:26 5800X3D is like twice the price of a 5600X though
do ppl really build their computers around being able to play smoothly on vrchat?
Yes. VRChat is a life replacement.
0:40 Yep, Im a dumbass cuz I have austism and stuff. Tanksuu foa the useful info and the comedy tho. xD
The fact that you need top tier components to compensate for how shitty vrchat runs doesnt really make em good value lol when most of these lower end chips will still run everything else with 0 performance issues.
Right? LOL
Gaming CPUs ranked right: 13700K S, 7700X S, 7600X S, 5800X3D B - Bec old any 7000 Series are Faster. Working CPUS any 7900 or 13900K all D Tier its only good for work ok bye.
7950X3D 🤔
Im getting a 3090 but i really just don't know what cpu to go for, at first i was thinking about getting the i7 12700k but clearly thats bad for vrchat. any recommendations for someone with a tight budget when it comes to the cpu and motherboard since i wanna use my ddr4 ram?
i wanna get the 5800x3d and remove my I7-10700KF so bad lol
But my build is just 2 years old and i dont feel like buying new parts lul
I can trust your words because you use Selestia, not a terrible TDA avatar. lmao
Yeah I have only been a JP/KR avatar user. We are kind of rare in the western world!
Would be neat if there is anything that backup ur claims
Just trust me bro
@@cid_vrc puff amd shill read that thread and see what Tupper mentions
VRchat still using single-core performance?
Never has
Uh oh. I'm in D tier 😥
Lol
How about R5 7600?
Where's the 7950X at?
C-D tier IMO since it's so expensive. It'll be good if you can utilize all of those threads, but even the 7900X is overkill for users who don't do creation/work on their computer.
@@cid_vrc they just recently lowered the prices of all of the 7000 series CPUs
I was wondering where it was on the list too since I have it and it runs VRC like a dream. I also use allot of background programs while in VR like Soundpad so the extra cores and horsepower come in handy.
Nice nice
me wondering what about 7950x
Do you need all of those cores and threads? Even 7900x is overkill for most people, but if you want the best of the best that AMD has to offer 7950x is gonna be good. 64MB L3 cache is always nice too. 😃
how 'bout those chiefs ;)
LMAO someone actually noticed
@@cid_vrc I'm in KC :D
This is a normie video with recommendations like the GPU video. Good for the people that follow that. Not really great for the EXTREME VRChat players XD
but i am a dumb ass :0
im sorry but like this tier list is trash bc i have ryzen 7 5800X and it’s so fucking good in vrc and i. bought for 240$
The tier list is based on their pref, not based on research(or very little), there's tons of factors that come into consideration when upgrading, l3 is great but fast ram and other factors can match/beat that too. It's FOMO hype mainly + content to put out. For actual information check out actual reviewers that take time to generate the data/understanding of how things work and why so u come out informed vs "this is great , buy it" clickbait is all to common these days, some for the wrong reasons, others just cuz over hype.
Vr is for the rich ;-;
just bougt a pc with the 5800x3d, rtx 3080 (10gb) with 32gb ram you think it will work nicely in vrc? (yes ik the new x3d just came out but my country has stock problems with it and i wanted to get back in vr asap after 8 months)
Great choices! I use the 5800x3d every day and it does great!