Rajeev malhotra has become the legend of hindu pride by his work. He has written many books like: 1- Breaking India 2- Being different 3- Indira's Net 4- Battle for Sanskrit 5- Academic Hinduphobia I have read these books and i am amazed to read his books. He has done a great service to our Bharat... Thank you sir... You are modern shankaracharya by your work for uniting Bharat ...
8:35to14:40.. excellent description.. Ayappaswami had a great vision when He put in the rule of restricting women in the menstruating cycle years and also men who do not adhere to the 41 day vrata from enteringng the Sannidhanam..I am looking forward to a retake and maintaining of Shabarimala rules tomorrow .. Swamiye Sharanamaiyappa 💓
Sabarimala is not controversy , it was made controversial intensionally... Nothing is there to discriminate women in that...We r allowed in all temples and we respect the rituals of sabarimala temple..
Its just not only about Ayodha verdict or Sabarimala judgement. Main point is that whether do we respect the rituals and do we really believe them or just we want to keep writing in religion column as Hindu.
Wake up call...who created this wake up call? Who files the case in supreme court? The drama of RSS keralites well known...check the data's behind this drama...
Please Aiyapa save sabrimala from these abrahamic religion. These women are converts. True hindu will never never do this havoc. Pla preserve the cultue.
This. This is the problem. This is what we did when Mehmud of Ghaznavi was on his way to break idol of Somnath temple - Lord somnath ! please help ! please save this place! Nobody will come but yourself to fight evil. Ayappa gave you the brain now it is time to use it. This Puranic mockery of Sanatan Dharm is ruining lives. We have forgotten what is dharma and confused it with religion. WAKE UP!!
Earlier I used to think in Sabrimala case SC stand is correct as it differentiate, but then after reading and Breaking India and other similar books I realised it's the forces specially missionary, Leftist working against Hindu rituals to destroy it. It should be protected, based on Ayodhya case petition should be filed where Lord Ayappa should file petition for Right to Privacy and Right to the Property.
Let's have a dharmic revolution. It should be from within. Not just by talks and follow holy books, but by action. Ayyappa swami is considered by many astrologers to be the Lord who wld give protection to the people living in Kali Yuga including Lord Hanuman and Lord Ganesha. We need to give due respect to the Agama sastras and the traditional beliefs followed. Let's build Dharmic India as it was in pre Mughal era with modernity. Swamiye Saranam Ayyappa !!! Jai Shri Ram !!!
Law of land is to protect the traditional cultural heritage values of the very land. Time to think about drafting indigenous constitution.... rather than holding on to carbon copy of collection of foreign practices.
Thanks a lot to Rajivji. You are creating so much awareness. In a way we should thank for what has happened. Many in India were hardly aware of these customs and ruled in favour of seculars.
Many people from tamil nada, karnataka, etc walk from their states to pattanamtita kerala BY FOOT the entire way. Without shoes or chapalls. This is the devotion of the people to Sri Ayappan! This cannot be changed to appease marxists.
JOBISH JOSE oh cmon 🤓😎.. we have tantra vidya peetha for brahmins and the lower casts in north kerala which is still prevalent .. so keep your pseudo point of view away .. and do some research... most of the slokas in vedas are contributed by women ..
At t = 9:30, Swamiji makes the point that "devalaya" means devata's house. Rajiv elaborates that Allah does not live in a mosque, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does not live in a church.
Fervently hope the new seven member bench listens to this discussion. It could be that for other nations nurtured by different cultures and faith systems, the imperatives are different. But for us, in order for the Sanatana Dharma to survive, two of our freedoms are paramount: Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Worship Path.
Very informative talk! It's high time to make change/reform in the Indian constitution as per the requirements of the Dharmic traditions which covers Snatan Dharma, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism. Experts and spiritual leaders of all the Dharmas should be consulted to make necessary changes.
Swamyai Sharanam Ayyappa ,we are means Ayyappa devotees hopefull on # save Sabarimala Vratanustam and Prathista sankalpam in Sabarimala temple rituals ,# verdict
When will janam TV and RSS men stop using the word viswasam This is the word which became s burden to the Hindu cause It's a trap into which the Hindus have fallen In Hinduism the word is sankalpa auspicious mentation It is used to prevent human mind from having vikalpa inauspicious negative mentation Pagan people never accept the shit of a word like viswasa belief comes from the Semitic religions So sankalpas are innumerable Ayappa sankalpa is such one In ayappa sankalpa itself devotees have the freedom to have many upasankalpas Ayappa as the confirmed celibate in yogic bhava is such one we can accept it or reject it If we do not accept the concept we can go to other sankalpa s There is no meaning in going to shabarimala after destroying the bhava there in accordance with western political correctness which accepts Semitic monotheism as the default norm in matters of religion
GOD , Sanatana Dharma Panentheism not to be confused with pantheism. www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/9/verse/4 th-cam.com/video/OFGFxUoz8Mw/w-d-xo.html www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/4/verse/6
GOD , Sanatana Dharma Panentheism,not to be confused with pantheism. www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/9/verse/4 th-cam.com/video/OFGFxUoz8Mw/w-d-xo.html www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/4/verse/6
You need to explain your understanding in more detail, including the meaning of technical terms, so that unfamiliar people like me from North India can property grasp your points.
Thank you so much for bringing this informative topic Sir 🙏 It's really a great video to watch and understand the SABRIMALA, it's practices and historical facts.
I know it is too late thinking about it but @rajiv ji can we do something about this? Like in other western countries can we create a petition and ask as many Hindus to sign and pass on to government to bring in few constitutional amendments?
My mind stop working. Across the length and breadth of the country: Ladhak to Kanyakumari, Gujarat to Manipur. The story is same: anti-sanatan dharma. All happened after 1947. Didn't know an iota about Sabarimala, Kerala, Christian, Muslims. What was cooking up in the state?
@Thuglife Lord Ram wants his devotees to arise and do our Dharma,negating and identifying the influences and propaganda of Adharmic Cryptochristian jihadis machinery.
Everything the swami said was correct. But our Constitution will not allow this as a temple may not be a govt. place but is a religious place. And religion is equal to everyone accordn to the constitution. So I think the lawyer should come with something which is more accurate acrdn to the constitution to save this tradition.
