Citizen above the age of 30+ are not allowed to apply for govt job, isn't it a discrimination towards the citizen at large. Can we get that scraped as well
When Rahul Easwar got his turn Ranjana Kumari interrupted and prevented him from being heard unhindered. Later, Ranjana Kumari says, "Please, please, it is my turn and allow me to speak". Nidhi chides others not to speak out of turn but didn't pull up Ranjana when she interrupted Rahul. There is not even a pretense of being neutral!
God has given power Manstruation and therefore power of producung new life. If NDTV has problem with that they have to ask God. Why this discrimination World has 192 countries. No where women and men are equal. Including USA UK GERMANY etc.. USA has not elected lady president since 300 years. We india had CM of UP Sucheta kriplani in 1960s We had lady as Defense minister. It is futile to argue women is disadsntageous in India. If so then men also due to overall poverty and congress rule for 70 years
While Ranjana Kumari was interupting Rahul...Nidhi did not stop her. But she was quick to prey on Deepak...telling him to be civilised...despite him being the more civilised person on the panel and laid down the best points
The ugly face of so called face secularism, people allow so called secular people to speak bullshit freely, but if someone speaks something sensible they try to shut their mouth.
Celibacy of Deity Must be Respected. Celibacy Vratham of Devotees Must be Protected. "Wait To Pray"(up to the age of 50) is the answer to "Right To Pray". Court has no role in it.
A) The nature of the Ayyappa is that of someone who has renounced the proximity of a certain group of women. That is Ayyappa's nature manifested as per his own decision for himself. Let us keep in mind that Ayyappa is a male. A devotee who is not ignorant would understand that nature of Ayyappa and will honor it. A non-devotee would not feel the obligation to honor it. An ignorant devotee would be behaviorally similar to a non-devotee in this case. One must have knowledge of what to honor, and with what degree and priority. The exactness in that knowledge is what a devoted Thantri has. [The political aspect of anyone actively dishonoring Ayyappa's decision within a democracy manifests as an attack on Hindu beliefs. An ignorant Hindu can also contribute to this attack due to his/her lack of exactness in the understanding. Honoring of Ayyappa's nature is evident for humans largely through the recorded history, while Ayyappa's nature is part of widely accepted mythology. Now, why did Ayyappa decide his Naishtika Brahmacharya? Only he knows. There is no actual rationale to support it. There is no actual rationale to oppose it even. We are aware of only the god's decisions, not his mind & its mechanisms. One will have to oppose the idea of god itself to oppose Ayyappa's decision.] B) Would you like to challenge whether Ayyappa is male or not? Would you like to impose your own meaning of what Ayyappa's renunciation should look like? Would you want to impose the burden of another idea of celibacy (such as western idea of celibacy - 'no-marriage with no-sex')? Then, you are not the acknowledging the nature of Ayyappa in Sabarimala. You are fantasizing some other entity. Either you can try finding that entity you are looking for, or make your own new temple. [Note that it is often easy to get lost in translation. Celibacy in this context is most close to the idea of asceticism. Please be aware of meaning-loss in words/phrases elsewhere too. It is important to understand the conceptual-framework before deciding what to do with it.] C) Is Ayyappa sexist as per today's standards? Maybe. If you feel so, and feel very strongly against sexism, do not choose to be a devotee of Ayyappa. There are many other gods to show your devotion. Find a non-sexist one. Before that, maybe recheck your value-system which you use to conclude sexism in Ayyappa's nature. Ayyappa is considered a god and certainly far superior to any mortals. Your value-system would most probably be inapplicable for a god. Keep your mind open to the idea that the defect could be in the value-system which finds a god as sexist. [Holistically speaking, around 400 years of western colonialism has given Indians the benefit of western education but also the issues in the assumptions of the western value-systems. There have been mutations to our value-system much before that too. Even if many maintain the identity of Hindu, the default outlook of the past centuries is that of a remixed-Hinduism and not necessarily of a progressed-Hinduism. Hinduism inherently being a complex remix with a unified common substrate doesn't help with the confusion. And a remixed-substrate as a result of centuries has meddled with our value-judgements.] D) Aren't all Hindu gods the same? Shouldn't the nature of one temple be same as the other, let it be Kerala or Odisha? No. That is not how Hinduism is. While one must show aversion to practices that are clearly harmful, one must also identify practices that make our gods unique and preserve them. Hinduism acknowledges the 'form-less property-less omnipresent god' simultaneously with the numerous gods who has specific forms and mythology behind them. It sustains a plethora of god-based -isms such as polytheism, pantheism, monotheism, agnostic, atheism and even deism. One can be Hindu with or without the Vedas, or any such texts. Hinduism maintains the individual's opportunity to question anything. [That opportunity of the individual must not be conflated with the state's or any group's opportunity to remove any existing beliefs. A current system of democracy is a relatively newer mechanism which provides new kinds of opportunities which may not be about religion itself. One must use caution in identifying constructive opportunities. There is no formula for that discrimination power. One must analyze in detail without agenda. Let the agenda come from the analyses, and not prior to them.] E) "#RightToPray" is a misnomer and a distortion of facts. What fits exactly is "#RightToEnterSabarimalaForWomenOfCertainAgeGroup". If omission of information to make it short is desired, what fits approximately is "#RightToEnter". No one is denied from the act of praying itself. What is being prohibited is the entry to the temple when one is a woman of a certain age group. The lack of intellectual honesty makes discussions less meaningful. *Now, let us look at the main TWO cases where most of the pro-entry arguing sides would fit:* 1) You do not believe in god as an independent entity from human imagination, or does not believe so specifically about Ayyappa: In this case, you rationally cannot demand to enter Sabarimala. You have no respectable objective to enter that place. Actually, you will have no interest in entering any religious place if you are an atheist. Stressing on tourism instead of devotion also makes you a non-devotee. If you are in the role of an anti-theist, and if still you demand to enter, then you would be suspected of ill-intentions. If you claim that you are trying to speak for other devoted women, then you lack the basic requirement for representing them by not realizing the reason why they have the devotion. You already have an outlook that is incompatible with them. A devotee would reasonably place Ayyappa above constitution. You lack that perspective. So, the individuals under case-1 can have no rational argument to put forth regarding temple entry of devotees or themselves. [There is another argument that atheists and anti-theists can present, and it will be rational. That would be along the lines of totally removing any temple/worship from Sabarimala, and using that land well for state's productivity. Even though I might support such an argument, the ongoing discussion is not on that. Case-1-people will have to be #ready-to-wait for that kind of argument which opposes theism directly. There is some irony here.] 2) You believe in Ayyappa being a god whose history and mythology is known: If you are such a devotee, then you are asking a genuine question about Sabarimala temple-entry regulations. The reply is this - if you are a genuine devotee of Ayyappa, then you will respect his decision of renunciation. You will act accordingly. The explanations are present mainly in {A,B,C} above. If you still have doubt, the knowledgeable person to ask is the Thantri who really knows about Ayyappa. Not the pseudo-intellectual and misinformed people who has no refined idea of Kerala & its mythologies. The following questions has the human tinge, but consider this - why would a god stay in a place where his decision is not respected by his devotees? To continue his vow of renunciation, wouldn't he have to move to another place where he can maintain his asceticism? What do the human ideas of sexism, patriarchy, left/right politics, communism, democracy, constitution etc. mean for a god? [Note that the human "ascetics/sages/swamis" of the present age follow their own adulterated version of asceticism. They have relatively mellow lives and are not qualified to comment on the nature of renunciation that Ayyappa keeps. Except for the Thantri no one else is eligible. Even Thantri cannot make any major changes. What makes Ayyappa 'Ayyappa' must be preserved.] **Disclaimer**: If anyone feels like showering abuse or telling nonsense as reply, please consider your words as reply for yourself. I am not a fan of silliness. I have put the effort to explain using as precise words as possible. Intelligent and coherent responses are welcome. Please note that I have made no mention of the nonsensical classifications of purity/impurity (It is a non-problem, a straw-man, a distortion of Ayyappa's stance on renunciation). I do not wish to turn this into a men-versus-women discussion. If Ayyappa was female and if she wanted to practice renunciation, then it could very well happen that no guys after reaching puberty can enter her temple. The importance of the temples are maintained also by their exclusivity.