That is what the two scholars have discussed herein. The secular court cannot determine the manner of observing the covenant between the deity and his devotees. In his or her residence, a judge can decide whether or not to allow visitors of the opposite gender. This temple is the abode of the deity who shall receive only the devotees who have followed the prescribed austerities, which women of menstruating age cannot observe.
The Court cannot in justice, interpret and enforce the worship practice of a spiritual path in the Sanatana Dharma , which holds that there can be as many paths as there are seekers.
How can a secular (non religious) court/government intervene in a religious worship, especially when there absolutely isnt any activity of Himsa or inhuman practices etc etc.. Thats against Dharma... and a greatest Sin... Why would that rule apply to every mosque or church or practices from other religions etc etc..
The persons who were involved in decision making were not enlightened into the actual traditions of upasana padhyati of a specific diety as enshrined in the Shadhtras
Swamiji, my grandmother said young women voluntarily stayed away from Ayyappa to honor his wish of Brahmacharya and to repent the actions of his stepmother and Maalikappuram. No truth in it? Women in Kerala don't go to temples when they menstruate. No temple needs to come up with a new rule to achieve something that is already achieved! Menstruation was picked up because liberals saw the endless possibilities of distortions and rhetoric. Physical hygiene is distorted into a 'purity' issue. I hope the intellectuals wash up before going out in the public!
Swamiji missed the point that this issue was fought already in the High Court of Kerala and Judgement denying permission to women of certain age group came in 1992 or so. This practice was followed till the 2018 judgment.
Very important points brought in by guru. Supreme court did conduct the trial unjustly. SC failed demonstrating commonsense. Hope leaders of Hindu tradition will take up appeal on this verdict.
Even males are not allowed to go to the temple without taking their vrita of 41 days and only with the pre-preparation men are asked to go. Needless to repeat the restriction in the age restriction on women as another prescription.
I am also of the view that the part of the constitution or it's application where it is not in coherence with our samskaras and well calibrated paramparas should be gone or atleast amended.
I would even have accepted a SC judgement requiring the local state legislative assembly (without any Whip) to clarify the application of the law in this case.
I am admirer of Hindutva ideology, but I am totally in support of women's entry. People who oppose womens entry in temple , citing tradition, are the same people who said crossing seas or eating beef(even forcibly) will lead to expulsion from Hinduism, leading to ppl converting to Islam. I will refute every single point. 1) Aiyappa being a brahmachaari - bramhacharya means avoiding marriage or sexual relations or sexual thoughts . It is not about avoiding women. Tell me a single swami/ascetic ever in hinduism, who said I won't meet or bless women? 2. Yes , 41 days vrata. Fair enough. Women can't complete it due to menstrual cycle? So? Tradition also says women during periods can't enter temple. Should we legislate a law to enforce it? Should we have lady guards outside temple who will check if women have periods? 3. What about women who cannot have periods due to medical procedures? For example, my mom had her uterus removen by 45, but she couldn't enter Sabarimala till 50. Isn't it a violation of both constitutional and religious right to bar such people? 4. Does the law ensure all men take 41 day vrata? I know people who do 7-10 days vrata. Some even wear footwear. What will you do in such cases? 5) Vrata is applicable only for people who carry irumudi kettu and enter through padinetaam padi. Vrata is not needed at all for those entering through side door. Why not allow women there? 6) If aiyappa doesn't want to see women, why is women entry allowed at Aryankaavu and achenkovil? Ultimately, there are many unwritten codes in Hinduism. Like not eating non veg before temple entry, avoiding visit during periods. Iis upto people to follow it. No 3rd person or state should have rights to dictate what to do. People who still blindly oppose womens entry, please wake up. Preventing women from entering temple won't save hinduism. And, no, I am not a communist, and I voted for BJP in 2019. So don't call me communist and all.
It is not for you or me or the secular state to decide on changing the age old tradition. It is the faith of the devotees that the terms of the covenant had been fixed by Swamy Ayyappa himself. There is the oft-quoted E. I. Company surveyors' report which attested that two hundred years back, the rule was the same that small girls and old women made the pilgrimage, but not women of menstruating age. Every deity can have a unique persona and individual preferences. Clearly, Ayyappa wanted that his vratha - dhari devotees, who were otherwise householders ,not be distracted by the presence of young women during their visit.
They cited belief not just tradition. Belief is that in this particular temple ayaapa is practicing brahmcharya. There are other Ayappa temples which women can visit if they want to worship him. I don't see the problem. It's not a feminist issue at all.
@@thehawkseye3412 what is brahmacharya? It means avoiding sexual thoughts,relations,activities. It doesn't mean avoiding women? And do you have any proof that aiyappa didn't want to see women ? Any malayalam texts, records?
The deities in the temples are NOT merely stone structures.. They are LIVE God!!... Thats the Bhava and such is the reception of divine energy and experience to the pure devotees who enter the temple premises and take Dharshan of the Lord in the temples.. and those with immense faith and realization..
Supreme court has time to interfere in the affairs of one temple in one corner of india that has some ritual that they deem unequal, when millions of cases urgent cases are pending for decades.they hv reduced the dignity of the institution and made the judicial system a cruel joke
Identity crisis is the root cause of World, and everything there of. If a person, society loses identity, she or they are bound to be invaded & "transformed" (not by self but by others) for the next in line. This is death principle. Thus immortality is not physical but a Continuity beyond mortal form (Transcending the Form by Self). Hindu is not a Self transformed culture. Sanatana is Self Transforming culture. So, to identify with the DNA is the way out. It's not going back, but forward - Transform in to the New world! Free DNA (Temples), Free RNA (Sanyasis - promote authentic Thinkers by support), Free Heart (Experience of Sanatana / the Immortal & Eternal)...
In my view, Sabarimala case was not correctly argued. Let us consider a few things : 1. There are temples where feminine dimensions are invoked. In such temples entry of biological males is restricted. Males are not supposed to enter the sanctum of Bhairavi Temples. 2. Aghama of Sabarimala is said to be not conducive for women of reproductive age. However, such ill effects depend upon several factors including the physical state (like time of menstrual cycle), length of exposure to such Aghamas and so on. So, although not conducive, still one can argue that women can still enter. 3. However, the most important point that was omitted during argument in SC was the aim of building this temple. There are 6 Ayappan temples and only the Ayappan temple of Sabarimala restricts entry of women of reproductive age. Here the deity is a Naistika Brahmachari (eternal Brahmachari). Ayappan does not care about women. Then why is the house rule restricting entry of women of reproductive age? It is because Ayappan teaches his devotees Brahmacharya. Men are under powerful control of male hormones. Our forefathers knew that it is extremely powerful as it ensures continuum of the species. However, for a good society, a good control over male hormones is also needed. That allows men to experience the subtle. So, through 41 days of rituals, the men practice a better control over sex hormones and Ayappan wants it to be without any distraction. It is to be appreciated here that all men don't have equal levels of control over sexuality. So, the house rule is there to allow men that space for their own enhancement as well as for a better society. So, this is not about gender discrimination as 99% of the temples allow both genders while 1% of the temples restrict either the entry of men or women in accordance with specific purposes. 4. Menstruation is not the issue as we all recognize that we are born because our mothers have / had menstrual cycles. So, menstruation is worshipped in Kamakhya temple of Assam. Hindus do not shun from recognizing that we have a body and that body has biological needs. But we also understand that it should be at the periphery and should not be our front end. That makes the difference between human and other animals. we search for deeper dimensions of life. That is why in many temples the outside walls have erotic sculptures. You see and acknowledge it as a peripheral issue and rise beyond it and enter the temple to search for deeper dimensions. That is why, there are no erotic sculptures inside.
What for ? Into which caste they will be accomadated? bhramins? kshatriyas? or vaisyas? One simply cannot become a hindu on a fine morning, a caste attachment has to be there,without caste it is impossible to be a hindu.Most likely option is lower castes( avarnas), so that, they too can be socialy,politically, economically and culturally discriminated for thousands of years?
Has anyone considered the fact that Lord Aiyappa might have changed His mind? Otherwise how will He allow the Honourable Supreme Court to pass such a judgement? Maybe we are all in defiance of Lord Aiyappa's present day wishes.
Abhilash Nambiar Lol! Even in that case he would most probably allow his devotees who are in millions vs these 5 judges. This is a typical slave mentality of a pacifist colonized mind, thinking afterall there are so many good results of invasion and being colony. Mugals brought tandoori chicken and British created railways and bridges for us.
1. Supreme court are not the authority to decide that 2. Lord Ayyapa (Ram, Krishna, or or any of the Avataars of Hinduism) isn't your so called 'All-Powerful' sky-dictator in the Abrahamic mould. They have all been people who lived in the world, and subject to the laws of Karma (Causality). They are worshipped as Avataaras as they were 'realized' beings (of course, with colourful narrative spun around their lives as 'ithihaasas')
Abhilash etta ~ Well, You are basically asking an incorrect question, almost akin to 'Who says earth is moving around the sun?' or 'Why not consider earth is flat for moment?' I highly recommend that you read the book " Breaking India " first, which is a culmination of 5 years of exhaustive, painstaking research that details the first ever, so called, 'entry' of christianity in to Dakshina Bharat, especially Kerala & Tamizh Nadu & how the jesuits gradually & steadily came up with a long-term strategy, devised multi-pronged, multi-layered, capricious plans of exploiting the fault-lines of our Samskriti and then use them as means to bring in the gospel to the people through backdoor. I used think much like you do, but that book, helped me connect the dots, shattered the false foundation that I stood on all these years & completely changed my life. So, it is my humble request that you pick up that book, read it from the beginning to the very end. And of course, THEN you're well placed to challenge the logic of that book & perhaps even this video. Nanni! :)
@@Aj9996 Ithihasas of Dharma Avatars of Lord Vishnu ,Rama and Krishna, teaches the difference between Karma and Dharma, and the path to Moksha, liberation from bondage to Maya.
Saanathana Dharma always teaches self discipline. So let who ever say whatever. If we Hindus believe and self impose a regulation of women who are of mesturating age not to enter the temple, who can do what. Also based on the fact that Swami Ayyappa is living in the temple Just like Ram Lulla in case of Ayodhya why not file an appeal in Supreme court again. I think Dr Swamy and his team are right people to really think on these lines technically.
Fundamental error is to group all as "Abrahamic Faiths". In the Catholic and Syro-Malabar Orthodox churches there is tabernacle where God lives. That's why there is red light or candle perpetually lit.. This is under the Latin and Eastern rites churches where transubstantiation takes place during the Eucharistic prayers. Rajiv Malhotra in his younger days should have visited Our Lady of Vailankanni Basilica near Nagapattnam where you would have come to know this as a true fact of holiness and divine nature. Where the Holy Eucharistic is fully exposed in a monstrance, people required to kneel and bow in respect. Otherwise Eucharistic kept in the tabernacle with a red light. Sign that Lord Jesus lives. Rajiv's analysis of a mosque and other churches where there are no such tabernacles he is right. He also needs to be careful and respect the tabernacle of a Jewish Synagogue if any left in India. There might be one in Mumbai. To be checked. Being respectful is a double edge sword. It would be wrong for Rajiv to be judge and jury at the same time.
Facts can be presented partially in a manner to construct a narrative suited to a certain party. I am pasting a section from a Hindu newspaper report on Sabarimala. You can decide what is tradition and what is not "There was virtually no restriction on women’s entry until the Kerala High Court upheld in 1991 the restriction of women aged between 10 and 50 into the temple. It said that this was in accordance with a usage from “time immemorial”. The court observed that women would be unable to do penance for 41 days due to menstruation. The ban was also based on the belief that Lord Ayyappa, a celibate, would not approve of young women flocking to Sabarimala. There is neither ritual sanctity nor any scientific justification for this stipulation. For the tribal people, menstruation was considered a symbol of fertility. Women and children went to the temple till the sixties. Archival records also show that young, upper-caste women from the Travancore region entered the temple till the eighties. While it is true that they abstained from entering holy places during menstruation, it is equally true that most male pilgrims today are least aware of the tradition of observing penance for 41 days. Many hardly observe the restrictions on meat, alcohol and sex. So, why are traditional observances binding for women alone?"