Development should not be by screwing over your culture and traditions!! It is a tradition in Sabarimala since its inception that women having age btw 5-55 should not visit the temple and it may be for a cause. If someone does not believe in this, then for what purpose they wish to visit Sabarimala - for Pilgrimmage or for Honeymoon?
+ajay prasad > Know about the temple history and which mode of prathistta there , then you would understand why woman are not allowed ! go and study first !
+ajay prasad Stupid moron. Do you know when to use upper case and when not to? Did you cheat your way through all the English exams? What is that crap "Wos"? If you cannot type correctly, you should not type at all dumb ffing moron. And, you want to speak about women's periods?
+ajay prasad Stop blaming patriarchy you dumb effing idiot. You belong to no school of thought for your thoughts are so full of shit. Go get a lobotomy fucking moron.
if you consider that just women entering a temple makes it a place of honeynoon.... then you are the real shitty scumbag...who should be banned from entering the temple not women... if there is a reason then what is it you shitty potty mouthed moron..?thats what women are asking what is the reason idiot?
Robin, This is how Satan plans to destroy our culture and traditions by creating quarrels in the society among each other to make the whole of India into an atheistic nation.
Quoting sir Sai Deepak from another debate on the same issue, "Don't put secular logic in religious places because you will not tolerate religious logic in secular places." That ends the debate.
you guys have to go to sabarimala first before saying anything about it and even before that, Mrs.Nidhi and Ranjana try understating who ayyapan is ? you guys are talking about rights of women only. If you were purpose of going to the temple was to worship , then you would have given some respect to what the Lord had said and what's written in the scriptures. Thankyou for being arrogant and blind as any other non devotee. 100 dislikes to u NDTV
The funny part is all north Indian women are suddenly realizing the oppression put upon Women in kerala. Suddenly ranjana and nidhi want to go to sabarimala.. even when they don't go to the temples right outside thier homes.
Just as there are some religious sites like Sabarimala which prohibit women/girls of a certain age group from entering its precincts, there are many such temples like the famous Kamakhya temple in Assam, which only allows women to enter. Will pseudo-feminists like Ranjana Kumari fight for the right of men to enter such temples ? Moreover, all religions are based on individuals' faith and many of their practices many not be rational or even logical to some. Hence, unless a religious practice is inherently harmful to a section of society (like instant Triple Talaq is to Muslim women), there is not reason to raise a hue & cry in the garb of women's rights.
Some rituals can only be performed by men and some other rituals by women due to biological factors. So please understand this is not discrimination. They are rituals followed by our people since time immemorial based on their knowledge n experience as to what s good for the society. There s a difference between social evil n social practice. Social evil like dowry, sati etc are to be eradicated without second thought but not social practices as they are result of long drawn social experiments and have so much sentiment attached to them.
U believe sati was eradicated without second thought! You need to read a little bit about Bal Gangadhar Tilak's fight to end Sati. Thank God it was Britishers then . In current scenario even to ban sati huge debate would be going on. And dowry is not completely eradicated.
@Sachin Kumar : my reply was to Vidhya not to u. I replied because she said these evil were willing given up . That is not the case. Where in my comment did i mention shabarimala?
@Sachin Kumar : so according to u, if i dont comment on Sabarimala i should notbe commenting here. Second if u say "every1 is free to comment", dont I belong to this everyone? Third. What I infered from Vidhya's comment , i know best. With all due respect, who are u to decide its right or wrong
Seema, I know those social evils did not end on their own and only because of some forward thinking people, there was end to it and I won't even say they have ended. They are still continuing i this era also. So those eradication of social evils is must. But this Sabarimala issue is not discrimination or social evil issue. It is based on rule of bramacharya and even if a female goddess is practising bramacharyam then no male will be allowed to enter. People are comparing certain specific social rituals with social evils and that is where this confusion comes. I had never said those social evils ended on their own and people realised it all of a sudden. My only issue here is people are treating the Sabarimala issue and comparing it to some evil practice discriminating women when it is no where closer to the definition of social evil. Hope you understand.
@Sachin Kumar : looks like u have some problem interpreting my comments. If Vidhya would have replied, it would have been meaningful, as i was addressing her. I dont even understand , why for each and every statement i make , u have a argument. I never mention u, i never mentioned your beloved Sabarimala, i did not tell u should not comment to Vidhya not me and i have no problem whether u totally agree or disagree to Vidhya.
Sai Deepak knows what he's speaking.... There is a tradition, which is sole with respect to the deity of the temple....nothing constitutional or discriminatory about it If you disturb the tradition of this temple, it is clearly against the article 25, Which is freedom of religeon
Some people here either lacks the basic understanding of the culture and traditions of India or pretending to do so by confusing it with gender equality. God knows...
If this is discrimination then pls take away all rules,beliefs and regulations from all temple,mosque and church....if not pls protect the uniqueness..