Yes it is true that there are massive onslaughts on the Dharmic traditions all over India by evangelist & proselytizer people with the great amount money from the Western & Arab countries
Hmm so we can now start arguing about why women are not allowed into mosques or women canno become popes? I wonder why as a religion only hinduism is always subject to discussion and as far a discussion goes its great if there is a desire to learn But the discussion regarding hinduism and hindus always looks to degrade and wantedly disrespect age old logical and belief based customs and rituals
Ignorant judges on a matter of specific practice have erred in their judgement! Unfortunate that they did not take humility to allow people with knowledge in the matter to deliberate the intricacies of these rituals specific to a temple! So the verdict was badly advised!
These SWAMIJI do not have complete understanding of how blind beliefs like ISLAM and Christianity looks at MURTHI of HINDU God. They think the MURTHI as IDOL - a mere stone !!!!!!!!!!!! But in Hindu philosophy it is totally different. So why do these SWAMIJIS refer them as IDOLS instead of describing them in their original SANSKRIT term MURTHI ? In this way you are already playing into their narration .
But rajiv dir don't u think these Orthodox things based on some illogical , irrational believes have to evolve according to the time?? This is not the real hinduism.. the real hindu philosophy is very democratic ,very rational, very logical. Please adapt the actual rational philosophies of our upanishads.. otherwise hinduism won't need outsiders to extinct.
Let us stop beating around the bush. It is time somebody openly said that the king (in this case the judges of the apex court) are naked. The 2018 verdict by the bench of the apex court was unconstitutional being violative of article 26 of the Constitution (Article 26 in The Constitution Of India 1949 26. Freedom to manage religious affairs Subject to public order, morality and health, every religious denomination or any section thereof shall have the right (a) to establish and maintain institutions for religious and charitable purposes;). If the court had to interfere with religious practices and faith based on gender equality it had to correct the bias in article 25(2)(b) (providing for social welfare and reform or the throwing open of Hindu religious institutions of a public character to all classes and sections of Hindus). Worse, it was also improper in that it was a review of another verdict by a five member bench of the same court more than a decade earlier and which had attained finality due to it not being contested then. For a more elaborate evaluation of the performance of our courts, especially in the context of the Sabarimala verdict, please read my articles ‘Nero fiddled while Rome burnt’, 4 November 2018 at www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=4849 and 'Our constitutional fault lines', 23 November 2018 at vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=4868
The women who believe in God would automatically abide and respect the traditions of sabrimala.. The women and men who think that the tradition is somewhat against the new laws of FEMINISM are simply not religious person..They want to put a statement out there in the world landscape to show their empowered status even though some of it is degrading to their own culture and tradition and what makes them indian.....This is not empowerment this is just fascism camouflaged as secularism and gender equality...This whole thing is BS..It's like going to zoolo or Maori tribe in Africa and telling them that since the world has so much developed that now you people should also change your primitive ways of living as it offend our civilizational sophistication....
Shabarimala was a Buddhist temple.Many prominent Hindu temples in Kerala were once Buddhist or Jain places of worship or gathering. ... You can still see many deities in temples in Kerala are altered versions of Buddha. Look at the hand gesture of Sabarimala Ayyappa for example
Even if you are correct, the Buddhists have no concept that puja is wrong, rituals are wrong, itihasa-purana is wrong and so on. In fact, they themselves like Ramayana, they do dhyana etc.
Stop regurgitating what sunil ilayidam chews and spits into Kerala youth's mouth. think for yourself. even if Buddhism/Jainism has any ties to the temple at all, what is its relevance now? did you know 'your' Buddhist' temple was burned down in the '50s and the current temple was newly built?
Women Today : I want to go to sabarimala because men are going there to get the darshan of swami. Next day : Now I want to go to men's toilet also. Because men go there. I want to have a darshan of........... in men's toilet. If I can't enter men's toilet for darshan, it's gender bias.It's my constitutional right.
Rajeev malhotra has become the legend of hindu pride by his work. He has written many books like:
1- Breaking India
2- Being different
3- Indira's Net
4- Battle for Sanskrit
5- Academic Hinduphobia
I have read these books and i am amazed to read his books. He has done a great service to our Bharat...
Thank you sir...
You are modern shankaracharya by your work for uniting Bharat ...
Everyone should read Rajivijs books to know about breaking forces
thanks a lot Rajiv ji ..words cant express, how thankful i am...
8:35to14:40.. excellent
description..
Ayappaswami had a great vision when He put in the rule of restricting women in the menstruating cycle years and also men who do not adhere to the 41 day vrata from enteringng the Sannidhanam..I am looking forward to a retake and maintaining of Shabarimala rules tomorrow ..
Swamiye Sharanamaiyappa 💓
Shubha Varrier we will win
Sabarimala is not controversy , it was made controversial intensionally... Nothing is there to discriminate women in that...We r allowed in all temples and we respect the rituals of sabarimala temple..
The Western imperialist forces funded the radical Hinduphobic leftists that made Sabarimala an issue.
Haritha m you are right sister
Absolutely. Men are not participating in Attukal pongala. It is not any discrimination.
The Sabarimala judgement is a wake-up call to all sleeping Hindus
Its just not only about Ayodha verdict or Sabarimala judgement.
Main point is that whether do we respect the rituals and do we really believe them or just we want to keep writing in religion column as Hindu.
Wake up call...who created this wake up call? Who files the case in supreme court? The drama of RSS keralites well known...check the data's behind this drama...
@@thakursatish100 well said
@@jobythomas227 you are allowed to advise to our religion .
Please Aiyapa save sabrimala from these abrahamic religion. These women are converts. True hindu will never never do this havoc. Pla preserve the cultue.
GOD , Sanatana Dharma
www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/9/verse/4
th-cam.com/video/OFGFxUoz8Mw/w-d-xo.html
www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/4/verse/6
This. This is the problem. This is what we did when Mehmud of Ghaznavi was on his way to break idol of Somnath temple - Lord somnath ! please help ! please save this place!
Nobody will come but yourself to fight evil. Ayappa gave you the brain now it is time to use it. This Puranic mockery of Sanatan Dharm is ruining lives. We have forgotten what is dharma and confused it with religion. WAKE UP!!