Sai Deepak knows what he's speaking.... There is a tradition, which is sole with respect to the deity of the temple....nothing constitutional or discriminatory about it
The head priest, Tantri and Pandalam royal family has only one motive to preserve the tradition that has been followed from centuries and to uphold the basic principles of the diety. Every diety in each temple is installed with a specific character and rituals to match his character. A diety is programmed to discharge cosmic energy to heal the devotees based on this character( bhaavam) and rituals ( Aaacharangal). If you disrupt it then the diety does not function as intended so any move to disrupt it is a move to destroy the very existence of Sabarimala temple. Ayappa diety installed in Sabarimala is different from Ayappa dities in other temples and each diety is unique. In Sabarima, the diety is in the form of nitya brahmachari ( eternal celebacy) in yoganidra. Ayyapa was a great yogi who lived a human life and he attained moksha and dissolved in to Sastha who is the diety formed from lord Shiva and Vishnu. Ayyapa is different from Sasta and only thing that is common is that Ayyapa attained enlightenment and became one with Sasta in his eternal yoga nidra and he is present in this specifc form in Sabarimala. It is the fundamental right of a diety who should also be considered as a citizen to enjoy his/her interest in his/her home which is the sanctum santorium and the temple. As per temple architecture the whole temple is considered as the body of the diety where the sanctum sanctorium is consired as the point where teh soul resides, his feet is the flag post, the inner and outer circles of sanctum sactorium is considered as the faceof the diety and so on all parts of the temple is symbolic of the body of the diety. There is absolutely no political motive and this is all based on Kerala temple architecture and rituals which has been prescribed by Adi Sankaracharya and lord Parasurama. Malikapurathamma the form of godess is eternally waiting outside his sanctum sanctorium for him to come out of yoga nidra and receive her and this wait will continue to eternity because lord Ayyapa has dissolved his consciousness with the supreme soul , called moksha or the attainment of the highest level of oneness with God and became God himself.This is the reason of very stric rituals and 41 days of celebacy and rituals followed by devotees to climb the holy 18 steps. The 18 steos are considered 18 things we should attain to become one with God and at this stage what you realize is Tatvamasi means I and you are one and we are mirror images of each other. A devotee following his 41 days of self control and devotion realizes that he is seeing in the diety his own perfect form. Sabarima cause has nothing to do with violation of fundamantal rights or on treating women different from men. If Ayyapa was a woman who wanted to maintain celebacy, definitel men would not be allowed that all it is all about
Sabarimala is temple with a purpose in its ritual. Men take the vows of abstinence to take a break from worldly pleasures to find the element of the Divine within themselves 'thatwamasi'. They return to their worldly life after taking 'darshan' and live life to the fullest with the true meaning. The 41 days of penance happens with the support of the whole family. Isn't this a great thing? Isn't this verdict snatching the essence of a Hindu practice? Where in the world can Hindus to live their life go if it is not allowed in this country?
Nidhi razdan pls fight for all religion. If you can highlight in all place then you are talking for righteous and equality. But you cannot talk abt other discrimination in other religion.
And Mrs. Ranjana , I think if you speak more without knowing anything about Sabarimala or the deity there, you would have to expect more hashthrongs coming your way.
A simple rule of thumb regarding entry into someone's property is this - If they say, we do not want you to come to our house/property then why argue that you need to enter it at any cost. Don't you have some shame that "Damn, they are not inviting us. So, let's just stay away"??? Ugh!!
dont let the activist hear this because she is gonna make a political issue why she cannot enter your home .. this is 21th century she can go anywhere she wants .. I am getting sick of this type of activists
I'd love to see these women discuss why women aren't allowed into mosques and why Christian women cannot be popes in the same light that they're discussing "discrimination against women" with respect to the Sabrimala Temple. What a load of nonsense from Ranjana Kumari, Nidhi Razdan and Vasanth Kannibaran!
Yes, this is true. Prior to 1991, and after 1947, women used to enter, of all ages. This was the basis of the case filed against the Travancore Devasom Board in 1991 - that they are failing to protect the customs, and uphold the vow of Ayappan, which they are duty bound to do. The women who entered the temple are usually well connected, from the families of officials, bureaucrats and politicians. Commoners never adopted this practice en masse in respect of the customs. It was the outcry of the devotees against this violation of customs that led first to a devaprasnam, and then a case in the HC. The HC then upheld tradition, and made the unfortunate decision to enforce it via law, adding another layer to this tangle between faith and government. So, the entry of women was always against the norm/custom. The same can be evidenced from the now famous Ward & Conner report by the British in 1816, where they document that a temple exists where young women do not go, but old women and children alike are free to journey.
Why women want to visit this temple if diety doesn't want to meet them ?? It is like forcing yourself inside the house of someone where someone is not interested in meeting you. Now question on books where it is written, Hinduism is not Islam that it has one book that is it, Hinduism is evolving natural religion with most knowledge orally transmitted from one to another. Books etc..what non sense. Why don't women go in devi temples or build new devi temples for mata supreme, for Ragyna mata and make them exclusive for women open all days all ages during periods, during pregnancy. Fact is most temples were built by men but women can also build now in 21st century and build for supreme mother. 🙏
Ban on Women..??? Wrong Statement.. No women are banned in SABARIMALA... Only those women of particular age is prohibited... Please do not give misinterpretations....
Beef ban citing cow as good ( not for other religions) so basically enforcing a rule on others based on one religion. Triple talaq. So yeah...all religions are being forced to do what govt likes..
People like ranjana kumari this is there bread & butter......without these they won't survive, without understanding anything these designer experts debate
If you want to change traditions and end discrimination, Lets change all !!!! 1. Women should be allowed to tie Mangalsootra and men should wear it 2. Married Men should wear kunkuma 3. Let Men tie rakshabandhan around Women wrists and get the gifts in return 4. During Karva Chaut Husband should fast and look at wife through the sieve 5. Let Women become poojari in temples 6. After marriage, the Husband's last name should be the Wife's first name and wife's last name should never change. Make all of the above a law and end discrimination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right of admission restricted is legitimate. Why women wants to enter when it is not allowed by some tradition?. I do not understand. This "my right" is ultimate is ridiculous. We have so many things women can do without entering the temple. Time has come to treat women with some force legally - Let there is no law which is soft on women. I have lost all soft corner to women and treat women as threat to my existence. I am losing my job because company is hiring women . Women are promoted , women has special program for leadership. WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN every where. I urge men to stand up and fight for your right. Just being WOMEN is meritorious now a days. No one blames Item girl who is charging 5 cores for a 6 min dance. But they cry this as OBJECTIFICATION. Today's women are confused a lot .
Sabarimala is a symbol of national integrity as all religious people are accepted there is one can take 41 days vratham ; Women Below 10 and above 50 are also allowed inside the temple Few Thoughts that come to the mind assuming women are allowed inside 1. Do we have enough facilities in sabarimala for Young Women ( No Proper Accommodation , No Clean Bath rooms ) 2. We have all possibilities of anti elements intentionally screwing up the place getting young women ; We have no clue what all they are capable of 3. This issue has been politcised by a section of people who doesnt know any jack about sabarimlala Please leave it to the temple administration to decide ; Dont Politicise this Issue
Sometime women lose the sensibility and hold on to victimhood -Its a ladies college…! -soo wat ?it is a college a place to study only know…. Why are you not allowing men inside Its a descrimination You all know its not…its jus being sensible and adehrring to fact tat it is dedicatied only to women Are we men feeling descriminated wen it comes to temples only dedicated to women Nooo! Becos its not descrimination People who feel women are descriminated in sabrimala dont understand anythg regarding spirituality and diety
True. After this discussion that Big Bindi lady is in decline and nowhere to see nowadays.. It was Lutyens Delhi leftist influence what made her like that .. Now she can be countered by 7th class student as well
Sorry to say but these women's arguments are laughable at best. Mr Deepak made it very clear that only in this certain temple women of menstrual age are not allowed because in this certain temple Lord Ayyapa is in the form of a Brahmachari. Also there are temples where men are not allowed and we totally respect that but damn these modern feminists kept howling at him with childish argument of so called discrimination. Anyway not much to expect from the guests appearing on NDTV.