@@Barwal7 True bro
We Vedic Santana followers must unite from kashmir to kanyakumari
From dwarka to arunachal
Earlier I used to think in Sabrimala case SC stand is correct as it differentiate, but then after reading and Breaking India and other similar books I realised it's the forces specially missionary, Leftist working against Hindu rituals to destroy it. It should be protected, based on Ayodhya case petition should be filed where Lord Ayappa should file petition for Right to Privacy and Right to the Property.
Let's have a dharmic revolution. It should be from within. Not just by talks and follow holy books, but by action.
Ayyappa swami is considered by many astrologers to be the Lord who wld give protection to the people living in Kali Yuga including Lord Hanuman and Lord Ganesha. We need to give due respect to the Agama sastras and the traditional beliefs followed.
Let's build Dharmic India as it was in pre Mughal era with modernity.
Swamiye Saranam Ayyappa !!!
Jai Shri Ram !!!
Law of land is to protect the traditional cultural heritage values of the very land.
Time to think about drafting indigenous constitution.... rather than holding on to carbon copy of collection of foreign practices.
Thanks a lot to Rajivji. You are creating so much awareness.
In a way we should thank for what has happened. Many in India were hardly aware of these customs and ruled in favour of seculars.
Thank both of you for clarifying on this important matter.
Many people from tamil nada, karnataka, etc walk from their states to pattanamtita kerala BY FOOT the entire way. Without shoes or chapalls. This is the devotion of the people to Sri Ayappan! This cannot be changed to appease marxists.
Gurukula system of education along with science ,mathematics and arts must be introduced ...
JOBISH JOSE oh cmon 🤓😎.. we have tantra vidya peetha for brahmins and the lower casts in north kerala which is still prevalent .. so keep your pseudo point of view away .. and do some research... most of the slokas in vedas are contributed by women ..
Thank you Swamiji and Rajivji for this enlightening us on temple worship in Kerala
Great job done by Rajivji
Good discussion, information , and explanation thanks Nmaskar ....
At t = 9:30, Swamiji makes the point that "devalaya" means devata's house. Rajiv elaborates that Allah does not live in a mosque, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob does not live in a church.
Chithanantha swami is a great sanyasi from Kerala
At t = 12:30 to t = 12:50, Swamiji explains there is a temple where sanyasis are not allowed, there is a temple where the priestess is female.
They took 12 years to ponder, yet did not deign to consult any scholar of the tradition. That was being not uninformed, but predisposed.
Excellent enlightening conversation. Supreme court of India needs to review its judgement.
Good Job Rajiv Ji
Wish one day U interview "Sadguru Jaggi Vasudev"
@@user38494ps he doesn't know culture by books but he know by his experience
@@rajat_music But who knows whether his experience is complete or incomplete about anything?
I thought of not writing in social media unnecessarily...
But this definitely needs a thumbs up...
Great speech sirs...
THATHWAMASI SWAMI SHARANM
Fervently hope the new seven member bench listens to this discussion. It could be that for other nations nurtured by different cultures and faith systems, the imperatives are different. But for us, in order for the Sanatana Dharma to survive, two of our freedoms are paramount: Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Worship Path.
Hindus were always kept various rituals, throughout India ."Unity in diversity "
And Sarath Kumar we must implement our rituals in our day to day life. Whether we are from south or north part of India.
Very informative talk! It's high time to make change/reform in the Indian constitution as per the requirements of the Dharmic traditions which covers Snatan Dharma, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism. Experts and spiritual leaders of all the Dharmas should be consulted to make necessary changes.
इस तरह के वीडियो को लाखों लाइक मिलने चाहिए ।
Rajiv sir, I don't know how to thank you for this great work for the nation.......
I pray for your well-being.
May Shri Bhagwan bless you.
Swamyai Sharanam Ayyappa ,we are means Ayyappa devotees hopefull on # save Sabarimala Vratanustam and Prathista sankalpam in Sabarimala temple rituals ,# verdict
When will janam TV and RSS men stop using the word viswasam
This is the word which became s burden to the Hindu cause
It's a trap into which the Hindus have fallen
In Hinduism the word is sankalpa auspicious mentation
It is used to prevent human mind from having vikalpa inauspicious negative mentation
Pagan people never accept the shit of a word like viswasa belief comes from the Semitic religions
So sankalpas are innumerable
Ayappa sankalpa is such one
In ayappa sankalpa itself devotees have the freedom to have many upasankalpas
Ayappa as the confirmed celibate in yogic bhava is such one we can accept it or reject it
If we do not accept the concept we can go to other sankalpa s
There is no meaning in going to shabarimala after destroying the bhava there in accordance with western political correctness which accepts Semitic monotheism as the default norm in matters of religion
GOD , Sanatana Dharma
Panentheism not to be confused with pantheism.
www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/9/verse/4
th-cam.com/video/OFGFxUoz8Mw/w-d-xo.html
www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/4/verse/6
GOD , Sanatana Dharma
Panentheism,not to be confused with pantheism.
www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/9/verse/4
th-cam.com/video/OFGFxUoz8Mw/w-d-xo.html
www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/4/verse/6
You need to explain your understanding in more detail, including the meaning of technical terms, so that unfamiliar people like me from North India can property grasp your points.
Swamiye Sharanam Aiyappa.🙏
Thank you so much for bringing this informative topic Sir 🙏
It's really a great video to watch and understand the SABRIMALA, it's practices and historical facts.
I know it is too late thinking about it but @rajiv ji can we do something about this? Like in other western countries can we create a petition and ask as many Hindus to sign and pass on to government to bring in few constitutional amendments?
The bhakti ,fervor and dedication of common ordinary citizens is extraordinary. Since the bhaktas are from every caste n group of sanatana dharma.
Interesting views. Thanks.
It's time to free all Hindu temples & administration from government control, following j Sai Deepak!
Pranam Swamiji :)
1950 distroyed sabarimala temple. Rajiv why not ask who did it ???? Why ......
please do more of purva paksha, It really helps us! Thnaks Rajiv Ji.
Thank you rajeev sir🙏
Keep in mind. Sabarimala located Now christin /muslim neighbourhood & all vehicle parking & shops & restrorents & beyond they owned.
My mind stop working. Across the length and breadth of the country: Ladhak to Kanyakumari, Gujarat to Manipur. The story is same: anti-sanatan dharma. All happened after 1947. Didn't know an iota about Sabarimala, Kerala, Christian, Muslims. What was cooking up in the state?