First of all hindu practices are not based on faith on God, nor hindu temples are places of worship, they are they are designed for self transformation, sabarimala temple and tradition is designed to men to practice bhramacharya
Government plz give us permission to enter in temple eating Flesh.... what's the explanation for this,it's obviously the same thing here it's the RULE to preserve the deity.
Kerala is a state where there is almost 100% literacy among women. Almost all women of kerala are against this s c verdict allowing women entry. People like ranjana kumaari and vasanth kannabiran have only superficial knowledge about this temple, where, lakhs of women worship Ayyappa every year. Let them come to kerala and ask every women about their stand and why they take such a stand. Only a few from communist family don't mind going to sabarimala. The communists, as we know, basically are non-believers in god. The women in kerala don't feel any discrimination b'coz they have enough knowledge about sabarimala, but people like ranjana Kumari and vasanth kannabiran think that there is discrimination b'coz they don't have enough knowledge about the shrine. The celibate nature of the deity and the abstinence of devotes from all worldly pleasures(that is what is called 'vritha ') complement one another. A humble request to people like ranjana and vasanth to visit a few malayali family and get enough knowledge about this 'unique' temple where every devotee is considered as God itself. Once again I am reminding people like ranjana and vasanth that your arguments are borne out of ignorance about 'this particular temple'.
These ladies are coming up with the facts... They are prejudiced about opression on women. Ofcourse opression is there but not on this temple matter....
In India there are some temples where men are not allowed , for example BHAGAWATI MAA temple in kanya kumari, and BHAGWATI MAA temple in chenganur (kerala)....
how come u people r fighting for this, there will be a certain rule and regulation, from past so many years u people r not showed interest how come suddenly showing after improvement of the temple, it should be from begining if u, I will agree, but not instantly, I oppose the Supreme Court decision
0:37 Deepak regretting....kahan phas gayaa main in low quality debates mein aur upar se yeh baised anchor mujhe bolne ka mauka bhi nai deti..🤣 Rahul and Deepak dont need to be here... They need to be between more better, more knowledgeble debate panel, where they can impart their deep understanding of the issue and do quality debates.. Debating with this panel is like Lara and Sachin playing with school kids where umpire is partial towards the kids...
NDTV you can't stop Deepak sir .....He will speak the truth with fact and logic.....which will change the philosophy of your 21st-century channel Nidhi Razdan
Hello Nidhi, I'm a feminist and women's rights activist but I strongly condemn your views. Advocate sai Deepak is not saying women are lustful objects or evil. He is saying that for a man, a woman is a distraction to celibacy and for a woman a man is a distraction to her celibacy. If mother Mary wanted to veil herself and not allow any man to enter then it's her right. The same way there are temples where men are not allowed to enter because they should not be present for those rituals. You can never understand Hinduism with western ideology
J Sai Deepak brought in the same argument in the end, which Hari Easwar denied as their original argument: Haji Ali Dargah. J Sai Deepak borders between flowery articulation and crafty arrogance.
If u make a note that these penalist do not have enough knowledge about Lord ayyapa temples....woman penalist are pro communist ideology .In the name of social activist these people enhance the communist ideology. Worst debate I have seen ,NDTV always trys to give chance to these communist . J sai Deepak sir have explained it well in other channels .
Like Nidhi's philosophy?In Kerala before 35 years Muslim were not wearing burkha. Now all Muslim women are wearing burkha in Kerala. Your type of evolvement?
How many of U here for Sai Deepak??
Big fan of Deepak,
Only for j sai , legend
Me
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Yooo
I'm here for sai Deepak. Gem indeed. Let people clarify what's the actual debate about.
Rajin Ravi Nair same here
same case for me.
I too.. from north India
Same dude
You clowns should stop worshipping some lawyer. He wins more debates on TH-cam than he does in court when he fights constitutional cases 😂😂
She did not let Deepak speak. Because truths are sour
very true
@Abdul Raheem Badayuni leave islam first
abhi aur bhi videos dekh raha hu ndtv par sai deepak ke
kisi mein bhi total 2 mins se zyada time nhi diya hai bolne ko
@Abdul Raheem Badayuni Ppp0} people
@Abdulraheem Badayuni Barelvi hahaha leave islam then
Citizen above the age of 30+ are not allowed to apply for govt job, isn't it a discrimination towards the citizen at large. Can we get that scraped as well
Please File a case, No one is restricting you from thay
@@aakashsethi1228 did you apply for a job in your 20's?
waah yr... shaandar 🤣😂👌🏻
Logic is remarkable
Boys are not allowed in girls toilet. this is descrimination against boys XD
India is known as land of different cultures and languages
Modernization doesn't mean forget whole tradition and play with people's sentiments
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Both women exhibit very shallow knowledge. Mr. Deepak I sympathies with you. We could clearly see you did not belong there.
Correction : 3 women.
@@pallaviroy4929 wrong. The 3rd wasn't a woman. In fact, the third wasn't any form of intelligence whatsoever.
@@pallaviroy4929 same thought
@@abcdef-ot8gk lol
Sai Deepak articulated it well
NDTV u cant face Deepak
i was scrolling down see deepak sirs name. i am glad.
Shekhar Reddy me too, he is gem
Shekhar Reddy , way to go
Exactly. And the anchor is not well-read as well as not experienced to conduct a debate in a civilized manner.
I am very impressed to him.. I am north indian.. I know him after this case
When Rahul Easwar got his turn Ranjana Kumari interrupted and prevented him from being heard unhindered. Later, Ranjana Kumari says, "Please, please, it is my turn and allow me to speak". Nidhi chides others not to speak out of turn but didn't pull up Ranjana when she interrupted Rahul. There is not even a pretense of being neutral!
brahminical tradition of looking at women's physical body based on menstruation...lol wut? There is no such thing, badi bindi wali aunti jee
I cringed at that argument lol
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Aisa bengali log hi kar sakte hai jo sickular hai
Bhai inhe hr chij brahmins se hi connect krni hoti h, beti ke lodon ko
God has given power Manstruation and therefore power of producung new life. If NDTV has problem with that they have to ask God. Why this discrimination
World has 192 countries. No where women and men are equal. Including USA UK GERMANY etc..
USA has not elected lady president since 300 years. We india had CM of UP Sucheta kriplani in 1960s
We had lady as Defense minister.
It is futile to argue women is disadsntageous in India. If so then men also due to overall poverty and congress rule for 70 years
Child come for Rajdeep sardessi
Adults come for Ravish Kumar
Legends come for Jai Sai Deepak sir
No I came for the topic
@@disatpathyso u r a transgenda😂😂
I think Deepak was not popular back then, Hahahaha!
Great man has come a long way
Shaurav Kumar Yadav he is gem
i came here to see sai deepak views only
Yeah bro
Sai deepak more than gem
most came here coz of Sai Deepak only ... and that too on NDTV knowing that they have a certain bias
SAI DEEPAK SIR YOU ARE THE BEST😍👌👏👏👏.KEEP IT UP.SHUT THESE LIBERANDUS EVERYWHERE.JAI HO.
While Ranjana Kumari was interupting Rahul...Nidhi did not stop her.
But she was quick to prey on Deepak...telling him to be civilised...despite him being the more civilised person on the panel and laid down the best points
Most uncivilized was Nidhi herself
The ugly face of so called face secularism, people allow so called secular people to speak bullshit freely, but if someone speaks something sensible they try to shut their mouth.
Height of hypocrisy
ranjana kumari.. you know anything about the Sabarimala?
She is chai samosa protestor.
She is all noise and no substance!! Best suited for NDTV
People like her are not activist but should called anarchist..
An ill informed, psuedo femenine, only I shall speak type so called activist. Perfect guest for NDTV.
Celibacy of Deity Must be Respected. Celibacy Vratham of Devotees Must be Protected. "Wait To Pray"(up to the age of 50) is the answer to "Right To Pray". Court has no role in it.
For Deepak Sai see from 8:30
Nidhi Razdan why dont u go back sleeping with Omar Abdullah
A) The nature of the Ayyappa is that of someone who has renounced the proximity of a certain group of women. That is Ayyappa's nature manifested as per his own decision for himself. Let us keep in mind that Ayyappa is a male. A devotee who is not ignorant would understand that nature of Ayyappa and will honor it. A non-devotee would not feel the obligation to honor it. An ignorant devotee would be behaviorally similar to a non-devotee in this case. One must have knowledge of what to honor, and with what degree and priority. The exactness in that knowledge is what a devoted Thantri has.
[The political aspect of anyone actively dishonoring Ayyappa's decision within a democracy manifests as an attack on Hindu beliefs. An ignorant Hindu can also contribute to this attack due to his/her lack of exactness in the understanding. Honoring of Ayyappa's nature is evident for humans largely through the recorded history, while Ayyappa's nature is part of widely accepted mythology. Now, why did Ayyappa decide his Naishtika Brahmacharya? Only he knows. There is no actual rationale to support it. There is no actual rationale to oppose it even. We are aware of only the god's decisions, not his mind & its mechanisms. One will have to oppose the idea of god itself to oppose Ayyappa's decision.]
B) Would you like to challenge whether Ayyappa is male or not? Would you like to impose your own meaning of what Ayyappa's renunciation should look like? Would you want to impose the burden of another idea of celibacy (such as western idea of celibacy - 'no-marriage with no-sex')? Then, you are not the acknowledging the nature of Ayyappa in Sabarimala. You are fantasizing some other entity. Either you can try finding that entity you are looking for, or make your own new temple.
[Note that it is often easy to get lost in translation. Celibacy in this context is most close to the idea of asceticism. Please be aware of meaning-loss in words/phrases elsewhere too. It is important to understand the conceptual-framework before deciding what to do with it.]
C) Is Ayyappa sexist as per today's standards? Maybe. If you feel so, and feel very strongly against sexism, do not choose to be a devotee of Ayyappa. There are many other gods to show your devotion. Find a non-sexist one. Before that, maybe recheck your value-system which you use to conclude sexism in Ayyappa's nature. Ayyappa is considered a god and certainly far superior to any mortals. Your value-system would most probably be inapplicable for a god. Keep your mind open to the idea that the defect could be in the value-system which finds a god as sexist.
[Holistically speaking, around 400 years of western colonialism has given Indians the benefit of western education but also the issues in the assumptions of the western value-systems. There have been mutations to our value-system much before that too. Even if many maintain the identity of Hindu, the default outlook of the past centuries is that of a remixed-Hinduism and not necessarily of a progressed-Hinduism. Hinduism inherently being a complex remix with a unified common substrate doesn't help with the confusion. And a remixed-substrate as a result of centuries has meddled with our value-judgements.]
D) Aren't all Hindu gods the same? Shouldn't the nature of one temple be same as the other, let it be Kerala or Odisha? No. That is not how Hinduism is. While one must show aversion to practices that are clearly harmful, one must also identify practices that make our gods unique and preserve them. Hinduism acknowledges the 'form-less property-less omnipresent god' simultaneously with the numerous gods who has specific forms and mythology behind them. It sustains a plethora of god-based -isms such as polytheism, pantheism, monotheism, agnostic, atheism and even deism. One can be Hindu with or without the Vedas, or any such texts. Hinduism maintains the individual's opportunity to question anything.
[That opportunity of the individual must not be conflated with the state's or any group's opportunity to remove any existing beliefs. A current system of democracy is a relatively newer mechanism which provides new kinds of opportunities which may not be about religion itself. One must use caution in identifying constructive opportunities. There is no formula for that discrimination power. One must analyze in detail without agenda. Let the agenda come from the analyses, and not prior to them.]
E) "#RightToPray" is a misnomer and a distortion of facts. What fits exactly is "#RightToEnterSabarimalaForWomenOfCertainAgeGroup". If omission of information to make it short is desired, what fits approximately is "#RightToEnter". No one is denied from the act of praying itself. What is being prohibited is the entry to the temple when one is a woman of a certain age group. The lack of intellectual honesty makes discussions less meaningful.
*Now, let us look at the main TWO cases where most of the pro-entry arguing sides would fit:*
1) You do not believe in god as an independent entity from human imagination, or does not believe so specifically about Ayyappa:
In this case, you rationally cannot demand to enter Sabarimala. You have no respectable objective to enter that place. Actually, you will have no interest in entering any religious place if you are an atheist. Stressing on tourism instead of devotion also makes you a non-devotee. If you are in the role of an anti-theist, and if still you demand to enter, then you would be suspected of ill-intentions. If you claim that you are trying to speak for other devoted women, then you lack the basic requirement for representing them by not realizing the reason why they have the devotion. You already have an outlook that is incompatible with them. A devotee would reasonably place Ayyappa above constitution. You lack that perspective. So, the individuals under case-1 can have no rational argument to put forth regarding temple entry of devotees or themselves.
[There is another argument that atheists and anti-theists can present, and it will be rational. That would be along the lines of totally removing any temple/worship from Sabarimala, and using that land well for state's productivity. Even though I might support such an argument, the ongoing discussion is not on that. Case-1-people will have to be #ready-to-wait for that kind of argument which opposes theism directly. There is some irony here.]
2) You believe in Ayyappa being a god whose history and mythology is known:
If you are such a devotee, then you are asking a genuine question about Sabarimala temple-entry regulations. The reply is this - if you are a genuine devotee of Ayyappa, then you will respect his decision of renunciation. You will act accordingly. The explanations are present mainly in {A,B,C} above. If you still have doubt, the knowledgeable person to ask is the Thantri who really knows about Ayyappa. Not the pseudo-intellectual and misinformed people who has no refined idea of Kerala & its mythologies. The following questions has the human tinge, but consider this - why would a god stay in a place where his decision is not respected by his devotees? To continue his vow of renunciation, wouldn't he have to move to another place where he can maintain his asceticism? What do the human ideas of sexism, patriarchy, left/right politics, communism, democracy, constitution etc. mean for a god?
[Note that the human "ascetics/sages/swamis" of the present age follow their own adulterated version of asceticism. They have relatively mellow lives and are not qualified to comment on the nature of renunciation that Ayyappa keeps. Except for the Thantri no one else is eligible. Even Thantri cannot make any major changes. What makes Ayyappa 'Ayyappa' must be preserved.]