Rajiv Ji please make a debate with TG MOHANDAS who is right wing intellectual
Root problem is why hindu temple is control by government...see new ram Mandir also controlled by government
Ram wants it that way. Otherwise it would not have happened.
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Lord Ram wants his devotees to arise and do our Dharma,negating and identifying the influences and propaganda of Adharmic Cryptochristian jihadis machinery.
Everything the swami said was correct. But our Constitution will not allow this as a temple may not be a govt. place but is a religious place. And religion is equal to everyone accordn to the constitution.
So I think the lawyer should come with something which is more accurate acrdn to the constitution to save this tradition.
That is what the two scholars have discussed herein. The secular court cannot determine the manner of observing the covenant between the deity and his devotees. In his or her residence, a judge can decide whether or not to allow visitors of the opposite gender. This temple is the abode of the deity who shall receive only the devotees who have followed the prescribed austerities, which women of menstruating age cannot observe.
The Court cannot in justice, interpret and enforce the worship practice of a spiritual path in the Sanatana Dharma , which holds that there can be as many paths as there are seekers.
How can a secular (non religious) court/government intervene in a religious worship, especially when there absolutely isnt any activity of Himsa or inhuman practices etc etc.. Thats against Dharma... and a greatest Sin... Why would that rule apply to every mosque or church or practices from other religions etc etc..
The persons who were involved in decision making were not enlightened into the actual traditions of upasana padhyati of a specific diety as enshrined in the Shadhtras
I will visit sabrimala
Swamiji, my grandmother said young women voluntarily stayed away from Ayyappa to honor his wish of Brahmacharya and to repent the actions of his stepmother and Maalikappuram. No truth in it?
Women in Kerala don't go to temples when they menstruate. No temple needs to come up with a new rule to achieve something that is already achieved! Menstruation was picked up because liberals saw the endless possibilities of distortions and rhetoric.
Physical hygiene is distorted into a 'purity' issue. I hope the intellectuals wash up before going out in the public!
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Swamiji missed the point that this issue was fought already in the High Court of Kerala and Judgement denying permission to women of certain age group came in 1992 or so. This practice was followed till the 2018 judgment.
Very important points brought in by guru. Supreme court did conduct the trial unjustly. SC failed demonstrating commonsense. Hope leaders of Hindu tradition will take up appeal on this verdict.
Even males are not allowed to go to the temple without taking their vrita of 41 days and only with the pre-preparation men are asked to go. Needless to repeat the restriction in the age restriction on women as another prescription.
Please stop colonisation of supreme court, Hindu rituals and practice s.Every missionary should confess to that. It is an eye opener
I am also of the view that the part of the constitution or it's application where it is not in coherence with our samskaras and well calibrated paramparas should be gone or atleast amended.
We had so many great advocates eg. J. Saideepak , and so many great thinktanks. BUT WE LOST! ACCPT IT.
Only female staff of judiciary can be restricted entry into certain places.... because one made a complaint which was serious..!
Keep in mind. Sabarimala case . 1st place rised by MR KHAN ( KHAN MARKET ) . HE GIVEN CASE & FILED IN SUPERMCOURT IN ORDER TO ALL AGE GROUPS WOMEN.
I would even have accepted a SC judgement requiring the local state legislative assembly (without any Whip) to clarify the application of the law in this case.
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I am admirer of Hindutva ideology, but I am totally in support of women's entry. People who oppose womens entry in temple , citing tradition, are the same people who said crossing seas or eating beef(even forcibly) will lead to expulsion from Hinduism, leading to ppl converting to Islam.
I will refute every single point.
1) Aiyappa being a brahmachaari - bramhacharya means avoiding marriage or sexual relations or sexual thoughts . It is not about avoiding women. Tell me a single swami/ascetic ever in hinduism, who said I won't meet or bless women?
2. Yes , 41 days vrata. Fair enough. Women can't complete it due to menstrual cycle? So? Tradition also says women during periods can't enter temple. Should we legislate a law to enforce it? Should we have lady guards outside temple who will check if women have periods?
3. What about women who cannot have periods due to medical procedures? For example, my mom had her uterus removen by 45, but she couldn't enter Sabarimala till 50. Isn't it a violation of both constitutional and religious right to bar such people?
4. Does the law ensure all men take 41 day vrata? I know people who do 7-10 days vrata. Some even wear footwear. What will you do in such cases?
5) Vrata is applicable only for people who carry irumudi kettu and enter through padinetaam padi. Vrata is not needed at all for those entering through side door. Why not allow women there?
6) If aiyappa doesn't want to see women, why is women entry allowed at Aryankaavu and achenkovil?
Ultimately, there are many unwritten codes in Hinduism. Like not eating non veg before temple entry, avoiding visit during periods. Iis upto people to follow it. No 3rd person or state should have rights to dictate what to do.
People who still blindly oppose womens entry, please wake up. Preventing women from entering temple won't save hinduism.
And, no, I am not a communist, and I voted for BJP in 2019. So don't call me communist and all.
It is not for you or me or the secular state to decide on changing the age old tradition. It is the faith of the devotees that the terms of the covenant had been fixed by Swamy Ayyappa himself. There is the oft-quoted E. I. Company surveyors' report which attested that two hundred years back, the rule was the same that small girls and old women made the pilgrimage, but not women of menstruating age. Every deity can have a unique persona and individual preferences. Clearly, Ayyappa wanted that his vratha - dhari devotees, who were otherwise householders ,not be distracted by the presence of young women during their visit.
They cited belief not just tradition. Belief is that in this particular temple ayaapa is practicing brahmcharya. There are other Ayappa temples which women can visit if they want to worship him. I don't see the problem. It's not a feminist issue at all.
@@thrinethran2885 then why were women allowed during 1970s and 1980s. A film song was shot there, i heard.
@@thehawkseye3412 what is brahmacharya? It means avoiding sexual thoughts,relations,activities. It doesn't mean avoiding women? And do you have any proof that aiyappa didn't want to see women ? Any malayalam texts, records?
@@thrinethran2885 devotees in 1930s said pulayas and ezhavas should not enter any temple. But the secular state had to intervene back then.