**Disclaimer**: If anyone feels like showering abuse or telling nonsense as reply, please consider your words as reply for yourself. I am not a fan of silliness. I have put the effort to explain using as precise words as possible. Intelligent and coherent responses are welcome. Please note that I have made no mention of the nonsensical classifications of purity/impurity (It is a non-problem, a straw-man, a distortion of Ayyappa's stance on renunciation). I do not wish to turn this into a men-versus-women discussion. If Ayyappa was female and if she wanted to practice renunciation, then it could very well happen that no guys after reaching puberty can enter her temple. The importance of the temples are maintained also by their exclusivity.
Intelligentsia # so now verdict has come in 2018
Very logical explanation, thank you!
Loved the argument: that if they think he is sexist, don't go to his temple!
👏👏👏
I will support to faith & beliefs.
Brillient explanation..great.
NDTV is almost verge of closure in july 2020. No one watches NDTV . O stopped 5 years back
What is this anchor talking ? She says we don’t need to keep up our tradition? Really???
She is a pseudo feminist.
Nidhi is an idiot. But she doesn't want to talk about how women are treated in their religion. Women near Haj ali is considered sin.
she's tryna act all smart but years later she actually believed she got a job at Harvard because a random mail said so
Why is that NDTV does not show complete debates? Most of the debates on NDTV shown on TH-cam end abruptly. Why do you do that?
Agenda of last point
Thanks god we hindus have people like J sai Deepak for our representation
Otherwise everyone could openly defame our tradition in name of secularism.
Development should not be by screwing over your culture and traditions!! It is a tradition in Sabarimala since its inception that women having age btw 5-55 should not visit the temple and it may be for a cause. If someone does not believe in this, then for what purpose they wish to visit Sabarimala - for Pilgrimmage or for Honeymoon?
+ajay prasad > Know about the temple history and which mode of prathistta there , then you would understand why woman are not allowed ! go and study first !
+ajay prasad Stupid moron. Do you know when to use upper case and when not to? Did you cheat your way through all the English exams? What is that crap "Wos"? If you cannot type correctly, you should not type at all dumb ffing moron. And, you want to speak about women's periods?
+ajay prasad Stop blaming patriarchy you dumb effing idiot. You belong to no school of thought for your thoughts are so full of shit. Go get a lobotomy fucking moron.
if you consider that just women entering a temple makes it a place of honeynoon.... then you are the real shitty scumbag...who should be banned from entering the temple not women... if there is a reason then what is it you shitty potty mouthed moron..?thats what women are asking what is the reason idiot?
Robin, This is how Satan plans to destroy our culture and traditions by creating quarrels in the society among each other to make the whole of India into an atheistic nation.
J. Sai Deepak is an enlightened presence. Dharma shines as him, through him, by him. Dharmo rakshati rakshatah 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Sai Deepak 🙏🏻
We all need to be a Sai Deepak. We all need to fight this together.
Quoting sir Sai Deepak from another debate on the same issue, "Don't put secular logic in religious places because you will not tolerate religious logic in secular places." That ends the debate.
When Razdan can't stand the arguments promptly she plays THE VICTIM CARD.
Nidhi razdan and her boyfriend Omar Abdullah
you guys have to go to sabarimala first before saying anything about it and even before that, Mrs.Nidhi and Ranjana try understating who ayyapan is ? you guys are talking about rights of women only. If you were purpose of going to the temple was to worship , then you would have given some respect to what the Lord had said and what's written in the scriptures. Thankyou for being arrogant and blind as any other non devotee. 100 dislikes to u NDTV
Not a single Kerala women from s good house will go to sabarimala we should protest like people in Tamil Nadu against jalikattu judgement
The funny part is all north Indian women are suddenly realizing the oppression put upon Women in kerala. Suddenly ranjana and nidhi want to go to sabarimala.. even when they don't go to the temples right outside thier homes.
Just as there are some religious sites like Sabarimala which prohibit women/girls of a certain age group from entering its precincts, there are many such temples like the famous Kamakhya temple in Assam, which only allows women to enter. Will pseudo-feminists like Ranjana Kumari fight for the right of men to enter such temples ?
Moreover, all religions are based on individuals' faith and many of their practices many not be rational or even logical to some. Hence, unless a religious practice is inherently harmful to a section of society (like instant Triple Talaq is to Muslim women), there is not reason to raise a hue & cry in the garb of women's rights.
Some rituals can only be performed by men and some other rituals by women due to biological factors. So please understand this is not discrimination. They are rituals followed by our people since time immemorial based on their knowledge n experience as to what s good for the society. There s a difference between social evil n social practice. Social evil like dowry, sati etc are to be eradicated without second thought but not social practices as they are result of long drawn social experiments and have so much sentiment attached to them.
U believe sati was eradicated without second thought! You need to read a little bit about Bal Gangadhar Tilak's fight to end Sati. Thank God it was Britishers then . In current scenario even to ban sati huge debate would be going on. And dowry is not completely eradicated.
@Sachin Kumar : my reply was to Vidhya not to u. I replied because she said these evil were willing given up . That is not the case. Where in my comment did i mention shabarimala?
@Sachin Kumar : so according to u, if i dont comment on Sabarimala i should notbe commenting here. Second if u say "every1 is free to comment", dont I belong to this everyone? Third. What I infered from Vidhya's comment , i know best. With all due respect, who are u to decide its right or wrong
Seema, I know those social evils did not end on their own and only because of some forward thinking people, there was end to it and I won't even say they have ended. They are still continuing i this era also. So those eradication of social evils is must. But this Sabarimala issue is not discrimination or social evil issue. It is based on rule of bramacharya and even if a female goddess is practising bramacharyam then no male will be allowed to enter. People are comparing certain specific social rituals with social evils and that is where this confusion comes. I had never said those social evils ended on their own and people realised it all of a sudden. My only issue here is people are treating the Sabarimala issue and comparing it to some evil practice discriminating women when it is no where closer to the definition of social evil. Hope you understand.
@Sachin Kumar : looks like u have some problem interpreting my comments. If Vidhya would have replied, it would have been meaningful, as i was addressing her. I dont even understand , why for each and every statement i make , u have a argument. I never mention u, i never mentioned your beloved Sabarimala, i did not tell u should not comment to Vidhya not me and i have no problem whether u totally agree or disagree to Vidhya.
Sai Deepak knows what he's speaking....
There is a tradition, which is sole with respect to the deity of the temple....nothing constitutional or discriminatory about it
If you disturb the tradition of this temple, it is clearly against the article 25, Which is freedom of religeon
How can someone so biased and prejudiced be made a moderator of the discussion. Nidhi razdan who pays you? Absolutely attrotious
Some people here either lacks the basic understanding of the culture and traditions of India or pretending to do so by confusing it with gender equality.
God knows...
Educated illeterate......
Believes are believes no matter what.
I'm a law student
Nd I'm not afraid to say this..
If this is discrimination then pls take away all rules,beliefs and regulations from all temple,mosque and church....if not pls protect the uniqueness..
The real women devotee of lord Ayyappa will never disturb his own decision.