Our SC n Administration come on where
*the professionalism*
Why dont they fight it again tell SC about technicality in Sabrimala case...
The deities in the temples are NOT merely stone structures.. They are LIVE God!!... Thats the Bhava and such is the reception of divine energy and experience to the pure devotees who enter the temple premises and take Dharshan of the Lord in the temples.. and those with immense faith and realization..
Supreme court has time to interfere in the affairs of one temple in one corner of india that has some ritual that they deem unequal, when millions of cases urgent cases are pending for decades.they hv reduced the dignity of the institution and made the judicial system a cruel joke
Supreme court judges are not above Hinduism.
Sir translate all the video in Hindi.
Identity crisis is the root cause of World, and everything there of. If a person, society loses identity, she or they are bound to be invaded & "transformed" (not by self but by others) for the next in line. This is death principle. Thus immortality is not physical but a Continuity beyond mortal form (Transcending the Form by Self). Hindu is not a Self transformed culture. Sanatana is Self Transforming culture. So, to identify with the DNA is the way out. It's not going back, but forward - Transform in to the New world! Free DNA (Temples), Free RNA (Sanyasis - promote authentic Thinkers by support), Free Heart (Experience of Sanatana / the Immortal & Eternal)...
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In my view, Sabarimala case was not correctly argued. Let us consider a few things :
1. There are temples where feminine dimensions are invoked. In such temples entry of biological males is restricted. Males are not supposed to enter the sanctum of Bhairavi Temples.
2. Aghama of Sabarimala is said to be not conducive for women of reproductive age. However, such ill effects depend upon several factors including the physical state (like time of menstrual cycle), length of exposure to such Aghamas and so on. So, although not conducive, still one can argue that women can still enter.
3. However, the most important point that was omitted during argument in SC was the aim of building this temple. There are 6 Ayappan temples and only the Ayappan temple of Sabarimala restricts entry of women of reproductive age. Here the deity is a Naistika Brahmachari (eternal Brahmachari). Ayappan does not care about women. Then why is the house rule restricting entry of women of reproductive age? It is because Ayappan teaches his devotees Brahmacharya. Men are under powerful control of male hormones. Our forefathers knew that it is extremely powerful as it ensures continuum of the species. However, for a good society, a good control over male hormones is also needed. That allows men to experience the subtle. So, through 41 days of rituals, the men practice a better control over sex hormones and Ayappan wants it to be without any distraction. It is to be appreciated here that all men don't have equal levels of control over sexuality. So, the house rule is there to allow men that space for their own enhancement as well as for a better society. So, this is not about gender discrimination as 99% of the temples allow both genders while 1% of the temples restrict either the entry of men or women in accordance with specific purposes.
4. Menstruation is not the issue as we all recognize that we are born because our mothers have / had menstrual cycles. So, menstruation is worshipped in Kamakhya temple of Assam. Hindus do not shun from recognizing that we have a body and that body has biological needs. But we also understand that it should be at the periphery and should not be our front end. That makes the difference between human and other animals. we search for deeper dimensions of life. That is why in many temples the outside walls have erotic sculptures. You see and acknowledge it as a peripheral issue and rise beyond it and enter the temple to search for deeper dimensions. That is why, there are no erotic sculptures inside.
all Indian non hindu brothers & sisters must come to mother religion
What for ? Into which caste they will be accomadated? bhramins? kshatriyas? or vaisyas? One simply cannot become a hindu on a fine morning, a caste attachment has to be there,without caste it is impossible to be a hindu.Most likely option is lower castes( avarnas), so that, they too can be socialy,politically, economically and culturally discriminated for thousands of years?
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Has anyone considered the fact that Lord Aiyappa might have changed His mind? Otherwise how will He allow the Honourable Supreme Court to pass such a judgement? Maybe we are all in defiance of Lord Aiyappa's present day wishes.
There is a "Devsprashna " for that .(What if the Ayyappa spoke through the Indu malhothras verdict ?)
Abhilash Nambiar Lol! Even in that case he would most probably allow his devotees who are in millions vs these 5 judges. This is a typical slave mentality of a pacifist colonized mind, thinking afterall there are so many good results of invasion and being colony. Mugals brought tandoori chicken and British created railways and bridges for us.
1. Supreme court are not the authority to decide that
2. Lord Ayyapa (Ram, Krishna, or or any of the Avataars of Hinduism) isn't your so called 'All-Powerful' sky-dictator in the Abrahamic mould. They have all been people who lived in the world, and subject to the laws of Karma (Causality). They are worshipped as Avataaras as they were 'realized' beings (of course, with colourful narrative spun around their lives as 'ithihaasas')
Abhilash etta ~ Well, You are basically asking an incorrect question, almost akin to 'Who says earth is moving around the sun?' or 'Why not consider earth is flat for moment?' I highly recommend that you read the book " Breaking India " first, which is a culmination of 5 years of exhaustive, painstaking research that details the first ever, so called, 'entry' of christianity in to Dakshina Bharat, especially Kerala & Tamizh Nadu & how the jesuits gradually & steadily came up with a long-term strategy, devised multi-pronged, multi-layered, capricious plans of exploiting the fault-lines of our Samskriti and then use them as means to bring in the gospel to the people through backdoor. I used think much like you do, but that book, helped me connect the dots, shattered the false foundation that I stood on all these years & completely changed my life. So, it is my humble request that you pick up that book, read it from the beginning to the very end. And of course, THEN you're well placed to challenge the logic of that book & perhaps even this video. Nanni! :)
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Ithihasas of Dharma Avatars of Lord Vishnu ,Rama and Krishna, teaches the difference between Karma and Dharma, and the path to Moksha, liberation from bondage to Maya.
Saanathana Dharma always teaches self discipline. So let who ever say whatever. If we Hindus believe and self impose a regulation of women who are of mesturating age not to enter the temple, who can do what. Also based on the fact that Swami Ayyappa is living in the temple Just like Ram Lulla in case of Ayodhya why not file an appeal in Supreme court again. I think Dr Swamy and his team are right people to really think on these lines technically.
Yaaaaay namaste !!!
Strictly no conversions in India of the innocent Hindus, with money/media power, That shall stop immediately...