Sai Deepak knows what he's speaking....
There is a tradition, which is sole with respect to the deity of the temple....nothing constitutional or discriminatory about it
The head priest, Tantri and Pandalam royal family has only one motive to preserve the tradition that has been followed from centuries and to uphold the basic principles of the diety. Every diety in each temple is installed with a specific character and rituals to match his character. A diety is programmed to discharge cosmic energy to heal the devotees based on this character( bhaavam) and rituals ( Aaacharangal). If you disrupt it then the diety does not function as intended so any move to disrupt it is a move to destroy the very existence of Sabarimala temple. Ayappa diety installed in Sabarimala is different from Ayappa dities in other temples and each diety is unique. In Sabarima, the diety is in the form of nitya brahmachari ( eternal celebacy) in yoganidra. Ayyapa was a great yogi who lived a human life and he attained moksha and dissolved in to Sastha who is the diety formed from lord Shiva and Vishnu. Ayyapa is different from Sasta and only thing that is common is that Ayyapa attained enlightenment and became one with Sasta in his eternal yoga nidra and he is present in this specifc form in Sabarimala. It is the fundamental right of a diety who should also be considered as a citizen to enjoy his/her interest in his/her home which is the sanctum santorium and the temple. As per temple architecture the whole temple is considered as the body of the diety where the sanctum sanctorium is consired as the point where teh soul resides, his feet is the flag post, the inner and outer circles of sanctum sactorium is considered as the faceof the diety and so on all parts of the temple is symbolic of the body of the diety. There is absolutely no political motive and this is all based on Kerala temple architecture and rituals which has been prescribed by Adi Sankaracharya and lord Parasurama. Malikapurathamma the form of godess is eternally waiting outside his sanctum sanctorium for him to come out of yoga nidra and receive her and this wait will continue to eternity because lord Ayyapa has dissolved his consciousness with the supreme soul , called moksha or the attainment of the highest level of oneness with God and became God himself.This is the reason of very stric rituals and 41 days of celebacy and rituals followed by devotees to climb the holy 18 steps. The 18 steos are considered 18 things we should attain to become one with God and at this stage what you realize is Tatvamasi means I and you are one and we are mirror images of each other. A devotee following his 41 days of self control and devotion realizes that he is seeing in the diety his own perfect form. Sabarima cause has nothing to do with violation of fundamantal rights or on treating women different from men. If Ayyapa was a woman who wanted to maintain celebacy, definitel men would not be allowed that all it is all about
Sabarimala is temple with a purpose in its ritual. Men take the vows of abstinence to take a break from worldly pleasures to find the element of the Divine within themselves 'thatwamasi'. They return to their worldly life after taking 'darshan' and live life to the fullest with the true meaning. The 41 days of penance happens with the support of the whole family. Isn't this a great thing? Isn't this verdict snatching the essence of a Hindu practice? Where in the world can Hindus to live their life go if it is not allowed in this country?
Intolerance is myth, inequality is a myth.
Nidhi razdan pls fight for all religion. If you can highlight in all place then you are talking for righteous and equality. But you cannot talk abt other discrimination in other religion.
And Mrs. Ranjana , I think if you speak more without knowing anything about Sabarimala or the deity there, you would have to expect more hashthrongs coming your way.
A simple rule of thumb regarding entry into someone's property is this - If they say, we do not want you to come to our house/property then why argue that you need to enter it at any cost. Don't you have some shame that "Damn, they are not inviting us. So, let's just stay away"??? Ugh!!
dont let the activist hear this because she is gonna make a political issue why she cannot enter your home .. this is 21th century she can go anywhere she wants .. I am getting sick of this type of activists
I'd love to see these women discuss why women aren't allowed into mosques and why Christian women cannot be popes in the same light that they're discussing "discrimination against women" with respect to the Sabrimala Temple. What a load of nonsense from Ranjana Kumari, Nidhi Razdan and Vasanth Kannibaran!
Sai Deepak J is a gem❤️❤️
Yes, this is true. Prior to 1991, and after 1947, women used to enter, of all ages. This was the basis of the case filed against the Travancore Devasom Board in 1991 - that they are failing to protect the customs, and uphold the vow of Ayappan, which they are duty bound to do. The women who entered the temple are usually well connected, from the families of officials, bureaucrats and politicians. Commoners never adopted this practice en masse in respect of the customs. It was the outcry of the devotees against this violation of customs that led first to a devaprasnam, and then a case in the HC. The HC then upheld tradition, and made the unfortunate decision to enforce it via law, adding another layer to this tangle between faith and government. So, the entry of women was always against the norm/custom. The same can be evidenced from the now famous Ward & Conner report by the British in 1816, where they document that a temple exists where young women do not go, but old women and children alike are free to journey.
LOL , WHY NIDHI IS EVEN HERE ? SHOULDN'T SHE BE IN HARVARD? 😁😁😁😁
Misuse of Feminism
Why women want to visit this temple if diety doesn't want to meet them ?? It is like forcing yourself inside the house of someone where someone is not interested in meeting you.
Now question on books where it is written, Hinduism is not Islam that it has one book that is it, Hinduism is evolving natural religion with most knowledge orally transmitted from one to another.
Books etc..what non sense.
Why don't women go in devi temples or build new devi temples for mata supreme, for Ragyna mata and make them exclusive for women open all days all ages during periods, during pregnancy.
Fact is most temples were built by men but women can also build now in 21st century and build for supreme mother. 🙏
Ban on Women..???
Wrong Statement..
No women are banned in SABARIMALA...
Only those women of particular age is prohibited...
Please do not give misinterpretations....
Male are not also allowed in Kamakhya temple during yoni Puja.
Its Hindu culture anyone can screw it in this country no one has the guts to ask any other religion
Beef ban citing cow as good ( not for other religions) so basically enforcing a rule on others based on one religion. Triple talaq. So yeah...all religions are being forced to do what govt likes..
Legends say Ravish Kumar takes off when J Sai Deepak is called for debate on NDTV.
Swamiyeeeeee saranamayyappoooo....end of discussion..pls leave our diety alone
So happy we can expect to see better governance at NDTV
People like ranjana kumari this is there bread & butter......without these they won't survive, without understanding anything these designer experts debate
sai deepak is right
If you want to change traditions and end discrimination, Lets change all !!!!
1. Women should be allowed to tie Mangalsootra and men should wear it
2. Married Men should wear kunkuma
3. Let Men tie rakshabandhan around Women wrists and get the gifts in return
4. During Karva Chaut Husband should fast and look at wife through the sieve
5. Let Women become poojari in temples
6. After marriage, the Husband's last name should be the Wife's first name and wife's last name should never change.
Make all of the above a law and end discrimination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They just want to understand a logical argument and keep on raising the issue of oppression against women
Right of admission restricted is legitimate. Why women wants to enter when it is not allowed by some tradition?. I do not understand. This "my right" is ultimate is ridiculous. We have so many things women can do without entering the temple. Time has come to treat women with some force legally - Let there is no law which is soft on women. I have lost all soft corner to women and treat women as threat to my existence. I am losing my job because company is hiring women . Women are promoted , women has special program for leadership. WOMEN WOMEN WOMEN every where. I urge men to stand up and fight for your right. Just being WOMEN is meritorious now a days.
No one blames Item girl who is charging 5 cores for a 6 min dance. But they cry this as OBJECTIFICATION. Today's women are confused a lot .
Hey NDTV why are you biased in your journalism against temples
It's NDTV.
Funded by left, liberal chuts, commie, pislam cocksuckers
The name itself reads, RNDTV.I think that's enough
Sabarimala is a symbol of national integrity as all religious people are accepted there is one can take 41 days vratham ; Women Below 10 and above 50 are also allowed inside the temple
Few Thoughts that come to the mind assuming women are allowed inside
1. Do we have enough facilities in sabarimala for Young Women ( No Proper Accommodation , No Clean Bath rooms )
2. We have all possibilities of anti elements intentionally screwing up the place getting young women ; We have no clue what all they are capable of
3. This issue has been politcised by a section of people who doesnt know any jack about sabarimlala
Please leave it to the temple administration to decide ; Dont Politicise this Issue
srijithtirur
QQQQQQQQQD decide can ended xdc2
Sometime women lose the sensibility and hold on to victimhood
-Its a ladies college…!
-soo wat ?it is a college a place to study only know….
Why are you not allowing men inside Its a descrimination
You all know its not…its jus being sensible and adehrring to fact tat it is dedicatied only to women
Are we men feeling descriminated wen it comes to temples only dedicated to women
Nooo! Becos its not descrimination
People who feel women are descriminated in sabrimala dont understand anythg regarding spirituality and diety
Trust me the Bindi on the forehead is just for effect.
Yes we had to identify these bastards
True. After this discussion that Big Bindi lady is in decline and nowhere to see nowadays.. It was Lutyens Delhi leftist influence what made her like that .. Now she can be countered by 7th class student as well
Sorry to say but these women's arguments are laughable at best.
Mr Deepak made it very clear that only in this certain temple women of menstrual age are not allowed because in this certain temple Lord Ayyapa is in the form of a Brahmachari. Also there are temples where men are not allowed and we totally respect that but damn these modern feminists kept howling at him with childish argument of so called discrimination. Anyway not much to expect from the guests appearing on NDTV.
First of all hindu practices are not based on faith on God, nor hindu temples are places of worship, they are they are designed for self transformation, sabarimala temple and tradition is designed to men to practice bhramacharya
Government plz give us permission to enter in temple eating Flesh....
what's the explanation for this,it's obviously the same thing here it's the RULE to preserve the deity.
Sai Deepak says how can you not make a debate on hajiv Ali tharga but can have debate about Sabarimala on day of sangrathi, rightly said sir
I was one of those you thought NDTVwas the right channel. How wrong I was
Kerala is a state where there is almost 100% literacy among women. Almost all women of kerala are against this s c verdict allowing women entry. People like ranjana kumaari and vasanth kannabiran have only superficial knowledge about this temple, where, lakhs of women worship Ayyappa every year. Let them come to kerala and ask every women about their stand and why they take such a stand. Only a few from communist family don't mind going to sabarimala. The communists, as we know, basically are non-believers in god. The women in kerala don't feel any discrimination b'coz they have enough knowledge about sabarimala, but people like ranjana Kumari and vasanth kannabiran think that there is discrimination b'coz they don't have enough knowledge about the shrine.
The celibate nature of the deity and the abstinence of devotes from all worldly pleasures(that is what is called 'vritha ') complement one another.
A humble request to people like ranjana and vasanth to visit a few malayali family and get enough knowledge about this 'unique' temple where every devotee is considered as God itself.
Once again I am reminding people like ranjana and vasanth that your arguments are borne out of ignorance about 'this particular temple'.
Classical NDTV debate ..3 panelists along with the biased anchor hanging up against sai
These ladies are coming up with the facts... They are prejudiced about opression on women. Ofcourse opression is there but not on this temple matter....
In India there are some temples where men are not allowed , for example BHAGAWATI MAA temple in kanya kumari, and BHAGWATI MAA temple in chenganur (kerala)....
maddy lucky well that should change. Men should be allowed in this temple
how come u people r fighting for this, there will be a certain rule and regulation, from past so many years u people r not showed interest how come suddenly showing after improvement of the temple, it should be from begining if u, I will agree, but not instantly, I oppose the Supreme Court decision
0:37 Deepak regretting....kahan phas gayaa main in low quality debates mein aur upar se yeh baised anchor mujhe bolne ka mauka bhi nai deti..🤣
Rahul and Deepak dont need to be here... They need to be between more better, more knowledgeble debate panel, where they can impart their deep understanding of the issue and do quality debates..
Debating with this panel is like Lara and Sachin playing with school kids where umpire is partial towards the kids...
NDTV you can't stop Deepak sir .....He will speak the truth with fact and logic.....which will change the philosophy of your 21st-century channel Nidhi Razdan
pls give more time to ppl who are knowlegable like sai deepak. rest are just for fun without any knowledge
Sunil Yadav you nailed it
This is not at all discrimination.
What all other problems are there in India, why people always go behind religion, tradition and customs??
Hello Nidhi, I'm a feminist and women's rights activist but I strongly condemn your views. Advocate sai Deepak is not saying women are lustful objects or evil. He is saying that for a man, a woman is a distraction to celibacy and for a woman a man is a distraction to her celibacy. If mother Mary wanted to veil herself and not allow any man to enter then it's her right. The same way there are temples where men are not allowed to enter because they should not be present for those rituals. You can never understand Hinduism with western ideology
Sai deepak is enough for 100 channels like END-IT-TV. 😂
The amount of knowledge ranjana kumari has about our dharma is equivalent to my contribution in the making of Russian Constitution.
J Sai Deepak brought in the same argument in the end, which Hari Easwar denied as their original argument: Haji Ali Dargah. J Sai Deepak borders between flowery articulation and crafty arrogance.
Sai has singularly respected and listened to more than all staff of NDTV
*Main Content start at **8:30** Thank me later.*
If u make a note that these penalist do not have enough knowledge about Lord ayyapa temples....woman penalist are pro communist ideology .In the name of social activist these people enhance the communist ideology.
Worst debate I have seen ,NDTV always trys to give chance to these communist .
J sai Deepak sir have explained it well in other channels .
Razdan has an agenda so she never let sai Deepak speak. Hypocrite she is.
जे.साई दीपक जिने धो डाला 👍keep it up sir.
Most intelligent and tremendous people Deepak sir
never ever going spoil our tradition as well culture
Miss the old days , when debates used to be unpolitical and unscripted.
So, 3 years ago, j.sai deepak was older...come on man! God bless u even more.💙💙
Now I see why it’s called Kali Yuga
Here for J Sai Deepak. Kudos and more power to you.Keep Shining and let Sanatan Dharma shine for eternity.
I am here for Sai Deepak.
Common sense is not common for all..
first of all.... it's not... no women... it's just age regulation
plz understand tht
Like Nidhi's philosophy?In Kerala before 35 years Muslim were not wearing burkha. Now all Muslim women are wearing burkha in Kerala. Your type of evolvement?