Fundamental error is to group all as "Abrahamic Faiths". In the Catholic and Syro-Malabar Orthodox churches there is tabernacle where God lives. That's why there is red light or candle perpetually lit.. This is under the Latin and Eastern rites churches where transubstantiation takes place during the Eucharistic prayers. Rajiv Malhotra in his younger days should have visited Our Lady of Vailankanni Basilica near Nagapattnam where you would have come to know this as a true fact of holiness and divine nature. Where the Holy Eucharistic is fully exposed in a monstrance, people required to kneel and bow in respect. Otherwise Eucharistic kept in the tabernacle with a red light. Sign that Lord Jesus lives. Rajiv's analysis of a mosque and other churches where there are no such tabernacles he is right. He also needs to be careful and respect the tabernacle of a Jewish Synagogue if any left in India. There might be one in Mumbai. To be checked. Being respectful is a double edge sword. It would be wrong for Rajiv to be judge and jury at the same time.
Facts can be presented partially in a manner to construct a narrative suited to a certain party. I am pasting a section from a Hindu newspaper report on Sabarimala. You can decide what is tradition and what is not
"There was virtually no restriction on women’s entry until the Kerala High Court upheld in 1991 the restriction of women aged between 10 and 50 into the temple. It said that this was in accordance with a usage from “time immemorial”. The court observed that women would be unable to do penance for 41 days due to menstruation. The ban was also based on the belief that Lord Ayyappa, a celibate, would not approve of young women flocking to Sabarimala. There is neither ritual sanctity nor any scientific justification for this stipulation. For the tribal people, menstruation was considered a symbol of fertility. Women and children went to the temple till the sixties. Archival records also show that young, upper-caste women from the Travancore region entered the temple till the eighties. While it is true that they abstained from entering holy places during menstruation, it is equally true that most male pilgrims today are least aware of the tradition of observing penance for 41 days. Many hardly observe the restrictions on meat, alcohol and sex. So, why are traditional observances binding for women alone?"
Yes it is true that there are massive onslaughts on the Dharmic traditions all over India by evangelist & proselytizer people with the great amount money from the Western & Arab countries
Hmm so we can now start arguing about why women are not allowed into mosques or women canno become popes?
I wonder why as a religion only hinduism is always subject to discussion and as far a discussion goes its great if there is a desire to learn
But the discussion regarding hinduism and hindus always looks to degrade and wantedly disrespect age old logical and belief based customs and rituals
Ignorant judges on a matter of specific practice have erred in their judgement! Unfortunate that they did not take humility to allow people with knowledge in the matter to deliberate the intricacies of these rituals specific to a temple! So the verdict was badly advised!
Kerala is southern Kashmir ( in religious violence)
That women from bjp do u know tat
Call Sai J Deepak
Diety of aaseevagam
These SWAMIJI do not have complete understanding of how blind beliefs like ISLAM and Christianity looks at MURTHI of HINDU God. They think the MURTHI as IDOL - a mere stone !!!!!!!!!!!!
But in Hindu philosophy it is totally different. So why do these SWAMIJIS refer them as IDOLS instead of describing them in their original SANSKRIT term MURTHI ? In this way you are already playing into their narration .
Surely Aiyapa will not tolerate the new Hindu extremist acts.
But rajiv dir don't u think these Orthodox things based on some illogical , irrational believes have to evolve according to the time?? This is not the real hinduism.. the real hindu philosophy is very democratic ,very rational, very logical. Please adapt the actual rational philosophies of our upanishads.. otherwise hinduism won't need outsiders to extinct.
Let us stop beating around the bush. It is time somebody openly said that the king (in this case the judges of the apex court) are naked. The 2018 verdict by the bench of the apex court was unconstitutional being violative of article 26 of the Constitution (Article 26 in The Constitution Of India 1949 26. Freedom to manage religious affairs Subject to public order, morality and health, every religious denomination or any section thereof shall have the right (a) to establish and maintain institutions for religious and charitable purposes;). If the court had to interfere with religious practices and faith based on gender equality it had to correct the bias in article 25(2)(b) (providing for social welfare and reform or the throwing open of Hindu religious institutions of a public character to all classes and sections of Hindus). Worse, it was also improper in that it was a review of another verdict by a five member bench of the same court more than a decade earlier and which had attained finality due to it not being contested then.
For a more elaborate evaluation of the performance of our courts, especially in the context of the Sabarimala verdict, please read my articles ‘Nero fiddled while Rome burnt’, 4 November 2018 at www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=4849 and 'Our constitutional fault lines', 23 November 2018 at vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=4868
The women who believe in God would automatically abide and respect the traditions of sabrimala..
The women and men who think that the tradition is somewhat against the new laws of FEMINISM are simply not religious person..They want to put a statement out there in the world landscape to show their empowered status even though some of it is degrading to their own culture and tradition and what makes them indian.....This is not empowerment this is just fascism camouflaged as secularism and gender equality...This whole thing is BS..It's like going to zoolo or Maori tribe in Africa and telling them that since the world has so much developed that now you people should also change your primitive ways of living as it offend our civilizational sophistication....
Suprem court is not court of god
Shabarimala was a Buddhist temple.Many prominent Hindu temples in Kerala were once Buddhist or Jain places of worship or gathering. ... You can still see many deities in temples in Kerala are altered versions of Buddha. Look at the hand gesture of Sabarimala Ayyappa for example
Sabarumala was not a buddhist temple
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And you walk upside down with your brain in your knees 👎
Even if you are correct, the Buddhists have no concept that puja is wrong, rituals are wrong, itihasa-purana is wrong and so on. In fact, they themselves like Ramayana, they do dhyana etc.
Stop regurgitating what sunil ilayidam chews and spits into Kerala youth's mouth. think for yourself. even if Buddhism/Jainism has any ties to the temple at all, what is its relevance now? did you know 'your' Buddhist' temple was burned down in the '50s and the current temple was newly built?
Women Today : I want to go to sabarimala because men are going there to get the darshan of swami.
Next day : Now I want to go to men's toilet also. Because men go there. I want to have a darshan of........... in men's toilet. If I can't enter men's toilet for darshan, it's gender bias.It's my constitutional right.
It's clear now malhotra sir haven't understood a single word of hinduism.u don't know nothing about our Sanatan dharm.u r another golwalker
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